There have been so many interviews with Douglas Murray but only you’ve been able to flesh out Murray’s fascinating views on art. Amazing conversation. Your voice is so valuable and unique Clifton so thank you for putting yourself out there in spite of the fact that your views hurt you in your line of work. 🙏

Clifton, you have a great podcast / YT channel. It's no small feat flexing wits with present-day luminaries like Doug Murray, Heather Mac Donald and Victor Davis Hanson. Bravo! And thank you for sharing your voice-along with your dedication to meaningful conversation, reason, wisdom and gratitude. …I will continue to recommend your work to other inquiring minds going forward. Best wishes!

@elingrome5853

2 жыл бұрын

@@devilprooftiger Ok Confucius

It's really annoying I can only click the 'like' button once! Douglas always does the circuit when promoting a new book, so his interviews tend to rehash a lot of the same areas, which isn't necessarily a bad thing as he's awesome, but this interview covered so much more, and also showed a new side to Douglas' persona. The upbeat positive side. Well done Mr Duncan, you've done us proud!

I love this podcast ! Every actor needs to listen to Clifton Duncan. He’s brilliant

This was so inspiring. Clifton and Douglas. I have hope for my screenplays again. Thank you so much.

Hard to find two people with more mellifluous voices! This was a marvelous conversation

Sophocles is my favorite playwright. I am more influence by these old dead guys then any writer alive. I need to find a way to start producing my work. Artist like us need to break through and create a new theatre industry. This has such an inspirational conversation. Douglas Murray is always a great voice to hear.

@theoldmanthymemediacompany

2 жыл бұрын

I laughed out loud about the non-binary Othello.

I absolutely love the space you’re exploring and inhabiting in your podcast. I’m bored with the constant, but understandable, complaints about “politics” in the arts. You have enlightened me to the work, art, and craft of a laborer in the performing arts. By doing so, you also shine a light on where and how the encroachment of current culture cheapens the arts and leaves those of us who look to it for enrichment feeling unfulfilled. You, sir, are far from “non-essential.”

Why does this channel have so few subscribers? Clifton is amazing.

Really enjoyed this hearing Douglas Murray talk about things he doesnt usually talk about

Such a great interview. You’ve asked so many things of Douglas that is never heard on other interviews. Loved the deep-dive on the current state of arts and theatre.

I hope you two can do this again in 6mo. or so, Duncan. What a absolute treat! I could listen to you and Douglas talk about the arts for hours. Best podcast yet.

I love listening to Douglas Murray, but you could tell he really enjoyed this particular interview. Clifton really let him explore different avenues of thought. Wonderful stuff. The final quotation read by Douglas was so moving yet strangely uplifting.

"Desdemona would punch THEM in the face!" Bloody Brilliant! PS: That was nothing less than a Joy. Thank you gentlemen both!

Great interview! I've listened to many interviews with Douglas Murray, and I have also read his Strange Death of Europe, Madness of Crowds and The War on the West. This is the first time I see that a podcast conversation can be so playful and so much fun - fine sense of humor, captivating exchange of ideas. Thank you very much for this very enjoyable conversation!

Great conversation, some very important points made here. Love and appreciate the idea that no one has "a lane" they must stick to, open hearts and minds are sadly a rarity in 2022. Thank you Douglas and Clifton for this podcast episode.

Saw you on Andrew Klavan so came to have a look. Love Douglas Murray. I am now a subscriber from Australia

Can't believe this didn't come up in my notifications. I'm not gay but I got a big man crush on Murray. I could listen to him read the phone book.

Great interview Clifton. I never get tired of listening to Douglas Murray. He is so incredibly articulate. It's a pleasure listening to such a master of the English language.

I stumbled on to the channel to listen to the Critical Drinker, my favourite movie critic and found Douglas Murray, my favourite modern political commentator. Clifton, you have excellent taste and a new sub.

I'm in my mid 20s and living in the heart of San Francisco; conversations like this make me feel much less alone. Thanks for sharing your voice and soul, Clifton. Would love to see you speak with Kmele Foster or Melissa Chen at some point. All the best.

@elingrome5853

2 жыл бұрын

If ur listening to this in your 20s, I think youll be fine ;)

I could have listened to the pair of you for another hour easily. I have so much in common with you guys, both. This was balm to the senses. Thank you for sharing, and looking forward to many more.

Thanks for the content Clifton. I recently found your channel after watching your discussion with the Critical Drinker. On another note, one thing I think is interesting is that for all the discussions on economics and politics, Thomas Sowell would rather spend the last of his days shooting photographs. Obviously he’s practically minded, but even he feels some compulsion towards the visual arts. At least that’s the impression I gained from Jason Riley’s documentary on Thomas Sowell.

Douglas Murray and a good conversation. 👍 Well done, sir. And thank you.

I discovered your channel because of the nerd videos. And I find that you have a video with Douglas Murray, who is one of the best minds of this century on the "Right Wing".

This was a treat. You two took me on an emotional rollercoaster in this conversation. One thing I wanted to mention is that I've found it's actually surprisingly comfortable in most of the "right wing" spaces for people like us who may hold several liberal views and who may tick several identity boxes, when the new definition of "right wing" includes everyone who isn't in lockstep with the new dogma. Also interesting to me is that when the established institutions, be it in the arts, entertainment, academia, news media, major corporations of many stripes, etc. are all presenting a united ossified front, the counter-culture may be painted as all sorts of evils, but is actually incredibly accepting and creative and subversive and just plain fun, and people are already working on alternatives in various cultural niches, and so I believe there's reason for hope.

Just watched this again for the 3rd time. Such a great conversation, thank you!

@CliftonADuncan

10 ай бұрын

Thank YOU, Dominic!

Very good podcast. Two men of reason and heart!!

I support everything you have done and what you stand for.

I am just about to start reading Douglas Murrays new book after I finish up on Madness of Crowds. Truly excited to see this conversation

Clifton, you are a very articulate, intelligent and thoughtful interviewer. You have a new subscriber. Thank you for your work.

Thank you both for this fantastic conversation. Welcome back, & what a great way to return. 🎹 I'm looking forward to reading War on the West especially hearing you discuss cultural appropriation. I am a classically trained pianist of N European ancestry who fell in love with the music of Turkey, the Balkans, the Middle East, India, & dove into inte deep study. My friends from these cultures love that I do this, & having a venue full of Turks singing along fills my heart with joy. In the current climate, the wokeratti would have me silenced. Well, fuck 'em.

A superb conversation Clinton, thank you so much for this. I had no hesitation in subscribing to your channel and look forward to future uploads and am keen to delve into your previous contributions.

Prior to the Romantic period when art began to separate from religion in the west, it was done by Christians. That shaped the culture of art. Mozart, Vivaldi, Michelangelo etc. for example. So the “left” hasn’t always been the artists until recently. I think that’s worth mentioning. I think that’s why you see such a cultural change in art. It’s been a long shift.

@adrazuel

2 жыл бұрын

I suppose because in the past the artists wanted to express their learning and culture, now the art is deconstructive with no interest in either.

@Lexster918

2 жыл бұрын

@@adrazuel the left is all about deconstruction. They even say “deconstructing” a lot when describing culture. The left has no art or culture, they only imitate what has already been created and then distort it. Unfortunately, they now have control over it all.

You weren't the only one that teared up at that reading of the Stoppard play. Lovely interview.

More of this please. This kind of conversation is something many are desperate for. Can I persuade you to make this a regular discussion? We’re gonna need this stuff.

Big, big, big thanks and respect from Croatia!!!! Love it!

This was great. Having the amazing DM speak on culture, specifically art, is something you can't get anywhere else. You both killed it.

I can not tell you how much your podcast means to me. My great love is the arts and I built a life around them with others that felt the same. Now because of political differences I am socially and culturally isolated. These conversations feed me like little else dose. Thanks.

Wow... great guest and great show! Murray is #1 on my List of Lists, so thank you for giving him yet another chance to share his thoughts on your podcast. (On a side note... welcome back, Clifton! You've been missed.)

2 of the greatest voices on the Internet, fantastic Douglas for FNT 👍😁

Wow. You guys covered so much ground on this that I'm halfway thru a second listen!🔊👂

Way too cool and smooth for my breed. I learned the use of the word erstwhile during this episode. I can now truly understand the meaning of the word. Left out, prior, once used to be. I also feel erstwhile. What a great conversation. Gentlemen.

One of the best podcasts I've heard in a while. Subscribed!

"TO A POET A THOUSAND YEARS HENCE"By James Elroy Flecker (1884-1915) I who am dead a thousand years, And wrote this sweet archaic song, Send you my words for messengers The way I shall not pass along. I care not if you bridge the seas, Or ride secure the cruel sky, Or build consummate palaces Of metal or of masonry. But have you wine and music still, And statues and a bright-eyed love, And foolish thoughts of good and ill, And prayers to them who sit above? How shall we conquer? Like a wind That falls at eve our fancies blow, And old Maeonides the blind Said it three thousand years ago. O friend unseen, unborn, unknown, Student of our sweet English tongue, Read out my words at night, alone: I was a poet, I was young. Since I can never see your face, And never shake you by the hand, I send my soul through time and space To greet you. You will understand. Archaic Torso of Apollo Rainer Maria Rilke - 1875-1926 We cannot know his legendary head with eyes like ripening fruit. And yet his torso is still suffused with brilliance from inside, like a lamp, in which his gaze, now turned to low, gleams in all its power. Otherwise the curved breast could not dazzle you so, nor could a smile run through the placid hips and thighs to that dark center where procreation flared. Otherwise this stone would seem defaced beneath the translucent cascade of the shoulders and would not glisten like a wild beast's fur: would not, from all the borders of itself, burst like a star: for here there is no place that does not see you. You must change your life.

I'm so glad you're back, Clifton. I hope everything is hunky dory. I missed you, bro. This episode was one of your best. A triumphant return. Such an awesome guest. What a coup. ❤🧠🙏

I loved this podcast! If I may I would like to add what Tarkovsky said about the purpose of art. (And this is paraphrased ) "The purpose of art is not to just propagate ideas, or to stimulate conversations. The purpose of art is to prepare on for death. To plough and harrow ones soul so that in might be rendered to something good."

Really enjoyed Douglas Murray expressing his artistic impassioned side which was evinced by Clifton 's sympatico interviewing. Murrays understanding of the intangible transcendency that art can imbue in one was spot on.

Enjoying this commentary. Thumbs up & subscribed!

@williampearson6299

2 жыл бұрын

@@CliftonADuncan Western Art? Don't the British still have African art they stole in their museums? Maybe this is a reckoning.

Love this podcast. As an artist and musician who is currently transitioning into an author and philosopher, it's like the perfect bridge for me to hear Douglas Murray talking to an Actor such as yourself. Love it! Subscribed!

oh my! can’t wait to hear this!

This conversation is just brilliant.

Just discovered your channel through this interview and am looking forward to hearing more. You're a natural conversationalist, and you brought out a great conversation here which touches on differences between left and right, for example, but without polemics, but also how art affects us, which is a great topic, with very cultured observations from you both. Thanks for this, it's much appreciated!

Great chat - thank's to KZread algorithms for throwing it my way :)

Revisiting this , ..20 minutes in ..on creativity , and the timeless nature of created beauty through art ..I was thinking , that the more complex and "advanced" our tools become , the more disposable , hollow and temporary the things we appear to make.

Really great conversation!!!

Fantastic talk!❤

Lovely channel! Glad I found you. Greeting from Romania

People used to go to the theatre to have their assumptions and biases challenged. Now they go to have them confirmed.

Art without religion is like child missing Madonna.. Writers that helped me reconcile them were Otto Rank: (Art and Artist) Henry Miller: (Tropic of Capricorn) Carl Jung: (Man and his Symbols) Henri Bergson: (Creative Evolution) Miguel Unamuno: (The Tragic Sense of Life) Walt Whitman: (Leaves of Grass) Samuel Beckett: The Unamable...just to name a few.

As someone who has always mourned the tragedy of the Burning of Alexandria's Great Library, and Who rages to see a Second Dark Age on the horizon, I wish I could say to Mr. Murray "Thanks, I needed that" because No we shall not want for a corkscrew, and what really gets to me is only that on this March my Will to do everything I possibly can do is indomitable yet still limited

Great show! Greetings from Germany.

Excellent interview.

Oh wow👏👏🙏🏻Thank you for taking time from your busy lives.Amazing,understandable & relevant. Brilliant men walk this planet & I am listening to two of them🙏🏻👏👏👏👏👏😘

Great conversation.

Good people having a great conversation

Good guest Clifton! 👍

Brilliant and lovely conversation.

Great conversation! On Murray's point about writer's being 'on all the time', and then being like a 'powder-keg' in a family a couple of things came to mind. Philip Roth said a writer in the family was 'the death of that family.' And Graham Greene remembers as a child in hospital keeping track of the scene when a boy in another bed, who had broken his leg playing football, dies suddenly and the family arrives to see him - “There is a splinter of ice in the heart of a writer. I watched and listened. There was something which one day I might need."

That was a great conversation. I found it somewhat endearing that he seemed to genuinly get a kick out of it when you would subtly poke a bit of fun at him here and there. I'm sure he doesn't get very much of that at all on the interview circuit, so it was likely refreshing. To your credit though, your digs were well timed, and delivered with class; something else I'm sure he appreciated. Well done..

Thank you both. I agree wholeheatedly with your assessment of theater writing and “offerings” today.

Great podcast so far! Douglas is the man 😎

A wonderful talk. Enjoyed it very much (and of course bought the books of Douglas)

New subscriber here. Wonderful show! Keep up the great work! I'm currently reading Mr. Murray's "The War On The West" and thoroughly enjoying it thus far. I read "Madness of Crowds" before this one and love the format he puts his books in. Cheers! 💯

"It's quite easy to escape from an assassin in a wheelchair... just walk up a hill." 🤣 I'm currently in rehearsals for Antigone. I'm playing Teiresias, the blind prophet. I was directed: "do not play the disability." And the issue wasn't that I was playing a cliché of a walking stick and a beggars cup. Being sighted, playing a blind man, was in itself the 'problematic' situation. Wow. I guess Pacino wouldn't get the Oscar now, but would be labeled, ableist? The new Star Trek cast a blind human to play a blind alien. Does it really matter to the audience? Can they tell the difference?

Epic showdown between two of the best 'speaking voices' on the internet.

I know I’m late but absolutely loved this

Great interview

Up vote and new subscriber. Temperament, olive oil voice, content, guest's, etc. Your channel, I believe, will be the next great channel. Keep up the great work. jp

First time watching your podcast. Great stuff! Keep it up!

This episode brought out another side to Douglas

Great show, as usual Clifton!

I love your content, and thank you for introducing me to Jobii.

As a great philosopher once said… “If you want to send a message, use Western Union.” Sam Goldwyn

In order for art to be able to happen, you need a stable and protected space where there is food and time to enable the population to create, perform and enjoy art. Therfore, economics and a "safe society" have to come first. "Conservatism" is a step towards creating the space for art.

@williampearson6299

2 жыл бұрын

@@CliftonADuncan You want balance. Repatriate first. Then all this will go away.

I remember a film from Uganda and it’s called “Who killed Captain Alex” it’s a trip of a movie but it’s more genuine than anything I have seen from Hollywood. It’s made by a bunch of guys in a ghetto who have lived tragic lives and it shows what film used to be.

Clifton is the only person having intelligent conversation on KZread.

Good catch Duncan… Douglas talks I listen, I wasn’t expecting this…? Will we see Douglas on FNT I wonder 😂

I always wanted to know why we have to choose to be left or right when the most successful people just take what they want .

Great!

Douglas for king of the world

Commenting for the algorithm.

@jaewok5G

2 жыл бұрын

_ENGAGEMENT!!_

Please stream on Rumble

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"Arcadia" by Tom Stoppard THOMASINA: ....the enemy who burned the great library of Alexandria without so much as a fine for all that is overdue. Oh, Septimus! -- can you bear it? All the lost plays of the Athenians! Two hundred at least by Aeschylus, Sophocles, Euripides -- thousands of poems -- Aristotle's own library!....How can we sleep for grief? SEPTIMUS: By counting our stock. Seven plays from Aeschylus, seven from Sophocles, nineteen from Euripides, my lady! You should no more grieve for the rest than for a buckle lost from your first shoe, or for your lesson book which will be lost when you are old. We shed as we pick up, like travellers who must carry everything in their arms, and what we let fall will be picked up by those behind. The procession is very long and life is very short. We die on the march. But there is nothing outside the march so nothing can be lost to it. The missing plays of Sophocles will turn up piece by piece, or be written again in another language. Ancient cures for diseases will reveal themselves once more. Mathematical discoveries glimpsed and lost to view will have their time again. You do not suppose, my lady, that if all of Archimedes had been hiding in the great library of Alexandria, we would be at a loss for a corkscrew?

Hi Clifton, here's a book you may be interested in reading in regard to the brief mention of 'presence' in this very engaging interview: Stage Presence: The Actor As Mesmerist, Jane Goodall (2008). May have some insights that could be productive.

What your talking about at 1:07 is called the attention economy. Alexander Bard wrote a book on this topic The Netocrats over 20 years ago now.

One of the challenges today when attempting to raise any of the various issues of 'wokeism' (I know that's a lazy catch-all term but you know what I mean) with some people is they just deny it exists or they demand such a thoroughly exhaustive and well referenced manifest of its explicit meaning thus ending any effective momentum towards a meaningful dialogue. I tend now to just express my opinion more succinctly by simply diving straight into WHY I think something's rubbish or lacking any credence or evidence. I'm really tired of treading carefully. Conversations like this between Messrs Duncan and Murray are both refreshing, enlightening and replete with intellectual ordnance to facilitate the security of my own position in future discussions.

Thirst trap! Lol. My thoughts exactly. Xox

Holy fuck, that is so on point, i come at this from the angle of an enthusiast for mysticism, and spirituality beyond any limiting dogma. And I can confirm, what separates the IRL Kwisatz Haderach from everyone else. Is that where they Fear to look, particularly at unpretty, unpleasant, or downright Ugly Reality, we Shortenings of the Way, dare I say we Relish wading in with open eyes into all that we can stomach of what those lesser basura who ruin all our nice things cannot the Bleating Tramplers. In seeing where others don't, we cut through the crap, but then when you try to share wkth with the Bleating Tramplers what valuable insights they could use, even need, their MetaNarrative Overlays Projected from within their eyes Onto what they manage to perceive of the Shadows cast by the Kthulu monster that is Ugly Reality outside the proverbial Cave in the Desert of the Real kick in, and they see the Kwisatz Haderach as a Creature of the Kthulu at which they like clockwork will Stampede and Trample. Galileo and Copernicus were Kwisatz Haderach of their respective Days, to give example. Knowledge may be horror. But Ignorance is Bliss only To Fools for what one is Ignorant of can still Fuck one over, if not be one's Ending. I'd rather all the horror of knowledge a thousand times, and then a thousand times again now that I have seen the Whole Kthulu which I tell you in full honesty left me Awestruck, knocked right on my proverbial ass, because for all my doing away with the MetaNarrative Overlays of the Herd, i still had vestiges clouding my vision. These lyrics never were more apt "I cant speak it, or else you will dig my grave"