Early Dubs or Official Dubs?

@tudorbrancuturcu5996

10 күн бұрын

Official

@l.j.productions3833

10 күн бұрын

I choose BUZZ LIGHTYEAR!!!

@Kingdarrdarr_17

10 күн бұрын

Official dubs by far after watching this video

@harrisonallen651

10 күн бұрын

Official because Australia only had that dub home media releases

@greenninjalloyd4376

10 күн бұрын

Official and I happened to have a Filipino Malaysian DVD featuring the first 6 episodes of Season 3 narrated by Michael Angelis.

2:19 is the UK version of those George Carlin comedy edits

@GothRailfan

10 күн бұрын

"25,000 QUID!"

@joefrew1614

6 күн бұрын

Where was that audio from? An early British sitcom he was in?

@Stop-motion-Smokebox638

5 күн бұрын

@@joefrew1614 I think so

@tudorbrancuturcu5996

5 күн бұрын

A touch of frost

@Shakes-Off-Fear

4 күн бұрын

I’ve wanted to do that for Michael Angelis for some time

Considering how the early dubs only contained 16 episodes, it reminds me of the ringo starr US dub of season 2 that was also incomplete

That music cue at the end of The Trouble With Mud will always be one of my favorite pieces of incidental music in the entire show

@BrendanBarney

9 күн бұрын

You’re still active? I thought you weren’t making videos anymore.

10:42 “I’m an expresho, I don’t go shlow” That was the first joke at the top of my head that I could think of when hearing that lol

Love the Wilbert edit “You can’t do it !”😂

@BH-98

10 күн бұрын

“No”

@brind4001

10 күн бұрын

@@BH-98 “in so doing, they only showed their lamentable ignorance of railway practice…”

Personally I dont mind the breathing, it to me adds charm to the narration

16:55 Even though Thomas’s face contradicts what the narrator’s say that he goes to sleep but I kind of find it funny that Thomas tries to but Percy keeps him up most of the night.

I’m glad that they developed Thomas into a kinder, selfless, sensible, and funny nice guy

The Trouble with Trouble

@ThomasAndRandomRobloxGames

10 күн бұрын

so i wasnt the only one that saw that

@toyotaprius79

10 күн бұрын

The Trouble with *The Troubles

@ThomasAndRandomRobloxGames

9 күн бұрын

@@toyotaprius79 no, no, no. not going there.

I'm starting to realize that the team at the time in season 3 may have given george the early scripts

4:02, you and Tug are getting more and more even by every second XD.

It’s crazy how so many casual/fringe viewers of the show won’t realise how a gentle story about an engine enjoying a forest and being with nature and listening to birds could have been so controversial!

Great video, Luke. I was convinced as a 5 year old that I owned a Ringo Starr narration of series 3; obviously I was wrong!

I will confess if I saw the first dubs of Series 3 on VHS than the official dubs, I knew full well I would had been terrified of the Fat Controller scolding Percy in A Scarf for Percy.

@optiquemusic6204

4 күн бұрын

He sounds so much angrier. I don't like it.

Watching Series 3 on VHS is such a vibe.

While I am going with the official/final dub of the narrations for Series 3. As I grew up with it and such, there is something interesting about the early narrations, it's like watching the evolution of Michael Angelis' narration and seeing how much he has improved in both dubs. After all, Michael Angelis is my favourite Thomas narrator, I grew up with his voice and it wouldn't matter if I will be watching the early dub or the official/final dub. It's a win-win either way! ^^

Series 4 also had some early UK narrations (which likewise affected the US dubs of those episodes).

"I'm great western, and I'm-" "Qvack Qvack Qvack!" "What?" "Ye heard, qvack qvack ye go! Sounds like ye had an egg laid! Now wheesht and let an engine sleep!" "Quack yourself!" retorted Duck.

Fun fact: Thomas gets bumped early dub actually got aired on TV on the news when my Michael died

Season 3's history just keeps getting more interesting. I wonder if you or anyone else has considered taking the best parts of these dubs and mushing them together.

I could be completely wrong but I think they we’re more focused on getting the US Dub out first so that could be set to air alongside Shining Time Station on time in 1991 and then I’m assuming at some point afterwards Micheal Angelis got the job for narrating Thomas and had to rush him to get the UK Dub on VHS in 1991 becoming the Early Dub before they had him re-record the UK Dub for TV Airings in 1992 creating the Official Dub. Making this the first time for 2 Things 1. That this is the first time that a specific dub got 2 versions in 1 country and 2. That an Official Thomas Dub was Released in the US first instead of the UK as per usual in this time period. Plus this video (which is great coming off The Unlucky Tug’s Thomas VHS & DVD Oddities Video) sort of proves that and it about time we got a Exclusive Season 3 Comparison Video. Great Job Buddy, you’re starting to go up in the ranks of The Unlucky Tug for Best Thomas KZreadr Ever! Who knew KZreadrs could get SO BIG just reviewing a Show about “Talking Trains” and Usual Broke Luke is one of them.

@usualblokeluke

5 күн бұрын

Ya know I would not be surprised if that turned out to be the case For a series now made to premiere in other countries, you'd wanna make sure it does well enough in those ones compared to it's home UK country where it's already settled in Thank you very much for the kind words To hear that people consider me as a high ranking Thomas KZreadr means a lot

38:26 and possibly recorded his voice in the bathroom in series 3b which explains the sound quality of michael angelis's voice.

I find it interesting you say that Thomas Gets Bumped is your least favourite S3 episode. For me, it's my personal favourite non-RWS episode in all of Thomas, mainly for how well it sticks to the lore and shows character growth between Thomas and Bertie.

I’m so excited for this video I love learning new stuff about my favorite childhood show. I know that it’s going to be a banger even if we got a hour left. Great early birthday gift Luke keep up the good work.

I don't know if it's me or I feel that these early narrations sound as if Michael Angelis had confidence issues or sounded unenthusiastic and uninterested.

After seeing the Toby's Tightrope section of this video, I now remember having the Trust Thomas early dubs version on VHS as a kid, but I had Percy's Promise the official version on VHS, but I borrowed the Trust Thomas Official on VHS from a friend and compared them myself, but I didn't think that they were redubbed after the early releases.

Love that early face in the thumbnail even the video

The Trouble with Trouble... mm yes

When I first saw most of the UK dub of the show on YT, I had no idea there was an early narration for Series 3 as I saw the official versions (I don't count S4 due to its lines being recorded naturally, despite the lack of music or lines said earlier, but those were fixed). I first saw them a few years later only on Dailymotion (cause if there's any full episode to watch that is blocked, it's that site). I would point out that those lines the early narration did that was not present later in the UK dub like Famous Visitor was also said in the official US dub. In my opinion, I never really liked each narration that Angelis did in between early and official releases (save for Henry's Forest and Christmas Adventure). Not saying they're bad, but apart from those awkward moments of silence or lack of music (or simply reused lines that are the same as the next), but the audio quality differs throughout the season in A and B, not to mention he often rushes his narrations in a few areas and they aren't exactly timed (Tender Engines is a prime example). However, I'd be lying if I didn't say I relate to Angelis' breathing cause when reading my character lines especially of my own series, I often mess up on a few takes and having to redo them, only for the breathing to come in and I had to try and find ways to make it not present, sometimes works - other times doesn't and I had to accept of what I have. Overall though, I gravitate towards the US dub more cause of how George Carlin timed his narrations and gave the emotions naturally. But for anyone who enjoys both early and official UK dubs, that's fine too. Also, you're not alone about Michael Angelis' Diesel voice - I do too (and I wonder if that would later influence that said voice for when Kerry Shale voiced him in CGI).

As a US Viewer, I never knew there was 2 versions of the UK dub in Season 3 with the 16 episodes. But if I had to pick one, I choose the redub cuz even though there are some lines that were cut out from the earlier dub (which would be used in the US dub) or altered, they actually makes it a little more natural and unique. Also I didn’t noticed until now but some of the music in the official UK dub is missing in the US dub, like Percy’s Promise and Thomas and Stepney.

23:11 - Ah yes my favourite episode "The Trouble with Trouble"

@usualblokeluke

9 күн бұрын

Always remember to spell check before you export videos 😂

I would have watched the early dubs on VHS as a kid, but then the later dubs when watching the DVDs as an adult, but I guess so much time had passed in between that I never noticed they were different. When watching the scenes compared I recognise both, but the early ones are generally the ones which feel more familiar to me. I guess nostalgia trumps hearing something more recently for me in this case. Also, great choice of background music when talking about the post train episode.

Man I love The Trouble with Trouble! (Happy 100th video, Luke!)

I wasn't expecting 2:20 to be like that! :D

Great video, but I have one piece of constructive criticism. When talking about foley sounds and music, keeping the background music of the video going really distracts from it. It's especially notable for Percy's promise, where you mention how interesting it is that they had no music at the station in the early dub.

@usualblokeluke

10 күн бұрын

I did think that while editing this video yes That was me being veeeeeery cautious about copyright claims Given how long these videos take to export and upload I didn't want to have to spend several days going back and forth and back and forth making little anjustments to appease the copyright laws

I could literally name all the songs used in the video without even looking at the music list, a very informative watch. I personally lean into the early dubs for some charming little deliveries here nor there but the official dubs are still good too.

So this is why some of the music cues are missing in the US dub. I always wondered what was up with that.

11:51 *H A H A !*

Series 4 had a few early narrations.

I didn’t know there is an early dubs, interesting difference between them.

2:18 That worth a remake there.

Honestly if anything, these early UK dubs with the first 16 episodes that show season 3 had a gap during production of filming during episodes one proves the episode adaptations for season 3 were clearly done to make more “new” episodes for “Shining Time Station” in America. I mean honestly, is it a coincidence at all that the early dubs coming straight to video came right around the time all 16 episodes were airing in season 2 of the show, then it goes on a year hiatus so the remaining half of season 3 can be filmed, thus officially beginning season 3 of the US series in 1993 for the remaining 10 episodes (not to mention many of the episodes in the US series only had one story featured instead of the usual 2)? Oh, and of course…… Daisy being dropped from season 3.

@LittleJerryFan92

6 күн бұрын

*only shows I meant to say, don’t want to lose my heart

I think the dub I default to is the one with more the intact script. I just generally prioritise context over else. I think what these dubs signify is a new set of expectations, of which editing Thomas must've been in. I think the only countries Thomas went to prior to 1989/90 were Norway and Sweden in 1985 and 1990(?), and S1 and 2 only had to worry about making sure the shots lined up with Ringo's narration. With the financial backing of Japan, and the influence from Shining Time Station for S3, I have a feeling it may have been more important for Britt to make the episodes compatible for more narrators than Michael Angeles. I have to wonder if this was conciously on the mind of John L. Wright and David Mitton when editing the episodes, and making sure the episodes equally suited George Carlin and the Japanese Cast. On a more grounded note, I feel that, as opposed to S1 and 2 having to force some stories into 4:30 seconds, Series 3 has the opposite problem of 4:30 not being enough meaning narration is hasty (A Scarf for Percy) or there's narration going on until the very end of the episode (No Joke for James). For Angeles, this means either speaking normally but having lines cut closer together, or having faster pace narration that kinda feels out of place. Overall, Series 3 is a pretty big mess, but atleast there's plenty pf variety in how to watch it.

The hamleys set was done in 1992, well after filming of s3b wrapped

25:17 - Middle engine flaskbacks. You know, coal cars, coal cars, coal cars, coal cars, coal cars

18:26 the official sounded like percy's hit era voice

What about those episodes from season 4 with missing music

20:11 HOOOOOOOOO!!! 🤣

26:58 high pitched version of travelling music

23:12 Ah yes my favorite Season 3 episode, The Trouble With Trouble In all seriousness it was interesting video comparing Angelis’ narration of the season. Honestly it’s a hard nut to crack when it comes to deciding which version of Angelis’ narration of the season is considered preferable I will say though with technology these days it could be possible to splice in elements of both narrations he did to try and make an “ideal” version of each episode

I grew up watching the official UK dubs on VHS, Yes they had them on the VHS releases as a pose to the early dubs, But for me the official UK dub is way better than the early ones.

11:45 These lines would still be present in the us dub

Happy 100th video (unless if there’s unlisted/private videos)

That seems odd that they cut out the line "He thinks no engine should be famous but him" from the official UK dub of Gordon and the Famous Visitor. I found that strange that it was just silence in that scene since it was kept in the US dub.

This always fascinated me when watching the UK Dub of Thomas on KZread, and discovering the early dubs. In my opinion of each dub of the classic series it goes something like this. Series 1, easily the UK Dub with the dialogue being bold and cruel from time, while the US Dub soften it and while I grew up with the US Dub, discovering the UK Dub was more fascinating and I just loved it more. Series 2, like Series 1, the UK Dub as I do love Ringo’s Narration. Although George Carlin does a fascinating job in his dub of Season 2 with some of the character voices such as Duck, Diesel, Bill and Ben, Daisy, Harold, Trevor, and especially Donald and Douglas. But yeah, still prefer the UK Dub overall. Series 3 is a bit of a challenging one, as probably the first batch of the TV dubs of Series 3 over the early VHS Dub can be a bit better, with the added music that the US Dub sadly doesn’t have as most of the audio from music comes from the early dubs while some dubs actually used the final music. So part of me think Series 3A is the TV Dub with a few exceptions from the original early Dub on VHS, while 3B is the US Dub as while I do like Angelis narration, the mic made him sound nasally, the only exception I have is the UK version of the final episode over the US one! Series 4, while I absolutely love George’s dub as it’s my favorite George Carlin dub, I have to go with Angelis due to the added music and his narration is just fantastic! Series 5 is honestly both dubs as both aren’t perfect. The UK Dub, while better with narration with the added dialogue that I love, sadly has some of its episodes with lack of music, especially in Lady’s Hatt’s birthday party. While the US Dub and I can understand if not anyone is a fan of Alec Baldwins narration, in my opinion is the funniest narrator in this season, similar to Angelis, but his dub has the added music, so again I belive it’s a tie and depends on what episode? Series 6 is easily the UK Dub as Michael Angelis sounds fantastic while Alec is unfortunately boring. Series 7, UK Dub as while Angelis may sound boring at times, it still feels like classic Thomas while the US Dub was trying to be like the HIT Era and not in a good way. Overall, the UK Dub is the best for nealry all of them, but I won’t lie I do have a soft spot for the US Dubs of Series 1-5 due to my nostalgia biased. But yeah, UK Dub is definitely the more superior!

38:32 Genuinely the quality of the mic/studio recording of Series 3B is so jarring to me compared to 3A that I just switch to the Carlin dubs for that half.

YEEEES, also early dubs

23:13 - The trouble with trouble

Early is great but the final is a bit more cleaned up

🙂 This video is very interesting and thank you for sharing it. 🙂 I've got my own DVD collection of Thomas & Friends. 🙂 12 complete series, Thomas and The Magic Railroad, Calling All Engines, Thomas' Trusty Friends and The Great Discovery.

I personally prefer the early dubs, Angelis sounds more natural and there’s no weird fuzz sound in the background when he talks. Plus, there isn’t any breathing sounds and the dialogue fits up with the footage cuts

Amazing video and are you going to season 4

SCARFS!!

whoever was clicking the happy face at the end with me, get faster fingers xD

I actually want to see a Funny joke video about Thomas’ daughter

7:35 *MY BEST TROUSERS TOO!!!*

38:33 I hated how that mic sounded as a kid 😣

@BLMT-df4on

5 күн бұрын

i kniw, he sounded like he was narrating in the bathroom.

This is a good video, but in all honestly... kinda feels like the background music of the video itself is too loud. It is very apparent in the Edward, Trevor, and the Really Useful Party. The background version of Trevor's theme clashes with the episode version.

@usualblokeluke

9 күн бұрын

That was me being veeeery cautious about using the episode footage and audio while trying to avoid copyright claims Gotta take creative liberties lol

@Matthew-oi6kz

9 күн бұрын

@@usualblokeluke makes sense!

I forgot what episode "HA HA" came from.

@JonathanAsiamah

9 күн бұрын

Time for Trouble.

This Is Your 100th Video On This Channel!!

I much prefer the official dubs as they're more interesting to hear.

The same could go for the Season 1 and 2 early US dubs which were narrated by Ringo. I prefer George Carlin’s which is the official one.

Do we know how Thomas was edited at this point? On computer with primitive editing software?

I think I'd have to say I prefer the official dubs

2:21 Hearing VAs from Kid Shows swear will never not be funny. 😅By the way, where did that dialogue come from?

@usualblokeluke

8 күн бұрын

A BBC series called A Touch of Frost S5 Ep1

O L D M A S T E R

My things are the James voice and yeah less shouting. Also the inclusion of the engines moving dialogue (a goods train, a goods train) makes the story’s more RWS . I don’t like how they started to remove those lines.

17:42 Sounds better with the music. Stop talking about how scenes sound better without it. They don't!

@usualblokeluke

9 күн бұрын

What can I say, I like it but others might not That's perfectly fine

@TobyOliverHenryFan

9 күн бұрын

@@usualblokeluke I just don't think so. But you also caught me a bit cranky with that comment, so my apologies for the crankiness.

@usualblokeluke

9 күн бұрын

@@TobyOliverHenryFan Not to worry buddy 🙂

2:24 So Rosie has furcoats and jewelry? 🙃

The unlucky tug beated you

Official dub

2:22 Where did you get this dialogue from?

@usualblokeluke

9 күн бұрын

A BBC series called A Touch of Frost - S5 Ep1

23:11 the trouble with trouble???

@usualblokeluke

10 күн бұрын

I forgot to check the text before exporting lol

31:33 can they do it? fiddlesticks

When does season 11 review came out

@ItsCarlos563

10 күн бұрын

Whenever he feels like doing it.

@Wildcatt1999

10 күн бұрын

Patience

@meciomontoya8440

10 күн бұрын

I'm also waiting for The unlucky tug season 11 review / retrospectives hopefully it'll be worth a wait

21:21 Not as shouty as than in Season 6

EXPRESH (chain)

@_TosserTen

10 күн бұрын

EXPRESH

@Wildcatt1999

9 күн бұрын

Expresh

I was low key hoping for a 9/11 joke, but I'm also happy it didn't happen

is james scottish?

@Jetthehawk1994

10 күн бұрын

It's more of a scouse accent.

I've already stated my dislike for Angelis in the past, so obviously my pick is neither but I applause your work on this video.

Personally, the original UK dubs seem way less exciting than the Carlin Dubs. Carlin had a different voice for every character and made them have personality where as Angelis, all the characters sound the same and there's not a whole lot of personal. It's not just Angelis, I feel Ringo had a similar feel as well.

26:54 magic.exe has crashed

The Trouble with Trouble

@usualblokeluke

9 күн бұрын

Always check your text before you export the video That's what I've learnt 😂