The weird situation F1's volatile 2025 driver market is creating
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Lots of drivers out of contract, half the F1 grid seeking new teams, and others in danger of falling off the grid entirely in 2025.
Ben Anderson and Scott Mitchell-Malm join Glenn Freeman to discuss how incredible driver market volatility in 2024 is having a surprising impact on F1.
00:00 Extreme driver market volatility
01:49 Lame duck drivers in 2024
03:26 The drivers fearing for their futures
05:09 Drivers in limbo
08:11 No longer a last resort
09:00 The market's left-field players
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Almost like we need another team or two to accommodate deserving drivers
@GreenHornet553
14 күн бұрын
Maybe even two teams.
@memsybabe
14 күн бұрын
Man, that's a whole nother WTF moment. Just let Andretti join...
@seanbrennan9188
14 күн бұрын
Andretti is one possibility
@meikgeik
14 күн бұрын
@@seanbrennan9188 that's the joke. The F1 teams are blocking Andretti.
@jmcculloch86
14 күн бұрын
Andretti provides no material benefit to F1…. Sounds like a reasonable statement to me lol
Funny how the first season to see a complete carry-over of teams/drivers has been followed by a period of extreme turbulence...
@elmurcis1
14 күн бұрын
"Calm before storm" =))
@soundscape26
14 күн бұрын
One situation led to the other.
Yuki deserves a spot in the top 5 teams, he's been putting up good performances this season. Would've loved to see him replace Nepo-baby Stroll
The TBC[Lance Stroll] gets me angry every time
@Ks-dn5lj
14 күн бұрын
It's quite funny you know 😂, and i feel you broo, just get the F out of lance already, and get liam lawson or someone who win of F2
@gwcrispi
14 күн бұрын
He might do fine in Sportscars. There are Aston Martins is a lot of series.
@harry4454
14 күн бұрын
Especially when fernando confirmed lance when he confirmed himself
@soundscape26
14 күн бұрын
Well, think that one day he'll have to retire for good.
@justinburley8659
14 күн бұрын
I think it’s funny. Why get angry over something you can’t control?
They literally spent 10 minutes just saying "the driver market is volatile and we don't know who is going where" in different ways...
@reno117
14 күн бұрын
Yes that's the premise of a speculation video lol
@MrSkeleton131
14 күн бұрын
Have you heard of things like "nuance" and "context"?
@Ch3mG33k
14 күн бұрын
You do know you’re not obligated to watch any video you don’t find interesting right lol
@smokingiscool599
14 күн бұрын
@@Ch3mG33k the video is about an interesting topic, is being made by people who could have lots of interesting info, but it's actually got no interesting info and that's not really clear until the video is almost over.
@firstnamelastname8217
14 күн бұрын
Brah all these F1 channels are the same, just speculation, pontificating, rumor mongering, clueless divs
Yuki losing his seat would be horrible. He showed nothing less than pure pace this year.
I'd love to see Yuki in the AMR instead of Lance. Maybe Stroll comes to his senses that F1 might not be his future anymore and finally leave the scene to give better drivers the spotlight.
@jonaseriksson3782
13 күн бұрын
Stroll isn't really much worse than Kevin, Logan, Gasly or even Checo most races. It's just a meme because of his guaranteed seat that Lance gets shit on, where equally shit drivers like those I mentioned gets a renewed contract and nobody cares
@malvinelpinnoy
13 күн бұрын
@@jonaseriksson3782 Lance may be just as bad or worse but the fact that there's drivers like Tsunoda and Bottas not getting an opportunity at Aston since Lance is a Nepo-baby and they have to fend off for B teams since there's really no other chance in the top 5 is what pisses off most fans
@blasecorrea8350
13 күн бұрын
Lance is dog shit. But he’s not here for a career. He doesn’t need a job. He’s loaded. He’s in F1 because this is a hobby for him. It’s his Sunday league and as long as he can do it while daddy pays the bills, why not? So unrealistic to think Lance is going anywhere, especially if you think his presence is based on performance.
@vortexriver1071
10 күн бұрын
@@malvinelpinnoyand the fact that aston is literally the 4th or 5th fastest team and lance is literally getting eliminated in q1 and battling with much slower cars in the midfield where he shudnt be in the first place
I would love to see Tsunoda in a better seat to see if he proves himself to some top teams
Will Ben blink this time? Edit: Twice, he blinked twice in a 10 minute video....
@nicolaabate8730
14 күн бұрын
He blinked once around 1:19
@harryj1353
14 күн бұрын
@@nicolaabate8730 I don’t think he did… I think he looked downwards
@amr92557
14 күн бұрын
He is stiff as shit 😂
Andretti would help this situation immensely
@gelmir7322
14 күн бұрын
unless they bring their own American drivers with them
@Romit12
14 күн бұрын
Didn't Andretti wanted the team as all American
@heavyharris5580
14 күн бұрын
@Romit12 Not sure if that was ever explicitly stated
@sarifsamudra9970
13 күн бұрын
2028 so its dosnt matter
this silly season is already giving the kind of moves you could only dream of getting in my team career mode on the F1 games
@Procrastinatingtiger
14 күн бұрын
All we're missing is the WDC moving to Haas.😂
@elmurcis1
14 күн бұрын
@@Procrastinatingtiger Max in Haas would blow up entire world 😆
@GameOver-nm2us
13 күн бұрын
and funnily enough the most unlikely move is the first one to be made
My money is on Zhou ending up at Hass. He's got a few years experience, drove steady without lots of accidents and brings in Chinese sponsorship money.
@abhrish
14 күн бұрын
Bearman and Zhao team up in Haas.
@Dragonpuncher123
14 күн бұрын
I hope not. Zhou is fine as a second driver, but they need someone better than him to pair with a rookie.
@soundscape26
14 күн бұрын
I think Bottas is a better choice for Haas, especially if the other seat is filled with Bearman.
@guilhermefonseca1562
14 күн бұрын
I think he'll go to Alpine, just because Renault never signs their rookies and there won't be anyone showing interest in them
@Blyatarina
14 күн бұрын
An "American" team with Chinese sponsors and a Chinese driver is just hilarious
i dont know how and why i realised this in exactly this video, but fernando alonsos first win in f1 is probably older than a lot of the new fans that came after DTS
@ujjawalsingh2028
13 күн бұрын
Nando won his second championship the year i was born
@seanonraet8327
12 күн бұрын
I work as a teacher and many of my students are younger than his last win...
Ben Anderson? I used to race against you and your sister in 250 gearbox karts! Blast from the past mate!
Logan and Magnussen are done, that's almost guaranteed. Antonelli, Bearman and Lawson will get their seats. So who will the third one to be booted be? It's either going to be Zhou Guanyu, Daniel Ricciardo or Valtteri Bottas it seems.
@kkrsnn5632
14 күн бұрын
50% chance they will get their seats. Yes or no.
@RoyMatzem
14 күн бұрын
Ricciardo because the chances of him ending in another team like Haas are almost zero. All others have pretty solid plans B
@gelmir7322
14 күн бұрын
Could be Perez if Red Bull want to replace him with Sainz.
@FabledGentleman
14 күн бұрын
@@RoyMatzem Yeah might be. But Ricciardo did start to show some serious improvements after he got his new chassis. He might be on to something now, after it looked very bleak for a while. And we all know he he had skills a few years ago.
@soundscape26
14 күн бұрын
Bearman already has Hulk's seat to fill if they really want him. As for Kev Mag only if Haas decides to get Bottas or Zhou. More the former as I don't think they'll be up to a Bearman/Zhou lineup.
Too many deserving drivers too few teams
@Karincl7
14 күн бұрын
Absolutely not .... to many wannabees
@karannair823
13 күн бұрын
@@Karincl7 are you completely disregarding the reserve drivers and the guys from lower formulas or do you just not know your stuff
I feel like Ben is staring into my soul, i don't think i am going to recover. Great stuff as always guys!
It's crazy that Pourchaire will probably never get into F1. He should be a top choice for Sauber as their star junior.
@Dragonpuncher123
14 күн бұрын
He just haven't been that impressive. Luck more than speed won him the F2 championship.
@guilhermefonseca1562
14 күн бұрын
Pourchaire and Drugovich, the last two F2 winners probably won't ever drive in F1
@Karincl7
14 күн бұрын
Why he has a great seat and can only prove himself.. Drugovich is no f1 material
Ocon gasly will probably get seats at alpine at least so I m not worried about them as alpine will do everything in power to keep the only competent part of it's team.
Almost 10 minutes on the dot, the race has done it again 😭
@otterplays8156
14 күн бұрын
Gotta get that ad revenue even if it means repeating yourself 3 times 😂
@inahole2678
14 күн бұрын
Isn't it 8 mins for mid roll ads?
@cathalaherne4568
14 күн бұрын
who cares? are you implying that they shouldn't make money? don't click the video if you don't care
@HootMaRoot
14 күн бұрын
@@inahole2678I thought it was 9min
@TheRealEmile
14 күн бұрын
@@inahole2678 Yup, it's 8 now
"There isn't much a reason to keep on Zhou" *Largest market in the world's 1b people enter the chat*
@soundscape26
13 күн бұрын
What has that translated to in these 3 years?
@doctorgras8650
13 күн бұрын
@@soundscape26 a lot of money
@soundscape26
13 күн бұрын
@@doctorgras8650 Let's see how far that money can keep Zhou and his underwhelming performances on the grid.
@doctorgras8650
13 күн бұрын
@@soundscape26 yeah, I like the guy but to stay in the sport he's gotta preform and he's hasn't shown anything special so far
@ajwakefield5822
13 күн бұрын
@@soundscape26 why has Logan been on the grid for 2 years averaging P19 in every format while De Vries is booted after 10 races? Why does Stroll keep his seat? Why was Checo chosen of Bottas? F1 coddles emerging markets like Asia, North/South/Central America, its where the growth is, and any organization whether they make cookies and crackers or if they put on races is going to be growth-oriented from the ground up. Zhou's Chinese Grand Prix was HORRIBLE yet a market worth 1b people cheered his every single move.
Logan is definitely one that’s being dropped by the end of the year. And I also agree, there’s a pretty decent chance they drop him mid season, to start building some chemistry with the new driver. Feels shitty to say about a young man who hasn’t been around all too long (considering everyone else), but he’s just struggling way too much this season..
I didn't quite realise just how much money and backing Antonelli has... which to have that WITH immense talent is rare. So now I kind of understand the hype a bit more.
@guilhermefonseca1562
14 күн бұрын
I'm pretty sure Mercedes is paying 100% of his F2 drive
Always makes me chuckle when I see the list of all the driver's and their contract and Stroll's is "Stroll - rolling" or "Stroll - Lawrence" gotta love it
Bottas return to Mercedes as a seat warmer for Antonella?
@soundscape26
13 күн бұрын
Makes sense.
The race to secure Stroll continues.
I think that a great part of the volatility on the market is rumors, too many journalists just making “probable” situations and this adds up to the teams to make decisions.
I Would get rid of magnusson, Zhou, stroll (Impossible I know) & seargent for sure. Bottas, yuki, gasly, ricciardo & ocon are a maybe to get rid off (I like yuki & bottas and even gasly). 100% get bearman in for haas and antonelli for Williams always good getting young blood in, Hamilton/alonso/raikonnen as youths were incredible plus many more for evidence. The rest is voodo! depends on wages and sponsorship which is all done behind closed doors. Fight me over it 😂
The weird situation The Race’s volatile rumormongering is creating
@soundscape26
14 күн бұрын
They're doing exactly the same as fans... discussing on the market.
we need more teams
We need two types of drivers on the grid, The ones that race and the ones that create yellow flags so we can see the ones that race get closer.
@_8bitHERO_
11 күн бұрын
There’s Stroll for yellow flags and then everyone else
@jamdc2000
11 күн бұрын
@@_8bitHERO_ agreed, although, K-Mag gave a good race at Monza 2020
i think Zhou has a potential to move to another team or stay, Bottas is harder to predict, he could stay, he could move to another team, or he could retire
Your videos about drivers leaving mid season have literally all been rumors
@crheming
14 күн бұрын
and here you are, watching it. mission accomplished
@AJ-zy9jf
14 күн бұрын
@@crheming That's not the point, it's the twitter journalism that's sad.
@crheming
14 күн бұрын
@@AJ-zy9jf I agree
@RbNetEngr
14 күн бұрын
They are not spreading rumors as much as they are speculating where the out-of-contract drivers will be in 2025. It’s pretty obvious that Logan Sargeant will be gone for 2025, unless he surpasses Alex Albon at Williams and actually starts to drive like an F1 driver. Right now Sargeant reminds me of everything that was wrong with Nikita Mazepin at Haas in 2021. And Sargeant is driving a better car than what Haas had in 2021. At the end of the 2021 season, Mazepin finished the Driver championship in 21st place, behind Robert Kubica (who only raced in two races)!
Some of my favorite people on 1 screen.
Can't wait to see next moves to be made
I think sainz to williams would be good for both parties, a highly consistent race winner on his day alongside a younger high potential driver in a team growing year on year
to see driver changes is always a good thing
Carlos decision will decide every other driver’s without contract career
I could imagine that Magnussen wouldn't be too fused with moving on from F1 AGAIN, if he had assurances from a Hypercar team for a seat in the WEC for next season. I forget which team he was with when Haas called him back (I want to say Peugeot, but that might be wrong).
And what about Daniel Ricciardo? If he doesn´t get Red Bull seat for ´25, would RB be interested to keep him?
@soundscape26
13 күн бұрын
Probably not, they will put Lawson in his place.
Let's talk about how these upcoming moves or the possibility of being dropped effects the racing. Teams aren't going to sabotage themselves but naturally the team is going to focus more on the driver who is staying so we can expect less support and second choice on strategy for Sainz and Hamilton. Haas is still going to treat Hulkenberg like a #1 even if he is leaving because they need the points / money. In the recent past we have seen drivers who are on their way out get aggressive trying to prove themselves to other potential teams, like Giovinazzi in his last season at his home race. Will we see KMag and Sargent and Zhou and maybe even Bottas making costly errors because they are pushing so hard for that one great performance that sticks in people's minds.
Ironically watching this and Albon contract extension just been announced. James must have done some real sweet talking
@straight-edgemalu
13 күн бұрын
His seen money being poured into infrastructure development behind the scenes plus his happy at Williams where they have made him believe his a championship caliber driver. Why would you leave?
@soundscape26
13 күн бұрын
That and the fact that Albon couldn't find a better seat elsewhere.
Ahhh nice to put a face to the names. I do remember Ben from Autosport though.
Bring in Lawson, Bearman, Drugovich and Antonelli.
I'd have also put Danny Ric into that bracket too.
Although we will probably never know, I would not be surprised ( if Lawrence Stroll was to successfully attract Sainz) that Lance will have already agreed to stand down to accommodate him. (Lance will remain at Aston Martin as co- owner and as #3/ test driver).
Imagine if Valterri was given a 1 year try contract with RedBull. It would give Valteri and fans of the unrestrained battle against Hamilton they wanted.
Love glenn as host.
@micko_music
14 күн бұрын
Bring Back V10s is awesome
Love the mewing all video
albon to merc im thinking
But is Zhou actually slower than Bottas tho? Even though Zhou have a slower time at qualifying but we kept on seeing that Zhou is faster than Bottas in any race, higher race position than Bottas until those 30-50s pitstops. (I'm not saying this because I'm Chinese but it's the truth)
@llgl-mg2zz
9 күн бұрын
Zhou matches Bottas’ pace in the race. He just slower in 1 lap. Also he brings I huge money so I think he is more likely to stay than Bottas
I could see Yuki eventually ending up at Aston because of Honda's influence. At some point Stroll will realize his son isn't an elite driver and do what's right for the team, or the investors will finally get fed up with losing places an payouts in the WCC rankings and pressure papa to do so.
@SomeYouTubeGuy
14 күн бұрын
In the immediate short term I don't care who goes to Aston Martin so long as we see Lance Stroll dropped.
With the way Magnussen is going, I’d put money on Bearman being in Haas this year not just next year (for just 1 or 2 races of course)
I’d take Ocon over Gasly any day of if I were recruiting.
Tbh I feel like Zhou is probably safer than Bottas in all honesty. He has the benefit of inexperience - he has more to come. Bottas is known and not a bad driver but you know he probably will not become better with any more experience
I'd like to see Bottas drive for a decent team but have a hard time imagining him at Haas. The flurry of curse words coming from Tsunoda while driving a Haas would be exceptional and awesome though.
@soundscape26
13 күн бұрын
Bottas could go back to Mercedes while Antonelli gets some F1 experience at Williams. Mercedes needs someone with a short term contract and Bottas might find himself kicked out of Stake.
I'd love to see Bottas replacing Stroll
Yes yuki should go somewhere if max stays in redbull
Watch at x1.25 speed
Can we just hold like a fan vote to get rid of Stroll? He’s not good enough for that seat. Literally anyone else basically would be an upgrade
If Yuki goes and Daniel stays what’s the point of showing consist pace.
We don’t need more seats, only the BEST will race, this will make teams prioritize talent instead of money, make it harder for people to buy a seat and instead force teams to look for real talent to occupy the seat
Albon has more crashes than any other driver on the grid, he´s as good as Magnussen
this video has a weirder cut than the driver market scenario
fuck ferrari for getting rid of sainz
I'm getting the feeling that Sainz is running out of time
And Albon has signed a multi year deal with Williams, all the sniffing around the paddock and no experts picked up on it lol
Why not have a rule for 2030 and beyond "Only 1 year contracts for all drivers - can only be signed between may-nov. I like this jeopardy and drama and also it gives new drivers a chance to sneak in. The time window stops team (e.g. McLarren) locking out other options super early and only 1 year means all drivers have the pressure (even the best). If it remains locked-in as 10 teams, I think this would be good. If it's a massive problem, maybe 2 year max would be a good compromise. Personally, I'd like an additional rule that says "you can't sign for the same team for more than 5 consecutive years" to make sure things get a good shake up every now and again
Mundane performances will see drivers dropped and new talent coming through makes it risky for some
For all the dramas, there's no mention of Checo. Yes, doing good so far but the power struggles in Red Bull will I think affect his seat. Sainz and DR rumors are in that mix.
@soundscape26
13 күн бұрын
I think they''ll retain Perez for 2025.
Interesting how keeping an underperforming driver in a seat due to blatant nepotism is just accepted. It appears very clear that Lawernce Stroll’s top priority is not the overall performance of the team (despite the significant $$ he has spent to improve performance). Rather, the top priority appears to be keeping his only son racing in F1. From an objective perspective dear Lance, as talented as he is, should be off to sports cars by now. The short-sighted effect of passing over race winners like Charlie Sainz and Serg Perez to keep the favored son in a seat is, well, statistically unsupportable. Yet the old man is willing to give up performance to keep his pampered kid in a seat. I guess it’s his money and if he gets more pleasure out of spoiling his children rather than rewarding the hard work of his team then so be it. The toll it takes on those in the trenches, however, must be measurable. Pity that this kind of nepotism is just accepted as SOP.
Albon to Mercedes, Antonelli to Williams
@tobedest5326
13 күн бұрын
I would love that
Merc built a car around him over the winter. Before testing he jumps ship. I would have sacked him right there. He doesn't give a crap about the team that made him the multiple world champion.
No mention of Perez. And the redbul seat. That’s a huge question mark and reason Sainz and other drivers s haven’t made any early decisions.
Not a mention of Liam Lawson...
If Carlos doesn’t end up at Audi I will be thoroughly shocked.
Alex to Merc Mick and Kimi to Williams
@carllee9571
13 күн бұрын
This was my EXACT thought
@soundscape26
13 күн бұрын
Well, Alex just extended his contract with Williams.
The real issue is not 2025 it’s 2026 that matters unless they sign a long contract.
Hopefully Honda does to Lawrence Stroll what they did to Eddie Jordan and tell him he has to drop Lance if he wants Honda engines
Max stays at Red Bull, Albon goes to Mercedes; Antonelli goes to Williams; Ricciardo to Hass;
10 mins of 'I dont know' and No mention for Ricciardo or Perez
You are forgetting about Schumacher could get the Mercedes seat being the test driver for the team
@SomeYouTubeGuy
14 күн бұрын
No he wont. Totto has said his future is not with Mercedes.
I have to say, this new approach where you don't dump 💩 at Perez 24/7, is quite refreshing! even if you dont even mentioned Him.😅
You say Carlos is going to be on the grid 2025, that’s jumping the gun.
Breaking news, there is no news
Is the possibility of a Sainz signing enough to get rid of Stroll?
this level of speculation is wild and not enjoyable
What if !? Each team had 3 drivers instead of just two then everyone would be a happy camper lol
Wee need 26 cars on grid with 13 teams. This would solve the major issues with l this crap. I'd rather see a 26 to 30 car race.
@Karincl7
14 күн бұрын
Again where do you wanna race ? Dts babys
@tobedest5326
13 күн бұрын
there is currently no place on the track already - this move would be very short-sighted this would be a total shitshow
Yuki and Pierre in Alpine would be awesome. And then ocon go to Audi or Mercedes.
Add to that Audi have already decided to let Bottas & Zhou go.
Damn… how cool would it be to see yuki take Lewis’s old spot at Mercedes. He would honestly be such a great number 2 to George since he’s consistent, fast, and knows how to drive a piece of shit well. Yuki could learn a lot from being at a works team like merc also.
The fact that Lance Stroll is still around is an absolute travesty to a grid of the best drivers in the world. It reminds me of what I dislike most about this world; it's propensity for insanity.
I'm thinking Albon goes to Merc, with Mick & Antonelli going to Williams
@tobedest5326
13 күн бұрын
two (more or less) rookies is quite a risk - I dont think they will do that but nevertheless, Albon already signed new contract
KMAG TO INDYCAR. That would be so much fun
would absolutely love to see Albon and Hulkenberg in Audis
Let's work it out logically. Red Bull - who is the best they can get right now? Sainz. Ferrari is done. McLaren is done. Aston Martin is done. Mercedes - Too early for Antonelli. Must be Albon then? Audi - Can't see anyone being better than Bottas, with no Sainz or Albon. Williams have 2 seats. One would have to be Antonelli (to swap with either Albon or Russell later). Who else? Ricciardo is probably the best bet (with Saint in at Red Bull). Alpine - Options now closing down. Ocon and Gasly stick. RB - Same for Tsunoda (maybe a move for 2026). Liam Lawson for the other seat (must be)! That leaves Haas - That leaves Perez and Bearman.
@tobedest5326
13 күн бұрын
thats exactly what I thought as well - but Albon already extended his contract I would love to see Antonelli replacing Logan right now and get the crazy move to Mercedes already in 2025
Who says Stroll will be in the team, his father is the weakest link in Aston Martin
I think things are working out really poorly for Albon to make a big move. Put in great performances when it wasn’t of use and hasn’t got the car to do so now that it might be.
In the states we have an NFL ruleset surrounding “tampering” with players and coaches under contract. Moves only happen during the off-season, which prevents these lame-duck seasons where it feels like a lot of teams/drivers have their heads into the next not current season