hey, for some reason KZread has decided to pick this up in the algorithm (very cool of them). if you're new don't worry this isn't the last video on the channel I'm working on stuff now. subscribe to know when it's out and thanks for watching.

@cloversgood_luck9290

3 жыл бұрын

You Deserve the Subs and Likes dude! Keep up the amazing job!

@Cuptamus_Prime

2 жыл бұрын

Nu i dont want to

@cloversgood_luck9290

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cuptamus_Prime Bruh

@etabiansosin

2 жыл бұрын

You forgot to mention Lockdown at the beginning of your video.

@FlipsScripts

2 жыл бұрын

on purpose : D

“It’s only a war crime if you lose”

@primetimethetffan541

3 жыл бұрын

Heck ya

@michaelwittmann5754

2 жыл бұрын

MURICA

@grumpydixie1645

2 жыл бұрын

Vietnam war

@Ghost-bk1mo

2 жыл бұрын

Afghanistan war😂

@ses884

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah you are right. It does notmatter if the USA also had its concentration camps, it does not matter how they murdered millions of Japanese, nah ... if you win the war it is better to parody it in movies and believe that Russia did absolutely nothing. Or even better, murdered thousands of tribes in the past and say “they where not my ancestors, so I belong to the elite class”, up the American patriotism

The idea of a massive truck robot sitting in a human court of law is beyond hilarious

@FlipsScripts

2 жыл бұрын

i agree fully

@megs8654

2 жыл бұрын

jokes on u buddy, it was comfortable.

@trentonmoss5828

2 жыл бұрын

@@FlipsScripts in transformers prime Optimus told ratchet not to take out the minor because if he did he would have disgraced the only thing between Autobots and the decepticons

@jetastronomia8400

2 жыл бұрын

@@trentonmoss5828 damn rachet was about to take out a minor?

@toniotrussardi8126

2 жыл бұрын

@@jetastronomia8400 yeah bc the minor was a decepticon and ratchet was on cyber-roids

Given how often the earth's governments break their own laws, I'm giving Optimus a pass.

@derkurier2710

Жыл бұрын

Considering that the USA threatened to imprison Jurges that would try to bring US War Crimes to light yeh me too

@jackofalltradeshermes

Жыл бұрын

This implies you're okay with our governments committing war crimes because other countries do it

@brycedunn4113

Жыл бұрын

Lol

@WhiteBoyTariq

Жыл бұрын

Literally not how it works

@tobi8455

Жыл бұрын

@@WhiteBoyTariqokay white boy tariq

Optimus isn't committing war crimes, he's just extremely sigma.

@OrchestratedChicanery

Жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@pucci2331

Жыл бұрын

Even being sigma will not prevent you from crimes and yes he is sigma but he still committed war crimes

@LORD_KILLERGHOST

Жыл бұрын

No, he's an Hypocrite.

@drakechapel7285

Жыл бұрын

He is sigma

@Mastercheeks17

Жыл бұрын

He was a sigma

Optimus: Freedom is the right of all sentient beings Also Optimus: *If the eyes are red it’s about to be dead*

@da-vidcargill4975

2 жыл бұрын

Decepticons surrendered that right long time ago

@revolution_is_the_key

2 жыл бұрын

Optimus politically racist and based prime ????😯😯😱😂😲

@megs8654

2 жыл бұрын

@@revolution_is_the_key why so surprised ? arent ur leaders same here on earth ?

@revolution_is_the_key

2 жыл бұрын

@@megs8654 good point but most of the time they dont have epic music in the backgoround while commiting war crimes

@megs8654

2 жыл бұрын

@@revolution_is_the_key welp, they also dont have they own movie after all.

Optimus Prime treats the Geneva Convention as a checklist

@notagen_exe4519

3 жыл бұрын

its like a bucket list before going to jail

@sampletexttablet8558

2 жыл бұрын

Everyone treats the Geneva Convention as a checklist

@mfirdanhb

2 жыл бұрын

*bay Optimus

@TheWererapter92

2 жыл бұрын

U dont think the Geneva convention should even apply to robotic fictional aliens.

@Ghost_mx5

2 жыл бұрын

Bayverse Prime did not fuck around lmao

In Age of Extinction during the desert gathering scene, Optimus explicitly states that after the humans betrayal after the Battle of Chicago, that he was done playing by human rules, which means he was even more aware of what he was doing

@djtrac3r935

Жыл бұрын

I mean, the US Government was knowingly committing war crimes against the Autobots. They were having a Decepticon exterminate fleeing Autobots, and exterminating them without remorse whatsoever. The government killed Ratchet, who was both disarmed, fleeing, and was a medic. Optimus was severely wounded in AOE and the CIA even held 3 civilians hostage because they were trying to aid optimus, a wounded soldier. What the US Government was doing in Age Of Extinction is very well reminiscent to what the Nazi's would do in WW2 when hunting down hiding Jewish people, except in this case, it was a race of alien robots. So really, if we boil it down, the US government was worse than the Autobots in Age of Extinction in terms of committing war crimes, because at least with the Autobots, it was retaliation against a group of people trying to cleanse them.

@SnakeEater776

Жыл бұрын

Seriously took "I'm about to commit a warcrime" to a whole new level.

@ZX-Gear

9 ай бұрын

To be fair,Optimus just saw humans continue the genocide of his own people.

@mikumikuareka

Ай бұрын

@@SnakeEater776 when his brothers are getting hunted down? Yeah, I would like to see how much you care about any conventions while being at his place

@SnakeEater776

Ай бұрын

@@mikumikuareka that... wasnt a serious comment though, i was joking

Something you don’t mention though is that the Geneva Conventions only applies when one of the nations at war have signed the treaty. Neither the Autobots nor Decepticons are signatories in this universe, and so they do not apply. Yes the Alien Autobot Cooperation Act was signed, but it doesn’t mean the Autobots are subject to US Law, it simply means there is an agreement on the US books to work with them. Additionally, as mentioned elsewhere, Megatron may have been injured, but he was moving in with the intent to kill. Pretty sure Geneva Conventions don’t protect wounded soldiers still engaged in hostilities. Same goes with shipwrecked combatants. On the shipwrecked part, the Deceptions were not “shipwrecked”. Earth was their target destination, following after their leader. This is different from Sentinel, who’s final destination was probably not Earth’s moon. Additionally, if we’re saying the Autobots are subject to US codes of law, Sentinel Prime falls under the definition of “traitor”. Being part of what is essentially the armed forces of the Autobots, is subject to summary execution (among other punishments). The Geneva Convention only covers enemy combatants, where no other uniform laws apply, but this was an internal issue to what you may call the Autobot Nation/Military. The scientists experiments on fallen Cybertronians, yeah, they’re the ones committing war crimes first by despoiling the corpses of the dead. Given they’re involving themselves in the conflict this way, even though they are civilians, this makes them a valid target for retaliation. This was a good video, but it only went just below the surface of the Geneva Conventions and other international agreements regarding warfare.

@Talon_Productions

Жыл бұрын

I wish this comment would get more love, because you touch on pretty much everything that I have an issue with in this video.

@micahmcfarland7579

Жыл бұрын

Well said! I especially agree with the guilt of Sentinel on charges of high treason, AND the experimentation on corpses by KSI

@R.Productions616

Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU !!! I get what people mean when bringing up real world war crimes Bayverse Prime would've broke but I'm like, this is an alien robot that's been in a millennia long war that doesn't want Earth to end up like Cybertron. So to place the Geneva Conventions on him is just silly in the grand scheme of an incarnation of Transformers aiming for the more brutal side of the franchise

@gamerstheater1187

Жыл бұрын

plus it is perfectly allowed for soldiers to kill war criminals on spot

@itstime6974

Жыл бұрын

Needs more likes.

That title rolls off the tongue so well

@PredatorX-pl2pq

3 жыл бұрын

You should have been the director of the bayverse movies instead of Michael Bay

@Bendo-Studio

3 жыл бұрын

It does roll of the tongue well

@TraFClub

3 жыл бұрын

@@PredatorX-pl2pq well, next director is Steven caple Jr...

@markykrajky13

2 жыл бұрын

Love your video Trans Theories

@LegendzPlushStudios

2 жыл бұрын

@@PredatorX-pl2pq Nah

"Geneva Convention? You mean 'Geneva Suggestions', right?"

@FlipsScripts

3 жыл бұрын

optimus clearly thinks so.

@gascogne3622

3 жыл бұрын

can you explain this joke? sorry i dont get it xd

@err_4044

3 жыл бұрын

@@gascogne3622 no one actually follows them.

@Darth-vade123

3 жыл бұрын

@@FlipsScripts he obviously isn't g1 or any other cause unlike them bayverse doesn't have a moral code and will kill just to kill and rip a face in half

@FlipsScripts

3 жыл бұрын

@@Darth-vade123 yeah thats ykno, the point of the video ...

Wounded or not, Megatron was still raising the gun with the intent to hurt/kill Optimus, so he was totally in the right for giving him the Thanos treatment. It's not a war crime, it was poetic justice.

@jackofalltradeshermes

Жыл бұрын

Megatron only raised his gun to defend himself after Optimus attacked him

@Yuhyeauhuhsurebuddy1

Жыл бұрын

@Jack of All Trades, Hermes rewatch the scene and you obviously see Megatron tried to shoot first

@noelreyyy

Жыл бұрын

@@jackofalltradeshermesmegatron had literally just bodied sentinel he was in no way or form weak nor did he surrender to optimus

@Yorkshiremthlab

Жыл бұрын

@@noelreyyyliterally

@jackofalltradeshermes

Жыл бұрын

@@Yuhyeauhuhsurebuddy1 you are the one who needs to watch again. May I suggest you watch it on 0.25x speed?

5:50 except this rule is muted the moment Megatron raised his weapon towards Optimus. If he was so wounded he couldn't fight anymore then he shouldn't even be able or willing to raise his gun. This applies to human battlefields aswell. If the wounded are on the ground, fine, you aren't allowed to kill them, but if a man with one arm is still aiming his gun at you, you have every right to blow his brains out.

@HenryLouis21

2 жыл бұрын

Didn't Optimus lunge at Optimus with an ax? I'm pretty sure that from Megs standpoint, he raised his weapon in self-defense.

@Bloodark124

2 жыл бұрын

@@HenryLouis21 He literally just attacked someone else (Sentinel) like less than 10 seconds ago. If an injured house thief attacked a policeman in front of you, are you just going to be like "welp, he's injured so guess according to the Geneva invention I can't kill him now" even though he's still in your house demanding a questionable "truce"? Megatron (the thief) has shown himself not-trust worthy in the past. Yet you will completely trust your enemy just because he's "injured" in the moment? Not to mention the guy still got a weapon in his hand waving about as he's talking, while you yourself are also injured and have no weapon of your own.

@HenryLouis21

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bloodark124 Yeah, and then later after Megatron shot Sentinel and saved Optimus' life, Megatron offered Optimus a truce. Literally, every other Optimus Prime from any other series would maybe take Megatron's truce into consideration despite Megatron having a gun in his hand. The novelization of this movie and the comic adaptation (which was based on the script for this movie) literally have Optimus take the truce into consideration and accepts it. Also, Megatron has never shown himself to be someone to be completely untrustworthy which would guarantee Optimus coming to the conclusion that Megatron is beyond redemption and needs to be killed. Also, are you really using a house thief as an example to justify why Optimus lunging at Megatron with a fucking ax and ripping his head off is okay?

@UncleAsmos2005

Жыл бұрын

​@@Bloodark124 I have to say, this point is entirely null and void because Megatron literally saved Optimus' life. This is like getting shot in an alleyway by a police officer, then getting saved by a mentally unstable crack head with a shotgun that brutally injures the police officer, and he just tells you "There's no problem, is there?" By all intents and purposes, the crackhead saved your ass, like it or not. Then you lunge at him with a rusty pipe, What do you expect him to do? Let you do that? Of course fucking not, he's gonna try to defend himself after the guy he saved not a second ago is trying to beat him to death with a pipe.

@Bloodark124

Жыл бұрын

@@HenryLouis21 Why would he be trustworthy, if he has throughout the entire franchise that he is willing to kill and murder living beings just for his desires? lol. You'd be very foolish, just because someone saved you once and pretend everybody all happy now. No. One action doesn't speak for the entire character. You observe overtime what they do to have the insight of their character. Megatron ultimately never really care about anyone else but himself. At the end of his reasonings, it always lead back to about him and him alone. Nothing can argue against that.

*GIVE ME YOUR FACE* -Optimus Prime

@Labyethan

3 жыл бұрын

"I rise you fall." Optimus "your heart is mine, prepare to die" Prime

@bluelanternguardianangel8038

2 жыл бұрын

"I'LL KILL YOU!!!!" -Optimus prime lol

@LegendzPlushStudios

2 жыл бұрын

So?

@Matli1804

2 жыл бұрын

More like Optimus war crime

@LegendzPlushStudios

2 жыл бұрын

@@Matli1804 nah

I feel like the first law that Optimus broke doesn't really count. Even though Megatron was injured Optimus had his entire arm torn off, which would classify Optimus as injured as well.

@arvi4766

3 жыл бұрын

sentinel was the one who torn optimus's arm of right

@dannydesanic7139

3 жыл бұрын

@@arvi4766 indeed, which moves on to my next point. Optimus killing Sentinel is completely justifiable.

@MrHAH-cd9ku

3 жыл бұрын

@@dannydesanic7139 Sentinel was injured, incapable of fighting, and basically surrendering. The traitor deserved his demise, but Optimus still violated the Geneva convention.

@dannydesanic7139

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrHAH-cd9ku so we're not gonna talk about the fact that Sentinel chopped Optimus' arm off and Optimus begged him to stop? And the fact that Sentinel was going for the death blow until Megatron stopped him?

@MrHAH-cd9ku

3 жыл бұрын

@@dannydesanic7139 Noted. 0 | 1

Funny thing, the Transformers actually do have their own equivalent to the Geneva Convention in the IDW Comics called the Tyrest Accord. And by those standards, Bayverse Optimus is a war criminal.

@concept5631

Жыл бұрын

Link to info on the Tyrest Accord?

@dreadhunteryt9464

Жыл бұрын

I mean I think everyone in idw has committed war crimes at that point

@GalvyTheTom

7 ай бұрын

Those standards are in a very different universe to the Bay movies, so they shouldn’t count for the purposes of judging Bayverse Optimus

Transformers: “We saved the City” The City: *Is destroyed*

Genevacon must be stopped. No matter the cost.

@arvi4766

3 жыл бұрын

*You got the touch*

@arvi4766

3 жыл бұрын

*You got the poweeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr*

@arvi4766

2 жыл бұрын

69th like noice

@derikkudesu6294

2 жыл бұрын

@@arvi4766 lmao I actually imagine that music playing as optimus brutally murder a buncha decepticons

@arvi4766

2 жыл бұрын

@@derikkudesu6294 ikr but holy goodness its brutal

"We've been fighting each other for thousands of years safely and happily, and now a random mortal has come to put his war crimes laws on us, I don't even know what war crimes supposed to mean optimus! ". -Megatrons

@vegitoson4218

2 жыл бұрын

What show or movie?

@Commander_Shepard.

2 жыл бұрын

Optimus: heh, me neither. lol

@i_inject_mercury1930

2 жыл бұрын

How long do they live?

@aggresstable_cos4039

2 жыл бұрын

@@i_inject_mercury1930 Not sure how long *exactly* but Google claims that Optimus Prime is something like 9 million years old so... A long time

@SantiagoHernandez-kf9gd

2 жыл бұрын

@@aggresstable_cos4039 they are immortal if they have energon and maintenance and avoid cosmic plague and other stuff and guns be important about guns

As Garak would say: "Humans have rules in war. Rules that make victory a little harder to achieve, in my opinion."

@BoozyBeggar

5 ай бұрын

based sigma Elim Garak

Actually, it's ok to kill someone if they committed war crimes themselves, so Optimus is perfectly fine

Yeah warcrime prime fits Sentinel prime since he killed ironhide, lied to the world saying they will get peace if they ban the autobots but gives the decepticons a chance to kill the autobots, and participate in the slaughter of thousands of lives in Chicago

@dreadhunteryt9464

3 жыл бұрын

Not to mention in rotf when the fallen gives his message and tells them everyone they’ll be fine if the turn over Sam only to get the info for the matrix and the star harvester

@LightningZetton

3 жыл бұрын

@@dreadhunteryt9464 yes and people still call optimus the war criminal because of his fighting style.... Wow shows how dumb they are and the fallen is also another prime aka megatronus prime so he's a war criminal as well

@justingerken6894

3 жыл бұрын

@@LightningZetton just because they are of course also war criminals, does not make optimus less a war criminal. He should strive to be better than them and not just executing someone unarmed or incapacitated. At least, thats what i think.

@LightningZetton

3 жыл бұрын

@@justingerken6894 you're a idiot to think the way you kill makes you a war criminal. Prime tries desperately to save innocent lives from monsters like decepticons who are always armed with weapons and seen on screen kill innocent people. If you're gonna say he says rude things and I'll kill you and that literal one line he only says to the fallen, first of all shut up with that. He's still saving lives from monsters like the fallen and he is a disgrace to the original primes he hides his own face. Innocent lives are the ones he believes have freedom and not those who has sinister thoughts and harms

@justingerken6894

3 жыл бұрын

@@LightningZetton a lot of his kills are justified, but i dont think there is a good side and an evil one. He just executed demolishor in tf 2, who couldnt even move anymore. why do humans take decepticon prisoners in tf5 and the autobots simply kill everyone no matter if they could even defenbd themselfs or not. In tf 3 Optimus decided to kill sentinel instead of holding him at gun point. Why? I simply wish that sometimes he doesnt just kill the "bad" guys. thx for calling me an idiot tho, just proves to me how immature you are

Optimus Prime's War Crimes -This is gonna be a long list.

@XNYDNTE

3 жыл бұрын

He only lists like 3 crimes lol the rest of the video is just him rambling

@Echo_Reyes

2 жыл бұрын

Coming in part 2

@LegendzPlushStudios

2 жыл бұрын

@@XNYDNTE Exactly and those 3 aren’t even war crimes to begin with LOL

@dinosaurus598

2 жыл бұрын

Crimes - Brutal Murder , collateral damage , Torture

@troll1572

Ай бұрын

@@dinosaurus598 primes kills are brutal but are extremely quick and not a war crime at all, never has tortured anyone either

Megatron was literally about to execute sentinel prime. He also does get his weapon up and fires a shot, meaning he is an active combatant.

@childeaterieatkidz4208

Жыл бұрын

No your blind megatron was barley able to lift his weapon before optimus was already killing him megatron has basically spent his energy beating the shit out of sentinel.

@Man_Aslume

2 ай бұрын

​@@childeaterieatkidz4208he still had the intent The only war crime optimus did there was kill sentinel who was not doing anything to fight optimus right there

the first one can't be a war crime. Megatron at this point was ready for war again and had just taken out centiniel prime and got whipped after he attacked a One Armed Optimus who had just been stabbed in the chest... also KSI was a weapons manufacturer and they openly said this when they were building galavatron

You made a good point with Demolisher. He wasn't fighting, he was running. As well as the other decepticons. Though he did cause alot of collateral damage and killed a few people while fleeing. Optimus jumped on him and shot him until he crashed and could no longer even move. And after giving Optimus (and crew) a cryptic warning, Optimus headshots the guy at point blank range. That wasn't a fight, that was basically gang violence.

@MrMJmusicLover

2 жыл бұрын

That was murder

@blackwood4734

2 жыл бұрын

@Blushing Saikawa yeah if they didnt piss him off first for no reason and he begged for his life

@bruhboi7935

2 жыл бұрын

I never realized that these movies are just gang wars with a few more "extreme" Gangs

@chrisklegg3957

2 жыл бұрын

I disagree. Demolisher ran because it was the smartest choice, not because he wanted to avoid killing. Furthermore, NEST was the one that started to attack him. Specifically HUMANS. The fact that NEST has authorization to kill Decepticons means that the "astronaut laws" shouldnt apply in this situation. Therefore Optimus shouldnt be charged with a war crime here. And its not like they can arrest a gigantic decepticon like demolisher. Where would they even keep him? So Optimus finishing off Demolisher was the most logical choice. After all, Demolisher never stated he wished to surrender, instead giving a warning, which sounded more like threatening the autobots

@DuyNguyen-pq2fq

2 жыл бұрын

What? Demolisher crushed like 3 cars at the freeway, meanwhile optimus didn’t. If left him alone, he might had killed even more people, and even autobots.

TFP Optimus is like the Polar opposite of Bayverse Optimus. Maybe that's why I love him. "Strong enough to be gentle." meanwhile, "KILL THEM ALL."

@hyperion3145

2 жыл бұрын

The OG G1 comic version is good too when the writers cut the leader worship, he actually gets depressed and actually does follow a code, apparently the Marvel version Autobots and Decepticons actually had their own Geneva Convention and sometimes reference it.

@MrTryHardC

2 жыл бұрын

@@hyperion3145 Sounds interesting!

@hyperion3145

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrTryHardC It is but most of it (like a Decepticon code of ethics) is more background material but it is interesting how consistent they kept it

@MrTryHardC

2 жыл бұрын

@@hyperion3145 Even Decepticons don't want war crimes I guess

@dinosaurus598

2 жыл бұрын

I think Opitmus Prime has PTSD

I always thought that the cool thing about Optimus in the first three films was that he was mostly a swell guy but was actually more brutal in his killing methods than Megatron was if you deserved it. For the most part when he fights it's like he's like level 2-3 out of 5, but then he would come back and absolutely tear apart the bad guys without mercy. I was stunned when I saw Optimus rip Megatron's head and spine out of his body, but then I remembered that in Revenge of the Fallen when he gets his upgrades he says to the Fallen "Give me your face" and proceeds to stick his fist through his back and straight through the other side. Just don't piss him off.

I argue three crimes at most. Your second crime is that Optimus kills, or murders Megatron while wounded. Now under the Geneva Conventions this is a crime, yes. However I argue this. Optimus kills him while also wounded, in the act of self defense. They were both wounded, and as you pointed out Megatron was trying to raise his gun before being flawless beheaded. Therefore; it can’t be a war crime again because they were both actively attempting to bring about the end of each other. I would love to know what others think on this.

In age of extinction I think Optimus breaks the “No unnecessary destruction” in the factory.

@keanusamuels1782

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair ksi was using his comrades as slaves. I'd be mad too if my dead comrades were misused like this

@keanusamuels1782

2 жыл бұрын

@Patren #1 I don't think bayverse was ever meant to be noble of any kind. They gave him a whole new twist which I liked about him

@wsmstudio3329

2 жыл бұрын

@@keanusamuels1782 but that made him anything but Optimus

@keanusamuels1782

2 жыл бұрын

@@wsmstudio3329 he is still optimus he Is just what tfp optimus described. (We will use violence if there is no other option available) and these movies perfectly describe that.

@LegendzPlushStudios

2 жыл бұрын

@Patren #1 He’s not meant to be a hero, and that’s good

I disagree with the wounded Megatron part. If I come across a wounded soldier, and he points a gun at me, is it within every right to kill him. It’s self-defense at that point.

@thesinister7676

2 жыл бұрын

@@madhurikulkarni9541 megatron made a truce to sentinel prime until he realized that Megatron won’t be in command. He wasn’t talking to Optimus but towards sentinel

@jackson-pl5zg

2 жыл бұрын

@@madhurikulkarni9541 That truce is nothing but a big fat lie.

@eizlaniskandar7946

2 жыл бұрын

@@jackson-pl5zg so war is primary objective then?

@flintson2268

Жыл бұрын

HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE A TRUCE AND OPTIMUS SAID NO STARTING THE FIGHT UP AGAIN!

@Ali-do2sk

Жыл бұрын

@@flintson2268 when did megatron start a truce ?

I feel like it's worth mentioning that right before Optimus killed Megatron in dark of the moon, Megatron had called for a truce

5:57 Does that count tho? Megatron was the soldier of the other side. If a soldier lost one of his eyes in a previous battle, can't he be killed during a war in the present? 8:17 If I remember correctly, both the autobots and the decepticons went to Earth on purpose, to find the Cube. They didn't come here because there wasn't any other option, they came here for treasure hunt.

@johnlucas2838

2 жыл бұрын

A treasure hunt to save their kind.

@laszlovarga6953

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnlucas2838 And? That still doesn't classify them as shipwrecks.

Sentinel killed Iron Hide with Space Rust which is an EXTREMELY deadly biological weapon in the TF universe. Optimus killing him would be similar treatment to how UN would punish someone for using biological warfare.

@kR-qj7rw

2 жыл бұрын

I think most of the problems isnt killing but how mortal.kombat silly shit is. Like sentinel getting executed is fair but not like that, problem is there's no way to get them trialed and captive so you just end with corpses and robot heads laying around on a city

@playstationarusu

2 жыл бұрын

Being put to death by a tribunal isn't the same as being executed on the spot.

@justsomeguy1136

2 жыл бұрын

@BadDriversOfTennessee the plan was betray the autobots and kill/enslave as many as possible along with the humans, but yet there’s legit people who think the decepticons are the good guys…right..

@shealupkes

2 жыл бұрын

@BadDriversOfTennessee according to most transformers lore if sentinel hadn't caught iron hide off guard he would never have made it off of that nest base alive, setting the obvious outliers such as optimus himself, the dinobots, and other exceptionally large/powerful autobots aside iron hide is easily the deadliest we've seen in "live action"

@scoobsshrooms109

2 жыл бұрын

@@shealupkes I would almost agree but bumblebee is clearly the more skilled of the two and he was there with iron hide, he’s also primes right hand man, as well as sams protector. It’d be the best option to kill him. As his role is much more important then ironhides. Iron only has his guns, close range he is nothing and sentinel clearly has substantial fire power, enough to overwhelm bumblebee but not kill him. Here’s what I think. Iron hide is slow and probably is an easier target, bee is fast and explosive, he would probably react to sentinel trying to shoot him, not die, then iron hide and bee would counter him. Not sure if they’d beat him because ironhide and bee are no match for sentinel. Sentinel more or less equals optimus prime, if you think ironhide and bee could beat optimus then your wrong, let alone ironhide. It was just safer to kill ironhide since trying to kill bee who is farther away and more tactical would probably fail. Lmao

"Ironhide! You know we don't harm humans! What is with you?!" Made me laugh way too hard.

@PaleoAnalysis

2 жыл бұрын

It made me laugh in 2007 when he said it in the first film. But wow... ... It only got funnier in hindsight after watching the actions of Bayverce Optimus Prime for 5 films

@chrisklegg3957

2 жыл бұрын

@@PaleoAnalysis He still kept following what he said though. The only exception was when he killed the cemetary wind guy, which was necessary based on the situation at hand

@ummelofilo9642

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisklegg3957 The only exception to Bayprime's code doesn't invalidate the rest of the time where he follows it because "it was necessary to the situation", but the one time TFP Prime does the same to try to end the whole war, it suddenly isn't okay, went too far, and 1 exception invalidates the 9.999 cases where he followed that rule... Who's the 'complete hypocrite', again?

@i_inject_mercury1930

2 жыл бұрын

"Procedes to rip a enemy Medic's face open"

@parkeranimations3671

2 жыл бұрын

He doesn’t kill a single human till AOE.

I’m not too mad about Optimus’ war crimes, I’ll forgive him for giving me awesome robot fights.

@ZX-Gear

9 ай бұрын

Optimus did nothing wrong here. The so-called victims were literally asking for it.

@Man_Aslume

2 ай бұрын

Decepticon meat riders will always point out optimus's war crimes And not FUCKING MEGATRON

Optimus in G1: **fully ready to murder Decepticons without hesitation.** Optimus in every other show and comic: “Nooooooo, he’s too nice!” Optimus in the Bay films: **fully ready to murder Decepticons without hesitation.**

I love how when Optimus rips Megatron's head off, it sounds like he's slurring out "not fair!"

@kingofevilganondorfdragmir3319

2 жыл бұрын

I was just thinking that actually

@brandonlyon730

2 жыл бұрын

This being the same Bot who stabbed Optimus in the back in the last movie and killed him.

@GojiBoiEarth1964

2 жыл бұрын

Fun fact: That sound was actually reused from ROTF when Megatron gets shot in the face by his own fusion canon. They also used it when Optimus was fighting Sentinel.

@hostilesnek5834

2 жыл бұрын

As a kid I always thought he say "brother"

@ecembrew

2 жыл бұрын

I have wondered since 2009 what was said when that happened also when Sentinel said it

I think the first one is invalid, since Megatron was obviously trying to kill Optimus. He has the right to defend himself, whether the enemy is weak or strong. He also has his arm chopped off, and had a beating from Sentinel, so he’s also weak. He’s probably more injured than Megatron. So Megatron almost committed a war crime, not Optimus. That was self defense against a war crime.

@catcat7910

2 жыл бұрын

You aren't wrong

@mckenziebraswell-miller2327

2 жыл бұрын

I mean the first one definitely still counts because not only is he wounded, but Megatron was surrendering to Prime. There are other versions of the script where Megatron and Optimus actually agree to a truce and it works for a while.

@juvizard99

2 жыл бұрын

Well in a Bay interview he states that the truce Megatron claimed was a fat lie, and why would you make a truce with space hitler anyways?

@tmac731

2 жыл бұрын

This whole video was a interesting take but his examples were dumb and contradicted itself

@thelonewolf2929

2 жыл бұрын

@@juvizard99 Megatron isn't as bad as Hitler LMAO

You are just making him more likeable for me

Demolisher wasn't hiding if you think abt it and the decepticons weren't without a leader; if you remember in revenge of the fallen starscream told megatron that "someone had to take command" meaning that either he or the fallen were leading the decepticons. I think demolisher was just waiting on orders

I just imagine seeing Megatron in court with a suit on trying to defend himself in court lol

@pucci2331

Жыл бұрын

And Optimus prime aswell

@thetrashking459

Жыл бұрын

"Your honor, I'm the bad guy. It's written in the script that I commit crimes"

@Man_Aslume

Жыл бұрын

​@thetrashking459 "prime is the good guy, thus making any war crimes he does is irrelevant."

@Man_Aslume

Жыл бұрын

​@thetrashking459 "your honor my client pleads oopsie dais."

Ok that first one doesn't count because prime was arguably just as fucked as megatron, you know, with his whole arm missing

@XNYDNTE

3 жыл бұрын

And the fact Megatron still had a weapon in his hand so he was still classified as an enemy lmao someone needs to teach this man who made this video about the Rules of Engagement before he starts talking about war crimes

@zaltear597

3 жыл бұрын

It was fax i mean sentinel almost committed the first one by trying to stab prime while wounded

@XNYDNTE

3 жыл бұрын

@@zaltear597 EXACTLY

@icommitedwarcrimes4879

3 жыл бұрын

@@XNYDNTE _let me introduce myself_

@RandomGuy-ht7dq

2 жыл бұрын

@orion cabral cabral but he had a gun in his hand meaning that he could have killed optimus with that gun

The way I see it, people who have never been in the type situations that have been seen in these movies and others can judge all they want but most if put in that type of situation don't know what they would do. That my opinion at least.

Optimus Prime a war criminal? Only in the strictest interpretations of the Geneva Conventions. However, I would say he is not. Charge 1 - The very first example, where Optimus takes out an injured Megatron (right before the 6-minute mark), shouldn't count as Megatron was still an active combatant at that point. He was literally shooting a gun at Optimus. If someone scrapes their knee in battle, are they now off limits to the opposing force? Megatron was still in the game, even with half a face and one arm. Doesn’t matter if he’s not as strong as he used to be, Megatron was still and active threat and willing combatant. Charge 2 - The shipwrecked examples? It’s weak at best. How are the Decepticons "shipwrecked" if they willingly came to this planet?. Had they been trying to go elsewhere or didn’t want to land, then sure, but they were PURPOSELY COMING HERE! They didn’t “crash land,” they just landed, just really hard. Heck, that’s how the Autobots came to Earth in the first movie. It may look like crashing, but that’s only because we weak flesh creatures would burn up in the atmosphere, and if we miraculously survived that, we’d be smashed to pieces when we landed. Cybertronians are built a bit different. This is a perfectly acceptable way for them to come to a planet, especially one they came to on purpose. No shipwreck here. Charge 3 - This was a close one, but I’ll give Optimus some leeway here. Sentinel was still an active threat, sure not as much as he was, but still a threat. Not to mention Sentinel has proven to use deception in his combat. He doesn’t become a POW just because he realizes he’s about to lose. Of course he’s gonna want Optimus to stop, what else is he going to say, “please kill me?” He was still in combat, still fair game. Charge 4 - This is the closest one, so it at least warrants an investigation. But at what point does a “civilian organization” stop being a civilian organization? There are a lot of terrorist organizations that don’t consider themselves terrorists. If your job is to kill, torture, and/or mutilate…you might not just be a civilian any more. That’s actively hurting others, kinda like a combatant. Even before the CIA came in and took over, they were still doing some pretty shady stuff. They posed a threat to Cybertronians, regardless of how they designated themselves. But still, I’ll give you some credit here, Optimus is really towing the line here, so this one might have some weight to it.

@i_inject_mercury1930

2 жыл бұрын

Yea But them melting An autobots head mesed me up bro. If I was a robot, I woudve stepped on anyone that even had the slightest involvement in the murdering and dissasembleing

@arno7163

2 жыл бұрын

Charge 1 - I think in the original version Megatron offered a truce to stop fighting and to leave Earth. In the film cut he still offered a truce, Prime didn't negotiate just straight up attacked. I don't know if that counts. Charge 2 - They can come to earth but I don't think they can leave as easily, some can't fly and I think they need to be specific builds to turn into flight craft. But in the specific example Demolisher was incapacitated and Prime shot him in the head, not arrested or detained. Charge 3 - Sentinel was also incapacitated

@NikNokGamer

2 жыл бұрын

@@arno7163 Charge 1 - Michael Bay confirmed in an interview that Megatron’s “truce” was fake.

@scoobsshrooms109

2 жыл бұрын

I mean torture and mutilation of the dead are also war crimes so I don’t see why charge 4 is valid at all

@i_inject_mercury1930

2 жыл бұрын

@@scoobsshrooms109 is it still a war crime if the enemy commited war crimes?

Wait a minute, didn’t Cemetery wind kill an wounded Ratchet who was asking them to hold their fire and the KSI committed another war crime when they experimented on his body? So in a way they kinda had it coming.

@twister107

2 жыл бұрын

@Blushing Mitsuba oh yeah.

@neroidius6915

Жыл бұрын

Plus they tracked Optimus down to kill him even after he was severely injured and in hiding, and they used three civilians as hostages and threatened to kill one of them if they didn’t give him up, hell in that entire movie Optimus was just fighting war crimes with war crimes

@yoursleepparalysismonster8391

Жыл бұрын

Gotta fight war crimes with war crimes, that's what my great uncle once told me.

@plantainsame2049

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure that's qualified under peacekeeping not to mention it's just a machine right these Shady government bastards

@djtrac3r935

Жыл бұрын

@@neroidius6915 fight fire with fire

Well then the cemetery wind did a war crime because they killed Rachet who is a medic and leadfoot who surrendered right?

@johnmarston853

2 жыл бұрын

Yup

Hello! Navy Reserve JAG here: That first one is for sure NOT a war crime, Megatron literally still brandished a weapon and was planning to get a treaty with prime at gunpoint (this is hit or Miss as a war crime itself). It may be a crime in US law (stretch there too except how picky the gun laws are meaning since he killed him with a blade he’s less protected) it is definitely not internationally! Also, I am not sure Sentinel prime would be protected by international law as he is literally not from here lmao.

No one talking about how Megatron literally saved Optimus from being executed and tried to make peace and with 0 reason Optimus freaks out like a 14 year old eminem fan with anger issues and kills him lol

@jackson-pl5zg

2 жыл бұрын

What makes you think he was asking for a truce? This is freaking Megatron we're talking about. You would think he wouldn't hesitate of killing Optimus again when given the chance.

@atomicniko92

2 жыл бұрын

He was asking for a truce, in the comic adaptation the Autobots lived on Earth and the Deceptions returned to Cybertron to rebuild, the tensions were squashed but Bay wanted a cool ending to at the time the end of the movie franchise.

@Tomi-berry

2 жыл бұрын

Megatron said truce, but for what? There isn’t enough context and that’s bad directing

@atomicniko92

2 жыл бұрын

It was in the comics, Optimus recognized Megatron’s sincerity and the Decepticons left Earth and the remaining Autobots helped the humans advance and protected them

@r3uvsgaming

2 жыл бұрын

@@atomicniko92 are these bayverse comics?

"Thanks for saving the planet from an enemy who we barely understand and are hopelessy outgunned by but....you violated our laws by doing all in your power to ensure our safety." I'd be like "fuck humans" like he was in Age of Extinction too..

@mediocri5y

2 жыл бұрын

Same

@dipanjanghosal1662

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, this is Batman levels of pedantic

@genocyberia619

Жыл бұрын

For some reason every movie goes "lets distrust the obvious good guys who risked their lives and went out of their way to protect us from enemies who'd wipe us out" its gets worse in TF5 when they hold decepticons prisoner but for some reason kill autobots

@rileyfreedman

Жыл бұрын

I know right, kill one space hitler and you’re just as bad as jeffery dalmer

Personally if the decepticons were at mcu villain level then I could see them being spared but the movie deceptiocons were to ruthless and got a lot of people killed so I could see why Optimus had to take them all out

demolisher said, "This is not your planet to rule, the fallen shall rise again." *and then he died*

Objection! At least for the first but with Megatron. “The wounded” was still giving fight. Megatron may have been injured but he was still fighting back, so OP killing him doesn’t count as a war crime.

Bayverse Optimus is a definition of "That one nice guy you dont want to piss off" 😅

@ieat10kittens94

Жыл бұрын

...except hes always pissed off

Optimus Prime always goes for the head. Bonecrusher, Demolishor, Grindor, Megatron’s face, The Fallen, DOTM Longhaul, Shockwave, Sentinel Prime, Megatron’s entire head this time, and worse... was about to go for Bumblebee in TLK

@andrewdailey3362

2 жыл бұрын

You could say he's a real "head hunter". If you fight Optimus you will "lose your head". Lol

@shanonsnyder9450

2 жыл бұрын

Optimus was psychotic in that way. He always had this thing about faces. You have to depersonalize your victim before maiming him

@costeadavid3790

2 жыл бұрын

Optimus gave Thor after classes meditation for aiming at the head.

@J.L.The-runt

2 жыл бұрын

@@costeadavid3790 Thor be graduating with honors and a very meditated satisfaction

@swector_unit4257

2 жыл бұрын

I just notice that.

These movies were bad but holy shit the CGI was so insanely good.

Honestly if you think about it Megatron was responsible for killing innocent transformers that decided to not work for him, and was responsible for killing a entire race. I don’t think court would really care about Optimus killing a sick Megatron after hearing about that.

It's easy for TFP to get away with not committing damage to human property whether intentional or accidental, 99% of the time they fight in the middle of nowhere; Empty deserts, empty arctic, empty space, empty spaceship, maybe an empty parking lot. Not to mention that decepticon servant class wasn't trying to pull out a weapon to fight Ratchet, which all the Decepticons in the Bayverse do, every single time, down to the smallest like the Kitchen bots in ROTF. But honestly, I think Optimus' brutality is justified in context of their situation, that being a dead home planet, a brutal enemy that will stab you in the back if you let your guard down, which Megatron did in ROTF. People criticize Bayverse Optimus as a bloodthirsty monster compared to TFP or G1, but it's not like the Decepticons are innocent victims who did nothing wrong, they're out to kill him and everyone. It's like he said at the end of the 2007 movie to Megatron as he was dying after the All-Spark was shoved into his chest: "You left me no choice, Brother", and it's like that for the rest of them.

@chrisklegg3957

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. No deception in the bayverse has dropped their weapons and surrendered. Moreover, TFP Optimus is a hypocrite. In episode "CrossFire" Optimus states that no being should be harmed if they are weak and unable to defend themselves, regardless of whether they are a deception or not. HOWEVER, in that same episode, Megatron is weak and unable to defend himself after fighting the insecticon. And guess what Optimus does He points his canon right at Megatron's head, thereby contradicting what he said.

@k-koldgaming2509

2 жыл бұрын

i agree with all of this as well. if i were in his shoes, having fought (assumedly) a few hundred, if not several hundred years of war against a race of my own kind that were known for their brutality, i wouldnt take any chances, not even here on earth. taking chances is what caused cybertron to fall, hoping for the decepticons to be willing to work things out due to a personal sense of justice and honor. no way in hell would i risk that happening again here on earth

@ummelofilo9642

2 жыл бұрын

The Deceptions under Megatron are backstabbing bots out to kill him and everyone in every continuity, yet he's only that brutal here.

@ummelofilo9642

2 жыл бұрын

@@k-koldgaming2509 Yet he has, and never acted like that.

@ummelofilo9642

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisklegg3957 You're a hypocrite. You villify TFP Prime for trying to end the war by rotting out the one that keeps prolonging it for selfish reasons, yet justify Bayprime for commiting brutal war crimes daily.

Sentinel wasn't really pleading for his life. If you want to see pleading for your life, play the clip just a minute before that when Sentinel is about to kill Optimus who is doing exactly that.

@micahmcfarland7579

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY

The problem with this is that decepticons and autobots aren't really uniformed combatants, so they're not protected under the Geneva convention

"Optimus, you can't do that, stop, you told us you wouldn't do that!!" Optimus: I lied.

Idk, I kinda can’t blame Optimus for killing Megatron in DotM. Megatron has been a raging war criminal for like a million years and was part Y responsible for destroying Cybertron. Not to mention, he worked with Sentinel to invade Earth, killing thousands. Leaving Megatron alive is too dangerous.

11:53 “at one point, ratchet almost kills a minor”

@angrychimpanzee8621

2 жыл бұрын

Wow

@i_inject_mercury1930

2 жыл бұрын

Expected

I love how in the first movie optimus is only defending himself and others but literally the next movie he becomes a murderer for no reason. Megatron proposed a truce and he just rips his head and spine, brutal. And in revenge of the fallen the decepticons in the beginning of the movie weren't even attacking, they were minding their own business and one gets bisected and the other gets torn apart and shot in the face.

I watched a video about a soldier reacting to John Walker, Captain America (Falcon and the Winter Soldier series) killing the terrorist. He stated that it was a justified kill and the terrorist was not actually surrendering but rather just buying some time or delaying the situation. In the Sentinel Prime scenario, somehow, he didn't surrender. If I can remember the scene, Sentinel was merely justifying why he betrayed the autobots and once a gun was pointed against him, he did not state surrender rather just saying "no" or "don't do that" which is in a way also a form of delay tactics. You can take this statement in a grain of salt, since again, I just saw it on another video and also, I just really wanted Sentinel dead after the betrayal Lastly, even though Megatron was severely injured in the 3rd movie, he was still a threat to human and the autobots. Even in the last scene, he was capable enough to help in taking down Sentinel prime plus aiming an armed weapon to a soldier may be a justification to neutralize a threat to your own life.

He's soldier. Soldiers lose what is good or what is bad. He fights to protect. He lost friends in this war. Soldier's emotions change when in combat. They really look bad, but they're trying to protect the good.

@zoyuomg5934

3 жыл бұрын

Uhh no, optimus isn't Ironhide, he is a LEADER not soldier. And as a leader he should be keeping track of humanitatiam laws.

@ZackWP1309

3 жыл бұрын

@@zoyuomg5934 this ain't afganistan this is a cybertronian war and also if transformers were real you would be rooting for optimus to be this ruthless because if he stayed a sympathetic figure many people would have died so would you rather him be him and take out the cons or him be nicer and let billions and zillions of people die?

@kaijubot980

3 жыл бұрын

@@zoyuomg5934 how about you? Would you keep track of what you're doing in battle. Let's say a gang jumped you? And you had a gun, would you hesitate to shoot them? No. If you tried to scare them off with the gun they'll come back. Won't you atleast shoot them in the leg?

@kaijubot980

3 жыл бұрын

Plus, some Leaders wouldn't hesitate to help there soldiers. Cybertron was full of Cons. Hiding would just be as hard as fighting. They can't hide because Cons are everywhere. They have Decepticon Bases all over. Optimus needs to fight wih them. I doubt the Autobots can fight without Optimus. Sometimes, crimes need to be done to save others.

@Achieme

3 жыл бұрын

Optimus prime's occupation is literally Leader of the Autobots, It would make sense if were talking about Ironhide.

Just because something is illegal, doesn't mean it is wrong (and vice versa).

@MrMJmusicLover

2 жыл бұрын

Ok, go drink and drive and see if that isn't illegal.

@CryosisOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrMJmusicLover I see that you cannot read. How unfortunate for you.

@deisk2707

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrMJmusicLover is this harmful?

@fduranthesee

2 жыл бұрын

Fax. “An unjust law is no law at all.”

@MrMJmusicLover

2 жыл бұрын

@@CryosisOfficial I excelled at reading in school. Even was taken out of a reading class when I was mistakenly put in one. 😏

I love how people think that live action Optimus prime is how Optimus prime should be

@Man_Aslume

Жыл бұрын

More like the realistic one, if you have been exposed to a eons long war with billions dying, your friends dying, and your whole God damn world being dead Would you be humble or will you be aggressive just wanting this war over by every enemy being dead

Considering that Bayverse's decepticons are living breathing war crimes on legs, pretty much any and everything Optimus and the Autobots does to them is justifiable.

5:54 but that rule doesn't apply if the sick/wounded individual still participates in combat, which Megatron did by trying to shoot Optimus, before being killed

@Nobody-zl3kk

2 жыл бұрын

I'll give you that, but is the execution necessary when the adversary is weak enough to be subdued? or is this just brutality enforced for the sake of brutality? Prime had Megatron on the ground before actually ripping his head out so... i think its the later rather than the former.

@DioDeezBrando

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nobody-zl3kk yeah I think it was necessary. Megatron would probably survive and escape if Prime didn't kill him (and he did survive anyways) and we can't have space Hitler running around

@Nobody-zl3kk

2 жыл бұрын

@@DioDeezBrando You cannot execute anyone on the pretense of "well maybe in some future they escape and do something bad" even if you know that they would, if you execute someone on the spot on the pretense of "premptive action" then you open a can of worms where atrocities and acts of violence can be justified by sheer possibility; also, as you said Megatron is space Hitler (or seems like it in the Bayverse at least, unlike in alligned, idw or cyberverse) so if detained he would probably be brought to court and sentenced to death anyways, is his death "right"? well most likely, but the "good guys" shouldn't behave like savages in order to defeat their foes (bear in mind i said should) for the sacrifice of one's moral fiber could prove worse than anything.

@ilyte1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nobody-zl3kk depends on the location of his crimes. For the most part he would be tried under US law. If that's the case then he has committed crimes in: Nevada, Illinois, Texas and, the Mariana trench (destruction of government property)

@ilyte1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nobody-zl3kk I don't think there is much evidence for all his cybertronian crimes so maybe a counts of genocide at most and destruction of government property on Cybertron from his takeover. Along with several counts of murder and conspiracy on Earth along with assault of government officials and assault of civilians I'm pretty sure Chicago counts as him assaulting humans by attempting to enslave/harm by the definition of assault

This is how everyone thought of him during The Last Knight

@LegendzPlushStudios

2 жыл бұрын

Except he wasn’t in control. Typical, hating for no valid reason

It's so much better than I thought it would be. Very nice!

130.00+ people: „HMMMMM INTERESTING“

Optimus did the right thing and you know that,also i really like how they made him such a badass in the movies,unlike the tv shows,he actually kicks some real ass as he rips and tears until it is done

@GoodwillWright

2 жыл бұрын

Probably one of the most badass scenes of Optimus from original Transformers is from the first animated Transformers film. It does make you think that the showrunners actually wanted to depict war but had to tone it back drastically for their target audience. But once the shackles were off for the first animated film, they went all in. Prime ended a lot of Decepticons in defense of their HQ.

@SWDude2710

Жыл бұрын

He was pretty badass on TFP, The 1986 animated movie, TFA, and somewhat the Prime Wars trilogy, despite that shows quality.

I wouldn't count the one with Sentinel because we all know he was lying and pretending he didn't want to fight to make Optimus put his guard down. He was committing a war crime himself by false surrendering. We all know he was just gonna stab Optimus if he put the gun down. He was breaking the law and had to be punished accordingly.

Not killing wounded combatants only applies if they aren’t fighting anymore. If a wounded man is still intending on fighting then he’s a valid target until he puts his rifle down.

Bro great video. You are so underrated

Millions of years of knowledge about how the decepticons operate and behave, optimus has a pretty justifiable reason for it. If Autobots were to follow Human war laws it won't do Autobots nor humans any good considering the decepticons will use that against us. So optimus is very smart to let decepticons know; "hey, if you're gonna act like an ass, I'm gonna kill you." He's only a war criminal based on human laws but what about cybertronian laws?

@eyywannn8601

Жыл бұрын

@CEM _CJ Not really. Lockdown isn’t a Decepticon. The TRF worked with Megatron after he abducted people.

Prime is the kind of character nobody would forge an alliance with from past alone

@ohyeahyeah7260

2 жыл бұрын

y not

To be completely fair to Optimus on the conventions; every time he violates the Geneva Conventions it’s against a war criminal: Megatron and Sentinel Prime are easily guilty of several more and worse war crimes while the company heads of Age of Extinction were guilty of experimenting on the corpses of Autobot which violates both the condition of soldiers convention as well as the war crime laws surrounding desecration. A real world example is the death of Mussolini who, rather than being taken to court where he could’ve potentially weaseled himself either into a plea deal or be cleared of charges, was instead hung from a gas station and beaten to death by Italian rebels. Was this a war crime? Yes, Was this done to a FAR greater war criminal? Also yes.

I'm not sure if the first one qualifies as a war crime considering they were both injured and in a sense handicapped. The second one could also be debated since they weren't actually shipwrecked. You could actually argue that they were sent here on the orders of the Fallen. The third instance isn't a war crime since Sentinel was guilty of treason, and treason is still punishable by death. The only one I can't find a plausible argument for is the fourth instance.

And this is the main difference between bayformers and the rest of the transformers mythos.

"War crimes of Optimus Prime" **grabs popcorn**

War crimes is only fun when you’re not on the receiving end

War shouldn’t have “rules.” An olden saying goes: “All’s fair in Love and War.” And, Rules or any kind, just make things worse.

"Optimus is under law and shouldn't kill Megatron" Optimus before killing Megatron: *Was forced to leave Earth then his ship blew up by the same gov't*

Two things: 1. Optimus Prime doesn't and never will follow HUMAN rules, why should he 2. In TFP the not killing the servent wasn't a human rule but more so a rule he made the Autobots follow.

@901Sherman

3 жыл бұрын

1. Movie Optimus definitely is within the bounds of human law. Heck, he and the autobots have a cooperation act/agreement with humanity so whatever things were in other versions, they don’t apply to this one. 2. Well it’s still consistent with the Geneva Accords.

@StrykerPrimeProductions

3 жыл бұрын

I'm just one who thinks that Optimus acts a little too soft by following human rules, I would just like it if Optimus would just say "screw it, I'm taking matters into my own hands, their rules don't apply to me." But unfortunately no one will ever do that

@Lamp_2155

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t think Optimus following human rules matters towards Decepticons. I’m sure most people would want the decepticons dead or in permanent stasis and not just locked up

@StrykerPrimeProductions

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@zoyuomg5934

3 жыл бұрын

@@StrykerPrimeProductions In pretty much every instalment of transformers (without the bay movies) optimus is a idealistic leader who values all life, he isn't some edgy "i'll kill you" type of character, he should be following human rules.

5:52 Murder is the only thing you could argue for and even than it does not stick. Prime (lacking his hand) killed ARMED Megatron in open combat in unfavourable conditions. It was a middle of the fight (where prime was beaten down and almost killed) and optimus could be more clear about his wish to attack megatron only if he stated it directly (as in: "I will kill you"). He could have spared him but he was not obliged to. Megatron seemed to be stunned that Optimus still had that much fight in him, nothing more. 8:21 Aaaand that one ignores quite a lot of things. For one that jet ex-decepticon set a precedence that the decepticons are not incapable of switching sides. They are not programmed to follow the Megatron, it's their choice and Decepticons are the conquest by definition. He get's no pass morally here. Second, he started the violence. Considering the fact that this is a FUCKING HUGE dude his mass alone is a danger and a weapon (not to mention whatever he used to do the explosions around). As he actively attacked soldiers of earth and (considering the mindset of the decepticon believers) he would not fall back if he wasn't outnumbered and outgunned. He was either a combatant or a dangerous criminal. 9:55 Yup. Finally something right. 11:05 He would be breaking the convention IF he was operating as a part of military/country. You can call him many names at this moment, terrorist, outlaw, warrior of justice but not a war criminal.

This has changed my perspective on Optimus Prime and maybe even the Autobot group as a whole. Neat video. You got a new like and a sub

Actually Optimus prime is violent because too many of his friends and allies are killed and he wants revenge

@ashockingwave

2 жыл бұрын

He stated that in the video

Honestly I definitely have to say the Transformers prime incarnation of Optimus is the truest to the character that I've ever seen. And the fact that that optimist also respected war law makes me appreciate him all the more

@Lu1zF3l1pe

2 жыл бұрын

No shit. He had no charisma. There are better ones

@chrisklegg3957

2 жыл бұрын

He is a complete hypocrite. In episode "CrossFire" Optimus states that no being should be harmed if they are weak and unable to defend themselves, regardless of whether they are a deception or not. HOWEVER, in that same episode, Megatron is weak and unable to defend himself after fighting the insecticon. And guess what Optimus does He points his canon right at Megatron's head, thereby contradicting what he said. Im sure that breaks both geneva law and some cybertronian laws too

@fathercosmic8061

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisklegg3957 But didn't he not shoot him though? I didn't think aiming your gun at people could harm them lol

@K.Y.L.E_34

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisklegg3957 Megatron literally almost destroyed the earth earlier and when prime decides not to shoot him Megatron tells the Decepticons to kill them. Also if you watch the show you realize that prime wants to stop Megatron at any COST as the show progresses

@ummelofilo9642

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisklegg3957 You're a hypocrite. You justify Bayprime commiting excruciating amounts of war crimes for no reason at all everytime he's on screen, yet villify TFP Prime for simply trying to end the war that cause all Cybertronians suffering by ending the madman that'd gladly prolong the war just to have his personal revenge at him, a madman he has spared dozens of time before... but everyone has limits.

The algorithm must have brought me to a true Decepticon this is oddly comforting...thank you

Megatron: *Revives* Optimus: How many times do I need to teach you this lesson, old man!

I'm not tryna hate I honestly love the video. But I am proir service military. And a few of these actually aren't war crimes. The part where Optimus kills Megatron in the fight with sentinel prime. If an enemy holds or is attempting to pick up a weapon to cause harm to their aggressor then the aggressor has every right to kill him. I could say that sentinel prime was reaching for a weapon the moment before Optimus shot that first shot into him. But that second shot was fs a war crime. Anyways love the video will be subbing and dropping a like ❤️

In my opinion movie prime is the most realistic due to his mental state changing due to all the fighting

@SuperGamefreak18

2 жыл бұрын

yeah I could believe a slow detroriation from his psyche since well he was slowly becoming basically a super weapon in a sense, and I have a small thought that their personalities come from the individuals they modelled theirselves after, and well betryal after betryal just made optimus snapped.

@grand_max66

2 жыл бұрын

That's an interesting theory. If only the movies actually used that idea *at all* to explain Prime's change from 07-ROTF.

@atlasdusk6341

2 жыл бұрын

@@grand_max66 Yeah they don't say it in the movies but when you watch them you can see it including if you know someone who has had a similar thing happen to them

@atlasdusk6341

2 жыл бұрын

@@SuperGamefreak18 Yup, they are sentient beings and since they feel true emotions they change change their character also

If optimus dosen't kill the decepticons they will just keep coming back and killing the same humans trying to lock him up for killing them

One good deed does not undo a lifetime of bad decisions so many of these war crimes were committed amongst enemies that supposedly switch sides or were left abandoned they knew what side they were on when they started the fight you can't just switch sides because oh no we're losing

I personally favor film version Optimus Prime. I’m glad that he’s vicious because of how ruthless the Decepticons were, and I think his enemies deserves death.

@nonchalantguy7008

2 жыл бұрын

I’m with you. 👌🏿

@morbidarts9722

2 жыл бұрын

Personally I believe he has some mental health issues with severe ptsd with all the war he’s fought, friends he’s lost, seeing the slaughtered and killed in front of him and having to give so much to protect the earth and humans. And then it gets worse when the humans he thought he could trust start hunting and slaughtering his comrades and using them as a resource.

@AMWZPN

2 жыл бұрын

@@morbidarts9722 This right here. This is why I love Film Prime so much. People want him to be Jesus but he is a war veteran with traumas. I love seeing him make mistakes and overcoming them. Plus G1 prime wasn’t concerned about following human laws either.

@benjamingomez1761

2 жыл бұрын

@@AMWZPN what mistakes does he overcome? In which part of the movies we see Optimus being traumatized? , none, the movies present him as a badass when he brutally kills and shows zero remorse, he is not a tragic hero whos past leaves him traumatized, he is not The Punisher, he is a prime example of people directing and writing about a franchise that they dont care or respect, where Prime has no ideals, Bumblebee is a Chevrolet commercial, and the Decepticons are evil because the script says so, no motivation, no story, just crap

@AMWZPN

2 жыл бұрын

@@benjamingomez1761 "what mistakes does he overcome? In which part of the movies we see Optimus being traumatized? , none, the movies present him as a badass when he brutally kills and shows zero remorse." TF 5 if you watched it I suppose not, he makes the mistake of being willing to sacrifice Earth due to being deceived by Quintessa's manipulation and brainwashing. He shows remorse for it and helps fix the situation by the end of the film. TF 4, I guess you didn't watch this one either, He is hysterical and defensive when Cade wakes him up, thinking that he is being attacked as he and others were being killed and hunted, that's called trauma. "shows zero remorse" It's a requirement to show this towards evil now? Interesting. ''Decepticons are evil because the script says so, no motivation, no story'' Nice to know they are sticking to the G1 source material. If you haven't learned yet the Decepticons have always evil just because, and the original episodes had no story either, the same plot points happened each episode. Anyway, that is all, goodbye.

The AOE Warcrime doesnt matter due to the fact Optimus said "Humans have wanted us to play by their rules, well the rules have just changed". So after DOTM he didn't care about the laws. also he should be allowed to kill Sentinel due to the fact he killed Ironhide, Skids, Mudflap and many innocent civillians. What he did was no different to a court execution. If someone has been sentenced to death they would be killed regardless. The shipwrecked cons were illigal on earth and had the means to leave the planet again (proven by how starscream was able to fly to the nemesis while being a F22 Raptor). They also did try run away when they were about to be captured. If a dangerous criminal is on the run and starts killing civillians then the police are allowed to shoot them.

Having this pop up as one of those 3 a.m. videos is honestly amazing. I actually really enjoyed this and it brought up really good points about bayverse Optimus 😂