I wouldn’t mind to see the nightfall/raid/dungeon rotator retired, I know I’ve had my fair share of “Oh I wanna do this raid/dungeon but it’s not in rotation.” and considering HOW MANY raid and dungeons we have it feels like it takes forever.

@gen8901

3 ай бұрын

You forgot to bring up Garden of Salvation, Pit of Heresy, old loot Prophecy, Shattered Throne, Gambit boosters

@HavocDarkRed

3 ай бұрын

I concur, it is a hassle to wait for a specific raid to be the weekly especially if your clan only does one specific raid or you hope to find a good LFG group for that raid! So yeah I'd be all for these rotators to end and everything be farmable but I doubt Bungie will go for that.

@derekdumbeck5077

3 ай бұрын

Not to mention they just skipped two of the paid dlc dungeons for rehashed prophecy. Had my squad ready to farm master duality… andddddd it’s gone.

@heroicxidiot

3 ай бұрын

@@derekdumbeck5077 All things considered, Prophecy is one of the older ones. They could have done Pit but that would mean reissuing the Moon weapons too and give them origin traits. It was easier to do Prophecy weapons since they're isolated from the others, though I have no idea why they decided to vault some of them and replace them instead of just adding onto it.

@josiahboyle5724

3 ай бұрын

@@derekdumbeck5077 i needed that farm for the lmg

I think you said it perfectly- “who cares” it’s not spiking numbers… if anything it’s killing numbers when it’s a raid people don’t want/need. No stipulations, open them all up to be farmable, 1 raid and dungeon being focused for double loot would work for enticing ppl into certain content.

@sundalius

3 ай бұрын

Beyond that, removing the restrictions on the content is going to give a very clear perspective on what the player base ACTUALLY wants to do

They should make a weekly rotator that only buffs drops. Like imagine getting double raid rewards for a week. I think that would be a much better incentive.

@Liam5247

3 ай бұрын

This is literally a perfect solution, buff drop rates on a rotation

@SeanWebProductions

3 ай бұрын

Or heck, make it double Spoils of Conquest so people can pick up more loot at the end of the raid. That would also let people who have everything stockpile Spoils to spend when the new raid drops.

@DatboiZyion

3 ай бұрын

I agree on this. By changing the rotator so that the featured raid/dungeon have bonus drops, instead of that raid/dungeon being the only one farmable, I think that a lot more people would actually do them more.

@chrisborges7344

3 ай бұрын

They try not to do this because they know the game is dry enough as it is. Only when numbers are desperately low.

@Ocachino

3 ай бұрын

fantastic idea

Forgot the “need”

@skylerdama

3 ай бұрын

😂 whoops

@timeob.6942

3 ай бұрын

Wonder if he’ll notice 😂

@tobysealz3574

3 ай бұрын

man is too mad to form a complete sentence

@RedShadowOfSaturn

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, otherwise it reads like a headline. inb4 the flood of people misunderstanding that. Oh gosh.

@Hyper_1989

3 ай бұрын

I was about to hop on for thr first time in a while man

Master difficulty raids and dungeons should be available whenever, not only when their respective raid and dungeon is in rotation.

@RedShadowOfSaturn

3 ай бұрын

Funny thing is...raids and dungeons are the things most of the playerbase agrees are the "best" content. And those rotate out regularly, or aren't farmable any time. Meanwhile...stuff like patrol zones, which most of the playerbase agrees are pretty banal and boring and not really worth anything...those ARE "farmable" any time, and I put that farmable in quotes, because...have people ever "farmed" patrols? I doubt it. You'd think Bungie would do a massive pivot and turn raids/dungeons into THE content that constitutes most of the game, the stuff you can visit constantly, and maybe swap a single patrol zone in every week or a different one per season as a site of importance... But no.

@zyphreiumv4529

3 ай бұрын

Yes! It's not great when you want to try for a master raid title and your friends aren't available that specific week.

@AnticitizenOne

3 ай бұрын

This is super annoying! My friends and I had to wait around for Spire so we could get our Hierarchy catalysts. So stupid.

@Mercenary-1914

3 ай бұрын

This is the change I think is needed!

@trevelyandovah8479

3 ай бұрын

I was gonna do VoG Master with a friend only to realize is wasn't available. That's how I found that out.

more farming = more playing time

@strike5102

3 ай бұрын

Yup

@RedShadowOfSaturn

3 ай бұрын

Are you saying that's a good thing or a bad thing?

@wickedweavile4612

3 ай бұрын

​@@RedShadowOfSaturn A good thing, given how people would have the choice of which dungeon/raid they want to focus on for the tike being

@atomic_wait

3 ай бұрын

But a rotating roster gives them more sustained recurring engagement at a slightly lower volume, which most businesses prefer over a single burst of engagement followed by nothing.

@RedShadowOfSaturn

3 ай бұрын

@@atomic_wait To be fair, they have rotators AND "single burst of engagement followed by nothing" already. Watch the Steam peaks and valleys for Destiny 2. Season starts, BIG jump...bout a month later or so, massive drop of. New season starts, BIG jump...month and a half later, massive drop off. Rotators are not producing good enough sustained players to justify keeping them. It's BETTER for players to have as much content as possible to play, and when they feel like leaving, they can. Keep that door open, and let the players back in when they want to return. Does it force the devs to work harder to make interesting content to bring people BACK? Yes. But trying to build content that keeps people 24/7/365 is nearly impossible, and untenable to expect devs to do.

I personally would prefer if the raid rotator became a 2x loot thing. Like imaging waiting 6 weeks for double loot Vow or VoG farming

@Kanollio

3 ай бұрын

What I have always hoped for as well too. Still get the player interest on certain weeks, and allow you to play all other content and farm it whenever you want to

@sundalius

3 ай бұрын

Agreed. It’s weird they figured it out for playlists but not endgame content

@BradleyLevesque02

3 ай бұрын

do challengees not do this already. when raid is in rotation you can do challenge to get 2 drops

@zTxMeta

3 ай бұрын

Even that's not worth it, I'd rather farm the raid or dungeon I want, when I want, without restriction instead of having to wait for the privilege to farm and have a better chance at getting dogshit rolls I'll immediately delete

Six weeks is a loooong time away from a game. I imagine most players will find something else in that time rather than waiting for the one activity they want to play to come back.

@scrotumscratcher2474

3 ай бұрын

I can imagine half the players went through this seeing hell divers 2 be a live service game just done right in the midst of bungies meltdown and 150(?) day season lmao

@robertpalmer8080

3 ай бұрын

I'll be real, I miss the weekly rotation by a day and say, "damn, next time for sure"... Then I forget until the weekend of that week and either my group aren't around cause they're bored of the game/ doing other things with their lives, or I can't be bothered and I say, "next time. For realsies." Copy/paste that for the past few seasons lol.

@djungelskog9581

3 ай бұрын

Happened to me so many times, I work up the motivation to farm or run something on master and for all I know it could be a month until it's back and by then I'm playing something else

@FriezaReturns00001

3 ай бұрын

That's kind of stating the obvious, there's plenty of other games out there that unfortunately D2 cannot make up for no matter what GrenaderJake says. Plus Final Shape is coming out at the worst time when Elden Ring's DLC drops.

@0p3yyyyy

3 ай бұрын

::laughs in rivensbane title.”

Not to mention the reward structure. Every raid and dungeon encounter should drop one weapon and one piece of armor, or at least let us choose like the coil does. It sucks ass farming for hours only to get useless pieces of armor instead of the new weapons

@SymbioteMullet

3 ай бұрын

And proper bad luck protection, so all the Mythoclast not havers can finally have their pain releived, among others.

@animtok

3 ай бұрын

I would love if it was a thing, 2 days ago we were farming kalli with a friend and while he got 4 borders overall i've got a single border because ~65% of my drops were armor (for context I counted it and from 20 tries we did I got 13 armor drops...)

@robertpalmer8080

3 ай бұрын

Especially when armor that isn't artificer is pretty much gonna be shard juice anyway. It's really not hard to get a decent armor at going if you're not big into endgame content, even easier if you are but you're not getting your god roll armor from a raid lmao. I know I never did even before artificer. Raids give sub 60 stats more than they give even 61 and spikes? Don't exist.

@gavinhazan1415

3 ай бұрын

Literally was farming the first encounter of prophecy for prosecutor last week got 6 titan marks in a row. Such bullshit

@holo673

3 ай бұрын

Flashback to me getting my first RoN weapon on my 3rd clear

There have been so many times I've wanted to get Artifice armor and then realized that the dungeon in rotation doesn't have a Master mode available. Same with raid adept weapons.

I LOVE ARMOR DROPS IN NON MASTER DUNDEONS WOOOO

@theoutlaw6044

3 ай бұрын

It's honestly baffling that armor drops still aren't just disabled after obtaining the full set in non master dungeons, literally 0 reason for non artifice armor with 50 stat total to be dropping when I'm trying to farm a cold comfort or Lingering Dread etc.

@adrianpickel1482

3 ай бұрын

@@theoutlaw6044Gotta keep those player engagement metrics up by diluting the loot pool

One of the many design choices that has aged like milk for the sake of “player retention”

@CodeYaMaster

3 ай бұрын

tbf, everyone with a brain said the idea was dumb when they announced it. Im honestly shocked they havent changed it

@SolaceV9

3 ай бұрын

@@CodeYaMaster the bungie team responsible for making decisions like these is just an abnormally dense concentration of stupidity. as evident by the things they did just recently. they did everything they could to prove it and at this point I am convinced: they just have to be stupid. like actually. there is no other, feasible explanation for some of the things they did over the years, but especially recently.

@Deekdashocker

3 ай бұрын

No idea who said hey…if they can’t play what they want that will keep them playing….what….great idea let’s do it….

I hadn't really internalized the fact that the rotator is now 6 FECKIN WEEKS! The concept was fine at 3 or whatever when it launched but with master restrictions, additional activities, and new loot added to stuff its pretty unacceptable...

@sdp271

3 ай бұрын

7 weeks now actually. Soon to be 8 come TFS. Let that sink in.

@blocked-in-the-head1267

3 ай бұрын

True, I forgot about duality @@sdp271

Actually yeah this brings up a good point. Recently some people have made some new light experience videos like Jez and Shadow. It can be a some frustrating and confusing experience. What doesn’t help is the rotator system. I have a couple of friends who know I play Destiny fairly regularly and are a little interested in it. I would like them to play the game and maybe think about buying some of the expansion so we enjoy more content together. It’s hard to find exciting and cool things though when the one free dungeon is out of rotation meaning we can only really do it once per week especially since they only have one character. They don’t get the finer details of their sole character so trying to introduce one or two more doesn’t make any sense. If they go into pvp they don’t have cool weapons to use because they’re so new. I like the idea of the dungeon/raid rotator. Maybe even a dungeon/raid/nightfall rotator. Just something where we can have fun, farm stuff, and they can learn about how their character works in greater detail without having to wait 6 weeks which suck the air out of the game. “Hey how did you like prophecy?” “Honestly that was pretty ngl. So what do we do now?” “Well it’s not the feature dungeon this week so we can do it again but we won’t get anything from it.” “Oh so when can we do it again?” “Like 4 weeks from now” Actual conversation I had and I could hear the disappointment in him when I said that. Doing nightfalls isn’t going to be that fun as the drop rates in hero are super low and he doesn’t have the light level (or build) for legend or higher. So what the fuck am I supposed to show him?!? Comp?!?

Better yet! Make it all farmable and give double loot for the rotation. And give tokens from it all and allow focus decoding at the end of an activity like in raids.

@judasdeschain8965

3 ай бұрын

I feel this, just want to get a few guns with some decent rolls but even when they are in rotation guess what isn't dropping for me? Love that feeling so much really /s The game wants mem to farm but half the time I feel horribly unrewarded for trying!

It'll be helpful for me too, because I get burnt out, you get burnt out, everyone gets burnt out, and new games come out constantly, so missing a cycle could mean missing a cycle the whole season for me

@oxbowbasilisk9568

3 ай бұрын

This 👆👆👆 Guardian games brought back some passion for me, and guess what!?!? The rotation is for things I don't need to farm. So I could play spire on repeat for medals and loot... But I don't really need the loot. So I guess I'll farm nightfall strikes until I get burnt out again before the rotation changes

It’s wild to me that Destiny 2, a game about farming randomly rolled loot, has restrictions on farming randomly rolled loot.

@zTxMeta

3 ай бұрын

Just seems like something known of these developers can get right. Borderlands 3, Division 1 and 2 all also had a problem with

@joshuaharte3991

3 ай бұрын

That’s why I play games like Diablo last epoch poe more than destiny these days 🤦🏼 games time gated loot is boring I’ve played destiny since 2014 I’ve stopped playing because I hate having to wait weeks just to be able to farm a raid for a god roll weapon 🤦🏼 I do hope bungie fix this issue I personally think it’s stupid locking loot behind re sets

@MrSeagallo

3 ай бұрын

It's a holdover from older MMOs, the idea of a weekly lockout.

I think this is what made people look back fondly at arrivals season and moments of triumph. The ability to farm all raids.

This. Destiny is so much better when player’s have more agency

Every time a new Raid comes out it becomes harder and harder to farm Adept Raid weapons. You already get at least 1 week per-season to farm a specific Master Raid, and sometimes you get 2 if they're on the tail end of the rotation when the current season starts.

1000% agree, its crazy they don't even have an in game way to tell what the featured raid/dungeon is without looking through all the planets for the pinnacle drop symbol, aside from the notification that flashes on your screen the week prior, that most people accidentally skip because it pops up as you are launching an activity or going into your inventory.

Like bro. I don't own shadowkeep, I'm not buying that fucking thing. Any week where garden of salvation is the weekly raid, or some ass dungeon is the weekly, it's instantly a week where i'll log on for the first day, do crota and last wish for some missing red borders, and just not play for the rest of the week because there's no point.

@JstWiser

3 ай бұрын

Shadowkeep is Free for me.

@vince134

3 ай бұрын

Broke ahhh

@jacks1083

3 ай бұрын

I don't do those even IF they're the weekly featured.

@anxivty

3 ай бұрын

@@vince134😭

@36090pburke

3 ай бұрын

I feel u man I own them all but they should definitely bundle all the previous expansions for $30 bucks for new players

I agree with the bulk of what is said here, but don't forget that rotators are good for exactly one thing: filling up lobbies. With player counts at absolute lows, it can be tough to get a group together. I worry that removing raid rotators entirely would make it more difficult to find groups, especially for things like subclass raid triumphs or master challenges. Personally, I would love to see Bungie remove dungeon rotators entirely and make raids rotators feature 2-3 raids at a time.

The thing is that people don't say "hey I wanted to farm prophecy but it's not this week so I'll farm a different dungeon" they say "hey I wanted to farm prophecy but it's not this week so I'll go play something else instead".

@shiloh3541

3 ай бұрын

This, I just log off until the week I need shows up

@MattTheHuman9

3 ай бұрын

Facts and by the time 6 weeks passes you might forget because that's a long time.

100% agree. And how about removing the silly "keeping the CP on another character" mechanic? If you've run the raid/dungeon that week, you should have easy access to every CP on that character

@O-bearer-mine

3 ай бұрын

Clearing the raid should grant you access to the checkpoints of fresh and the encounters that you yourself were present in clearing If you do DSC, and only do taniks p2, you should be able to load into Taniks p2 from orbit, and fresh checkpoint. This means players still have to reach and beat the encounter once that they want to farm

@Pretralus

3 ай бұрын

This!💯

I need one item from Ghosts of the Deep to finish my Collections tab. When it was finally due up in the rotator, they pulled it in place of a four-year old dungeon, pre-reprisal, that nobody was farming anyway.

@DragonStar-ox1zk

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, same, actually. I need the rocket and the exotic. All I'm missing from that dungeon, so I was super excited to farm it and finish up the title. Then they pulled it from rotation with literally no makeup week, so now I have to wait 6 more weeks or whatever to do it again. And then my clan wonders why I've been so checked out this season and have tossed around the idea of leaving once TFS is done and we clear the raid.

Great vid hope this comes to light and fix someone about it

Here's an idea; The rotator isn't what needs to die, but its effects need to be adjusted. If we want to keep it, all dungeons and raids should always be farmable. However, let the featured activities do something, like double perk rolls, or even double drops like trials/crucible has been experimenting with. Ultimately, if Bungie wants to encourage plays to play a given activity, they just need to put a reward behind it that isn't limiting to the player. If they can do that, or something similar to it, I see no reason to fully retire the rotator, as in concept, it could have potential.

@Light79677

3 ай бұрын

It needs to go not reworked

@eternal1780

3 ай бұрын

@@Light79677 clearly you did not read what I said if that's your response :)

whether i listen to the video or not i already agree, imagine a raid's weapons getting a new perk pool in the next week so you want to get the current god rolls before then, but the current week's raid isnt the one you need, at that point its tough luck you shoulda grinded at a previous time

This is a great idea and I couldn’t agree more, my dude!

Not to mention how the dungeon and raid rotator is growing in size with each new raid and dungeon

I felt that “4/6 armor aaaaaaaaaaaaa” in chat in my soul😅

I do like the pinnacle rotating, and I also like the extra Vanguard points, etc., but I definitely agree that farming weapons should just be available whenever (maybe not exotics though, because they need to feel a bit more exclusive IMO). I think there definitely is a balance between nothing and a rotation of some kind.

@SpicyCheeseSpread

3 ай бұрын

I don’t think exotics will ever feel special again unless they sunset all the existing ones and you have to re obtain them in final shape

I feel like a very easy compromise would be pairing two dungeons and two raids up each week, so we get two of each. So let’s say Last Wish & Kings Fall raids with Grasp & Ghosts dungeons one week, then Garden & VoG with Shattered Throne & Prophecy the next week etc. That way Bungie get their “weekly refresh” and the player base don’t have to wait as long. Then maybe switch up the pairings with each new episode

As much as I agree, bungie will never give us them all I don’t think. I think there are a lot of ideas tho for middle ground, having things in rotation for 2 weeks I think would make sense, but one dungeon basically swaps out in the half way point for example, something like: Week 1 Spire & Prophecy Week 2 Prophecy & Shattered Throne Week 3 Shattered Throne & GOTD Week 4 GOTD & Heresy So things are in rotation longer, people have more time, and there is still something fresh each week

i understand why they have to have the rotator. to have more experienced players playing the raids and dungeons, so new players and unexperienced players can find sherpas or get help. to focus the players into a specific raid or dungeon.

@mtsen771

3 ай бұрын

TBH, dungeons should be excluded from any rotations. Unlike the raids, they are pretty much soloable, so anyone would be able to easily learn dungeon mechanics by their own.

@scrotumscratcher2474

3 ай бұрын

@@mtsen771shit people are soloing raid checkpoints now and even VoD is getting solod. The day someone solos rhulk is the day that raids commonly show up in solo talks

@cerulean5032

3 ай бұрын

I don't think that matters for 90% of people who regularly do dungeon or raid content, they probably have their own little communities to group up with.

@stephen0327

3 ай бұрын

@@maythomas4591as a solo player it’s nice to know that on certain weeks there will be a bigger pool of people doing certain events. that’s how i farmed RON to get the shotgun. it’s not about the design of the game, it’s that there are so many raids and dungeons to pick from, it thins the player pool. the actual percentage of people that raid isn’t that big. it makes it harder to find a team if they were spread out between all the raids on any given week.

You know what would be big brain? If they kept the rotator but it applied double drops to that weeks content. That way you could farm any time you want, but there would be those extra optimal weeks.

Agreed... and change the rotation to bonus drops or bonus xp weekly. That way we get to do what we want and are still incentivised to do different things each week.

I agree, I’ve been saying this for awhile there’s no need to time gate dungeons from being farmable

I think having half of the raids/dungeons on rotation at once would be a good compromise

@scrotumscratcher2474

3 ай бұрын

I’d accept that. One week it’s legacy raid and the next it’s the raids released in d2.

WEEKLY DUNGEON, RAID, AND NIGHTFALL ROTATORS, WELCOME TO DIE! HAHAHAHAHA!

@RedShadowOfSaturn

3 ай бұрын

Listen, all your Deepsight Resonance are belong to us, just sayin.

YESSSSS! I hate waiting 6 weeks to farm and keeping track when they constantly change the rotation each season aswell

I have most all the weapons EXCEPT the Dungeon and raid weapons! I would love to be able to learn one and keep farming for weapons over and over.

you see the reason weekly rotators exist is so that people actually you know play old raids and dungeons. I recall distinctly that before rotators, if you wanted to play an old raid and you didnt have your own group, FUCK YOU TOO BAD YOURE NEVER GONNA PLAY GARDEN AGAIN CAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO ANYMORE. At least with Rotators, you could get SOME people together because the few people who want to stack up over the weeks that its not featured. Not all of us have 100 different friends who play destiny2

@Sandercool99

3 ай бұрын

Exactly this sums up what I think but No Datto wants to go back to the old way lol 😑

@milzhere

3 ай бұрын

Just simply not true. Now if you want to play a non-rotator raid there is literally no one, before you had a chance at least.

@faceless_man566

3 ай бұрын

garden also is a generally disliked raid and drops no good weapons, u basically do it for divinity. your point is a non sequitur. these things don't really have anything to do with each other

I definitely agree with you. pinny from a dun One from a raid One from nightfall One from seasonal. No rotation but once you get the Pinnacle from a dungeon... it's done for the week same with everything else. And then make everything farmable but at that point it won't be pinnacle

Also the Master versions of dungeons don’t show up on the director until it’s the rotator. Me and my buddies were going to do Master Ghosts, but it was the weekly then when it was the rotator Bungie changed it to Prophesy so now we have to wait another six weeks.

This is the same issue I have with the mission rotator, if you are busy or miss a week then you just get shafted for weeks waiting for it to come back, not to mention when it’s in rotation it only drops 2 red borders guaranteed

Gotta wait WEEKS if you want a certain weapon. I've been wanting Osprey for EVER but everytime I log on it's weeks away.

Agreed my clear I ran for prophecy this week I got straight armor so aggravating even the secret chests can careless about farming anything else right now beside that dungeon

Only thing I would dislike about this is that I use KF to farm spoils(for time lost found verdict) and you can't spoil farm it when it IS the rotator

thank youuuuu, i’m coming back to the game before final shape and i just wanna get some guns but i have to wait 4 weeks

I would even be happy to see more options. And for raids to still have master available at all times and its the typical 4 week rotation of challenges

Datto with another banger

The amount of times I try and remember something is coming up in rotation that I need to farm, only to completely forget until Monday night and then panic farm is too often. Even having 2 dungeons and 2 raids in rotation would help massively

I am so glad to see people finally talking about this, because I’ve been feeling this for over a year now.

THIS!!!! so many players i regularly run with are screaming this from the rooftops it is frustrating to no end im still missing so many red border weapons that i want and raid /dungeon exotics and i just want to be able to get them and not have to wait for them in rotator.

We need this no cap!

Some weeks are straight up a dungeon I don't have, a raid with outdated weapon and an exotic mission than only drops weapons I already crafted. Also still waiting on Momentum Control for my seasonal challange lol.

this is something i've agreed with a for while, and them changing the dungeon to prophecy made me want it more. i wanted to try and get navigator a week ago but since bungie changed it i now have to wait until mid april to even have a chance at getting it

ive been waiting for spire to be on the weekly rotation since this season started. wanted to get the catalyst for heirarchy of needs. i missed it durring the initial week it showed up because of circumstance, and now im here yesterday. it was mind numbingly frustrating. datto is right that this is a problem

Nightfalls could either be moved to a daily rotator or making all adept weapons available in their vendor so you can farm the specific one of the week in the strike or earn Ciphers to buy the ones out of rotation.

I agree Thanks Datto!

Agreed, I work a job on a rotating schedule and work every other weekend so get screwed out of the raid and dungeon every other week.

100% agree. This close to the Final Shape, and I have to wait for Root again to get patterns. When the game was new it made sense, but now not so much.

i agree. i need the navigator, vex mytho, conditional, and buried bloodline. still waiting on these to be farmable

Just like to add if it stays the same when a new dungeon and raid comes out that wait will become even longer.

Another issue with the rotator is if something happens (like last week we got the prophecy refresh) and they decide to swap in a replacement to the normal rotation like them swapping ghosts of the deep with old prophecy, now the players such as myself have to wait 6 more weeks to farm ghost of the deep.

the only thing that makes sense to keep in rotation is the adept trials and nightfall weapons and maybe the raid exotics. thats it. I spent 40 hours last week farming prophecy cause it won't be here again forever and I needed me a darkest before, prosecutor, and judgment. took me 36 hours of doing echo kills to get a darkest with incan healclip

Amen. Let’s have everything farmable and have a ‘featured’ raid and dungeon of the week with challenges and Master modes open. Happiest compromise between the as-is and your recommendation.

I'm so f'ing glad you said it. I'm currently trying to get the armor set from Ghost of the deep, and having to wait a whole week after doing it once just sucks. It hurts even more when the first time you do it, you get weapons from every encounter but the last. That's not fun grinding, that's a middle finger held up high from the peaks of Mount Everest to my time.

I really wanted to farm "the slammer" this week, but the bow had to be farmable instead. especially it being lake of shadows, and double drops.

I needed a better cold comfort. I was at a convention during the first week Ghosts was farmable this season, and then I was working Mandatory Overtime + a vacation during the second week. I can not agree with you more on this take. I’ve been a huge advocate of this for a couple weeks now. Edit; to bounce off your idea off the weapons being locked to a certain strike. I think that this could work, but we still keep the rotation. What I mean is: if Wardens Law is locked PsiOps Cosmodrome, the next week, it would move to a different strike. That way, there’s still a rotation to think about, without dictating your entire being to a singular week

I didn’t know I needed an opinion of the weekly rotators. Thanks Father Destiny

Real asf for this Datter I didn't do Prophecy last week because I thought "oh its gonna be pinnacle for a while anyways" I paid the price and was able to only run it three times this week and gotta wait another refresh ❤

Imagine the vanguard screen just filled with cool icons of every strike and then being able to difficulty select on them. And then a raid and dungeon screen that did similar. It would be grand

LET'S GOO!! FINALLY!! Man I feel like I was the only one bottling this up inside for too long, thank god you posted it.

Same for lost sectors. Or just make 4 available at a time so you can get any exotic armor. There have been lots of times where I just don’t play because the only thing left to get is the last few exotics.

I get why the rotator is there, because having weeks dedicated to a raid will help people get loot from there or the title, for example trying to get Garden's title outside of the week it's being featured sounds tough, but they could have multiple raids and dungeons featured weekly like maybe 2 or a week.

Me and my buddy are the only ones in our friend group that still play D2 during these down months between seasons and we usually 2 man the Dungeons, it would be great to be able to do any of them whenever we want

Yep. Wanted to grind for the Navigator and the bossfight is already annoying. Was not available when it wasthe featured dungeon so I missed out. Missed it the second time because I didn't keep track of a 6-7 week rotation for a game I barely play anymore, which caused me to just lose all interest in farming for it in the first place.

I remember having to wait 4 WEEKS to get the catalyst for the spire bow, because you can't do a dungeon on master difficulty unless it's the weekly featured dungeon

100% agree. Make everything farmable. Doubt Bungie will do anything before Into The Light, but it better become a thing come April.

this is a great idea, as a college student and someone who doesn’t only play D2 anymore it’s such a feels bad when the one thing i want to farm when i’m in the mood to play isn’t in the rotation.

I think one thing the rotator helps with is that it concentrates the player pool into one raid and dungeon each week (two if you count the most recent raid and dungeon). It’s really hard to find an LFG group for a raid that isn’t the weekly one and I worry that removing the rotator may make it hard to find groups for the less popular raids and dungeons. I think they should make every raid/dungeon farmable every week but also give you additional spoils of conquest for the weekly one

Pretty simple solution (imo, idk how hard this would be to actually code but it seems almost trivial): Keep featured raids/dungeons but instead of making them the only times you can farm those raids/dungeons just make it so that they're double drops during that week. Everything else can still be farmed but only as single drops. You keep the feeling of "THIS IS THE WEEK TO FARM FATEBRINGERS" but without it being insanely restrictive to the point where people can't just go and farm fatebringers on an "off" week if that's the only time they actually have time to farm.

I totally agree... especially at this time where the game is in somewhat of a limbo. It would be the perfect time to do so‼️

Same goes for master lost sectors. While not as bad as raids and dungeons in regards to wait time if I need to grind for a certain exotic and find some time after work on a Wednesday but realize I can’t even go for a helmet I’d like I just lose motivation to even play the game. I’d like to be able to grind for what I want when I want. Rant over

My fireteam and I were waiting for GotD to come back around as the weekly featured dungeon 2 weeks ago so we could finally do it on master, but guess what? Not only did they change it to Prophecy, but they changed last week to Prophecy too, and then they didn't feature GotD and just put it right back to the end of the line! To say the least, I'm more than open to being able to have full access to any dungeon to farm anytime I want.

They definitely need to bring back the gm node. If I want to do birthplace of the vile on psiops cosmo week, I shouldn’t need to use a bot to load into that strike. It’s ridiculous especially since there are very few nightfalls that can be completed super fast

Me watching this drop alongside Coolguy's review of the Prophecy SMG now that the dungeon ain't on rotation

As far as pinacles go, if they stick around, just have it be the first raid and dungeon you do drop pinacles. If that's possible, that's my personal best case scenario for rotator removals.

Watching, commenting, liking, and praying so bungie sees this.

i thnk the reason rotators existed is bcause if everything available all at once and everyone farm what they want for a couple weeks then later on nobody will play that dungeon or raid anymore, that will make lfg to farm them kinda dead since everyone scatter all over the place, with rotators atleast they can focus the player base on something for that week

@stephen0327

3 ай бұрын

i agree 1000%. the people that are saying to do away with the rotators are players in clans that have established and easily accessible and competent raid teams that they can call up any time to raid. i love me some datto but i feel like this is elitist datto.

Imagine every raid and raid lair was in this weekly rotation, my god

ive been saying this for so long, and now that the updated dungeon weps were only farmable for a week im reminded of it once again. I couldnt stand it when i was actually trying to farm raids for the first time, having to wait a month or more for it to be farmable, we gotta put that bs on our calendar like its a job to farm weps on bungie's schedule

This. I usually don't comment but needs to be said. The rotator was a good idea in Witch Queen to keep things fresh and even motivated me to complete all raid seals aside from Last Wish. I will say though, it has run its short course. It's time to stop timegating Raids, dungeons, and campaign activities (empire hunts, WQ offensives, nightmare hunts, etc.). Now that I'm away at school, I get on once in a blue moon and frequently on break, and finishing seals, patterns, etc now is a nightmare. I straight up cannot finish the last of RON's title or LW because I have to wait MONTHS. There are simply too many activities now. It is no longer a desire to farm issue, loot refresh and fireteam finder fixed that. It's now a time accessibility issue. Now is the time when raiding is awesome since there's no new content and Fireteam Finder is fantastic for it, whether you're doing it for the title or loot. Just think how many more people would do raids if they could farm for what they want when they want it. For example, Master VOG, if it was permanently available with all challenges, would have TONS of people raiding on its own since its loot is still insane to this day. It's so disappointing to log on Tuesday and see the weekly raid be something you've completely cleaned out with the title and/or all the loot because it means you could be waiting up to 9 WEEKS for something you want to come back! God help you if you got on during a Garden week (I love you, I do, but you need a refresh). Don't get me started on dungeons or the campaign activities. Have you all gotten your hierarchy of needs catalysts done this week? Better get on it or it'll be another 6-8 weeks. Did you long on to see Pit of Heresy roll for that week? Guess you're locked out of an artifice farm. As for campaign stuff, Gumshoe, Splintered, and Harbinger grinders: I SEE YOU and I agree, you shouldn't have to wait four or more weeks for you to get all the triumphs for the seal or just the weapons Dreaming City is another story). Lastly, please let us just select which exotic mission to play, I want to play Pressage again and get a crafted dead man's.

@cjdj8138

3 ай бұрын

Correction 7 weeks (currently till final shape raid then 8) and 6 weeks (till dungeons get new additions). Not as bad as previously mentioned, but still more than a month and growing with every addition.

The first time I wanted to farm an activity for something and one of my friends said "that's not in rotation this week," I just went "...why?"

I’ve been saying that for raids dungeons and nightfalls we need 2 for each week so it’s not gone for 7-8 weeks and or have player be able to choose what dungeon, raid, etc are farmable for them

The rotator is so frustrating, I would love to see everything opened up!

I can get behind this, but i think there does need to be a "Featured" weekly one with some sort of incentive. Its nice to have a featured raid for looking for lfgs, especially in times of player drought.