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@himetsu7594

Жыл бұрын

I wish you'd make video about Stardoll

@LemonMuffinZzZz

Жыл бұрын

Hi I really like ur makeup!

@oofbwah2544

Жыл бұрын

Would love a makeup tutorial✨️

@itzzzzyor_boi_staticTV

Жыл бұрын

Izzzyyyyyyyyy !!!!!!!!!

@bathwater3243

Жыл бұрын

I could’ve used this a week ago! The case I ordered from there just came in yesterday T.T

I love how fandoms go from "innocently making Mary sues" to "WE HATE MARY SUES!!" to "awww Mary sues are so nostalgic we love them"

@wolfynerd14

11 ай бұрын

Plot twist: I was a hater at some point, yet still clung to a rainbow gem connected to god powers. Yes, I made it up for my originalish world. I insisted I wasn't making Sues. I still was via that damned gem. They've since been reworked bc they genuinely didn't fit in a seriously written narrative I was weaving for a world, but I find it funny that my little bit of hypocrisy came in the form of a classic Sue trope.

@Mumther_Flame

11 ай бұрын

@@wolfynerd14 Honestly I just make Mary sues for fun now but I used to be so scared of making my character too perfect that I gave them so many flaws that they were just miserable- 💀

@wolfynerd14

11 ай бұрын

@@Mumther_Flame This entire video makes me want to resurrect the old Sue version of a character I made when I was 8 for the lolz too. It just looks like it'd be fun and also test my artistic skill considerably, since I definitely need practice in color studies (ie color shading and digital rendering).

@Mumther_Flame

11 ай бұрын

@@wolfynerd14 That would be so cool lol you totally should :)

@darienb1127

10 ай бұрын

"Wait, there all Mary Sues?" "Always have been."

I think the whole Mary Sue thing went from an earnest attempt at helping newbie writers avoid a common pitfall to bullying kids for not being immediately aware of said pitfall.

@necrodeus6811

Жыл бұрын

Yup. People will take any, ANY excuse to turn to bullying. Being discerning is much less glamorous

@nakoruruwantspepsi1556

Жыл бұрын

this is why I was never a fan of "cringe culture" becasue it just seemed like an excuse to make fun of kids being kids

@agjul

Жыл бұрын

And sadly the young fans who are aware of that become overly self-conscious about their original characters.

@spoopyvirgil4944

Жыл бұрын

@@nakoruruwantspepsi1556 Not just kids but neurodivergent people. Cringe culture is just about bullying neurodivergent people, kids, and neurodivergent kids.

@SilastheMatchmaker

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, and I think another part of it (At least for fancharacters and RP characters) is just the need for some rules or baseline. When you're RPing with others, or creating and sharing an fancharacter to interact with other fancharacters, it can be hard for everyone to get along and have fun if there's no clear baseline or rules to follow. And it can quickly spiral because of it. (To put it in simple terms, it's like if you're playing D&D. You don't want to be the Level 1 Wizard in a party where everyone else is Level 20 and ready to verse God himself while if you take one wrong move your character will drop dead from a simple gust of wind.) And it's a baseline or at least understanding between players that's needed which the basic rules of RP etiquette don't exactly cover. I think in part the Anti-Mary Sue craze might have also been in part to try to make a steadfast baseline for everyone.

i used to have a character called Willow who had black hair covering one eye with some burned off her head because she had uncontrollable fire powers. basically, she was so powerful that she had an outburst and accidentally burned her house down with her parents in it so she ran away to the forest and changed her name to the first tree she found. not really that "mary sue", just kid of bad and overused

@Soggycheeseee

10 ай бұрын

That’s a incredible Mary Sue oc

@spinningindaffodils

5 ай бұрын

Workable tbh

@_lavender_pebbles_

5 ай бұрын

@@spinningindaffodilspossibly i guess but i hate her too much for that lol

@WilliamRBl00m

4 ай бұрын

@@spinningindaffodils SID PFP????

@WilliamRBl00m

4 ай бұрын

shes so real for that

Shout out to all the people brave enough to share their ancient ocs with the class, I would actually shrivel up into dust if someone saw all my made-up SCPs from late elementary school/early middle school😭

@SlimeBlueMS

5 ай бұрын

So like from 3 years ago?

@HomeAlabama

4 ай бұрын

god ik for sure get bullied like hell if any my classmates found out abt most of my ocs but im brave enough to share them here lol

@f3ralidi0t

Ай бұрын

SAME I ALSO HAD SCP OCS

@MuddyLives

26 күн бұрын

Heaven forbid my elementary, middle school, and early high school ocs ever see the light of day ever again

The “I’m not like other girls” 2010’s era truly brought out the WORST in all of us 💔

@absolutelyridiculous6743

Жыл бұрын

Oof, indeed...though we had a version in the early 2000's, too. I'm embarrassed by my former Emo self, but at least it wasn't full-blown lol.

@anname7373

Жыл бұрын

This makes me want to write a character who's essence is "I'm not like other girls I'm __worse__"

@katherinealvarez9216

Жыл бұрын

I was part of the early 2000s set.

@_kirb_

Жыл бұрын

Idk, I think the worst part is that it never stopped--it just morphed into something else. There's so, so many young girls that are just NLOGing in other ways, or railroad what being girly or a girl means, or over-celebrating certain parts of it (incentivizing girls to pursue them over others), while ignoring NLOG came about because people obsessively categorize girls and women all the time, that certain girls that conformed were rewarded far more by society, and that in real life, our idea of what a girl or woman is (at least according to what's allowed to be warmly received celebrities and influensers), is very narrow. Age. Features (i.e., POC noses are still under-represented). Bodies (I'm skinny I have actually never seen anyone with my bone structure being a model before). Etc. What we actually celebrate tends to be narrow. Stuff like Tiktok isn't helping because its algorithm actually filters out certain kinds of "unconventional" features and basically promotes stereotypically hyper-feminine/conventionally youthful and beautiful features. While the people that get ahead that don't fit the usual binary usually are conventionally attractive in most other ways. So, almost everyone on certain platforms are conforming to actually extremely specific looks, but there is a tiny amount of hurrah for those that don't. The people curating themselves to be as marketable and consumable as possible are getting almost all the buzz. What gets the clicks will, overwhelmingly, inspire people the most to emulate while unknowingly creating a certain set of expectations around femininity in the greater culture (again annoyingly, but this stuff is ruthless). Beauty standards are, in fact, getting worse even when it other areas they have improved, and likewise, the issues that lead to NLOG becoming a thing are still around...and no it's not just beauty, I just brought it up because it is such a hotbed for a lot of the stress that contributes to someone wanting to NLOG or whatever.

@xdlr22

Жыл бұрын

@@_kirb_ you said it so well. The NLOG entire thing is steeped in misogyny and self-hatred by women and marketed to women. Of course it’s still around just in another way. And unfortunately most of the time those prescribed to that NLOG mindset aren’t getting made fun of for being cruel to other women, but more or less because it’s just another way to put women down. 😔

I love how the non Mary Sue character in that diagram had “clumsy” “can’t dance” and “bad at math” as character flaws as though those aren’t the most token ideas of flaws.

@anarchistsnufkin534

Жыл бұрын

i remember seeing "clumsy" listed as a mary sue trait, because apparently it could easily be turned into a charming quirk (e.g. character is endearingly clumsy around their crush, but also a very skilled fighter). you just couldn't win.

@jessecaalvarez-kuykendall7071

Жыл бұрын

Also, being exactly like Bella from Twilight doesn't make you a good character.

@Probus-Vir-Mendax

Жыл бұрын

@@jessecaalvarez-kuykendall7071 To Be fair, she was Emotionally dead even before becoming Vampire. She would be great at "try not to laugh" challenges, with her constant resting B*tch face.

@potato2880

Жыл бұрын

as someone who is clumsy to the point of running into every wall in a 50 mile radius and therefore is too clumsy to dance without falling over, and is horrible at both math and geography to the point of calling geography "geometry", I'm extremely worried I will be called out for being the irl version of a mary sue

@plague_doctor0237

Жыл бұрын

@@anarchistsnufkin534 As if clumsy people don't even exist... Am I a mary sue for this?

I used to have a character named Charlie who (here's the quote from my journal) "was a normal girl. But she had a dark secret... she could raise the dead. And she had a scythe. And a cat boomerang." I kinda just got more unhinged as the page went on. 😅

@every_planet_we_reach_is_dead

Ай бұрын

Everybody gangsta til Charlie pulls out the cat boomerang 😤

@disruptiveimagination8166

Ай бұрын

Charlie out here killing more pets than PETA

@EngineerMonkey-zp3yj

Ай бұрын

Shout out to all the Charlie's out there.

For some reason, I actually kinda like how bright and chaotic Mary sues designs are. It’s extreme randomness has some sorta weird ass charm to me, even though I’m trying to learn how to animate :,)

I adore most Mary Sue designs tbh they’re such a look I feel like they’ve aged charmingly

@lucilucid

Жыл бұрын

Agree agree

@umaru-channavidena2059

Жыл бұрын

I TOUGH I WAS ALONE THANK YOU SO MUCH 🛐

@bajabl

Жыл бұрын

Hmm you sure bout that

@SoggyOpossum

Жыл бұрын

✨babies first sparkle dog✨

@pumpkinhxeart

Жыл бұрын

I know that this was only posted a few minutes ago but how doesn’t this have more likes? You’re one of the most famous youtubers in the art community!

i was so down bad for zuko i came up with a “love bender” so he would feel warm and fuzzy with me 😭 can’t even express how much this self-imposed trope haunted me in other series

@Lyexsah

Жыл бұрын

Honestly that's both hilarious and adorable.

@reiphas

Жыл бұрын

That is the best thing I've seen lmao. I love people sharing their cringe OCs and I'm glad this was my childhood

@graycat7704

Жыл бұрын

I can’t get over this concept 😂😂😂

@anerrorhasoccurred8727

Жыл бұрын

“Lovebending” sounds both hilarious and creepy 😭💀 this comment gave me a good laugh thank you OP

@zitrinex3400

Жыл бұрын

@@anerrorhasoccurred8727 pls that's so true-

As someone who has fully embraced my cringe and loves looking back on my old "mary-sues" from when I was a kid, I love seeing other people's old Mary Sues or Gary Stus! When my little brother and sister make their first Mary Sue, or Gary Stu, or Sparkle Dog, I cant wait to see it and encourage them to keep drawing and creating! Nothing as amazing as seeing baby's first self insert OC.

@1The_Kaiju

9 ай бұрын

I helped my 2 neices make ocs and one was aculy prety cool with a mostly normal grey wolf, with a sort of neclace witch if i remember right had a paw shape and blue right back leg the other one was partecly just bunch of random colors and their both 6

@poumybeloved

9 ай бұрын

My brother made a mary sue/gary stu named Rain Whale who can one shot every ocean creature with a rainbow beam, it has 5 dorsal fins and it can fly. He is going to kindergarten, Im so proud of him :)

@redactedgamersgd1788

6 ай бұрын

Mary sues hits different when you were new to the writing scene

when I was 13, I was REALLY into this niche community on KZread that revolved around foreign language dubs of Disney movies. People would make ranking videos of their favorite dubs, multilanguage edits of songs, you get the idea. I had a Mary sue at the time that was basically just edgy Elsa and I guarantee that she was only made because I heard the Czech version of let it go and thought it would be a good voice for an oc 😭

@L_Aster

3 ай бұрын

I remember those videos!! I just relistened to the czech let it go and you aren’t wrong, it goes hard

Someone once mentioned Mary Sues are an answer from kids who were bullied into believing they couldn't do anything and so they made characters that could do anything. Been kinda hard to hate on Mary Sues ever since I read that, it's just a way for traumatized kids to cope and dream.

@missmadness387

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, at this point I make characters for myself not for others to judge on.

@thanatoast

Жыл бұрын

I don't know about the whole Traumatized kid thing, but most OCs are cringe by default and that's ok.

@kittykittybangbang9367

Жыл бұрын

@@thanatoast most fun things are cringy anyway so have fun, plus your happiness should be worth more than the approval of others.

@Mushezable

Жыл бұрын

Nah, I made Gary Stus and wasn't traumatised. Do not worry about laughing at mary sues, just don't be mean about it.

@gregdelvalle6846

Жыл бұрын

when they get bullied even more for their terrible oc

Wait, imagine a story where LITERALLY EVERYONE is a Mary Sue. Imagine how insane it would be. I kinda wanna write that just for laughs

@flameindigo8035

Жыл бұрын

do it and send the link here, that sounds amazing

@wriothesley_cakefactory

Жыл бұрын

Eyy that might be really interesting.. Plz share link if u write one

@redspiderlilys6

Жыл бұрын

I love that kind of thing "if everyone is op then nobody is op"

@butterflystampede1945

Жыл бұрын

That would be epic(ly ridiculous)! I would devour it.😄

@radioactivepower600nanaspersec

Жыл бұрын

Please do, I'd love to read something like that :D

when I was 12 (2016) I made a 280-picture comic using the pony creator game and free backgrounds. it’s still somewhere in the wild vk pony groups, uploaded from an account that I can’t access anymore because it’s deleted. i reread it every summer. it was never finished, but I decided to please my inner child by remaking it as a full-fledged comic. maybe it won’t happen this year or the next one, but one day I’m gonna call up my old childhood friend who supported me back then and show her that the story still lives.

19:37 really is just “It’s too late twilight! I’ve drawn you as the soy jack and me as the chad Alicorn!”

@every_planet_we_reach_is_dead

Ай бұрын

Soylight Sparjak

oh my god i remember being TERRIFIED of “accidentally making a mary sue” so i literally spent hours researching how to make a “good oc” out of fear that i’d be made fun of

@ArekusaSan

Жыл бұрын

SAMEEEEE. It made me so critical of others’ characters as well. Nowadays I still have a bit of that cynicism, but I try to be healthy about it and not care about other characters. I’ve realized that I’ve come to enjoy Mary Sues and will defend them with my life

@numberonebivefan

Жыл бұрын

Same-,I made warrior cat ocs and worried of them being too overpowered and other stuff-

@mochiboni2560

Жыл бұрын

YOOOO SAME XD

@LemonnNote

Жыл бұрын

This is why I don't make OCs

@quetzal6293

Жыл бұрын

Same I was afraid of giving my otherwise really bland fox character wings because I didn't want to make her a Mary sue Wild time

all my childhood ocs were 100% Mary Sues. Everytime id roleplay w/ my cousins and siblings I’d always say shit like “He can actually read ur mind um so he dodged.” It was EMBARRASSING and they never wanted to play w me 😭💀

@kumatorahaltmanndreemurr

Жыл бұрын

You just unlocked a childhood memory in me! One time as a little kid I was roleplaying with my friends, and we all played as different characters from shows and stuff. I was a totally original character who looked like Avatar Roku and had complete mastery of the avatar state and had perfected every type of bending 😭💀 After a while one friend straight up told me I was dominating the role play and needed to be less OP Edit: I just remembered my character *also* knew karate 💀

@adelinatimercan5183

Жыл бұрын

I've had some similar experiences in Animal Jam... The first that come to mind are when I singlehandedly made everyone leave a roleplay by powerplaying and attacking everyone with 'gold beams', and when I tried to persuade someone to give me one of their masterpieces for free because I was 'queen of the night wolves', and promptly got kicked out of their shop.

@ineedzemedic5810

Жыл бұрын

GOD I REMEMBER WE DID THIS WHEN WE WERE YOUNGER. I played with one of my neighbors kid and their character always countered every attack with acidic piss.

@veronicaoviedo711

Жыл бұрын

@@ineedzemedic5810 ok that's just funny

@realnepetaleijon

Жыл бұрын

@@ineedzemedic5810 HELP WHAT?? That’s hilarious oh my god

My own Mary Sue was a yellow mlp alicorn named Blaze Apple who had an infinite lowing fire mane, was a vampire fruit bat, and had a crush on Flippy from happy tree friends for obvious reasons. She had red magic and was "stronger than all the rest." I'm glad I grew out of Sue characters because it allowed me to turn her from an all-powerful immortal murder vampire into a gay college jock vamp who was just good at playing guitar lmao

@MrHAH-cd9ku

5 ай бұрын

From My Little Pony to Marceline

@micahguillemette3344

5 ай бұрын

Oh please tell me about the gay college jock vamp!

I never got the whole thing against making OCs to ship with canon characters. It’s one thing if your OC is a self-insert, I had my fair share of self-insert OCs I made just to ship with my comfort character lol but some people seem to have a problem with making OCs to have any relationship with canon characters, period. I find that so arbitrary, creating and inserting characters that make sense inside a canon universe is a super fun writing exercise. It requires you to analyze the original work and think how could a new character fit in there.

@CandiceCotton

14 күн бұрын

Even making self insert OCs to ship with characters is like. Fine. Like it doesn't hurt anyone lol.

How dare they call them “sparkle dogs” when “furry sues” was right there

@outer1329

Жыл бұрын

YESSS

@mi1kguts

Жыл бұрын

cuz tbh most young furries make their sona a wolf lol

@ZeldaTheSwordsman

Жыл бұрын

"Mary Sue" hadn't cross-pollinated from criticism of fanfiction nearly as strongly at the time the term "sparkledogs" was coined. Plus the majority were canids.

@snowkitten3285

Жыл бұрын

@@mi1kguts young fur me making my fursona a cat: *I beg to differ*

@MaxKarmaCat

Жыл бұрын

While it's true cats are very common, you can't deny it: Canines are the most popular choice.

as someone who’s first oc was “waffles the eevee, a lol random all powerful being married to alter cipher, bill cipher’s tsundere twin brother who could transform into an alicorn”, mary sues have been a prominent part of my artistic development lmao. really enjoyed this video

@YourPalMal23

Жыл бұрын

I'm sorry but the thought of bill cipher having a tsundere twin brother made me laugh so hard 😭

@illford6921

Жыл бұрын

Bro just swapped TV shows like 3 times 💀

@ERR0RC0DE2

Жыл бұрын

the ultimate crossover

@hieovri

Жыл бұрын

TSUNDERE HAHAHA

@randomnoob101flyhightweek

Жыл бұрын

tsundere twin brother, and to bill?!?!?! XD

I need a story where the whole main squad is a bunch of mary sues who got together to break the laws of the world and their interactions just have the vibe of like drunk girls complimenting each other in the bathroom. I so wanna see something sweet like that... Everyone hyping eachother up, teaching each other their universe shatering moves, borrowing clothes from one another because "no no, that skirt suits you sooo much better". It would feel like those old cringey rps with your online friends and I crave it...

As someone who lurked in public chats websites as a kid. Watching two OP mary sue/ garry stu duke it out rp fighting was always fun to watch. Both would constantly receive injuries that would kill someone and shrug it off. Countering with the same fabled "kill you instantly" style of moves. With neither accepting defeat it would go on for awhile, atleast until one had to go.

I always thought Mary Sue was a actual character that people bullied as a sick sense of humor for the majority of my life.

@PeterGriffin11

Жыл бұрын

I though she was a character from a book lol.

@ResidentKieran

Жыл бұрын

@fatui harbingers. can i say Hi to Tartaglia /J why is there a fatui harbringer bot??

@Gibmeprimogemss

Жыл бұрын

@@ResidentKieran Idek, I saw the “fatui harbringers” thing I was so confused 👍

@ResidentKieran

Жыл бұрын

@@Gibmeprimogemss i just made a video on it cause it was hilarious lmaooo. why do they want us to learn how to make pizza? as a kaeya main i'd rather cook fruity mushroom skewers lol

@Duvelle_

Жыл бұрын

@@ResidentKieran Fancy seeing you here Grimi. Didn't know you also watch Izzy

It's cute how instead of finding OCs on DeviantArt to mock, you got your fans to submit their own. That's really wholesome.

@L0rdOfThePies

Жыл бұрын

I respect that greatly, ever since i was a young cringelet i have been living in fear of any accounts ive had being targeted by the good ol middle 2010s art rant/ cringe comp community

@sc0ffcat

Жыл бұрын

@@L0rdOfThePies CRINGELET

@mmarceline3

Жыл бұрын

i agree, i loved it and it made me happy seeing what others created as a kid. very wholesome

@sweetlittlenothing7696

Жыл бұрын

@@L0rdOfThePies fucking CRINGELET i love this word, is goes into my vocabulary right this instant 😆

@fbmb1337

Жыл бұрын

@Cinnamon Toothpaste On the one hand absolutely agree (thankfully I was mostly safe cause I don't think rp posting forums ever got big enough to get roasted publicly on youtube), on the other can we push for cringelet to be a thing now? Its too perfect.

I remember when I was a kid, I had a "super bad ass edgy" Kitsune character called Starling, who was quote: "A smart, clever, snappy, beautiful, independent, and powerful Kitsune with beautiful bright orange fur that glowed in the sun." She was part of a prophecy and saved the world from the evil queen or something. She also had pegasus wings and super powers, of course.

I work at a daycare and I'm happy to announce that even in this generation, playground roleplay mary sues still exist. There's this one kid that constantly heals everyone whenever they pretend to get hurt and always say things like "and I grow wolf ears and you're really shocked" and I kid you not, one time they named themselves "Diamond Axe Wolf."

@every_planet_we_reach_is_dead

Ай бұрын

That's so cute I can't 😭

The only time a Mary Sue can be “harmful” in my opinion is if it is used in a roleplay to actively outclass/kill other peoples characters and derail the story. Otherwise go hog wild lol

@yuki97kira

Жыл бұрын

Remembered being in a dnd server with someone with these sorts of characters.. The story was boring.. Some even "borrowing" already existing characters.. It was all "this is the princess/main person who are corrupted by darkness" The worse part? They went on and on on how great their writing is. Whenever people comments on it, they always.. ALWAYS try to dismiss it and "argue" with people

@giant_internet_nerd

Жыл бұрын

Yeah

@koopie_koop

Жыл бұрын

i don't know about you, but i think that professional screenwriter or published author shouldn't write a mary sue. otherwise why would i want to pay for the level of writing that i could found on any fan fiction website of my choosing made by a 13 y.o that in some cases actually have better writing for free?

@jadestrider2660

Жыл бұрын

@@koopie_koop Bad take. Doesn’t matter if they’re “professional” or “published”, it’s still their creative work, they’re free to create what they want. No one is forcing you to spend money on it.

@mastertofu

Жыл бұрын

Lmao, in the Dragon Ball fandom, pretty much every OC is created to be better than the other roleplayer's XD

Oh man! My mom was the best when it came to My Little Pony OC’s. All of my siblings liked to draw, including me, so my mom took our OC’s and turned them into stuffed animals! They were so beautiful and I loved them so much

@BoiFluffyFurry21

Жыл бұрын

I wish I had a mom like yours, hell it so much fun making characters and it can be a form of bonding between me and my mom 😭😭.

@noranizaazmi6523

Жыл бұрын

That’s so cute!

@Waterdrinker2.0

Жыл бұрын

Thats a Cute mother and children bond😊

@katiarepublic7057

Жыл бұрын

I NEED to do this wiht my old MLP OC holy shit-

@standard-carrier-wo-chan

Жыл бұрын

Broooo please what's your mom's rate per plushie? I'd like to commission.

I used to have one but I went back to my elementary book and did a redraw of her and made a better story. Basically I turned her into a monster high inspired character

@TakashiDemonServant

11 ай бұрын

My main oc, well there’s a lot to explain for him. He’s a multiverse oc and let’s say not overpowered and I usually have him as a villain. Sometimes he dies, sometimes it’s happy it just depends on which fandom I decided to be active on each day.

I think the only place where "Mary Sues" really suck is in roleplay spaces, because it makes balencing really hard. Its difficult to tell stories if there are no flaws.

When I was 12 I used the Mary Sue litmus test religiously and when I got into a fight with any of my friends I would take the test with one of their characters and try to see how many points I could rack up on them. I never told them the results I just would silently stew in my frustration.

@TheNumnutRandomness

Жыл бұрын

Seeing all these Mary Sue memes just took me on a TRIP. I literally had the Mary Sue litmus test _bookmarked_ and hung religiously onto the "just b/c your character scored high, doesn't necessarily make them a Mary Sue" bullet point 😭

@Neon99

Жыл бұрын

Oh my gosh that is so funny

@grazgrain

Жыл бұрын

It’s not even accurate tho like literally all my characters get over the threshold on that and they’re the most flawed beings to exist 😭😭

@renhyde1447

Жыл бұрын

@@grazgrain oh I've tried taking it again a few years ago out of curiosity and characters I have now that I think are more well rounded and fun scored high. It's definitely not accurate and a product of its time.

@grazgrain

Жыл бұрын

@@renhyde1447 yeah, the creator said that they think it's innacurate now

As a kid on the internet I became so afraid of accidentally making Mary Sue OCs (I had received horrible comments, been harassed, reposted on "cringe oc" blogs, etc) that I started looking at those "How to not make your OC a Mary Sue" guides, which led me to read more about character design, which led me to watch chara design courses on KZread, which eventually... led me to become absolutely IN LOVE with character designing and concept art. I'm a professional character designer now, haha.

@NonsensicalTrickster

Жыл бұрын

Oh my goodness this is me too!!! I love character design so much and my favorite thing to do is help other people flesh out characters and stuff! Usually by just spitballing ideas at them and letting them pick if they thing they're cool ideas for their characters or not (I play a lot of d&d and sometimes am DM). My dream is to be a professional character designer for animation and stuff. Not sure if it'll happen but a man can dream.

@deedferreira4211

Жыл бұрын

Who knew that childhood cyberbullying and trauma was the perfect recipe to become a professional character designer lmao

@Lovangeline

Жыл бұрын

TELL THE PEOPLE WHO HARASSED YOU SO THEY CAN FEEL EMBARRASSED

@lorenaalves2222

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha, me too! I'm a designer because I was so afraid to make these types of characters, and I was into D&D a lot so I was always making characters all the time. It revealed to be one of my passions

@h0lodm0966

Жыл бұрын

same here except i write now lol

I never knew there was a term for this concept! It brings me back to my childhood, when I'd create characters who were severely overpowered, and unnecessarily talented. My only regret is that my art and plotlines weren't connected because I didn't have faith in my ability to draw these "perfect" characters 😂

The part near the end where you talked about how it’s ok to make art and have fun, man, that made me cry. It IS fun to make crazy overpowered characters and the fact that we’re made to feel like that fact is bad- it just sucks. Thank you so much for this video ❤️

I remember the exact moment I stopped taking accusation of "this character is a Mary Sue" seriously. It was when, back when I wrote fanfiction, one of my stories had a part where a mailman delivers a letter.... the mailman was not even really a named character and he disappears from the story after delivering that one letter.... and yet, just because he wasn't a named character from the source material, I suddenly was hearing cries that he was a Mary Sue self insert. I wish I was joking.

@seventy_eight

Жыл бұрын

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@lemonade2879

Жыл бұрын

mailman sue 😔💔

@iheartdaftpunk

Жыл бұрын

Istg sometimes I lose braincells because of these kinds of ppl 😃🔫

@lilwoofs

Жыл бұрын

Of course people thought it was a self insert, who doesn’t want to be a mail man! In all honesty though I understand that, as a fanfic writer I never put any characters that wasn’t in the source material in my fic for fear that something like that would happen, over time I started to care less, but like it’s just weird that people care so much? And will try to call out and make fun of the littlest things.

@EdmondDantes224

Жыл бұрын

@@lilwoofs Yeah, honestly as I got older I started to feel like fanfic writing as a whole was.... well, people always say its good training for being a real writer.... but the problem is, I feel like it imparts all the wrong lessons, because fandoms have fundamentally different desires and expectations than, say, a guy picking up a random book off a shelf might. As such, a lot of the lessons you learn from writing fanfiction are basically not usable in a non-fanfiction context, and in fact can trap you.

I vividly remember being in the my little pony fandom on good ol deviantart back when it was popular and there was this 14 year old girl who had a "mary sue" mlp oc and she got so much backlash for it she kept redesigning her oc to make her less of a mary sue but people were never satisfied. i think she ended up putting her up as an adoptable and the person who got it said they were gonna redesign her completely. kinda messed up looking back on it.

@spoopyvirgil4944

Жыл бұрын

The true people who are cringe are those who make fun of others for being "cringe".

@eatsteas

Жыл бұрын

@@spoopyvirgil4944 oh totally. especially when they're making fun of literal children having fun

@thepinkestpigglet7529

Жыл бұрын

People just want to be bully children 😔

@MadamChriss

Жыл бұрын

That definitely sucks that she couldn't have her fun :( i remember vividly watching "how to make a good oc" videos because of how scared i was on making a Mary sue

@bakaichigo

Жыл бұрын

I REMEMBER THIS! I always thought it was sad :(

Honestly I’m of the opinion that “Mary Sues” are kind of a stage that every creative person goes through when first beginning to write characters. They’re not well-written by any stretch but they’re a first foray into character design and more broadly character creation for almost everyone. That said there’s nothing morally wrong with having them in your character arsenal- they can be fun- but I think the term in its ideal usage can be utilized to highlight a specific kind of writing issue for people who want to write compelling characters for an audience one day.

one of the worst friends I ever had kept angrily calling me a Mary Sue when we were teenagers together. Now I’m wondering if she realised that I am not a fictional character and was just a sad teenage girl

Well, my grandmother's name is Mary Sue and she actually WAS perfect. Her only known flaws, actually, were that she didn't have rainbow scene hair or date Gaara from Naruto. She made outstanding seasonal sugar cookies though. RIP, grandma, I miss you. You could have had it all if you had just invested in a bottle of Manic Panic 😔

@mavericktjo4548

Жыл бұрын

Your grandma was a good woman. My condolences goes to you.

I remember I was so ashamed of having "mary sue" characters that I literally stopped creating original art for almost two years, and still don't share my original characters with actual stories with anyone but my closest friends because I really don't want to deal with characters that are very comforting for me being ruthlessly mocked

@OddSilentMoth

Жыл бұрын

Same, I have only one or two original characters that I am just too afraid to share because they are very personal and comforting to me.

@idoh2195

Жыл бұрын

Same here quq

@Someone-kf8xe

Жыл бұрын

yep exactly exept it extended further to me, the fandom was just so toxic back then that I gave up on art as a career entirely, I still draw, paint, make clay sculptures, animate and all the fun art stuff but I just don't share it nor do I ever think I'll pursue it as a job, I keep it all to myself and barely even share it with my friends

@EternaMidnight

Жыл бұрын

@@Someone-kf8xe That's sad, I wish you were able to comfortably share it somewhere

i love how when you show pics of people’s ocs they’ve sent you, so many of them have redraws! like these characters still have a lot of love 🫶 i still have one of my older characters from when i was in middle school. she’s changed quite a bit but she’s still a crazy goth lady named Santelle! she definitely fell into the anti sue trope-nobody liked her-but now she has friends ❤️

I had a BNHA oc I created when I was fifteen (kinda late yes). Her quirk was to steal others quirks permanently so she had four different quirks : telepathy (I had precised up to five tons, thinking it was a good restriction), healing, stopping the time for 5 secondes and an other overpowered quirk called "control" (in a nutshell, she could control any element as long as she touched it, being able to transform a pebble into a cliff or a spark into a giant fire). She was obviously a UA student but was hiding her stealing quirk and only used the control quirk. Her name was Ameshiro Atashi (weird japanese sounding name I came up with) and she was in love with Deku

Don’t forget those characters who would have an “evil side”. I remember making copious amounts of half-good half-evil OC fanart.

@Stubbormly

Жыл бұрын

No because I did this too- I had a speedart on my channel of my edgy sad persona with an inverted colors half 😋

@Snips.Snails.Fairytales

Жыл бұрын

I think I had one that was possessed by the spirit of a vampire that would be brought out by the super hot villain OC. Man good times.

@tortleproductions6331

Жыл бұрын

OH MY GOD, YOU JUST REMINDED ME OF MY BATIM OC THAT WAS ESSENTIALLY BENDY 2: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO BUT GENDERBENT AND HIS SISTER AND CRAP. AND ALSO DATING BORIS FOR SOME REASON.

@spiderdad8276

Жыл бұрын

omg the art where its a character split and one side of them is happy and the other side is bloody and evil. those were the best i swear

@shickzander

Жыл бұрын

I still do this lmao.

Don’t forgot the Mary Sue’s lecturing the whole cast for being ignorant and they all just stand there gaping in blank awe of her intelligence and morals

@grain9640

Жыл бұрын

sometimes I see "horrendous and edgy backstory of infinite suffering" duct taped on as an after thought/defense, lol I did this but it didn't make it a better written character, because I had no clue what I was doing just "why should u listen to my character's insightful and intelligent monologues? BECAUSE THEY BEEN THROUGH CRAP AND IT WAS TERRIBLE, AND NOW THEY ARE STRONG AND EDGY DON'T ASK QUESTIONS"

@Office_chair

Жыл бұрын

Okay so basically Mary sues and y/n's are basically the same except one is a your name in a fanfic.

@starboycesar

Жыл бұрын

@@Office_chair yep

@Office_chair

Жыл бұрын

@@starboycesar well I mean that's basically what it sounds like. That they're both the same thing.

As a small kid I had a Mary Sue character called "Rainbow Regenbogen" (Regenbogen just means rainbow in german so she was called rainbow rainbow) who was a horse with blue fur and a rainbow hair, a horn and wings (no, she wasn't based on Rainbow Dash) and she was the guardian of her homeland and fought evil, was super nice and loved by everyone. I don't remember much of her but I do remember that she had no flaws 😂

One of my first ever oc’s was named Pyro. I made her when I was in fourth grade and if I remember correctly, she was basically a recolor of Chara from Undertale with a backstory of being a murderous demon wolf girl who was grown in a lab or something. It’s crazy how much I’ve grown as an artist and character creator over the years since I created Pyro and though I never knew what a Mary Sue was at the time that the oc was created, I think making chatacters like that is a universal experience for most artists or writers who started out young

i was obsessed with taking the mary sue litmus test as a kid and there was a “de-sueifer” question (that takes away from your score) that was something like “if your character is a hybrid creature, do they have the weaknesses of both species instead of the strengths?” i thought that was a super cool idea for an edgy anti-mary sue story. buuuuut of course i ended up making an edgy sue 😭

@anerrorhasoccurred8727

Жыл бұрын

Having a blend of strengths and weaknesses is interesting and pretty realistic imo. Like, if your character is part bird or something, maybe their light weight allows them to fly but also leaves them prone to serious injury.

I remember how I lost my mind when I found out what Mary Sues were in the sixth grade, I literally made all my OCs horrible just to avoid any of them being called Mary Sues 😭

@ShallowVA

Жыл бұрын

In hindsight, Mary Sue hate was kinda just adults bullying children online into suppressing their imagination.

@Fr0gg37

Жыл бұрын

@@ShallowVA omg fr

@Periwinkleaccount

Жыл бұрын

Mission failed successfully

@L0rdOfThePies

Жыл бұрын

Yeah i tried to remove any ounce of personality from my ocs as a kid lol, they were like cardboard boxes with anime eyes at that point

@agjul

Жыл бұрын

@@ShallowVA Yup. And if anyone's actually cringe, it's those adults and teens who decided making fun of kids having fun is a worthwhile endeavor lol.

I love sparkledogs oml they're amazing.

22:29 i love how instead of calling it a "mary sue" they just called em ✨sparkle dogs.✨ And that title sounds cool and hella better frfr.

I used to be so afraid of making Mary Sues that all my characters were kinda bland but now I have come full circle and make all the edgy and over the top ocs my middle school heart could only dream of.

@AoiUsagiOtoko

Жыл бұрын

same and i'm having the time of my life doing so tbh! screw subtlety i'm gonna draw my cool femboy vampire oc all the time forever 😤

I swear all OC creators go through this same pipeline. Making mary sues, to hating them/being scared of creating them, to being chill with them and finding them cute/cool as the fun self-insert wish fulfillment they actually are. That's growth.

@Dizoolixa

Жыл бұрын

​@@vitaminwater9662 They were

@jamzee_

Жыл бұрын

Im in this comment and I don’t like it. Tho but fr you go from basically making yourself a self insert power fantasy, to making essentially a depressed version of yourself, and then you shift back to just, doing whatever you want without caring. lol I went from a Fox anthro me character who could shapeshift, to a dude wearing a porcelain madi gras mask and basically just being me but with thirteen “he’s sad”, to just being “hey, its my self insert/avatar, i draw myself as a dude with tree branches as antlers… I may be cringe, but I am free.”

@RainWelsh

Жыл бұрын

@@jamzee_ for me these days it tends to vary depending on whether something’s just for me or for general consumption, too. Virtually everything I watch/read I’ll have my own self-insert that only exists within my own mind. I never write fanfic, it’s all just a series of daydreams, but they’re self-insert OCs nonetheless, and they’re all the most wish-fulfilly, cringey, Mary Sue-enest things to have ever been dreamt up. And that’s fine, because I’m never going to subject any innocent bystanders to them; in the safety of my own mind, I can be as cringe as I care to be. When it comes to writing content I actually want people to engage with, however, I try to make everyone a little more rounded lmao

@kalopsiawitch9538

Жыл бұрын

@@jamzee_ PREACH

@kalopsiawitch9538

Жыл бұрын

Yes 👍🏼 loving it 😊

As a 1970’s Star Trek fan fiction reader, you cannot fathom how common this trope was at the time. New Starfleet Academy graduate, youngest ever, highest accolades, gifted at everything and anything, loved by all, and oh my god the PLOT ARMOUR. They are invincible. It was really just in fandom until Luke Skywalker, the paramount of the Mary Sue.

I find it funny how there's the whole Mary Sue trope, and then people hear about my god oc/persona for the first time and call him that, and then they realize, oh shit, everyone in this story you wrote are gods or immortals in some way. And they instantly end up loving my story, what a surprising twist of events.

@ipupi8784

5 ай бұрын

I want to read it now...

I think the whole Mary sue hate train completely destroyed a part of my creativity, making me terrified of being cringe and being obsessed with others approval that I couldn’t even make a backstory for ocs

@hearsepuppy

Жыл бұрын

no fr... like this vid is hilarious and im not mad at all but SO many of the things being made fun of are my characters exact traits and my feelings are hurt lmfao i cant help it its fun to have a quirky character

@VonKellcsiis

Жыл бұрын

then I believe it's time to embrace cringeness :}

@revvrk

Жыл бұрын

same,I have stopped drawing but if I do it again I should stop worrying about what others think as i always limited myself by that and it really is horrible, I think that's why I lost my taste for drawing as the comment above, i should embrace the cringe lol sorry if english is bad i used translation for some parts

@senpaitwinsgacha4450

11 ай бұрын

I made 2 OCs who have some Mary Sue traits, but they aren’t superheroes or goddesses.

@kirum65ack53

11 ай бұрын

just make a balanced character and if people tell you its a mary sue then fix it

When I was younger, I had this oc that was a self insert and a total Mary Sue, like, she was rich, she was powerful and she could get anyone to fall in love with her. I used her in literally any fandom I could until I got really into cringe culture and locked her away forever in shame. Now I realize she truly is a girlboss and absolutely was the moment.

@bitchypossum4143

Жыл бұрын

Lowkey she sounds like an icon 😂

@metanol_is_tasty

Жыл бұрын

i'm into great eager to meet the new generation of poorly written cheap art filled with such characters just to turn average people into more escapist and limp mass. oh wait. we've already met it. it's called postmodern.

@carlygarly

Жыл бұрын

totally same lol

@Spongyboi897

Жыл бұрын

I remember not having an OC when I was young so what did I do?, I used a poorly drawn SpongeBob as my mascot lmao

Good lord. I remember in the third grade I made mlp OC that was… 1. Fluttershy’s sister 2. Alicorn 3. Basically the design of princess celestia in that one episode when she was turned goth, but as a regular looking pony design. 4. Most powerful of them all 5. Dating Big Mac bc I had a huge crush on him 💀

I had MLP OC that was alicorn and her name was Equestria(they named the country after her!) She created all the monsters and she had her own monster dark side. She had also vitiligo and rainbow mane. Till this day she is the most precious MLP OC I have. She has gone trough so many changes but the name stick to her till this day. She was of course, the most powerful pony of all time.

Man, the whole anti Mary Sue culture was so wild back in the day. I was totally one of those people who went down the "Mary Sues are a crime against humanity" pipeline. I don't think I was ever outright mean to anyone or gave unwelcome criticism, but I still feel bad about my behavior because at the end of the day, I was contributing to a culture that was surpressing the creative expression of kids.

@AlexReynard

Жыл бұрын

People who were using the term "Mary Sue" to make fun of people just startin out writing or drawing were simply bullies at heart. If I still use the term, it's always in reference to, like, well-paid Hollywood scriptwriters making inauthentic, lazy characters when they know better. That's where the term belongs.

@eldrichnemo9312

Жыл бұрын

same here, we're talking circa 2000 when I was a very young adult thus "too old" and "too cool" for stinky Mary Sues! I followed LJs that roasted them, especially in the HP fandom. Even though there were rules about not harassing those people aka 'don't touch the poop' there's no doubt were hurt feelings and for what? For me to be like 'not like other girls' and feel superior? Joke's on me, turns out I was not a girl, I just didn't understand that at the time.

@ImaginaryAlchemist

Жыл бұрын

I was one of those kids who made Mary Sue characters, when I saw how hated they were it made me cringe at myself lol

@Lily-pe8ml

Жыл бұрын

I was right with you! I remember making videos about it and I even was 'cancelled' once (it wasn't called cancelling, but obviously the original owners of the OCs found my channel). I just lied about my age and eventually privated the videos lmaooo

I really apreciate that Izzy "isnt making fun of" the themes she talks about. Kids are just having fun and shaming them for liking that stuff even if it is cringe, makes them grow up really fast and fear being made fun of. Thanks Izzy

@deadeyeguys

Жыл бұрын

i think that's why izzy is one of my favourite channels. i know that they're not going to make fun of the things that they talk about, and that's pretty refreshing, at least to me.

@durandus676

Жыл бұрын

I like how she approaches it as a healthy hobby and not doubling down like some “positive” takes go with encouraging obsession. Not just this just in general, Izzy has very grounded level headed takes that are just aging like fine wine.

@criesincryptid

Жыл бұрын

@@SpadeBent the poking fun usually goes over the top. It's such a prominent trope because it's a beginner writing problem so it's young kids often getting the brunt of the teasing.

@naolucillerandom5280

Жыл бұрын

@@SpadeBent Not dumb, just inexperienced. You need analysing and practice to build any kind of skill. Most of your first attempts at anything aren't going to be the best you can do. Making fun of kids too much often discourages them from trying.

@spoopyvirgil4944

Жыл бұрын

@@SpadeBent "Are you saying kids are dumb?" I mean, I thought I could walk on water like a pond skater when I was a kid. And I thought the sky was a dome like the one room from Spirited Away.

Imagine a Mary Sue as a villain, like some sort of magic user who makes people think that she can do no wrong and weaponizes people’s good opinions of her to attack those who see through her facade

Oh god, my Pokémon OC's were a trio of Mary Sue besties who had tragic backstories 💀 they consisted of: - Cora, an explorer/safari ranger who had (direct quote) ✨ long black hair which tumbled down her back like a waterfall ✨ and an exclusive, super powerful partner Pokémon which she found in a cave. She was homeless because her parents wanted her to be in an arranged marriage and they dramatically chased her out of the house for saying no, and then her dad showed up later working for the evil team that I made up. - Luna, the most blatant self-insert who could talk to her Espeon via psychic link. It also let her see into the future. Her backstory was by far the edgiest, her entire family (except her sister) was killed by the evil team and they basically enslaved her, but she fed a stray Eevee through the bars on her window until it evolved and broke her out. Ever since then she had edgy visions which nobody else understood. In terms of personality she was a "quirky" neurotic weirdo who annoyed people, but every Pokémon she met automatically loved her lmao. She also dressed like the bastard child of a Soul Eater cosplayer and a swamp witch. - Star, AKA a shameless ripoff of the blonde GirlsGoGames mascot 😂 I think there was an entire prophecy about her because she was magical or something?? Her partner was a Dratini because of course it was. She was found in the forest as a baby and grew up in a village which shunned her for being different, except for the time where she casually befriended a Shaymin. In hindsight she was kinda like N before N existed. Some funny trivia I remember: - the entire friend group was dysfunctional as hell, Star and Luna would enable each other's worst traits and Cora allowed it because she thought it was funny - Star burned down an entire forest and was instantly forgiven because she cried - Luna called Star 10 minutes later than she promised and Star responded by having a full-on mental breakdown - Ash Ketchum himself appeared at one point and fell madly in love with Cora, but I got bored of writing it so she abandoned him in a cave - Luna's Espeon would constantly, CONSTANTLY encourage her to respond to her problems with violence - Cora's would-be husband turned out to be the evil team leader's son, who was basically just emo Silver minus the Pokémon abuse (and in VERY ANGSTY love with Luna because of course he was) - all three of them would casually start singing Evanescence songs to express their feelings

@Taekaleaf

10 күн бұрын

Iconic

@tsifirakiehl4250

Күн бұрын

As someone who has been obsessed with Pokémon since the age of 7 and is now 22, I have to say that I love these characters, and I think their gloriously dysfunctional backstories and dynamic would make for a wonderful dark comedy.

I remember someone called one of my OCs a Mary Sue cause she wore a sexy outfit once. It literally shook preteen me to my core 🤣

@kaigrant88

Жыл бұрын

My preteen writing of my character being called a Mary Sue because I literally made her like what I liked and apparently because I listen to rock music and my character liked it, it was an edgy Mary Sue

@doesbadart13

Жыл бұрын

My name is Luna and I get called a Mary Sue even today because people think I'm faking it 😭

@noizepusher7594

Жыл бұрын

@@doesbadart13 damn your parents were trying to make a marry sue

@The_Bird_Bird_Harder

Жыл бұрын

@@doesbadart13 Had a friend named Luna in 4th grade. Not that odd of a name. (Though technically it was a nickname derived from her proper name which is Chinese, and I have forgotten.)

the "going from having mary sue characters to hating them" pipeline thing is SO true. i'm glad u brought up the phase in 2016 where suddenly everything was being deemed "cringe" - i went from having a rainbow dash recolor oc named golden wings who was the fastest flyer in all of equestria to trashing every last bit of old art i could find. i think that era caused a lot of people to be ashamed and even scared about having ocs in case they were ridiculed

@riverdaisy4215

Жыл бұрын

almost everyone’s gonna have a Mary Sue or self insert the important thing is that shit never gets professionally published

@gingaswagger7969

Жыл бұрын

FR one of my biggest regrets in life is scribbling over my warrior cat oc, Oddstar's comic... i spent hours making it, only to deface it beyond recognition when I was going through my "anti cringe" phase.

@cathackz

Жыл бұрын

@@gingaswagger7969 I DID THE SAME THING it got to the point where i soaked my marker drawings in water so that they were literally unrecognizable 😭 that era of the internet changed my way of thinking for the worst honestly i'm so glad i've learnt to keep my art and embrace what ppl deem to be cringe

@YuugaoMegami

Жыл бұрын

Were you even a part of mid-00s fandom culture if you didn't go through the 'Mary Sue to Anti Sue Pipeline'?

@soursweet2433

Жыл бұрын

2016 damaged too many people.

I had a oc that had bright red hair, green eyes, she had super strength, she had a giant hammer, was 6ft tall, and had a girlfriend. The girlfriend had fluttershys personality, strawberry blonde, blue eyes, 5ft, had like 50 cats and everyone loved her cats. Idk what that tells you about me

I used to have this one character called “Choco” She was mysterious, loved and great at everything, i dont much know how to describe her but i still find her important and am using her for one of my stories although her character has been changed a bit with personality and design, she’s also only a background character yet a great memory.

fun fact: in seventh grade, one of my english assignments was writing a short story and sharing it to the class. my friends and i thought my immortal was so funny that i made a my immortal fic in the pov of draco getting attacked at the mcr concert. i shared it in front of the class and only my friend group found it funny. i got a low score lol

@catfan913

Жыл бұрын

oh noooo lmaooo

@jessicamuir8696

Жыл бұрын

oof

@derismiccube2414

Жыл бұрын

I hate when teachers low score creative writing assignments, especially ones that are younger, because it should just be about writing something fun that you enjoy

@katethevampire

Жыл бұрын

Bro you got to get creative on the writing assignment. One time I wrote a whole essay about a character breaking into a school to find the last clue to a scavenger hunt. I looked up prices for local soda shops in Utah so my character could do the math about how many slushies they could get with the prize money. ( also is that a Cleo pfp I see? )

@UnreasonableOpinions

Жыл бұрын

Frankly the entire grade of a creative writing assignment should award any genuine attempt at expression a decent mark just for managing to try. High marks can be there for people who excel, but downgrading people for not being creative enough in a social milieu that punishes any form of earnestness is nonsense.

I was so adamantly against EVER writing a self insert as a young fanfic author because I not only thought I’d be mocked, but also because they genuinely made me uncomfortable to read. as an adult I see absolutely nothing wrong with writing yourself into a story, but as a young fanfic consumer, putting yourself into the canon was the quickest way to put me off a fic.

@ggmmdh

Жыл бұрын

oh same i can comfortably imagine myself in my favorite shows all day but to actually write it (even if its only for myself) irks me 😟

@WeirdGirl321

Жыл бұрын

I fully agree there, if I'm going to read a fic I personally am looking to read about the characters already there. It's even hard for me to accept fics with ocs that aren't self-insert

@aikathedirtyrat3140

Жыл бұрын

yeah usually self insert is just a private thing, people hate it to this day, I particularly love it tho, feels cozy to have your persona or watch someone's persona have the oportunity to make friends with canon characters , I'm extremely lonely so I think about it everyday and do sketches, but people almost never see them, I post very little because I know people hate it and don't care, I barely finish anything tho, I still need to find myself a friend who shares the experience :,)

@djreems8813

Жыл бұрын

@@aikathedirtyrat3140 i didn't realize i was even doing it during childhood until i was introduced to the concept on the internet and now im an adult and still do that lmao definitely one of the healthier coping mechanisms i have. I feel you so dw while some might find it weird, i think it's a fun activity that can help you deal with loneliness and/or just for the sake of it :)

sorry, unrelated to the video, but I LOVE YOUR LOOK! THE OUTFIT, THE MAKEUP, THE HAIR, THE JEWLRY, IT ALL COMES TOGETHER AND JUST EVERYTHING ABOUT IT AAAAAAAAH YOU LOOK SO AMAZING I CANNOT LIKE DUDE THATS SO MY GOALS RIGHT THERE AGFYUIJHGFTYUIO

I remember making an alicorn OC. Her name was Atari and she was an absolute slayer at video games, but she focused so much on her gaming that she never learned magic. She literally can’t do anything except write poems and play video games. Her color pallet was rather normal, just black with a darker red and darker blue. I honestly don’t think she’s a Mary Sue, I just thought it’d be funny to have an alicorn that doesn’t know any magic at all.

@superfudge_69

2 ай бұрын

That’s pretty slay tbh I like the idea of her being such a gamer that she doesn’t even learn magic lol

mary sue is a paradox- seemingly "perfect" and "everyone loves them", yet, sometimes theyre despised for being so perfect, which makes them not perfect anymore

@dianacarinao6667

Жыл бұрын

I mean, you have a good point

@Karin-fj3eu

Жыл бұрын

Hmmm is that what happened to Mary Sue Pleasant in sims 2 or was that something else?

@every_planet_we_reach_is_dead

Ай бұрын

I've just realised that this is basically the premise of Tomie.

*raises hand* Guilty. I was so ashamed of my mary-sue ridden past that I became one of those haters. Now I literally don't care, and I have embraced my old Sonic mary-sue. It's just way more fun that way!

@LpsBagelSisters

Жыл бұрын

haha Love SNT!

@KellyLuvsYou

Жыл бұрын

💀 i had one and I am dead As a kid they had so many Braclets And there name was prob Mabel or Susan i hate little me :)

@KellyLuvsYou

Жыл бұрын

@@LpsBagelSisters same lol

@Suzune-P

Жыл бұрын

Your sonic oc looks awesome though!

@Mushybff

Жыл бұрын

I remember SNT! I loved all your SNT videos when I was little!

I had a glitter force (yes glitter force not precure) mary sue oc as a kid. She controlled earth, plant, air, life and animals. My friend made a counter oc to mine who controlled everything opposite to the... things? listed beforehand. They coulf fuse like steven universe characters to make a all holy godess who everyone loved. Hers was called 'lunala' and mine was called 'sol'.

@tsifirakiehl4250

Күн бұрын

I wonder how your friend feels about there being a legendary Pokémon named after her Glitter Force OC?

My oldest oc started out as a Sonic fan character. Visually she was quite plain, the Sue-ness was in her significance to the Sonic universe and characters. She was the last iteration of the ultimate lifeform before Shadow, was best friends with Maria, and was ejected to Earth for being too much of a rebellious free-thinker. She could run almost as fast as Sonic, climb walls like Knuckles, and take an insane beating before tapping out of a fight. She was plucky and selfless but also got to be angsty over being an artificial lifeform and losing Maria. And of course, Shadow was SUPER into her and constantly picking a fight with and/or trying to seduce her, despite her having absolutely zero interest in anything to do with him.

I remember being dogpiled when i was, like, 10 by older teens and just actual grown-ass adults who were mad about my "Mary-Sues". It's so sad how kids like me, who were just trying to have fun and create something, were and still are treated. I never let it get to me but I know there's others like me who were discouraged from creating because people can't just let kids be kids =(

@succubunnie

Жыл бұрын

I faced the exact same issue but I was 12. It’s easy to be brutal when you can hide behind a screen.

@firstnamelastname7244

Жыл бұрын

God, I hate it when people do that. Like, wow, you're better at writing nuanced characters than an elementary schooler who likes warrior cats. Congratulations.

@L0rdOfThePies

Жыл бұрын

The same thing happened to me and often continues to happen to me because of my cringe content on my channel (some very sad people on the internet go to my channel as they have no good argument points left :-( oh no ) I lived through the days of sans fangirls cringe comps and i often had people come to my pages on defunct art apps to tell me my ocs are bad and my art looks like shit ..so everytime i come across a young artist nowerdays i usually cheer them on and tell them exactly what i liked about their art, im sure y'all know they appreciate it :-) the next generation of artists needs love so that they dont turn out the same way me and a few of my friends did. Even if harassing a kid doesnt effect you it hurts them long term

@Ourxz

Жыл бұрын

Holy shit, I hope ur ok

@Keyndoriel

Жыл бұрын

I dont wanna say I "get" kids bullying eachother, but christ you'd think grown ass people would have something better to do than bully someones first writing project

i used to love jokingly making mary sue ocs like they're so fun to make since you don't have to follow any form of "rules"

@esthershih5575

Жыл бұрын

no same. I just wanted to insert my mary sue OCs into whatever show i wanted and rewrite the plot around them lmfao

@rolboo6158

Жыл бұрын

I miss making joke mary sue ocs, like, they were so fun to design;;

@methequin7239

Жыл бұрын

i still do that, i love drawing stupidly over the top characters! can highly recommend

@rolboo6158

Жыл бұрын

@@methequin7239 Now I kinda wanna do that

@jolterian

Жыл бұрын

@@rolboo6158 i’m gonna do it lol

this was such a healing watch, i still vaguely remember my mary sue

I love when you graft gemstones onto yourself.

There’s something truly endearing in my opinion about the fact that people who are now in their 50s, 60s, possibly even older were making these types of characters over half a century ago. It goes to show how similar we all are when it comes to certain things and how whilst so much has changed, nothing has changed at the same time. For all you know, the little old lady down the street who you talk to sometimes could have a lord of the rings Mary Sue oc that she made in her teens who is Legolas’ wife and who could take down dragons with her bare hands . We really are an incredible species.

@ranaevalentine9876

Жыл бұрын

Technically Dante's Inferno is the first fanfiction and the author literally inserts himself into the story, so this kind of thing has been going on for eons.

@grell5108

Жыл бұрын

@@ranaevalentine9876 oh yeah... That book was a trip! I don't do drugs but it would be sooooo fun to read it to a bunch of baked people and just hearing their thoughts on it

@QJ89

Жыл бұрын

It's funny to think that the modern concept of Mary Sue started out a Star Trek satire, but is now taken so seriously that it has reached total derision. A middle-aged Massachucetts man worked so hard on his young female OC for decades, based on a modern-day Joan of Arc, that he's convinced himself that Theresa is the farthest thing from a Mary Sue, when to every-one else...!

@nondescriptcat5620

Жыл бұрын

@@ranaevalentine9876 even further back, the Aeneid is basically an Iliad/Odyssey fanfic where the Trojans are the heroes.

@atanvardecunambiel8917

Жыл бұрын

@@nondescriptcat5620 So an Achaean-bashing fic?

I had the idea for a “villain” OC that would intentionally be an edgy neon over-the-top Mary Sue and the way they’d be “defeated” is by erasing their over-the-top traits from a book where said traits are written. EDIT: To elaborate, the idea was that there would be this book that makes anything written in it become real, and some random average joe uses this book and writes so much ridiculous stuff that they become the aforementioned over-the-top villain OC.

@karak962

Жыл бұрын

I LOVE THIS

@RockBandHyenaOfficial

Жыл бұрын

@@karak962 Lmao thank you

@PaniOrange

Жыл бұрын

There's an anime called Re:Creators which has a similar plot, where someone's ridiculously OP edgy OC that was popular online became real and gained more power each time someone created fanart or made a fanfic about her. It's pretty fun haha.

@Phonysire

Жыл бұрын

PERFECT OMG CLAIM THIS BEFORE SOMEONE STEALS

@clue-by-four

Жыл бұрын

wait this reminds me of that amazing world of gumball episode lol

My sister and I used to play this game with our toys called silverhorn island and I had this unicorn toy that I named moonsilver she was pretty much a female version of star swirl from mlp and could do absolutely anything with her magic I remember one session of the game my sister just made all her characters think moonsilver wasn't real in some sort of attempt to power trip me

I don't really draw OCs let alone Mary Sue's, but I daydream them ALL THE TIME. When I listen to music, I'll often start daydreaming a character in an action scenario that is uber powerful and beats all the villains in every piece of fiction.

@michaelc908

7 ай бұрын

Same lol

I had a Sue for a while that I absolutely adored. He was a super famous singer that sang solely Fall Out Boy and Panic! at the Disco, despite his story taking place in 1982. His name was Michael if I'm remembering correctly, and he frequently got possessed by some overpowered spirit during concerts that would go out of its way to attempt to murder everyone who attended. funny thing is, I never really let go of this character, and have put a massive amount of effort into un-sue-ifying him. It's not perfect yet, but there's definitely been improvement lmao.

@kiyavi

Жыл бұрын

Ahhhhh I love it!!

@chocobear4078

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, the idea of a famous singer being constantly possessed by a murderous spirit is hilarious to me. It could work as a comedy.

@TheAbigailDee

Жыл бұрын

There IS SUCH A FUN STORY HERE I see why you've held on to him

@ohnoitsthetrash128

Жыл бұрын

@@chocobear4078 That’s a good idea! I think one of the reasons the original story kinda failed is because it took itself WAY too seriously. Maybe dark comedy would be more fitting!

@lananahapetian3735

Жыл бұрын

Already love the description, it's a very good setup for a fun dynamic between Micheal and his "spirit".

this is such an amusing repeating pattern in human behavior. a lot of Ancient Chinese stories are just people writing mad fanfic, making all their favourite historical figures insanely powerful and successful.

@help9737

Жыл бұрын

I had no idea Abt that but that's literally the best thing

@borjaslamic

Жыл бұрын

I mean Beowolf isn't any better

@missing_name

Жыл бұрын

I never thought about it like that but in all honesty, you’re right 😂

@keshagriffin3375

Жыл бұрын

Beowulf is just bad fanfic

@teethcoat4274

Жыл бұрын

I love dorky ancient writers

When Izzy said "accidentally killed my parents as a child" I had to pause for a hot minute since one of my main characters, a 12 year old Japanese demon girl who can skip realities with a weird adoptive family, has that as her backstory- She also fits in with the edgy Mary Sue category... I'm never growing out of my childhood dreams at this point-

My first OC I'm proud of is a little fox called Peanut. I wanted to use her for multiple Fandoms, so I made her able to travel between universes and aware of there being multiple universes. She's an extrovert who loves to make new friends. She travels between universes by finding cracks where two universes closely touch, and just traveling through them. To balance her out, she can die, but when she does, every other version of her in other universes gets to experience it too, with all their senses! Oh, and also she's way to trusting and while she does have solutions and seems to know a lot, she still doesn't seem to get she can't trust people. Another flaw she has is She's extremely emotional, and let's her emotions control her. I ran her through a Mary sue thing and it said she was borderline a Mary sue, so I also tacked on that she can't really fight, she just attacks like a cyote/fox and does get beat up a lot. And I also clarified that while people can be attracted to her friendly personality, people who don't like extroverts won't like her.

Being 28 and watching this rly resurfaced so many memories and emotions. I used to make OCs which were basically self-inserts back in 2005-2012, then after I graduated high school I decided “f*ck it” and went full-throttle into self inserts and I haven’t looked back since then. So if anyone is reading this and feeling like you’ve missed your chance to make “cringy OCs/self inserts”, it is not too late at all! Please make anything and everything that makes you happy!! Adult life sucks and literally drawing my self inserts interacting w/ my fav characters (and shipping myself w/ a few of them who are appropriately aged for me) is prob one of the few things which make me feel pure, unbridled happiness and joy. Also!! You don’t need to create “well-written and thought out OCs/self-inserts” either. You can make stuff just cuz it makes you happy. You can make things just because you think a character is hot and you wanna create romantic interactions. There doesn’t have to be a “good reason” for them to exist. They can just exist.

@emilyroan8106

Жыл бұрын

Turns out existence is suffering and fiction is our way of coping. Who knew? Do what you want. You only have like maybe 80 or so years to do so.

@morganwentworth2041

Жыл бұрын

You've unlocked the inspiration I needed to get back into writing, please accept this heart-felt thank you

@auqustfire

Жыл бұрын

Literally me lol. The only difference between my OCs now and my OCs back then is that they're older and might possibly follow the lore just a tiny bit more lmao.

@TheMeloettaful

Жыл бұрын

Me personally can't write good stories to save my life. But it doesn't stop me from IMAGINING my OC constantly in my head for Lord knows how many years 😆! I know for a fact he was inspired by the Princess Ai manga series. And is probably a close clone of Princess Ai with some differences and is male instead. Again I don't write stories at all (though I want to 😭), but rather just imagine different OC's and they just living in my head rent free forever lol 😂😭.

@TheHopperUK

Жыл бұрын

@@TheMeloettaful Hey-- write bad stories. Seriously:D if you want to write, write! Imagine you have a hundred crap stories in the end of your fingers - you gotta type those out to get to the good ones. Writing bad stories is *awesome*. DO IT. I command you.

The biggest Sue I ever created was a Tokyo Mew Mew OC. She was an Amur Leopard girl named Cocoa with a white, “ripped-up wedding dress” costume, and everything I wrote her in got _super_ dark (repressed trauma go!) She was such a blatant self insert that she’d even moved to Tokyo from the UK 😭 I think her weapon was a violin crossbow that could create huge lightning strikes/booms from the music. The reason I made her is pretty wholesome though. An ad came on TV about how badly endangered these leopards were and little 9 year old me took it as my personal duty to spread as much awareness as possible.

@anerrorhasoccurred8727

Жыл бұрын

Also, I’ve just remembered that she was the tsundere scientist’s childhood friend, but they reunited and fell in love as teenagers. LUCKILY that stayed a secret between me and Notepad bc I was too embarrassed to rp romance with other people, but _my god_ it haunts me 😭

@emexdizzy

Жыл бұрын

That's neat, the tidbit about caring about the endangered Amur leopard.

@microwavemad

Жыл бұрын

the violin crossbow idea is like. very cool

@Raexai

Жыл бұрын

So wholesome u.u

@lobstersonskateboards3988

Жыл бұрын

Honestly that violin idea sounds really cool. I could imagine something like that in a show

God this video took me back. I remember my first OC that I know realise was a Mary Sue. Her name was Ocean Hellfire she was a half demon princess, half human with bright blue hair and red eyes. She dressed all grunge and had a magical necklace from her mum who obviously died cause backstory. She could wield a legendary black sword, grow huge bat wings and fly, she could go full demon because of angst… oh yeah and she had a crush on my other OC Fang who was basically her in the reverse… half angel all good n stuff… God this was so cringe but I look back fondly on them, they were my first OCs I loved making and were the start of my passion for art and character design.

Omg I had a warriors oc named Nightclaw who was the most edgy character I had every made. She was a Siamese with the same missing eye as Brightheart, she had bangs covering one eye (of course) and she was “not like other cats”. She became leader of shadowclan because of course she did. Oh and also she had a tooth collar like Scourge even though she was a clan born cat. I recently just made an Arcane oc who’s just a chick working as a janitor at The Last Drop. Gotta love improvement.

Now that I’m older, I love Mary Sues, they’re often young people’s first foray into writing, it helps them learn to explore expressing themselves, and you get to be anything you want to be! That’s so cool! Who cares if it’s not pulitizer worthy? My friends and I had fun writing those characters and they have a soft spot in my heart 💕

@ratboygirl

Жыл бұрын

yeah same LOL it’s sorta like a right-of-passage for kids getting into art and/or writing. cringey? yeah sure but as long as they’re having fun that’s all that matters ^^ eventually they’ll learn how to flesh out a character a bit more and make them more interesting and balanced but until then, i never want to discourage them from creating just because it’s “cringe”

@MizuhanaVT

Жыл бұрын

@@ratboygirl kinda debatable. We can see from a lot of artists and writers post Mary Sue after very stringent block and harassment policies came into play, their work simply never improves or in some cases continually gets worse. Harassment is never ok but criticism isn't harassment and a lot of criticism has become impossible to give because it's labeled harassment.

@ratboygirl

Жыл бұрын

@@MizuhanaVT i never said anything about harrassment/criticism? but like i agree with you in a way. on the other hand tho unsolicited advice will not be taken regardless my comment was moreso targetted at those ppl who make "cringe compilations" and it's literally just a video of young people's art and stories. of course they're not gonna be good, they'll find out later lol. until then let them have fun

@MizuhanaVT

Жыл бұрын

@@ratboygirl Never said you did mention harassment or criticism but I felt it was important to say I wasn't defending it since they was a sizable portion of the video and why critiquing it was bad.

@ratboygirl

Жыл бұрын

@@MizuhanaVT sorry friend i don’t do well with tone over text :)

I made a Mary Sueh-ish character just to make her the dead elder sister of my main OC, so her perfectness was more of a twisted memory of a young grieving girl

@daddycool7316

Жыл бұрын

actually love that that’s super interesting

@breepurple5501

Жыл бұрын

@@daddycool7316 oh thank you!

@supergeeky7529

Жыл бұрын

love that idea!!!!

@delreydaddy5810

Жыл бұрын

tbh a good OC driving force, this kinda "you must be as perfect as your sister was" energy, but also since the character is dead, their "perfectness" may be plausible and just a glorified memory of a lost closed one

@arambles1

Жыл бұрын

Omori moment

This video made me realize that my Dreamworks Trolls OC (and yes, I am indeed referring to those tiny, glitter-loving critters who make fart jokes. I made the character when I was a bit younger and a bit more into the franchise than I am now) is not only a somewhat self-insert, but also a bit of a “mary sue”. She’s a half troll-half fairy lab expirament with magic powers, and I used to ship her with Creek (not anymore tho, I now don’t think she’s really into dating). She’s also disabled (deformed leg and inability to use her hair like other trolls), and lives on the outskirts of Pop Village in a really cool house. She actually first came from a dream of mine where she was playing a version of hockey that used pillows instead of pucks, and I have kept her liking the strange sport as a character trait despite not actually knowing how to play hockey myself 😅. I still kinda care about her from time to time as I don’t completely hate Trolls and think she’s cool, but not as much as I used to. Edit: Her name was Pepper btw (don’t know where that name came from, but I think it’s cute)

I remembered an two oc called "The witch cat" and his daughter, he's a witch cat (Oh don't tell me cherlock homes) he is basically one of the most powerful beings in the universe that I created, only being below the gods and technically his daughter, he has the appearance of a white cat with golden eyes and a witch's hat and cape, and from what I remember, I think his claws were golden, he can be considered a Mary Sue because he is very powerful, and his daughter is literally the Mary Sue of Mary Sues, I think her name was Anastácia or something like that, she was identical to her father in terms of appearance, she had the standard Mary Sue personality, but she doesn't know how to speak, and she had the most powerful power you can imagine, this cat can MAKE PORTALS TO GO WHEREVER SHE WANTS, and you think "Oh but that's not much", and you're right, the problem is how this literal animal made the portals, she RIPPED THE FABRIC OF THE UNIVERSE TO OPEN THE PORTALS, she could also create universes, and manipulate what happens in that universe, she could literally be the GOD of a universe, The problem is that she's 4 years old and she doesn't know how to create universes yet, Thanks to this video, Anastácia will be in the series because I'm not going to exclude her yay 👏👏👏

I've made several edgy mary sues in my childhood, and so seeing kids do the same makes me realize that mary sue ocs are just another step towards making great characters and stories. Essentially, if you're a young artist and/or writer, you have the power to do anything so make your edgy ocs with every elemental power and weird color schemes. You can make super complex new york times bestsellers later, just embrace what you have now, because your angel-demon-nekos are yours and yours only.

@mmarceline3

Жыл бұрын

YESS

I have a sister who is quite a bit younger than me who is just getting into character creation. I absolutely refuse to use the term Mary Sue no matter how Sue-ish her characters may be. I think she needs encouragement, not put downs. Who knows, that character may be important to her and grow and change as she grows. I want my sister to have fun with her world building and if that means a horrible OP sparkle dog has to be the main character for a while, so be it. We all have that one OC that has been with us since the beginning and has developed over time.

@feral_nim

Жыл бұрын

honestly people care WAY TOO MUCH about the so-called 'quality' of others' work. you're doing an amazing thing; the beauty in art should be the passion and creativity someone feels, not their results, and it's so sweet that you're helping build confidence in and passion of writing with your sister!!!

@Barbecue_baconburger

Жыл бұрын

THAT'S ALSO MY SISTER😭😭😭

@killerzombie2171

Жыл бұрын

I’ll admit..that’s true hell I STILL have the first two I made..one gone on to be my avatar and become the nickname for me via online friends but the best part is how I managed to make them go from how they were to how they are currently (example the first one ever having the typical playboy ideal…to now having that ideal out of personal issues and just simply needs someone to just remind himself that he has people that can hear him out)

@luciellawliet

Жыл бұрын

My very first oc is a testimony to my hopes and dreams (before I even realized them) and longing, as well as very few of the things about me that have stayed consistent over the years. The consistency is a big thing because I grew up in a very unstable environment and I’ve gotten really fucked up from it and I don’t really know who I am, I don’t have a consistent sense of self if any at all, and it’s very troubling. For many years I only had them and my own imagination as an escape from the constant abuse I went through. They’re quite cringe and they started off as a self insert, but now they’re their own person (although there are still things about them that represent some of my thoughts and feelings ofc) and I’ve uhh dulled them down a little (they’re just not as over the top anymore and I fixed a few things for balance but they’re still incredibly op [but given they’re an old eldritch being I think that makes sense]), but they’re still pretty cringy. But that’s ok, I’m cringe too and I love them. They will always hold a special place in my heart, they were there for me since basically the beginning (I was super super young, like maybe 5-7 I think? Perhaps even younger but around that age I believe)

@witchtale3159

Жыл бұрын

I definitely know I’ve had a character since I was about 4-5 years old, they were kind of just in my head doing all these different things and going on adventures. I remember I changed them up a bit after I discovered Undertale in 2017. I’ve developed them A LOT since then, I’ve changed their design quite a bit 3 times. I’m not even sure they’re the same character I had when I first made them, they do still look very faintly reminiscent of them though. I mentioned Undertale because I decided I loved it and the fandom enough that I wanted to dedicate them to it, I made multiple stories for them as they developed and I finally finished one that (I think) makes sense and fits in to the fandom and canon world of Undertale perfectly. Their name is Amethyst Zane and she is my profile picture :) I’ll be happy to share details about them if anyone wants to know anything, even stuff about _why_ I think they fit perfectly into the world of Undertale :D

I made several Mary Sue’s as a kid, but because they were all in the same story they actually canceled each other out.

@markthesapphicdumpsterfire1745

Жыл бұрын

Accidental Writing tips for when you just don’t care and write Mary Sue’s into your stories: Make every main character one, just make their power focus on one element or thing, different one for each, and you should be all good!