I got a Tado in 2014, its been great, got another in 2016 when I moved house and needed a 1st floor thermostat. Easy to install for a non expert. They both still work fine.

Finally!!! They see good sense, Worcester Bosch boilers can be updated again! Just one of the handy BUS languages Tado speak. Well done Tado

@FearNoneButAllah

Жыл бұрын

How can I get my greenstar system boiler to talk to tado v3?

Fitted wireless Tado boiler thermostat, Tado smart valves & extra temp sensors in each room (expensive). 2 years on I love the Off & On’able nature of adjusting each radiator or zone. Love the valve auto shut off when a window/ door is left open . Also it lowers the house temp ( if you want) when we everybody leave the house. Love it 👍

Once again another really useful video relevant to what I'm doing right now. Tado is on my short list but I now know I need to check if the model I buy supports modulation.

Really appreciate this video, I was about to buy a wired kit and 8 smart TRVs to zone the whole house! I think now i’m going to just get the thermostat and stick with regular TRVs upon hearing this! The smart TRVs just aren’t worth the outlay if having your radiators call for heat individually based on room timing is a bad idea in my opinion

By good fortune I purchased the wired version because my old thermostat was also wired, so it was a direct swap. However the old thermostat was a basic Honeywell on/off relay, so the instructions were based on what thermostat was being replaced. In reality, my boiler, a Vaillant Home Combi 30kW supports modulation and just needs the same pair of wires to be connected to a different set of terminals at both ends. So in short, getting my wired Tado and existing boiler to work together using modulation is relatively easy but it took this video and a lot of Google searching to find this out.

Is there a link to this new product on the website?

I actually just installed a Tado wired thermostat like 2 weeks ago. No smart valves or anything like that, just the thermostat (ours was dying and I wanted a smart thermostat) Honestly, I love it. The wife does especially since she's disabled, so if she gets too cold, she can open the app and just hit "boost heating" and not have to worry about trying to get downstairs and all the rest of it. Had no idea about the modulating controls, nor what they do. I may have to look into that and see if it's something my boiler supports. I also want to look at adding smart valves later, money being the restricting factor there, but i've also heard they have connection issues since they all need to connect to the internet dongle thing you get with the thermostat and thus I may need additional ones of those.

Anyone else remember the absolute fiasco when they tried to retrospectively charge users for features?

Feel a bit robbed realising my one doesn't support opentherm as I believed it did when I purchased it! Have a non condensing boiler from moving house and will probably move to a heat pump so it won't affect me, but if I had went for a new condensing boiler I'd be annoyed to find out after fitting! 😡

Can you add a link to the new Tado thermostat that supports EMS Bus Worcester. I can't find anything about it on their site.

So could you do a video talking about how to figure out if our boiler is able to do modulation. And how to set it up? I also only have two cables that the old thermostat had so I used the same connections on the Tado when installing it. The whole modulation thing is basically still a mystery to me even after this video about how happy you are that it’s “back” 🙁

@KhainesKorner

Жыл бұрын

Same here. Only 2 wires so I got it all setup with that but no idea if my boiler supports modulation or how to set it up :)

Can't believe tado doesn't support modulation and open therm. Are you serious can we take tado to court for deceptive practices for anyone who bought a tado device and didn't know opentherm had been removed. This is like a ppi type claim. This is absolutely disgusting.

I was one of the people that found my house wasnt insulated properly (new build) I also clearly showed how much energy I saved on that room once insulated…much to the chagrin of our developer….who is an arse. :)

@multienergico9299

8 ай бұрын

How dod you find out that it wasn't property insulated?

We've had a Tado system for a good few years now - I can't honestly say it's changed the bills (small kids, I wasn't keeping track of bills pre smart meters etc), but I will absolutely shout from the hills they're great for setting asthmatics rooms warm enough that they stop coughing all night long when that lurgy arrives. Can keep the rest of the house off but keep the little ones rooms warmish. And measure all the heatwave temps for geekery and seeing if you should have the windows open or not 😎. Modulation is the one thing I'm missing out on with mine - if there's one with it I'll be grabbing it with both hands when we replace the boiler. I have the feeling we're not actually running that efficiently at the moment...

@missionunpossible

Жыл бұрын

I might *ahem* be zoning it a bit too aggressively too...

My biggest gripe with Tado is they took away simple, energy-saving automations that don't incur any added cost to them, and brought them back as an subscription-only model. Between that and taking away modulation they seem more concerned with stripping features to increase profits than adding new ones.

@JC-jv5xw

Жыл бұрын

Or rather, taking away a headline feature without telling anyone. Not very trustworthy. Coupled with the fact that the thermostat seems to need access to the server to work - when they decide to stop supporting it or go bust then your heating will not work. It has happened with other manufacturers.....

@jabberwock95

Жыл бұрын

@@JC-jv5xw Exactly right. AFAIK, your schedule is NOT stored locally with Tado so as soon as their servers go down... you need a new thermostat. I just don't want that kind of timebomb.

What's the plan for updating EMS+ (edit: I meant EMS2) bus protocols for the Worcester Bosch Greenstar 8000 series? This seems to be such a key interface and yet we have only relay control as the option.

Also, Tado should allow setting boiler max flow temperature from the app. If the thermostat is in modulating mode, you can change the flow temp only by contacting Tado support. Note: For condensing boilers the lower the flow temp the more efficient it is.

@Gumpdumpuk

Жыл бұрын

Also enabling different heating curves, rather than them deciding how hard it should be trying each house is very different on what it needs.

@VasilievFlorin

Жыл бұрын

that will be great. Please tado team: read this! :)

@SinnerDeveloper

Жыл бұрын

Good point, I had the same issue with my Ariston Genus ONE. If the heat request was 100% the flow temp set by Tado was 82 C. I changed the max temp from the boiler and set it to 60 C because condensing would be gone.

Very Interesting content! While I know this is valid for UK market, Do you know if the Tado sold in the "rest" of EU still have the modulation built-in? From my understanding and judging by (the Italian) Tado website, looks like they provide a list of the compatible boilers and 1 of the columns is dedicated to "modulating control"

Great video As an installer. It may be something I look to start fitting Starting with my own home

Thanks for the helpful information 😊

Cameron, it you're reading these comments, do you know when the modulating features will be brought back to the UK thermostats? I'm looking to get my parents set up with this but don't want to go and buy a v3 until I know it defo has the feature built in. Thanks.

Great news! Do you know if it supports 2 zones/under floor heating??

Hi, I have used tado for little over a year now and I'm impressed. I've had a little problem with one of the termostats. A battery leaked and caused the termostat to open fully. So change the batteries after a year to prevent that 🙂. I'm a plumber from Denmark and right now I'm only installin heat pumps. Just a little info about me. Thanks for a good Channel

@HeatGeek

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't put a tado in a heat pump as it's can't intelligently interface woth them yet!

@kimskyttegaard

Жыл бұрын

@@HeatGeek I'm not using a heat pump, I'm installin them. In Denmark we have central power plants which producees warm water and sends it to domestic houses like mine. I only use the tado termostats on danfoss valves and their app to control them

@HeatGeek

Жыл бұрын

@@kimskyttegaard with you!

@CameronHarrisWood

Жыл бұрын

​@@kimskyttegaard Denmark's an interesting country in this respect, same with many Swedish homes! TRV only homes make a lot of sense if you have district heating. I hope you're finding value with these tado°s and the install experience is good for you and the customer :)

@kimskyttegaard

Жыл бұрын

@@CameronHarrisWood It would be nice to have a solution for return valves, where the measurements are on the water and not the air.

I've just today received an update for my Tado via my account, they've tweaked it to work with my ASHP! I'm hoping it works to increase efficiency, but I'm already seeing a massive difference with the reduction in cycling. I'll post an update soon, cheers!!

@HeatGeek

Жыл бұрын

Strange.. you should have already had wether compensation installed??

@bavskijt

Жыл бұрын

@@HeatGeek I should have explained - I have WC on my Midea system that automatically deals with the flow temperatures as per any other WC system. The problem I was having was that the Tado was calling for heat and cycling the ASHP as if it were a boiler. After a lengthy message thread, Tado escalated it and came up with a specific solution to reduce the cycles, which by the way were wasting so much energy it was driving me to despair!! I've pasted their reply to give some more context. So far so good though, it looks to have solved the issue. I'm hoping a lot more people see this, as the system really does need tailoring for every ASHP owner controlling via a Tado: Hello, Thanks for your message. We have applied the parameters for the heat pump. This will reduce the on/off cycles of the heat pump as it is recommended by our developers. This also means that the relay mechanism is only activated by 50% of heat requests. In case you have any more questions, do not hesitate to reach out to me directly.

I would love to get my hands on the modulating control he mentions in the interview saying you can get it on the professionals part of the Tado website, now unless my peepers are deceiving me I can't see it anywhere, it would be really helpful to have a link to it or an exact part name...any chance you can hook us up?

@geejaybee

4 ай бұрын

It's labelled as the EU version.

Will Tado be offering a trade in for the V3. I bought it thinking it would have modulation and not just on off

Doesn't matter why people weren't using modulation, you should give them the option!! I bought the stat expecting the option, because it existed in prior versions, and now I'm stuck with 1980s heating. Still mad about this. Fix it.

can we get a link to the page that was mentioned for the new receiver?

I brought my tado last year. One of the reasons I bought it was because of the ability to use modulation. I then found out my boiler didn't support this. It looks like our boiler is nearing the end of its life now and I'm looking to upgrade the boiler. I was definitely looking to get a boiler that supports modulation but then found out that tado in the UK doesn't support this. I was really frustrated with this because I've sunk a load of money into the system and only found out afterwards it doesn't support one of the main features I bought it for. I was then excited that they are now bringing it back but I'm in their website now and cannot find out what it is I need to upgrade my system to support modulation. I'm not sure if I'm just being stupid or if it isn't clear. Can someone point me in the direction of the product I need to upgrade my system? Also will it void the manufacturers warranty if I'm installing this?

@carlcat11

6 ай бұрын

I've got tado thermostatic valves. However I have a nest thermostat and a new Intergas Xclusive 30 boiler which works perfectly on opentherm modulation with the Google nest stat. Also UK

I've just bought a Tado system based on the fact it can do modulation however can't find anything on the website regarding this or how to wire it up to my new boiler. Had I seen this video before hand I'd probably have gone for another system and I'm currently considering returning the whole lot, very annoying!

@Heat Geek still can't find the modulating wireless version on the Tado website. Can you post a product link if it is available now?

I’m not sure if I’m just confused but what about modulating functions and system boilers? Have a system boiler yet when I click on the link to the new product it says for Combi boilers?

Interesting. I got an email from Tado two days ago advertising the "Heat Pump Connector" and ordered it immediately. Since my Vaillant heat pump doesn't really offer any way to integrate into Home Assistant or pair with Tibber dynamic prices, I am hoping Tado will fix that. There wasn't exactly a lot of info given on the Website for the Heat Pump Connector so I am taking a bit of a leap of faith and hope I don't come to regret it.

@chrisskeen3350

6 ай бұрын

How did you find it? Bit difficult to see how it intergrates on their website.

@rolandrohde

6 ай бұрын

@@chrisskeen3350 I tried it for several months and it works (controls the heat pump via eBus) but for me there was simply no real benefit to using it that I could see and it also occasionally created some inconsistent reactions I didn't like, possibly also due to the fact that it was/is still in beta. I ultimately decided not to use it for now.

@HeatGeek Hi really love your channel you have clarified alot technical experience that I have theorised over the years from my experience gained within the industry. But I am lost when it comes to "tado" there is no opentherm option? You mentioned that it speaks bus language of Vaillant but I only have option of on/off control? I usually recommend and use "nest" personally in my 1930s house as I find it's opentherm setup a good compromise over weather comp on my particular home as its still ongoing project. I fitted the Tado in my log cabin salon for my partner which has Vaillant ecotec and can only see option for on/off control which I don't class as smart please can you advise if I have missed something before I return the stat?

What is a good wired thermostat to use with a Vaillant ecotec 831 combi please. The old Honeywell I have, the screen is failing on it.

Having much more detailed and customisable data graphing would be the biggest improvement to allow highlighting trends and such like

QUESTION If I install TADO UK model on S PLAN but then lower the cylinder tank temp to 45c Does it mean that the Ideal Vogue Max will work on the condensing mode? How would I tell if it's condensing ? Btw, would I be able to get weather compensation on the boiler ?? And will that work out ? Cheers

Just checked the pro section of the Tado web site, Opentherm is only available for combi not S/Y-Plan, with wireless thermostat. This is not mentioned anywhere in this video. I love the room control with the Tado system but hate the way it works the boiler, without modulation. It looks like my only option would be to go back to the '70s and route a wired thermostat all the way from my utility room to living room. Another thing that was not explained in the video, why the different strategies for wired and wireless?

Mr Tado, any chance you can get tech to allow the relays to be active when BUS control is being used, this could help with PDHW setups on UK s-plan updates. Please close the CH realy when the DHW is being heated. Oh and advertise your app for the trades is very good, digital setup is just a click or two away now!!

@CameronHarrisWood I'm not seeing the Tado wireless thermostat available anywhere with modulating controls. Or at least, I'm not seeing anything which explicitly states this. On the video you refer to it being available for Pros on their website, but I can't see anything...?

Just contacted Tado support to purchase a controller that talks to my Veissmann boiler 050, openthern protocol. Unfortunately, the usual disconnect between marketing and manufacturing. Support say, we do not sell this product to the UK. Currently using a Nest V3...which I hate.

I've just had installed a vaillant ecotec 32kw plus . We have a ESI ESRTP4RF+ with boiler. I'm keen to integrate smart control for heating (GOOGLE) looking at tad with modulation now they've brought it back wireless to UK 👍 will my boiler be too powerful for tado modulation as I've read bits and bobs on forum (I'm clueless looking to eliminate problems b4 purchase) Thanks people

It really surprises me to see no mention or discussion or videos about the Drayton Wiser system on this channel. It may not speak all the BUS languages that Tado does, but it's local control (no reliance on cloud other than for remote control when not at home), has iTRVs, supports OpenTherm and is about half the price of Tado.

@guillaumed

Жыл бұрын

Hi Robert, where do you see the Drayton Wiser system half the price as tado?

Thanks for the video both. A few thoughts: 1) The product seems to be sold out 2) He said he'd give you the list of languages it supports and you said you'd include in the description of this video, but they haven't done the same and included them in the product description of on their page. I'd love to see them make everything more clear as a next step. 3) Tado should be paying heat geek for some consultancy!

@HeatGeek

Жыл бұрын

The list is in the description!!

@colourmafia

Жыл бұрын

@@HeatGeek Yeah man exactly, i mean you've put it in your video description but i find it odd it's not in their product description. My point is you're doing a better job of explaining it all!

@HeatGeek

Жыл бұрын

@@colourmafia got you! They are being tentative because last time around it caused an absolute nightmare it seems and I totally get that to be fair!

@CameronHarrisWood

Жыл бұрын

@@HeatGeek @Dylan Tucker - Hey, Cameron from tado° here. Good point! I'll speak to the team about this and getting the details updated and well communicated. Adam does a fantastic job at distilling complex information in an easy to understand manner. Hopefully we can improve at these things and learn from him and others, including yourself so thank you!

@Ashkinda

5 ай бұрын

Hi, suggestion for a video which discusses how things have progressed since this video was released a year ago please, I'm currently researching for a heating solution for my home and taking into account the fact that the modulating functionality is still absent from the main product line would you still recommend tado as the "ultimate 3rd party controller"? Thanks!@@HeatGeek

I would like to have one of this. Just not sure how to proceed as I'm leaving in a rented house. Probably need to talk with the landlord to install the wireless to the boiler but I'm quite sure the landlord would ask to pay a professional instead I do by myself.

sorry - newby question -What Tado equipment would i need so that the temperature in one room went below a set temp then the boiler would kick in.. and once the temperature was reached the heating would go off ?? - sorry - think this is called zoning but I'm completely green for this... looked at the website but this does not look clear to me.... sorry....

Do you need a thermostat if the boiler has weather compensation? Im getting a viessmann 050 installed..

Question can a boiler except bus data from multiple thermostats for weather compensation?

Had Tado for years until my new boiler installer broke it. Have Nest now but not a patch on Tado which had wonderful features including geofencing and learning something that doesn’t work with Nest. Yin could also just boost for an hour say at night and go to bed It’s biggest fault was your schedule data being held on a server so if internet goes off and you’re away it will either stay off or on permanently. This is where nest is better as schedule data held on unit. If Tado had this I would switch back.

@TJ_Thunk_It

Жыл бұрын

I just purchased a Tado, nowhere on the information does it state the system cannot fall-back to scheduling. Frankly, this is a deal-breaking design flaw. I have requested a return of mine with the supplier. @Heat Geek, is this really something you would find acceptable? There are literally so many ways your internet could go down and to not have the device revert to schedule, is crazy...imagine Grandma, or young kids sitting in a cold house, with no hot water and heating, all because their internet connection went down, or their switch or router failed. It's nuts and Tado should think very hard about adding this feature. I certainly couldn't recommend this device to anyone. This is their number one requested feature (440+ votes), and they just decline to do anything about it for all their existing customers, instead probably focussing their time on new paid-for feature. Pretty shocking Engineering tbh.

@tutoriel1000

Жыл бұрын

@@TJ_Thunk_It you can still use them manually they just won't turn off automatically nor turn on automatically but if you turn the trv it will open

@TJ_Thunk_It

Жыл бұрын

@@tutoriel1000 Hi, yes I'm aware of this, but frankly it's just a stupid design. Imagine being on holiday and your internet goes down for one of the many reasons they do...if you're heating is on, it will stay on and you have no way of knowing, or if it goes down in the night, you have no hot water in the morning...frankly whoever thought not having local backup was a good idea should be fired...it's ridiculous

I’m looking at upgrading my system with Tado. I have a Worcester Greenstar CDi 36 which I believe is capable of modulating control? I’m planning on paying a pro to install so I can ensure that it’s setup correctly and works as it should. I really need advice on what to do with my system to make the most out of it and of course save money long term. Do I need a wireless or a wired thermostat? Do I need to have rad TRVs, all of mine have a manual TRV now apart from one rad in the hall and two towel rails which do not. Do I need a wireless receiver? I need an expert to look at my system and say this is what you can do, this is what it will cost and I can come on this day and do it for you….. Got too many questions 🤯

Tado is great until you lose Internet connection or their servers go down. Then no heating as no schedules held locally. Avoid until they fix this.

Direct links to the new product mentioned would be helpful

It's very difficult to find if the Tado thermostats support modulating control on thier website, this is important information I need to know before buying one!!!

I have a Tado thermostat which is setup to be modulating on a Valiant boiler. Is there a way to find out the flow temperature? I want to switch to a heat pump and feel this would be a brilliant piece of info to have.

@CameronHarrisWood

Жыл бұрын

Hi Paul, that's a good question! I'm best placed in the business to help you with the answer unfortunately. Gathering information on your flow temperatures is probably a place where we'll see a lot of innovation and interest as people start having the same questions as you. I'm not familiar with an option within tado° to see this, but I'll suggest it to the right team members

How do I know if my wireless Tado controller supports modulating control and if it is setup to do so? Bought mine in 2020 from Amazon (part number ‎V3P-SK-ST01EK01IB01-TC-UK), it was installed by the heating engineer when we replaced the boiler

@paulgoffin8054

Жыл бұрын

Switch it off, take the cover off the controller and look. The labelling on the contacts makes it clear if they have Bus support or if they're just on/off relays.

Anyone any experience with the Drayton alternative? Unlike Tado, Drayton have range extenders and full local control and timers if the internet connection fails.

With not supporting UK firm Wiser rather than this one ... Which is providing similar product compatible with the new standard matter ?

Hey Heat Geek Community, Adam and possibly even Cameron. Question, can 2 or more wired Tado stats utilise Opentherm? We have UFH downstairs and rads upstairs via a combi boiler. Just confused as to which Tado product/products will make this happen? I've found the answer to this question very hard to find going via the Tado support as it points me to the wrong answers/scenario.

@user-df4xm2qq7h

7 ай бұрын

I’ve got the same issue. It’s impossible to get any information

Not sure why the room looses heat fast. I would suspect the large window and the insulation or lack of it in the sloping part of the ceiling.

What would be a sensible temperature to setback unused rooms to? Ours are currently off (frost protection) when a room isn’t in use.

@noahnoahnoahnoah

Жыл бұрын

Watch the heat geek videos on zoning

@heat geek If you were installing a vitodens 200w combi what controls would you suggest to compliment the weather comp. Cost is no issue

@TheMrSquigz

Жыл бұрын

Nothing at all. The Viessamnn WC is great on its own.

It could be because the Tado installation instructions defaulted to on/off control. It is what happened when I installed on our Glow-worm boiler. Fortunately, I managed to find the digital instructions and get it working with E-Bus and the Tado system works great with it! Modulating controls is something to shout about, especially when so much of the "smart thermostat" competition is anything but smart. What I would like to know is how is Tado developing to maximise the benefits of a Tado system if / when an ASHP is fitted? eg specific behaviour of TRV controls for heat pump installations.

@CameronHarrisWood

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for flagging this, we do need to look internally about how we communicate these to the end user, and we will do. On your other question, its a good point. We're still talking about ASHPs internally and what we can offer, so lots to do and think about. We hope that we find a solution that really makes the most out of intelligently controlling heat pumps and TRVs as Adam pointed out. We're hesitant to talk in details yet, because we're still looking at what we can do and how we do it. Keep watching, keep asking and we'll keep listening to build something great for you

@MrKlawUK

Жыл бұрын

also if you’re doing like for like and have old controls which may be on/off only, users may not want to be opening up the electrical box on the boiler

@CameronHarrisWood

Жыл бұрын

​@@MrKlawUK this is true. It's part of our thinking behind keeping one on the 'installer' shop, and the other on more consumer focused channels. Some folks are more comfortable than others doing these DIY installs, and others will want to ask for help from a trusted heat engineer

@arundalep

Жыл бұрын

I think the takeaway from this is that Tado could be much more useful for adding smart modulation to existing and new boilers. I too would love to see Tado play a more active roll in making their equipment more useful for improvement efficiency of both condensing boilers and heat pumps.

@CameronHarrisWood

Жыл бұрын

@@arundalep I hope we can impress you Paul - these are all places we want to contribute to positively as you say

Can it control hybrid. gas boiler /heat pump hybrid system controlled by the energy tariffs

The only thermostats I see on Tado's website and just switching the live return, what am I missing?

@CameronHarrisWood

Жыл бұрын

Hey Paul, should be up here, though we might need to update the descriptions a bit as people have noted - uk.installers-shop.tado.com

@Heat Geek my question is will the opentherm function with Tado work alongside the outdoor weather sensor for my Baxi 600 combi boiler. I’m struggling to find a definitive answer!

@philtaylor194

Жыл бұрын

I asked Baxi tech support via Twitter (and Tado), the answer is YES. The 600 and 800 have separate ports for weather comp and opentherm.

@Wizowes95

Жыл бұрын

@@philtaylor194 I know the boiler has the ability to use a weather sensor + opentherm. My question was if Tado uses the readings from my outdoor weather sensor when in opentherm mode. Upon further research I have done this isn’t the case, Tado completely ignores the weather sensor data when configured in opentherm.

I only wished I had seen this before shelling out for 6 TRV's and a Thermostat. My Boiler is only 3 years old, so supports modulation but I now have a wireless setup, which is a shame. Ah well...

What about the boiler manufacturers, who will not let you connect it to the bus connection

Good Video , I bought the starter kit from Screwfix but boy do I regret it. Tado Support is pretty useless . My boiler switches on automatically even if the wireless thermostat is switched off. read the trust pilot reviews the most recent ones .

I have had a Tado for years. It used to be really good but in the last few years added features don't work that well. The simple heating hours tally doesn't even work as they include hours when the Tado is asking for heat but the boiler isn't even fired up! Energy IQ which could be really useful doesn't reflect energy usage at all probably due to the heating hours being wrong. The smart radiator thermostats when they can call for heat turn themselves so low at times the radiator that is asking for heat often doesn't get enough so the boiler stays on for ages. If they're set as independent they open up more so they actually work. Early start feature used to work well but now it's hit and miss so target temperature is often not reached anywhere near the correct time. Ideas are great but some of the implementation is a bit weak at times.

I have just had my system updated to Tado which I find fantastic to use but a real pain when it keeps telling me one or both of my thermostats are off line. Like my plumber/electrician we both thought my Sky booster should help but there is no paperwork and what I found on the Tado site tells you nothing. If it was not for the Tado Community site I would have been up a creek without a paddle. So it turns out that Tado wifi does not work with others and they do not do a Tado booster either. Fortunately having ethernet to the bedroom I plugged the bridging unit in there and now I have perfect reception. I truly love Tado and how it operates but the after service sucks. Regards Chris

How do Tado continue to make this totally confusing? It’s only available on the professional site? OK, Which one is it?

ohh that reminds me I need to send Cameron his non-modulating Tado stat back ;)

@CameronHarrisWood

Жыл бұрын

I'll trade you for a modulating one ;)

@UrbanPlumbers

Жыл бұрын

@@CameronHarrisWood sure - people have been asking for ages for a review fo Tado

@robkarloff

Жыл бұрын

So - you still get digital connections on the Wired Tado stat. Initially, I bought the UK V3+ wireless starter kit with hot water control to replace my S-plan system thermostat. I then got some TRVs. Then I bought an add-on wired thermostat, connected that to the boiler via the digital terminals and set to OpenTherm mode, and changed my CH valve for a N/O valve which is powered from the switched live on the DHW valve (PDHW). The wireless receiver (and cylinder stat) is still controlling the original N/C DHW valve via the wireless thermostat (located in the kitchen), and the new wired thermostat (located in the utility room) is controlling the CH via OpenTherm. Easy peasy to go into each room in the Tado app and change the Zone Controller over to the wired thermostat. It would be nice to have the digital terminals in the wireless receiver box, but adding on a wired thermostat for OpenTherm control wasn't the end of the world, and way easier than trying to find European extension kits via eBay to get the option!

@Johntasker178

Жыл бұрын

@@robkarloff Hi really interested to know what boiler you are running, this seems to be a straightforward work around for anyone with tado UK wireless receiver kit planning new boiler install with ability to use its functionally 👍

@robkarloff

Жыл бұрын

@@Johntasker178 Ideal Logic Heat 30. When the DHW is off, the boiler is controlled by the wired Tado thermostat via OpenTherm. When the hot water is on in Tado and the cylinder stat is not satisfied, the wireless receiver turns on the DHW zone valve, which powers closed the normally open CH valve, and sends a traditional switched live to the boiler. That boiler switched live overrides both OpenTherm control and weather compensation and runs the boiler at whatever temp is set on the boiler front panel temp dial, to recharge the DHW cylinder (I have it on max to reheat as quickly as possible). When the hot water demand is satisfied or the hot water control turns off in the app, the boiler goes back to normal CH OpenTherm control via the wired Tado thermostat. I have my hot water set in the app to come on for an hour, once at 14:00 - 15:00 and again at 22:00 - 23:00. This is on a Joule Cyclone 250L indirect cylinder, which is only 5 years old and has very little heat loss.

I bought a wired starter kit last month specifically to modulate my Vaillant, via OpenTherm, having viewed the other HeatGeek video and checked in the chat. Is this definitely going to work? I haven't installed it yet because I haven't figured out how to isolate the power at the thermostat (and my wife will give me grief if something goes wrong).. now I'm wondering if I should send it back? I'm also concerned that it won't work at all if the internet fails

@HeatGeek

Жыл бұрын

No, it will modulate via ebus though!. I advise an engineer

@stephenhall1774

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Adam

@stephenhall1774

Жыл бұрын

I fitted it successfully today, but here's some feedback for Tado, your instructions to consumers specify using the relay circuit which I now found out doesn't modulate! Apparently you have to wire to the digital terminals for the ebus and get the benefits! Crazy to instruct everyone to use the relay. I now have to do more investigation and do it again!

Simple question. I understand that modulation reduces the output of the boiler. Does a lower output always means a lower temperature to the radiators?

@kharyandmariemanderson9347

Жыл бұрын

No modulation just means that the boiler fires at lower flow temperatures and in doing so avoids wastage. It may take longer to get to your desired temperature but it’s more efficient. A boiler thermostats without modulation would fire the boiler at full blast, sometimes 30kwh… get to the temperature quickly, overshoot then switch off the boiler again waiting for the temperature to drop. It’s simply not necessary when you can fire the boiler at 3kw get the temperature more slowly and keep that low level of burn constantly to maintain the temperature. So no more on off cycling. It’s also way better for you boiler as that very on off cycling causes so much wear and tear on the boiler.

@MrRawMonkey

Жыл бұрын

@@kharyandmariemanderson9347 I am still not clear. If the boiler fires at a lower flow temperature is that not the same as a variable lower temperature to the radiators?

@kharyandmariemanderson9347

Жыл бұрын

@@MrRawMonkey yes. Here is another example. You are driving a car an want to maintain a speed of 30mph in getting to the shops. The ‘non modulated boiler’ approach would be to floor the accelerator to the max, every time the speed drops below 30mph. Then when the car inevitably overshoots 30mph it takes the foot off the pedal. So you get this sharp on off approach which shoots over and under 30mph. The modulated approach would allow you you simply hold the accelerator at the right level to achieve 30mph. You can imagine I’m the first example you would use far more fuel than in the second example. It’s the same with boilers. The flow rate will be matched to the minimum amount needed to achieve your desired temperature. Moreover modern boiler designs are really efficient when the boiler a) has a lower flow temp below 55 degrees or below b) left on more more constant periods. Both of the above enable the condensing cycle which recaptures the heat in the system. Hope that helps

Lots of reviews criticise Tado for the wireless controls not functioning well in large houses with thick walls - possibly not compatible with mesh wifi and the max of one radio "bridge" per set-up not sufficing, batteries in TRVs dying rapidly because of constant failed attempts to communicate. Has this problem been resolved please? Thanks

@paulgoffin8054

Жыл бұрын

No, no solution. Tado doesn't use Wifi for communication between their devices and their Internet bridge and they don't support any kind of mesh network. If you can't find a location for the bridge that works reliably for your situation, then you're stuffed.

Doesn't look like they have brought it back to uk yet ?

I like information and learning new things. And being originally from UK like to follow what is happening. Where I live now is in a time warp and that suits me fine. The reason I watch this channel is because I believe in what Heat Geeks are trying to do. It is definitely an education. The cost of something as simple as heating your home is going mad. If I was still there finding cost effective alternatives would be high on the agenda. But this video highlights the same old problem. If you have the money you can save money. New technology is expensive until it is not new but common place. Heat pumps are super expensive. This blokes thermostat is obviously expensive. The government grant for as long as it lasts still favours the rich. In your average terraced house that millions live in I don't believe retro fit Heat pumps are currently a viable solution. What else is out there to save the working man money that he doesn't have to hock his Granny to install. I watch the heat pump install videos. Posh houses in the stock broker belt. I used to live in a 2 up 2 down terrace with thousands the same around me. Stand in the kitchen and practically touch all four walls. Even the tiny gas boilers taking up valuable space. These heat pumps seem huge. And then you have buffer tanks and huge pipe runs etc. You say you look to the future of the heating industry. What is being done for the lower end of the market. The people that really need to save money. Compact. Cheap to install and buy. Cheaper to run units that fit the average 2 up 2 down. Probably not a lot. They used to say if you wanted to see what was happening in the car world look at a Mercedes SL and you will see what might be on your car in 10 to 20 years time. This seems the same. The technology is out there at a price but we can't all afford an SL Mercedes.

@Etacovda63

Жыл бұрын

air to air heatpumps.

@davetaylor4741

Жыл бұрын

@@Etacovda63 Exactly. I live in Australia now and that is basically all we use. I have had this discussion in heat geeks comments before. Can be quite expensive to run. And the comments I got back were about getting people to go away from the water heating. But I'm with you.

@Etacovda63

Жыл бұрын

@@davetaylor4741 - they're no more expensive to run than an air to water would be (cheaper if sized right). Insulation of the house is key.

@davetaylor4741

Жыл бұрын

@@Etacovda63 I run a 3Kw. A 6.6Kw and a small 1.5Kw. In 45C heat cooling they suck juice. Fortunately I run mine on solar. On a bitterly cold day would do the same on heat. But I agree the insulation would be the major factor. Aussie homes are terrible for insulation. And all single glazed. A small well insulated English home much better.

@magicker8052

Жыл бұрын

given the cost of the TRVs I dont think you are going to save anything

Great to see Tado making progressive moves. But as I understand they have to reverse engineer the bus modules in order to support them (notably Vaillant) because the manufacturers won't work with them. And even more ridiculous is Vaillant having an OpenTherm module but their own part invalidating your warranty in the UK. (As a consumer) I won't be installing Vaillant in future but it's frustrating as a boiler is once in a dozen years purchase these days. Would be great if you could interview them, or any manufacturer and ask why they aren't doing enough, when there is opportunity for helping, during an energy crisis.

I replaced my standard danfoss timer and room stat with a V2 wired stat and controller using the tado app instructions. Does that mean it's now able to modulate or does it need wiring different at the boiler side? Presuming the old controller was just wired into a switched live at the boiler and not into any intelligent controls?

@TheMrSquigz

Жыл бұрын

If it’s just on a 0 voltage or 240v switch, it won’t be able to communicate to modulate the boiler. You will need to wire the mutiBUS on the Tado to the BUS connections on your boiler. I’ve not used a Tado for a long time, so I can’t be any more help than that I’m afraid.

@rodgerq

Жыл бұрын

@@TheMrSquigz no worries mate, I appreciate the advice, it gives me something to springboard off of in my search.

@guillaumed

Жыл бұрын

so your setup is made of a tado wired thermostat and a tado internet bridge? take a look at the wiring on the wired thermostat, if it has "A - +" on the right, the thermostat can be used to modulate a compatible boiler.

@rodgerq

Жыл бұрын

@@guillaumed I have the wired thermostat and the extension kit. But yeah, the thermostat and the extension kit both have the low voltage modulating connections. The extension kit is closer so I'll be using that instead. I found the pro installers information on the tado site and read a load of threads about wiring into the WB PCB, it seems pretty simple. A few folk report that changing the settings on the thermostat to allow for modulation somehow breaks the connection to the Trvs, and that they've had to contact tado to reinstate that, so I'll need to play that by ear.

Worc Bosch boilers are they comparable yet?

No hot water control when using Viessmann KMBus? So not much use with a system boiler?

@Leonards-leopard

Жыл бұрын

You can’t use modulating controls with system boilers plumbed in s and y plan, you would need to replumb to x plan

I spoke to Tado today and they said EMS bus modulation is NOT available!!?? Now I don't know if to buy one or not! 🤪 Any clarification would be super helpful!!?

@HeatGeek

Жыл бұрын

New ems isn't old os I believe...

Love the look of the Tado thermostat and TRVs but, despite this video, I'm not sure how they would work with ASHP?

@ricos1497

Жыл бұрын

I get the impression that they wouldn't, yet. Sorry, I mean they might work, just that they wouldn't provide the benefits that come with using as part of a gas system.

@LeiChat

Жыл бұрын

Just dawned on me, when Adam was describing how some brands of ASHP don't have great controls, he was probably envisaging them being replaced entirely by Tado.

Hello I got the TADO EU model and the idea was to utilize it Opentherm with my System Boiler (Ideal Vogue Max). I thought I can use it to have two seperate flows: one for Hot Water and one for Central Heating. Apparently with Tado you cannot control HW/CH. 🙄 Though, it has one RELAY: Com NC NO So what now?? Can I do what I want or will need NEST for what I want???

@Leonards-leopard

Жыл бұрын

You can’t use modulating controls with system boilers in s and y plan. You’d need to replumb to x plan before you could.

@bimiuk4051

Жыл бұрын

@@Leonards-leopard right, if I replace the CH zone valve with a NormallyOpen valve = is that an X Plan? If yes, will TADO EU modulate the two seperate flow temp? Furthermore, the Tado EU version has ONE RELAY in the back with COM NC NO What goes in there? Also, what about Opentherm? Will that work? Or ru referring Modulation to Opentherm?

@bimiuk4051

Жыл бұрын

@@Leonards-leopard have u heard about HALO HEAT & SYSTEM WIFI ?? Apparently supports Opentherm on a S PLAN without rewiring. Not sure if i am following it.

Is there the mentioned link to buy a Tado that has modulation support? I think this video has confused me even more. Are there only specific hardware variants of Tado that will do bus communication? What about ones currently in the supply chain, at Amazon/Argos/whoever? What about the factory refurb stock on the Tado website? Will any of these be able to do bus control?

@pauldavies8589

Жыл бұрын

I've been trying to buy a Valiant controller but nobody has any sensoTherm stock anywhere, so Tado is potentially the last available option for modulation.

@phillipdeackes4920

Жыл бұрын

@@pauldavies8589 I have the Vaillant ecoTEC Pro 28 and am using an older Tado Extension Kit which correctly modulates the boiler. The only connection necessary is the digital + and - connection the the BUS terminals at either end. Tado stopped supporting BUS control in the UK but EU models supported it. According to this video Tado has reintroduced wireless modulation in the UK. The problem has always been that Tado didn't push modulations and withdrew modulation from their wireless devices without telling anyone. My Vaillant specialist installer was amazed that Tado could modulate my boiler - he had been trained to believe that only Vaillant controllers worked with the proprietary Vaillant eBUS.

@pauldavies8589

Жыл бұрын

@@phillipdeackes4920 good to know you have it working on exactly the boiler I have! 😀 But unless I'm being stupid, I don't understand what I need to buy if I want a bus-working Tado here. Why does it have to be bought from a specific location if it's just software? And also it has to be said it seems to be a bit of a risk - what if they decide to just take it away again?

@pauldavies8589

Жыл бұрын

@@phillipdeackes4920 this helps a lot, thanks so much! I've obviously misunderstood!

@pauldavies8589

Жыл бұрын

@@phillipdeackes4920 thanks so much! Why I assumed this was a software issue I've no idea 🤦How do you find the modulation, does it work well (I assume it's dependent on internet-based weather data so wondered if that's a bit hit and miss?)

Another good video Adam. A couple of things. I have a Daikin ASHP and also have TADO TRV’s for the upstairs Rads but what’s a wireless modulator? Obviously the TADO system I currently have is on/off I guess. The only bit of feedback I didn’t like about TADO is their support is pretty slow and was only via online chat emails. In this day and age, people need to talk on the phone or a better way for real-time communication.

I have to be honest... This pissed me off. I bought a brand new system yesterday from Screwfix (the black colour swayed me) and now they're saying that they deliberate offering a 'dumber' product to us idiot masses who don't buy at inflated prices through an installer. This difference should be made incredibly obvious on both the Screwfix product page etc. I for one am second guessing my purchase now

@johnbull5394

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Also because it makes installers' prices look inflated if the 'professional' version costs more, as it presumably does!

@hippydudemaxx

Жыл бұрын

@@johnbull5394 it usually doesn't actually cost any more, but Screwfix are running what looks like a great deal at the moment; the new black wireless starter kit for £99 instead of £189... Except you can't get the best out of it without buying a complete new wireless controller for another £89. Ridiculous!! I'm returning and reluctantly buying the wired model from Amazon on offer at £160 with a £48 off voucher at the moment, so £112 total... Otherwise i would be skipping this and going back to buying a Google nest product

Ah so now tado can speak to Worcester Bosch boiler... Just instaled the Bosch easy control thermostat with 4 bosch smart trvs, now I am wondering if tado would have been better...

Any advice on getting Smart Meters put in. I'm REALLY confused about them now

@Messimagician83

Жыл бұрын

Stay clear from them. You don't need to have a smart meter put in to monitor how much you're using. You can get clamp on monitors that can be fitted to existing meter

@nkt1

Жыл бұрын

Get them fitted. I've had no issues with mine. We'll all have them eventually anyway.

@Messimagician83

Жыл бұрын

Totally disagree. They can't force you to have a smart meter. It's all a con by giving cheaper tariffs for people who adopt them when electricity is the same no matter what meter you have. When they have enough people on them they will hike the prices up anyway. The thing with smart metres is they can hike them up on the fly. People need to wake and see the bigger picture because it's not about the customer benefiting it is the supplier. It's also putting people out of work

@nkt1

Жыл бұрын

@@Messimagician83 They can’t force you to have a smart meter now, but eventually that won’t be the case. The meters are part of the country’s energy infrastructure, and belong to the networks, not the consumer. Do we have any say in what kind of tills Tesco uses? Because I have a smart meter, I’m paying 3p for gas and 15p for electricity today. That suits me down to the ground.

not have the ability to modulate my boiler with Tado was the biggest disappointment for me. When I bought it on amazon 2 years ago - I was expecting it to be doing it out of the box.

I am confused just ordered a Bosch 36CDi boiler and a EU receiver from the Tado store. Will it work and modulate or not??

@HeatGeek

Жыл бұрын

It doesn't do the new ems yet

@moedeeb

Жыл бұрын

@@HeatGeekbut isn’t this an older boiler using the old EMS ?

@HeatGeek

Жыл бұрын

@@moedeeb oh sorry it should do yes..

This is good news, but it *really* wasn’t clear when I bought my wireless receiver that it would be on/off only. The internet is a mixed place and a lot of the material at the time talked about modulation and opentherm etc. Is there any plan to offer a discounted or tradein opeion for those that bought the wireless thermostat instead of eg Hive specifically for the modulation?

@CameronHarrisWood

Жыл бұрын

Hi, part of this is an effort to raise awareness and clear up some of the information that had gotten confusing over the last few years. Unfortunately we don't have a program in place for a discount or trade in option, I'm sorry about that

@MrKlawUK

Жыл бұрын

@@CameronHarrisWood appreciate the reply - I’ve just seen there is a bolt-on as well which isn’t as expensive so thats an option. For Heat Geek, would be good to get a follow up on tado with opentherm following this. I’ve read mixed things about its modulation being load based vs a boiler with weather compensation being weather based. So eg on a warm day if the delta between the desired and current temp is high, Tado with opentherm will set a high flow temp which you may not want, where a weather compensating boiler would set a lower one. Comparing and contrasting may help those of us with relay based setups understand if its worth updating to opentherm or keeping relay and letting the boiler handle the flow temps?

@Oakey22

Жыл бұрын

I thought this too, have an on off version. Really hope they do some kind of trade in

@MrKlawUK

Жыл бұрын

@@Oakey22 they confirmed they don’t have any plans. You can buy just the receiver for about £70 which is about half the price the normal wireless starter kit is

Just spoken to tado on this, and seems the UK version doesnt support EMS any longer. Assuming they decided against it. What a shame

@geejaybee

4 ай бұрын

I believe you can get the EU version from the website, which does support OpenTherm

Good to see Cameron wearing a fleece 😁

@CameronHarrisWood

Жыл бұрын

It was a little cold that day! Heat the human first is a good mantra sometimes :)

@LeoShoSilva

Жыл бұрын

@@CameronHarrisWood Hahaha.I've just bought 2 starter V3+ Tado thermostats,still unused would like modulation what do you advise I do?

@CameronHarrisWood

Жыл бұрын

​@@LeoShoSilva Check if you have a modulating boiler first :) If you do, and you know how to fit it correctly to modulate, then the modulating thermostat is for you. If not, and you want to self-install, you might find it easier to go without this feature or ask a heat engineer to help you install it. This is why we still have the non-modulating thermostat on more consumer sales channels, as they take a little more knowledge to install. For all our products we have refunds and money back guarantees

@LeoShoSilva

Жыл бұрын

@@CameronHarrisWood Thanks,so are you saying I can return them to Tado and exchange them for modulating thermostat kits?That would be ideal,'scuse the pun :0)

@CameronHarrisWood

Жыл бұрын

@@LeoShoSilva This is true, but you'll need to make sure you purchase a starter kit at least once (as this includes the internet bridge). Unfortunately the starter kit for the modulating wireless thermostat is out of stock right now, but we'll be getting it back in stock very soon. It also seems like you have 2x zones based on buying 2x of these? I'd suggest reaching out to our customer support to best advice what works for your system. I'm hesitant to give customer support myself and wouldn't want you to purchase the wrong thing

So opentherm remains on the EU version but was removed from the UK version……as opentherm can save upto 10% on the gas bill, I’m going to try and source an EU version 🥴

So the v3 wireless I just had delivered from screwfix is no good??

@Leonards-leopard

Жыл бұрын

It depends what you want it for. It won’t modulate but it can control hot water cylinders.

@Alan_H82

Жыл бұрын

@@Leonards-leopard well I've got a combi so I'll just take it back 😑

Taking out opentherm seems mad... Whatever cost cutting measures there might be modulation seems the most critical part of any modern thermostat???

Shame Tado doesn't allow for using Octopus's 35% off code to buy the kit that does modulation. Just bought Worcester Comfort II controller off eBay instead. Gotta love blaming the people in the UK for removing it though. "Hey we had this feature that we didn't advertise properly to our customers, so we removed that feature for cost savings which don't exist because the price is exactly the same for both SKU's and stocking 2 SKU's cost more money than what we saved." It's more likely that the German company decided to remove an energy saving feature that cost pennies to include from UK models as a middle finger to the UK for Brexit. Short sighted company.

Any news when this is back in stock tado?

@chrisfletcher86

Жыл бұрын

I can't even find the product, spoke for £25 mins and didn't name it explicitly!