Should the United States have ever intervened in Vietnam?

@imranabagero8042

4 ай бұрын

Mabye? I mean they were Re getting rid of the commies

@90sgdx

4 ай бұрын

No

@hellgates_javed6451

4 ай бұрын

They could have made a voting to either reunite the country or keep it divided

@skaterattrash2712

4 ай бұрын

No, it cost the lives of thousands of Americans and Vietnamese people. They already gained their independence and was having a civil war. I understand the time of the “red scare” but we should’ve let them be and handle their conflicts themselves. Same goes for Latin America

@adolflenin7770

4 ай бұрын

in my opinion if we support ukraine than we should respect the Vietnamese self determination.

My father & I took my Vietnam War veteran grandfather to Washington D.C. several years ago for the 1st time for him to see the Vietnam War Memorial Wall. He got drafted in the late 1960s & he got injured by shrapnel from a land mine (in addition to getting shot), so he got sent home and received a Purple Heart. However, 6 of his buddies didn't make it back home, so before the trip he made a list of all of their names & where they were located on the wall. As he found each on the wall, he got very emotional knowing that he managed to come home (though injured), get married, have 3 sons, & live another 50 years, but 6 of his friends didn't.

@vanessamaldonado5877

4 ай бұрын

And yet millions of Vietnamese also didnt get to live and have children all beause the US government couldnt allow Vietnam to have sovereignty and self determination, all in the name of capitalist interests.

@1krani

4 ай бұрын

Reminds me of a painting I once saw in a VFW hall. It was a picture of an older man with on hand on the memorial wall, crying. Reflected on the wall was the ghostly visage of what I assume to be one of his friends who never came back, along with 5 or 6 other men standing, sitting, lingering around him, looking at their living, older, retired veteran friend, all of them in uniform and gear. I'll never forget that painting.

@anomalocaris2593

3 ай бұрын

All this fighting a side that tried to enter peace negotiations multiple times

I'm a Vietnamese, and my grandparents often tell stories of what it was like back then. I'd like to share some of the local tales here, but if you find them to be too long, just skip them. I'm just reminiscing a bit: - During the bombing raid of the North in 1965, the VNmese were equipped with only old models of MiGs from the USSR, and their numbers were only like 2/3 of the US Air Force active in North VN at the time. However, there was a pilot that was so skilled at handling the MiG that he single-handedly fought off a whole escort squadron just to get in range of the B-52 to fire the missiles. The MiG only had 2 at the time, and to down the bomber, he needed to hit both, but apparently he missed one, and he himself became the 3rd missile and flew straight into the B-52, downing the bird. Now the story could've been exaggerated to raise morale, but it was true that he downed a B-52 after dogfighting the escort since witnesses saw the B-52 falling not long after, and the pilot was nowhere to be found. The carcass of the MiG was discovered, and is now on display at the Air Force Museum. Thanks to the story, many people, even when it's raining bombs, kept telling each other "The Americans got their B-52s, we got our MiGs", and held their heads high. - When the bombing hit Hanoi in 1972, my grandmother was pregnant with my uncle, and she was at Bach Mai hospital mere hours before it got obliterated. She recalled: "It was terrible, but not scary. The alarms went off an hour before anything happened, and everyone ran to the shelters. These shelters weren't anything special, but at least the debris wouldn't come flying through. At first it was quiet, and then the ground started shaking. Kids were crying all around, and some mothers started singing lullabies to calm them down. It got quiet again, and it shook again, and quiet again, and then shook again, and then finally, dead silence. Everyone waited another 15 minutes before opening the shelter, and the scene was horrific. The bombing mowed everything down, straight through the city, and the bombs missed my shelter by only a kilometer. When we looked around, we found a stream of smoke going through the sky, and a white figure. It turned out to be an American pilot that jumped out of their plane, and everyone was out for blood. They nearly had him too, but the soldiers (VNmese soldiers) were quicker than us and, to our dismay, protected the pilot. It was ironic how their job was to kill each other, but now one is protecting the other from the ones that they harmed". - My grandfather was one of the few people that migrated North, and he was born just 10 kms South of the DMZ that was established after the war with the French. He told me: "People were coming from the North to the South. Seeing them actually having wealth and a decent life, I thought why not go North. But when I asked, apparently no one was allowed to go to the North anymore, and so I swam across the river. It was only when I'm in the North that things were not as great as I had hoped for. Many nights I was with an empty stomach, and I even had to resort to eating rotten potatoes. But the people were so kind, and many families took me in, sharing what little they have, all believing in a brighter future. The leaders gave them hope, and even if it might have been false, it kept them going for even another day". There were many more, but these 2 are the ones that I remember the most. I miss you grandma and grandpa, hopefully you are at peace. P/s: Love your channel Mr. Terry. You and VTS were the 2 people really kept me going during Covid. Wish you and everyone you love the best of wishes!

@user-nj8jl7zd4x

4 ай бұрын

I remember that the US military was afraid of China's strength and did not bomb Hanoi and Haiphong.

@germanjc5873

4 ай бұрын

@@user-nj8jl7zd4x I'm not sure about Hai Phong, but the bombing did hit Hanoi. You can look up Bach Mai hospital bombing or Kham Thien bombing, both are places in Hanoi

@longpham2993

3 ай бұрын

@@user-nj8jl7zd4xNo, no, no :))) just look for bomb map :))

yeah. few people, even Vietnamese, know Ho Chi Minh was a huge fan of the US. The Vietnamese government, constitution, and declaration of independence were based on the US. But then the French came back to Vietnam and the US didn't budge to help Ho Chi Minh. He had to side back to the USSR and communist countries since they were willing to help.

@dungvuanh6417

4 ай бұрын

Well that's true, the fight of US again Britsh empire did inspire us.

@Mohenjo_Daro_

4 ай бұрын

I get so many weird looks when I bring up the fact that their declaration of independence was inspired by the US's. It's humbling when you know how horrible the US has been to many non-European countries, because Vietnam wasn't the only democracy we've overthrown in favor of a dictatorship

If only France respected Vietnam’s decision to be independent the US would of never got involved and saved countless lives.

@kushjindal2939

4 ай бұрын

Also if us did not send troops in vitneam

@1krani

4 ай бұрын

Also if the U.S. had pressured France to give up the ship. Then, Ho Chi Minh wouldn't have needed to turn to Russia for help.

@j0hnn13K

4 ай бұрын

And also prevent the killing fields in Cambodia due to making the rise of Khmer Rouge not only possible, but a fact.

This guy was actually a reactor before making his own content, he reacted to many oversimplified videos and eventually decided to talk about things he cared about (as the channel named inplies) he's always been very open about his inspiration on oversimplified, tbh i don't think copying the style is a bad thing, he is still doing his own research, writing, editing and animations and it's turning out great!

@jilliansmaniotto2326

4 ай бұрын

I wish he would at least not use the same exact accent music/sound effects. that makes it a bit more icky to me. there’s certainly a way to do a loving tribute without quite going this far.

You can definitely tell the Oversimplified influence in the videos (almost an exact copy at times even), but the moment I started watching this video I noticed that they have started to develop their own sort of style compared to their previous videos, which I felt were a little too similar to Oversimplified. I will definitely have to keep an eye on this channel from now on! Thanks for the reaction Terry!

@Trash-bin-kicker

4 ай бұрын

You can't blame him tho, oversimplified takes forever to release a Video, in the mean time things i care about can make his followers entertained and possibly Profit from it

@zacharyknight3012

4 ай бұрын

@@Trash-bin-kickeryeah oversimplified promised us a Vietnam war video during the cold war video

@knighthunter1791

4 ай бұрын

and he always credits his videos as "Oversimplified-inspired" in case new viewers mistake him for Oversimplified.

"...Ancient history of defending against foreign inavdors..." Poland: Brother? Yes, calm down it is a joke, we both suffered because of the imperialist nations, just a different flavour, and different ideologies went to the rescue( or not).

31:47 from my understanding, the American ship “thought” the northern ship had launched a torpedo at them and missed, so they reported it to Washington who gave them permission to retaliate

17:00 The vietminh actually use their pair hand power to move the cannon to the hill (if they use truck, it could be seen and being bombed by the French, it took a long time, but it is a surprise attack at Dien Bien Phu

Appreciate all the hard work Mr Terry, love the channel! Happy to see how far this channel has come. Thank you!

When i went to Vietnam about 10yrs back. They still have the car in the back ground of the famous photo of the monk imolating himself. I visited the monastary where they keep the car. If i remember right it was the monks/monastaries & the petrol he set himself on fire with came from that car.

Yes!!! Been hoping to see someone react to this channel/video, yes please part 2.

I wanted to thank you for always responding to the loss of life respectfully. Too many history channels get gleeful about victory, forgetting people died along the way. Thanks for teaching your students empathy.

If my memory serve me right, The chared heart of the buddhist monk who burned himself was preserved at a buddhist temple in Hue. His car is also on display there aswell.

I really wish you would have included the Ho quote, "You will kill many. We will kill few. In the end, we will win." I think that when you were talking about him around the 15:20 mark would have been a good place to mention it

Man you're videos are so great, it's not a question of if you should do part 2 but when will you part 2 after part 2 is released.

KEEP GOING WITH PART 2

It has been said that Ho chi Min was more so a Vietnam nationalist than a comunist and it is said if the US supported Ho Chi Min the USA could of easily convinced him to drop communism. He would of done what is best for Vietnamn

@rubenssilva6902

4 ай бұрын

He was actually a pretty big fan of the US and their relations before 1949 were pretty good, but then the virt Minh became more of a socialist movement then just a independence movement and it pushed the US to support the frenchies

I don’t have all the facts, but I’ve heard that one major frustration was that our military forces knew where the enemy was, and wasn’t allowed to go after them, for one reason or another. The idea was that the war was micromanaged. I’ve met at least one person who didn’t understand that logic, because so much bombing was done in the north. But that alone did not mean they were achieving the necessary objectives militarily.

If you have Mr. Terry reacting to your history video then you know your video is good

idk how I feel about this guy’s content style vs oversimplified. I think the art style is different enough to be considered lovingly inspired by oversimplified, but the use of the *identical* accent music and fonts seems like it rolls on past the “imitation is the sincerest form of flattery” line and lands in inappropriate copying territory. other channels have taken inspiration from oversimplified, but still made it their own, like sam o’nella, simple history, and country balls. this one gives me a bit of the ick.

I read somewhere that the declaration of independence was also based on the declaration of Arbroath in Scotland from 1320

@Demonslayer20111

4 ай бұрын

It eventually goes all the way back to the magna Carta. Pretty much all documents of that nature do

Mr terry I am in 8th grade right now and I have watched many of your videos (im aiming for all of them) I am very heavily influenced and interested in history and my school is making me learn civics getting off topic but you are my favorite KZreadr and my main source of entertainment history I am planning on being a history teacher either teaching American history or world history I don’t care if it’s high school or middle school or college I always think about it it’s my dream job and I was wondering if you could help me or tell me what it’s like to teach and if you can what it’s like to study history in college sorry about the long rant but I love you and keep doing your thing

@seanokeeffe3838

4 ай бұрын

Good for you dude. Wherever life takes you, you'll always have history as a friend. Never stop learning. Best of luck with everything.

@arnodobler1096

4 ай бұрын

Do what you love 👍

I love how much you're commenting in this video, it's like a full lecture and I never knew how messed up the French were to the Vietnamese. I'm surprised to be way more sympathetic to them now

Jeez yeah, that's very Oversimplified, even had the same pizzicato strings background music when they started talking about Ho Chi Minh 😄

@jilliansmaniotto2326

4 ай бұрын

yeeeahhhh… not sure how I feel about it tbh

18:28 this is why Dwight Eisenhower is one of the greatest military minds in history. If you have to get into ANY conflict you at least have to have an actual objective and end game. Desert Storm? get Saddam out of Kuwait, Korea? stop Kim il sung from invading the south and so on. Vietnam? Apart from communism bad did we have ANY reason to send our soldiers to die there especially after the French got their butts kicked so bad?

@Marxlikesmavs

4 ай бұрын

Korea and desert storm were both terrible and disastrous and none of our business at all, if anything once again, the US caused their invasions. Those aren’t justifiable at all. Murdering 3 million Koreans because they were tired of US backed fascists in the south imprisoning and massacring by the hundreds of thousands, anyone would try to save their other half.

Anti-communism was certainly the main thing holding back the US from helping Ho Chi Minh but it probably wasn't the only thing. In that era, while it wasn't as central as it used to be, one of the guiding principles of American imperialism in the late 19th and early 20th centuries was that non-white people were less advanced and not capable of running their own democratic republics. When Truman was a teen, that was one of the central justifications for the US keeping the former Spanish colonies after the war. He must have grown up hearing about how brown people needed foreign guidance to prepare them for independence. While he never got stationed in The Philippines, he served in the National Guard during the Moro Rebellion, one of the United States' longest and most forgotten wars, which was a failed national liberation war against the US. When he was a Senator, The Philippines was going through the final stages of the preparation for release as a US colony. It probably influenced his decision to help France, a country that had a very rocky history keeping its own democratic republics running. If it didn't influence him personally, it probably helped convince others that he was right. I'm using equivocal language on this because it is very hard to find solid information about it. Everything focuses on anti-communism, since that was the main thing, but the racism element of foreign policy was a constant in the background of American politics through most of Truman's life prior to his Presidency, including during his schooling and military service, so he was definitely exposed to it. It likely had some influence one way or the other on him and certainly on those around him.

I admit, I actually like this channel more than Oversimplified.

It's the FF7 boss music for me.... great vid! Def gonna give them a follow!

Nooo terry where’s your signature hat 😂😂

I was under the impression that the US didn’t want either France or Vietnam to come out on top because of the official alliance with France and the official stance against colonialism, so some thing was done to allow for the rebellion as well, until it became more communist. I don’t remember where I was getting all of that, so I’m not sure.

If the Korean War ended after the first year, either at the 38 parallel or with full victory, I could totally see Eisenhower supporting France in Indochina well before things got so dire.

If you don’t own land you can get land cheap. Theres like 25-50 acre plots in vermont for 50k-100k. A bank will give you a loan if you have a solid plan and permits. All you have to do is buy it divide it and sell it by the acre.

This channel recently announced they’re changing their art style to be a bit less of an oversimplified clone. Shows a lot of promise

In Vietnam we have a saying: "Nothing is more valuable than independence and freedom"

Can I recommend some videos from the fat electrician the bunker busting bomb that ended desert storm, the M50 antos “the thing” and the greatest attack jet you’ve never heard of

It's really hard to say punt or fight in the moment, we have the value of hindsight. All war is bad, but some war is necessary.

I ain't no fortunate son

Once the tv came into play and everyone saw the real horrors that ended all support

I shouldn't laugh that hard, but the burnt monk with its surprised eyes is absolutely hilarious and takes all seriousness away from the scene.

heck yeah

If reading Marx and such came with a banging soundtrack, I'd be reading more of their stuff.

I love the "fun" fact about the death penalty.

5:46-Additional Fun Fact - Sir Christopher Lee witnessed the last execution by guillotine. That man truly lived a fascinating life.

Hell yeah

Guerillia warfare was also more or less how the US Rebellion beat the British, or how Afghanistan beat the Russians, and the US in the end, it will always be how a smaller force defeats a larger/more well equipped one, and it's weird that even after it being how empires have fallen since the start of empires we've not learned that.

Rage Against the Machine's first album cover is of the monk who self-immolated. Goes hard.

5:39 you didn’t mention the best fact, sir Christopher Lee, count dooku himself witnessed this last execution by guillotine

@luishernandezsoto

4 ай бұрын

Plus the year that the Guillotine last use was in 1977. The same year that first Star Wars movie is released just by a few months apart I believe.

My partner’s grandfather was a loadmaster and died from handling agent orange during the war.

an fyi TICA has been experimenting on a new art style :D

Ohh, that's our Wilson all right

I did my 11th grade chemistry report on agent orange and everything Mr Terry says is TRUE.

Gotta wonder whats scarier. The trees speaking Vietnamese, or the snow speaking Finnish?

@SCP_Wandsman13_13

4 ай бұрын

The dust speaking Polish.

Keep going please and also check out some of the other things he made

On MacArthur; he was an egotistical psychopath and ive ALWAYS been a huge critic of him. He was never a good general, he was kind of just who we had and he got hundreds of thousands of good soldiers and marines killed because of his ego.

You should check out History with Seb, his Channel is small but is just like Oversimplified! Simple and Nice. Also check out the Philippine-American war

OverSimplified: there's gonna be a tax for that

Only reason i'm okay with TICA doing an Oversimplified version of Vietnam is because I doubt we'll get an actual Oversimplified video on Vietnam any time soon.

We know things about cancer and stuff from Agent Orange and Napalm, but they werent aware of those long term effects back then, were they?

Jim morrisons father was part of gulf of tonkin

Thomas Paine was an influence in the American set up. I think more than Locke.

well i officially know more about this now and i didnt realize that the US was the "bad guy" in this war. i get that there were tensions during the time with communist regimes but i would have just let Vietnam become 1 country

I watched the original video last night, or earlier this morning as I am a night owl, lol. From the sounds of it Ho Chi Min, wasn't really a bad guy, and Americas only problem was that he was a "red". I hate how the agreed upon elections didn't happen and things weren't resolved peacefully, because the leader of south Vietnam and the U.S knew who was most-likely to win and it wasn't them, funny how the U.S that promotes democracy, didn't want democracy to happen, even though it was going to be overseen by 3 other nations. I always thought the Vietnam war was but, but now understanding what led up to it, and why it happened, I really see how this was all America's doing just for ideological reasons and not moral ones, at all. Bad America, bad.

Oversimplified seeing competition: “Imma punish you severely.”

@zacharyknight3012

4 ай бұрын

Oversimplified promised us a Vietnam war video like 3 years ago

It is not confirmed that it was a false flag operation (Vietnam war)? The Gulf of Tonkin incident was a misunderstanding or a miscommunication?

The thing is wasn’t MacArthur in support of using strategic nukes on large formations of Chinese soldiers? That was my understanding? And while perhaps extreme, it doesn’t seem far of from how other thought of nukes. Some thought it would become a common weapon in some form. So while people like to knock MacArthur, for 50s ideas he was extreme or perhaps excessive but not fanatical or insane as people imply today. It was kinda common early 50s thinking. What was shocking was how he stuck to his guns on it enough to be removed by the president which was basically the end of him in public. He was basically vaporized in that moment.

7:08 no shit. That's what made Italy an axis in WW2.

Fun fact: Christopher Lee attended the last public guillotine execution in France in 1939.

This guy has another channel.

If oversimplified cared(I don’t think he does) he could define you sue this man for copyright infringement. I hope he’s not bothered because I don’t think it affects OS

I watched the documentary films of all three Vietnam War. Soldier testimony: anyone carrying radio dies first. Military maps show coordinates for artillery and you must die first. Weapons of the Soviet in battle of the middle east were seized easy but Soviet weapons in the hand of Vietnamese 6,575 U.S. warplanes down. Despite American studies well - years before operation of linebacker II. You make a radar jammer our radar. We use Rz-2 of WW2. Asked the USAF did you see the wave of old radar. We don't play with old weapons. That's it B-52 down one by one because old radar guidelines for SA2/SA75 made in 1950. Matter in history books of 193 countries and the world seen in museums in Hanoi. Indian used Mig21 snuck through radar of Pakistan. War of Vietnam ended and the world has seen Vietnamese people in NASA (.gov) Google. MiG21 of Indian shot down F16 because Indian people in NASA (.gov). Google. M21 made in 1950 shot down supersonic jets made in 1990 to present. Proven human beat machine. Vietnamese do math very well and when humans can't realize on the machines to win. You done with Vietnamese army.

Yeah uncle Ho was definitely a nationalist first, communist second.

He is the German version of Oversimplified

@Kralchen

4 ай бұрын

He's from Chile

My grandpa was affected by agent orange

Americans like democracy within their borders, and the rest of the world exists to serve them that's what I'm learning from this

Did you see the MICHELIN Man in the background?

9:37 meanwhile Yugoslavia:

Let's clarify a little: French Indochina was a colony (Cochinchina), and 5 protectorates (Annam, Tonkin, Cambodia, Laos and a piece of China). The maps in this video are fake. My father was a young lieutenant during that war and fought in Hue and Laos. This is not some kind of war of the South against the North....

Vietnam beat the USA in a war. Crazy to think the US wasn't the strongest military in the world at the time of the Vietnam War. So many young American men died in a pointless war

Thank you. Yes they did Florida born and raised. You can’t teach any negative thing about slavers. The reason my pos gov said was it make white kids feel bad. That’s bad lmao. If your forget history you repeat it. I now not this video. But you rock. Glad I found your channel!

hello

@Snake_Puppet

4 ай бұрын

Oh cool am first(Finally...)

❤ hoàng sa trường sa là của Việt Nam

Hindsight is always 20-20. Unless you are a conspiracy theorist.

I hate how we treated Vietnam

No

If i want your front yard and backyard, i got a million way to get it.❤🎉😊

America! F YEAH! coming again to save the MFn day yeah! Yeah i caught it! Lol

Hue Massacre.

Plus I’m white

Is there any videos about how socialism, communism and marxism became so popular today among young college educated democrats? Im worried about this.

@Marxlikesmavs

4 ай бұрын

Democrats are not anywhere near Marxists, socialists, communists, I promise they’d be disgusted you called them something like liberal or democract

@jilliansmaniotto2326

4 ай бұрын

🙄 have you considered listening to the people you are sO wOrRiEd aBoUt?

@joseph0808

4 ай бұрын

@@jilliansmaniotto2326 i have. And i know its a bad path. Not just my opinion but every time in history it ends up with millions dead.

@statmc8357

2 ай бұрын

The main reason i believe it has the popularity it is, becaus its different then what these students live in (capitalism) Thats my theory.

Vietnam could have been the America of Asia!!! Like Israel is kinda the America of the Middle East. We screwed that up bad!!!

You lost me at the title of the video. As a history teacher, surely you MUST know that Vietnam was a Conflict, Congress never declared it a war. Once again.... Rewriting history. The really sad thing is that.. I am an immigrant, I know this, and seemingly you don't. Shame on you for calling yourself a teacher. A programmer is more like it! Bending little minds to the will of their corporate masters.😮

You heard an American man set himself on fire to Protest again the Vietnam war ?