Edgar Ross had the most poetic of deaths: Jack met him by a river and Jack kills him by a river. Ross basically ruined the boy's life yet 110% never saw it coming.

@Fizhy

24 күн бұрын

It’s a beautiful end

@LFPman

24 күн бұрын

I’d like to think all the players who played Red Dead 1 first, were laughing maniacally when Ross leaves saying “Enjoy your fishing, kid”

@planderlinde1969

24 күн бұрын

Or funny enough had Ross just left John alone Jack would have probably become a normal member of society. By killing John Ross only completed the visious circle turning Jack into the one thing his parents didn't want him to be and the one thing he sought to destroy. A vengeful outlaw who would prove to be his ultimate downfall.

@travisswann9603

24 күн бұрын

Both while fishing too

@thisguy8106

24 күн бұрын

​@@travisswann9603Ross is duck hunting.

Jack definitely should've said "enjoy your fishing" after shooting Ross lol

@Fizhy

24 күн бұрын

He was shooting ducks though tbf

@Grandpa113

23 күн бұрын

"enjoy your ducking while you still can old man"

@jaymac7203

23 күн бұрын

@@Fizhy Not anymore. He was feeding the fish lol

@josiahgonzalez942

22 күн бұрын

Really? They changed it in RDR? ​@@jaymac7203

@jonpilledsingledad

10 күн бұрын

​@@Fizhyeven better "checkmate" "but we're playing batgammo-" *shoots him in the head*

Milton was right for what he did, Ross was just an outlaw with a badge. If it was Milton instead of Ross in RdR1, I'm certain John would have been left alone if being constantly monitored for a while (parole, basically). Ross was genuinely just vindictive and used any excuse he could to do what he wanted.

@Edax_Royeaux

22 күн бұрын

Milton was dealing with a Dutch that was less unhinged. As Dutch became more ruthless and violent, the detective agency followed suit.

@SirDankleberry

22 күн бұрын

Milton shot an unarmed old man who was already arrested and fired a Gatling gun into a building where he knew innocent women and a child were. He's worse than most of the gang, the difference is he works for the govenment and gets away with his crimes.

@80VAIN08

16 күн бұрын

I think shooting a young woman in the head for a chance to escape after killing a bunch of Pinkertons was considered pretty unhinged. Still Milton risked his life when he walked into the gang's camp to avoid killing anyone but Dutch. I doubt Ross would have done that.

@Edax_Royeaux

16 күн бұрын

@@80VAIN08 Well Dutch does the same thing in RDR1, only it's clear he's embraced the insanity. Absolutely clear Dutch is totally beyond reason at that point.

@80VAIN08

16 күн бұрын

@@Edax_Royeaux I agree with you when it comes to Dutch's character, what I meant was that from an outsider perspective especially in the eyes of those trying to bring him down, he was always seen as a deranged killer, if anything rdr2's Dutch was probably seen as a lot more unpredictable and dangerous. I think Ross wouldn't have hesitated to take Arthur and Jack hostage or slaughter everyone in the camp

i love the sarcasm in Fizhys voice when he says "that sounds like a lovely retirement i sure hope nothing bad happens to him and then it immediatly cuts to adult jack marston meeting Ross

Some Fizhy RDR Lore is what I need right now..

@Fizhy

24 күн бұрын

@robertlafrance9974

24 күн бұрын

@@Fizhy❤

@trueseattleite6958

24 күн бұрын

You're so right

@Yes-Bean

24 күн бұрын

More like rdr1 Lore but I agree

@AlqhemyA

22 күн бұрын

@@trueseattleite6958 The Strokes reference???

using a man's wife and kid as blackmail is another realm of evil

@LFPman

24 күн бұрын

I wonder if it was a take on how some governments operate…not being specific on the country. But it could be possible.

@cjclark1208

24 күн бұрын

Government is the worst mafioso.

@Samsonig

24 күн бұрын

that man is a former outlaw who killed for a living he might be reformed yes but that doesnt excuse the potential thousands he killed

@Barbarian1244

23 күн бұрын

​Fair enough but also you still have to put yourself in Marston's shoes you wouldn't like it if someone used your immediate family as blackmail against you and yes it is fair to call Marston out for his past offenses but is it also not an immoral offense for Ross to use John's immediate family as Blackmail against him despite John's past offenses point is there are plenty of other ways Ross could have gotten John to turn against his former partners in crime then using his family as Blackmail.​@@Samsonig

@Yes-Bean

22 күн бұрын

That is literally what criminals do

While Ross being in 2 is fan service, it also serves the purpose of getting the player to think like Arthur and distrust Milton and his deal, considering the deal made in Red Dead Redemption 1 panning out like it did.

@TheFanFoundation

23 күн бұрын

Plus it makes hs death more poetic with Jack being there.

Andrew Milton can best be described as having a dividing mindset while Edgar Ross has a conquering one. This lore fuels the reputation of these products so thank you Fizhy!

Jack Martson:"U killed my father prepare to die."

To this day, I still wonder why John was getting off a boat at the beginning of RDR1.

@jamescpapg

24 күн бұрын

Me too. If you find the answer, let me know as well.

@Itsnothing389

24 күн бұрын

Maybe he just come back from Canada or South america after killing Charles or Sadie, and he doesn't mention them because of deep regret and anger towards himself. Just a theory, but its possible, john mentions how there is nothing left of the gang so...yeah.

@jamescpapg

24 күн бұрын

@@Itsnothing389 I do not think that's true since Red Dead Redemption came before Red Dead Redemption 2. Unless Rockstar Games had already created those two characters, then I believe that John was simply captured somewhere else and returned to Blackwater to begin his mission to hunt down Javier, Bill and Dutch.

@Itsnothing389

24 күн бұрын

@@jamescpapg awesome the conversation has started. R* can use Sadie or Charle as an excuse to why John come in a boat if ever there is gonna be a red dead 3. Like I said just a fan theory. But what u said is interesting where do u think John came from in the opening scene from rdr1?

@TonyG8992

24 күн бұрын

Probably coming from Saint Denis, maybe the law had his family over there first.

"Hope You Enjoyed Your Hunting Old Man."

@OMGSECK

15 күн бұрын

Ross:enjoy your fishing kid Marston:enjoy your duck hunting old man

Ross is far worse than Milton. Imagine if he Milton was killed early, at the Jack fishing or at Horseshoe Overlook. Imagine Arthur dealing with Ross more. Kidnapping his ex wife….

@elderliddle2733

24 күн бұрын

Ex wife was dead before that. If you’re referring to Mary Linton, she’s Arthur’s ex girlfriend, they were never married. She married another guy, but he died. That’s why she was living in that house in Valentine. As a widow, she couldn’t yet inherit properties from her dead husband.

@johnnysilvercloud4470

23 күн бұрын

@@elderliddle2733 ah yes. Still, if Ross kidnapped her, that’s a radically different game we get

@cosmonauthal7651

18 күн бұрын

A lot of innocent people would probably still be alive if Dutch didn’t get the benefit of Milton’s mercy but just the wraith of Ross, if we look at this senerio from the perspective of outside the game.

Ugh love the parallelism. An armed Edgar Ross meets a somewhat helpless Jack while hes out fishing, then the next time they meet an armed Jack marston meets a somewhat helpless Edgar while hes out fishing

Fizhy video drop when I'm having a bad day? Just what I needed. My mood immediately improved!

@Fizhy

24 күн бұрын

Hope the rest of your day gets better!

33:40 No I doubt Edgar Ross claimed credit for killing Dutch. The whole point of getting John's gun to do it was so that it looked like Dutch was betrayed by a fellow gang member so Dutch wouldn't be some anti-government martyr for yet more people to rally around. Ross still gets credit for spearheading the operation that wiped out Dutch's Tall Trees Gang.

There a line that nobody ever talks about that I always found interesting that is your father killed him self with the life he lived which makes me think did he really believe this and believe all his actions were justified

From any point of view except the protagonists, Edgar Ross is the good guy. It’s just that we always play an outlaw and he’s very much a lawman. Dutch killed that innocent girl and caused a massacre in Blackwater, and John took the gold the only thing left for Ross to chase after.

@JoeVington

19 күн бұрын

None of them are good people though, especially not Dutch or Ross or Milton

@cosmonauthal7651

18 күн бұрын

That is how Rockstar wrote the story with this point of view just they made the gang members so god damn likable everyone calls them the hero’s lol.

@simoneidson21

4 күн бұрын

@@cosmonauthal7651You are aware of an anti-hero right? High Honor John and Arthur are anti-heroes

@simoneidson21

4 күн бұрын

Edgar Ross is far more evil than any gang member except Micah. I don’t give a fuck if they stole from rich assholes who can afford it, the gang had good intentions

@cosmonauthal7651

4 күн бұрын

@@simoneidson21 no they are straight up bad guys who are the protagonist objectively speaking.

Really, Ross represents the brilliance of the writing in RDR. Just about every character straddles the line of morality and thus, perception of the these characters is determined largely by the player and their actions. If you play the game honorably, then Ross is a straight villain. No questions asked. However, if you play the game with low honor, basically having John resume the life of a violent outlaw, then suddenly Ross becomes sympathetic. It’s a shame that morale ambiguity has to be ruined by RDR2. The lack of detail regarding what John did as part of the gang made the plot of RDR better.

Edgar ross is evil. The morally gray one is milton. He didn't take Arthur because jack was there and he gave Dutch ample time to surrender in chapter 3. But he shot at them in lakay knowing jack was there, and took abigal hostage. Overall he was as good as his job allowed him to be though

@maxrocketansky

8 күн бұрын

Milton is evil too.

@RhadaGhast100

7 күн бұрын

Milton was evil as well. If you know anything about the history of the Pinkertons than its clear as day. That and Milton did do things that would he considered illegal in his trade, such as kidnapping Abigail. He was also willing to mow down the whole gang at the start of chapter 6 with a machine gun, knowing full well that there were women and children in there.

7:56 they literally explain why in the epiloge why he decided to settle there. Abigal took jack and left because she didn't want john doing the outlaw thing again. She said how she wanted to have her own ranch at a place called beechers hope during one of the epiloge missions before she left. So john remembered her saying that and tried to win her back by getting the property she told him about

@ashdondabbs7483

23 күн бұрын

i mean, yeah. the actual semantic reason for “why” is clear, it’s the logic that’s confusing. what would make john (or even abigail, for that matter) believe that would be a good idea given their history in the area? yanno?

@zcarecro

23 күн бұрын

@@ashdondabbs7483 because the story wouldn't happen otherwise

@Edax_Royeaux

22 күн бұрын

"BANK LOANS? I got a goddamn price on my head, woman!" - John Marston This Marston fellow makes a good point.

@ashdondabbs7483

20 күн бұрын

@@zcarecro it seems like you’re misunderstanding what i’m trying to say here. the question is with their in game logic. think of it like this: if you lived john’s life(it isn’t a video game, it’s yr actual life), what would compel you to live just outside the town you committed one of yr most notorious robberies in? why would you risk that? does that seem like a good idea to you? even if abigail is ignoring the past, would you not feel weary making that move?

@zcarecro

20 күн бұрын

@ashdondabbs7483 dude relax im not a game dev i dont have a concrete reason for it

He works at 7/11 now i saw him last week

The thing I found ironic about the ending's of RDR1 and RDR2. Both of the main antagonist's deaths were brought about because they went 1 step too far. This is assuming the high honor, go with john, is the canon ending of RDR2. But, if Micah didn't go back to beat Arthur and try to kill him. John would've never gone back to kill Micah. If Edgar Ross just left John and his family alone after the death of Dutch, Ross would've retired in peace. But he had to kill John to complete his line of work. Which ultimately would lead to his own death at the hands of the very child he caused so much pain towards. Jack would've never became a gunslinger if Ross didn't push the matter further. Also, John would've remained in hiding, if Micah didn't go back to kill Arthur. Both individuals let their ego's get the best of them and it resulted in their death's.

@iceman1287

24 күн бұрын

Realistically, John couldn’t have been able to be in hiding for so long because he lives right next to the very city his gang shot up. Not to mention that he bought his land from there under his real name.

Always a great day when fizhy uploads

@Fizhy

24 күн бұрын

Thank you kindly

The missions with ross in rdr1 are pretty enjoyable. To listen to john and ross hating eachother through conversation was really fun to listen to

I'm so happy you opened the video with Exodus to America, both the song and mission. Nostalgia strong

3:30 I always found this scene very interesting and symbolic in a way. Jack Marston and Edgar Ross first meeting involved fishing by a river and ended the same way when Jack went after Ross.

“Enjoy your fishing kid” Aged Well You know John could’ve killed Ross at any point or time but I guess that wouldn’t make sense

I love these looks back at the history of the game and the gorgeous scenery during exposition.

Your video quality gets better and better every single video i watch❤

He is just an upgrade version of agent Milton. Milton was bad guy trying to do the right thing on the dishonorable and stubborn way, Ross was just evil. He used John and at the end he just got rid of him. He did what Milton could only wish for.

@nicoffee777

23 күн бұрын

Don't know bout the last one. It's not like Milton is just a less evil version of Ross, Milton even offered the gang members a way out more than once whilst Ross just fucks them over after using them (seeing John in RDR1) One of them has a (complex) understanding of morals, whilst the other one is as evil as Micah was with like no redeeming qualities whatsoever

@LowRedemptionCoyote

23 күн бұрын

@@nicoffee777Milton offered chance to a gang just once at Clemens Point and that was it. Don’t count opportunity that he gave Arthur. And that was more or less just because he wanted job to be done with minimum effort. He didn’t care about anyone. And moral of Ross and Milton is the same. At least the basic of their morality is the same. Milton worked for pay check and Ross worked for the medal. And yes Milton is less evil version of Ross. Shooting unarmed man in the back, shoot out at Lakay with kid inside the cabin and kiddnaping kid mother are not honorable and good things. And one thing more. If you’re an outlaw would you take opportunity from the man who in the same breath telling you that “We didn’t kill all the savages, just so the likes of you could do whatever you want!”. I know I wouldn’t believe him the word he said. And not to mention his superior attitude. Like is the messiah of lost souls and their savior. He was acting like he didn’t saw any criminal in his life. You can win against criminal just with proper psychology or your efforts are for nothing.

@Edax_Royeaux

22 күн бұрын

@@nicoffee777 A little far calling Ross as evil as Micah. I didn't see Ross murdering children.

Blackmailing a former outlaw who is trying to erase the past then killing him afterwards is another form of pure evil 😭

It is he

@JaredGoofball

24 күн бұрын

He is it?

@JoeVington

24 күн бұрын

@@JaredGoofballis he?

@cavedweller420

24 күн бұрын

​@@JoeVingtonHe?

@LowRedemptionCoyote

24 күн бұрын

Yup he is.

Hearing this at work and even just audio, the whole scene of John's death just played in my head

your videos are so damn good, great work! i love your dedication to lore

Thanks for putting out more rdr2 stuff. It keeps me going mate

Ill tell you, ive been following your channel since the assassins creed days and these videos truly take the cake for me. Love the RDR lore videos, keep up the good work.

I have no idea how you make such increidbly detailed videos so frequently. Your editing and writing is funny, insightful, and a real treat for me to come home to and enjoy. Thank you Fizhy. :)

I still replay RDR2 and try different methods of going about doing it. I appreciate this channel for the countless hours of content and investigation of several things regarding the game. I personally use these videos when I replay in order to find things in certain chapters that I didn't know about. Thank YOU Fizhy

Fuckin love this channel; keeping the RDR story alive.

I have been really enjoying the Red Dead Redemption 1 content lately

Ross deserved a lot worse. I wonder if it was intentional double speak from Ross when he says he will get a medal and John get a medal too (lead).

Haven't watched this all the way through yet but I find it incredibly fitting that the bureau outfit in rdr1 allows you to do anything you want, legal or not considering the ruthlessness Edgar Ross and lack of moral fibre

I believe Ross intentionally left out Dutch’s name, then once John followed orders he changed the deal to include Dutch. He can’t be sure of John’s loyalty to Dutch since John followed him all of those years. Ross is slowing leveraging John while using John’s family as collateral to ensure he follows orders.

He's lawful evil.

Love these videos! Great story telling, informative and brilliantly edited.

Ross is the Textbook definition of mundanity of evil. If you had a less skilled writer; Ross would have been some middle man that John would have Buried almost immediately and made the main antagonist a nine foot tall monster of a man with mountains of muscle. Yet here's Ross; Short, portly and gratting voice. He looks like a turn of a century office clerk. Some one you'd bumb into while going about your day and not think twice about him. Ross knows he the smartest and most sinister in the room and uses his badge as a public servant to get away with his sociohopathic tendencies.

Loving the consistency right now mate.

I'm addicted to watching your red dead redemption 2 videos,I've watched all of them now lol,would love to see more videos.. I love them!!

Yess I've been waiting for you to cover about edgar ross!

That was amazing fizhy, really well done, i enjoyed that a lot

Always top notch RDR videos from Fizhy.

Can never get enough of the RDR opening, magnificent.

Another thing linking the Strange Man to John is that during John's second encounter with him in Mexico, he mentions that the law will judge him (something along those lines, i forgot the exact phrasing), and of course, predicting his final resting place on the hill at Beecher's Hope.

Best Red Dead video so far! Well done!

8:51 As satisfying as RDR2's ending is it gets sad when you realise John's doomed himself.

Bro I just put my friend on red dead 2 for his first time yesterday im watching him play and I just love everyone’s reaction to this beautiful game so glad u posted this red dead is one of those games u can’t stop thinking about

Thank you for your content it helps alot and it's really good love you man

Milton looks like Roland Tembo From Jurassic Park 2

During my first playthrough I stayed at the bank and killed countless Pinkerton agents , over 150-200 or more for sure , emptying barrel after barrel , couldn’t leave Hosea in the street like that I was looking for revenge but couldn’t kill Pinkerton agents with enough variant way to satisfy that desire About all the scene in the game , this one hits different Amazing video by the way , Fizhy !

I made up a journal that fills in the gaps from 1899 to 1914 Needless to say he highly respected his partner Got obsessive when he died And tried to get things his way And fought alot of resistance By the end he wanted to get away from his wife Do alot of trips like Mexico Its quite an interesting read....if I ever write it

The first head/face of the FBI was J. Edgar Hoover... Edgar Ross, Coincidence? I think not 🤔

If the story was from Ross's perspective he would've been seen as a hero.

@petermj1098

21 күн бұрын

lol Ross insulting and threatening John’s family is not heroic lol

I loved the ending of RDR1 where Jack Marston said: "I enjoyed my fishing Mr. Ross." and did a backflip before beating him to death with a fishing rod.

Only person that can milk something and keep it quality

Villain all the way. Even with the differing views on how to live, there is no doubt in my mind Ross enjoyed everything he did to John and the wider gang while a junior with the Pinkertons.

I think the real commentary is this video’s existence - the fact that we see a man who facilitated the killing of four mass murderers as a villain. Edgar Ross was a hero. We just don’t see him that way because we play as the real villains of the Red Dead universe - the ruthless murderers, thieves, and outlaws of the Van der Linde Gang. Because no matter how idealistic Dutch tried to spin it, that’s what they were.

fordham really is one of the best background characters ever written notice how he wasn’t at the murder of john

Milton was more reasonable than ross

Amazing video

36:17 As much of an ass as Milton was he was just doing his job in trying to stop a criminal gang. But Ross forced John, who'd put his past behind him to go after Bill, Javier and Dutch by holding Abigail and Jack hostage then had John killed anyway.

never put the fishing reference together before, awesome.

Man this video was fantastic

Oi oi get in son

It was Milton! He had a bad influence on Edgar as I think he was new to the group and followed him everywhere.

"First of all you're throwing too many big words at me and since I don't understand I'm gonna take them as disrespect".....if you know you know 😂😂

@invisibleman686

22 күн бұрын

40 year old virgin....a person of culture I like that

Im a simple man, i see Fizhy, i click

To be fair to Ross, the bureau has never been about stopping crime just managing it.

Great video.

Ross: Everyone will eventually pay for what they've done That includes you sir

You just know how to do great content!

Edger talking about a last fishing trip is very satisfying ❤ .. jack agrees

I think someone can be evil while doing good things, and I think that is what Ross is. A bad and sadistic person, a worse version of the already sadistic and bad Milton, whom does good things, such as stopping active criminals via utlizing John to do so. He is also of the view of Law and Order the show, which I think would frame Ross as ok in what he is doing.

2:50 am I tripping or something is wrong with Arthur’s face???

Another Banger vid.

I mean Ross was sorta just doing his job. Spent most of his life chasing the gang. Had his work colleague an probably best friend get killed by someone in the gang.. so I mean he was sorta just doing his job. But he went after John chasing revenge, and what was always said during the game (revenge is a fools game) Ross went after revenge and eventually died because of it… just like jack, he went after revenge and killed ross, and it will probably come back to him in the future an cost him his life too.

@petermj1098

21 күн бұрын

Ross is no different than Abraham Reyes. They say they are doing this for justice but they are only doing it for fame and fortune. Reyes is just another dictator despite defeating Allende and Ross is just another thug despite defeating Dutch.

Yes! Keep the Rockstar lore videos coming 😊

What I've always found compelling about Edgar Ross as a villain is that you don't need to shift the perspective that much at all for him to be the hero. Yes, abducting Abigail and Jack to force John's cooperation is wrong, but think about it; how many times have we seen in media where the law enforcer "gets their hands dirty" and has to rough someone up who arguably doesn't deserve it in order to catch the real bad guy? And we all go "Man, that's badass, this guy cares more about getting the job done than about stupid rules!" And it works so well, especially in the first game, as even though he says that he's "the bad guy" for enforcing the rules, he knows that at the end of the day, the people like the rules because the rules keep them safe. Therefore, we're taught and reinforced that those who uphold the rules are the "good guys" in society. Think about how different the experience would be if you played through the first Red Dead as Ross's protege, a young agent in training? He sees the detective work, the tracking down criminals, the use of their own tactics against them. He'd be presented as the classic older, rougher, grizzled veteran of the force showing the new kid what you have to do to get results, we've seen it time and again because it works. And yet, because the story is told from John Marston's point of view, we see Ross for what he really is; a cruelly pragmatic glory seeker who knows how to get results through the ruthless efficiency that makes us hate him. It's such a fascinating subversion of the norm and it's what makes Ross such a compelling character despite having so little screen time in the game.

It seems apparent that what Edgar Ross REALLY is, ultimately, is a projection of those conscienceless twits who are on the outside looking in of what they imagine that a given person is or what they will them to be due to the effect they would have upon someone/thing like them. The speech that Ross makes in which he says that without something to step in on behalf of the innocent, life would be a matter of someone with a gun being able to do whatever injustice he willed unto another is NOT something that would just be said for the sake of it, but because it is not only the truth, but a truth only a conscientious person would likely ever arrive at.

People tend to forget that Ross' job was to hunt monsters and use a monster to hunt the rest of the clan. The Van Der Line Gang's reputation was infamous. Why would Ross deal with ex-members of that gang in a human manner?

I actually liked milton. He was a respectable agent, but edgar ross is a true example of someone who wasn't fit for the badge. A man who took pleasure in torment, and involving people who weren't guilty, like using John's family as leverage, and holding them hostage. Milton did snap near the end, but he was fair. He gave people a chance to turn themselves in, and only then, began to execute the gang

Couldn’t you wait until 1-2am uk time to drop this 😫😂

Best early birthday gift ever

Hero or villain? We're asking questions like that about people who would have murdered Jack and Abigail!?

Aye Fizhy do you have any idea why John was on a boat head towards Blackwater, since he live near blackwater ?

"Babe, come over." "Fizhy just uploaded a new rdr lore video" "But my parents aren't home" "Did I fucking stutter?"

Milton and ross' hairline is wild💀🙏

We need a Edgar Ross vs John fury match

@fartass8299

24 күн бұрын

Lmao 😂

but ross had the job done and who cares about his intentions if he served his country well yet it led him to his death at the hands of jack could have he avoided that fate? he had a dangerous job

“Enjoy your fishing, kid…while you still can!” “Enjoy not be riddled with bullets…while you still can.” “…what?” “What?”

I'm really looking forward to the pc port of the first game