thank you frank, you have helped me make sense of alot of questions i have had🙏

Excellent. Just excellent. I love your work and your books. God bless you and guide you.

Awareness/Consciousness comes first! Learned that without “God” outside of me!!!

YES, IT'S THE UNCAUSED CAUSE=mc2 of THE IMMOVABLE MOVER!

Interesting... even though I admit that its impossible for a Christian, theist or deist to be purely objective (Everyone has some bias, even atheists)... you still have an interesting result when you think about time. Time can't go on forever into the past... if it did, then how did it arrive here in the present? Since the past is finite, the reason for time/space must logically be non-temporal & probably non-spacial.

@switzerlandful

4 жыл бұрын

Its just like if I claimed it was possible to count to infinite. It would be absurd for the very reason that infinite is not a quantity but rather the concept of never ending... similarly, saying the past is infinite is equally illogical. An infinite past is like to saying i can count to infinite... the difference is you're saying it already happened.

@switzerlandful

4 жыл бұрын

Therefore, it seems logical that whatever explanation there is for the universe's existence, it transcends time. [Therefore perhaps we're talking about realities which don't involve cause/effect which is what is found in time & space.]

@shayaandanish5831

4 жыл бұрын

What do you think God is

It's not really that atheists don't accept the idea of an eternal god but if something has to be eternal, why doesn't the answer 'the universe is eternal' satisfy you as a Christian. Also, the uncaused cause argument is a deist argument, not specifically a Christian one, any religion can pull up the same point

@ps5622

2 жыл бұрын

@@Makaneek5060 Actually the big bang is not necessarily the origins of all things, it's simply the point before which we have no way to know what happened before.

@ps5622

2 жыл бұрын

@@Makaneek5060 I imagine you've been looking evidence given by theologians who tend to cherry pick the evidence favorable to the cosmological argument but it is not clear if the Big Bang is indeed the origin of everything. Scientifically, the only thing we can say for sure is that we have no means of saying what happened before this singularity. Several hypothesis exist among which it could be the origin of space time but it's not the only hypothesis.

@mwe8414

Жыл бұрын

@@ps5622 yes that's true, it's only then when you would see the evidence and determine the truth that way

Just got the book.👍

@saraoln

5 ай бұрын

I just got "I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist," and I love it ❤.

@larrywilliams5490

5 ай бұрын

@@saraoln It is an excellent apologetics reference book.👍

Awesome stuff! I love "Stealing From God." Fantastic book, Dr. Turek.

@joerichmond5499

8 жыл бұрын

+David Probus I've never read it, but I see on my own how atheists have to assume God's existence and the existence of objective logic, reason, and moral values to try to make their case.

@PGBurgess

8 жыл бұрын

+Joe Richmond Don't theist assume god has all those properties as well? Or can god break the fundamental laws of logic, his own moral standards, ..?

@joerichmond5499

8 жыл бұрын

+P.G. Burgess God CAN break them, but he is the unchanging standard. His words will never pass away. God has the properties of perfection. His logic, reason, and morals are perfect in every possible way.

@PGBurgess

8 жыл бұрын

Joe Richmond So god could chose that the ratio of a circles' circumference and surface isn't Pi; that married bachelors would exist. He just choses not to change any of that... (but he could, but he won't. ever) Perhaps i am too dumb, but i don't get mindbending concepts like that.

@joerichmond5499

8 жыл бұрын

+P.G. Burgess God is logical, and everything that comes from Him is logical. Pi is simply the mathematical result and it is within His laws. It is pretty mindbending. The human mind can only do so much. It is better to be logical rather than illogical. We are created in His image. If He were to change, we would too. It's quite interesting philosophy. Subscribe to Inspiring Philosophy to learn more. Or you can subscribe to me. I plan to make videos in the future, refuting evolution (which isn't logical), atheism arguments, Isis/Islam, and show some inspiring philosophy myself.

Wow👏👏👏👏😍

Amen

I need a debunk for this, what if singularity always existed, like what if it is timeless and eternal. Even if it is unlikely it's possible, you can't negate it.

@JLTrj00913

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. That actually makes sense, but does that singularity have to be made of space, matter and time? If it does, then it cannot have existed before space-time and matter, because that would be saying matter existed before matter

@thevulture5750

Жыл бұрын

God has all power. Does the singularity have all power?

@thevulture5750

Жыл бұрын

In the beginning God God has all power, end of discussion, friend. :) "What if..." In the beginning God. Nothing is more powerful than God.

@blackhat1629

2 ай бұрын

@@thevulture5750god needs to be proved first

@Alexander-qy7yz

17 күн бұрын

​@@blackhat1629you don't need to prove God. You need to think and examine the evidence around you. We all live by faith. Can you prove to me that you exist? Maybe I live in the matrix and you're just part of the program. Maybe you live in the matrix and I'm not a real human. What if I'm just programmed to trick you into believing I'm real? We have to examine the world around us, and make up our minds as to what we believe is reality and then put our faith in our ability to reason. Faith faith faith. Faith, trust, belief in something based on the evidence. If it's not based on evidence our beliefs could still be right, but then it doesn't have a strong foundation.

I dont know if there even needs to be an uncaused first cause. For all we know, chronological time doesnt actually exist, rendering the concept of first cause absolete. We dont know this for sure, but many metaphysicists and quantum theorists view the passage of time as an illusion.

@allegory7638

3 жыл бұрын

Then by what reality do you know that time is an illusion?

"ALL THE EVIDENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE HAD A BEGINNING"..............could someone help provide me with these evidences or help explain what they are? I don't quite know how to explain these things scientifically to Atheists!

@ginokwick6057

7 жыл бұрын

if you knew you'd be the latter

@ChaosJesterYT

5 жыл бұрын

1: Expanding universe- Universe is expanding and signs of it expanding, space itself is expanding which means if we turn back the expansion then it will be condensed into a singular point of nothing 2: The universe is running out of energy: Energy is always constant but we are running out of usable energy each day and if the universe was infinite we would have run out of usable energy right now 3: Einstein's Theory of General relativity, which states that space, matter, and time are co-relative You cant have one of the three without the others, so they all had to begin at the same time

@blackhat1629

2 ай бұрын

@@ChaosJesterYTnone of these actually prove universe had a beginning None of these at all

That's easy; matter gave rise to mind. And in order for the universe to be caused, the cause would seem to have to be spaceless, timeless, and immaterial, that is to say it had to be nothing and never; that there existed any cause for the universe.

@DougGCMweb

7 жыл бұрын

Did you give much thought to the topic before writing this? It's easy to say "that's easy," and then state your belief with confidence. It's another thing altogether to defend that belief and justify having it. You say that matter gave rise to mind. Then you give us a crude account of the origin of the universe aimed at showing that if the universe has a cause at all, then the cause must be "nothing". Presumably, you'd like to then conclude that the universe is therefore uncaused. But have you grappled with the scientific concensus that the universe began to exist at a point in the finite past? If the concensus of physicists and cosmologists is correct, then the universe must have a cause. You assert that such a cause, if it is spaceless, timeless, and immaterial, must be "nothing". If that's so, then the universe wouldn't exist. Because from nothing, nothing comes. But the universe does exist. You need to grapple with the scientific concensus that the universe came into being at a point in the finite past and address how that happened. To say that a spaceless, timeless, immaterial God did it makes far more sense than saying that "nothing" did it. Because "nothing" doesn't do anything. You might not like that conclusion. And you're free to reject it. But I hope that if you do reject it, you'll have better reason to do so than simply not liking it. Try to actually answer the question.

@YOSUP315

7 жыл бұрын

I agree "nothing" doesn't do anything; it does "nothing." And the same seems to be true for that which is spaceless, timeless, and immaterial: it does nothing. That, I think you would agree, is the scientific consensus, correct?

@machugo3368

7 жыл бұрын

you know the truth in your heart, right? and you also know where you'll end up after life with this direct challenge to the creator, right?

@machugo3368

7 жыл бұрын

btw, our definition of nothing is only limited to anything affected by space, time, and matter. Just here to educate someone's rusty brain.

@ChaosJesterYT

5 жыл бұрын

@@YOSUP315 Energy itself isn't spaceless, or material, and it's timeless However energy doesn't last forever as it is converted into nonusable energy and eventually that energy will run out But that would leave with where did energy first appear, since it doesn't last forever we know it has to have a cause I'd argue that forces themselves are also immaterial and timeless, but they require space to function

Science has destroyed atheism!

@Dhorpatan

8 жыл бұрын

+FACTvsEVOLUTION LOL! How?

@DogmaDisputant

8 жыл бұрын

+FACTvsEVOLUTION I think science has destroyed theism mate.

8 жыл бұрын

Dogma Disputant™ Atheism has destroyed Science? Yeah, they hijacked science and forced them to hold to a fairy tale called evolution. lol Merry Christmas to you and my buddy Eclectic Media. :)

@DogmaDisputant

8 жыл бұрын

+FACTvsEVOLUTION Evolution is true. The evidence can be found in public displays like the Smithsonian Natural History Museum and the Chicago Field Museum. You can also type "evidence for evolution" into Google if you wish. But we both know that you prefer to be shielded from reality and will refuse to face the truth. You prefer sticking you head in the sand and believing religious propaganda. The only childish fairy tales here are the ones that are found in your favorite mythology book. A book about Abraham's male god Yahweh; Satan, Heaven, Hell, angles, the first man made from dirt, the first women made from his rib, talking snakes, talking donkeys, talking bushes, a wooden staff turning into a snake, people rising from the dead, people living to be hundreds of years old, a women turning into a pillar of salt, a man killing an army with the jaw of a donkey, a man living inside a large fish, a 900 year old drunk who once built an ark with two of every kind of animal on a four cornered, water separating, domed Earth, placed on board; virgin birth, parting of the Red sea, walking on water, water into wine, fish multiplication magic, manna falling from the sky, rivers turning into blood, magic healing of (leprosy & blindness), the sun standing still and the moon stopped for the duration of killing enemies, stone city walls falling down by the mere sound of seven magic trumpets made of ram's horn, seven headed dragons, giants etc. LOL!

@Dhorpatan

8 жыл бұрын

+FACTvsEVOLUTION What makes Evolution a fairy tale?

How did an immaterial something, make something from nothing, if something from nothing is impossible? If space did not exist prior to our universe, where could a Being be? Where could you put a universe if there is no where? If nothing can happen without time, how did anything do anything without time? Note: "It was magic" is not an explanation. More questions/ no answers.

@chadofisher947

5 жыл бұрын

Only beings that must necessarily exist in space time do. God is able to exist whether space and time do or not, because He it is not necessary for a God of omnipotence to exist within confined restraints. And you stating it was "magic" is superimposed Atheism.

@jamestor6700

4 жыл бұрын

@@chadofisher947 "God is able to exist whether space and time do or not" evidence? oh right you don't have any. all you're able to do is make a claim and act as if thats evidence because you lack any evidence of any god to exist

Turek, as usual, is making statements as if they are factual, when in reality they are purely speculative and guesses. Would Turek board an airplane about to be flown by a pilot who assures the passengers that the tank has enough fuel to reach its destination, when in fact the pilot has not even looked at the fuel gage? In this video, (and as is typical of Turek), without having any valid evidence to substantiate his claims about the existence of and the characteristics of a god, Turek is assuring everyone that what he claims is true, that the fuel tank is full. But in Turek's case, not only is he making claims without "checking his fuel gage," there exists no fuel gage to check, he has no way to prove that his claims are true. When people like Turek are allowed to make claims without being held accountable for the accuracy of those claims, they can say absolutely anything that suits them, there is no limit to the claims they can make.

@ChaosJesterYT

5 жыл бұрын

1:There has to be an uncaused first cause unless the universe is eternal 2: The universe is not eternal thanks to the big bang and will not be thanks to the second law of thermodynamics 3: The big bang had to have a cause that didn't involve space, matter, and time (While gravity is a force it has to be inside the universe to function) 4: The second law of thermodynamics states that the universe is like a dying flashlight 5: Therefore the universe is not eternal and has to have an uncaused first cause

@waterpail5253

5 жыл бұрын

scientists say a lot of guesses and imagination, so far that's how we know monkey became humans despite the interesting 'gap' between primate to 'homo sapiens,' and logically speaking, can you NOT guess or speculate about the beginning of the universe as atheist?

@jamestor6700

4 жыл бұрын

@@ChaosJesterYT okay, why can't the uncaused cause be matter and energy? as far as we know they cannot be created nor destroyed, does that not throw a wrench into the entire argument?

@iQuiiKKz

4 жыл бұрын

Kyle Just because _we_ can’t create matter doesn’t mean it wasn’t created in the first place. The Big Bang theory suggests that matter indeed _did_ have a beginning. Something can’t be its own cause, so matter didn’t create itself-something else did. Serious question : If intelligent, goal-driven scientists can’t create matter, what makes you think mindless, unguided matter could create matter? Also, suggesting that matter appeared by matter creating new matter begs the question : how could matter even exist at all if it requires previously existing matter to bring new matter into the world? Infinite regresses make no sense philosophically speaking, nor do they align with the scientific evidence that the universe is running down. But let’s forget all of that. What’s more plausible : An intelligent being created a universe ran by precise, predictable, reliable natural laws or Mindless matter and energy created a universe no scientist could ever dream of?

@hamsandwich6187

4 жыл бұрын

@@iQuiiKKz In regard to Turek's claims, he claims a god exists and that he knows one of its characteristics, namely that it is eternal, yet, as pointed out previously, while he puts forth factors that cause him to SPECULATE about the existence and characteristics of a god, he has never - literally never - demonstrated the validity of those claims, never provided credible evidence. As opposed to a charlatan, what tack does an honest person take in such a case? An honest person acknowledges, "I don't know." We don't know whether or not time, matter, space can "begin itself," we don't know that "the singularity" didn't originate from some component of "a mulitverse," etc. Choose to believe anything you wish... fact is not a prerequisite of belief...but if you place any value on honesty and personal integrity, then you - like Turek - must be willing to acknowledge that presently you simply don't know, and must cease trying to convince others that you do.

1. The assumption that every event has a cause, although common in our experience, is not necessarily universal. The apparent lack of cause for some events, such as radioactive decay, suggests that there might be exceptions. There are also hypotheses, such as alternate dimensions of time or an eternally oscillating universe, that allow a universe without a first cause. 2. By definition, a cause comes before an event. If time began with the universe, "before" does not even apply to it, and it is logically impossible that the universe be caused. 3. This claim raises the question of what caused God. If, as some claim, God does not need a cause, then by the same reasoning, neither does the universe.

@quantumgravity92

7 жыл бұрын

that's fine , u admitt that the universe has no cause ( it's eternal ) then your God is the Universe

@ginokwick6057

7 жыл бұрын

You can call the universe "god" if you please ... at least you know that it really exists.

@fatmaramadan6928

6 жыл бұрын

Ahmed Alshammeri + Yes, you may call the universe god, call it whatever you like but why do you try to give this universe a personality with human emotions like anger and jealousy ?

@LogicAndReason2025

5 жыл бұрын

You can call a car a boat if you want to. But unless it's a duck, you're sunk.

@ChaosJesterYT

5 жыл бұрын

1: Universe can't be eternal because we'd have run out of usable energy by now And by defenition eternal means no beginning and no end 2: Einstein's Theory of General relativity states that all space, time, and matter cannot exist without the others, but we know that something caused the beginning of space and matter, so by extension that cause also created the time itself 3: Any way you put it, there has to be a transcendent first cause unless the universe is eternal, but the universe had a concrete beginning as evident by the radiation from the big bang, expanding universe, and Second law of thermodynamics So that first cause has to be outside of space, matter, and time, therefore that cause itself is outside of space, time, and matter or not restricted by them like we are

I love how he jumps right to an uncaused cause is GOD...not just "a God" but the God he believes in....lol

@shayaandanish5831

4 жыл бұрын

God is God. It's not about God he believes in. Look we have different understandings of the nature of God but that doesnt change God

@kevr8482

4 жыл бұрын

@@shayaandanish5831 Really think about what you said there...It makes ZERO sense!!!!

@jamestor6700

4 жыл бұрын

@@kevr8482 its the very definition of circular reasoning but for the uncaused cause argument, why can't the uncaused cause be matter and energy? as far as we know they cannot be created or destroyed so that would make the most sense plus, we have observable evidence of energy and matter. I can't say the same for God

@abhimanyu3505

4 жыл бұрын

@@shayaandanish5831 This argument can you used to prove the existence of any god. So That's the problem.

@shayaandanish5831

4 жыл бұрын

@@abhimanyu3505 That's the whole point. You say any god. I am not saying any. I am saying God. One God.

*Destroying the First Cause Argument* The most prominent form of the argument, as defended by William Lane Craig, states the Kalam cosmological argument as the following syllogism: Everything that begins to exist has a cause. The universe began to exist. Therefore, the universe has a cause for its existence. “Craig, having decided that the universe does have a cause, then says ‘The cause of the universe has to be a logically necessary being, by which he means a being that had to exist, such that it involves a contradiction if it did not exist. But this means that to say ‘God does not exist’ involves a logical contradiction. But how can there be such a ‘necessary’ being? Who ordered that? (A question asked by a nuclear physicist upon the discovery of an unexpected new particle). This argument was invented by archbishop Anselm in 1077, called the ‘ontological argument’.” (From “William Lane Craig’s Eight Reasons for God” by Conway Hall, 30th March 2015) It is child’s play to destroy this fallacious argument. Anyone with a basic education is physics knows that there are subatomic particles pop into existence all the time without any cause. In quantum field theory, particle-antiparticle pairs continuously pop in and out of existence from vacuum. These particles have a very short lifetime, at the scale of 10^-22 seconds. In Schwinger's theory, if you apply a massive enough electrical field to a region of space that is completely empty, that space's quantum field will seize some of this electrical energy and create particle-antiparticle pairs from nothingness. Also, photons-packets of light-can pop in and out of a vacuum. Aspects of quantum theory can and have been tested in the laboratory, although much mystery remains to be discovered, still. Yet we can compare our knowledge thus far on the topic and contrast it with Craig’s abstract “hocus-pocus” for which he (and no one else) can provide any evidence, and just shake our collective heads at the ridiculous attempts by Craig to substitute the irrational, fictitious claims of the bible for science.

The claim of a timeless, spaceless, etc. etc. god as the creator of the universe has no foundation in fact, no evidence to support the position. In the absence of any evidence you claim your god as the origin of everything, a logically untenable position. "I can't think of any other reason so god must have done it." This is an unreasonable assumption. Science on the other hand is unafraid to say we do not know what was or was not prior to the origin of the universe........science does not assume it has an answer when confronted with an unknown. When you presuppose you have the answer to an unknown you stop looking for the truth.

@theone1535

2 жыл бұрын

The what is the first uncaused cause ? Keep in mind it must have a will to create

@bucmcmaster

2 жыл бұрын

@@theone1535 We know nothing of any creation, first or otherwise, with a will or without. You incorrectly assume that everything must have a cause that we can identify, and maybe there is.......but an unfalsifiable "god" cannot be accepted as such without evidence. Science continues to investigate reality and may or may not be able to answer these questions someday. Theists point to their god and say "that's it".....what is the evidence for this assertion?

@therick363

2 жыл бұрын

@@theone1535 why must it have a will?

@mwe8414

Жыл бұрын

@@bucmcmaster yes everything has a cause, whether the big bang theory is real or not we agree on one thing there was a beginning, of time space, matter and this beginning came from nothing . Meaning what caused the creation to happen can't be bound by time space or matter. To create something from nothing, you need to be all powerful as we understand you can't create something from nothing, to create you need to personal, you need to be able to choose not to create. If you choose to call this cause something other than God it doesn't matter as that would still be God, it would still be a being beyond the world that created the world.

@bucmcmaster

Жыл бұрын

@@mwe8414 Another baseless claim: that the time and space we know “came from nothing.” You cannot know this, only claim it without evidence. Is there anything else in your life that you accept as true without evidence? Anything? Science does not make unfounded claims. A hypothesis is proposed and the search begins for supporting evidence. If no evidence is discovered the hypothesis must be dismissed. Such is your claim. It is faith alone that reinforces your claim, and faith is not a valid tool for discovering truth.

Absolutely god is not the only first cause that makes sense, quantum fluctuation is a better first assumption

All of this is cool, but the only problem I see here is that they worship a Prophet of God instead of God himself.

@BIGDADDYBILLIOT217

6 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah. Who’s the prophet that you claim we worship?

@BIGDADDYBILLIOT217

6 жыл бұрын

I’m assuming you mean Jesus. If that’s who you are talking about then you should know that Jesus is God. Accept him as your personal lord and savior

@Nameless-pt6oj

2 жыл бұрын

Because the Son of Man paid the penalty for sin so that we could be forgiven and go to Heaven. One day, you shall see Him by the right hand of God and coming on the clouds of Heaven.

The unmade maker????