The last wish part did not age well

@TheKobra86

23 күн бұрын

So glad it did not age well. SO GLAD

@klarpkant

11 күн бұрын

Bungie took that shit personally

@francisorr2189

9 күн бұрын

Watching this after Edge of Salvation is almost funny

@84m30

4 күн бұрын

To be fair it ABSOLUTELY seemed that way at the time.

@TheKobra86

4 күн бұрын

@@84m30 Yes it certainly did

Glad elitist Datto was able to sneak onto the channel one last time while Datto's on break. We will miss you elitist Datto

@TheRyman230

Жыл бұрын

Elitest datto will be sorely missed. Glad to see you’re a fan of elitist datto too s0ur!

@FatalFrostbyte29

Жыл бұрын

It is time for elitist S0ur to rise.

@KrakkenXXX

Жыл бұрын

No we wont

@S0ur

Жыл бұрын

@@FatalFrostbyte29 He's also retired sadly. A decade of cod coverage is a rough sentence, I feel the pain of any fellow elitist

@BerryFruit

Жыл бұрын

Oh yo, it's S0ur, lfg

Watching Elitist Datto turn into Defeatist Datto has been really rough

Nezarac has found how to hurt Elitist Datto. Elitist Datto's nightmares are becoming reality. He truly is the final god of pain.

@deviltwerkerzzgaming6469

Жыл бұрын

lol

@eman111555

Жыл бұрын

lmao that's good

@thecanadiankiwibirb4512

Жыл бұрын

Nezerac ain't just breaking the fourth wall -- he bursting through it and throttling you

@Nick_Ramburn

Жыл бұрын

The raid was never meant to be the root of all nightmares... Only dattos

slowly chasing that orb of power at 8:59 sums this entire thing up pretty well

@Aiden_crisp

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@ki_wi_8525

Жыл бұрын

lol

@christurner2589

Жыл бұрын

Woord being able to walk around not double jump and hip fire the gun the whole raid is insane

Honestly the hardest part of raiding in destiny is finding 5 people to raid with consistently

@cghul7315

Жыл бұрын

Ya people r either toxic elitist or completely garbage

@JohnnyBeGoodz

Жыл бұрын

it’s really not, wfh and covid made people scared to talk to random people and make an LFG. what’s hard is finding consistently GOOD teammates

@ArrDeeM

Жыл бұрын

It should be “finding 5 people to raid with consistently that don’t make you want to scratch your eyes out”

@JPOG7TV

Жыл бұрын

I thought this would be easy with randoms but jeez, id rather go outside, make friends and force them to play d2 to have a raid team rather than LFG for day one.

@elseggs6504

Жыл бұрын

​@@JohnnyBeGoodz You can make good teammates by having a consistent group to begin with. Take Rainbow Six for instance: Isnt it easier to learn how to avoid getting spawnkilled if you have an experienced player tell you "this is a dangerous spot"? Easier than figuring out the hard way anyway?

It’s insane to me that bungie thought we wanted normal content to get harder and the hardest content like a raid to get easier

You know something is wrong when a lost sector is giving me more trouble than the contest mode raid

@nairobi8056

Жыл бұрын

Dude. Fucking GAMBIT could be more difficult then the contest mode raid.

@tecnoguy1136

Жыл бұрын

@@nairobi8056 I mean gambit is in general. You actually have to be good. It doesn’t rely on OHK bullshit or random mechanics for difficulty. It has raw pressure.

@2SSteppin

Жыл бұрын

@@tecnoguy1136 and using some bs heavy weapon

Honestly felt like contest was 5 under instead of 20 under

@fishnutz5196

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it didnt feel right. Patrol ads feel like they are tanker anf hit harder than contest ads. The only thing that felt strong on contest where the Colossus stomps

@Shloob1

Жыл бұрын

@@fishnutz5196 Yea bro I remember going into the patrol on day one and I was hitting enemies for immune ☠

@RikiazGaming

Жыл бұрын

I've been saying since Lightfall came out that it really feels like the power delta has been changed. I did a Legend Lost Sector at -48 and it felt like -25. The raid on contest mode really did not feel like -20 and I didn't even clear it (not for lack of trying but having to LFG 3 people can only go so well.)

@jaredelliott5778

Жыл бұрын

The legend nightfall this week at 15 under felt way harder than the raid. I have a feeling some of the set difficulty levels are tuned incorrectly

@colemartin2229

Жыл бұрын

it still definitely felt like 20 under with high frames, and when I took damage it was pretty large amounts very fast, but all the enemies felt so stupid and almost docile at times, like they were running a "chill no kill" custom games lobby or something

Watching this a year later knowing how hard bungo went for the nuts with the new raid.

The dad's with 17 kids line had me on the floor. As a dad who stopped playing for a while with 1 kid I felt that

@Loderyod

Жыл бұрын

Run, run while you still can! The further you are, the safer your kid will be when Datta comes!

@deusvultpictures6550

Жыл бұрын

That's wat you get when you don't pull out

@rhinochickenflakes9056

Жыл бұрын

To be quite frank, you can be an awesome dad and still be an elite and participate and complete contest mode raids with good coordinated friends ( anyone with 17 kids i salute you i have a hard time managing with 2 lol). Datto just sounds like he is venting because amature teams took his 100 spot. For a man that says the raid was easy ( which it was), he didn't finish in the top 100? I guess the dads beat him. For that dad out there with 17 kids? I salute you brother. You did it, so we dont have to, lol.

@M4sn11

Жыл бұрын

@@rhinochickenflakes9056 it was easy you don’t have to get a placement for it to be easy people just did it faster

@Blanktester685

Жыл бұрын

@@rhinochickenflakes9056 worlds first was 2 hours... it was ez

Bungie really took this video personally when making Salvation's Edge lmao

The biggest issue with contest mode was that Legendary lost sectors were harder than Root on contest mode.

@fishnutz5196

Жыл бұрын

Yeah contest should be grandmaster or harder versions of ads

@Glint391

Жыл бұрын

grand masters are easier than legend lost sectors

@JDxxatteis

Жыл бұрын

That’s because raids and dungeons don’t have the modifier that increase enemy health and can’t be staggered

@generalslorgy7399

Жыл бұрын

Well they raised the difficulty on everything like the strikes and lost sectors. I’m thinking they upped everything but didn’t balance the raid to put it up to speed with the new standard of difficulty of the game

@owendrungle

Жыл бұрын

​@@generalslorgy7399 unless they made every enemy have 5x health and one shot, how would they even make root harder? There's only so far you can go to artificially produce difficultly, this raid is easy because the mechanics are so braindead

It should be quite telling when the majority of the population agrees that the patrol enemies on Neomuna are more difficult to kill then anything in the contest raid.

@DavidWilliams-nu3en

Жыл бұрын

I want to say you're wrong... but you're not 🤣

@trenhen4311

Жыл бұрын

It’s insane how tanky they are. Those quantum wyverns in terminal overload are absolute bullet sponges

@Tylericous

Жыл бұрын

A lot of players wanted all enemies in the game to be like that lol

@solismo7043

Жыл бұрын

I was gonna disagree, but realized you're actually right. Kinda wack.

@iforeverfly

Жыл бұрын

Then y’all would be complaining about bullet sponges, I’ve just come to the conclusion that destiny fans don’t know what they want and will find any and everything to complain about

Heard someone say that Root of Nightmares was actually a Raid Lair: it takes half the time to complete, small mechanics that lead you to the boss. If it is a raid lair I’m unsure why Bungie said nothing about it, but it helps consolidate that weird feeling

@BerryFruit

Жыл бұрын

Nah, the argument for it being a "souped up" dungeon is far stronger. Raid lairs seemed to be small extensions of a previous full raid (Eater, Spire). - Mechanics are very basic (so much so that almost the whole raid has a Solo proof of concept) [EDIT: Every encounter has been solo'ed] - So few mechanics in this raid that the majority of players ad clear because there is nothing to do. - The raid introduces mechanics as it progresses (per usual), but literally out of nowhere, the 3rd encounter comes in. No mechanics used in that encounter exist outside of it, nor does it use any from the rest of the raid. (Almost like it was just slapped in) - Boss health is not scaled properly. Not enough health for a team of 6 There are other small points (and possible coincidences) for the argument, such as: - This raid is the first to have Triumphs that award a higher chance for the exotic (something exclusive to dungeons prior like SotW & Duality). This could just be Bungie expanding the opportunity into raids. - The majority of the raid mods don't have anything to do with the raid (usually, raid mods relate to mechanics or circumstances in the raid). Some do. But most of the mods are very simple, such as getting a Void kill of some kind gets you Volatile Rounds, or Solar kill makes you Radiant (idk exact wording for the mods). Unrelated to the raid, basically. To me, these reasons are more than enough to convince me this was a dungeon turned raid. Maybe I look too much into it, idk. But all that is missing for me is Bungie admitting to it.

this video aged like milk. jokes aside it seems like bungie felt that video from datto and delivered the hardest raid ever in salvations edge

Finally, my opinion has arrived

@S1ick865

Жыл бұрын

FACTS AF

@jakkett1035

Жыл бұрын

Aight this joke getting sorta old

@doglookingatcamera7954

Жыл бұрын

Old

@alyssakitten6006

Жыл бұрын

I actually agree with him quite a bit

@jakkett1035

Жыл бұрын

@@noxiebobo ik

Thanks for all the content and insight over the years Datto. We’re lucky to have you here, and I’m glad you continue to stick around despite the bad eggs/takes. Your level head has always kept me from overreacting, or not fully understanding what others can think. Appreciate you, and give Brim a snoot boop for me.

“Your not gonna get another last wish” oh datto if only you knew at the time.

last wish was cool not because it was hard, its because it was so amazingly designed. It felt high quality

Seeing Nezerac just standing there, 2 inches away from you and doing absolutely nothing while he's being melted was insanely painful. RIP

@Wulfen109

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. I think they should have designed it in a way where standing on the plates is necessary to damage and you had to keep stunning him to extend the dps or something like that.

@imadeamistak4905

Жыл бұрын

noooo! but wells are perfectly balanced guys ! /s

@burtsbees3690

Жыл бұрын

plates shouldve gone up in flames or something. Or like the 3rd encounter plates randomly light up with light or dark depending on nez and standing on the correct plate allows you to damage nez and the wrong plate damages you

@jacob7927

Жыл бұрын

Painful because it took us many hours of fighting nezarec to realize how easy THAT plate was. We tried so many other spots and he thrashed VIOLENTLY

@Keysy007

Жыл бұрын

God of BDSM

Sad that Elitist datto is no longer needed for now. Gonna miss him

@Mislead721

Жыл бұрын

He’s not elite anymore and he can’t take that. It’s not a bad thing but it’s the impression I get. He needs to stop bitching.

@BeenoOnUrDome

Жыл бұрын

@@Mislead721 every single point he made was valid, that’s not bitching

@toban

Жыл бұрын

@@Mislead721 that's a stupid fucking take

@bolt9139

Жыл бұрын

@@Mislead721 you need to grow up and introduce your infantile brain to the concept of criticism.

@zeromythosver.

Жыл бұрын

It’s really pathetic this game got to the point where he’s retiring this bit, not because it lost its charm or humor, but because it’s quite possibly a lost cause that D2 will change ever so why push back on that (even just for show or a laugh) Bungie’s done very well at curating/fostering/encouraging a vocal majority of the playerbase online who rail against any opinion expressed by endgame/aspirational content players; people who will say anything or attack anyone just to see the game not demand more of players (even on contest mode, even if the rewards are cosmetic flexes without gameplay impacts) Just tired of seeing terminally-online players look at those better than them and hate their guts for playing at a higher level than them I remember seeing people better than me at D1 and wanting to get closer to or on their level; now that I’m there all I see from today’s new or average players is spite and contempt (not towards me and often not on an individual level, but towards the very idea of a person being better than them at something) You’re neither allowed to take pride in your accomplishments or growth at this game, or have a place to even accomplish uncommon feats in the first place; these activities are all decried until they’re brought down to the threshold vocal players are already at, rather than asking them to reach up

Anyone else coming back to this video after Salvation's Edge?

As a slightly over mid raider... even though Root was my team's first Day 1 completion. I do agree on how practically easy this seemed. I budgeted around 16-17 hours for completion (roughly 4hrs per encounter to learn and perfect it) and we made it well before that budget. My team was stunned when we found out WF was 2.5 hours. (Shout out to HITP) I agree so much that contest mode felt easy. I wanted to believe that maybe the community had three benefits to making contest easier. 1. 30% resilience 2. Easier mod set ups to have less buff but more time Font of might by adding 2-3 surges and time dilation. 3. So many things were capped where we are lower level by default. (Legendary Campaign, Neomuna Patrol, Lost Sectors) However, things just felt more smooth then it should for a contest raid. The bosses were practically free compared to KF or Vow (the 2 contests I participated in). Each boss was either a 2 phase or at the very least a comfortable 3 phase. It was so free that there were low mans done during contest. The main mechanics felt like a damn dungeon. I remember being stuck on Exhibition for hours due to ad density, heavy call outs, and skill issues (myself included). Where was the difficulty on non damage check encounters? Why weren't Anti barriers one shotting us? Why isn't tormentors suppressing and killing more? That's my expectations for a contest raid and yet everything fell over it seems. At this rate Root of Nightmares should have a solo flawless emblem (I'm exaggerating but ya get the point) Regardless, I'm proud of the achievements my team did and we will be ready for the reprisal hopefully expecting more of a challenge than what Root of Nightmares offered. Cheers to everyone that did it! Be proud no matter what but please make it more of a challenge next time.

@kaxru2459

Жыл бұрын

😊😊

I do agree that it is ridiculous that a weekly mission and nightfalls are more stressful than a raid 😂.

@pecador_tor

Жыл бұрын

literally 🤣🤣🤣

@knowledgeseeker3068

Жыл бұрын

The weekly mission is easy for a team that works together prepares a strategy and communicates. Its only hard for most people because they refuse to do so, Destiny players refuse to communicate and work as a team I can't wait for the GM version I will dance to the screams.

@marvinvogtde

Жыл бұрын

I would argue that even the weekly missions are for the most part piss easy, did the master one in the first week 35 underlight with some friends and we didn't even struggle once, we just fucked around with strand for the most part

@christianmarineau8079

Жыл бұрын

I think this says a lot about how overtuned that content is though (not that the raid isn't easy, but still)

@subzero308

Жыл бұрын

Because this didn't have bullet sponges and enemies that hit like trucks... That's why this raid is fun. NFs and other "end game" stuff is not fun when ur fighting bullet sponge enemies that hit u like a truck while we r nerfed to the ground its BORING playing like that and its not a challenge...its bad game design... At least we can go in run something and just have fun and get stuff we actually want. Also who Tf stresses over a video game 😂 smh... Destiny players r wild ctfu.

It’s very odd that their whole bringing challenge back to Destiny applied to everything outside the raids. Who asked for lost sectors and patrols to feel frustrating.

@supranova7594

Жыл бұрын

Literally elitist Datto and Co. Lol 🤡 Like don't get me wrong, I was also down with some things being a little more dicey with power caps 100%. But they kept pointing out how lost sectors took 5min runs and outside of GMs nights falls were a joke... well they got their wish. The rest of the game is so aggravatingly hard in terms of enemy density and bullet spongeiness, mixed with our ability nerfs on top of weapon archetypes still being shite from shadowkeep, all in addition to being punished for playing the game at a normal 60fps... that once outside of those activities now everything is ridiculously easy. The amount of sweating my a** off hard in legend campaign to 180 turn your brain off easy during the strike mid way through. My and girl couldn't help but laugh at the easiness the rest of the game felt after. I feel bad that a sweet new raid felt this easy to a lot of people literally watched sweatcicle flawless it during contest mode... but when bungies busy overhauling everything else to be an unfun not worthwhile headache cuz they asked for it then unfortunately they can't really be that upset their day1 raid is not up to snuff

@atomic_adam2191

Жыл бұрын

@@supranova7594 skill issue 💀

@Wav03

Жыл бұрын

@@atomic_adam2191 literally bro. We’re too good

@pulsevzero

Жыл бұрын

@@supranova7594 idk I’m pretty sure plenty of people talked about how raids outside of contest felt like a joke for years. Bungie for whatever reason didn’t think to apply this new mindset they have to the mainline pinnacle content once a year.

@isaiahbridges7442

Жыл бұрын

@@supranova7594 no

the fact that last wish is closer to d1 launch than now is crazy man, feels like just yesterday

@jprosey

Жыл бұрын

just shows you how old this game is. Ppl fail realize this IP is coming to an end

@jumwum6505

Жыл бұрын

@Prosey 757 I don’t think destiny as an IP is coming to an end. It makes too much money and bungie probably has something it’s cooking to keep it workers employed past the next two years.

I'm actually pissed about this too, I'm not a hardcore player but day one raids weren't for me and I understood and accepted that. It was always there for me to try eventually but now that it's easy there's no point 😭 I never wanted a guarantee day one clear, that's pathetic it's a contest for a reason

Love it when Datto actually speaks his mind and isn’t just moderating

@pee-pee_mama

Жыл бұрын

wdym?

@inoob26

Жыл бұрын

​@@pee-pee_mama he has always had the stance of "X cant happen cuz Y" and for the most part tolerates stuff in the game. Now "Elitist Datto" is out more often than normal.

@Oblivious__EDC

Жыл бұрын

@@inoob26 he’s literally never had that stance what are you taking about ?

@erichall090909

Жыл бұрын

@@Oblivious__EDCI mean he is usually that. It’s not a bad thing

I loved the final "YOU GAVE THEM HOW MUCH POWER AMMO??!??" But yeah honestly we cleared in 12 hours but the bosses really fell over. We spent more time trying not to die from bumpers than doing third and final encounter.

@Jagexii

Жыл бұрын

Seriously, aside from a few breaks because my team was in Australia, the most time consuming part of contest was the 2nd encounter launchers that we kept wiping on due to janky physics.

@ExtraordinaryFate

Жыл бұрын

12 hours is way too long, good lord.

@kentuckyjones7242

Жыл бұрын

Pretty new to D2. Are there other modes of the raid? And if so.. what are we talking about. I played wow for 15 years. World first raiders never cared about the Normal/Heroic raids or the “world firsts” of them. Now, if this is the only difficulty for D2 raiding, I get it.

@j.a.terlato2461

Жыл бұрын

@@kentuckyjones7242 it is the only difficulty, we also are getting the master version sometime soon but apparently it’s going to be easier??? Kinda disappointing that nothing is actually challenging anymore

@Dabagel100

Жыл бұрын

My team well and shatter skated across way more consistent

Joe Blackburn heard Datto say we will never get another last wish and he respond with "you wanna bet a fuckin raid belt on it"

5:37 The timing of the Tormentor ascending on screen and the little chuckle as he speaks is so perfect. lol

If it makes you feel any better Elitist Datto, your commentary has inspired me to start doing solo dungeons. I can see your perspective, but I hope you know that your efforts weren't entirely in vain.

@RUSHYRUSHY39

Жыл бұрын

I’ve been able to solo every dungeon until the Calus one.

@punchykarma6685

Жыл бұрын

@@RUSHYRUSHY39 Yea duality is a tough one mainly just with the final boss

@Jagexii

Жыл бұрын

@@RUSHYRUSHY39 interesting, i found duality was the easiest. No sparrow parts which got me dozens of times on Grasp. I only failed solo flawless duality because of incendior boops on the last dmg phase of the boss fight. But to be fair, prime solar 3.0 made duality a cakewalk with classy restoration.

@mkloven101

Жыл бұрын

@@Jagexii i almost had duality but at final boss the fucking bell killed me, was so heated

@MrAncop

Жыл бұрын

@@Jagexii the bells always get me, everything is easy until the second encounter, the timing is tight but then you have to deal with the RNG of the boops, that somehow can launch you at 300mph to the nearest wall.

I wish the Nezarec fight was a bit more true to his theme. I would've never thought he was some immensely powerful telepath here. He only seemed like a super Tormentor. I wish there was some mechanic where half the raid team would be sucked into a dream world where they had to fight nightmares or phantoms while the other half had to defend the sleepers and wake them up. Or maybe Nezarec could control a horde of enemies in perfect synchronization. He suffers from the same implementation issues Calus did. Edit: Here's another thing I want to mention: Enemies without a voice have been boring for me. The Vex are the main culprit. I believe a big reason Savathun and Oryx were so good were because they spoke. Eramis isn't my favorite, but I like her much more than other villains. Hell, I remember her name at the very least. So when I saw Nezarec messing around in the Vex Network, I thought he might become their voice. Yet the raid came and went and no connection to the Vex at all. He was just another Cabal, the Super Psion.

@joshuavidrine889

Жыл бұрын

Once again, Bungie shows the only teams who brought their A-game to the Lightfall DLC were the Raid environment team and the Strand designers. The rest of the studio just crammed stuff in and hoped the players would find it acceptable.

@alexdiaz155

Жыл бұрын

He doesn’t even have the same grasp attack as a tormentor. He’s almost a neutered version of the basic enemy based off him. If the final shape boss (presumably the Witness) can’t destroy Wells, Bubbles, and Tethers, it will be even more mocked than this raid.

@storm_5088

Жыл бұрын

I agree. I mean, the title of the raid is quite literally, The *Root of Nightmares.* I was thinking about this after my first raid completion, considering we’ve known Nezarec as the original disciple of the lunar pyramid, something associated as the SOURCE of the nightmares since Shadowkeep, maybe Season of Plunder? (Might have to check my lore knowledge on that, anyway.) What didn’t make sense at all, was the Cabal bosses. Sure, Calus’ loyalists are here to assist the Witness, but wouldn’t Nezarec, even with a crumb of his power be able to conjure SOMETHING relative to the lunar nightmares. I mean, even after Season of the Haunted and the cursed-nightmare Leviathan, where the Hell are the Nightmares!?! Regardless, I was hoping for some weird Morgeth looking boss. Maybe a Tormentor who is the “Conjurer of Nightmares!” or something, who was hit with the Traveler beam, and now that very Tormentor is an eldritch abomination of both the nightmares and light. No, instead, we got the Cabal. I’m even more disappointed Nezarec wasn’t even something of nightmarish. What did we get, my friend? Rhulk on anabolic steroids, who proceeds to serenade you during the entire raid. I think the Witness was feeling goofy and decided to combine his three disciples- Rhulk, Nezarec, and Calus, into one guy. Looks like Rhulk, acts like Nezarec, talks fanfiction to you like Calus. But? Oh well. Many hoped for this raid to save the expansion, and it didn’t. That doesn’t make the raid not enjoyable though, but overall; lack of lore, lack of depth, lack of consistency. We only seem to have our memories of an actual impactful raid now.

@joshuavidrine889

Жыл бұрын

@@storm_5088 Well said, it feels like this Nezarec was a half-hearted attempt at throwing half a bone to the Lorelocks without putting in any effort. "You wanna know about Nezarec, well here he is as a raid boss! Happy?" It just feels like more filler that attempted to put a cap on some lore that didn't need a cap put on it.

@Justadadonthetok

Жыл бұрын

That sounds like the calus fight in the leviathan. Think people would have hated seeing something so similar.

I was ecstatic to finally get a contest mode completion for the emblem. Once I saw that 45k people had beat contest mode it really took the wind from under my sail. I dont really feel accomplished from it now.

@fabledredd4481

Жыл бұрын

​@@anunusualname5344 you fail to recognise how many teams tried to clear it. I'm pretty sure over 50% of the teams that entered on DAY ONE CONTEST CLEARED IT. very weird take that it wasn't way too many

@shatteredakuma

Жыл бұрын

Yeah people say that you should still feel accomplished, which you should, in your clear but how can you? Bungie made this raid so piss easy that your accomplishment doesn't mean much even compared to deep stone crypt

Another banger! 🔥🔥 We need that Elitist Datto video playlist!

I have a feeling this was supposed to be a dungeon that they stretched out into a "raid". Three encounters are the same aesthetically and the planet room feels way off. Not to mention the orb mechanic can be done with 1-2 people.

@v0id19

Жыл бұрын

I absolutely subscribe to this spinfoil theory. This entire expansion felt like a season, and the raid absolutely could have been the accompanying dungeon, would also explain the ridiculously long platforming sections with the wipe mechanic which felt really out of place in a raid (imagine a 45 second respawn timer there haha).

@ethandeis7427

Жыл бұрын

Don’t forget that it would make more sense for the planet room to be on the witnesses ship

@MonkeyDChevy

Жыл бұрын

@@ethandeis7427 was it not the witnesses ship tho?

@nuclearshiba3222

Жыл бұрын

@@MonkeyDChevy no it was Nezarec's

@thecanadiankiwibirb4512

Жыл бұрын

Would also explain why Spire's bosses are literally just a big Wyvern and the big harpy from encounter 1/2 of GoS As if this is true they would have had to make a new dungeon really quickly.

Elitist Datto will be missed

@DeepHibiscus

Жыл бұрын

nah

@IzanamisBurden

Жыл бұрын

no we wont

@brandoncmn

Жыл бұрын

@@IzanamisBurden yes he will 🥰

@knowledgeseeker3068

Жыл бұрын

Nope he won't, hearing him cry for almost a half hour was amazing. I poured wine and had cheese (i actually did) no one cares about the top .00001% and if they quit the game someone else will take up the mantle. They make good content and I assume do well, he should be happy and focus on that.

@faesira

Жыл бұрын

@@knowledgeseeker3068 spoken like somebody who doesn't know how to do the ball mechanic in corrupted but expects day 1 contest to be handed to them

I really hope datto quotes that last wish section

my theory is that this raid was designed specifically with in-game lfg in mind, which was originally planned to be released alongside it. I think bungie thought that having this option in game would make it so that more random lfg players would be uncommunicative, so they made mechanics that were less communication focused. The problem with that is raids are entirely communication driven. Without having to organize everyone while also not getting killed is much harder than just focusing on enemies or on where a ball of light is pointing.

@jumwum6505

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think raids have to be communication driven. I do think this raid was too easy. In my opinion there shouldn’t be revive tokens and the baseline adds should be keeping one or two players down at all times. The mechanics are something the team does amongst the chaos

Something that should have absolutely been mentioned in the last wish segment is that, the BEST part of the raid mechanically, 99% of people who have ever done the raid have Never engaged with the mechanics of the most engaging encounter in the game from a mechanic perspective. People look back on Last wish like it's amazing, but an encounter with a lot of mechanics, which really just revolves around remembering 2 bits of information at any time, people just SKIP it.

@belugawhales5843

Жыл бұрын

Vault was a mad encounter on day 1 but oh boy was it fun to watch. I wish that it wasn’t so easy to skip an encounter in a raid because it kind of defeats the purpose of the whole thing. On the other hand I don’t want my baby, shuro-chi, taken away from me for that free chest and weapon grinding whenever needed. The skips have its purpose, but if you introduced people who played d2 for a bit and put them into vault. They would be so lost.

@trickytreyperfected1482

Жыл бұрын

​@@belugawhales5843 Oh I thought Greeny was talking about Riven since I haven't gotten there in the video yet. Which honestly just shows how the community feels about actually doing the raid and all its mechanics lol

@chrisn3819

Жыл бұрын

To this day I have approx 25 LW clears and never once did riven legit. I won’t pretend like I ask to do it legit every time, but from clears 15-25 if I didn’t come straight out and request it, I at least hinted to it and you would have though I murdered my fireteams grandmothers with the way the coms went SO silent and their rage radiating from their mics to my headset. I suppose that what I get for never finding a dedicated raid team and always relying on LFG.

@sirmcdust5572

Жыл бұрын

@@chrisn3819 I remember in my clan we were running Riven relatively often (still no 1K sadge) and one day the clan leader was talking about Riven legit and I just casually asked how it works and in that moment he realized I had never done it legit. His immediate response was: alright guys, time to do Riven legit. And I must say, that was an amazing experience but would I put myself through it everytime if I can just do cheese? Unlikely.

@JTKing77

Жыл бұрын

​@Tricky Trey Perfected At this point, there are probably more players that don't know Riven even has other mechanics than players that do know... lol 😆

The way I saw it, it felt like a World’s First event for a 6-man Legendary Campaign Mission. It was still a very fun event, but I can’t help but think more challenge would have been welcome.

@emifda8466

Жыл бұрын

Man legendary campaign was harder than this lol

@ELVIStheDotA

Жыл бұрын

A 6-man Legendary Campaign with scaling on would be several times harder than this.

That Last Wish part at the end 💀 Also that quip at 17:30 i guess the answer to that was for them to blank their screens entirely

As a well above average Guardian. I agree with this take. I don’t want people to fail miserably at and not want to raid, but when I logged onto check who won, I couldn’t believe it was beat in 2.5 hours. Absolutely floored. The whole thing about contest mode is to he cracked hard. To see who the best are. It’s fun seeing these teams with Datto or Cross bang their head on the wall lol. I think the opening weekend numbers being high is great but the day 1 shouldn’t. It’s disappointing to see that there isn’t much to learn, just go in there and shoot 🤷‍♂️. Boosting enemy density in the game is nice but not at the expense of mechanics. Datto isn’t also wrong about how insane Nightfall and the Exotic mission are. Those things are on legendary ffs. Raising the difficulty is cool but why not raise it in places it should be. It’s weirdly high in normal situations. It all points to the fact that they don’t know how to deal with guardian power creep.

My team fell short on Vow but got this raid. I’m still proud and happy but acknowledge how much easier this one was. We didn’t start until hours later and still finished it quickly. I was hoping for another Vow experience because even if we didn’t get it that was some of the most fun I’ve had in this game. Really unfortunate with the direction it went in

@sirjoan6645

Жыл бұрын

Same, although we were very happy with completing, i think it was much easier than Vow We got to 3rd encounter in 3-5 hours after the start

@doomsday_72

Жыл бұрын

Vow imo is the best raid bc it relies on mechanics the most which is what raids should rely on in my opinion

@royshavrick

Жыл бұрын

@@doomsday_72 Eh. It was okay, I just felt like it was far too mechanics heavy. It slowed down the gameplay and made it very tedious rather than a good balance. It isn't even that hard if you just have the symbol names down. It also didn't really feel as epic as Last Wish, where although there are mechanics it still felt tense. Same with Kings Fall and DSC and VoG to a lesser extent (they are a bit too easy).

Never change Datto, 3 days for this video was worth it No seriously this side of you will always be cherished

@revfunk8823

Жыл бұрын

🤡🤡🤡

@Duva_

Жыл бұрын

@@revfunk8823🤡

@hypemaddox

Жыл бұрын

​@Simply Lethul I like how he respond to this mins in the video and how u ignore the man's prev achievements

@yhuali5120

Жыл бұрын

@@simplylethul this mf definitely didn’t do it on contest

@slamcheck

Жыл бұрын

@@simplylethul man im losing braincells reading youtube comments like yours. because he wasnt 1st he isnt allowed to say its easy? . do you have a working brain? do you know how to talk ? oh wait i forgot something 🤣🤣🤣

First video of yours I've watched. Thank you for articulating my rage in a concise manner.

Can’t believe Elitist Datto has been sealed into the Destiny Content Vault😢

@AutisticTyson

Жыл бұрын

Damn you Luke smith

Big thanks to Datto for this well developed critique. Contest mode was so easy people were farming sherpa clears. I did it twice for fun. Low man community had a lot of fun running through the raid showing that even in contest mode you don’t need a full fireteam to clear ads

@o0rolyat0o

Жыл бұрын

See that important word there? *FUN*

@shagoremagala

Жыл бұрын

@@o0rolyat0o Yes, because the raid is fun. But thats not the sole point of Contest lmao I havent seen a single person complain that the Raid is boring easy =/= unfun

@beardedshuckle5220

Жыл бұрын

same shit as making an easy game hard with nuzlockes and other harder challenges. just handicapping to make a fun challenge cause the challenge isnt there

@mpraka

Жыл бұрын

wich content creator? i wanna see that because every wipe people were leaving and i had a time limit and i feel like i didnt even have time to attemps nezarec. thank you

@MiaisAFK

Жыл бұрын

I solo all the way up to 3rd encounter and 3man the whole raid on contest, I'm so bored of this

I agree with every argument you made Datto, but more than that I agree with the emotions underneath it. It's crushing to see the best day in the destiny year end so insanely fast. Thanks for making this video man! I hope this feedback reaches Bungie.

I keep coming back to this video because of how much it represents Datto’s passion for the game and how the general community doesn’t understand that certain things they say to people can vastly effect them in a negative way (legit, it felt depressing to hear Datto on what sounded like the verge of tears because of how much backlash the general community can cause). I hope you get World’s First one day man. You deserve it. We also deserve raid experiences that earns their reputation for being challenging endgame activities that are always at their hardest on Day 1, regardless of who wins the race or not. The race is temporary, the challenge is forever.

@ssud11

Ай бұрын

Eh he just sounded but salty to me for not getting it done fast enough.

The fact that the entierty of RoN can be done with 0 comms tells you how easy this dungeon is.

I think it's time Elitist Datto gets his own channel, he definitely deserves it

I hope we hear from the raid team soon, i highly doubt bungie wanted this to be as easy as it was

@Someguy6571

Жыл бұрын

kinda late now

@cethien

Жыл бұрын

@@Someguy6571 true, but if they at least acknowledge it, maybe the next one wont have this problem

@davidmcdevitt7583

Жыл бұрын

I mean they spent a long time designing it like this, they just either made it easier intentionally or brought their B game. My guess is they made it easy intentionally

@diddlebop7481

Жыл бұрын

​@@davidmcdevitt7583 Yeah I remember when Aztecross was saying "Either Bungie is about to make the hardest raid ever, or the most free raid ever." It was for sure free af

@kypdurron62

Жыл бұрын

You'll never hear a single word from them on this. Bungie is one of the worst studios for communication

20:03 this aged like wine

Can someone explain the picture bottom right, love Datto ever since he did Last Wish

My team cleared the day1 within 3 hours and we placed sixth. 2 of our teammembers had no idea what almost any of the mechanics were for the entire run. That's just absurdly stupid imo. Great video, thanks for speaking up on this as a bigger figure.

@DynoStyr

Жыл бұрын

most destiny 2 raid shit i ever heard

@luk4aaaa

Жыл бұрын

Good job and I agree that the raid was too easy, however because 3 of the people on my team rarely got 1 million damage on any boss I’m kinda glad it was easier just so I got it done lol.

Datto hits the nail on the head. Contest being extended and more clears happening aren't the issue; the issue is the scale/intensity of the challenge not measuring up to how powerful guardians have become.

@iltwixli2379

Жыл бұрын

Try to tell entitled 50yo harald that still complains that this raid was too hard (he had no mods equipped and used double primary. I wish i was joking but someone in reddif seriously said this)

@rezz836

Жыл бұрын

That’s exactly it. I really don’t believe that the “damage check” should hard stop 95% of teams. First to figure out the mechanics really should win. But also the combat difficulty should feel a little tougher for sure

@scofozo

Жыл бұрын

@@rezz836 you shouldn't be able to kill the boss with rat kings only on contest mode

@shatteredakuma

Жыл бұрын

@@rezz836 then where is the challenge? the damage check is the show of skill once youve mastered the mechanics

@yosup7400

Жыл бұрын

@@scofozo Nobody did. Did you watch the video? Rat King was used only for final stand when everyone ran out of heavy and special.

Don’t worry things get better in the final shape

My take is that the NORMAL raid shouldn't be too hard, most of the players should be able to experience it, it's pretty, it has story content and most people who want to play it should be able to if they go into it with a reasonable setup... however that's why contest mode should exist, make CONTEST mode very difficult, make that one for the elitists, let them enjoy their challenge while letting a majority of the player base experience the normal mode and enjoy what the game has to offer

I don’t raid. I did a few in D1 but have never done any in D2. But one thing I love is new raid day. Getting on to Twitch and flicking between the best players the game has competing to see who really is the best. And I’ve enjoyed quite a few of these day 1 experiences. Last Wish will forever be my favourite watching experience. I’m not sure some of the people taking part would agree, but watching everyone struggle made this game look difficult and the raid was the pinnacle of PvE. Fast forward to Root of Nightmares and seeing it completed with not much effort really disappointed me. I’m with the elite here. I wanted a challenge to sit and watch. I wanted a long session watching these guys try and figure out mechanics and then doing them. These guys are amazing and an absolute credit to the Destiny community with their ability to figure out things. I could never, that’s why I don’t raid. I hope Bungie realise how bad this made the top tier of content look and sort it out for the next one. I would hate to see Final Shape end on a whimper.

@pjerdujmovic1308

Жыл бұрын

Imagine wanting the game to be watchable instead of playable. Root of nighmares saw the hughest day 1 player engagement out of any raids so far. You literally want something as big as day 1 raiding to feel and be exclusive to the no life sociopaths of this comunity because their fragile egos got hurt.

@batwing5808

Жыл бұрын

@@pjerdujmovic1308 My brother in christ, it is a CONTEST mode raid it happens once a year and is meant for the "no life sociopaths". Hardcore players get this kind of event very rarely so to see it be such a joke is a massive disappointment. Not everything in the game should be accessible to people with 8 hours played in the last 2 years.

@HarryNesbitt-fu3yr

Жыл бұрын

@@pjerdujmovic1308 YES that’s why contest mode exists it’s only for 2 days. Raiding should be accessible to everyone outside of contest but a brand new raid should not be completed in 2.5 hours when your 20 below. It’s beyond a joke

@applenewmoon4402

Жыл бұрын

@@pjerdujmovic1308 dude contest mode is for skilled players lmao. I hope final shape be the hardest raid ever just to spite you new lights

@flashdr1ve

Жыл бұрын

@@applenewmoon4402 takes like that is the reason why some people just outright dont want to raid when the “destiny veterans” is a community full of guys like you

Thank you for putting all of this in a much nicer way than I could. Day 1 was ridiculous.

fun to watch this after Salvation's Edge

Can’t wait for this guy to see TFS raid

My favourite kind of encounter is the encounter where you have a short timer and you have to get from A->B but need to do mechanics and clear ads. Shuro Chi from Last Wish and Exhibition from Vow of the Disciple are my top two. I really enjoy Root of Nightmares because of that but the encounters felt like they were missing something critical to make them more challenging: a lockout. That buff lockout really sells the encounter in Exhibition. It forces the rest of the team to learn the relics so it isn't just one person doing one task. And the relics aren't mechanically hard either. It's just relic + timer + combat + communication = a nicely tuned encounter. And that's what Root of Nightmares is missing currently. Other wise, I really enjoy it (I used to agree that hard raids are fun raids, but as I've gotten older and have gotten less will8ng to put up with the shenanigans of lfg, fun raids aren't necessarily hard raids for me).

@joisama

Жыл бұрын

I don't know about difficulty, but Vow's Exhibition run is probably my favorite raid encounter all raids included. And that's despite all the lfg problems with that one

@IAmWhiteEagle

Жыл бұрын

"the orbs have been disrupted" is a lock out.

@yaelcarrasquillo1675

Жыл бұрын

I havent run LW that many times but I can definitely agree with VOW take. Love that raid so much I even got myself Disciple-Slayer.

@oldmanwolffe5248

Жыл бұрын

I like exhibition a lot too, I just don’t do it much because I don’t have friends and LFG teams make it feel more like purgatory

@SunnyBloop

Жыл бұрын

Raids should never have situations where 1 or more players are just "killing adds"; if that happens, the encounters feel weaker as a result, because not everyone is realistically contributing to engaging with what makes Raids fun to begin with. I'm getting flash backs to Crota's End with Root... Only this time it feels more like a Dungeon than a Strike lmao. (And, to give some credit to that, first encounter felt fun in a 3 man.)

Honestly, the hardest ‘mechanic’ to overcome was the frame rate issue. We didn’t prep and made it through the first two encounters in 3 hours, learning the mechanic ourselves. We weren’t planning on running contest mode at all so we called it quits after that. Too bad too. This would have been an easy emblem. I agree 100% contest mode didn’t feel dangerous. Normal mode feels easier than the seasonal content.

@CountZacula77

Жыл бұрын

Nah the final encounter was way harder than the first 3.

@adamd2342

Жыл бұрын

To be fair the levels jump up for the 3rd and 4th encounters so it does get tougher, but yes, first 2 encounters were not difficult in the slightest.

@NathanShepard

Жыл бұрын

3rd and 4th are way harder than the first two encounters. We breezed by the first two struggled for a minute on the third. 4th gave us the most issue.

@panavisions

Жыл бұрын

Dude literally played the easiest part of the raid, took him 3 HOURS and he says "It would have been an easy emblem" yeah sure lol

@Eclipse4589

Жыл бұрын

Hardest encounter was the fucking 2-3 jumping puzzle

I didn't initially plan to attempt contest mode but on saturday night I found a team willing to try a fresh run, in about half the time it took my VoW team to get to caretaker and give up we got to the planets encounter. We never did complete contest mode since we started so late and no one was really prepared for it but the raid is definitely easier than others. This raid is gonna pretty easy to sherpa which is fine but it also sets a bad example for raids having most of the team just be ad clear.

On the topic of Last Wish being unusually epic - Ya know how when you're in life-threatening situations, you get a huge boost of adrenaline and can do things you normally can't, like lifting a car off of someone? That's your body disabling its safety systems because you can't be safe ever again if you're dead. That was Bungie with Forsaken - pull out all the stops or the game gets canned. It's simply impossible to put out raids of that scale year after year, but it had to be done that one time out of sheer desperation.

Remember when the tracer shanks in DSC shot non-sniper shots? Or when every other enemy would just walk around and not shoot at you, especially in encounter 3/4? It got tuned, and though it's still not the highest of combat challenge, it's definitely better. Hopefully something similar is coming here. In a perfect world, Nezarec has a grab attack similar to the tormentors that'll mess us up if we're on those platforms. I know it's probably not possible, but who knows what'll change? Side note, I wish after running light & dark at the boss, you had to have one Guardian get grabbed in the above way by Nezarec to expose his chest again, so the rest of the team could shoot it and stun him to start damage. More mechanics like that would spice things up.

@cameronsalmon1314

Жыл бұрын

Adjust the platforms so that you aren’t invulnerable. Maybe when your connecting the dots you’d be targeted by Nezarec similar to a normal tormentor? And other players could stun Nezarec, which would involve other players.

@Odin1177

Жыл бұрын

He should be able to grab the whole team, and threaten your health bar at the very least. should spell doom for teams who don't add clear very well. This grab should reduce your health below your shield making you absolute, but Well of radiance is still in the game!

@ethandeis7427

Жыл бұрын

My idea is to get his agro you have to let him grab you. The longer he holds you the more stacks of Nezarecs hatred you get. At ten you die. To get him to drop you your team mates have to shoot his shoulders and chest. If you should the chest and shoulders in a certain order when he drops you you lose all stacks of hatred. The order can be seen by the people who have the light/dark buff. If the order is messed up he still drops you but someone else will have to grab agro. As for damage phase I don’t know

glad you posted this, I’ve never done a day 1 raid besides king’s fall (no challenge) and its sooo frustrating watching people online, especially in the subreddit, praising the contest mode zero brain activity in there

After my clear I was giving an advice to my clanmate on what to bring to a raid. My first question was: "Why don't you have an exotic armor equipped?" and his response was: "i'm not into that". I rolled my eyes, give him some weapon advice and left for the day. Next day he got a clear. Clear sign on the raid challange. Edit: on contest ofc

More elitist datto. I want elitist datto on everything. I'm all for elitist datto

I LOVE watching Day 1 raids. I literally go over to my buddies house and we treat it like the super bowl. When the party was over after 2:30 we kinda just sat there like "okay now what do we do?" We had the whole night prepared to be on the couch cheering everyone on. It doesn't just suck for the elites, it sucks for all the people treating this like an actual sports event!

@harrison127

Жыл бұрын

I cancelled plans for Friday and Saturday, so did most members of my team. We cleared at around 5:30 Eastern and just kind of sat in discord for the rest of the night in disbelief. Honestly we weren’t even proud of ourselves for such a high finish, we were more just sad that an experience we used to love has been lost.

@elifarmer2935

Жыл бұрын

It's like watching a Super Bowl that ends like 13-9. Like...that's it? We got together and went through all this prep and got all hyped up for THAT?

@campbellclark2988

Жыл бұрын

I agree, Raid night for me is watching all the streams and usually messing about on my own take doing easy stuff. The Last Wish was epic but Datto is right that it won’t happen again. Saturday night is when the non elite get to play for me. This two day nonsense and a 2.5 hour WF is ridiculous. Second encounter we did the no kill the immune enemies challenge on our first ever run. That’s ridiculous and it’s because after 2 days all the elite gamers had beat it so many times they were already cutting corners and working on challenges.

@koibitocorazon6365

Жыл бұрын

Right?! I had my snacks ready and everything. I was SALTY

@tajaehickson9791

Жыл бұрын

This was the first year I was gonna host a day 1 raid party. A couple friends had work in the morning but they said they get to the party about 3 hours after it started and I responded "it's a 48 hr raid race, you'll be fine" boy was I wrong!

Another excruciating watch thank you datto for your baby rage

so, is there a reason why we can't have bi-monthly events where for a weekend theres like, -30/-40 power cap on older raids like last wish for people to (somewhat) experience day 1s we were'nt able to experience.

yo dayton what lmg are you using honestly what’s your entire load out?

I’ve watched along multiple day 1 races, and participated in a few. In each race, I can distinctively remember a feeling of awe, like “how tf are they gonna do this?” Or “how would they have enough damage for this check?” And even been in that situation myself with Caretaker day 1. Beating Caretaker day one, because we made the call to swap to Ourbreak for total dmg, and killing him on final stand, was one of my most treasured memories in the game. Was watching the race the other day since I decided to not buy LF, I felt things were off. Things like Datto killing stuff a bit too fast with his mg, or how they didn’t hurt nearly as much. Ppl using speed running strats with eager edge instead of playing their lives, and the absolute lack of tension when damaging Nezarec. It really lacked any of the key ingredients of a typical day 1 raid. I hope Bungie learns and maintains the magic of their raids, cuz the inherent difficulty is a key ingredient imo.

I almost cheered when he mentioned the difficulty spike of patrol. When the community said that aspects of the game weren't challenging enough, I don't know why Bungie thought they were referring to patrol. Blows my mind that they thought putting us 15 under in patrol was a way to solve that.

normal mode is just a 1 hour strike , why bungie just dont add it to strike playlist already

As someone who stopped playing when life got busy right when d2 launched, it’s been quite a rollercoaster to watch Datto’s videos through the years. It seemed like after some hiccups end-game content was steadily moving in the right direction, but ah well…

You really put it into perspective when you said about how the legend exotic mission and legend nightfall are harder than the raid. You're right, that shouldn't be the case, the more I think about it, the more funny (and sad) it is... if Crota's End ends up being the reprised raid, then oh boy, this year of raiding is gonna be a joke.

@ForgeCrow

Жыл бұрын

Crota should be a dungeon it's just wholeass not a raid they lying if they pretend it is

@kjax139

Жыл бұрын

After this raid, I’m very very sad I purchased this expansion. I was hoping the raid would redeem the campaign…it just made it worse

@ForgeCrow

Жыл бұрын

@@kjax139 I mean its still a fun and good raid, the balance team was just smoking some grass on final pas

@kjax139

Жыл бұрын

@@ForgeCrow the only fun part I had was launching myself and trying to kill my friends. Other than that I did exactly what datto said. Spray my machine gun

@ForgeCrow

Жыл бұрын

@@kjax139 Do it again without a machine gun then. It's the same as doing Last Wish, the enemies are brain dead weak but the fun is playing the raid itself.

My team had to do two days worth of this raid because the mechanics just felt so inconsistent. Second encounter, our nodes just wouldn't give us the buff sometimes or the final node qouldn't light up so we couldn't progress to the next floor, Nezarec sometimes just wouldn't do his pulse so we'd have to guess or wipe, that's the only reason the raid was challenging to my group. Idk what we were doing wrong for these things to happen, since I haven't seen anyone mention them elsewhere.

Having gotten to Nezarec with my team (and being bummed my own disregard for myself kept me from the emblem), it feels terrible now that this raid didn't feel as individually challenging, on contest, for me as clearing a Master VoG did. To have to build around the Sacrificial Wyverns, around the fresh Divinity nerf, and around Atheon, this just came in and just took the surges as the utmost important mod in the raid and nothing else. I can't say I'm looking forward to a Master Root because I'm really not. It's just going to end up feeling more or less the same with unnecessary modifiers that no one has still asked for.

IMO the biggest contributor to why this raid has been underwhelming was because it was another "connect the dots" mechanic like Spire of the Watcher. When your mechanic doesn't require you to engage with the enemies, that's bad raid mechanic design. It's why loads of people had more fun on the Planet encounter because it completely ditches that "connect the dots" mechanic and opted for something completely different. It just feels like the RAD team at Bungie has ran out of ideas for interesting and challenging encounter designs because with the 4 encounter design, on top of reusing previous encounters' mechanics is getting really stale IMO. D2 King's Fall and Last Wish was what every raid should be; every encounter should feel and play different from each other.

@bTabard

Жыл бұрын

The Planet encounter IS a connect the dots mechanic, but a well done one. I feel like that was supposed to be the first encounter, and agree with everyone else that the other 3 feel like they came from a dungeon they were working on

@MattTheHuman9

Жыл бұрын

A simple mechanic isn’t the problem imo. The problem is that only 2 people have to interact with mechanics. The fact that the planet encounter is where a lot of people got stuck shows the problem with this raid, cause to get that done smoothly at least 4 people need to interact with the mechanics.

@mriguy7989

Жыл бұрын

Their raid design and dungeon design philosophy is that each subsequent encounter builds upon the previous one. So throughout the raid, you're learning the mechanics a little bit at a time and then they all culminate (for the most part) at the final boss. This can be seen in Last Wish (to an extent), Garden of Salvation, Deep Stone Crypt, Vow of the Disciple, and now in Root of Nightmares. Kings Fall's even does this to an extent with every boss requiring some form of "stand in this aura to do dps", but not as heavily as the newer D2 raids (but this is to be expected because KF is a D1 raid, where the design philosophy wasn't the same as it is now). Asking for something different is asking the raid design team to literally throw out everything they've done to this point and have them start over from scratch with their ideas. Not saying it would never happen, it just probably won't happen any time soon (as in not while Destiny 2 is still the mainline, current game of the franchise).

27:44 caught me off guard LMFAO. It never fails, every time there's always a little segment in the beginning somewhere in the middle sprinkled in the end that has datto breaking his script for a moment and it's always hilarious. 😂

@Eclipse4589

Жыл бұрын

Haha yeah. Bricks from beyond is just ridiculous went back and did a trio rhulk after the new raid after he died I looked around and saw 13 god damn bricks on the floor. Da fuck

@youngburgerpatty

Жыл бұрын

with the fuckin scout mod for allies too my god man, mfers used to get booted out the raid for not having heavy synths LMAO

i love watching this vid from time to time, the sass is so good

Man I was hoping this raid to be longer to beat for the elites, seeing people falling sleep and sitting down for more than 6-7 hours on one encounter that was memorable. I couldn’t jump on contest or normal yet since my internet kept dropping me.

Retrofit with bricks from beyond is absolutely hilarious and one of the wildest things Bungie unintentionally created😊

@nomad-8260

Жыл бұрын

I’ve been using a commemoration as my primary since I got the bricks mod and I don’t think I’ve reloaded it more than 10 times total

@thebetus8803

Жыл бұрын

@@nomad-8260 devour + walking forward while holding on the trigger = a good time

@Jake-um4gg

Жыл бұрын

@@nomad-8260 im new and this is the gun i want the most

@nomad-8260

Жыл бұрын

@@Jake-um4gg Deep stone crypt is farmable this week so find a group willing to take you through it on lfg

I’m gonna be honest, getting that contest clear from this raid felt so good it was my first time finishing a raid on contest which was a lot of fun for me and also it was my first attempt at day one raiding, but seeing all these things about all the people that think that the raid was far too easy is really demoralizing and I’m not even proud anymore, not saying datto’s the same but there’s a lot of people that just straight up don’t think it should qualify for people who beat contest on day two it just sucks and I think it has kind of ruined day one raiding for me

@jdoggydogg

Жыл бұрын

Who cares what others think? Destiny has one of the most toxic communities in gaming. Be happy and proud that you did it and piss on these crybaby hardcores.

@zachhogan7865

Жыл бұрын

Be proud of yourself man. As long as you and your team enjoyed the experience that's all that matters. Don't get caught up in other people's egos.

@hokey9175

Жыл бұрын

I think it was too easy but that shouldn't disqualify a clear. Just because elitists think it's too easy, it doesn't mean it wasn't hard. Enjoy the experience because it's something special. Congrats on the clear!

@SwoleakhulTheBlind

Жыл бұрын

The raid was far too easy. Get over it 🤣 the whole thing has been three manned, flawlessed, 2 encounters duod, 1 encounter solo‘d and speedran in like 34min ON CONTEST.

thank you datto i really needed to hear this after the disappointment of the contest mode

ur in for a huge surprise datto

I hope that The Final Shape's raid is a Last Wish 2.0. I just feel like that would be such an epic way to end out the saga.

@starlightrains

Жыл бұрын

that will not happen. bungie needed activision and the studios that came with it to produce content on that level, that frequently

@weirdo7319

Жыл бұрын

With how much they have fumbled this expansion I am worried about The Final Shape

@Killomainia

Жыл бұрын

@@weirdo7319 Honestly I feel (and I hope) it might be the opposite. Because Lightfall was supposed to be aimed as the finale for the Light and Dark saga, hell even the title card was all doom and gloom and we got Neon Cyberpunk Marvel adventure out here. So the stuff they have created for Lightfall orginally has been pushed to The Final Shape, which may have been brewing in the oven for at least 2 years at this point giving them a little bit more time to prep it a year from now

@yosup7400

Жыл бұрын

@@Killomainia You can see development timelines for expansion in some GDC conferences bungie devs have attended. In general it seems like they have 2 expansion teams. Witch Queen started development shortly after Shadow Keep. Lightfall's development started right after Beyond Light. If the current iteration of Lightfall was cobbled together, it's likely that Final Shape will have been in development for quite a while.

@omensoffate

Жыл бұрын

It won’t be you people love huffing that copium

The reason I compare new raids to Last Wish is the mechanics and setpeices. The creativity of going into the boss to destroy it's heart, then having to run and parkour with the heart as your teammates get sucked into an arena. Just feels like raids haven't been as flowy/creative, or complex as Last Wish

@destinytvg6466

Жыл бұрын

That’s when Activision was still with Bungie

@marvinvogtde

Жыл бұрын

Well that happens when you have 3 studios working on one game, you can produce a lot more content and give the stuff you make more attention. That however will probably never happen again with Bungie

@GeoGyf

Жыл бұрын

Disagree. While Forsaken cant be really topped content-wsie since there 2 additional & smaller studios working together with Bungie, Last Wish raid is very similar to the Dreaming City especially aesthetically (very similar with how Root of Nightmares is aesthetically similar with Vow of the Disciple).

@odst554

Жыл бұрын

And yet when Last Wish came out people were still mad calling it "too hard" and "not easily accessible for new/ returning players" the TL DR of the is that the Destiny community is never happy with what Bungie make.

@Sfcfan120

Жыл бұрын

@@odst554 yep. Also the reason last wish took so long was because riven and especially vault are just badly designed encounters. The fact that people were just brute forcing vault instead of actually doing the mechanics is proof of that. Last wish is a good raid but its extremely overrated

The vocal tone change at 27:17 is everything I live for in these videos. My man literally couldn't hold it in any longer 🤣

GOOD SHIT DATTO. WE NEEDED THIS VID

Always love to see how legend lost sectors are harder than day 1 raids. Hopefully bungie will see how power crept we are. Great video

Datto when you said that it felt like you couldn’t do anything to help and you only took a lead on the third encounter I felt that on a spiritual level that was exactly what I went through. Spirit animal! 😂

19:24 well they did it and it was so fucking good, one team in 24hrs and most clears were only due to double goldy, probably 0 clears otherwise

Great video which sums up everything disappointing about the contest days. A couple of my clanmates were doing legend nightfalls for pinnacle gear and when we were mowing down enemies in the raid it struck us that it was so so so so so much easier than the nightfall. Damage was only a problem on Nezarac because he moved around a lot and we would miss rockets. This whole raid was 1-3 people doing mechanics and everyone else on ad clear. I was part of 2 other day 1's before this and first was vow, insanely difficult to stay alive and the damage checks during it were brutal, we didnt get the clear even though we reached Rhulk. My second was kings fall which took us 15 hours with already having an idea what mechanics were like and that was without the challenge version but we got a clear. This was the raid we prepped for expecting an insane difficulty like those 2 and we did it in 10 hours which im proud of myself and team for getting day 1 done but still didn't feel the same joy as we did when we beat caretaker in vow. Hopefully the next reprised raid and the raids coming in the last expansion really pick up the difficulty because day 1 is supposed to be for the best of the best and not the dad that has 12 kids and 5 wives to take care of. To me, I couldn't care less about the 48 hour raids, I think its a good thing to get more people doing them, but with the raid being so easy it takes away some of the credibility of the emblem my team got.

I'm genuinely so happy at least one content creator had the balls to say what every endgame player was thinking

@dusk2308

Жыл бұрын

yea datto is pretty based

@mun123keet

Жыл бұрын

I mean, Saltagreppo is also vocal about endgame not being hard enough but he gets shit on constantly. Datto on the other hand, has people who would use his opinion as facts.

@BiggaMyMan

Жыл бұрын

@@mun123keet There's a good image out there that represents exactly what you're talking about, lol.