The Ups and Downs of Headless Guitars - Gear Gods

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Headless guitars have a lot to consider - what are the pros and cons? Trey lays it all out for you!
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  • @treyxaviermusic
    @treyxaviermusic6 жыл бұрын

    Did I miss any?

  • @eidetecker

    @eidetecker

    6 жыл бұрын

    My main reason for preferring headess is the incredible sustain and precision tension. I also have it on a custom Moses Graphite neck-through 6 string bass, so the harmonic clarity, ridiculous sustain, and spot on tension make Jack NOT a dull boy. Physics, man. Physics is so sweet. Headless for sure.

  • @dougc84

    @dougc84

    6 жыл бұрын

    Ergonomics: You didn't really touch on anything except for weight and neck dive. Ergonomics has to do with correct posture. Yes, weight and having to pull against the neck certainly has to do a lot with it, but things like how the neck helps (or hurts!) your hand position, how it feels when you're sitting with it (do you have to lean over or can you sit comfortably and upright), and access of controls (getting to your knobs, tuners, etc.) are ergonomic-related. While, again, weight does have bearing here, it's not everything. A Strandberg is going to be more ergonomic than, say, a Kiesel - not because they're better, but because they were designed with that in mind. Lastly, the Parker Fly (in its original form, not the bastardized cheap models US Music put out before destroyed their company), a great guitar WITH a headstock and standard tuning machines, was built around ergonomic principles - lightweight (wood w/ carbon fiber mix, weighing in at 5 lbs.), better access to higher frets due to extreme contours, and great knob positioning. So it's not all about being headless for ergonomics. Downsides: Playing a headless guitar makes people think two things - you're either an extreme metalhead, or you're stuck in the 80's and "did you say Steinberger?" (nope). That's not a problem if you're in a modern prog metal band or one that covers 80's songs. But, as primarily a post-rock/post-hardcore/ambient player that plays a Strandberg 8 string, I get a lot of "WTF are you playing? That's not a Tele!" looks. I don't care because they don't know just *how good* the guitar feels and plays, but, if you're trying to paint a brand image for yourself and your band, things can get tricky. Heck, I had a friend that had to go out and buy a 4-string bass because their band's publicist said his 6-string bass "didn't fit the image of the band."

  • @ramirezrulon

    @ramirezrulon

    6 жыл бұрын

    Gear Gods take it junior college word of the day was paramount.....

  • @blakekillganon846

    @blakekillganon846

    6 жыл бұрын

    Gear Gods I agree with the ergonomics point. Headless guitars really encourage proper seated playing that is very helpful to posture.

  • @isnajiaffarjanjalani7445

    @isnajiaffarjanjalani7445

    6 жыл бұрын

    NO FLOYDS on the headless right?

  • @rwl6935
    @rwl69356 жыл бұрын

    Bodiless guitars are lighter and shorter.

  • @Heybuditsme

    @Heybuditsme

    6 жыл бұрын

    rwl6935 is anyone making a nice one? The Anygig guitar kinda sucks but I would love a high quality version. You might have been being sarcastic but I don't care

  • @rwl6935

    @rwl6935

    6 жыл бұрын

    J Baron yeah, I was just trying to be funny.

  • @MrQuestionMark246

    @MrQuestionMark246

    6 жыл бұрын

    The Gittler Guitar: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZJl5pI-veszJj9I.html

  • @aidancarpio5151

    @aidancarpio5151

    6 жыл бұрын

    chapman stick

  • @manny75586

    @manny75586

    6 жыл бұрын

    That's some true 3rd wave djent shit there. 10 string bodiless guitar.

  • @greekfreak1980
    @greekfreak19806 жыл бұрын

    When somebody gives you the ''these are toys''-argument,just tell him/her,that Allan Holdsworth,may he rest in peace,was playing headless Steinbergers and Kiesel/Carvins for decades. He actually said in an interview:''Why sould I use a more tradtional guitar,when I can use a headless model,that is more lightweight,plays easier,is easier to carry,stays better in tune and sounds just as good? I want a tool,that makes my job as a musician easier.'' Nothing else to add,the man said it perfectly.

  • @kevivtawar7716

    @kevivtawar7716

    6 жыл бұрын

    greekfreak1980 utility over aesthetics

  • @russ6541

    @russ6541

    6 жыл бұрын

    Add a space after your commas

  • @jamesonpace726

    @jamesonpace726

    5 жыл бұрын

    suchdoge - duh, Slash will never die, cuz he's tHe SaTa Nic King. Arf, arf, bluck, bluck, neighhhhh.

  • @CryThunderdarealone

    @CryThunderdarealone

    5 жыл бұрын

    That doesn't change the fact that they feel like toys. No matter who said what.

  • @LT-fn6bu

    @LT-fn6bu

    5 жыл бұрын

    I also know that an incredible bass player named Joe Raposo used a headless hohner during his younger days in RKL, Rock N Roll Nightmare era (late 80s) Those songs had fast and varied bass parts which Joe mastered to the point of even more complex improvisation, and in the live recordings from then, that bass sure as heck doesn’t sound cheap or like a toy in any way And his bass was also passive pickups, he confirmed that in an interview from back then, saying he first wished he’d bought the active version, but eventually was happy with his setup (and you can hear why) It just goes to show that from early on in the headless guitar/bass making game, the main manufacturers of them were producing with only professional quality and much higher efficiency in mind. It’s clear from the way they’re set up that the headless aspect isn't merely an aesthetic gimmick, in fact the main emphasis/advertising point was really on them being professional grade instruments, the headless aspect just falling into that idea because it eliminates extra weight and adds general efficiency

  • @avidia_music
    @avidia_music6 жыл бұрын

    Downside: more expensiive than regular guitars - Upside: Plini uses headless

  • @franklingauthier-parker7253

    @franklingauthier-parker7253

    6 жыл бұрын

    I love Plini!

  • @Mr.Goldbar

    @Mr.Goldbar

    6 жыл бұрын

    Alejandro Salinas There is that Legator headless that's about 1000$ ish

  • @Rockefeller1

    @Rockefeller1

    6 жыл бұрын

    Look at grotes, nk, big john headless guitars on Ebay. They cost anywhere between $150-350. Fairly cheap. I just bought a Big John Headless Tremolo guitar on there and I can't wait for it to come in 😁 You can upgrade the pickups afterwards and you'll get pretty damn close to a strandberg without spending $2,000

  • @avidia_music

    @avidia_music

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hey man thanks for the tip, please let me know if your purchase was worth it! ;)

  • @Rockefeller1

    @Rockefeller1

    6 жыл бұрын

    @@avidia_music Will do, man! I'm planning on doing a vlog type video unboxing, demo, reaction, upgrading the pickups, and reviewing before and after upgrading, all in one video! I might not remember to come back to this comment after I recieve the guitar so if you don't mind, subscribe to my channel so you can see my video on if it's worth it or not!

  • @RudyAyoub
    @RudyAyoub6 жыл бұрын

    Does anyone wana donate for me to get a headless? Thx lov u

  • @cubaross2361

    @cubaross2361

    4 жыл бұрын

    You have a headless allready

  • @xenounde0

    @xenounde0

    3 жыл бұрын

    He didn't when he said this

  • @venificus9824

    @venificus9824

    3 жыл бұрын

    Worked out I see

  • @markeymalarkey7614

    @markeymalarkey7614

    3 жыл бұрын

    Now by me one Rudy

  • @miskatonicuniversityavclub202

    @miskatonicuniversityavclub202

    3 жыл бұрын

    screw you rudy you have kiesels i got nothing lol just a decent schecter c1 fr s and a legator ninja 7 multiscale. i need it more so noone donate to rudy hell just make not funny vids with it. ill actually use it!

  • @Mr.Goldbar
    @Mr.Goldbar6 жыл бұрын

    Trey Xavier: "you can't get a headless Tele" 2 days later: Strandberg releases a headless Tele

  • @Jaepo33

    @Jaepo33

    4 жыл бұрын

    Djentleman Goldbar and that thing is nice!

  • @thomas.thomas

    @thomas.thomas

    3 жыл бұрын

    The thing i like about teles most are their headstock xD

  • @TheWASSUPTv

    @TheWASSUPTv

    2 ай бұрын

    I need a teadless hele

  • @StaticR
    @StaticR4 жыл бұрын

    "Feels like a toy" was how I was feeling when I first picked up a guitar after learning bass

  • @LittleRedRidingHoo
    @LittleRedRidingHoo6 жыл бұрын

    Nothing beats air guitar.

  • @dumpygoodness4086

    @dumpygoodness4086

    4 жыл бұрын

    dude, get a uke and report back here. I bet you fall in love with it.

  • @dcfromthev

    @dcfromthev

    4 жыл бұрын

    Doesn't get any lighter than that!

  • @You-wv1gi

    @You-wv1gi

    4 жыл бұрын

    Good thing everyone has an air guitar

  • @f1avory

    @f1avory

    4 жыл бұрын

    bro i can shred better than steve vai on an air guitar than he can on a real guitar

  • @aroundtheflatearth2388

    @aroundtheflatearth2388

    3 жыл бұрын

    And a mop guitar

  • @jeffreyhannifan5197
    @jeffreyhannifan51976 жыл бұрын

    You missed some stuff; The headless guitar stays in tune better. You don’t get any “string shing” from the strings above the nut. And, on a headless guitar, if the strings are not cut flush, they are extremely sharp and can cut you and your bandmates.

  • @aleatoriac7356

    @aleatoriac7356

    5 жыл бұрын

    **if the strings are not cut flush, they are extremely sharp and can cut you and your** Mwa ha ha... Everybody runs when I fire up my Vader 8 :D

  • @batastrophic9762

    @batastrophic9762

    5 жыл бұрын

    I think he glossed over the the fact that broken headstocks are a prominent way for a reg electric to receive serious damage, something which is effectively negated on headless guitars. I say glossed over, because he made the joke about all Les Pauls eventually "becoming" headless, but I think it's a good talking point! Structurally more sound at the headstock than regular guitars, a real advantage.

  • @Southboundpachyderm

    @Southboundpachyderm

    4 жыл бұрын

    Fuck it hurts so bad to get poked by cut strings. That shit for some reason hurts more than getting straight up cut open.

  • @rleften5788

    @rleften5788

    4 жыл бұрын

    I find that new strings dont really have a stretching in period as well, at least for me. I put them on and they stay in tune perfectly straight away.

  • @thomas.thomas

    @thomas.thomas

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Southboundpachyderm you could put something at the end of them, a little wax ar something maybe

  • @jessegolden23
    @jessegolden235 жыл бұрын

    "you can't tune and play at the same time"(reaches down to demonstrate, discovers you can) "well you can buuuut" lol

  • @SkatePunkBanana

    @SkatePunkBanana

    3 жыл бұрын

    Or just play the string with your dominant hand and tune with the other one.

  • @Synic42
    @Synic426 жыл бұрын

    I think one major upside, which you're actually touching a bit regarding the Les Paul, is that headless guitars eliminate the largest structural weakness on the guitar, making it a much more solid instrument. How many broken headstocks and scarf joints have we seen? Not to mention the weakness created by the truss rod access. Also there's no string slippage due to an angled pressure, the string tension is completely straight.

  • @normbarrows

    @normbarrows

    3 жыл бұрын

    nohead nuts do require some break angle above the zero fret to avoid "nut buzz".

  • @andresmarino2788
    @andresmarino27885 жыл бұрын

    For downside no. 3, as odd as it may feel, it is possible to learn to use your fretting hand to pick the note as you adjust the tuning gear with your picking hand .

  • @PhillipMcKnight
    @PhillipMcKnight6 жыл бұрын

    Great video, im looking at getting a headless guitar very soon.

  • @victoriousreign

    @victoriousreign

    6 жыл бұрын

    Phillip McKnight P H I L

  • @jack8162

    @jack8162

    5 жыл бұрын

    Can't sharpen an axe with no head!

  • @majorasmask_8288

    @majorasmask_8288

    4 жыл бұрын

    i don’t even know why your comment has a lot of likes but i’ll leave one

  • @swopnilgyawali2844

    @swopnilgyawali2844

    3 жыл бұрын

    Have you got it ? Now thats 2 years gone. Have youuu?

  • @Unchainedmaple888
    @Unchainedmaple8886 жыл бұрын

    One more thing: you'll never have to worry about accidentally snapping the headstock off! Oh and it can save alot of material for the manufacturer because angled headstocks need alot of extra wood.

  • @screamstomach9043
    @screamstomach90436 жыл бұрын

    That white guitar just looks delicious idk it reminds me of a cinnamon roll

  • @gtarm5177
    @gtarm51774 жыл бұрын

    The worst downside of the headless guitar is once you get used to it, any other guitar feels like a monster log in your hand and you literally can't play "normal" guitars anymore.

  • @Danielson1818

    @Danielson1818

    2 жыл бұрын

    I've had a couple heavy guitars. (Knockoff Les Paul comes to mind). However, it's a little bit of a crybaby excuse to pretend all standard electric guitars are so heavy, and unworkable. Have you ever played an old school strat? (Joking, because pretty much everyone has). Every strat I've ever played was light as hell. That's exactly what I plan to build for my first attempt.

  • @goombizdvorakkiewicz5226

    @goombizdvorakkiewicz5226

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Danielson1818 But the sensation of weight is also partially due to neck dive, which is a serious issue you need to get deal with when playing guitar. A headless has no neck dive, thus is easier to play. It won't make you a virtuoso, but... You know... Better tool for the job.

  • @Kabz8
    @Kabz86 жыл бұрын

    Mayones Hydra. Headless guitar named after a multi-headed goddess. Sold!

  • @isaakclarkson5806

    @isaakclarkson5806

    6 жыл бұрын

    Ironic

  • @volimNestea

    @volimNestea

    6 жыл бұрын

    I hate to be that guy, but Hydra is a monster, not a goddess.

  • @Chicagosmisfit

    @Chicagosmisfit

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hydra is Not a goddess.... Its a Multiheaded mystical creature.... But still cool!!!

  • @MichaelYISRAEL
    @MichaelYISRAEL3 жыл бұрын

    Headless Guitar is an evolution of the Guitar like everything in History. I am certain that this development will be embrace eventually. If you check the history of the Guitar on KZread this actually makes sense. Thank you for sharing this video.

  • @AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE
    @AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE6 жыл бұрын

    Headless guitars look super cool and futuristic! I've always preferred the compact aesthetics of them, rather than the bulky oversized looking standard super strats and the like.

  • @AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE

    @AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@jcountry05 Yes I know.

  • @coldcode727

    @coldcode727

    3 жыл бұрын

    Lol I play Ibanez RG Superstrat all the way, but I'm thinking about going headless💀

  • @THE_Secular_Conservative
    @THE_Secular_Conservative2 жыл бұрын

    I just bought my first headless, Agile 7 string multiscale with Fishmans. As a person with small hands (I am 6'1 and my hands are only slightly larger then my 5' girlfriend), its the most comfortable guitar I have ever played.

  • @danteminardi9364
    @danteminardi93644 жыл бұрын

    Pro: it doesnt have a headstock Con: it doesnt have a headstock

  • @robertcorcoran6850
    @robertcorcoran68506 жыл бұрын

    Hang it upside down? Because satan?

  • @LOLAP95

    @LOLAP95

    6 жыл бұрын

    Robert Corcoran yes

  • @bloozer666

    @bloozer666

    6 жыл бұрын

    Fuckin yes

  • @robertcorcoran6850

    @robertcorcoran6850

    6 жыл бұрын

    Satan can u make me famous?

  • @KrlosRodz

    @KrlosRodz

    6 жыл бұрын

    🤣

  • @nigel7779

    @nigel7779

    5 жыл бұрын

    Hail Satin

  • @rootytootbananaboy
    @rootytootbananaboy5 жыл бұрын

    That Kiesel is gorgeous. Great spec choices!

  • @Chainbrain
    @Chainbrain6 жыл бұрын

    I use a Kiesel Osiris on my live stream and I've had lots of people just say "that guitar is ugly". We have some minds to change!

  • @jimmybags1494

    @jimmybags1494

    6 жыл бұрын

    it just looks kinda... overweight, fat, pluhmp. But hey if you're into it who cares!

  • @mauvst

    @mauvst

    6 жыл бұрын

    Your guitar is fucking beautiful

  • @abraham1O2

    @abraham1O2

    6 жыл бұрын

    Still looks ugly

  • @memebigboy1946

    @memebigboy1946

    6 жыл бұрын

    That's because the Osiris model is the ugliest Kiesel model next to the Allen Holdsworth. They tried to combine the Vader and Aries models into 1 guitar but it looks clunky as shit and you might as well just get one of the other 2. The Zues on the other hand I have mixed feelings about. It looks super small but It feels amazing and you hardly notice. (Just my opinion btw)

  • @Chainbrain

    @Chainbrain

    6 жыл бұрын

    Because they don't look awful and they play like butter

  • @hibernative
    @hibernative6 жыл бұрын

    I don’t even have a headless, but I can easily see myself just plucking a string with my left hand pointer finger over the top and tuning with my right.

  • @spectratio
    @spectratio6 жыл бұрын

    "SG is the worst guitar" i was playing my SG while watching this video

  • @spectratio

    @spectratio

    6 жыл бұрын

    GaLimotion I used to hate the look of SGs but got came to like it but thats just my opinion

  • @jamesonpace726

    @jamesonpace726

    5 жыл бұрын

    GaLimotion - "I never did really anything so I'll jes make sht up cuz most r 2 dumb to notice." Nice 1 mr expert of nuthn. Oh, wait, I mean, good 1 mr trump.

  • @otavio048

    @otavio048

    5 жыл бұрын

    fuck you sgs are beautiful

  • @brycemapstone9255

    @brycemapstone9255

    5 жыл бұрын

    GaLimotion you've never played one you said so how would you have an opinion on them. Go play one and you'll find they're light, sound great, look great and feel great

  • @judehastings2643

    @judehastings2643

    5 жыл бұрын

    GaLimotion look up a 61 SG custom, white with gold hardware... one of the best guitars I’ve ever seen.

  • @LarryWilliamsArtist
    @LarryWilliamsArtist6 жыл бұрын

    I’ve got a headless Vader 7 that kiesel did custom for me, and it’s the best guitar I’ve ever owned. The ergonomics (as you pointed out) and weight make it fit perfectly on your lap sitting down. It’s the first guitar I’ve ever played comfortably sitting down without a strap. I think they’re works of art, and the design just makes sense to me both from an aesthetic, and practical point of view. I get that they’re not for everyone, but I wouldn’t trade mine for anything.

  • @Napalm6b

    @Napalm6b

    6 жыл бұрын

    I used to play a steinberger man I loved those guitars

  • @whatmattersmarshall

    @whatmattersmarshall

    5 жыл бұрын

    I’m trying to decide on a Vader 7 right now. What pickups did you get? Anything you’d change?

  • @StratsRUs
    @StratsRUs2 жыл бұрын

    The Ibanez Ichi10 looks beautiful too.Definitely trying one soon. I do have two SG's but they don't neck dive and are great guitars.

  • @fuzzfizz
    @fuzzfizz6 жыл бұрын

    what? don't tell me you never pluck your string with your left hand while tuning with your right hand. how do you think older generation fine tune their floyd rose???

  • @treyxaviermusic

    @treyxaviermusic

    6 жыл бұрын

    Yeah you can do that, but I want the pick attack while I tune because of the small pitch change that happens when you hit it hard like I do when I play

  • @bliksemvis

    @bliksemvis

    6 жыл бұрын

    Get more flexible man >.>

  • @metalheadlazz

    @metalheadlazz

    6 жыл бұрын

    Older generation? Boy I'm 18 and JUST got done tuning my Floyd Rose installed Jackson RRX24. Is the Floyd Rose dying? Is there something I don't know about?

  • @Mr.Goldbar

    @Mr.Goldbar

    6 жыл бұрын

    Metalhead Lazz I'm 15 and almost all of my guitars have Floyds

  • @fuzzfizz

    @fuzzfizz

    6 жыл бұрын

    the point is floyds have been around so long that people already knew how to fine tune them, and this headless guitar comes and suddenly it is so hard to tune and pick at the same time.

  • @n-dog9325
    @n-dog93255 жыл бұрын

    Downside #6: You won't play like Allan Holdsworth. :D

  • @immanuelrohy
    @immanuelrohy6 жыл бұрын

    Something tells me Trey doesn't like Gibsons too much... Ah, who am I kidding? I hate them too. Especially their basses.

  • @ihH6053

    @ihH6053

    6 жыл бұрын

    Soiled Shorts the Thunderbird is the worst bass ever

  • @immanuelrohy

    @immanuelrohy

    6 жыл бұрын

    It has an "ok" sound, but the build quality just drags it straight down.

  • @bloozer666

    @bloozer666

    6 жыл бұрын

    Fuck gibson... bad for your bones lolol.

  • @eddyguizonde401

    @eddyguizonde401

    6 жыл бұрын

    or people who like fat guitars. i'll take a 50's neck any day of the week, thank you very much. thank goodness you can ask for that size of neck from most companies and builders! completely unrelated, but i'm selling a gibson sg (shitty guitar) (neck's too thin), any takers?

  • @_vez

    @_vez

    6 жыл бұрын

    With ESP making fantastic Eclipse models under 1000€,there is no reason to get a Gibson these days

  • @-Schnitzel-
    @-Schnitzel-5 жыл бұрын

    I've owned my .Strandberg* OS7 for about a year and a half now and I really appreciate how light the whole thing is. My 6 string's weight sometimes gives me back pain, hasn't yet happened with my OS7

  • @blitzblyat3441
    @blitzblyat34415 жыл бұрын

    I got to play a Vader before and absolutely loved it, it was light, cool looking, and had an amazing sound, I definately am a fan of headless guitars.

  • @rafahellorsato
    @rafahellorsato6 жыл бұрын

    5:13 you can just turn your guitar upside down, then you hit the note with your right hand and tune with the left.

  • @tovasstalin2927
    @tovasstalin29276 жыл бұрын

    but no one remembers Steinberger that created headless guitar lol

  • @gavingray7830

    @gavingray7830

    5 жыл бұрын

    pretty sure thats widely known

  • @jacoobyslaps

    @jacoobyslaps

    5 жыл бұрын

    That’s the most accepted, yes. But they didn’t innovate past that.

  • @henkehakansson2004

    @henkehakansson2004

    5 жыл бұрын

    Nope, actually, Les Paul did the first. However he made it in steel, and as fast as it was under spotlight on stage, it went out of tune. Second was ..lo and behold... Fender, that only made it to prototype stage, and it looked too weird for the high brass, so they put back the lid on that. Steinberger was the third, but made it commercially viable. However, he did not hold a patent on headless, I am sure he didn't know anything about Les Paul experiments or Fenders undisclosed prototypes. It was an idea of all his own. kzread.info/dash/bejne/jJeEsMucmMioZsY.html www.vintageguitar.com/1772/fender-headless-bass/

  • @TheHernanNoguera

    @TheHernanNoguera

    5 жыл бұрын

    The shoebox with stings you mean?

  • @superblondeDotOrg
    @superblondeDotOrg2 жыл бұрын

    #1 Fits in a car passenger seat easy, no need to put guitar in a trunk or in the back seat. Also can play/practice as a passenger in a car without worrying about bashing the driver or others with a sharp & ugly headstock. #2 Doesnt bash your monitor or keyboard when playing in a computer chair and turning around. #3 No neck dive, No neck dive, No neck dive, No neck dive . #4 Can lay flat on the floor/carpet/table without concern unlike any Gibson or others with angled necks #5 Looks like Bill & Ted . EXCELLENT ! #6 Stays in tune and easier to tune, no friction from string tree and no slack around nut pin. Superior design. Headless Tuners can be made at high ratio (40:1) to allow very fine & precise tuning (like Steinberg does) unlike headstock tuners which are low mechanical ratio thus easy to tune too far flat or sharp. #7 Zero fret on Headless means open string sounds same as fretted note. Unlike guitars where the nut terminates the string and sound is diminished. #8 No one will ever ask you to play weak sauce style like John Meyer because Headless is TOTALLY PR0G #9 Less sympathetic vibration noise since there is no extra string extending beyond nut and no extra wood beyond nut, important when recording or playing next to insanely loud bass amp. #10 Tone Wood is a myth, headstocks are unnecessary for Tone, extra wood on Headstock dampens the normal string sustain. #11 Girls think they are cute

  • @TheAudivisioner

    @TheAudivisioner

    Жыл бұрын

    Just have to get used to the string changing. I just bought a Kiesel Osiris Five string fretless bass. Has a three piece maple neck with a walnut stripe, hard as nails fingerboard, split pickup and single coil pickup, active electronics. First bolt on neck I've owned in thirty years. This bass plays and sounds great. May upgrade the pickups though (I like EMG electronics in my fretless basses). I toyed with a Fender Precision bass from the same period. Leaves the Fender in the dust. Those Fender headstocks are over forty years behind. And those neck designs are long gone. Just need to work on the string changing thing.

  • @diego2246
    @diego22465 жыл бұрын

    Pro: it is a guitar Con: it has no headstock

  • @dumpygoodness4086

    @dumpygoodness4086

    4 жыл бұрын

    dude, never again worrying about bumping into anything or anyone is AMAZING FREEDOM, sir. Try evolution! You might just LOVE it!

  • @Unmaleable

    @Unmaleable

    4 жыл бұрын

    As a headstock snob it bugs me....but that strandberg body is sick

  • @jeebuz6627

    @jeebuz6627

    4 жыл бұрын

    Dumpy Goodness you can still bump stuff with that thing. It’s basically a really short scale guitar with a headstock

  • @instrumentalist28
    @instrumentalist286 жыл бұрын

    My Vader 7x doesn’t feel like a toy....though the Steinberger spirit did.....but yes I totally agree with ur SG definition 😂🤣😂🤣.....one downside too on the Vader is that tuning keys don’t have infinite turns, like a standard.....I play my Vader more than my other guitars because it plays perfectly, and the trem flutters beautifully..

  • @KBIbanez1989

    @KBIbanez1989

    5 жыл бұрын

    I know. The trem is almost the best part of that guitar and I've been a Floyd Rose guy for a while.

  • @davidwong6575
    @davidwong65755 жыл бұрын

    “Over their decaying Corpses” Great band name

  • @worstghosthunting3466
    @worstghosthunting34665 жыл бұрын

    Thanks man, I’m think about getting a headless guitar and this went into a lot of detail and I really appreciate it.

  • @karligler4985
    @karligler49852 жыл бұрын

    SG stands for 'shitty guitar'--- i love it

  • @ibanez2010
    @ibanez20105 жыл бұрын

    Headless guitars are sexy AF! Love the look (and practicality) of them.

  • @NateThunder
    @NateThunder6 жыл бұрын

    SG means Sexy Guitar, Trey!!

  • @charlesrichardson6646

    @charlesrichardson6646

    6 жыл бұрын

    Jack Thunder I know right

  • @Mr.Goldbar

    @Mr.Goldbar

    6 жыл бұрын

    Jack Thunder nope. I had a 2002 SG Special and it's ugly as fuck

  • @Sadowsky46

    @Sadowsky46

    6 жыл бұрын

    Noo he was correct

  • @lukaskuipers7791

    @lukaskuipers7791

    5 жыл бұрын

    They look like fucking squidward, how is that sexy

  • @isacsundqvist8589

    @isacsundqvist8589

    5 жыл бұрын

    Lukas Kuipers an SG has bloody devil horns on it, how is that not cool?!

  • @thisguy2973
    @thisguy2973 Жыл бұрын

    On downside #3, if you’re someone who’s used to tuning a Floyd rose fine tuner, this won’t be that much different, but be forewarned: on Strandbergs, the tuners feel really tight in the hand when turning, which is a good thing for stability, but it requires more finger strength in the moment.

  • @I_Am_Lt_Surge
    @I_Am_Lt_Surge2 жыл бұрын

    I don't like the way a headless guitar looks... but I do like that all the design choices were made around functionality, not the final products appearance. In the end, I'll stick with guitars with headstocks A. Because they can hang and B. More surface area for pretty finish

  • @2bitanalyst39
    @2bitanalyst396 жыл бұрын

    I want to get a 7 string boden so bad..

  • @motnik
    @motnik4 жыл бұрын

    To all you young lads out there, headless guitars are not coming up, they're coming back. For a brief moment in the 80s they were quite popular (I had a Hohner The Jack headless bass which I still regret selling since it sounded amazing, but I needed the money) and many famous guitarists had at least one Steinberger which basically invented the technology most new headless guitars are based upon. So if all the "old guys die out" as you say, it would be bad for guitar builders since some of us are very happy to see headless guitars make a comeback and I'm seriously in the market for one. BTW, I'm 47 so I hope I'm still gonna be around for a while. If the virus doesn't get me.

  • @rodeytsapralis8881
    @rodeytsapralis88815 жыл бұрын

    I used to own a Kiesel Vader 6 and 7 string, and I sincerely enjoyed those instruments. They didn't feel like toys to me at all, but I can attest that anyone who saw them either said "That is amazing!" or "Dude, where's the rest of your guitar?" The one thing I will advise to anyone looking to get one is be very careful not to lose any of the proprietary parts or tools because if you do, especially on the road, it's not always as simple as going to Guitar Center to get replacements. Give them a try!

  • @davidfaustino4476

    @davidfaustino4476

    Жыл бұрын

    ..they're standard size Allen wrenches..

  • @gnrismyreligion8740
    @gnrismyreligion87405 жыл бұрын

    3# (or 2#) upside "Looks Cool!" 4# downside "Doesn't Look Cool!" Am i a joke to you?

  • @scottpetersen1753
    @scottpetersen17536 жыл бұрын

    Strandberg is already making headless T style guitars. ;-D

  • @zakktheripper4life

    @zakktheripper4life

    6 жыл бұрын

    And S-style too, with the pickguard.

  • @brintinn9950
    @brintinn99505 жыл бұрын

    I guess another plus with headless is not worrying about headstock breaks

  • @nooneplayer
    @nooneplayer3 жыл бұрын

    headless can do new things but I miss some old tricks in regular guitar. I also like the “Hug” feeling of headless. Very comfortable even after hours of playing especially in sitting position.

  • @mixodorians12
    @mixodorians126 жыл бұрын

    Allan Holdsworth looked weird playing his...and this was a guy so goofy looking he even made a synth axe look cool, so.

  • @JustinBA007
    @JustinBA0076 жыл бұрын

    I have an Ibanez Xiphos, which is one of the largest and heaviest guitars ever made. That case absolutely dwarfs even bass guitar cases. I fuckin love it though.

  • @rwl6935

    @rwl6935

    6 жыл бұрын

    Justin Brantley the dean Razorback has a huge case too. About the size of a half sheet of plywood. Heavy as hell too.

  • @stax56

    @stax56

    6 жыл бұрын

    Justin Brantley duuuude I want a Xiphos bad!

  • @Chrsdxn

    @Chrsdxn

    6 жыл бұрын

    I had a BC Rich Warlock for a couple months.... you could rent space out in that case

  • @tyler_bt3326

    @tyler_bt3326

    6 жыл бұрын

    Justin Brantley love my xiphos, done work to it now so it has absolutely no resale value xD dimebucker in the bridge, trem pocket routed out for an original edge and all black hardware with open gear tuners. The tuners solved the neck dive issue partly, moving the strap button down to below the input jack helped a lot too, now it only slightly creeps down when I’m playing

  • @JustinBA007

    @JustinBA007

    6 жыл бұрын

    KiLl3R Mem3StAR I haven't done any modification to mine, it's been perfect. Stays in tune for months. And I love the sounds of it's dimarzios. Did yours not already come with an edge tremelo?

  • @strange_jason
    @strange_jason Жыл бұрын

    Headless guitars also have better tuning stability while being much easier to restring as well ;)

  • @mediocreboi
    @mediocreboi4 жыл бұрын

    Wow I'm glad literally none of those downsides are enough to deter me. I was planning a build and decided to go headless. Thanks.

  • @zranzran3382
    @zranzran33825 жыл бұрын

    Have you considered just plucking the string with your left hand and tuning with your right? I've seen you play man, I know you can pluck an open string with your left hand if necessary :)

  • @mikesperling9878
    @mikesperling98786 жыл бұрын

    Would be cool if Harley Benton make a headless guitar. D: I would buy one. ^^

  • @lyell63

    @lyell63

    6 жыл бұрын

    Mike Sperling Same!

  • @danadrian2752

    @danadrian2752

    5 жыл бұрын

    Kachongui Kach headless, fanned, baritone, scalloped, graphite reinforced neck

  • @BigMuff75

    @BigMuff75

    5 жыл бұрын

    and under 100 bucks!

  • @mikesperling9878

    @mikesperling9878

    5 жыл бұрын

    I would pay more if the quality is awesome! ^^

  • @elevenAD

    @elevenAD

    5 жыл бұрын

    Agile make one.

  • @gabrielmyre
    @gabrielmyre3 жыл бұрын

    I use to own a black 1987 Steinberger GM-1 equipped with the active EQ, bridge, EMG pickup and the amazing Trans Trem. Bought it new when it came out. Played clubs for years with that axe. It was light, very low action without any fret buzz and the active EQ was very versatile. Played it through a Boss ME-5 and a Roland Jazz Chorus 120. Great memories. Too bad I sold it in 1992. I remember one night breaking the high E string during a song and changing it before the solo. Those double-ball strings were so easy to replace.

  • @dexterj5615
    @dexterj56154 жыл бұрын

    Headless instruments are generally not gonna suffer neck dives like those common in most 5+ string basses

  • @abandonedaccount1231
    @abandonedaccount12315 жыл бұрын

    I like how well your beard seperates your red face from your pale neck

  • @jmpyros9509

    @jmpyros9509

    4 жыл бұрын

    Wtf 😂

  • @dboyskate

    @dboyskate

    4 жыл бұрын

    Dude wtf lmao. How’d you even see that??? 😭😂😂😂

  • @chris_andros
    @chris_andros6 жыл бұрын

    Love all the upsides and the prospect of owning a headless. If you’re on a budget (approximately $2000) what’s your personal preference for best overall headless guitar? Keep up the great work Trey!

  • @madmanno5566

    @madmanno5566

    4 жыл бұрын

    Just buy an SG(Superior Guitar)

  • @tgunzz3790
    @tgunzz37902 жыл бұрын

    Cool vid, thanks for the insight.

  • @hillarioushilariokasaquerm684
    @hillarioushilariokasaquerm6843 жыл бұрын

    One more advantage, you can easily swing your guitar around your back without worrying about the neck-headstock joint breaking.

  • @HornedBee
    @HornedBee6 жыл бұрын

    I don’t know about looking cool, they definitely look original and futuristic, but it bothers me when I look at the guitar, it’s like something missing, like phantom pain, or like looking at a crippled person , they are overall fine but that missing limb makes you feel very uncomfortable

  • @treyxaviermusic

    @treyxaviermusic

    6 жыл бұрын

    that's pretty dramatic hahaha

  • @Exgrmbl

    @Exgrmbl

    5 жыл бұрын

    I reckon you would have liked something like the Steinberger GS Scepter.

  • @dumpygoodness4086

    @dumpygoodness4086

    4 жыл бұрын

    WEIRD. I love headstocks more than anyone (EX: as a boy I saw the headstock of a Rickenbacker bass and was stunned and in love for life!) (But Rickys are not great instruments.).... BUT, i also learned to LOVE no headstock, even visually. You may just need a bit more time to acclimate.

  • @cjleongson
    @cjleongson6 жыл бұрын

    to me they really look virtuostic

  • @jeffd7902

    @jeffd7902

    5 жыл бұрын

    i agree, they look so classy and professional

  • @cms3816

    @cms3816

    5 жыл бұрын

    cuz all the prog boys use them

  • @DavidColex
    @DavidColex5 ай бұрын

    It can be tuned while playing if youre having a sustainer unit on it :)

  • @vasiapatov4544
    @vasiapatov45444 жыл бұрын

    fan of headless guitars or not, this is a great video, no idea why the dislikes came in.

  • @The80sShred
    @The80sShred6 жыл бұрын

    I bought a Strandberg Boden Original 6 last month and it was actually the best playing and sounding guitar i ever had. Unfortunately it had several dead spots and wolf notes throughout the g string caused by the resonance of the neck, no matter the setup. The frets were perfectly leveled too. It sucked to have 7 seconds of sustain on one fret and only 1-2 on the next one. I sent it back and didn't buy a second one

  • @instrumentalist28

    @instrumentalist28

    6 жыл бұрын

    Florian Simon ur comment makes me glad I went with the Kiesel Vader 7x....because I considered the stranberg....the Vader is the most comfortable guitar I ever played

  • @GidelJacob

    @GidelJacob

    6 жыл бұрын

    Im glad i ordered the vader 7x.

  • @henkehakansson2004

    @henkehakansson2004

    5 жыл бұрын

    This is my verdict too. I think Strandberg sometimes - more often than not - overthought and went overboard with all things ergonomic. Basically the chambered body, and making all things as comfy and ergonomic as hell. It's like, they've gone overboard with that and sacrified dead spots, overall sustain, and uneven balance in terms of equal across the range of notes. The lighweight wood thing is a balance things, and I think he went overboard, and overshoot the design so much it will - turn out - defeat the purpose. Too lightweight headless guiatrs, as those ones with paddles, just bounces and wiggles around while playing. If I have one small niggle with headless, that is combined with lighweight or small bodies, is that it is very easy to actually knock the neck in an in/out motion while playing. I e: the force from the fingers needed to press down a string on the fret is enough to wobble and move the neck "inwards" too at the body. And when you release the finger, it slighlty goes back again. This is due to physics, the lever effect. You have a rod, and move it at the end, it's easier to move something heavier at the other end (the body). A headstock mitigate this somewhat, as well as a heavier body. I e I generally don't want the fingers little faint force be able to "dislocate" the neck in and out. It shouldn't be enough to move the neck, just the strings. This is especially highlighted when doing multi-finger tapping across the fretboard.

  • @darlyngton_nyc
    @darlyngton_nyc6 жыл бұрын

    ANOTHER DOWNSIDE: CANT USE HEADTSTOCK TUNERS ANYMORE.....

  • @shugo541

    @shugo541

    6 жыл бұрын

    Dar_Welchito you can! I've seen a headless with a headstock tuner clipped onto an extruding piece of metal or an unused pot. Still works \m/

  • @henkehakansson2004

    @henkehakansson2004

    5 жыл бұрын

    But aren't they already pretuned at the factory? They come in tune and if you need change you have to leave it back again for service? Just like a car? They don't need to be tuned, there's no tuners on them, I can't see them, so they must not exist... /CEO at Flat Earth Society

  • @TheAudivisioner
    @TheAudivisioner Жыл бұрын

    A few months ago, I bought a used Fretless Kiesel Osiris five string fretless bass. One of their headless designs. Played great right out of the case. Very balanced. The hard as nails fingerboard gives it more of a slick growl. Stays in tune very well so far, and tunes up easy. I got a good price on this one. Split pickup in the front, single coil in the rear. One thing you should notice: You don't play the headstock, you play between the nut and bridge. That's where all of the playing action is! Fender has been using the same headstock for over seventy years. No need for the string tree retainer. Straight sting pull. Might update the electronics with EMGs. They are my favorites for fretless bass.

  • @angusorvid8840
    @angusorvid88402 жыл бұрын

    I've always been a fan of the headless design ever since I tried a Steinberger in the 80s. The reason I didn't buy one was because of how expensive it was and the cost of double ball end strings which were also harder to come by back then. I knew a top session cat in L.A. who swore by his Steinberger. He started playing one around '86. This guy could be recording all day in L.A. then be on a red eye to Europe to play arenas. He was very in demand back then. Last time I talked to him he was still playing Steinbergers but also a Strandberg. There is so much about the design that just makes sense.

  • @burroughs334
    @burroughs3346 жыл бұрын

    I’m going to tell Angus Young that the guy who runs “Trey’s Theory Corner” says his SG stands for “shitty guitar”. That ought to hold a lot of water.

  • @treyxaviermusic

    @treyxaviermusic

    6 жыл бұрын

    That's a bit of a non-sequitur

  • @burroughs334

    @burroughs334

    6 жыл бұрын

    Boy you were RIGHT on top of that, huh bud?

  • @treyxaviermusic

    @treyxaviermusic

    6 жыл бұрын

    have you ever played an SG? They're fucking terrible in every way

  • @blakekillganon846

    @blakekillganon846

    6 жыл бұрын

    Josh Gauntlett what does a mediocre guitarists opinion matter?

  • @burroughs334

    @burroughs334

    6 жыл бұрын

    Sure I’ve played one. I don’t necessarily love them, but there are players who get a good sound out of them. Just saying that’s grounds for not looking at the instrument as complete shit, but you’re entitled to your opinion.

  • @AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE
    @AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE6 жыл бұрын

    Headless guitars are the future!

  • @AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE

    @AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE

    6 жыл бұрын

    Massive fan since Steinberger and Hohner were the only widely known makes producing them.

  • @larsheuker

    @larsheuker

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hope not, the heads really look better. Imagine if guitars started as headless. Then introduced a headstock. Everyone would have loved that change. A more finished look

  • @LeftHandedRightHanded

    @LeftHandedRightHanded

    6 жыл бұрын

    Nope

  • @marty644

    @marty644

    6 жыл бұрын

    Headless guitars ain’t shit

  • @Mr.Goldbar

    @Mr.Goldbar

    6 жыл бұрын

    AJD OLD CHANNEL ARCHIVE Agree. Planning on assembling a Headless guitar kit in the future :)

  • @svpmvp2433
    @svpmvp24333 жыл бұрын

    My guitar teacher had a custom made strandberg and its probably the coolest guitar I've ever seen and I had a gibson flying v at the time xD

  • @jaeden2806
    @jaeden2806 Жыл бұрын

    Didn't like headless guitars for a long time. As I've gotten older I genuinely really want one... Seeing Per Nillson and all the modern guitarists use them has made it so. They look like an alien weapon n look comfortable. Great vid:)

  • @42dugg13
    @42dugg134 жыл бұрын

    Les Paul joke wasn’t funny nerd Also me: stands in a corner crying because it’s happened before to mine.

  • @shadowflame005
    @shadowflame0056 жыл бұрын

    They look good? Seriously? personal taste I guess...

  • @fromthistexasbreath

    @fromthistexasbreath

    6 жыл бұрын

    He listed one downside that it doesn't look good, and mentioned how the guitar community is pretty split on them. He even called himself a dork for thinking they're cool. Did you even watch that?

  • @shadowflame005

    @shadowflame005

    6 жыл бұрын

    No, I only watch videos for 30 seconds tops. Have a nice day

  • @treyxaviermusic

    @treyxaviermusic

    6 жыл бұрын

    I'll make the next one 30 seconds and cram all the info in there for you by rapping it like Tech N9ne

  • @shadowflame005

    @shadowflame005

    6 жыл бұрын

    sweet :P

  • @MustangDesudiroz

    @MustangDesudiroz

    6 жыл бұрын

    the white one looks good

  • @josephisafan
    @josephisafan3 жыл бұрын

    got a strandberg a couple weeks back and i think i'm done with normal "headfull" guitars - its phenomenal.

  • @colemcnair5752
    @colemcnair57526 жыл бұрын

    I've been convinced. I NEEEED IT

  • @HeadbangoO
    @HeadbangoO6 жыл бұрын

    Damn it's so ugly! Thanks for the laughs tho...

  • @sivertSt02
    @sivertSt026 жыл бұрын

    I will never play a headless guitar they look so disgusting, And The sg is best 😑 Great video tho

  • @jdmfan4134
    @jdmfan41346 жыл бұрын

    I love the transparency of those guitars.

  • @wasdwasd12321
    @wasdwasd123213 жыл бұрын

    "so much better for your boooones" god that made me lol for a while.

  • @mikecooper8465
    @mikecooper84656 жыл бұрын

    While I enjoy and like ur vids,stop slamming Gibson guitars.I've owned several in my55 yrs of playing guitar.never had a problem with them.cheers.👍..

  • @shugo541

    @shugo541

    6 жыл бұрын

    Mike Cooper probably because it's cool to rip them. I have an SG. Never had a problem with neck dive. Had it for 9 or 10 years. Sure I prefer my schecter over the Gibson but damn it's a nice guitar. 20 years old and still great to play

  • @McOuroborosBurger
    @McOuroborosBurger5 жыл бұрын

    My 35” scale 7 string bass is light. It hasn’t been denied carryon status. String changes are quick with a hipshot B style. It looks sick as fuck.

  • @jacobtorrez4020
    @jacobtorrez40205 жыл бұрын

    I love how their was no transition into the distrokid add

  • @docd2167
    @docd21674 жыл бұрын

    I hang my Holdsworth Headless just fine on conventional guitar hanger, by hanging the strap over the hangers for the headstock, and then the neck just naturally goes in between the 2 hangers. I also use straplocks; not sure I'd trust a regular strap button. Tried a headless after neck surgery, and after playing for 55 years, I'd NEVER go back. Why should I care about what people say?! You're never fighting with a headless, sitting or standing, unlike most regulars that you have to fight with, re-position, etc.

  • @neonbrownpear9168
    @neonbrownpear91685 жыл бұрын

    thanks for the heads up

  • @MarvinSheats
    @MarvinSheats5 жыл бұрын

    Big time Headless Guitar player. LOVE THEM!!!

  • @ranajeetidutta
    @ranajeetidutta4 жыл бұрын

    By the way your video was very informative and to the point.

  • @F0nkmaestro69
    @F0nkmaestro696 жыл бұрын

    There's enough room in the collection for both. Love my V7, what with its comfort and improved tension. Might eventually miss behind-the-nut bends but until then fug it, I'm staying with the headless. No one bumps my tuning pegs anymore and if they get too close I can slice them open with my unflush string ends

  • @sergejkrynycky728
    @sergejkrynycky7286 жыл бұрын

    I personally hate it when there is nothing at the end of the neck, like on Kiesel for example. I think Strandberg NAILED IT with that little shape behind the nut. Very elegant.

  • @ChrisFranklyn
    @ChrisFranklyn6 жыл бұрын

    It's a jolt to the brain when I first see one, then start to think of practicalities...

  • @ClockworkCreep
    @ClockworkCreep3 жыл бұрын

    Here are some more: Pro: No strings beyond the nut making extra noise. No need to mute these hanging strings. Con: Headless guitars can't have the Evertune bridge. I've asked Evertune if that will be ever possible, and they said yes... There will be an updated Evertune bridge that supports that. However, it has been years since I asked, and so far - no news on that.

  • @TheMelody911
    @TheMelody9115 жыл бұрын

    One of the coolest headless guitar are, in my opinion, the Steinbergers or the Hohner copy's.

  • @zeppelinmexicano
    @zeppelinmexicano4 жыл бұрын

    I'm an old guy and I like Strandberg, and that's after having a Tele and PRS. As far as cool goes, I couldn't care less. Been there, done that, and now I want my shoulder to survive, OK? I want to practice sitting and have the instrument in various positions. I want to lug it around easily. The neck is more playable at higher frets, and you can restring it and tune it very easily. Cool? What is cool? Coolness or playability, you decide, but that tells me who you are.

  • @JohnIainMcFarlanewaspfactor
    @JohnIainMcFarlanewaspfactor5 жыл бұрын

    SG you are right,its like fighting an eel and the situation doesnt improve sitting down.

  • @michaelgrahamwongacutemadness
    @michaelgrahamwongacutemadness Жыл бұрын

    i thought there are some that you can hang either because the wood extends out for that purpose or a little rope like on travelers and i remember when using floyds that the fine tuners which most of them have can be turned as my fretting hand near the nut makes the open note ring

  • @wolfman8785
    @wolfman87855 жыл бұрын

    To each their own really. I own and play both. The absolute best thing about my strandberg is the shape of the body and its the most comfortable guitar ive ever played.

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