You say there is no doubt. Actually, there is a great deal of doubt about this system. It's simply a degraded subway. It's quite a disappointment.

@sk-sm9sh

2 жыл бұрын

Subways take long to complete and cost whole lot. And whole idea of subway to me is questionable. Why are we spending billions to put people under ground? Because trucks and cars occupied our land, so we all better go underground? IMHO this makes no sense. In cities we should put freight and cars underground. And move massive transit systems to ground level or over ground in form of trams, buses, and light rail systems on pillars. If we only sending freight and cars down there then suddenly there is no need to have massive spaces excavated for our comfort.

@CoolMan-ig1ol

2 жыл бұрын

It is perfect for Las vegas, dumb for literally any other city in the world.

@willy4170

Жыл бұрын

@@sk-sm9sh are you joking or really not in touch with reality at all?

@sk-sm9sh

Жыл бұрын

@@willy4170 I have been on many ground, overground as well as underground transit systems as passanger arouns the world. Overground and ground are way superior to traveling person than the underground and it is cheaper to build too.

As a professional working in the transportation industry, I personally do not believe that the boring company will have a significant impact on our system - although I do believe that the freight option is the *only* viable option for them. Keep in mind as well, freight routes do not necessarily have to travel for the full length between the two cities - perhaps a tunnel could be made to more quickly travel from the Port of LA to outside of the more densely packed LA region, then transitioning to standard freight trucks. Food for thought

@Skinnymarks

3 жыл бұрын

I've never herd this view point explained very well. Wouldn't boring company's effect just be a matter of how many tunnels they end up making? I can imagine a point which most urban highways and freeways are underground.

@chrisnova9515

3 жыл бұрын

That tunnel already exists. Called the Alameda Corridor. Built in the late 90's, it runs from Long Beach to the rail yards in East LA. It transports shipping containers by rail.

@edwardmeer95

3 жыл бұрын

All the things Elon talks about are failed projects for the last 100 years and people go crazy about it.

@EricLDunn

3 жыл бұрын

If the tunnels and vehicles can't fit standard containers, forget serving ports. At least they saw that. But once you're transporting containers you have to be more efficient than doublestacked rail. Small tunnel systems have been used and thrived in the past. They also eventually shut down. If TBC finds a niche it will rise and fall for the same reasons. Look up the Chicago freight tunnels and MailRail London. TBC doesn't have a relevant vehicle or routing software for passengers or cargo.

@LuisPereira-bn8jq

3 жыл бұрын

@@edwardmeer95 "All the things Elon talks about are failed projects" Oh yes, creating a company that launched more mass to orbit last year than every other space entity combined is practically the definition of "failed projects"... Good grief...

These are to most expensive LED strips in a concrete pipe i have ever seen.

Promised 150mph, delivered 35mph. Promised $10 million per mile, delivered $55 million for a little over a kilometer. Also a standard shipping container has a cross section with a diagonal almost exactly the same as a TBC 12 foot tunnel. It won’t fit.

@naerbo19

2 жыл бұрын

That may be true, but you would also have to consider that this is the first tunnel. That means they can get more efficient drilling operations, to a potential lower price. The tunnel size can be scaled up to accommodate the containers, and must be done if you want to have corners and more so if it is the long version of the containers. Speed... Can potentially be improved with time. That being said, I do see your point, but did he specifically promise that this prototype tunnel would have the specified speed?

@jeremypnet

2 жыл бұрын

@@naerbo19 the problem is that most of the promised speed increase is predicated on small tunnels. They make the tunnels bigger and they lose their advantage (assuming it really exists ). And then what did we learn from this prototype. It’s just a road tunnel and road tunnels have existed for almost as long as there have been cars. Shouldn’t the prototype demonstrate some advance in technology?

@naerbo19

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeremypnet True, but it won't impact me before he has a tried and proven product so I will await further development of product and marketing.

@PineappleDealer37

2 жыл бұрын

Budapest metro M1 line is the first electric line build in Europe. It was build in XVIII or XIX (I don't remember) century and it was dug much faster than elon's savage pipe. And they had to disassemble and reassemble the road. If Elon magic takes more time to dig a tunel than XIX century Hungary people really should rethink who they should support. And to compare this to something more modern, tunel under la'mange was dug faster than Vegas loop. And it has 3 lines compared that to Elon savage pipe.

@xv1ob53hjps

2 жыл бұрын

@@PineappleDealer37 It sounds like you'd enjoy the content Adam Something makes, if you don't know him already I suggest you check him out. I think he brought up a similar point on comparing the M1 to the gamer tunnel

The problem with this loop is that it cannot handle a high volume of vehicles at the same time. Las Vegas is not a metropolis, so it is essentially irrelevant. By the way, in case you haven’t heard, tunnels have around for centuries.

@Skinnymarks

3 жыл бұрын

Ya but previous methods of constructing tunnels have been around a billion a mile. The boring company has got it to a 10 million a mile. Interesting enough above ground highways expansions are around 100 million a mile.

@joeyhamilton6854

3 жыл бұрын

@@Skinnymarks that’s only in New York for all the land, subway stations and infrastructure. The boring company has not actually brought the cost down of actually tunneling.

@kylen6430

3 жыл бұрын

@@Skinnymarks also...their tunnels are only 12ft in diameter....

@Skinnymarks

3 жыл бұрын

@@joeyhamilton6854 Sorry I couldn't make any sense of what you just said. The thought is too fragmented. What about new York? And why do you think the cost of the boring tunnels aren't cheaper, compaired to what? Previous methods used giant boring machines that ran on desil. That in itself drove up the costs of digging a tunnel. You would be right if you were talking about surface roads. Highway expansions in large cities dose indeed cost signifigantly more than constructing a rural road. I'm not sure what youre trying to get at.

@Skinnymarks

3 жыл бұрын

@@kylen6430 your point?

As someone who works with telecom services i can tell you there are far more utility tunnels than those for traffic. Sewer system is a form of utility tunnel that can cover a signification amount of km alongside underground river tunnels and some "secret" tunnells undisclosed for the public but can house shelter as well as main infrastructure lines.

5:08 Model: "Boss, for this stock footage, do you want me to type like a normal person or like an idiot?" Photographer: "Idiot's fine. No need to strain yourself."

I was like : "oh just a content creator with most likely like 40k subs" Sub count : 600 me : wHAT

@OBFYT

3 жыл бұрын

One day maybe haha, but thank you!

@andrewseton4410

3 жыл бұрын

same here

@oldcet5277

3 жыл бұрын

@@OBFYT Glad that you got 8k in a month. The quality of the video looks like the one from a channel with 100k+

@jofx4051

3 жыл бұрын

now he is 11.6k

@GauravSharmaSDE

3 жыл бұрын

12.9k

More scepticism is in order.

Isn't it just automatic train with few extra steps? 🤔

@joeyhamilton6854

3 жыл бұрын

And a whole lot more money

@maxblinkhorn

3 жыл бұрын

Yep. It's a silly idea. And boring machines are all over the place. Check out the Gotthard base tunnel.

@lostseeker88

3 жыл бұрын

@@maxblinkhorn Boring companies exist but the pricing they are claiming is so much cheaper than everything already out there its insane.

@maxblinkhorn

3 жыл бұрын

@@lostseeker88 I suggest their business model is faulty, then. He who lives by hype, dies by it, taking the money of mugs with them.

@emilmullerv3519

3 жыл бұрын

@@lostseeker88 which makes sense since Boring tunnels are smaller, I wouldn't brag about painting your house at half the price if I only paint half of it

What I am a little skeptical of about this vid is this: It takes 1-3 days to ship something in California 120 miles? That sounds... really odd. Excuse me, but where did that number come from? Little as 40 miles per day on average? Something is very wrong here! If what is taking most of the time is handling at the port and final location, then The Boring Companies tech in tunneling isn't going to necessarily help that all that much. We dont know if the freight loop can send 1 container per minute, maybe the number is two or it could be 0.3. It is probably mostly the infrastructure at each end of the tunnel that really sets that limit. The 10 million per mile figure is interesting, but what does competion cost? Do the tunnels have comparable width? And does the 10 million figure count for all soil types and depths? Probably not, right? We need far more data.

The Vegas Loop cost $55m for 0.8 miles. That's considerably more than the lie Musk was telling. It also has a max capacity of 1200 passengers per hour, nowhere near the numbers claimed. And all while abandoning any of the safety features that regular tunnels have. Musk is a con man. nothing more, nothing less. This video appears to take his con at face value. As Las Vegas is finding out to its cost - that's generally a bad idea.

@tecnoguy1136

3 жыл бұрын

I think a major concern with this is the lack of SOS points etc. It’s fine for containers but cars can fail. Not sure you want an Li fire with no escape hatch.

@EricLDunn

2 жыл бұрын

And the 55 million is what they charged for a FIXED COST contract (that went up anyways). The only way to know the true costs would be if The Boring Company opened their accounting books for scrutiny.

@sebastianflynn1746

2 жыл бұрын

There are fixed costs that don't change, just because he promises X amount of dollars per mile doesn't mean a mile long tunnel costs X there are other costs involved that don't change with tunnel length.

@dairallan

2 жыл бұрын

@@sebastianflynn1746 Right, the largest of which is the Easement in an urban area. And yet, Boring disingenuously uses a figure for New York with exorbitant Easement costs when comparing their "cost" to the cost of actual tunnels with actual functionality.

@sebastianflynn1746

2 жыл бұрын

@@dairallan easement costs are purely US thing, if you look at the rest of the world tunnels still cost at the very least 4x what the boring company managed. New York is an extreme example and easement costs are taken into account for the cost per mile (1.5-2.5 billion usd) the rest of the world even in places like India with very cheap labour costs per mile are 100 million per mile at the low end.

Holy Cow, this video is so gooood! How are you not a big youtuber! Love the video! Keep it up!

@OBFYT

3 жыл бұрын

Well if more people like you find my videos I hopefully will become big one day. And I am glad you liked it!

@simonquvang6073

3 жыл бұрын

His account is 4 months old, thats why.

@stealthhydrac8516

3 жыл бұрын

@@simonquvang6073 :| ok

@Bebs_

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

Sounds like some just reinvented underground freight trains...

@akyhne

3 жыл бұрын

@eblman No speed limits? Lol. You basically have to build a train track and use train wagons for the containers, so basically a train running under ground. And why do you think cargo trains can't travel fast? Because containers are very heavy and therefore needs incredible sturdy and straight tracks. So the cost of building the track itself, is at least as pricey, as building above ground. Also, you forget that you still need to pay land owners in the US, for building below their property.

@AndreiZisu

3 жыл бұрын

@eblman going directly to a building will be almost impossible. You need a transfer method. Think about having to slow down and changing elevations. Also, no security check on a tunnel that I can't get out of? Sounds like a security nightmare :)

If you've invested in this, get out while you can. This just won't work!

@maxblinkhorn

3 жыл бұрын

@eblman because faith is not a strong material to build with. Maybe in 10 years time, after proper trials, failures, accidents and crashes, something like may work but it's just a gimmick right now.

@FEURVERM

3 жыл бұрын

@@maxblinkhorn Man Don't Underestimate TheBORINGCompany As if they Don't Even Know Something like that As u know They Are also Part Of one of the Elon musk company That has Its Own Scientist Through his Other companies as well Around 5 or more companies that he owned one of those who reached the Light is Tesla And SpaceX as for the rest they still developing the same goes for TheBoringCompany And they have their research right and helpers through other companies and also if elon musk Successfully landed in the mars with starship Theirs a higher chance of getting stronger materials in it That hasn't existed in Earth That can be easily mined but very very hard and it can only be owned by one company that is elon musk And even if elon musk were to disappear This company will still work together to achieve something On colonization and deep space exploration with All of their projects and ideas combined throughout each company can create a massive achievement

@maxblinkhorn

3 жыл бұрын

@@FEURVERM what are you like? Carry on dreaming.

@maxblinkhorn

3 жыл бұрын

@@FEURVERM The words "believer", "acolyte", and "flunky" spring to mind when I read your krazy komment. Of course, when the asteroid predicted by the holy man doesn't arrive, he will find himself feeling very stupid and even quite dead. You will be let down. And people will die for Musk's bonkersness.

@MDP1702

3 жыл бұрын

@@maxblinkhorn It isn't faith if it is already being implemented. Then it is more a matter of expecting improvement, just like we expect pc's, smartphones, EV's, ... to improve.

I thought u had 13 million subs wth ur so underrated

What happens when a car breaks down in the middle of a tunnel and can not get out?

@themortician1151

3 жыл бұрын

I think the have a solution but i am not sure. Look it up.

@Skinnymarks

3 жыл бұрын

Had this happen once when my transition just decided to stop existing as a transition. Had a cop shove me out of the road. Just stick the damn car in neutral and shove it out with another car. Not a big deal.

@realrojo7145

3 жыл бұрын

They will have access tunnels

@johnuferbach9166

3 жыл бұрын

and what happens if one catches fire?

@akyhne

3 жыл бұрын

@@Skinnymarks Really? So what if the next exit it 5 miles out? What if the car had cached on fire? How do you get a firetruck into the tube and to the fire, with hundreds of cars behind the burning car? And how do you save those people from dying from smoke inhalation?

Deeply sceptical about the earning potential of TBC. The over reliance on cars is already a severe problem for most countries and this is just another capacity increase. Capacity increase always leads to more traffic, instead capacity should go down and public spending should go to public transport.

Just commenting to please the algorythm gods, keep up the good content

Very informative....u will soon be a big you tuber.... congratulations 🎇🎁

Feeds cars one per minute, shows cars in adjacent lanes with 3 seconds separation. Riiiight...

@wintersknight9411

3 жыл бұрын

You understand that velocity can change, right?

@DinoAlberini

3 жыл бұрын

@@wintersknight9411 by not that much. Even if they were dropped in it would be slower feed than a normal tunnel

@wintersknight9411

3 жыл бұрын

@@DinoAlberini even still, thats just a demo video. It could just be an editing oversight.

@DinoAlberini

3 жыл бұрын

@@wintersknight9411 it’s pitching the project with unrealistic specs.

@wintersknight9411

3 жыл бұрын

@@DinoAlberini so says you

The wheel guards are no longer a thing btw. He stopped that a year or 2 ago

4:08 "dig deeper into" nice

Hmm, this is honestly pretty redundant and expensive idea. if you city is so dense you need cars underground, first thing you should be thinking about is public transit. One bus can take potentially ~50 cars off the road, trains and metro can take hundreds. I mean why would you make expensive tunnel for individual cars when you could use it for metro? And you don't need tunnels anyways if density is not enough so anywhere where one could use one of these Tesla tunnels, metro would make more sense. City trains from city center to area round city, metro for dense core areas and active bus network can handle pretty much any city's transit needs to unburden roads. After that it's just proper city planning. Actually smarter use for these tunnels would be some type of mini metro that branches out from actual metro stations. You could basically cover whole city easily in web to get anywhere. You could take even buses off the streets inside the city.

@jamesdellaneve9005

3 жыл бұрын

The cost of traditional subways is untenable for cities like Los Angeles. Feeder systems connecting existing roads in spread out cities is critical. Los Angeles is 50 miles wide. Right now, Elon is offering to make a tunnel from Pasadena to Ontario airport for less than extending an existing rail line. His costs are far less per mile than traditional transport agencies.

@jamesdellaneve9005

3 жыл бұрын

asdf The Tesla bus tunnel is being planned between Pasadena and Ontario Airport right now. That will be very feasible. It’s supposed to travel at 120 MPH and will be point to point. It’s not the car carrier idea that you’ve seen on videos. I think that these ideas do need development, however, the shear cost and length of time comparisons between Boring and legacy public projects are so far apart that we are at the point where there will never be more legacy styled public projects. They are simply unaffordable doing it the old way. Time will tell.

@joeyhamilton6854

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesdellaneve9005 not really, the the boring company has only reduced cost by drilling smaller tunnels. The actual drilling is not what makes subways so expensive it’s the stations and getting people down to the trains. You would need a couple thousand elevators all over LA to move a comparable amount of people.

@jamesdellaneve9005

3 жыл бұрын

Look at all of the cities where centralized public transit works. They are all (or nearly all) cities that were initially mapped out during the horse and buggy days. In other words, very small areas. Now, look for this in cities that are 50 miles wide. In order for it to connect everything like in a very dense area, you need 50 times more track/tunnels which means less density and much lower utilization. These systems don’t exist because they can’t make economic sense. I enjoy using these systems in the urban dense cities, but just saying “Why doesn’t X have this”? Is an over simplification. And it’s an apple oranges kind of thing.

@jamesdellaneve9005

3 жыл бұрын

joey hamilton If the boring company decided to make tunnels the same size as the train tunnels, they would still be able to dig them for a tenth of the cost. People have no idea as to the cost for the public sector in the US to do these projects. We are drastically higher than any other country (corruption). A decade ago, we approved a high speed train from LA to San Fran. They’ve spent over a billion at this point and have less than a mile of track laid. My friend is a structural engineer for public works projects. They are planning to build a huge highway interchange. The planning phase is over a decade and will spend nearly a billion before approval and construction. One last thing, a highway exit ramp here in California must undergo a 7 year environmental impact study. It was funny when Elon just started digging under LA. None of the bureaucrats knew what to do. He didn’t ask permission a;d they were all looking at each saying, “I don’t want to stop him do you?”

Your gonna get big quick, well done in advance, great video!

@OBFYT

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! :)

@bint2k

3 жыл бұрын

​@@OBFYT Honestly my friend, fabulous work. On all of your videos. Also Elon is going to build tunnels on Mars!

Alright you convinced me. Subbed. I watch a lot of Wendover, City Beautiful, Tom Scott type channels and the algorithm keeps recommending you so I bet you're going to take off pretty soon. I'd be interested in more videos about Denmark and Scandinavia btw- I'm sure you'll have some good insights.

"Barely"

Nice video, youtube actually recommended something good.

@AlfaToTheOmega

2 жыл бұрын

Here's an even better recommendation: "The VEGAS LOOP: Just As Stupid As You Think" by Adam Something kzread.info/dash/bejne/g6p_lMtyetvfZcY.html&ab_channel=AdamSomething

I saw an in depth video on this but I don't remember if it was scishow or real engineering. You should check them out

The loop is a ridiculous idea. Move a fraction of what a subway train would and you’re now in the centre of town with your car, back in traffic and looking for parking. Tunnels barely large enough for one vehicle may be cheaper but they’re a bad idea for practicality and safety. Freight might be the only semi-workable use case.

@kevinbailey8827

2 жыл бұрын

I agree that taking your car into the city through a tunnel, then parking it all day only to take it back out through the tunnel makes zero sense. I think the Loops we see built will all be closed to outside vehicles.

Cool, haven’t heard much on the cargo transport potential yet

@Skinnymarks

3 жыл бұрын

I have. Tho didn't know they might need a different kiff other than the tesla semi.

with metro systems they are cheaper to maintain then cars, they carry a lot more people and new signalling systems are coming so they will not be delayed.

@hughtorkelson5328

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah they are not doomed to be delayed. Have you seen japan’s metro systems? They’re almost never late. We should be investing more in better metro technology, not this mess.

@angussmith8915

2 жыл бұрын

its crazy that the dude who sells electric cars wants to produce an alternative to trains that uses electric cars

@hughtorkelson5328

2 жыл бұрын

@@angussmith8915 that’d be great and cool if he could actually get it to be equivalent to trains. This abomination can barely carry over 1200 people per hour. If he could get this to work with public transit on a larger scale I’m all for it.

turn on the subtitle please..

What's with that lift system and how long does that take to merge a car from this boring tunnel to whatever highway that car would end up on on the other side?

Love your videos. From India

Having seen cartoons of Musk's tunneling machine, it functions exactly the same as current TBMs. A giant, rotating rock crushing face (it will still need to stop to replace the cutting wheels when the wear) a conveyor to remove the tailngs, a second conveyor to bring in the pre=cast segments to line the tunnel. Musk says that the TBM will have 3x the power, that it going to make bricks out of rock (bricks need a binder such as clay) TBMs don't work very well in soft materials such as clay, sand and dirt (look up what happened when a TBM got stuck underground in Seattle )

@charlesbartlett2569

3 жыл бұрын

TBM hit a steel pipe in Seattle.

@Benetekt

3 жыл бұрын

@@charlesbartlett2569 It doesn't matter how the ground gets wet. TBMs will have a problem in wet terain. For every tunnel the ground needs to be measured and if there is to much liquid in the ground you will have to blast your way trough it.

@charlesbartlett2569

3 жыл бұрын

@@Benetekt I live and work in Florida where the water table is a few feet below the ground. I have worked on several tunneling projects. There is no problem tunneling through water. You have to use a clay slurry to maintain pressure at the cutting head so you don’t over excavate and remove too much soil material. Earth pressure balance machine (EPBM) is the type of tunneling machine for these soil conditions.

Your estimates seem too optimistic... But you're right about its underrated potential.

Any indication how they make these tunnels so cheaply? Understand reusing the excavated material is planned to be used to form the lining, but will that be enough to make sure the tunnels are stable, especially in an earthquake prone area like California?

@theuncalledfor

3 жыл бұрын

It seems to be mostly the diameter, tunneling speed, and the electric drivetrain for propulsion and drillplate. Less time spent tunneling means less man-hours and the boring machine is freed up for more jobs sooner so you need less of them. Smaller diameter means smaller tunneling machine. Electric drivetrain needs less maintenance, less ventilation, and less fuel/power costs. The usage of "waste" materials is apparently much less significant? Though still important.

@stanfrymann8454

3 жыл бұрын

It's mostly vaporware and hype. He is just using conventional drilling equipment. Nothing groundbreaking.

I thought this was about an uninteresting company at first glance

It was an amazing video and I really enjoyed it. However I have one thing that will help improve your video, it would be nice if you had a outro. Becous now the video ended abrupt. Just say som things like tanks for watching, have a niche day, don't forget to subscribe and like (people are more likely to subscribe if the video was great than if the haven't seen anything). I think that would make a difference on the overall experience Edit: I just wanted to add that the actual entertaining part of the video was perfect in my opinion

@OBFYT

3 жыл бұрын

You have taken the time to help me in the nicest way possible, by giving me actual constructive criticism. So first of all, thank you for that! But there is actually a reason for ending my videos "abruptly", and that has to do with Audience retention. Which is something that is very important to creators as KZread will recommend videos to more people the higher the Audience retention a certain video has. So ending the video "abruptly" after I have made my final point is the best way to keep the retention high at the end of the video. Because usually, a KZreadr like myself would experience a massive drop in retention towards the end of the video which is caused by viewers leaving. Why are they leaving? Well, because in their minds the video is over and you are basically keeping them there to say thank you and goodbye, which normally would be a great thing. But on KZread, time is everything. And unfortunately, no one want's to stick around when they know the video is over. And again thank you for taking the time to help me make better videos I truly appreciate it. And I hope I clarified it!

@theijebernaards7158

3 жыл бұрын

@@OBFYT oh, I totally forgot about that.

@OBFYT

3 жыл бұрын

I don't blame you haha as it isn't something many people have thought about. I have just spent a long time trying to figure out the algorithm.

The hypothetical delivery to “San Diego” only goes to a terminal in the region and would still need to be taken on a tractor-trailer to the final destination. The tunnel may take 60 containers per hour but how will the terminal dispatch or receive that many? How much land or excavation. is needed for that? Tunnelling is easy. It’s the stations, vehicles and control systems that are hard. Let’s see how they go at the LVCC with their capacity with four seat cars. A lot of hot air will be let out. It is still a viable system IMHO, but it is a niche system. It’s basically a subterranean Personal Rapid Transit system. It will be the first PRT in the US since Morgantown PRT opened in 1975. That was going to be the future of transit too.

@Taka.1011

3 жыл бұрын

Also your avarage train is and order of magnitude cheaper to buid (you don't need to tunnel trougth things) and still can be extremly fast and move way more than just 60 containers

@tjejojyj

3 жыл бұрын

@@Taka.1011 If the Boring Co figures are correct it might be closer than that. The tunneling saves on all the grade expensive separations for a railway. (FWIW I remain sceptical about the price per tunnel mile.) However the train line from Long Beach to San Diego already exists. There is no construction cost but there could be upgrades to improve average speed and minimise delays.

@Taka.1011

3 жыл бұрын

@@tjejojyj you are 100% correct. I was assuming that their price/mile was "extremly" generous.

@hadhamalnam

3 жыл бұрын

@@Taka.1011 Considering that it completely ignores operating costs of whatever transport system is used within in the tunnels and the way long distance tunnel building can vary wildly due to geology, especially in a place like California, you are probably right about that.

150 mph?! Lol... To whomever didn't yet see a review about the last Vegas loop, it's speed is about 35 mph max, with human drivers...

@schmetterling4477

2 жыл бұрын

Huh? When did Musk say that that tunnel would be operated at 150mph? Are you suffering from overactive imagination syndrome?

@johnniesalomon1942

2 жыл бұрын

@@schmetterling4477 Lol dude before you start denying anything, it's not just a quote, it's a literal CGI video that was produced and featured on national TV. The original video + commentary of Hyperloop, look it up and also look for the frontal talk Elon gave after this video hit nation wide TV... He says even greater than 150 mph, but even the smaller "pod" for 10 people don't even fit in the tunnel they dug.... Literally nothing he said came true, not even the self driving part, even though it's a tiny tunnel

@johnniesalomon1942

2 жыл бұрын

Vegas loop*

@bedwarscrypt

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnniesalomon1942 they are trying to get to self driving but yeah its bad

Good video, just a little suggestion: To me it felt like the video ended very abruptly, maybe a letting the music play for longer and fading out more slowly would help. Or a short "thank you for watching bla bla". Keep it up!

@OBFYT

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I am glad you liked it. But I do abrupt endings for a reason. Audience Retention. The longer I drag out the ending of my videos, the more people will leave the video prematurely which will creates a lower audience retention. Which will make the algorithm think that it isn't as good of a video and then it won't recommend it as much.

Another use for the tunnels could be for diverting a water source in bad flooding situations.

Maybe they make there specific type of containers.

u got my sub!

Will it ever be publicly traded?

Why should an underground freight train be faster than a normal train?

@MDP1702

3 жыл бұрын

It isn't necessarily faster I'd guess, but adding extra capacity to an above ground rail network isn't easy or cheap, so once a line runs at capacity everything more will cause delays. The idea of the boring tunnel is more that you can just create more capacity. There probably are other reasons too probaby though (like geography, interconnections on the rail line, ...)

Look up 'Cargo Souterrain' - project to have an underground cargo system in Switzerland, saidly never took off, had been around for over a decade.

All the utility lines that could be in that tunnel are just along the streets in Germany, one or two meters under the sidewalk. But each is separate, with some sand in between. (In dense areas, there are small utility tunnels for power and communication, with many branches) You need documentation of the layout, but every utility needs to know about its own plan only. You want to fix a water pipe? Just take care not to cut the phone lines. It is flexible: The layout is independent, there can be branches in one, but not the other line. And to connect a new home, you just need a small backhoe and splice in your water/electricity/gas/fiber lines (Communication is combined into one flexible pipe, where you can just add more cables by blowing them in with some pressured air. If there is glass fiber, I assume there are some extra dark fibers also.) With a tunnel, the flexibility just does not work. (Power and phone lines above the ground are even more flexible in the layout) So I would not expect it is helpful for utilities in that sense. But there are certainly specialty applications for these tunnels, it is just the tunnel for "other uses". Like the particle accelerator in your back yard, and under many neighbors' homes, for example.

@Benetekt

3 жыл бұрын

But why choose the Boring TBM for these things, they provide no advantage compated to TBMs of other companys, the cost saving Elon presented compare a fully build subway tunnel with traintracks and everything else, compared to a tube, that is put into the ground. If you correct his presentation and compare his tube in the ground with tubes manufactured with other TBMs, you would notice, that his tunnel costs exactly as much as any other tunnel. And it totaly makes sense, because is you just build a "traditional" TBM and put it into a fancy housing, you still have a traditional TBM.

I like how many people are tossing shit at this idea, just like the way "space enthusiasts" did back when he first announced SpaceX

@vatranauraio4827

2 жыл бұрын

we'll see... we'll see

Here since 900

yep i have been thinking about freight. automated trailer beds with third rail power, so no batteries. straight point to point tunnels from say san diego to houston, to hampton roads to NY. cross country cargo in hours. No weather delays, no trucker hours of service, etc.

@als8518

3 жыл бұрын

@ no reason for them to take to the final destination. the tunnel operator would just provide the tunnel service. As pure automated tunnel container bed, it would not need much of a suspension, nor much else other than the electric motors, at two wheels, some kind of basic steering and a frame. maybe a foam aerodynamic nose on each end. Basically maintenance-free, no battery charging time, and cost a fraction of a full vehicle with batteries. Hell, steer with drive motor speed control, then you dont even need a steering system.

TBM companies work in an extremely competitive market with constant innovation to handle constantly changing ground conditions. Speed is everything when it comes to cost. It’s hard to believe that one company can outperform the others by such a wide margin to get the cost down to $10 million per mile. It’s even harder to believe when they are all using the same TBM platform for tunneling. Eliminating expensive access shafts at entrances and exits saves a lot of money but all companies could do it.

If ants can live under tunnel, why can't we when it's proven under ground is safer during earthquakes.

So...the boring company just reinvented the.....road tunnel?

I see the potential where real estate is expensive but can't see any benefits elsewhere.

@dousiastailfeather9454

3 жыл бұрын

You still have to buy easements! Avocado growers will make big bucks! That land is priced somewhere around $20 to $50 million per section.

Earthquakes ?

This did not age well...

What if you get a flat tire at 150 MPH?????

@pinheirokde

3 жыл бұрын

In that small túnel you get a fast death or a slow one from craching or from not being able to escape your now burning car... You also get to kill most people on the túnel from the gasses...

Well, there was a traffic jam in the loop. Bummer.

This channel has good information but still doesn't have much subscribers Thank you OBF. Good work keep it up ...

This has most revolutionary potential of all his companies. Totally slashing cost of tunnels are so big. However, there is a sixth use of their tunnels not on the list Elon has vaguely mentioned as a reply on a question. Construction on other worlds. Construction on moon, mars and asteroid mining. You get shelter with much lower radiation. And the boring bricks all the sudden will be high value building material as its manufactured outside earth and doesn’t have to pay freight cost. Asteroid mining is believed to be a multi billion dollar industry within a few decades.

@colonelsanders4006

3 жыл бұрын

Construction on other planets will never happen. Ever. And neither will asteroid mining.

@macjonte

3 жыл бұрын

@@colonelsanders4006 I’m sorry man, this have been a tough year for everyone. Try to keep the spirit up for a while, in half a year we might start to see some light in the end of the tunnel. Meanwhile, there is still a lot to live for. Like the creativeness people are doing to survive. It’s inspirational if you are able to see it. Godspeed mr sanders.

@colonelsanders4006

3 жыл бұрын

@@macjonte don't be sorry good sir, I was merely implying that planets as we see them represented in science simply do not exist.

@macjonte

3 жыл бұрын

@@colonelsanders4006 I didn’t bite. ;)

@colonelsanders4006

3 жыл бұрын

@@macjonte no, but your mother did

I can see a tram in these tunnels. It would be like a mini-subway, and it could be integrated to the main subway lines. I can also see supply lines for local businesses in cities.

@johnuferbach9166

3 жыл бұрын

Local businesses don't have 10 million per mile though

@joaodecarvalho7012

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnuferbach9166 Several local businesses are close to each other. But this is something for city governments. They are the ones that may want to remove trucks from their streets.

@johnuferbach9166

3 жыл бұрын

@@joaodecarvalho7012 now that you say it.. in a city close by they did that in combination with an underground parking lot that also allows trucks to access some buildings underground

@joaodecarvalho7012

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnuferbach9166 The underground has great potential for cities, and is still little explored. I would send all the cars to there, and only leave pedestrians and bicycles on the surface.

@johnuferbach9166

3 жыл бұрын

@@joaodecarvalho7012 The underground also has great costs for anyone though :x

In your discussion of utility-purposed tunnels, you mention sewer pipes running through the tunnels. Sewer lines ideally follow downward-sloping topography so as to allow gravity to move the nasty stuff along in the general direction of the facility which "treats" the sewage. With a tunnel, though, topography can be ignored. You simply dig the tunnel so that it slopes downward by the required amount. When you get to the treatment plant the tunnel might be fairly deep below the surface. But it seems doable to create a large collection cavity below the treatment plant where sewage would accumulate, perhaps from several different tunnels serving different municipal regions. Submersible lift pumps would raise the effluent up to the surface where it would be treated. Note: the tunnel itself would be the pipe, it would not contain the pipe. This might require a more impermeable tunnel wall than would be the case for other uses. Conceptually, it seems to me, this construction technique would be radically less expensive than those currently in use. I'm not an engineer, so I may have overlooked something, but it seems to me that this would work.

@MDP1702

3 жыл бұрын

Problem might be how to get the sewage into these tunnels, the deeper the tunnel, the deeper a linking system and thus more expensive. Also what if something happens, you can't easily reach the sewage tunnels and easily swap out parts. Interesting idea, but a lot of things to consider.

this society - built around and based on individual transportation is a Huge mistake

@psychiatry-is-eugenics

3 жыл бұрын

honestly , I can’t , it’s filled with bs that is obvious to me . It requires too much work and maintenance Society is locked into individual transportation and his ideas may be of some value . But individual transportation will always be a huge mistake ; and nothing will fix or overcome that .

About 4 minutes in before I realized that you were not saying LUBE...

Bugger than I thought 🤯🤯

Because you asked nicely, I subscribed. :-)

Good job

Really good abalysis

The reason TBMS are expensive is that most use diamonds for the digging

It's just a tunnel, nothing amazing or new about it, any company that builds tunnels can do what the boring company does.

there are many channels giving almost continuous information about Space X and Telsa, but hardly anyone giving us anything about this look forward to more information

@simonquvang6073

3 жыл бұрын

Information about TBC isnt coming out as often as for SpaceX and Tesla. TBC is just doing less, and the work they do, is mostly done underground.

@balaji-kartha

3 жыл бұрын

@@simonquvang6073 that is for sure (their work is all underground) but is there no one on site who is watching and tweeting?

The thing that nobody talks about is the Nucular boring machine that the U.S. government has had for years.

Try and add subtitles ....... cc is easy .............. will increase your reach ...... love from Lucknow India

So many futuristic promises and no products.

When you truly think deep about the implications of Boring company tunnels used to move around water, you realize that this is not a tunneling and mass transit infrastructure company, but a Terraforming Company with the potential to reverse climate change by delivering the fuel (water) to the living machines needed for carbon removal (plants) and prevent/protect against flooding in the process. These are all the learnings and projects necessary to do, not only to improve and preserve life/civilization here on earth, but to colonize mars

If it can fit a standard (20ft?) shipping container, then why do they even bother with the loop? I mean, cars fit just fine in standard shipping containers (it kinda is how they are shipped), and depending on model and how daring you are you can fit one or two cars in each container (might require an angle), or even up to four cars for some models. Now think about that, now rather than one car per "routing unit" you will have 1-4 cars per "routing unit", this is a massive gain alone. But doing it with containers also mean you can really cut back on safeties (you just need to verify the box), you will get a technology-agnostic transportation (petrol car? just shut off the motor and have a forced convection until the air is clean enough before you ship it through the tube), will allow for upgrades (want a partially evacuated maglev in there? just switch the system to air tight containers and put a maglev bogie/truck on it), will allow much tighter feeding to the routing (have the slow parts (the "park on transport stuff") at an entry point, and the ship the containers off as soon as they are cleared), and it will allow for much tighter routing (people in a container don't scream if the container ahead is only a feet/30cm ahead, but in a car that can see outside many will panic). It also would allow you to chain the containers together and run then in a string, let's call that a "train"... (Basically with the current "loop" your routing and feed rates will basically top out of that of a normal road tunnel, but in reality will be a lot closer to a road tunnel with a traffic signals. A "freight loop" could get the routing and feed levels on the level of a small aircraft airport. And a "frieght loop train" could get it to the point of a low capacity train system. The "freight systems" would allow for massive upgrades and be goods angostic (allow for mixed traffic)) Basically - if you do it with shipping containers alone you basically just have re-invented a low-capacity train system (yes, a low capacity train system have a mindboggling capacity), but you would end up with a capacity a lot higher than the current set-up. (I'd guess their issue is that if they would re-invent a low-capacity train it would make it obvious for people to compare it to trains rather than cars, and trains are ruthlessly effecient while cars are basically the antithesis of efficiency)

@MDP1702

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think the idea is to keep the routing unit longterm, rather have the cars autonomously drive in the tunnels, meaning they just drive in, go on, drive out without any extra steps. I don't think they'd ever let petrol cars in, even with a routing unit, this goes against Musks goal to electrify transport. Moreover by 2030 most new cars sold are likely to be electric, and by 2040 there probably won't be petrol cars sold anymore except for niche models. By 2050 finding a petrol car on the road is likely going to be very difficult. Therefor it is rather wastefull to try and include petrol cars in the boring tunnel concept. semi evacuated maglev (or essentially hyperloop), would most likely get their own boring tunnels if hyperloopcompanies decide to work together with the Boring company. For now it doesn't seem like boring company is going to go into the hyperloop concept in any other way than as a tunneling partner, but we'll see I guess. The idea also is that automated driving with (possibly) communicating cars can act as a train, just without the interlinking and therefor is much more flexible (adding, detracting "wagons"). Putting cars in a container or something similar seems like a lot more hassle for not really much gain comparatively. The advantage of the train is more the rails than anything else once automated driving is on point (which will be easier to get done in a closed off environment like the boring tunnels). As for the panic, people will get used to it and they won't be allowed to take control of the car while in the tunnel, most likely they'll either just be checking something/waiting or on longer trips distracting themselves with videos, games, talking, music, ... People that are afraid of the close distance can even just keep their eyes closed or something similar. People can get used to a lot of things, if you put people from 100+ years ago in a car on the driveway they'd freak out (even if they know everything). Humans are rather good in adapting.

@Herr_U

3 жыл бұрын

@@MDP1702 If they have the cars themselves go there they they are in effect limited to about 180-200kph and with horrible efficencies - having dedicated routing containers would allow for having proper rolling (or maglev) stock (and also to do mixed freight at "volume"). I'd still be in the workforce by 2050 and I know petrol cars still will be common for me - but I'm one of those that gets called upon for some grid issues (electrical cars suck when the grid is down for more than a few hours). But also, having a setup for petrol cars would also allow for hydrogen cars, and as stated it would also allow for a modified atmosphere tunnel - so no need to have separate solutions for if you want to do boring or hyperloop. Rails, being able to stack in height(!), controlled airflow (resistance), booms/shockwaves whenever a joining tunnel merges (or tunnel openings), strict service schedules (breakdown will be a fun issue otherwise). Cars are quite frankly horrible in terms of effeciency (even when alone). (For the shockwaves alone - take a look at the generations of shinkansen, the "nose" are all about shockwave mitigation) And yet we still have people afraid of flying... it will limit your market. Basically doing a hyperloop with automobile carriages ("normal cars") will impose some rather drastic limits (well beyond what anyone who've never been near germany will have experienced, but even so...) If you want to get "really out there" in what "shoving cars into containers" would allow for - imagine driving into a container, taking a nap, and waking up far away with a fully charged car (nothing that prevents you from doing catenaries to the containers), or if you also have a station near a lake (black sea, caspian sea, the great lakes) have it routed onto a ground effect vehicle. Basically the concept of a non-standardized unit imposes huge limitations.

@MDP1702

3 жыл бұрын

@@Herr_U *If they have the cars themselves go there they they are in effect limited to about 180-200kph* 180-200kph is way more then on the highway, limited to doesn't fit this sentenced. Most trains are slower then that, only highspeed rail is better, and you don't want to use a high speed train that is bigger than these cars in a small tunnel, that wouldn't be doable. Honestly 180-200kph is actually very optimistic, for cars I expect more like 150-160kph and for freight more like 100-120 kpm at most. Any higher you essentially need to start looking at the hyperloop concept with a semi-vacuum. *and with horrible efficencies* And how would this be different with a routing container exactly? This will be less aerodynamic, thus have much more drag. *having dedicated routing containers would allow for having proper rolling (or maglev) stock* With other words you are talking about a hyperloop, not the boring tunnel concept anymore, these are two distinct concepts. *I'd still be in the workforce by 2050 and I know petrol cars still will be common for me* How do you know that? Why would it still be common for you? *(electrical cars suck when the grid is down for more than a few hours).* For this you most likely would have EV with much greater range, or indeed a petrol car, like I said petrol can possibly still be used in niche circumstances. But then you might have to take some extra petrol with you in jerry cans, since petrol station will likely have become very uncommon by then. *But also, having a setup for petrol cars would also allow for hydrogen cars* Hydrogen cars don't stand a chance: expensive, not much more range than many EV's, expensive hydrogen stations that are rather few in numbers, high hydrogen prices, terrible efficiency, ... Hydrogen in personel vehicles will only be a niche product, if it isn't scrapper completely. Ofcourse this is unless hydrogen cars suddenly make extreme jumps forward, which is rather unlikely. *so no need to have separate solutions for if you want to do boring or hyperloop.* They have completely different goals. Yes, hyperloop might work together with hyperloop companies, but boring company tunnels and the tesla system won't suddenly be changed to a hyperloop concept, just not going to happen. *Rails, being able to stack in height(!), controlled airflow (resistance), booms/shockwaves whenever a joining tunnel merges (or tunnel openings), strict service schedules (breakdown will be a fun issue otherwise). Cars are quite frankly horrible in terms of effeciency (even when alone). (For the shockwaves alone - take a look at the generations of shinkansen, the "nose" are all about shockwave mitigation)* Again, this is more hyperloop, not the boring tunnel concept. *Basically doing a hyperloop with automobile carriages ("normal cars") will impose some rather drastic limits* This isn't even a discussion, the boring company doesn't do hyperloop, the using cars in boring company tunnels has nothing to do with hyperloop, that is a completely different issue/concept. It seems you are mixing 2 different concepts that have nothing to do with eachother, other then that the boring company could make tunnels for both and do both: tunnels with cars for shorter trips, tunnels for hyperloop for long trips. Hyperloop needs tracks of at least 10-20 km just to get up to speed (depending on the acceleration and topspeed) and another similar distance to slow down. That means you need at least a track of 20-40km, probably a lot more, since you don't want to be constantly accelerating and decelerating. Hyperloop is great to connect cities, however it isn't usefull to connects smaller area's, like part of a city, city with suburbs, a track with stops/offramps 'quite often', .... In other words the boring company Tesla/EV tunnel is meant as something more like regular streets and highways, only with faster speeds and no real traffic, the hyperloop is meant as a replacement of high speed rail systems, to connect cities/area's of large distances.

Nice video

Why would autonomous cars need rear view mirrors in a single track tunnel? How do you reach a car that is disabled with possibly injured passengers?

@MDP1702

3 жыл бұрын

The point would be that 'regular' cars can drive in it, ie. people get there car into the tunnel to avoid above ground traffic, they still need to have the rear view mirrors for regular driving. Also dedicated transport vehicles for these tunnels are unlikely to have rear view mirrors. As for a disabled cars with injured passengers, that only seems possible in case of an accident, we'll still have to see how often this happens and if necessary they'll create specially designed emergency vehicles and trained personnel, though again, the question is how likely of an occurance this would be. If you get injured passengers due to something not caused by the car, the car could just drive them to the nearest exit point (an emergency button might be nice) and maybe even raise an alarm beforehand. As for a disabled car in the tunnel without injured passengers, it probably would depend on how it is disabled, in most cases it would just be towed to the nearest exit most likely, though I don't really see many reasons as to why a car would have this happened. In all cases I guess there likely will be an emergency protocol clearing the tunnel and if on that location you have multiple tunnels (different routes or for extra capacity), cars would likely get redirected untill the tunnel is clear. Ofcourse there isn't just a great solution for these kind of problems, but that isn't really different from accidents above ground, which can cause massive traffic jams etc. and with the accident site not always easily reachable due to this traffic. I do think any car entering the tunnel most likely would need to be certified (ie definitey yearly check up etc), it helps that EV's have less things than can break and cause a car to crash/come to a standstill on its own. And automated systems tend to be safer, especially when they all are automated and thus no real unexpected behaviours happens.

Another great informative video thank you.

@OBFYT

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

The algorithm has shined upon you this day. Great video, well produced and well scripted. Subscribed. All hail the algorithm.

The bricks made from creating the tunnels are going to be free for affordable housing projects & there really cheap yet strong.

@dousiastailfeather9454

3 жыл бұрын

I want a brick! It will be my SPECIAL little brick...

Why do people say the boring company 'can' do these things? At best they 'are going to', but realistically its 'they claim they will'. Its exciting to see if they could do it but so far they have achieved none of these things

I d be careful with this one, in most countries infrastructure is a government domain, and yes this will ultimately be Boring companies largest costumers, but as far as I know the boring company will not own these tunnels they will just build them.

Didn't know about the freight aspect. I wonder how many containers are sent from LA to San Diego weekly/monthly/ yearly. I'm thinking that most are not sent by ship but by truck and train. Because of time and logistics. Using FSD electric semis might be better for a significant % of these containers. You can build a lot of them for 1.2 Billion.

@terrysullivan1992

3 жыл бұрын

Subscribed too.

@naguoning

3 жыл бұрын

High volume container routes are usually serviced by trains or boats (the latter can be the most efficent). For low volume routes or short haul trucks can make sense and Tesla might do well with those but I can't see how boring tunnel can ever be cheap given that roads are effectively government subsidized for trucks in many countries as the roads were paid for by governments. Trains have a fundamental physics advantage over road vehicles (metal on metal with smooth rolling, rubber tyres have more friction loss).

LVCC was really great marketing campaign. Did not't deliver what was promised, did not delivered what was required in the project, didn't even meet basic safety regulations and is totally useless. LOL

The loop is basically a metro but bad

Space mining and creation of habitation / hydroponics on Moon and Mars .

Also with this new design they can have an underground metro that goes multiple levels and can also send independent carts rather than a whole train so in turn it can send multiple carts to different locations from one location so every stop could be a like a bus station to anywhere at all times.

@theuncalledfor

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine Tesla vans or minibuses, with like 9 or more seats each, controlled by a central algorithm to always carry as many passengers as reasonably possible, maximizing transport efficiency, with every single passenger having a short and efficient route to their destination, spending as little time as possible in transit.

people still believe he is a visionary ! LOL ! even in movies they had those ideas decades ago. he was watching AI surely.

@EASTSIDERIDER707

3 жыл бұрын

Elon is doing what others dream of.

@MDP1702

3 жыл бұрын

Why does it matter that people already though of this in the past as a science fiction/future concept, Musk is just trying to make it a reality.

credit where credits due, you promised something nobody else is reporting on. and that you delivered 👏

You don't blame me for having heard of something? Umm okay. Thanks, I guess?

Well your freight cost/idea isn’t as simple as you made it sound. The $1000 you mentioned from LA to San Diego is to door, meaning container is pickup at port LA and delivered directly to consignee in SD. If, let’s say, they go into a tunnel pipeline there would have to be door deliver from the “tunnel” terminal in SD to final consignee, which would be 500-700 per 20’/40’ + cost of tunnel. You would also need a truck to move it from port terminals (where vessels berth) to the “tunnel” terminal. Unless tunnel is located close to Long Beach you are looking at additional 400-500. It’s way more likely California (maybe NV, NM, AR) FCL deliveries will be serviced by an autonomous fleet of i.e. Tesla Semis

@johnuferbach9166

3 жыл бұрын

Also how much does it cost to just move the container by truck?^^

Loop is nothing but cars driving in the tunnel.

The people at the company are not treated well

The Loop system videos that shows Open holes as the car carrier lift drops below the surface without any guard rails around it makes no sense. Only a PR Job, these would need guard rails surrounding the hole until an automated cover secures the holes. I would expect in the end this would be a drive in entrance with at least concrete and glass walls on three sides and a good sized barrier on the entrance which will be camera controlled as it recognizes a correctly sized vehicle nears the Loop access. Health and safety first, never mind about the law suits from people falling into the access holes.

I have said this before and will say this again, the container business will make them billions..

Damn....I had thought that I forgot to subscribe was about to then good thing I didn't. Hearing all the Praise of Elon & Boring was ridiculous & just incorrect.