Yes I messed up with "Judaeo-Christian cross". I messed that up with Abrahamic xD This video will be updated in future, as a few people have pointed out that there are ties to the novel "Fire Caste" which I completely missed.

Torso wound, and the phrase: "Do I still dream?". It's a psychic manifestation of the Emperor. The appearance is how the Emperor sees himself. The religious aspect is a side effect of the worship of the Emperor and the power he derives from it.

@kriegskorpsman6136

6 жыл бұрын

Makes sense.

@owenthomas2914

6 жыл бұрын

and the fact that his 'savage but compassionate' nature somehow gets miss-read by his followers as 'you must get even more murderously intolerant' fits The Emperor's particular strain bad luck to well not to be.

@ilo3456

5 жыл бұрын

It would be interesting if it was a psychic echo from the Emperor's fractured psyche.

@tehwubbles

5 жыл бұрын

Sounds like it's supposed to be jesus to me

@bobross9581

5 жыл бұрын

@@tehwubbles but Sanguinius is perms dead.

It's Iosif Gurdjief from Peter Fehervari's other book - The Fire Caste Giant of a man, leader of a (chaotic in nature) cult whose motto was "The Emperor Condemns" and his last words were literally "Is this a dream?"

@viscera_atrocity

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, it's rather explicit. The only question is how come he arrived to Angels Penitent- but, it's not the only time someone who found their end on Phaedra then arrived in another part of the galaxy. It's a lot more mystical than the usual WH40K fare.

So you're telling me the emperor isnt a five story tall, golden skinned, demigod with perfect hair?

@bluestormpony

6 жыл бұрын

nope thats just his OC

@mouseketeery

5 жыл бұрын

Nope. Well, apart from the hair. He has great hair.

@Xo-3130

4 жыл бұрын

Nulls saw just a man. A man with the emperor's features but just a man.

@Chris-et2fm

3 жыл бұрын

Still, if Big E didn't want to be considered a god why did he project an image of a 20' tall immortal warrior in golden armour with an actual halo wielding a flaming sword of vengeance...

@insertedgynamehere

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, dude was a psycher and biomancer, so he could probably change his size

Turns water into the blood of his enemies.

@annelisemeier283

6 жыл бұрын

KainMcnab reverse Jeebus

Real talk: The martyr's probably some Dark Eldar Wych's -living sextoy- plaything that she figured out a way to make semi-perpetual and then got bored with and left for dead on the planet where the Angels Resplendent were based. That or Macha lost her living 'Emperor of Mankind body pillow.'

@luckiller019

6 жыл бұрын

STOP! before you inspire some deviant to write a fapfick.

@scottforrester5306

6 жыл бұрын

GW MAKE THIS CANON

Don't mind me, just scattering religious analogue avatars on Astartes worlds for a laugh. At least they didn't crucify it like the Ultramarines did. Some cheeky blighter on Macragge's read a Bible and I thought I had the last one.

@Sir_Bucket

4 жыл бұрын

Malcador you naughty boy

@lukenel29

3 жыл бұрын

gods dammit malcador.

I'd certainly like to hear more about this "last remnant of Christianity in 40k" you've brought up.

@Mondy667

6 жыл бұрын

BigBroLittleSis1 It's basically the last remnants of the Catholic Church.

@danielhogan6255

4 жыл бұрын

Wiped out a long time ago. Christ and his Father may of exsisted once in the warp, however it is extremely unlikely, as the worship of thousands if not millions of planets is required to birth a god in the warp, add in the emperors purging of human theology on ancient terra(earth, our time) the only thing left for you to learn about is pious and "the last priest on earth" of which died with his faith after the Emperor placed a "vision from God" within his mind, then informed him of this, asked the priest to join him, then burned him alive within the church once refused.

@Astavyastataa

4 жыл бұрын

Ollanius Pius was a Catheric if I’m not mistaken. Or someone who survived into the 30th millennium.

@nicodemuswhodak536

4 жыл бұрын

@@danielhogan6255 or one murder

@nicodemuswhodak536

4 жыл бұрын

@Roboute Guilliman I mean the rebelling favorite son against his all powerful father is pretty on the nose with satan fall from heaven. Ya know ?

I feel that the quote "do I still dream" has some significant meaning to this equation. What was he dreaming, who was he in this "dream"? Also, why was the battle-cry changed to "The emperor condemns"? I feel the theory of him being a fragment of the Emperor is highly possible, being unable to recall exactly who he is, having fragmented memories of times like The Unification War and the Great Crusade, as well as other times of glory and a hopeful future, hence the feeling of a dream-like state of what he feels must have been pure fantasy. As for the Battle-Cry becoming "The Emperor Condemns", this in my mind could be two things, one being extreme fanaticism of the already radical imperial cult, furthering the worship of the Emperor as a god-like being, or it could be eluding to the fact that the Emperor was against everything his Imperium has become, and condemns the current Imperium for straying away from the Imperial Truth and the Emperors teachings of old.

@Markos_Malitsos

6 жыл бұрын

This does make a lot of sense

@danielhogan6255

4 жыл бұрын

Your second theory is bang on as far as Emp's view on his current imperium, he WOULD wholly condemn this current imperium in almost every way.

@AzraelSoulHunter

3 жыл бұрын

Actually you will know who he is from novel Fire Caste.

We all know the human who stood against Horus was a mere mortal. Custodes and Astartes just be jelly and petty trying to claim they were the ones that had such massive balls (but we ALL know those got gelded off long ago).

@jb03hf

3 жыл бұрын

I like TTSD's take on this - which is basically. Yeah.. a human did it.. and then a terminator and customers also did it to prove how cool they were as well...

@Chris-et2fm

3 жыл бұрын

Ollanius 'Ol' Adamantium Balls' Pius'

Each time I watch one of these, I fall a bit deeper into the lore and try working up some theories myself. This is an amazing and motivating factor!

@flameguilherme

6 жыл бұрын

Heresy

@ManticoreDave1066

6 жыл бұрын

If I am guilty of anything it is the simple pursuit of knowledge!

@lordclangtheintolorable2094

5 жыл бұрын

@@ManticoreDave1066 **KILL THE HERITIC**

@danielhogan6255

4 жыл бұрын

Red Lion DAMNED HERETIC!!! Knowledge???? KNOWLEDGE?!?!? This ones chaotic taint will destroy us all!

First of all, if the Martyr *was* a Shard of the Emperor (or a Shard inflicting a normal Man), it would also explain his Wounds, as they seem to mimic the Wounds, the Emperor received from Horus. But I also have another, while lazy, Idea: The Martyr was a Creation of Tezeentch. It depends on, how good the Angels Resplendent were at detecting a demonic Influence, but if it was a Human who was somehow influenced by the Chaos God to have these Wounds (for example being wounded by Cultists) while being kept alive by Tzeentch's Power and then being send straight to the Fortress Monastery of the Angels Resplendent, to make them believe, he was some kind of Martyr of the Emperor, it would explain the religious fanaticism that turned the Chapter into the Angels Penitent. Think about it...the Emperor himself was absolutely against Religion, yet the Martyr turned the Chapter into Fanatics. We know by now, that the Religious Aspects of the Imperium are one of the main Things hurting it. Yet another Astartes Chapter - one of the main military Powers in the Imperium - being turned into a highly religious Cult hurts the Imperium more, than it helps. Also think about, that only the Librarians - *Psykers* - were not affected by it and were conveniently slain by their former Brothers.

@russellelswick7238

5 жыл бұрын

but was the emperor really that anti-religion? you know, with creating his own cult of personality, allowing other cults to exist (ie ad mech), making his warriors appear as angels, and setting himself up as the God-Emperor of mankind? I mean really, the dude is a psychic and lived millennia to see thousands of religions and enigmatic leaders rise and fall but didn't have the clairvoyance to see the Ecclesiasty or the Imperial Creed coming? I don't buy that. Dude was just trying to consolidate his power, and probably knew that if humanity didn't worship him en mass there would be no real hope for them in the warp. And the religious aspect of the Imperium is one of the few things saving it. The combined faith and sacrifices of billions is what gives humans an afterlife in the warp, brings about powerful manifestations like the Living Saints, and helps keep the warp at bay.

@StarkeRealm

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, even without the deeper analysis, simply the part where the psykers were the only ones who didn't sign on with this, is a massive red flag, and we know psykers can sustain themselves through absolutely horrific injuries.

With the discription of boils and wounds, could he be a Nurgle worshipper of some kind? Maybe blessed by Nurgle to divide a Chapter and cause a civil war?

@chrisnichols807

6 жыл бұрын

The Warhammer Podcast thought the same thing

@dwreanchinotan

6 жыл бұрын

those chaplains would have been shit interrogators then.

@KevVIII

6 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly! Glad that I wasnt alone in this thought. To be fair... chaplains are essentially a creation of Word Bearers that was implemented after Council of Nikaea... I dont exactly trust them all too much.

@peterquint3816

6 жыл бұрын

This guy turns up covered in wounds and sickness and proceeds to create a civil war within some loyalist astartes getting the librarians, the guys best equiped to fight chaos, killed - sounds like chaos to me, probably Nurgle.

@KevVIII

6 жыл бұрын

Peter Quint Not only that, Papa Nurgle is directly opposed to Tzeetch, who is fond of psychers and sorcery. The more I see this story, the more I see heresy and chaos

What about a living saint, that would explain the Martyr's endurance and appearance while also giving a reason for the religious views that he shared with the Angels Penitent

@phreakazoith2237

6 жыл бұрын

The appearance of living saints is much different. You recognize one if you see them.

This is clearly a Sensei. And just like the Hades Anomaly is going to be a plot point if GW pays attention to it.

@Echo.wolf172

6 жыл бұрын

Zazie The Beast ygbtm?=_=\

@zaziethebeast1039

6 жыл бұрын

It could be a Sensei that became a perpetual. Remember, Emps is a perpetual too.

@xethra8549

6 жыл бұрын

That makes sense cause all of the male sensei are perpetual

@Yarkoonian

4 жыл бұрын

Hades anomaly

Wow, no suggestion of the Martyr having lived due to intervention by one of the Chaos Gods? I'm suprised.

@pclone5019

4 жыл бұрын

@Elijah Bowers Good point.

Blisters, boils and open mortal wounds? Sounds like Nurgle to me

To those who want to know more about the Angels Resplendent before they are all "Codemn everything" they are the focus of the book The Reverie by Peter Fehervari which just came out this last October. Will make you rethink any and all of your guesses to who the Martyr is.

The undying martyr does not need to be perpetual, to live through seemingly mortal wound. Possibilities: 1) a ruse from Alpha legion to instigate the civil war inside the chapter. Legion witouth librians is much less capable to fight chaos, and psykers of xenos, or traitorus armies. And if the Alpha legion was capable to disguise THEIR personnel as the fallen enemies to infiltrate the enemy army DURING BATTLE, it may be possible, that they know how to make the victim to survive griveous wound, or how to make the would look much more severe, than it is. And than use either trained operative, or unknowing imperial citizen with hypnotic orders. 2) Blessings of chaos can lead into such extreme fortitude, but i can not belive, chaos would bless such a zealot. Maybe "for fun", or as a part of some elaborate plan to fuck the chapter and consequently their part of the galaxy by some strong chaos entity (tzeench anyone? ) 3) sensei (much bigger chance to BE a perpetual). Being a ofspring of the emperor, to share physical apperance with him. 4) imperial saint reincarnating either VERY late after his demise, or in different part of the galaxy, than where he was wounded. 5) some yet unknown perpetual. 6) xenos, heretic, mutant, or other enemy of imperium in a clever disguise, to split (and eventually thin) the chapter residing there.

Could possibly be a fragment of emps? maybe his lost compassion? Does anyone else get the feeling that the Inquisitio wants to kill he Sensei because they actually don't want big E to come back? talk about hit hitting the fan, emps is going to be PISSED when he finds out about the Inquisition and what they've been doing.

Damn good episode!

@Nyctophora

6 жыл бұрын

Aye, a really good one.

He was a Commissar. An Angry Commissar.

@annelisemeier283

6 жыл бұрын

HereticalBLOODRAVENS!! drive me closer, I wanna hit them with my sword

*Playing Warhammer Armageddon - Da Orks* *Sees 40k theories notification* Damn it Inquisitor, I'm busy WAAAGHing on Armaged-er, examining greenskin battle strategy. Yeah, that.

@Hellhound23691

6 жыл бұрын

Internet Zen Master [BLAMMING INTENSIFIES]

@PrusskiyMir

6 жыл бұрын

"Greenskin battle *strategy*" What a funny joke, bruva! Your humour is truly blessed by Our Shield and Protector The Emperor!!

JAYSUS IN Sphasssss!!!!

If you want to know who the Undying Martyr is, the answer is on the "Dark Coil" series.

If he's a Perpetual, he could easily be (another) previously heard of one. If he's a fragment of the Emperor it opens up a lot of possibilities. I don't know what the truth is. Thank you for highlighting this part of the lore which I'd missed!

What happened to the Martyr after the civil war ?

So, A weird Jesus?

What if the undying martyr is just sly marbo

My theory for why Imperious would be an avatar of the emperor is that after being interred in the golden throne the emperor needed more power to fight off the chaos gods and form things like living saints and the legion of the damned. With renewed understanding of the warp the emperor commanded those who he led to worship, discovering that the warp manifests belief and emotion. In essence every human in the entirety of the Empire worshiping the emperor and not just thinking but believing him to be a god causes him to gain power. Manifestly similar to orcish Waaagh! which itself I believe to be a form of warp energy engineered into them by their progenitors.

"Do i still dream" seems like something one might say after waking up or leaving a strange place or realm. Because of that Im inclined to think that the undying martyr was an ecclesiarch whose soul bonded with one of the emperors fragments within the warp as he died which the fragment then used to anchor itself to the materium

Been wanting to know more about these guys. Wanted to run these guys on the tabletop since I like their paint scheme.

Could it be possible that this Martyr guy is the proto-Primarch, Angel? An entity so devout that The Emperor had to take him down, and so tough that even Emps couldn't finish the job. Plus, when taken down, Emps told Angel to "Dream of Peace". Just a though.

He's not the Undying Martyr, he's a very naughty boy!

Just a note, Vulkan's mind wasnt damaged by his reincarnation, it was damaged by Conrad Curze's torture.

That sure sounds a lot like Jesus

**Spoilers for Fire Caste and the Dark Coil series below** The Undying Martyr is Confessor Yosiv Gurdjief from Fire Caste. Just before he "dies" in that novel he suffers wounds exactly as described on the Undying Martyr. The description of both characters in terms of physical traits, emotional state and twisted, horrific fanaticism are exactly the same, as is the credos that both of them preach: The Revelation of Lethe, i.e. that "The Emperor Condemns." Gurdjief is a fantastic and interesting character. A man who lost himself in a Warp-twisted jungle, making an infinite, decades-long pilgrimage alongside a T'au warrior so broken by his ordeals he describes himself as belonging to the caste of "smoke". The twisting and writhing fate he inflicted on his superiors, and later his lover, and the beauty he saw in her corrupted, screaming form. In terms of how he got to the fortress monastery, that's for readers of the Dark Coil 40k series to understand. For twisted and barbed is the path that Gurdjief and the Angels Penitent walk, and nothing is chance...

@40KTheories

4 жыл бұрын

I had no idea about this, thank you for bringing this to my attention.

@pontifexaurum

4 жыл бұрын

@@40KTheories no problem! The thing with Fehervari's series is that all of his books, no matter how short, can be linked to many others he's written. Many of them share characters, and the way they can be introduced will often make you jump up in disbelief. Fire Caste, Requiem Infernal, Fire and Ice and the upcoming angels penitent novel are books I really recommend you have a look through. Stuff like the Steamblood Zouaves, the Dolorosa Coil, the Spiral Dawn, the Lethean Revelation, the Virtues Incarnate, Redemption-219/Vytarn - many cool additions to the lore!

Roboute uses now the Emps sword. Actually big thing... Was the Emp really small?. In theory Magnus and him could influence in human perception, thats part of the unnatural charisma of these guys.

@robot2024

5 жыл бұрын

The emperor could alter his size at will

ITS A DAEMON.

From what I am understanding, the most likely theory is that the Martyr is someone named "Yosiv Gurdjief" from the W40k book Fire Caste. He suffered a very similar wound and his body was in a river, and his physique seems to match up from what I've read so far. The real question however is why and how?

When you say a perpetual can be created by xenos tech. Is it a particular type of tech or just when humans come into contact with it. If so has his affected gulliman?

@Duppyman695

3 жыл бұрын

I believe with bobby G it was The Armour of Fate, which he removed during Plague War.

A very VERY clever and patient follower of nurgle

So the "Emperor" seen in Imperial art, is naught but a psychic construct generated by an ancient psyker?

@MisterBones2910

6 жыл бұрын

Right there in the passage, it's "glamour." Glamour being one of the powers ascribed to Fae creatures in old European superstition; it basically causes faeries and things associated with them to not appear as they are to people viewing them. An ugly, gaunt little horror might appear as a fair maiden to a man until they touch, the glamour is dissolved, and the man is transported to another realm to whatever malevolent ends they captured him for. A pile of gold in the middle of a forest could turn out to be a heap of filth that is only revealed to you when you get back to town having risked your life a number of times hauling it. He might or might not even be generating the image consciously, too; it could just be inherent to him now that mankind all "believes" in him as the Emperor.

when you started describing a man covered in wounds that caused a chapter to go insane over time, my first thought was "ohhhh shit this is Nurgle' isn't it" so i'm surprised to be wrong!

This is so interesting. Id like to know more about the empiror's children.

Worth noting is that the Librarians, the only psykers of the chapter, didn't like the Martyr. So what did they sense in him?

Bounced on my boy's martyr to this

@pest_

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I like eggs YEET

I think CHAOS! Particularly the one with feathers because he would get a kick out of watching a chapter of the Emperor’s finest tear it’s self apart this way and we know that he has tried to turn both the Blood Angels and the Blood Drinkers specifically, it would seem the Changer of Ways is looking for away to get the Sons of Sanguinius to his cause, of course the Blood God is another possibility as this chapter went from having the lowest rate of Black Rage to either just below or just above the Flesh Tearers, more like the latter as I don’t think even Seth Gabriel’s troops lose Scout Marines to the Black Rage!

@shikatsu

6 жыл бұрын

Sounds more like papa nurgle though, the wounds and rot and such...

@kwazooplayingguardsman5615

6 жыл бұрын

Drew Johnson "I think the emperor is chaos, most likely the khorne kind, I mean, who would most gain from a massive bloody galactic crusade than khorn" This is how you sound right now.

@drewjohnson-85

6 жыл бұрын

kwazooplayingguardsman ok let’s provide you with the understanding of the story you lack here yes the wounds are made to remind the modern reader of Jesus but as with the Emperor of Mankind these are just superficial similarities, want proof the entire basis of the Christian religion is salvation through Jesus Christ the entire basis of the Imperial Creed is the Emperor Protects, this is self evident even to an atheist amateur theologian, So to be a little poetic as Jesus would say you would know him by his fruits, the fruits of the imperial creed are strong fanatical chapters that may not protect the individual Imperial citizen but do protect the Imperialum as a whole, this chapter went from being at near full strength to Who’s strong sense of art kept them with a very small death company to having the largest death company And battle brothers afraid of their own, read the Horace heresy thats how loyalist Lunar Wolves felt in the Sons of Horace right before the drop site massacre, that’s the fruits of chaos the question is which god? Grandfather Nurgel the Lord of Change or the Blood God?

@drewjohnson-85

6 жыл бұрын

kwazooplayingguardsman and yes I’m long winded but unlike some here I don’t try to troll other who just trying to have a little fun asking questions about a fictional universe I get into it

@kwazooplayingguardsman5615

6 жыл бұрын

Drew Johnson aren't you tired of every single plot or happening in 40k is chaos related?

To be honest, the sensei part of the theory seems more plausible, due to the fact “The final perpetual was discovered” but one part bothers me about the sensei part, why would the sensei go to the Astartes, because the Sensei wander throughout the galaxy. In contrast to the servants of the Emperor, but the Sensei are natural rebels. They appear across the Imperium to fight against repression and injustice. In this way, they often come into conflict with the Imperium. So why seek refuge with Astartes?? It is still a possibility.

@tuppytheducky

6 жыл бұрын

the rebel sensei came to a chapter and started a civil war in the ranks.

@LtVulpine

6 жыл бұрын

True, and makes “some” sense

Blessing of Nurgle at all possible

Boils, ignoring otherwise fatal wounds, driving space marines crazy... dude clearly works for papa nurgle

11:22 yANUS

Space Marine ost on the background....great choice man..

Actually Vulkans mind was shattered from being repetitively killed by one of the traitor primarchs before he was sent to macragge. I think it was Fulgrim but can't remember for sure. He got frustrated cause Vulkan wouldn't stay dead no matter what he did to kill him

"That's a question to be answered another time" and by another time he means never.

"There can be only one" - Highlander

What if the Undying Martyr is not a perpetual at all, but is instead a Nurgle agent. The many diseases and ability to display unnatural vigor even in the face of near mortal wounds are a trait that worshippers of Nurgle share, and while such trickery is normally not Nurgle's way, the fact that the presence of this Martyr threw a Space Marine chapter into civil war is a Chaotic thing. Also note that the entire Librarium stood against the Chaplains in this. Perhaps they could sense the warp taint on the Martyr while the psychically ungifted Chaplains were blinded by the guile of the Martyr.

Wait, what's the music in the video? That sounds familiar. Is that a Space Marine OST? Anyway, I really enjoyed that change :)

hey the music is brutally awesome, can you give us a link to it?

Heh, it appears they now keep the Nikea Decree since the Librarians and Librarius condemned by the Emperor for all his loyal Space Marines are now gone. So they no longer fall under the decree of anathema by the Emperor naming them to be enemies of the Emperor. Definitely evidence that the Undying Martyr has a clear connection to the Emperor.

My theory is that Lorgar's sachems and warp-rituals combined with the billions of worshipers are slowly corrupting/converting shards of The Emperor's mind into embracing true godhood against his better judgment.

Great video! Could you do a video on the Khan and what mite have happened to him after he disappeared and we're he is now

@40KTheories

6 жыл бұрын

It's on my list

He could be a demon seemingly making them worship the Emperor but slowly turning them to a darker path. That could explain why the Liberians did not follow him. Maybe they could subconsciously feel that he was something bad and that made them fight against him.

I never thought of John Grammaticus having a Southern accent. Then again, that sort of thing would probably still be possible in some remote corner of the Warhammer 40k universe.

You just answered your own question, their battle cry is “The Emperor Condemns” meaning it is the Emperor

(Whenever I hear about Ollanius Pious taking that stand against Horus) "I promised myself I wouldn't cry..."

I never thought they were bigger fanatics than the black Templar, turns out I was wrong

I'd love him to be a Sensei! We really need more lore about them.

it's Jesus. no way to say it otherwise.

@AutismIsUnstoppable

6 жыл бұрын

Space Jesus.

@AJZulu

6 жыл бұрын

LutaLivre Sarnoso ah, but The Emperor IS Jesus in that universe.

@lutalivresarnoso5808

6 жыл бұрын

André Niemand but he is in the Golden Throne, unless this Martyr is a clone of him.

@FongLin100

6 жыл бұрын

André Niemand correction, he’s speculated to be Jesus.

@bobross9581

5 жыл бұрын

@@FongLin100 He's speculated to be Moses, and he was speculated to one of Jesus' apostles not Jesus himself, especially considering Sanguinius is 40k's representation of Jesus, like how Horus parallels Lucifer

How can be absolutely certain that it is the Emperor who sits on the Golden Throne?

@LordBoofhead1

6 жыл бұрын

What if Malcador was teh Real Emperor and the 'Emperor' was just a distraction?

@servanious7796

6 жыл бұрын

SexualYeti Everyone knows that it’s actually Alpharius who’s sitting on the Golden Throne.

Cyrene Valantion...her name's actually pronounced "see-re-nee" which is something she points out to John Grammaticus at one point in the HH books :p

More good work

so..... kitten forgot one then? or just keep the explosive warp farts as justified?

If you took a bite out of Vulken and ate it would a new Vulken grow inside of you?

12:05 "THE EPEROR SHARD MIGHT" ... im sorry i almost done sharded myself...lol

It's a part of the Emperor that tried to give a warning to chapters about the Primaris

Hi, new thought; is this Ra Endymion? Somehow rid of draknyen?

@Duppyman695

3 жыл бұрын

Resides within Abaddons Daemon Blade (sword).

finally! new music! now we need a new intro :3

the Martyr could be an agent of Chaos. As the Angels Resplendent didn't suffer from the Black Rage and Red Thirst as mush as other Blood Angels Chapters and as a result, for several thousand years they fielded little-to-no Death Company. But after they became the Angels Penitents they have suffered from the Black Rage and Red Thirst a lot. I can even point at who send (or even made) the Martyr... Erebus... if the other Blood Angels Chapters would have learned from the Angels Resplendent they could also have ended becoming more free from the two curses and Erebus was the master mind of the Signus Prime trap. If most of the Blood Angels Chapters became free from the curses it would have been a slap to Erebus' face and something his enemies could use to show him as weak... last thing I have to say is that Erebus has made a Perpetual before in the from of Cyrene Valantion when he resurrected her.

You forgot 1 option: it is that grey knight guy, but he regenerated as his original human form. Who said perpetuals would revive as they were upon death?

See, from the description, I thought Nurgle might be involved

One question I've had for a while is, if the Emperor is a perpetual, how is it he's so messed up? Did Horus' powers ruin his healing factor somehow, or did he use the Anathame sword?

@MisterBones2910

6 жыл бұрын

A lot of people theorize that the throne itself is keeping him in that state. If they just unplugged him maybe he'd begin regenerating, (before or after he dies, who knows) but that would cause the webway to open up and let the demons into Terra.

Maybe just a servant of nurgle who was sent to divide the chapter and successfully did so?

If the Emperor is a perpetual then why he did not recover from his wounds after ten thousend years?

@40KTheories

6 жыл бұрын

Because combination of the cause and extent of his wounds with the effort of harnessing the golden throne's energies causing his body severe damage (in Deliverance Lost and Master of Mankind its shown to cause him to bleed from his nose and ears for example) which his body is now in a state of perpetual (ha) stalemate

@UnknownOrc

6 жыл бұрын

He will heal if he can step down from Golden Throne which nobody seems to Understand in Mechanics or anyone in Imperial Palace. I think there is a cult who thinks Emperor is Trapped in Golden Throne and wishes to release him from this eternal servitude to revive him.

@SgtThiel

6 жыл бұрын

what if the imperium most gifted psykers raise a barrier around the webway portal? would the emperor be free to heal?

@UnknownOrc

6 жыл бұрын

Adinan Cenci -The problem is not the Webway, The problem is Astronomican Beacon, if Emperor step down for medical care, there is none other who can sit on the throne and not get vaporised.

@SgtThiel

6 жыл бұрын

but he used to power the thing before the golden throne. I thought that without the stress of keeping demons at bay (thank you Magnus) he would heal all the while powering the astronomican

I have a theory suggestion: what if, like in TTS (forgive me), the emperor returned AND abolished the inquisition?

A canonical case of EXTRA HERESY. Commisar Fuklaw and many inquisitors will have a field day; As for the future of the chapter I predict the sudden appearance of Waaagh of Orks snipers in the sector around Kanvolis.

Could he not also perhaps be a daemon (admittedly, it'd have to be immensely powerful to withstand Chaplains for 19 days), which was able to sway the chaplains for some kind of long-term goal? It could be that the librarians were the only ones used to withstanding this sort of influence, and hence the civil war in the chapter begins. I don't pretend to know if there's any evidence to support it, but I'm always suspicious of anyone claiming to be a prophet or to speak the Emperor's will.

I like to believe the angel resplendent still exist out there as the angles resplendent proper the first and there chapter master waging an unending crusade much like the black templars are constantly on one crusade or another.

I think it could be a fragment of the emperors soul that has been empowered by faith.

After hearing the description of the emperor I can’t help but ask if he dominated the minds of ppl around him

@owenthomas2914

6 жыл бұрын

I also wonder if he was doing so deliberately or he he couldn't help that manifestation of his physic power - the man underneath sounds as if he was far more humble and had much better taste than the golden giant we know.

Papa Nurgle obviously loves him. Henh henh henh henh

IT WAS THE PROTOTYPE PRIMARCH "THE ANGEL" found in the inquistor book.

I smell chaos trickery

If resurrection can create a Perpetual then wouldn't that mean that Robute Guiliman is a Perpetual? Or was he not technically dead while in stasis?

Wait, wasn't Vulcan 'played with' by Konrad Curze to the point where Vulcan's mind permanently broke?

He's Penitent Confessor Yosiv Gurdjief from Peter Fehervari's Fire Caste. If you actually read that book you'd know it.

What about it being a nurgle worshipper who is trying a more elaborate ruse?

I think the novel The emperor of mankind makes me think that what corvus seen wasn't the true form of the emperor. Because the Pariahs are the only ones that the emperor cant fool with psychic illusions. I think she described him in his armor and therefore being huge :/

It could be a true Perpetual that we still don't know about. Hey, if Scott Cawthon could have done that with Purple Guy in FNAF, why would GW not do something like that here too? Alternatively, it could be a person containing a shard not of the Emperor Himself, but of the Warp entity called the Emperor that might have been created as the result of the worship of the physical Emperor.

Me from the second I saw the photo: SENSEIIIII