Had to skip right to the AG1 section. Seen them everywhere and considered buying some but the aggressive advertising had me second guessing. Glad to hear my skepticism was warranted.

@milspectoothpick4119

Ай бұрын

Same. I get a tub of multivitamin mix from costco that's I guess similar to AG1 and thought about trying AG1 cuz I see it everywhere on YT. I saw the like $80/mo. price and instantly closed the tab, lol.

@skr4207

Ай бұрын

just checked the nutrition facts, yeah it's piss, has barely anything in there at good enough doses in 1 serving.

@testboga5991

Ай бұрын

All supplements are a scam if you eat any reasonable diet.

@Grubiantoll

Ай бұрын

ye, the wierd thing about youtube promotions is- the more you see the stronger is your feeling that bigger part of the companeis money goes in to advertising, which often means that there is very little focus on product value and quality

@alakabaz3

Ай бұрын

James Smith did a good video on AG1 and why it’s guff

Dave is such a treasure for the climbing community. He is sharing so much information with us! Thank you Mr. Macleod!

@00Platypus00

Ай бұрын

Do not simply accept that information just because it comes from a good climber... Some of the things he says about nutrition and environment are outright wrong.

@markusmuller65656

Ай бұрын

@@00Platypus00 i do not accept any information without questioning but i can be thankful for someone how tries to do good for others with his knowledge. And to say someone is wrong without any proof and example is not very convincing.

@00Platypus00

Ай бұрын

@@markusmuller65656 I am not about to drop a full literature review. I'll just say the ramblings about plant protein and the environmental impact of plant-based diets is coming from a place of bias, from someone who promotes keto and even wears the shirt of a YT channel known for its unscientific drivel. Anyhow, if you usually do not accept information without properly sourcing it then all that is perfectly fine :) Cheers.

@markusmuller65656

Ай бұрын

@@00Platypus00 Thanks for your answer and the example. Of course you have to cherry pick and evaluate the information you get and map it to yourself. And i agree on your point about the criticism regarding the points about plant based diets! My initial comment seems a little bit naive i guess.

@00Platypus00

Ай бұрын

@@markusmuller65656 Not really naive if you ask me. I just thought of warning a tiny bit. We can appreciate Dave for what he is good at - there is no questioning his climbing skills - while taking what he (and everyone else) says about other things with a grain of salt. I did not mean to be confrontative :)

Lool, the AG1 part caught me by surprise! 😂 I really was expecting a sponsored opinion

@biomorphic

Ай бұрын

Cocaine is probably cheaper than AG1 😀

@stf6086

Ай бұрын

Then Dave would lose a lot of credibility…. When hoopers beta did their ag1 commercials their claim of science based content became just empty words for me….

@Hopesfallout

Ай бұрын

@@stf6086 Yeah, it certainly blurs the message a bit. They did speak out against the Eric Hörst collagen bullshit in the past but they'll advertise another unnecessary overpriced supplement instead, it massively contradicts the philosophy of their channel. Then again 99% of what's on their channel is still good info.

@IAmABoss2

Ай бұрын

Idk if this makes you feel any better but I'm 100% certain that the high price tag for AG1 is to pay for the insane amount of money their sponsorships pay. Obviously I don't know the figure but they've sponsored Magnus so this would be a really hefty amount. Let them get their bread from a sponsor, at the end of the day, like Dave said, it doesn't hurt, but yeah you can buy better stuff from just multivitamins

nice vid! time for me to get some BACC, HGH and coke so i can send my V4 proj on the moonboard

@sisoboy_4438

Ай бұрын

To be fair v4 on the moonboard is basically v10

@Hopesfallout

Ай бұрын

Climbers should start experimenting with tren.

@brianlee9630

Ай бұрын

@@Hopesfallout saving that for the V5s on the moonboard

Dude, this is good stuff, Climbing Stuff. These are good interviews - you're a likeable guy and these are fun, entertaining, and informative. Well-done.

@Fred-oz3tw

Ай бұрын

that is mostly misinformation by seemingly purposely painting a very limited picture of things. little hint for that is his t-shirt.

@rickyrickstan563

Ай бұрын

​@@Fred-oz3twthere's a reason your reply has no likes

@Johnny_Cash_Flow

Ай бұрын

@@Fred-oz3tw What the hell are you talking about? What does anything you said have anything to do with my comment?

@Vicitoriachi

Ай бұрын

​@@rickyrickstan563I'm not saying that OP is right or wrong, but anyways: likes or the absence of likes are NOT an indicator of the correctness of a comment.

@florianneumann9441

Ай бұрын

You dismiss his education and expertise because of a vegetable t-Shirt? Btw he isn’t even a vegetarian… you are a prime example of what you claim about dave.

I am equal parts surprised and delighted to see this collab. Great stuff start to finish.

Any video with Dave Macleod in it is incomparably helpful to climbing, and its cool to see him in a goofier style of video

Wow! This surprised me. This actually important and serious content outside of memes and that. Good job and amazing interview!

I aproached the video thinking that it would be goofy but I was pleasently surprised. Great video!

Dude excellent freaking work so great to see this channel evolve:)

Great to see two contrasting youtube climbers vibing together! Nice combo. You brought out Dave's fun side

Dave Macleod is so great! And this was a great video idea from Climbing Stuff to get at his voluminous, quality knowledge!

#1 climbing news channel.

Super interesting thank you both for this !

This was really insightful. Dave is a living legend!

Thanks for making this extremely informative while also decently fun. Good trick for my AD HD to stay focused ❤️‍🔥

Guy's a legend! Cool to see this colab

Awesome video as usual! On a side note, Dave would probably be the only climbing KZreadr I'd be interested in getting a course from, he knows his stuff and explains it really well. His books are great too.

What about Yorkshire tea? It looks like it might up the British trad game at least!

@littletyke76

Ай бұрын

The best tea out there.

@climbermacleod

Ай бұрын

S tier.

@frankzappa4286

Ай бұрын

Oh yeah. It's illegal to climb in Yorkshire unless you have a flask of verifiable Yorkshire Tea.

It's amazing to have Dave in the video! He is so knowledgeable and he state is an an oppinion not a fact

probably should've asked about just caffeine by itself or in the form of plain coffee or tea. I see a lot of people online always associating "coffee" with people who spend $6 every day on some starbucks sugar bomb as if it's impossible to drink it without all of the extra added bullshit. Most preworkouts have ridiculously high doses of caffeine (400mg per scoop isn't unheard of) but they differ in how much they deliver of other random supplements like arginine, l-citrulline, carnitine, beta-alanine, etc which give preworkout blends more effects beyond pure stimulation.

@toni6194

Ай бұрын

Yeah this guy clearly didnt seem to be the best person to interview and rank some of the kinds of "supplements" in this list.

@16m49x3

Ай бұрын

same with red bull

@ianmass2000

Ай бұрын

No sugar though ​@@16m49x3

Cool to have Dave on! Glad he mentioned his supplements at the end, those really make you feel different. Some fun substances you gave but I missed beta-alanine and peptides such as bpc-157 or tb-500. Which could be interesting since he has a pulley injury.

Good to see no biases, climbing is a sport that a lot of people don't take diet into account for so this video might send people in the right direction

I love this. Keep these kind of videos coming

Awesome video, Dave is the man. The team up was very funny and got a ton of good information. Please do a collaboration on training for climbing with him. He's realistic and could be very informative

Super good. It's always hard to get info about nutrition and this video nailed it in an entertaining way!

S tier video! Love Dave, love what you do. Just awesome

i like your "interview" style, keep em comin

Fascinating! Great video :)

My god Dave knows a thing or two about optimal camera lighting.

Great video, anything with so much Dave action is S tier

Much more interesting and informative then the "to climb hard, you have to pull hard, use good technique, try hard" things that dominate my feed

This is the climbing content we need

You have such a fun rapport with your guests, it's always super entertaining to watch whenever you have a collab on the channel. It was also super informative as well as being fun to watch. I do find it a little humorous that the last AG1 sponsor ad I saw was on some random Magnus vid lol.

If it were 10 times cheaper, it would go up to D - Endorsment of AG1 - love it

Great collaboration

Idk about the discussion about pea protein allegedly contributing to more waste than whey protein supplements.. I feel like is removing the fact that in order to produce whey, a cow is consuming a huge volume of plant feed. Im seriously doubting that pea protein may have a higher envm impact, but Id be interested in seeing a life cycle analysis for both. edit: pea protein is definitely lower impact lol

@00Platypus00

Ай бұрын

Dave has something against consuming plants that is completely irrational. He is very anti vegan with his keto diet. His shirt says it all...

@shrill_2165

Ай бұрын

Mate, look for the LCA then. Fuck you don’t need to just sit there are wait to be told what to think

@Clin270

Ай бұрын

I don't have a strong opinion, so I'm just trying to formulate my understanding: two main points, cows don't need animal feed, they can live off of grass and rainwater, this is sadly not done in most agriculture since it is more expensive in terms of area for production. The point i think Macleod is trying to make is, that most people who decide to consume plant protein over animal do it to avoid the meat industry, which they don't.

@rixt135

Ай бұрын

Exactly, way more resources being used and also way more emissions with whey protein than plant proteins

@peterkapunkt6783

Ай бұрын

​@@00Platypus00The shirt is from a channep called vegetable police. that channel is run by a person, who was vegan at several points in time and even moved to Thailand to live on a fruit based diet.

Dude you are getting some crazy collabs these days. I'm expecting the next video to be something like 'Reinholt Messner took me up Everest'

What a great collab!

Loved this video!

I saw Dave in the thumbnail for two days or so and now realized it is a Climbing Stuff video 😍. My brain possibly couldn’t comprehend this unusual teamup. My favorite so far. Now I’m gonna watch it. (I would have watched it later anyway)

Comment for the alg. Dave is a gem of the climbing world.

Talking to Dan is great, his work awesome. A good partnership for sure!

I'm so happy to hear the honest answers and listen to that expanded comment about sugar and quick energy sources like bread. Bread is good, but only as a side to the main dish. But sugar drinks? Omg, how many people drink and drink them every day... They really should be licensed like alcohol at some point in time.

Well this might be my favorite video yet

why does Dave look like an AI video at the beggining wtffff

@WesHuesos

Ай бұрын

How many tabs did you take today, Santiago?

@santiagogc427

Ай бұрын

up until 1:19 Dave seems straight out the uncanny valley, maybe it’s the lighting idk

@uiofinder

Ай бұрын

@@santiagogc427agreed he looked like ai

@captaintvb

Ай бұрын

Large studio-type light source like soft box or something + big sensor camera with a decent lens and shallow depth of field give this smooth buttery look.

@minime453

Ай бұрын

The "Vegetable" t-shirt was a dead giveaway

I'm not a climber anymore, but this was still interesting, good thing it wasn't too specific. One thing that wasn't mentioned about getting foods from real foods is flavour! You'll miss on a lot of lovely and interesting flavours by taking protein mostly in powdered form, be it whey or plant based. I'm with you on the bread diet though, looove bread! I've made it slightly better by baking my own, but it's still a lot of carbs, can't get around that. I could happily live on bread, cheese, selected fruits, and chocolate. Might not live long, but would die happy 😂

This video was awesome! Interessting, educational and funny! As a German, I missed the beer in the rankings, but we all know it's definitely S-tier-plus.😜

Great video. Would have loved to hear him talk about caffeine as a general drug/tool but super interesting stuff. Time to buy more eggs and salmon.

Skipped directly to the AG1 to see what he said. Dave said exactly what I thought he would say!

First time seeing any of Dave's stuff but he had my INSTANT respect when he said "pass" on commenting on HGH solely because he didn't feel like he knew enough about it. That's some serious integrity.

Great video. Wish you had included antioxidant sources - sour cherry juice (as an example) also stimulates muscle growth in studies. Ide love to hear Dave's opinion, esp given his low-carb diet is probably low on antioxidants (eg, fruit).

Finally Climbing Stuff uploaded again. (I've never climbed in my life but this guy is just too good at making videos)

Great video, cool that you got dave ob the channel! I would be keen to know why hes not on a vegetarian diet considering he should know all about increased health risks from consuming red meat.

@Mentholox

3 күн бұрын

He said in a video that he believes red meat is not the issue. He argues that people who have an unhealthy lifestyle eat more red meat. In other words, if you eat allot of fast food and sugar you are more likely to eat more red meat. And that most if not all health nagatives associated with it comes from there.

Dave has a Vegetable Police T-Shirt on, that dude is straight bonkers!

@arnesl929

Ай бұрын

Did not see that connection coming

I cut out whey/casein and cows milk (I still eat cheese and quark) and my acne has cleared up almost entirely. If you’re struggling with acne, try cutting those things out - it’s not the case for everyone but worth a shot

Is that a game cube in the back? Where does that fall on the scale?

No Yerba Mate 🧉?

Thought the thumbnail was like a meme/clickbait thing, but this was acutally informative 😂😂

19:40 I think it’s important to note that while the powder has no vitamin d, when you sign up you get a free year supply of vitamin d and k oil that you add to the shake Also, iodine deficiency is pretty rare in the United States.

Good video. Wish you would have asked about the “hydration” sups like LMNT. I find them to be overpriced salt 🤷‍♂️. Keep at it sir!

Great video and agree with most of it, but surely things like red bull and pre work out don’t harm your diet as it’s used on top when you exercise more than usual? 100 mile bike ride, I don’t think some sugar is going to displace my nutrients?

Was not expecting a Vegetable Police shirt :D

No mention of Mag Juice or Mag Dust? I've been butt chugging Mag Juice just for fun, but wondering if it's good for me?

the "GET FREE VIDEO SERIES" button from the link you provided doesn't work on Firefox

I know it’s all jokes but I’m actually quite a heavy weed smoker and recently I’ve took a break from it and have noticed a huge improvement in energy, focus and quite possibly strength but I’m not too sure about the strength, I’d put it in the D or E tier.

I straight up wrote in my nutrition class midterm that my Saturday breakfast is 2 bags pop tarts, and I start and end lunch with ice cream, full plate of fries, and random whatever lol

Shieeet, this channel grows!

Dave is the BEST 🤩👏

VEGETABLE POLICE! 😅 what's up with that shirt Dave?!

@climbermacleod as austrian I have a slew of other reasons to not like Red Bull … but I was always wondering does sugar water even have an effect if you drink them during training to give you short time energy - or is even that nonsense because the body cannot access it that immediately? Or in other words do have energy drinks / sugar water any real use in sports performance…

This was super interesting thanks

great video!

his smile after saying the joke about AG1 going up a tier sold the video for me

Marihuana definitely helps with redding rid of anxiety - but the downside regarding climbing is: you also lose a fair bit of fine motoric precision when you're high;) - and it certainly lowers your focus - so with a precision sport like climbing, you may have a more relaxed mind - but you also don't feel your body as well and I personally experienced it as being not helpful, since I just take way longer for correct foot placement for example...

I don't understand the Redbull bit... Caffeine has well studied links to performance gains, so it's more than just sugar water.

@littletyke76

Ай бұрын

I think that was down to the poor choice of "supplements" on the list. He should have put it as caffeine, not as energy drinks to actually get an accurate response from Dave. Honestly I liked the video but he should have done more research into the the different supplements, it was a rather basic and lumped together list

not sure if Dave will respond to comments here, but what about algae oil instead of fish oil due to its superior environmental impacts? I've heard it's better for you actually, like taking out the middle man (the fish) and less likely to cause the gross burbs / digestion issues.

@snake_plant

Ай бұрын

I think coat is an issue. With the exception of some premium high priced algae oils, many simply have much less EPA/DHA in which are the key parts of the omega 3. For example I take a high EPA/DHA fish oil that costs about a tenner a month - to get the same levels from algae where I live I'd need to spend 3-4x that amount.

@climbermacleod

Ай бұрын

Take algae n3s if you like but be careful to see that you are getting the sufficient dose - many (perhaps all, but I'm happy to be shown otherwise) supplements have low amounts of DHA/EPA per serving. Middle men in ecosystems are a good thing!

Didn't think this collab would ever happen, heeeeelllllll yeah

I think that adding bcaa on top of your regular protein as long as it’s inexpensive is not a bad idea. There’s some evidence (Can’t remember exactly where I saw but I’m sure it can be googled) that supplementing on top of enough protein can be slightly beneficial but it’s not NEEDED

Entertaining and informative, nice job! Vitamin C supplements would have been nice to be included.

This one is actually rly informative lol

I just started giving a shit about what I eat, great timing Mr Stuff

@korok2619

Ай бұрын

great time to hear an expert tell you suplements are not needed

One I'm curious about is MSM. Whether this could help keep finger cartilage strong.

That was such an insanely informative video. Honestly, it didn't even come into my head that if you got everything naturally then you don't need to supplement, even if you do a lot of exercise. As a UK viewer will defo be getting some Vitamin D from Boots and eating some more eggies (red meat is too bad for the environment for me)

The discussion around marijuana was actually really interesting albeit short, but one thing that's sort of intangible about the plant when I use it in my climbing (12b/c, V6-8) is feeling centered in my body. Like any of these other supplements, you can dose it so that you're receiving primarily the benefits (high focus on a single task, mild muscle relaxant, anxiety relief) without many of the known drawbacks (mental and physical lethargy, lower cognitive focus). In many cases, climbing on a low dose often makes me feel more attentive to my movement and body position than I otherwise may be in difficult positions like cruxes on projects. I'd say it's subjectively beneficial and warrants some further investigation without writing it off of the list completely.

I think Dave speaking about the ethical issues of wasting peas but not touching on the vast ethical/environmental issues caused by a diet of red meat and dairy (which he continues to encourage) feels like a pretty poor representation of different diets impact. Other than that, interesting to hear his thoughts on other supplements, interesting vid, thanks.

@samr2733

Ай бұрын

How I understood it was that the only reason to favour the plant based protein over whey or meat is the environmental /animal cause. If that’s your motive, it’s good to know its flaws. As opposed to someone who would eat whey and red meat would have performance as a main point and maybe not care as much (or aim at other levers to care. I’m not pointing fingers, I think someone like Dave is probably way lower on the CO2 impact than every vegan Parisians/big city people would ever be)

@thenayancat8802

Ай бұрын

@@samr2733 You're probably quite wrong, generally city living has far lower environmental impacts than living rurally in a big house as Dave does

@samr2733

Ай бұрын

@@thenayancat8802 probably you’re right. Not my point anyway which was the reason of me writing that in the first place : I didn’t want to speak about about who’s doing it better for the environment and who’s not but the reason (imo) of Dave mentioning it in one case and not the other. Now if you wanna think that having people packed in huge city eating food coming from miles away and using the money they make to fly/drive far away at any opportunity is better than staying mainly in the countryside even though you might use a bit more heater in the winter good for you. I was also speaking not of all cities but of those huge metropoles full of people. I must admit though that I’m not so aware of the life in the uk. Hence my first sentence. On a side note, I’m not eating any kind of meat and living in a city 🤷‍♂️

@thenayancat8802

Ай бұрын

@@samr2733 Yes, if you consider the most frugal country life possible, it's probably not as bad as living the most extravagant life possible in the city. However you don't have to do that, do you? You can live in a city and travel by train. Similarly it might feel good to eat local meat instead of veg that's travelled far to get to you, but the evidence generally shows that actually the meat is worse. These are the types of arguments Dave and similar people put forward in many of their videos on the topic, and they don't really hold water. It's just gesturing at the imagined hypocrisy of "every vegan Parisians/big city people" as you put it.

@angustaylor711

Ай бұрын

@@samr2733 I think what bothers me is that he does also speak about the benefits of eating meat (specifically keeping cows) on soil health and reps it as an enviromental positive, but the reality as you allude to is that most people do not live where he lives, and cannot source their meat from grass fed cows. I think his McDonalds experiement was also to demonstrate that people who are unable to afford/source the meat he does could just buy fast food meat patties and do the same. But Maccy's are responsible for a huge amount of rainforest destruction for ranching space, amongst all the other shite things they do. I feel like he has some blind spots in his dietary beleifs, and I think the fact that he then encourages others to follow his same diet is dangerous for the environment, potentially people's health, definitely the welfare of animals. And I will be honest that it irks me more than with other folks because I enormously respect and appreciate him in so many other ways!

I wonder if the added muscle mass from HGH would actually be functional and beneficial to climbing or if it would just add dead weight basically

@littletyke76

Ай бұрын

Not all HGH's come with added muscle mass. So yeah, a proper regimen of HGH that improves strength/endurance without the weight gains would be incredible for climbing. Look at cyclists who have been using stuff forever and they are still tiny people bar their legs. They prefer less weight

Dave sure loves split grades

You should talk to Alex Megos about this I bet he‘d have a very different opinion about beef and eggs

@user-wm7ft4ug8c

Ай бұрын

Yes, …..but Alex is „just“ a climber and not a nutritionist. He obviously knows nothing about nutrition. His video left me speechless and I thought „please, just stick to climbing content and nothing else for your videos“

@Pimjeanpaul

Ай бұрын

@@user-wm7ft4ug8c Nutrionist is not a legally protected title, everyone can call themselves a nutrionist fyi. Not saying Dave doesnt know more about nutrition than Alex would. Just saying, it's not what you think. edit: Nvm, after seeing him recommend red meat and eggs I think Alex might actually know more about nutrition than Dave does. They are both 'just' climbers, only one calls himself a nutrionist and the other just eats healthy.

4:00 how is lactating a downside exactly?

On the whole a very informative video. The logic that Dave offers to make the distinction between animal and plant protein based on environmental impact seemed a bit odd. Ok they don't use the full plant to make the protein, so fine to critique that. But what about whey? That comes from dairy production, which for the most part has a significant environmental impact from direct emissions or from the growing of feed - which often is intensive. Think Dave may have to rethink that one.

Cannabis. So if anyone else has seen the Arnold s documentary or read the book. He talks about smoking during breaks at the gym. Study's apparently show, that cannabinoids actually help block the build of lactic acid.

@lylemcdermott2566

Ай бұрын

No it's bs. It makes you hungry, so you eat more even when you're super tired and don't want to eat. And it makes your pain from your body aches and whatnot go away.

Why Dave keeps mentioning red meat and not chicken? Any reasons to prefer beef over chicken?

@littletyke76

Ай бұрын

Yes, red meat offers alot more nutrients than chicken for example, protein, iron, zinc, selenium, riboflavin, niacin, vitamin B6, vitamin B12, phosphorus, pantothenate, magnesium, and potassium. Liver as Dave mentioned has a ton of different things too, even better than steak for certain things but obviously not everyone is going to eat liver.

I think everyone concerned with their level of protein intake should watch the Zoe episode with Christopher Gardner. Basically the recommended values are above the optimal values for 90% of the population, but thats done on purpose so that it can meet the needs of 90% of the population, but it also means 10% are falling short, and it's different from person to person. What they arrive at is that, on average, everyone is already getting more than enough protein.

Great stuff. Love that your guests camera is so much better than yours 😂😂

Also you should try blood doping for endurance climbing lol

When I'm in the gym I'm only sweating and just need calories and electrolytes. But when im Climbing I'm out for a long time and need either beef jerky and alot of water OR just some water with bcaas. Yes its not as good as whey or a full protein but I'm not going to drink whey protein in the hot sun while I'm sweating. Bcaas sre flavored to taste like mango and other fruits and taste simply amazing. Just the fact that I can take tiny sips and each one feels so thirst quenching AND it atleast has SOMETHING to help promote MPS. It's it's during a long activity I simply like it more than water or whey. I'll have whey when or an actual steak when I'm done.

Marijuana is great for muscle recovery, that's pretty much it concerning climbing tho 😅 So Cbd with a very low amount of thc could help during rest to help recovery without the negative psychoactiv effect, if you dont smoke it ofc

thank you our lord for another great video

creatine caused me to have better finger health, sleeping memory better and i can train 3 times a week and work 5 days in construction every week. in this list there should be a grade above S in my opinion for creatine. i went from 6b to 6c in one month and a half.