Turin is like: ”Aw, man! Why couldn’t I get a talking dog? All I got was this talking sword… It’s really mean too.”

@tolkienuntangled

2 жыл бұрын

This made me laugh out loud!

@mlebrooks

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

@magiv4205

2 жыл бұрын

Turin deserved so much better, the least Tolkien could've done is give him a nice, talking dog.

@seanhartel5362

2 жыл бұрын

Turin got Beleg. Poor Beleg 😢

@patrickgrounds2157

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

I love that you bring up Maedhros' perspective in all of this too! How Celegorm & Curufin just assume he's going to welcome them and protect them, even though they've totally just undermined him in the long run. It's not easy being the big brother in that family...

@razatronidiotics9430

Жыл бұрын

Well Maedhros was trying to make allies and well killing, kidnapping, and usurpation are not honorable things to do

I used to think it was a shame that Amazon didn’t have the rights to the first age so they could explore these stories. After watching the rings of power I’m now thankful these stories are protected for the near future.

The other thing about Orodreth's decision not to have Celegorm and Curufin killed is sheer pragmatism. It's impossible that this could happen and their brothers not find out about it. And then, for all that it might have been "right" to have them killed, it would have led to Nargothrond being attacked by the five remaining sons and their forces, and potentially the deaths of everyone in Nargothrond.

@Tinseltownintherain-zd7ep

Жыл бұрын

I totally agree. The damage would be dire to relations the all the Elven race not just the followers of The Sons Of Feanor and the Noldor and damage relations with Maedhros who is guarding the East lest even be an Elven civil war to which Morgoth would jump for joy and press a major victory from it. Orodreth is underrated as a leader. He is a far more just and clever reluctant ruler than we initially realise when you read into the story more and especially, as you say, his pragmatism, wisdom and compassion in sparing Celegorm and Curufin.

Just finished The Silmarillion and today I will start The Children Of Hurin. I've also decided to name my home and property Alqualonde.

@tolkienuntangled

2 жыл бұрын

So cool that you'll live in Alqualondë!!

@CaveMan72

2 жыл бұрын

@@tolkienuntangled thanks for reminding me where the accent went, over the e not the o

@tolkienuntangled

2 жыл бұрын

@@CaveMan72 enjoy your read through of Children of Hurin!

@mlebrooks

2 жыл бұрын

Congratulations!

@jpduffy2003

2 жыл бұрын

I'm jealous. I'd love to be reading Tolkein for the first time again. Man, you are in for an awesome treat as you discover Middle Earth.

Your videos are one of the only channels I watch until the very end. The video's not over until "Nevía mellonin."

I'm so glad that I've found your channel! If you were been my history teacher I would have loved history! You're sooo good in explaining in passion and logic! Greetings from germany! 💜💙💚💛🧡❤

@tolkienuntangled

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I'm really glad you enjoy the channel.

That canto from the Lay of Laethian hits even harder when you think back to RD’s first video in this series: Tolkien *was* Beren, just as Edith *was* Luthien. In a way, everything that Beren says/sings/feels about Luthien likely closely mirrored John’s feelings for Edith. On a completely different note, whatever happened to “David of Many Colors”? Was he just Rainbow Dave’s evil twin?

@tolkienuntangled

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, that was my evil twin. We don't talk about David of Many Colours.

@mlebrooks

2 жыл бұрын

@@tolkienuntangled lol

Beren and Luthien is almost too wonderful of a story. Just perfect beautiful people mixed with melancholy and the power of hope, love, friendship. Just as good to me as any of the Greek myths or what have you. Also there's an awesome giant badass talking hound that fights an evil angel in the form of a werewolf. Like dude, nice.

Just wanted to say I'm now 3/4 through "The Silmarillion" and will be done with it over the weekend. Why? These videos. You, sir. The enjoyment I found in the stories growing up has been rekindled and I am enjoying it more than ever. I've always struggled in the early bits of "The Silmarillion" and never finished. Thanks to your love and scholarship of the material I'll finally enjoy it to the end though. Just wanted to say "thanks" again, and comment on how you've helped.

@tolkienuntangled

2 жыл бұрын

That makes me so happy! I'm really glad you're enjoying your re-read. Have a great weekend finishing the story!

*Tolkien Untangled's* channel is full of wonderfully retold narrative summary but this tale of Beren and Lúthien is of surpassing quality and enthralment.

I am very much a dog person and you were not wrong about this video haha. Huan is such an awesome character and I wish that I had a giant hound like him. I will say that in the art depictions of the video I really preferred the Irish Wolfhound depiction of him more than the Dire Wolf one it feels more authentic and that’s probably what Tolkien envisioned. When he wrote of a giant hound. Awesome video as usual my good sir!

@tolkienuntangled

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. Irish wolfhound is definitely how I imagine Huan.

Your pronunciation is impeccable and you are a fine storyteller.

This has GOT to be the most beautiful love story in all fantasy!

Knowing Huan's doom is making this listening soo..horror-movie-like. I jump at the description of every being entering the scene.. could this be the mighty wolf? Is it Morgoth himself?? For the first time I am happy I don't know the story of Beren and Luthien and get to learn of it like this!! Thanks RD! As always, soo appreciate your videos. ❤

Your delivery and callbacks are amazing. Thank you for these videos

Who else got Chewy ads on this one? 😸 Huan is such a good boy! Way to make those words count.

Another great video! Just wanted to thank you. The last few weeks have been horrible and I'm constantly in a state of panic but Friday nights I listen to your videos and I'm able to relax a bit. It's been really impactful in my life so I'm very grateful.

like how Tolkien shows the descent of Melchor to Morgoth through Celegorm and Curufin. Their paths Mirror Morgoths . Because pride and shame is what distorted Morgoth. He also turned on the woman he supposedly love among the gods and goddesses I believed he like the goddess of the stars

Excellent work Mellon!! Very informative and interesting.(as usual)...thanks for letting all unfamiliar with Huan know just how much of a good Boi he is..

I love listening to your videos. They always make my Friday’s. Keep up the awesome work.

Absolutely loving these videos. I eagerly await the drive home from work every Friday morning because I know there is another video.

Celegorm and Curufin spoke ill of Finrod's decision to help Beren and they were absolutelly right. Finrod as a king had to be more responsible than to go into suicide mission because Beren had to impress Thingol with a Silmaril. When you think rationally, everything they said was correct and Finrod's premature death led to the fall of Nargothrond, because Orodreth was simply not suitable to be the king. If sons of Feanor, who are obliged by the Oath to look for Silmarils, tell you it's not the right moment to challenge Morgoth, then you should listen.

Thanks for another AWESOME video! Especially now, when fears of the new series and all they seem to have twisted and wronged in Tolkiens lore is all around…. There is still Rainbow Dave!! True fans can’t be twisted! Thanks!!

You do a great job Listening to you l understand the sillmarillian so much better.I tried to memorize the lineage of the noldor elves once. Forget about it. And yor accent is perfect for discussing Tolkien. Keep it up Thanks

I knew there was something missing in my life and it was this channel. Good thing I found this. Thanks Rainbow Dave! 🤘

Excellent addition to this series. The perfect perk my Monday needed. Thank you for your commitment to the story and excellence in its telling.

Hey many colored Dave. Once again an excellent job. What an epic tale. The love of Beren and Luthien. It adds so much depth, knowing all the rest of Tolkein's writings. So much depth to my favorite books of all time. I grew up reading them (a little before you... he he) and have read and re-read them. So to have you make these available so that I can understand the books now as I read them, is such a gift! Thanks again! Your a legend!!! Cheers mate!!!

@tolkienuntangled

2 жыл бұрын

I'm so glad you enjoy the videos!

Your channel has become Quintessential Tolkien reading for me. Thank you

Happy Friday, Rainbow Dave! Stay Groovy 🤟

Nice! An epic telling of epic deeds! You do the Good Professor's best tale justice in this video! ❤👍

You are very good at explaining, I really enjoy it. Thank you.

O MY GODDDD that was AWESOMMMME!!! Thanx Rainbow Dave!!! ❤💛💚💙💜 ps - I’m borrowing “sick burn” that was rad af 😅 don’t worry I’ll give you credit

Excellent video once again, RD! I can't wait for the next one!

11:10 it should also be noted that elven realms do not seem to use the Death Penalty. The highest punishment possible in Doriath, for example, is exile: that’s the sentence passed on Túrin when he is believed to have committed *murder*. And what Celegorm and Curufin did wasn’t anywhere near that bad: they were not in any way responsible for Finrod’s death after all. The mission was suicide, and it would still have been suicide if the Fëanorians had been with him. Finrod goes on the mission precisely *because* it is a suicide mission. Finrod knows better than anyone how binding oaths are. So if he is swearing “aid in every need”, he’s definitely a bit done with life. 19:10 well *Beren* killing Curufin wouldn’t be kinslaying technically. They are not technically related yet after all.

I'm a dog person who is allergic to dogs. I still think they are wonderful.

Of all the Tolkien commentators, Rainbow Dave, you are most definitely my favourite, stay groovy.

I love the common portrayal of Huan as an *enormous* Irish wolfhound. Fitting in that they are famous for having eradicated every last wolf from Ireland long ago.

Much love, Dave!

I'm real confused about something and I'm hoping someone here can help. I went back and listened to this a few times but I feel like I still must be missing something… So these are the details I have gathered. Huan goes against Celegorm's plan and frees Luthien, then helps her save Beren, and in the process they free a bunch of prisoners. Huan then brings the prisoners from the island back with him, and the stories they tell when they arrive result in Celegorm and his brother getting in a lot of trouble and being banished, right? well... EVERYTHING we've learned about Celegorm up until this point says that he's a scummy, conniving, spiteful, opportunistic and overall terrible guy. He doesn't strike me as the type to be very forgiving at all. While you say "it might sound strange" for Huan to wanna go back to his master out of loyalty, what has me so puzzled is: After all the damage Huan's actions caused them, why the hell would someone like Celegorm take him back in the first place? Just feels very bizarre, but maybe I'm missing some details.

Big thanks to rainbow Dave, learning so much from the channel could listen all day!

"that no other character has ever done or will ever do again"... Eönwë would like to know your location

@tolkienuntangled

2 жыл бұрын

Haha, fair enough. Don't want to mess with Eönwë

@seanhartel5362

2 жыл бұрын

True! But Eonwë didn’t have to be sneaky in wresting a Silmaril from Morgoth’s crown. He had the host of the Valar with him to rip the roof off of Angband and Tulkas was there waiting with Angainor. Epic and awesome to be sure, but not the same feat as a mere mortal and an elf maiden using enchantment and stealth, together, alone in the very depths of hell.

Another Spectacular Untangling of Tolkien 🔥

Another fantastic video!

I wonder why Celegorm and Curufin didn't head straight east along the andram, then head north through estolad, past Nan elmoth and up to Himring that way? They could have avoided the dangers of Thingol's marches and the Nan Dungortheb entirely. They wouldn't have run into Beren and Luthien, though, so maybe Tolkien wanted them to go straight north so they didn't fall so quickly out of the story and Beren could acquire Angrist, which he needed in order to cut the silmaril free.

Huan actually might be my favorite character. He's by far the bestest boi in the series. So, my wife and I are 7 months pregnant. She's Hungarian and our kids all have traditional Hungarian names and I get to pick the middle name. Thinking this one might get a Tolkien namesake and Huan is on the list. What do you think of the name Atilla Huan and last name starts with C?

@carltuckerson7718

2 жыл бұрын

Wife's first instinct was it sounded like Juan. Just FYI. Most people would probably pronounce Huan as Juan, guaranteed. Nothing against Juan, just not the point.

@tolkienuntangled

2 жыл бұрын

Huan is a great name! Although you might be right about people pronouncing it Juan. I often thought that if I had a daughter I might call her Elanor, like Sam's first child. Or you could choose a name from Rohan, as they're actual real world Anglo Saxon names.

@crhu319

2 жыл бұрын

Atilla 'the' Huan. Perfect.

@chrisschmalhofer4348

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve a friend whose two daughters are Eowyn and Alora (from ‘Willow’)

@carltuckerson7718

2 жыл бұрын

I have Anglo Saxon lineage on my side from the Arden family around Bromwich. Perhaps Rohan is where I ought to look! Thanks for the feedback!

OMG this 2 elves could have join Melkor and outranked Sauron!

In the manuscript of the Lay of Leithian Tolkien actually at some point wrote down the name athelas next to the line of Huan bringing the healing herb. Though Christopher notes that it would contradict his later writings which say that the Numenoreans were the first to bring athelas to Middle-Earth.

this is the best playlist ever

Curufin looks like Kiko Loureiro and I can't unsee it.

Finally 😀 thanks Dave

Nice work dude

When even the bestest doggo is sick enough of your shit that he decides to speak. Also can't help but think Luthien enjoyed scaring her fiance half to death with her monsterous disguise for the same reason.

Hi! Great video again! I couldn't find any video about Túrin Turambar, is it something you plan to do someday? Thanks a lot, and keep up the great job 😜

@tolkienuntangled

2 жыл бұрын

I've not talked about Turin yet, but I definitely will in the relatively near future. I want to go through the entire First Age chronologically, so when I'm finished with Beren and Luthien I'll do a shorter playlist about the Fifth Battle, and then that will set up a whole series on the Children of Hurin. After that I'll do playlists on the Silmaril of Doriath, the Fall of Gondolin, and finally the War of Wrath.

@seanhartel5362

2 жыл бұрын

@@tolkienuntangled Hi Rainbow Dave! Speaking of going through the Silmarillion chronologically: do you plan on covering Of Maeglin when you reach The Fall of Gondolin? You could do it as kind of a prologue before Tuor’s journeys. However, Maeglin is at the Nirnaeth and fights valiantly and scorns at Huor when they cover his rearguard along with Glorfindel and Ecthelion. Maybe you could mention Húrin and Huor in Gondolin as well as Maeglin as a prologue to Unnumbered Tears as another option. I think that might work better, as it will give more significance to their characters. Just food for thought. Great job on all the videos!

Im all riled up from these two brothers!! This story has my heart beating! They are aweful!!!!! Infuriating is the very word to describe this! Im infuriated at them. I cant believe how evil they are!

I need the next episode aSAp! lol

Right on time🙏🏿

The story of Luthien and Beren need their own movie/show. Just about this quest.

Best channel! 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷

Pretty obvious I'm goin to love this

And this friends is why the Silmarillion is better than Lord of the Rings because every magical and wondrous and evil thing seen in LOTR, all of this is on steroids in the Silmarillion: a giant talking hound who can kill pretty much any enemy? Check. A demonic werewolf which devours all? Check. A beautiful maiden who with singing and spells can destroy fortresses and put the great dark lord to sleep? Check. An angelic elf who ventures into a literal hellish underworld? Check.

Awesome

11:23 - I have noticed that many young "Reactors" to Peter Jacksons "Two Towers" film always berate Aragorn's plea to King Theoden NOT to kill Grima in a similar fashion as you describe here.

Thanks!

@ThunderhawkVeronicaLazerwolf

Жыл бұрын

You're a consistent mind blower, sir!

Hey Dave, what parts of the silmarillion do you think are least suited to be adapted to screen?

@seanhartel5362

2 жыл бұрын

How about all of it. Leave it to our imaginations. I think the only way to adapt it would be animation. Some works are just too epically beautiful and majestic to be faked on screen.

@wrathandflame3987

2 жыл бұрын

@@seanhartel5362 I mean how about an entire show running multiple seasons using the same animations as Castlevania? Now THAT would be next level of epic!

What does your first/ last sentence mean?

@tolkienuntangled

2 жыл бұрын

'Mae g'ovannen mellyn nin a meneg suilaid' means 'well met my friends and a thousand greetings'. And 'navaer mellyn nin' means farewell my friends'.

@elirinamk2051

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much and "meneg suilaid"! 💜💙💚💛🧡❤

Lol that beginning!

Love is so sweet 💕

Man, I really want to hate Celegorm and Curufin with every single fibre of my being for being the worst of the worst...and, don't get me wrong, I still do hate them a lot. But why'd they have to have such awesome names and be handsome, it makes it harder to be 100% hating. Is 99% hatred and loathing good enough dedication? 😂

Tolkien had a story to create and if the two had gone off together and lived happily ever after there would not have been much of a story. Realistically going off together would have been the smart thing to do. So she would not have been a great elfin queen! They would have had peace. Luthien’s father was wrong to demand such a prize as a price for his daughter. It was only done to get rid of Beren. There was nothing honorable about it. As it turned out they did not really succeed in their plan so overall staying together in some other land would have been better and the poor puppy would not have had to die either. Sometimes I think that Tolkien went too far in creating sad circumstances in his stories….like how Aragon stubbornly decides to die and leave everyone before he ‘loses his wits’ (kind of prideful, which he had never been before) and Arwen, who has a son and daughters and most likely grandchildren, leaves them all to die alone in the forest of a broken heart. That was hard. I guess that is what writers do but to me it is not logical.

Could you explain what exactly Sauron's eye is? Is it a literal eyeball, is it metaphorical, or does he sometimes manifest himself as such for the purposes of searching for the One Ring?

@tolkienuntangled

2 жыл бұрын

It's not a flaming eye like in the movies. In the books, Sauron has a physical form that's described as having 'four fingers on his black hand', and an ever-searching eye. So I imagine the eye of Sauron is his literal eye. The only times we see it in the books are when Frodo looks into the mirror of Galadriel, and when he sits upon the seat of sight. So I think it's less that Sauron's eye is looking at him, and more that Frodo is looking at Sauron from afar, and the thing he focuses on is the the Dark Lord's eye.

@catfinity8799

2 жыл бұрын

@@tolkienuntangled So it's just referring to Sauron's piercing gaze (augmented by his Palantir), coming from a (relatively) normal eyeball?

@tolkienuntangled

2 жыл бұрын

@@catfinity8799 yeah, that's how I imagine it. He certainly isn't a giant flaming eyeball on top of Barad-dur.

Luthien is the best character Tolkien wrote for the First Age. Gollum is the best in the Third Age.

@skatemetrix

2 жыл бұрын

It's got to go to Feanor for his genius, his madness and his insane fall from paradise to hell. And also the fact that Feanor may be simultaneously the best and worst thing to ever happen to the peoples of Middle Earth.

@blackwolf4653

2 жыл бұрын

@@skatemetrix is it true that Feanor was the strongest Elf ever?

@skatemetrix

2 жыл бұрын

@@blackwolf4653 Is Feanor the strongest? Easily in the top ten, he did take on several Balrogs for a long time before being defeated which is crazy! But the greatest in terms of ability and the things he created? Absolutely. He is number one and the most gifted of all of Illuvatar's Children- for only Feanor captured the Light of the Two Trees and created the silmarils.

@krozas5187

2 жыл бұрын

@@skatemetrix I like Luthien, but I have to agree with you. For me Feanor is one of the best -if not the best- and complex Tolkien's character. And definitely my favorite.

@seanhartel5362

2 жыл бұрын

Túrin Turambar is the best first age character that Tolkien ever wrote. He is the by far the most fleshed out. Morally complex, admirable, determined, ambiguous, tragic. Feanor and Thingol are also great characters as well as Finrod of course. Maedhros is as well. The only thing that separates Túrin from those other characters, is the amount of time and depth that we get to read about him. He’s probably not my favorite character, but is one of the greatest characters in Arda. Master of fate, by fate mastered. Brilliant

I have no idea why or how but I went and checked out the barcel read it the other day and somehow on band I've never been on it before I've been on Reddit but it was the first time checking out the Barstool Reddit and I'm band from comments

"...in his hand." Dont forget... 😂

He didn’t have to kill his cousins, just jail them. Letting them go free was idiotic

0:22 Is it just me, or does Luthien look a whole lot like Megan Fox in that picture?

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

that is to be in love, on does a.t., a,t., for the beloved person

Why is Celegorm so often depicted as blond? Of all of the Noldorin princes only those of Finarfins line had golden hair. He is referred to as Celegorm the fair because of his beauty. Just as Luthien is referred to as "the fair".

I always thought they just kinda skinned the vampire and the werewolf and wore their skin as a disguise

Eöl the Dark elf should also go on the list of Tolkien's worst elven characters. Eöl has xenophic hatred of the Noldor, raped and forced Aredhel (Turgon's sister) to marry him against her will, forbid Aredhel and Maeglin from going to Gondolin or and having association with The Noldor and murdered Aredhel with a dagger while trying to kill his son, Maeglin at Gondolin.

@chanterelle483

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, Noldorin characters in the story are also pretty xenophobic towards Ëol. And Elves would supposedly die if they were raped which would mean that his relationship with Aredhel was consensual. But yes, Ëol is pretty creepy character.

In the art by sara, Luthien looks like mila kunis

wasnt Huan a maia?

@tolkienuntangled

2 жыл бұрын

We're never told exactly what Huan was.

@chrisschmalhofer4348

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t think it’s impossible that Huan was a Maiar in service to Orome. It would certainly offer a bit of explanation how he was able to throw down Sauron as a werewolf.

@seanhartel5362

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisschmalhofer4348 I’m pretty sure Lassie could throw down werewolf form Sauron. Combat wasn’t his strong suit 😂

@evenstar1608

2 жыл бұрын

@@seanhartel5362 lol.

Orodreth was Finrod's nephew, no? So hard to keep it all straight.

@tolkienuntangled

Жыл бұрын

In some versions, yes. In other versions he was Finrod's younger brother.

and Beren said to Curufin: "and now i take your knife and use it to get some of those fancy stones your father made ;P" PS: I know you said curufin is no coward but it seems very cowardly to me to shoot an arrow at a woman, who just saved his life. and all of that just because he is acting like some cranky boy, that does not get the sweets that he wants in the supermarket.

Dog! Dog! It's a dog! Dog! Dog! Dog! Doggy! Dog! Dog! Doggo! It's a doggy!

Huan is such a good booiiiiii

@tolkienuntangled

Жыл бұрын

He is the best boi!

“Frodo had a Sam and Beren had a Lúthien.” Where’s the difference? I don’t see it. Seriously, people who ship Frodo and Sam are not making stuff up. We don’t ship it because “they’re cute” or they’re “so soft with each other.” We don’t ship it because “they’re close, so they must be gay.” We ship it because their direct parallels to Beren and Lúthien are absolutely undeniable. Whether Tolkien intended it or not, it’s still an objective fact that Frodo and Sam follow an almost identical path to that of another pair, who were lovers.

So Beren stalked her for 3/4 of a year

When a Vido about how Tolkien wrong really god female characters

@crhu319

2 жыл бұрын

He did, just not in The Hobbit or LOTR.

Huon carried this team hard

I forgot to mention this back when I initially watched this series. I think it could be a coincidence although Tolkien was a linguist so... In Romanian "cur" is a more foul term for... "arse" and "curu" would translate as "the arse" so I found it very funny that a character who's a total arsehole got that name 😅

@tolkienuntangled

2 жыл бұрын

That's fascinating! Thanks for sharing 😂

@alex.scaraoschi

2 жыл бұрын

@@tolkienuntangled "fund" (bottom) as in Felagund but with an F instead of a G, as in the way you've been pronouncing Finrod's name as of lately is the more polite form of "arse" 😁 So back when I heard the name Fundin it made me chuckle a bit 😇

Orodreth could have imprisoned them instead.

I absolutely do not like Huan the hound from Valinor. What kind of dog betrays his master? A bad dog. I'm not a Celegorm fan at all, but it's just weird. I'd prefer a dog who is loyal to me till death, not a talking beast who makes judgment calls every now and then and turns against me.

Ugh, these two again. Can we skip ahead already to the part where they get their comeuppance at last?

Hopefully Tolkiens family lets someone adapt the Beren Luthien story for a movie or limited series. Sadly after the hobbit and the Amazon debacle that’s extremely unlikely