Alright, all my university work is now totally finished, therefore hopefully I can slip back into the old two videos a week routine and the next essay will be on Superman Man of Tomorrow!

@pance_9912

3 жыл бұрын

Woo-hoo! Congratulations, that's a big deal!!

@dcmarvelcomicfans9458

3 жыл бұрын

I can't wait for your Superman review

@katherinealvarez9216

3 жыл бұрын

6:28 yeah, I was one of those people who didn't like this Mary Jane and it started when she left her fiance at the alter.

@keylakettlemjardim8282

3 жыл бұрын

Man, that Superman movie is awesome

@Dagenspear

3 жыл бұрын

I think Raimi MJ had a life that showcased her issues, goals, aspirations, development. And that's just her in the first movie. I think Michelle is snarky and likes Peter.

That first seconds made me realize that it's been almost 2 years since Stan Lee died

@SourRobo8364

3 жыл бұрын

😢😢😭😭😭

@hepty3179

3 жыл бұрын

I just don’t know how to continue remembering that.

@Thespeedrap

3 жыл бұрын

I can't believe it myself but hey he left before Covid showed up.So you never know.

@L16htW4rr10r

3 жыл бұрын

Im sad now. :(

@horseoperamarker

3 жыл бұрын

rip

People have to remember zendaya isn't playing Mary Jane Watson she's playing Michelle Jones. Thanks for all the likes I never had this many before I think the most i got is 300 likes.

@zapunknown

3 жыл бұрын

I really don’t know why people forget that I haven’t even watched the new movies but when I learned it wasn’t Mary Jane I remembered it despite I didn’t watch the movies with her so for people who know her character I don’t understand how they forget that

@batmanrocks6727

3 жыл бұрын

It's not that hard to remember; they just have the same initials, that's it. When you think about it, people are mostly just complaining about them having the same initials, that's it. I remember hearing this news story before Stan Lee passed away; Zendaya was reamed out online because of her skin color, as everyone thought she was going to play Mary Jane Watson. Stan Lee stepped in, and you know you're in trouble if he steps in. He said, 'What I hear is she is a very talented actress. Don't judge her by her skin color; give her a chance.

@RigzisRoman

3 жыл бұрын

I just went with it because she said to her friends to call her MJ

@pinoybalut1556

3 жыл бұрын

Ik, but Tom and Zendaya's chemistry is perfect

@batmanrocks6727

3 жыл бұрын

@@pinoybalut1556 this would probably break the chemistry. Tom thinks peter Parker should be gay. I can't picture a gay spiderman

Ironic that Amazing Spider-Man Gwen was more like comics MJ.

@mikemorro140

3 жыл бұрын

Hilariously enough most newer versions of Gwen are like MJ

@williamalbatross4677

3 жыл бұрын

No she wasn’t wtf

@themadtitan7603

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, Gwen was always the dull love interest while MJ was funnier and more charming.

@cynthiaking9480

3 жыл бұрын

yep

@themadtitan7603

3 жыл бұрын

@Imaru Lewis A more accurate comparison would be Kirsten Dunst and Bryce Dallas Howard as Emma Stone is a natural blond who just changes her hair to red. Also Michelle isn't even MJ, let alone an interpretation her initials are merely a nod to the character.

As a current teen girl, I’ll just say this: MJ is a really accurate depiction of current teenagers. That’s why we like her. She’s familiar to us because she’s like us. The amount of teen girls obsessed with true crime is kinda crazy, and I’m one of them too. I think we all went through a Black Dahlia phase. And her whole demeanor and aesthetic is appealing too. If she were in my class, I wouldn’t question it. I’ve seen the SJW complaints and the “she’s too edgy” complainants, but honestly, I don’t think either of those are entirely accurate. It’s a bit annoying that whenever someone just does something slightly deviating from a socially accepted norm, they’re either weird or edgy. When I think of edgy, I think of a person who writes self insert creepypasta fan fiction with themselves in a relationship with Jeff the killer while they complain in the author’s note about how school is just legal torture or something insane like that. MJ likes true crime, sits kinda alone at lunch, and wears more boyish clothing and boom, she’s too edgy apparently. I guess that maybe there’s a generational disconnection between those who love MJ and those who hate her. Then again, she was meant to appeal to and fit in with gen z so I’m not shocked that older people may not enjoy her.

@PredatorH2O

3 жыл бұрын

@Bobo Boy That's the damn point.

@raidoukuzonoha883

3 жыл бұрын

Bobo Boy not everything has to be comic accurate they’re allowed to change stuff it’s their free will if they want to do it

@jasonsjustbetter2037

3 жыл бұрын

@Bobo Boy thats the fucking point

@lindseysquire8417

3 жыл бұрын

Right? She seems like she could be in my friend group, and I'm in high school.

@coopsxo5877

3 жыл бұрын

ikr!! it’s so cool that she seems so similar to me, and many other girls around her age.

MJ’s role in Andrew Garfield movies: nonexistent

@fanboy5272

3 жыл бұрын

She was deleted from the final product

@eyesack2007

3 жыл бұрын

@@fanboy5272 yee

@beeez2127

3 жыл бұрын

Wait really?

@isaiahbragg4207

3 жыл бұрын

@@beeez2127 Yep! Shailene Woodley (Beatrice from the Divergent film franchise) was cast as the role and you can find some images of her as MJ online.

@peterparker1683

3 жыл бұрын

@Maximus Prime Spectacular is the only adaptation to get her right

my one complain with Zendaya's MJ is that she just doesnt seem to have a full life in compasrison to peter...we literally know nothing about her family and her life and that makes her seem a little unreal even though Zendaya brings out amazing personality out of that character......and Kirsten's MJ in Raimi trilogy felt like a real person because we saw her whole life, her family, her friends, her social life alongside Peter and she felt like she and peter were a pair

@markhendley5559

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe because mj is a high-school student and hasn't lived much hence she is creating her story. Raimi mj was supposed to be 18 and felt like she was in her late twenties. The movies are structured differently age wise.

@mrinalmrinalinee5373

3 жыл бұрын

It's not over yet. There's time to explore her past, her story. She has a life different from others. But I like the story for now. MJ is meant to be supportive, not leaving Peter alone where he needed her.

@Heartbrayk.

3 жыл бұрын

The first movie in the MCU's interpretation of Spiderman, was our first introduction to the MCU's Peter. His relationship with Tony helps establish his character. Anything extra not just with MJ but any other character would of felt like fluff and out of place, in my opinion. Hence no Jameson in Homecoming...

@static8813

3 жыл бұрын

@@markhendley5559 Even in high school you can have dreams, goals, and a family(which is something for any age) honestly the defense people always jump to with these films are the characters are too young as if at least half the complaints have anything to do with age

@static8813

3 жыл бұрын

@@mrinalmrinalinee5373 it's been two films

When it comes to Raimi Mary Jane one thing I really liked about her was how she has a full life outside of Peter. Sure they keeping coming back into one another’s lives, but we get to watch as Mary Jane tries to live out her dreams of stardom starting out at the bottom in the original film as a waitress, getting used in billboard ads and plays in the sequel, and getting a short stint on broadway in the third film before ending up back where she started as a waitress/lounge singer. It’s not often you see a superhero film let the love interest live like that. As for Michelle, what she lacks in depth, she makes up for in personality. I love how unapologetically herself she is. She keeps some stuff under wraps sure, but for the most part it isn’t really a front. That’s just how she is.

@castrovr8083

3 жыл бұрын

I hope we get some backstory of mcu mj in future

@markhendley5559

3 жыл бұрын

She's in high-school. Its not like she has a lot of back story. Create her story.

@Isabel-zt7mw

3 жыл бұрын

@Kingdrago101 lmao did you just say Zendaya isn't good looking?

@kristitaylor123

3 жыл бұрын

@Kingdrago101 Built like a boy? A girl doesn't need a big ass or giant jugs to be feminine? She got a vagina? She's a woman. She looks like a woman. End of. Or do you think a guy with no muscles, a big butt and a small dick looks like a chick? Of course not.

@CassidyStarke

3 жыл бұрын

Kingdrago101 Isn’t she 16-17 in the MCU? Why does she need to be sexy? Especially if the only thing they’re doing is going to school.....

It just hit me that the only reason I liked Gwen’s character so much in the Amazing Spider-Man was because she was practically Mary Jane

@xwhatxio1457

3 жыл бұрын

oml your right

@bryanrogers5648

3 жыл бұрын

@Krisynthia Gomez They would've brought back Shailene Woodley cuz the cut her out of 2.

@mohamedfawzy3458

3 жыл бұрын

@Krisynthia Gomez that would be amazing to see emma stone in two potential roles. And i think if they bring her as m.j that would make Peter trying to convince her about their relationship and at first she will ignore him. And then they have a deep relationship and then Peter gets some flashbacks about gwen and how when he looks to m.j he sees gwen inside her and thinks that he betray gwen and her father and himself with MJ and then at the end after mary jane gots kidnapped the destiny started to change after gwen's famous speech and instead of mj gets killed;they killed aunt may by peter's archenemies and then after that peter gets the black symbiote suit that changes his morality and then he gets revenge for his aunt may,uncle ben,his ex-girlfriend and her father and also Peter's parents from the sinister six who all have some old enemies who killed peter's most beloved people.

@rewriter3981

3 жыл бұрын

I like gwen stacy wayyy more in everything

@mohamedfawzy3458

3 жыл бұрын

@@rewriter3981 I want to hear your opinion about my own plot for andrew Garfield's amazing spider man 3 and does my comment make the amazing spider man 3 movie better or it will become garbage.

Raimi's MJ as a victim of time is such a good point. "I'm not obsessive just observant" is my favorite line of Zendaya's MJ lol ooh like that point about her being a mirror to him and the acceptance and joy they find in each other. Great essay!

@sonicdihedgehog1

3 жыл бұрын

Really not it.

@leftalone64

3 жыл бұрын

Zendaya’s MJ is a good character just not a good MJ. If they gave her a unique name instead of the same initials as Mary Jane I would like her more as her own character.

@ardaagaik9136

3 жыл бұрын

bettyreads Just gonna pusht the fact that her name is Michelle Jones really quickly hehe

@jdrummerdd

3 жыл бұрын

@@leftalone64 i mean or you can just grow up lol

@leftalone64

3 жыл бұрын

@@jdrummerdd wtf do you mean by that. Is it because I have a different opinion than yours so I by definition must be a “child”. I think you might be the one who needs to “grow up” instead

i know that tom holland's mj is very different from the other mj's and that the actress does a great job at portraying her character, but the only thing running through my mind when i saw her on screen was "OMG IT'S ZENDAYA"

@Pllayer064

3 жыл бұрын

Ye she's a cutie

@Hope-si1kb

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think Zendaya does a good job at that type of character though. Don't get me wrong I love her, but there's just something off about her acting for me when she portrays MJ. I think maybe it's not her casting type or something cause I think she's amazing in the Greatest Showman

@thecharlieramirez

3 жыл бұрын

SAAAAAAAAAME

@reesafield7401

3 жыл бұрын

@@Hope-si1kb OMG someone who's not blindsided. I literally tried to say this before about her acting and Zendaya fans attacked me and said I was "jealous". in my personal opinion she's very bland when it comes to acting

@daidara1462

3 жыл бұрын

@@reesafield7401 Watch Euphoria brodie

Sam Rami's MJ in concept was perfect in my opinion, even though she didn't have the screen time for her story to fully develop. She's the girl next door, coming from a broken home longing to be seen. Therefore, she puts on the party girl-persona to be popular and get seen. However, what she truly wants is to act on stage and get seen by everyone, something she keeps hidden inside until Peter asks her about her dreams. That's why she falls for him, because he's the first one who shows that he really sees her and cares. On the outside she might seem like Peter's opposite in many ways, but on the inside they are both outsiders. That's why she works, even though she at first might seem like a screaming damsel in distress to most

@Cj-xt6tv

3 жыл бұрын

That’s pretty much the comics interpretation

@wilhelmtheconquerer6214

3 жыл бұрын

@@Cj-xt6tv yeah, they said so in the video that Sam Rami's films took a loot from the comics

@Cj-xt6tv

3 жыл бұрын

@@wilhelmtheconquerer6214 yeah I’d say spectacular Spider-Man did it best

@Bruhface0019

3 жыл бұрын

Some person in the comments section says they like mcu mj

@wilhelmtheconquerer6214

3 жыл бұрын

MoreThan1alent you have me a bit confused, but granted that I understand you correctly - of course there are, and even though I don’t agree that’s perfectly fine with me. Like the video explains, there’s two main ways to interpret the MJ from the comics: either as she is, or as what she’s was created to represent in the present day society she lives in. I’d argue that my explanation does both, based on my own experiences, both personal, friends and even girls I’ve dated. I’ve always been “Peter”, the one who cares about others dreams and wellbeing, etc, often at the cost of my own mental health but acting like normal and nothing’s wrong, and lot’s of people I’ve been there for have been “MJs”. People who are a complete different person in public just too feel seen and accepted. That’s why the Rami-trilogy resonates with me to this day, so granted there’s a lot of personal bias in my opinion

Comic MJ: Sweet, loving, caring wife who is the iconic love interest of Peter Raimi MJ: Confused young woman who doesn't know what she wants and loving, but has relationship and commitment issues MCU MJ: Funny, sarcastic wise cracking love interest who is awkward, but seems a good match for Peter when she warms up

@troymcclure681

3 жыл бұрын

You're obviously not a true spider man fan Mary Jane is a happy , popular party girl, not some mixed edge Lord , who is snarky and into weird stuff 🤦 please educate yourself

@PredatorH2O

3 жыл бұрын

@@troymcclure681 What are you talking about?

@fifthcolumn388

3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if MJ was just supposed to be relatably current. Early 2000’s current and relatable was fractured families and finding out these things give us problems throughout our lives, which is why MJ portrayed that. I think that fits more with the spirit of “friendly neighborhood Spider-Man” because she’s partly there to represent the state of the neighborhood, and he’s there with her trying his best because he cares regardless of which version she is depending on the time period because it’s always his neighborhood and she’s always MJ.

@kaineskeptic6484

3 жыл бұрын

@@troymcclure681 Accuses someone of not being a true Spider-man fan...doesnt hyphenate. LOL

@CoolJoshido212

3 жыл бұрын

predator H2O hes mad MJ is black

My favorite non-comics version of Mary Jane is probably in Spectacular Spider-Man. She seemed like a good counterpart to Peter that was more socially smart like him. Flirty and wise, but she also had some vulnerabilities. The best part is that she wasn't even a romantic interest at that point.

@trishahernz7809

3 жыл бұрын

She probably won’t. Supposedly Peter officially ends up with Gwen.

@gama103

3 жыл бұрын

@@trishahernz7809 Nah man, Peter was gonna end up with Mary Jane, that's what is interesting about their relationship. They were gonna build it for 5 seasons and by the end of it Peter and MJ were gonna be together

@willfanofmanyii3751

3 жыл бұрын

The writer for the show did say that if they were able to do three more seasons, the final season would have had Peter and MJ in college and married.

@oldmanlogan9616

3 жыл бұрын

WillFanofMany II I wish we got to see that :/

@zemox2534

3 жыл бұрын

The only version of MJ that is faithful to the comics.

Emma Stone's Gwen was the ultimate girlfriend in spider man movies

@anuragrai612

3 жыл бұрын

Nah

@wanderingsoul1551

3 жыл бұрын

True

@ohifonlyx33

3 жыл бұрын

Yup. Whatever you think about the movies in general, she and Peter had a great vibe... they were both nerds with a sense of humour and great rapport. She was sweet and brave, and she took an active part in helping Peter.

@kashhh_bxby8200

3 жыл бұрын

I really hope Gwen is badass and becomes spider Gwen if she’s in no way home

@Ckproduction03

3 жыл бұрын

It’s the best relationship in any of the Spider-Man films despite what anyone thinks of the movie

You forgot the Shailene Woodley interpretation - the one where Mary Jane doesn't exist!

@johnelmartagbago3764

3 жыл бұрын

*That's just sad* 😂😂

@cynthiaking9480

3 жыл бұрын

I wish we could have seen her as MJ Shailene is an amazing actress

@ofcrgry

3 жыл бұрын

@@cynthiaking9480 The 2018 PS4 game is the closest we can get: www.reddit.com/r/Spiderman/comments/g685m6/mj_in_the_ps4_game_reminds_me_a_lot_of_shailene/

@patrickacosta7031

3 жыл бұрын

We don't like to talk about that lol

@cynthiaking9480

3 жыл бұрын

@@patrickacosta7031 We should. I wanted to see her take but no Sony likes to erase people that don't fit their agenda.

I'm so glad when I see people who understand MCU's approach to Spidey - they change stuff drastically but still they preserve the core; they translate the original spirit to the language of the current times. Therefore there're things that seem extremely different at first glance but they're actually familiar if you're willing to look deeply instead of fighting the changes

@knowitall1005

2 жыл бұрын

True ,the core of MCU MJ is same as Comics MJ

@Ncholasbloom

2 жыл бұрын

@@knowitall1005 really so in the early comics was she distant towards peter

Ah yes. Sketching people in crisis. 👍🏴

@castrovr8083

3 жыл бұрын

If I want to do that, I'll just look in the mirror

@T-Jex

3 жыл бұрын

It was so bizarre to see Hannibal from the Erick Andre Show.

@looniemoonie5955

3 жыл бұрын

I am willing to model for food 👍

@faqih9685

3 жыл бұрын

Edgy af

@Maj_Kasul

3 жыл бұрын

@@looniemoonie5955 someone should model for you. I suspect you have skills.

I don't see Watts' MJ as an adaptation of Mary Jane Watson, in any possible way. I see the nickname MJ as just a nod. This is not criticism btw. I like Michelle very much. She's just isn't a Mary Jane adaptation

@jayfreeman5117

3 жыл бұрын

I feel the same way.

@zoser595

3 жыл бұрын

simonegreco I mean, even Kevin Feige confirmed that fact. She’s not Mary Jane, it just happens to have the same initials.

@PredatorH2O

3 жыл бұрын

Of course she's not an adaptation in the literal meaning of the word. But I think I agree with the video that she's basicaly the new "Mary Jane" .

@simonegreco1958

3 жыл бұрын

predator H2O if she turns out to be his soul-mate, maybe. Otherwise, no

@nope5657

3 жыл бұрын

Except, she literally is. She's an ADAPTATION. Chatacters are more than just their base traits. Thematically, symbolically, narratively, Michelle Jones is more aligned with comic MJ than Raimi's.

What I liked about the original character of MJ is that she put up an image but it wasn't really her. She hid alot of sadness. Alot of people including Peter thought she was a selfish person. She wore a mask that everyone believed. She ran away from the image she was and the feeling she had for Peter

@melissabennett4328

3 жыл бұрын

I think Michelle is putting on a mask too though. The movie isn't over yet, and we don't know her backstory, but it's clear that her sense of humor and her detachment from kids is purposeful. She is hiding her true feelings behind snarky remarks and a sarcastic personality.

One of my favorite observations about the Raimi films is that Mary-Jane and Gwen are switched. MJ is the sweet girl-next-door, while Gwen is the alluring fashion model. Plus of course, Dunst is naturally blonde while Howard is a redhead!

@randomgirl3492

3 жыл бұрын

Ha I never noticed that before lol!

Me thinking MJ stood for Michael Jackson the whole video: 👁👄👁

@garfieldweezermug4975

3 жыл бұрын

hEe HeE

@cazycat9171

3 жыл бұрын

Hee Hee!!💃🕺

@SADIE_Maybe_SADISTIC

3 жыл бұрын

HEE HEE~

@mesesakeekedo8190

2 жыл бұрын

Heeeee hhhhhhee

I watch this video essay once a year idk why but its extremely interesting

I feel the chemistry between Hollands Peter and MJ, while with Tobey and Dunst...it was more because this is the way it is in the comics.

@DanielRTSC

3 жыл бұрын

what was odd is that fact Peter did not show interest in her in the first movie. I feel they needed a crush for Peter, no matter who she or he is.

@ezioauditore7759

3 жыл бұрын

Noone beats Andrew and Emma.

@castrovr8083

3 жыл бұрын

@@ezioauditore7759 they're not I'm the talk. This is about Peter and mj, not Peter and gwen. While they did have great chemistry, this talk isn't about them.

@ezioauditore7759

3 жыл бұрын

@Castro VR am just saying in all of the on-screen portrayals of spiderman,i loved Peter and Gwen's relationship and chemistry the most.

@ezioauditore7759

3 жыл бұрын

@Castro VR dude just chill out theres like one actual response to this comment,the conversation can be about whoever we want it to be about. I am talking about spiderman relationships and character chemistry which is still kinda the base of that entire comment.

Imagine a Spiderverse movie with Tom Holland, Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield ist made: Tom: Man that girl MJ - she's the greatest, she helped me so much becoming the person I am Tobey: Yeah I used to love her, too - but it didn't work for us Andrew Who is this MJ person? I loved Gwenn and then I killed her trying to save her The other two: What are you talking about?

@marcusduck

3 жыл бұрын

these fan written dialogues have been consistently cringey. but I'll give you 5 pizza points for being grammatically correct. edit: wait no, never mind. I take that bad. it's just cringey

@richardgray1890

3 жыл бұрын

@@marcusduck Man, I’m dead 💀

@StillTendo

3 жыл бұрын

Cringe

@zzzcocopepe

3 жыл бұрын

Andrew's is more true to the original comics

@zzzcocopepe

3 жыл бұрын

@@marcusduck lol how is this cringy at all?

9:33 “she struggles to commit to her new self” is a very great way to put it. Her life doesn’t revolve around Peter Parker. She is growing as she’s getting closer to Peter. I love that

The Spectacular Spider-Man show had the best Mary Jane.

@mikemorro140

3 жыл бұрын

Spectacular had the best version of like every character to be fair

@yetz2291

3 жыл бұрын

It had the best Peter Parker too.

@viljar55

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed

@Don11037

3 жыл бұрын

In 90s show she helped spiderman beat hydroman

@amirk7837

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikemorro140 yea

Zendaya played a decent role, but remember she's not actually the character Mary Jane Watson. Only the Initials matched her name.

@Zvwry

3 жыл бұрын

Right

@sophie921

3 жыл бұрын

Actually marvel didn’t want the back lash of calling a woman of colour Mary Jane. So they changed it

@patrickacosta7031

3 жыл бұрын

@@sophie921 that is also true. Thanks for pointing that out

@xxMpEGxx

3 жыл бұрын

@@sophie921 wait, whats bad about calling a woman of colour Mary Jane?

@cati896

3 жыл бұрын

@@xxMpEGxx so many people practically shat themselves when they discovered that they were gonna make a black Little Mermaid. They probably just wanted to avoid am uproar/controversy

After Far From Home, I was completely sold on Peter and MJ. Their interactions and eventual relationship feel incredibly real and age appropriate in a way that most stories set in high school don’t capture. The actors’ chemistry works wonders, too, and may be the key for it coming across so well. Because it’s so successful in the sequel, it’s disappointing that they didn’t use MJ more effectively in Homecoming. While I enjoyed her vibe, she felt so divorced from the rest of the story. Better integrating her into Peter and Ned’s little circle of weirdos (without actually dragging her into Spidey related things) would have been appreciated. I liked Mary Jane in the Raimi trilogy fine enough, maybe more so because of Kirsten Dunst than anything else. Compared to MJ in Homecoming, she‘s way better integrated, but she absolutely feels like she exists as an object for Peter, a reward or a sacrifice, depending on the storyline. Her trajectory comes off as tragic in a way, like every step she takes away from Peter to be her own person results in some failure that brings her back to him. All in all, I enjoy the MCU MJ far more, despite the fact that we rarely get glimpses of her out of the context of her relationship to Peter. Her storyline feels so much more joyful than Raimi MJ’s, which seems ironic given that her personality is less outwardly warm. It puts a genuine smile on my face when I watch her and Peter together.

@mrsb50

3 жыл бұрын

giftofgab247 I agree that MCU MJ hasn’t been given enough to do and I want to see her have more opportunities to develop outside of the love interest/quirky comedy relief role. But for me, not having any strong ties to any particular past version of MJ-Raimi MJ was who I was most deeply exposed to, with the wet blanket MJ of the newspaper comics in a distant second-I like that they’re trying something different, not relegating her to the role of Professional Kidnappee and Screamer, even if it’s not completely nailing it from all angles. All due respect to Raimi and his aesthetic, but I could do with about 5000% fewer scenes featuring screaming women in his trilogy. I feel like the Raimi trilogy and the MCU Spideys can coexist without it needing to be a fight to the death. Like he said in the video, they have very different approaches and influences behind them. I’ve been enjoying the MCU ones more overall, but I still think the Raimi films are generally solid, with 1 and 2’s high points making up for a lot of 3’s missteps. I admit, though, now that they cast an age appropriate, likable actor in the role of Peter, it’s hard to go back to near-middle-age Toby Maguire and the storylines where he was at his most insufferable. But I know I’m in the minority there!

@xsanguine8

3 жыл бұрын

It's one of those things you don't really notice until someone points it out, but yeah, terrible things happen for both of them, whenever they get too far apart, and then when they get back together.

@RebootedGaming

3 жыл бұрын

giftofgab247 what character arc for Sam Raimi’s Mary Jane? Damsel in distress that flicks back and forth between wanting to be with Peter and not wanting to be with Peter?

@ForeverEliite

3 жыл бұрын

Rebooted Acceptance, self confidence, being confident in her own skin.

@ezioauditore7759

3 жыл бұрын

The MCU spiderman movies suck, they are entertaining but thats it. There's no absolutely no character arcs of any of the side characters and they are just there for a laugh every now and then. They are like robots that operate around their own little domain and dont effect the plot or the protagonist in anyway. Peter didnt care about MJ at all throughout the first movie and then suddenly in the second we are supposed to accept that he likes her now. There is no chemistry or spark either,it all feels soo forced and scripted. Who tf even is Ned. FFH did ruin the side characters more by introducing more of them but without any role except for comedy. But Homecoming didnt do a great job at it either. Even spiderman doesnt feel like spiderman,only his age is accurate. The Raimi movies MJ was irritating at times because but she was still a full developing,humane and flawed character. My favourite still was Gwen And Peter,you could see the chemistry between them and it was and still is the best portrayal of a modern spiderman. Spiderman PS4 and Spiderman 2 are still gold.

This video essay is quite brillant. "Sam Raimi's MJ is a victim of time". *cheff kiss* Kudos.

Since everyone's giving their opinion here's mine: the animated MJ's from the tv shows are the best MJ's.

@sonicadventuresx879

3 жыл бұрын

Specifically Spectacular SM, right?

@bryanrogers5648

3 жыл бұрын

@@sonicadventuresx879 Ah, my kind of people!

@amandaford9969

3 жыл бұрын

God I loved MJ in Spectacular Spider-Man 😄

I like Kirsten's MJ. She could have used a little more development, but I thought she was an interesting character.

I like MJ stepping out of her traditional feminine role with her edgy personality but I hate how she's portrayed as "Not like the other girls" . She's still one-dimensional. As the audience we don't see a lot of her wants and needs...personal conflict.

@bipbopblep

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, girls go through that phase as a teenager. As they grow older, teenage girls realize that there's nothing wrong with that. I hope that transition of Michelle's mindset gets adapted in the MCU Spider-man trilogies.

@user-wr9xm4zq2r

3 жыл бұрын

totally agree

@user-wr9xm4zq2r

3 жыл бұрын

@@bipbopblep teenage girls shouldn't go through that. It should not be a phase at all. It's a symptom of pitting girls against each other. And by having Michelle act that way at any point, we only further enforce it. I hope it's transitioned too but right now it's really disheartening to see.

@arandombard1197

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-wr9xm4zq2r It has nothing to do with pitting girls against each other. All teenagers rebel, and part of that is finding one's own identity. A lot of girls struggle to find their own personality or their own 'thing' so the quickest path to achieving that is to reject the norm and present yourself as 'not-the--norm' aka not like other girls. It's perfectly natural and something they all grow out in a few years.

@bipbopblep

3 жыл бұрын

@S Yup. Yup. Showing them the "not like other girls" trope and having Michelle grow out of that phase would help since you can't really solve a problem when there is no problem like how you want it to.

Great analysis! I also think it's worth mentioning that Peter’s and Mary Jane’s relationship in comics is unique to itself as well. Unlike in the films, their both strangers who meet on a blind date in college whose relationship grows from friendly acquaintances to a married couple. The point of Spider-Man was to create a character the audience could group along with. Peter and MJ’s relationship in the books is a reflection of that idea. Most people don’t end up with their childhood crush (Raimi) or get married to their high school boyfriend/girlfriend (MCU)...but for a lot of people, the person they end up with will most likely be a stranger. Someone who might’ve seemed like they fell out of the sky and/ or someone they might not have even considered beforehand (In Peter’s case - because of how different MJ was to him). Regardless, that’s how a lot of long-term relationships come to be. I've always liked that about comic Peter and Mary Jane and I wished the movies reflected that...

@Duiker36

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, MCU!Spidey isn't married yet. Maybe they'll break up in four movies and Gwen will arrive via Doctor Strange multiversal mayhem or something and they'll have a cross-dimensional relationship.

@KadenQuinnAgain

3 жыл бұрын

Michael Chui True😅 I misspoke but yeah, who knows what the Doctor Strange movie will bring?

@trishahernz7809

3 жыл бұрын

It also helped MJ wasn’t the love interest back then. She’s supportive and a great friend first before they dated.

@KadenQuinnAgain

3 жыл бұрын

trisha Hernz exactly! That’s part of what makes it so unique😄

@shockwavespider3942

2 жыл бұрын

That also goes for real life

ugh why is this video making me want to cry???? DAMN MY STUPID FEELINGS

Eh, I still prefer Gwen Stacey from the Garfield version over either MJ myself. She's just cuter to me and far more relatable. Not that I can't also relate to awkward MJ or anything, but it's suited more for teens. Gwen feels slightly more grounded and headstrong, but it all comes down to what we each like personally. Great video essay as always!

@Ranuyasha

3 жыл бұрын

I agree

@knowitall1005

2 жыл бұрын

She is not any comics gwen either and they were a late 20s couple and i like mcu MJ most

something interesting i found about Kirsten Dunst’s Mj is that each story as (i feel) her light goes out more, her hair gets less red. and as peter kind of grows into himself more, she loses herself more. idk if that even makes sense but yah

I prefer the new spider man, but he gwen from Andrew Garfield movie was way better than any MJ from the other movies

I found your channel through your videos on loki and I wanted to say that it makes me so happy watching your videos, keep it up

I still don't feel they got Mary Jane right in the movies. She should be more fearless and badass but they won't do that because she's only supposed to be the girlfriend and not actually do anything heroic herself that might supposedly lessen Peter's role.

@isiahblaise5245

3 жыл бұрын

which movies? I felt that overall she had a pretty active role in the movie during the last act since she was being hunted down.

@jaydenslaptop

3 жыл бұрын

Also she dropped a cinder block on venom so

@fuzzyx2face

3 жыл бұрын

Since I rewatched the raimi movies recently I can recall two times Mary Jane tried to help Spider-Man, she tried to sneak up behind dr octopus with a metal beam to attempt to hit him but his arms “saw” her coming, and in Spider-Man 3 she drops and cement block on venom from above while she’s suspended several stories above the ground tangled in his venom webbing or whatever you call it. So she did do some brave things when she had the chance to help

Maquires MJ was the girl next door Holland’s MJ was the girl in detention

@mothboi3262

3 жыл бұрын

Who is Maquire?

@Carlosdreamur

3 жыл бұрын

@@mothboi3262 Toby maguire from the first Spider-Man trilogy

I would love to see your take on Storm from the X-men films and how those movies kind of did defamation on the strong black female archetype that great actresses such as Angela Bassett and Pam Grier did in their iconic roles.

@troymcclure681

3 жыл бұрын

What a dumb comment

@justcuz2105

3 жыл бұрын

@@troymcclure681 explain why?

@macdemarcaroni883

3 жыл бұрын

@@troymcclure681 just stfu omfg😀

@dona_butterfly1830

3 жыл бұрын

@@troymcclure681 Ya forgot that this is video essay, not the movie review. Chill.

You nailed it perfectly I am absolutely in love with Zendayas and John Watts interpretation of MJ

Raimi's M.J. is my favorite.

I love Zendaya’s delightfully droll, snarky tsundere MJ. Zendaya is a great actress and she’s able to portray a lot through so little. The little looks she gives Peter here and there are so great to watch and analyze as they clearly convey that despite her icy exterior, she does care a lot about him and has for a long time. And it’s cute how much she lights up at the end of FFH when she puts herself out there and finally is reciprocated. I also love that she and Peter are so supportive of each other. She fully embraces him being a superhero with one brain cell and fights to help him and protect the others, and he doesn’t like her despite her interest in dark stuff, he likes her for it and encourages her to be open about it. That’s more genuine than half of the other romances I see in other shows or movies.

@thifanny7298

3 жыл бұрын

@Aariz Khan that's like comparing apples to ducks

@littlesparrow303

3 жыл бұрын

Yes thank you!! Michelle Jones is a better love interest than Mary Jane from the 1st & 2nd movie. Zendaya does a good job making the character more into a high schooler. Honestly her & Ned are better friends than MJ & Harry combined. I just hope in the 3rd movie Ned doesn’t turn to the Hob Goblin.

Personally I still like the Raimi version of Mary Jane. Say what you want, but I don't think she's as bad as people think she is.

@resikin

3 жыл бұрын

People forget that she doesn't know that Peter is Spider-Man, so in her eyes Peter was being a douche and not her.

@leohino9211

3 жыл бұрын

@@resikin Exactly. Plus in the first movie she realized that who she truly loved was Peter, but he pushed her away.

@fuzzyx2face

3 жыл бұрын

She’s awesome Kirsten is an underrated actress, she was so incredible in interview with the vampire at the age of 11 and she also awesome in all the Spider-Man movies. She’s a good singer too! She’s the only Spider-Man love interest to sing in the movies and it made me love her even more

@fightingmedialounge519

2 жыл бұрын

Except she doesn't really get much better when she learns Peter is Spiderman, so that defense doesn't really work. Also her cheating doesn't help her likebllity.

@leohino9211

2 жыл бұрын

@@fightingmedialounge519 Peter kissed Gwen Stacy in front of that audience and acted like it was no big deal.

That’s my fav of all your essays. Watching it again

Raimi's MJ was written to be more layered and a bit more truthful as the series went on, whereas Peter's characterization was an arc of maturity, learning three different lessons throughout the course, ultimately tying off as the two began to mend whatever flaws they themselves have. It's not just shown to each other, but to the audience as a whole. MJ came from a disruptive, damaged, non-loving background whereas Peter was raised with the exact opposite background. They're foils to each other. I'm not saying that people should root for her, but try to understand where her circumstances came from. They're both well-rounded characters that are believable in this trilogy, and it's a shame that people haven't grown to learn that at all, despite the age of this series. She's a heavily underrated character, even though she has the tenacity to push through her own dilemmas without the need of Peter's assistance. MCU MJ so far is literally just lol quirky gang gang.

@grenbaygrl1

3 жыл бұрын

Raimi's MJ is so underrated! As a woman, I do wish she wasn't captured by the villains in all the movies, but unlike most love interests, MJ is given such a substantial arc and backstory

@ForeverEliite

3 жыл бұрын

ms. r In the third movie Kirsten Dunst didn’t want to be a damsel in distress and it was originally Gwen, but pretty sure the actor for Gwen was pregnant so they made it MJ.

@lightshiner3742

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Even tho I see a couple of flaws in her adaptation, I think Raimi's MJ was amazing. The tension she and Peter had made the movies better for me and made me more sympathetic to them. I don't hate MCU MJ, Zendaya is great, but she's just not MJ to me

@PredatorH2O

3 жыл бұрын

Ok boomers we get it.

@LoneGamerNerd

3 жыл бұрын

Feli Aslan is what's wrong with today's world -- people like them; and why cinema is able to gradually, and successfully, alter every story people grew up with to a more "culturally accurate" version _(politically correct term for "out with the old, in with the new")_ . They make these changes and don't give a shit because it's all about money -- nothing more, and nothing less. Also, look up what a "boomer" is before you start calling everyone around you one. You look like an idiot using words you clearly do not know the meaning to.

I love Michelle as a character, I think she's perfect. I LITERALLY HATE that they revealed her to be MJ. What's the point of shoehorning that history and expectation onto this character!? she lost a lot of mystery and potential the second it was revealed. her name isn't even Mary-Jane. it's just MJ because you know that name! ha gotcha! stupid. she's perfect as Michelle, an original character that's friends with peter in high school. she didn't NEED to be anyone from the comics.

@user-gk2sc4ky4i

3 жыл бұрын

Im ngl for a sec i thought if she was gonna be anyone she was going to be an adaptation to black cat or a character that they can work sorta on but has her own goals and character separate from the love intrest role

@piratecandy6310

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like it's more like how Miles Morales is Spider-Man. Stan Lee doesn't like his characters race-bent. He'd rather you'd create your own even if its inspired.

@wadud92

3 жыл бұрын

I disagree. Spiderman might not be a love story first, but his relationships are iconic. It is an expectation of the audience that he will fall in love with Gwen or MJ. Let's not forget this is a comic book movie, we have high expectation to relation to the source material. I love Zendaya's charecter. I would not have accepted her as the love interest in the second movie if they didn't call her MJ. She is brilliant as a friend to Peter in th first movie, I would have expected this in the second, but, because she is (a version) of MJ that love interest is automatically expected and accepted in the second Holland movie

@kutlumzrak2689

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-gk2sc4ky4i I honestly would love an interpretation of black cat in that socially "apart" narrative Michelle represented in Homecoming. Naming her MJ is criminal, it'd be 20 times more effective to use Zendaya (very talented actress so far) in a challenging role such as that. What the Marvel Spiderman lacks, decidedly, is the traditional hole that Gwen occupies in most comic spider narratives. The "first love", and the most influential in Peter's later thought patterns, and in reality, the one love interest that was most "alike" him, in skill, demeanor and educational leanings. Without having Gwen, you lose a lot of nuance, and subsequently make MJ a very very annoying character (ala Kirsten Dunst version).

@wongdc3993

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly i think Fans are gonna go bananas if they didnt add MJ or Gwen i mean we already have Liz but you know what i mean and they wanted to make somethimg new which i liked cuz im bored with the samething like Imagine they do it all the way back and you saw Uncle Ben again and then you already know he's gonna die. So its nice to have fresh new start in my opinion like i want something that is at least once not comic Accurate. And they seemed to want Zedaya to play MJ so i think thats why they name MJ in a diferent name cuz fans will react really crazily becuz she's not like the iconic MJ

Mary Jane may be more rebellious but at least she never slept with the green goblin like Gwen did.

@_edd.ie_.o.8101

3 жыл бұрын

oof 😂

@poison2358

3 жыл бұрын

Destruction 100

@callmemako3510

3 жыл бұрын

Wait what??!!

@littlesparrow303

3 жыл бұрын

Omg yeah I hated that part. At least in the comics Spider Gwen when she met the green goblin & he was describing about her. At least that Gwen got mad & wanted to beat him up that he was creepy.

@killme7820

3 жыл бұрын

She was forced

Currently watching the video and here are my current thoughts: I’m really liking how you set up that intro to talk about not only the origins of Mary Jane but also the context for her character. As I am still looking forward to watching the rest of the video, I wanted to say I love how different that intro’s writing and editing felt from your previous vids. It was just kinda fun and sets up everything to expect! Been loving all your analyses the past months ever since I found your channel. I’m definitely hungry for even more!

This has been one of the most informational and entertaining videos I’ve seen in a long long time. Very well done. Great job!

It feels like an accidental exploration of millennials vs. gen z

Kirsent dunst even though a damsel in distress at least had a character arc, a backstory, motivations, complexities. Zendaya MJ: look at me I'm quirky aaaa

@ccbs82

3 жыл бұрын

You can see that she is just getting started with having her own type of character in the first she was shut off and wasn't even really seen a full love interest just an option. But in far from home you could see she's still that same closed off girl but trying to be more social and even finds joy from it plus she is really smart and has a lot of potential its not just a "hey look im quircky" attitude its more of a closed off to not get hurt but that turns in to a whole personality that shes trying to break from

@aerospacex3239

3 жыл бұрын

We don't get a background of Michelle Jone's life, she barely appeared in homecoming and her awkwardness is what makes her MJ She's slowly becoming more social around other people including Peter.

@thanasisv190

3 жыл бұрын

@@ccbs82 We’re two fucking movies and Michelle is the same generic edglord she was in the first film. Mj had more of an arc in one film in the raimi films than Michelle has had in two

@candicoated2001

3 жыл бұрын

@@thanasisv190 She also was not the center stage of the plot, like the first MJ was. At most she was a side character in both.

@amandarocha_

3 жыл бұрын

@@thanasisv190 peter being socially awkard: oh yes relatable not everyone is the popular kid we all a little weird mj being socially awkard: GEnEriC EdGdLoRd

Always love your in-depth analysis

@ImplicitlyPretentious

3 жыл бұрын

Aww thank you so much!

This was sooo beautiful. You're doing so well man!!!

Implicitly Pretentious: "But hey, that's just a theory....." Me: "Hey, I understood that reference!!"

@wongdc3993

3 жыл бұрын

A Film Theory!!

@Shoobs3D

3 жыл бұрын

@@wongdc3993 Aaaaaaannd... cut.

"scotch, bourbon?" "I'm not old enough to drink" this hurts me on a personal level, I was offered a drink by some brits i hung out with at a mountain bike race in France (Im 16), they offered me a beer but I knew my parents where around the corner, in France this would have been totally acceptable and not questioned at all (we had even had a few 12-year-olds running around with half a glass) to not to my mom so i had to decline, instead I got a lemonade of shame, i was completely heartbroken

@anuvette

3 жыл бұрын

liquors don't even taste good i'd rather drink lemonade

@shemshem9998

3 жыл бұрын

@@anuvette everyone got their own cup of tea

Well Done on the Video Essay!!

Always come back to this video somehow. Just the way you analyze and discuss both versions of MJ perfectly encapsulates how I feel about the character. Keep up the good work!

Best adaptations of MJ are the Spectacular Spiderman and PS4 for me

I love Zendaya's _MJ_ - a far more interesting character than the traditional take. I also love that the writers had the respect for the character to let her figure out that Peter was Spider-Man by herself.

@aim-9sidewinder550

3 жыл бұрын

eh, i wouldn't say "far more interesting". mcu mj basically is just more quiet, kinda edgy, and funny. and they didn't really put any effort in when she finds out peter is spider-man, it was more of "duh yeh isn't it obvious" funny moment in a revealing way. but I hope in next spider man films we get to see more from her, because I still don't understand why peter loves her.

@ocinidolegna

3 жыл бұрын

@@aim-9sidewinder550 i feel you. Even as someone who like's Zendaya's MJ, the romance in the second movie was so weird to me, and i didnt really enjoy it. It's an uncomfortable jump from the first movie, where we was barely friends with her, to the second movie where he suddenly has this crush on her and she returns it. I know there were some movies in-between which featured peter, but it didnt really do anything to advance his relationship with her as far as i know? So it felt like it all came out of no where, and the romance wasnt really a pay off.

@ocinidolegna

3 жыл бұрын

oh, and even though i have some problems with the pacing bc it seemed like he started liking her out of no where (whyd he have to start the movie with a crush, rather than it develops during it? i dunno), i still think theyre cute together. The interactions themselves are great and i love that.

@Femmeaesthetic

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly I’m not against awkward cheesy romance but this felt way too awkward where u don’t feel there chemistry

I love these types of videos and your beautiful wording and phrases and quotes make me feel fuzzy inside

This was really well researched and perfectly put together. Great job!

I personally didn’t like Zendaya’s MJ which is so sad cause I’m such a huge Zendaya fan. They made it look like she had a significant role but really was not a friend nor love interest in the first movie with like 5 minutes screen time total. There isn’t much material to go off of and their relationship felt so rushed in the second one because the simple question of why either of them like each other is never answered. They don’t have any banter or cuteness or anything that makes them feel like a couple. And it’s not because they’re teens because even the adorable awkwardness could’ve been a approach to them but instead it was uncomfortable whenever hey were on screen together. This is particularly odd because they have great chemistry outside of the movie it’s shame it went to waste

@user-wr9xm4zq2r

3 жыл бұрын

totally agree

@resnonverba3140

3 жыл бұрын

i totally agree

@Nightman221k

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. I feel like the "Why does he like this girl?" question NEVER gets addressed. It's like it became a given when we found out her initials are MJ apparently. It's incredibly lame.

@user-gk2sc4ky4i

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah that made me go Why?! i was like one more movie wouldve made this better

@knowitall1005

2 жыл бұрын

Its your subjective opinion bcs most people around me loved the awkwardness they shown ,it was like true teenagers ,and what do you mean why they like each other never answered ,there are like 70% movies in which the two people just like each other and never shown why they like each other ,and in homecoming it was shown she always around him and bcs she was always watching hom peter also thought she likes him and he also started liking her and they were also in academic decathlon team ,they were not just classmates its obvious they spent more time from there with each other

When it comes to Gwen & Mary Jane I love them both. However, Gwen was a victim of the time she was created and the writers just not knowing what to do with her. Despite their flaws The Amazing Spider-Man films gave more dimension to Gwen and played a huge role in introducing the character to the masses. Also TASM Gwen isn’t just a blonde Mary Jane which many people think. She doesn’t exhibit any of the quirks of MJ. Gwen isn’t a party animal that wants to be the cake that everyone gets a slice of. She’s was a brilliant scientist that was Peter’s intellectual equal.

This channel deserves SO much more attention than it gets... I’ve loved watching your growth though, and can’t wait to see you reach milestones.

One of your best yet!

People didn't like MJ in the Sam Raimi movies? Huh. Weird. Well, I can't agree with that. Personally, I actually wasn't too enthusiastic about the MJ in the MCU (who I had heard at some point a year or so after the movie came out that she wasn't actually intended to be Mary Jane but I had completely forgotten what the character's name was actually supposed to be until this video mentioned it). I kind of think of her as an overglorified background character.

I hate it when people say that Mary Jane as a character needs to change from her original status as an actress/model to be stronger *_Even Though_* She Did *_0:55_**_ tHiS_* Edit: I’m fine with her personality in the MCU lol

@chinuaalibatya7345

3 жыл бұрын

That's stronger than pulling the trigger or even helping him fight a bad guy

@spider59er35

3 жыл бұрын

Chinua Alibatya dude She defeated the chameleon lolol

@Likelyfairy

3 жыл бұрын

@Feli Aslan exactly

@mikemorro140

3 жыл бұрын

@Feli Aslan "Are there any people outside of boomers and incels who believe this popular top model party girl choses to date the socially awkward unpopular nerd incel fantasy?" There's something hilarious about you liking MCU MJ despite she's the female version of that like despite them trying to play him like the nerd Tom Holland is a pretty good looking guy and yet you think it's realistic for him to date the socially awkward nerdy girl(btw not saying Zendaya isn't pretty but the character of MJ isn't supposed to be this super pretty girl)

Cool vídeo man, didn't know you but you got me with the end. Hope to see more of yours content in a near future

Excellent video essay. I hadn’t thought about the two adaptations like this at all, .

I forgot how great of vidoes you make! I forgot how much i hated MJ in the original Spiderman (I loved Durst and her acting, I didn't like the writing it felt like they were trying to create all the conflict from the relationship and not enough from his actual crime fighting ) But the new MJ is much more likable and like you said they work well together. Can you do a video on powerful/likeable superhero partners. I always disliked weak or lame superhero partners that dragged heros down instead of being their there for them.

@arturocastroverde3349

3 жыл бұрын

I prefrer MJ raimi than MJ zendaya i mean znedaya is cute but forced after all. The movie jsut start and Peter is already in love with her. Raimi MJ have her own character arc.

@arturocastroverde3349

3 жыл бұрын

She's cute bur not more likeable she appears sometimes

@KingDannyT

3 жыл бұрын

@@arturocastroverde3349 he wasnt though? he ignored MJ Zendaya the whole first movie basically

@arturocastroverde3349

3 жыл бұрын

@@KingDannyT i'm not a zendaya fan. She's cute but i preffer kirsten dusnt

@arturocastroverde3349

3 жыл бұрын

@@AstralMarmot he don't like superhero couples? What about tony and pepper or peter and gamora

Kristen's MJ will always be my favorite, I love the nostalgia. I love their romance. it feels more timeless compared to the new one. I can watch the old one over and over but the new one not so much.

@foxhoundbridges4851

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, the amount the characters grow in the original spiderman movies is so much more profound then in the 2 mcu versions of spiderman.

absolutely brilliant analysis

as someone who also obsesses obver characters and their meaning in stories and such ...this is such a great way to put the diffrent MJ's into perspective and how they both fit and adapt the role! also your voice is soothing and nice to listen to!

Comparing MJs? Lucky that she's not named Billie Jean.

@Torlik11

3 жыл бұрын

She wouldn't be his girlfriend, then.

@Thespeedrap

3 жыл бұрын

Good Michael Jackson joke there😄

@asiyihcdm

3 жыл бұрын

LMAOOO

@medealkemy

3 жыл бұрын

Good one 😉

@lokbros4764

3 жыл бұрын

BJ

Rami's MJ atleast had a Life? She changed boyfriends had several love intertrest, her wasn't always revolving around Peter. Yes she was annoying and damsel in distress but she went through so much career changes? It was so good to her doing stuff and struggling.

Sometimes I watch your videos just to hear your calm and soothing voice

"We couldn't make Gwen as exciting or personable as Mary Jane" He's right and he should say it

It's weird that I can relate to Zendaya version of MJ even as a boy.

@chepy8662

3 жыл бұрын

@Angel sounds like we're form an alternative universe

@divishagarwal1234

3 жыл бұрын

Someone's personality is not defined by their gender .

@ZyGuy

3 жыл бұрын

Zendaya's MJ is relatable to so many teens and modern day people.

@AndreaGarcia-ng7vg

3 жыл бұрын

@Angel same 😃

@wongdc3993

3 жыл бұрын

@@chepy8662 dang why is that true tho? It is like Alternative Universe 😂

"and as she begins to become a better person, he's unconsciously drawn there too." ....aw

Great essay, I was enjoying your executed points, and then I got to the end and cracked up at the game theory dunk. I'll be checking out the rest of your channel.

these essays re interesting. but i like about them are the endings. awesome content

Personally I just don't like Michelle at all because FFH lies when it says "she got growth/depth". No, there really wasn't much there. My brother and I adored her in Homecoming before we realized she was the MJ of the MCU. I think if she was just a standalone character that was not associated with MJ at all, a lot more people would be accepting (and yes that DOES have to do with the race). I just cannot fathom why they couldn't make a whole new love interest or pick one of his plentiful choices. As someone who cannot relate to her whatsoever, even as a teenage girl, I just feel like there is a huge lack of depth and reality to her. She just sits there, not doing much, and in FFH is suddenly pushed to the forefront to be the "love interest" out of the blue. Then again I have a lot of gripes with the MCU Peter and the writing, especially how he just randomly blurted his identity to her for barely any reason at all. All I see is Zendaya, a childhood star I've grown up with, be a shoehorned love interest with barely any qualities outside of "look at me I'm a loner that struggles to be close to ppl b/c of my own insecurities/who I am" which might fit with this version of Peter, but have they forgotten that Black Cat already does that so much better? So many other pre-existing characters do it better? I just wish they had done something different. Lizz was acceptable for what she was and she had an actual role. Michelle is pieces of mirrored glass that looks like it has depth on the outside but there really isn't jack in there outside of basic untouched traits that the writing barely attempt to make seem like more. All I ask is that they do something proper with her, but ever since Endgame the MCU writing has been atrocious, and with the direction the current Spider-man is going, I have no faith they will expand on her character and she will become the typical side-chick to the plot that only serves as a failed grounding piece compared to that of MJ or Gwen (comic and movie versions) because she has barely any good advice nor helpfulness displayed (outside of what accidentally stumbling upon an object??? smh).

@foxhoundbridges4851

2 жыл бұрын

well put, i agree on alot that you said.

@classical_music_enjoyer

2 жыл бұрын

@@foxhoundbridges4851 Same.

@fightingmedialounge519

2 жыл бұрын

Technically we do learn more about her Sophia. It's not much, but it is more.

@Sofiaode18

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah "not Mary Jane" is a bland character that fails to stand as a fleshed or even merely likable character.

Mary Jane was cool but MJ feels like someone I'd see walking around in my school

@Likelyfairy

3 жыл бұрын

That’s what I like about her

@DrFrenchfries

3 жыл бұрын

mj WAS me walking around my school

@wongdc3993

3 жыл бұрын

I think they're trying to potray teen girls this days where as teen girl myself i am like MJ where i read a lot of like creepy things some i actually know true crimes like i know the case of the Black Dahlia but dont know the story And usually i always know like dark fun facts just like MJ where she said the bridge that Her and Peter were walking she said people used to executed people there.

Such clever work done by the writers of the new Spider man and so clever of you to figure it out and explain it flawlessly. Great work, thanks so much 😄

Nice work! And that ending was awesome!!!

Would have love to have seen what kind of Mary Jane Shailene Woodley was going to be for Andrew Garfield

I love Zendaya's MJ. That was my introduction to her. I love her weirdness.

This was really good. A different approach to video essays on the superhero genre. Dig it.

I really like you’re characters break downs!

I think calling Michelle "MJ" was more of a reference than an adaptation. I have a feeling that she's meant to be Peter's first love, similar to Gwen. Maybe the MCU will pull a switcheroo and have MJ die and Gwen live.

@gremlyn1658

3 жыл бұрын

It's like Robin John Blake in Nolanverse Batman. He's not Dick, Tim, or Jason, or Stephanie, but the name is a nod to them.

I love tasm gwen the most, and I really like Emma Stone. I still like Mary Jane and MJ though but I just like Gwen Stacy from tasm a bit more

Oh how I love your narration!

Great approach and explanation!!

But why does Peter randomly get a crush on Michelle when he had 0 interest before?

@LP3Customs

3 жыл бұрын

Never happened to me

@nanda12345ful

3 жыл бұрын

@REGINA ADU I really hate everytime someone says "because they're teenagers" to excuse poor writing. Countless writers have done their best to show people that teenagers are more than sidekicks, or rebels, or the black sheep of society. Stan Lee himself said the reason he made Spider-Man a teenager was to show that teenagers can be great characters too. What a shame that MCU Spider-Man spits on this idea, and the fans defend it enthusiastically.

@mrmcawesome9746

3 жыл бұрын

That's a very disingenuous question there. If you say he got the crush 'randomly' then of course there's not going to be a reason for it, since it's random. If you actually wanted an explanation for why Peter likes Michelle in the second movie, maybe don't assume the conclusion in your question? It puts people off from wanting to provide an answer, since you seem predisposed to decline any answer they give regardless of how valid it may be.

@flip968

3 жыл бұрын

​@@nanda12345ful I agree about the whole, "because they're teenagers" thing, but you have to remember, maybe it was not because of them being teenagers. It could have simply been REGINA ADU guessing the reason wrong. If you seen all the other avengers/marvel movies, you'll realize that the time IS sorta messed up. Also, (I forgot where, but I think it was Tom Holland who said this in a interview,) Far from home starts like...5 (months of years I can never remember, I think it was months.) After endgame. That gives a lot of time for their relationship to have developed off screen. Homecoming itself started not at *the beginning of how Peter got his powers,* yadadada, but It started near the middle of the semester/school year. Peter had already gotten his powers. Michelle, admittedly, is a side character and her story between her and Peter aren't exactly the focus of the movie. It's more about the mysterio stuff.

@Kdot6_16

3 жыл бұрын

Who cares?

I really dislike how overhyped the modern MJ is right now. I do understand why she is popular but she has nothing interesting to offer. I have a feeling the Amazing Spider-Man’s MJ was going to be the best. The only MJ adaptation that I like is the video game one.

really great essay and video man

I love your voice. It is so interesting to listen to and the background music :)