What are some other beloved people from history that have bad aspects about them?

@cervanntes

Ай бұрын

Pretty much all of them. Some just have more and/or worse aspects (depending on point of view) than others. They are, after all, only human (at least in theory) with all the failings thereof.

@peacemaker63604

Ай бұрын

Mother terressa, a lot of the money that was donated vanished and her beliefs about healing made people suffer when they didn't need to.

@justinstrong9595

Ай бұрын

​@cervanntes yea but a lot are worse than others, Ghandi was a pedo

@cs82271

Ай бұрын

Washington will always be my go-to. He was a horribly incompetent military leader and was especially brutal towards the Native Americans during the American Revolution.

@SKB394

Ай бұрын

I believe that being beloved depends on one's perspective. A person who is beloved by some may not be so beloved by others. Mao and Stalin are good examples of this phenomenon. While they are widely hated by outsiders, they are also highly respected by their own countrymen. Gorbachev have a huge fan following among foreigners, but his own people... Everyone has their flaws; it's just a matter of how much one can twists and turns the facts. There's a reason why a mass murderer and rapist like Genghis Khan is celebrated as a "Conqueror" with statues all over Mongolia, whereas an Austrian painter who committed similar acts on a much smaller scale doesn't enjoy the same privilege.

I remember reading about him and his problematic behaviors a few years back. I agree wholeheartedly that we need to be careful with putting historical figures on a pedestal. Mother Theresa is a great example of this 😅

@arklaw8306

Ай бұрын

I remember an old comic where they said she went to hell for throwing a NES to the trash.

@justsomeguy28

Ай бұрын

@arklaw8306 that's hilarious and probably true, given how she believed that life was meant for suffering

@Internetrando01

Ай бұрын

I also agree with that but I'd like to mention that Mother Teresa was no way near as bad as people are led to believe, most misconception come from an already flawed "Hell's Angel" and "The Missionary Position" both of which are not held academically and lack a lot of context which then was worsened by people in the internet One can argue she could've done better but she did everything to help the people around her and didn't do anything out of malice. Instead of what some would believe, she didn't believe that life was meant for suffering and that is in fact a mischaracterization of Catholic Doctrine. The reason she couldn't administer better painkillers was due to India's restrictive laws against Opium to combat addiction. We can't judge her situation with her hospices (a home for the sick and dying, they were admitted here because Indian hospitals didn't let them in) from a western perspective when she was doing this in 1950s India

@John_the_Paul

Ай бұрын

@@Internetrando01 A lot of people like to criticize her because of the ambiguity between hospices and hospitals, talking about how many people died n her hospices.

@bluehammer1245

Ай бұрын

@@John_the_Paul A lot of people criticize her because she was a terrible person that was propagandized into some sort of saintly figure.

18:50 Well, the thing I think most people in the West get wrong is, that Gandhi wasn't fighting for Human Rights, he was fighting for Indian Rights.

@stanislemovsky5590

Ай бұрын

He was mainly fighting for his beliefs. He didn't care much about Indians that didn't fit his Hindu Nationalist doctrine either.

@neoelementiathedanknight3564

Ай бұрын

@@stanislemovsky5590 gandhi a hindu nationalist.🤣 we was a british collaborator till the end and he actually didnt support "hindu nationalist" like Sri Veer Savarkar.

@runajain5773

Ай бұрын

​@@neoelementiathedanknight3564bruh he call Gandhi as Hindu nationalist iget i get he just another western dude he do not understand or suck at India and political history

@stapuft

Ай бұрын

So what you are saying is that in your mind, Indians aren't humans?

Sounds like Ghandi really only cared about Indians. Lol "Mythologies are rarely interested in nuance." Neither are ideologies.

@hakubohsii

Ай бұрын

Yes that is correct, he cared about hindu Indians... Not Muslims...

@madhusudhanraovengamsetty407

Ай бұрын

​@@hakubohsiinice joke

@countryballsfan-ph

Ай бұрын

Well, because he's an Indian, genius.

@xcosmiccrunchx

Ай бұрын

@Countryballsfan-hp09 Well, no. As the video established, genius, he's been revered as a humanitarian, not just some guy that cared about Indian independence.

@ritobratade4465

Ай бұрын

He didn't care about Indians he was more of a British agent he also back stabbed Subhash Chandra Bose and sent 2.1 million Indians in ww2 in behalf of British... He is kind of a twisted character....

As a Bengali, I have always hated Gandhi. The Indian National Congress is the reason why both Gandhi and Mother Teresa are seen as holy figures. The same goes for Nehru

@Based_Gigachad_001

Ай бұрын

What's with India and having heroes that are secretly villains? Like the boys.

@RohitSharma-oh8qm

Ай бұрын

​@@Based_Gigachad_001 I can think of only Gandhi that was secretly a villain. Rest India's hero are pretty epic . Teresa was declared hero by foreigners..not here

@Based_Gigachad_001

Ай бұрын

@@RohitSharma-oh8qm Aren't a lot of them mythological?

@RohitSharma-oh8qm

Ай бұрын

@@Based_Gigachad_001 I hope not , since most of them had children and grandchildren alive today.

@lloydgush

Ай бұрын

He broke india. His offspring F'ed india.

Much of indian history is manipulated by the indian national congress which chose gandhi as if its ideological head so they made the history books hide his wrongs , his principals became absolute virtue and the indian independence which was gained by the efforts of unknown number of people was overwhelming credited to gandhi . Reading about gandhi you see how he was a stubborn man who didn't try to see right from wrong as long as it aligned with his personal principles .

Hey Mr. Terry; I just wanted to let you know that you've inspired me to go back to school to be a history teacher. I start Thursday for a Masters of Secondary education in Humanities as I already have a Bachelor's of Science in Criminal Justice.

@chuckelf3373

Ай бұрын

Best of luck!

@thomasmacdiarmid8251

Ай бұрын

To be a history teacher, shouldn't your degree be in Inhumanities?

@adriandahl7758

Ай бұрын

Good luck! 😀

@Aytee2021

Ай бұрын

​​​​@@thomasmacdiarmid8251It kind of depends to be honest. I'm also considering being a history teacher and I have a Bachelors of Science in Criminal Justice. I'm minoring in History and so long as I get the teaching certification, that would be enough to be able to teach high school history. All you really need are teaching credentials and enough history credit hours and/or history knowledge to satisfy the school you are going to. At least that's what my understanding of it is. To be fair though, Criminal Justice does intertwine and intersect with alot of Social Studies and the Humanities by its nature, so perhaps that is enough as well. Most of this probably goes out the window if you have good connections though. In that case I'd suspect all you would need is a teaching license

Almost every hero has a shadow. They have a dark side that people like to ignore to build a happy good vs evil narrative. The opposite is also true where we try to ignore everything human about villains in history so as to make them monsters

It's so useless to think of historical figures in terms of their supposed virtues and failings. Gandhi was a large driving force in a very consequential movement, and that's a million times more important than any personal traits he may have had. We don't need to idolize him, and at the same time we don't need to dethrone him or whatever.

@Music-Is-Real-Love

6 күн бұрын

💯%.

I've played the Civ Games, guy is a warmonger

@RiotforPeacePlz

Ай бұрын

Lol

@medarby3066

Ай бұрын

Legit blood thirsty maniac.

20:33 The British had banned sati long before Gandhi... it's simple to oppose something that's already history!

@RohitSharma-oh8qm

Ай бұрын

Yep , I have absolutely no positive things about Gandhi.

On the Aryan brotherhood thing, Ghandi wasn't a hindu nationalist in the modern sense. Modern Hindu nationalism is a completely different movement than Ghandi's Indian nationalism, though it can be said to have somewhat grown out of it, it's completely divorced from any element of reality that doesn't fit into its preferred political narrative, it happily revises history whenever convenient and doesn't really care about things like facts unless it's the one that decided what the facts are.

@kajankanesh2464

Ай бұрын

modern hindu nationalists, most notably supporters of the bjp, arguably warp hinduism to the fit the sane western perception and interpretation that they claim to be superior to. Hinduism is not even a single, unified religion in the modern sense

@blueishgreen76

Ай бұрын

Also, modern Hindu nationalists do not reject that Aryans related to Indians migrated into Europe, they just hold to the Out of India theory that Aryans originated in India and migrated out. They do not like the theory that the Aryans originated in the Pontic Step and then migrated both east and west which is the modern Aryan Migration theory, and they really, really hate the older Aryan Invasion theory, which held that the Aryans invaded from the Steps and wholesale slaughtered and replaced the occupants of northern India. Regardless of which version he believed, it would not have been any hindrance to the Aryan Brotherhood idea.

@neoelementiathedanknight3564

Ай бұрын

@@blueishgreen76 if u actually read the new research coming out, most "hindu nationalists" dont even acknowledge the concept of an "aryan" name one prominent hindu nationalist who uses the term aryan in reference to whatever form of the out of afghaistan/india/iran theory

@runajain5773

Ай бұрын

​@@neoelementiathedanknight3564yeh if that happens south politican especially Tamil one will northerner are invader and southerner are dravadian native people even dravadian and indo Aryan are just language group not race group that hindutva or indian will do not want the north vs south division stuff

We need to be able to talk about the bad stuff such respected figures have done. You should look at the horrible stuff Winston Churchill has done as well.

0:36 "People are human". MLK jr. was my first exposure to informing about his... "transgressions"... "You either die a hero, or live long enough to become the villain." -Harvey Dent

You can not judge historical figures by current moral stances

@n0v1ce45

23 күн бұрын

True! But it is important to understand context of historical figures because it's easy to subconsciously support someone by only providing information that based on modern moral values either western or Eastern because it can put them in a good light and possibly forever

There is no shame in deterrence. Having a weapon is very different from actually using it.

@nichozn8277

Ай бұрын

My attempt to avoid violence has failed. An eye for an eye only makes the world blind.

@user-ri9rp8br9e

Ай бұрын

@@nichozn8277Why?

@David-sl6xf

Ай бұрын

@@nichozn8277 This philosophy may work on an individual level, but not a state level. If one state is attacked by another, and they do nothing or little in response, that makes them look weak and could bring about worse consequences down the road.

@river5414

Ай бұрын

​@@David-sl6xf I think they're just having a laugh recalling his quotes that were used in Civ games

@n0v1ce45

23 күн бұрын

The only problem with that is having a weapon as a deterrence also means you have a choice to use it. Which would result in a possible arms race

Quick tip, you can put “props” in your background and use them as tax write offs

@killmii8473

Ай бұрын

What?

@spykeex69

Ай бұрын

You watch the fat electrician too eh?

@sloshed-rat

Ай бұрын

Put your car in your office. Bam. Tax free car

@sanketshah3555

Ай бұрын

@@sloshed-rat the IRS hate this secret trick!!

@CaptainFrost32

Ай бұрын

​@@killmii8473He had been watching The Fat Electrician. If you put things in the background as set dressing, it becomes a work expense for the channel. Deductible.

As an Indian, everyone has their faults. That’s why they are human. The important thing is to learn from the good aspects about him instead of talking about the bad things. But it’s important to know this as well

@prakxyz

25 күн бұрын

There were no good aspects

@legogirl8942

24 күн бұрын

Yeah no, did my research after… asked some adults no good. He took credit of what other people did…that’s disappointing used to look up at him 😞

They didn't really explain what the experiments were or how he molested girls. IIRC he slept naked in the same bed as young women while trying not to touch them or feel aroused. Doesn't really count as molestation but definitely would have made them uncomfortable even if they consented to the experiment.

@darkshaman98

Ай бұрын

Since when was exposing yourself not classed as a sexual act?

Just a little bit of more information but recently there has been an attempt to discredit Gandhi for his achievements and focus on his bad parts. Not because people suddenly realized we shouldn't overcredit historical figures but rather due to political reasons in India.

love the content my guy! been watching for a while and subscribed/ became a member a little while ago and you inspired me to make my own twitch and videos and would love some tips! love you man! keep on keepin on. also, love the original stuff you've been doing recently and lmk if you need any audio work!

I wish more people would do videos like this, about the real people who people tend to worship and "whitewash" post historically, historical people are complicated and ugly, and we should remember that noone is all good, even the most heroic figures and "greatest" people rarely were actually good, understanding that people are flawed, even the "best" of them. Is a great motivator to help others understand that those people weren't special or "better" what made them different was that they acted.

@BHuang92

Ай бұрын

It humanize the figures that we people tend to idolize and place them on the pedestal to be compared to meet those idealized goals. Which is unfair and not really realistic.

@justinstrong9595

Ай бұрын

White washing refers to white majorities tamping down the truth about history, this was done by Indians and other people defending ghandi

This is the most introspective view of the modern history of India Ive ever seen. You did a great job with this one, my dude.

As a South African hearing this guy say K****r so nonchalant is wild.

Since I learned about this back in school, I actually liked Gandhi more. It's a personal thing, to be flawed, but grow. To understand your failures, but not let it define your future. There is always something more to learn, more to change. I view him as a symbol that all humans have the ability to grow and change, to be something more than they were. Also that he really likes nuking my civ.

@abps9947

Ай бұрын

You really need therapy Gandhi was a British agent and supported killing of Hindus

I am reminded of a former roommate of mine from the eighties. He had a story about how his father had been a police officer in what was then British India many years earlier--and how Gandhi had called his father a bastard.

This! Ad naseum in regards to historical figures

I had actually heard some of these things about Ghandi before but had no source for them. Will have to check this out. As for his influence on Indian independence, I'm going to have to see some sources for that, too. There was a whole variety of resistance going on at the time, some of it violent. Additionally, the British had come to realize that their colony was becoming too expensive to govern and were planning to give it up anyway. So, where are the metrics that show how much influence each of these factors had? As for Mother Theresa and the Dalai Lama, they have been exposed by the likes of Christopher Hitchens, Michael Parenti, and David Whitehead. Did you know that this "pacifist" helped out the Tibetan Tiger - a CIA run counterterrorism group? A photocopy of one of his cheques from the CIA used to be available somewhere on the internet. I haven't looked for it recently. Parenti discovered that Tibet had been a feudal and slave owning society prior to the change to Communism. In fact, the Tibet resistance groups invited the Chinese Army in to Tibet in their bid for freedom. Pictures of the implements of torture used on these slaves can be found in his videos. Tibet Buddhism has been exposed by many people, including David Whitehead, and by the ex Maoists, Victor and Victoria Timondi who lived with him for 11 years after rejecting Maoism. Mother Theresa starved her nuns while socking donations away in an unused Swiss bank account. She refused to practice the most basic of best practices in her clinics, forcing staff to re-use needles without sterilizing them and refused pain medications to people screaming for it. She was one nasty woman.

The bottom line is, Gandhi was a failure. What were his three objectives? End caste-based discrimination, bring peace between the Indian Hindus and Muslims and free India from British rule. Well, caste-based discrimination is still rampant in India today, so he failed at the first goal. As soon as the Raj got independence, it split between India and Pakistan, the two countries have fought numerous wars against each other, and they now have nuclear weapons trained on each other, so he failed on the second goal. As for the third goal, though India fid get independence from the British Empire, it didn’t happen one minute later than it would have had Gandhi never been born. It was entirely an economic decision. Britian simply couldn't afford its empire anymore after World War 2. So he failed on the third goal. Gandhi's methods were totally ineffective. Pacifism as a tactic only works if it's presented as an alternative to the use of force. (In other words, the only reason you've heard of Martin Luther King is because you've never heard of Huey Newton or Bobby Seale.)

@runajain5773

Ай бұрын

It true that caste based still exist it might be reduced as every next generation come but remove the caste based as fast it like saying that any leader we will remove racism in my country or us end the civil war south black slave now free but after formation southern they implement some apartheid type law of racial difference between black and white or Obama become black president racism end right then jord black live matter happen like said removeing discrimination between group it tough to remove it between group because these groups have different economically ,social and political control are there and I do not get point like how he fail to remove the government it true that he pacifist not violent revolutionary but I consider he fail if he died then british government still continues I consider it failure also Gandhi and indian leader are trying to damaging the british economically I understand you hate Gandhi

I vividly remember talking about Ghandi in english class. My teacher talked for an hour about how much of an inspirational freedom fighter he was. When I asked about "rumors" about Ghandi (which I did not know wheter they were true or not, it was a genuine question), my teacher started stuttering, avoided Eye contact and just said "oh no, He was a very good Person, that must be rascist rumors". 6 years later, I still wonder why He reacted like that

It is interesting that there is a trend to take the worst possible view of the worst flaws of a person and try to define them by that alone. We also have a trend to try to force modern understanding and values on the past and insist that "wrong is wrong".

It's wrong to bypass people's sins just because they did something good, what he did to those women will never be undone, the potential harm he might have done to Africans there's no going back and changing that. While it's important to praise accomplishments it's equally important to recognise wrongs.

I have a kind of odd desire to read history textbooks from several different countries (correctly translated to English, of course) to see the different perspectives. Is that possible?

@vaudreelavallee3757

Ай бұрын

Even a Canadian history would do that somewhat considering how many times Canadian history touches or is influenced by American history. For example, both the War of Independence and the Civil War led to migrations to Canada (you can quibble when we actually became a country, but besides that). Two historical characters where if you liked one you hated the other and visa versa were Sir John A Macdonald and Louis Riel - as far as seeing the same history from two different POV. I remember attending two Asian Folkloramas the same day - one had this guy as the devil and the other as a hero. This was over 40 years ago.

Ooh, I want to see one on Mother Theresa

There was something about Gandhi that was planted in my brain ever since the civilization games. Something about him clasping his hands and bowing to you after sending a nuke your way seemed to strangely fit.

Question Mr Terry: I quite agree with you that people are complicated. People can do both good things and have flaws... especially when dealing with a time where racism and discrimination were far more acceptable. So we can both celebrate a person's accomplishments and contributions while recognize their contributions to the negative practices of the time. Do you feel the same about Jefferson and Washington?

Ghandi was an Indian nationalist and a political activist, it's obvious he held many divisive political opinions. The problem, like you mentioned, is we in our secular culture place on pedestals as if they're new Messiah, when they're just regular, imperfect people like the rest of us.

@prakxyz

25 күн бұрын

No, gandhi was a British slave groomed by west themselves

So that one glitch in that civilisation game was actually intended

I feel Frank Herbert at 0:30 would say "this man is cooking".

The infographics show is a very neat channel. I’ve been with them since nearly the beginning (not on this account specifically of course) but they do still get some things a little wrong here and there either a mistake in their script or what not it’s multiple people working on the videos however it’s one guy who owns the brand that’s why in the description of their videos they refer to themselves as I and not we. Their visuals in their videos are pretty cool. They’ve been using this style for at least a decade now and they’re nice visuals, but sometimes they don’t necessarily match what’s being said. They also have some fun side videos they cover all kinds of topics on your pastime. I highly recommend their “I survived X days of nuclear war” and their other I survived X days series the nuclear war one is their most popular and biggest one they’ve also been doing an alternate history series on if Hitler won World War II. I don’t actually have any suggestions for the channel though at least not right now if you scroll through their channel, you’ll find plenty of cool videos.

So is this why the Indians hated his Clone High portrayal?

Historical figures are like a candle the brightest flames tend to cast long shadows

Careful with infographics

And here people were, being offended my Clone High Gandhi

do we also need to do the same for historical villains?

We all do good and bad things. We all err, learn from our mistakes and try to do what we feel is right. I think we should focus on the good that comes out of it and not hold the mistakes of someone against them, especially if they acknowledge it. Despite all his mistakes, Ghandi did a few things right. He held firm to his beliefs and set himself as an example of peaceful defiance and self-sacrifice, impacting millions as a positive influence. For that alone I think he deserves to be remembered and celebrated.

About the celibacy experiments, at the time in India sharing a bed with a woman was considered to be on the same level as sleeping with her. The reason Gandhi was murdered was because he conducted a celibacy experiment with his murderer’s younger sister.

@prakxyz

25 күн бұрын

Nope. You got it all wrong.

It’s about time people start representing famous accurately. The same is can be said for many many figures throughout history, MLK, Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, Malcolm X and several other figures have a “less than favorable” side

@sri-kaushalramana437

Ай бұрын

what was bad about these guys

@Merennulli

Ай бұрын

@@sri-kaushalramana437 MLK and Malcom X are hard to answer because the evidence came from a source that wanted them discredited. Abraham Lincoln was as bad a politician as the people we complain about now, from literally jumping out a second story window to pretend he wasn't there for a quorum call in the Illinois legislature, to ignoring the Constitution and Bill of Rights when it suited him, such as suspending habeas corpus. Washington was a slave owner.

"the world is the problem, the atomic bomb is the answer." - Mahatma Ghandi.

Robin Williams called this back in the day.

we civ players have been warning you for years

He had a deep seated hatred of Christians and supported the caste system. He was extremely bigoted

@abps9947

Ай бұрын

He hated Hindus and supported Muslims killing Hindus

@prakxyz

25 күн бұрын

No man. He was just a stooge of British, thats all

this is why i like that the CIV devs kept Ghandi as a Nuke-throwing warmonger , i guess it is one form of karma for the bad things he have done irl

20:46 One of my sister's friends is from India and she says essentially love or hate the British, they at least got rid of that finging yourself on the fire thing

I am sure Gandhi ascribed to the Aryan Invasion theory. It’s been argued the British used this to elevate the lighter skinned Indians to separate them from the lower classed darker skinned ones, to keep them divided. Because of this theory and because of Indo-European linguistic connections, Indians were often grouped as aryans by the racial categories of the 1900s. So he clearly thought he was aryan and superior, but found that others in Africa base their prejudices on mere skin color instead of “scientific” racial groupings.

So THIS is why Ghandi in the Civ games outraces everyone for nuclear weapons.

The video is correct aside from one thing: this was early Gandhi. He shed his racist views by his early 30s. He was still a creep though, when it came to women.

Hi Mr Terry

The end of this video addresses something that has really rubbed me the wrong way in this period of retroactive cancellation we live in. A lot of the unsavory things that historical figures did were very much because of the time period and culture they lived in. It's unfair to judge them by today's Western moral standards. Not saying we should just completely ignore these things, but we also shouldn't let them overshadow the good that these historical figures did.

This is one of the aspects that I have learned to abhore: First we put people on pedestals for what they achieved, then we make DEAD SURE they are not staying up there. And in the process we also make forget what good they did. Another product of unreflected hysteria. Grrrr.

one little fact abt his story.. he was fighting for rights in india initially, not for freedom.. he wanted british rule with indian being involved.. it was other revolutioneries who fought for complete indpendnce.. later when he found that has taken full swing accross the country he started finghtinh for indp.. he was.. its was congress party who made him the only freedom fighter to bring freedom. but in actual.. he was jus part of it..

Pls do Mother Theresa. It would be awesome.

the civilization video game predicted this about Gandhi being evil

I believe the Indo-Aryan migration theory is still fairly well supported in academia (outside of India), it’s the Aryan Invasion theory that has been discredited. Previously they purposed the superior European ethnic groups conquered Indian and supplanted them. Now they know it was less likely to be an outright conquest , and more of a gradual migration that lived with the locals. While many Indian nationalists today will declare that all early civilization, religion and development started in Indian and moved outward

My Culmination paper for Grad School to get my Master's in History includes me railing against the Great Man Theory of history. I like to call it "baby's intro to history"

Most of people try demonise Gandhi as if their heroes and etc were 100% perfect every human being has dark closets. We know that he did all those things the time he was still a lawyer before he chose a religious life and we forget that Quit India actually destroyed the biggest empire 🇬🇧 in the World without firing a bullet and he inspired other people like MLK, Nelson Mandela with peaceful marches which worked for change. So sometimes yes lets talk about the negatives and positives too in order to judge rather than forcusing on the negative as if Churchill, Washington and etc never had dark closets.

Just to let you know Sati isn't an ancient practice. Widows used to remarry or stay widowed for the rest of life in ancient india. And this can also be seen in our holy scriptures like mahabharat for example

Freedom for me but not for thee You see it with the indians support for Israel Even though they felt the effects with Pakistan and Kashmir Which is the closest case that could describe Israel-Palestine

@neoelementiathedanknight3564

Ай бұрын

we support israel because they supported us the your jihadi brothers were causing terror in kashmir. look at your own ummah's terrorism before pulling the victim card

This is going to be about all the nukes, isn't it?

In South Africa, a 'coolie' is a derogatory term for someone of Indian heritage. In India, it is a term for someone of the lowest social standing / caste. Black people and (what we call) Coloured people (no, it is not a slur, it is self styled and harks back to their CapeMalay and KhoiSan roots) have a whole bunch of different slurs. We are a complicated people.

@runajain5773

Ай бұрын

As indian coolie is just unskilled labour even today coolie are help the to pick the a lot of stuff that word use as bag carrier person in train station I never heard that term in India that associated coolie with caste a lot of word but coolie I do not thunk even wiki say that it just unskill labourer

How much of this is cultural?

I was wondering if his involvement with Aryan rights groups was going to get brought up. I know a lot of Indian nationalists really like to use the term Aryan and agree with a lot of Hitler's rhetoric but they see themselves as the Aryans. Growing up I knew lots of people from India and the Middle East and some of the stuff they said was so abhorrent And was in line with nazism but they got a pass for said it that I would have gotten thrown out of school and all kinds of stuff.

@neoelementiathedanknight3564

Ай бұрын

please enlighten me what indian nationalist uses the term aryan and espouses nazi values, name at least one.

@runajain5773

Ай бұрын

What kind of nonsense you read or listen that indian nationalist are Naz* supporter at the time indian does care what is going on Europe we do not even know what is nazism and hitler person because we mostly against british rule british are one who spread Aryan theory nonsence stuff literally nobody care about Aryan race stuff even those indian who cobrallated with axis power they do not know axis power action but these mostly against british allied block obviously a lot of India like Bosh ask axis to help India to liberated the india from british rule

@randallcraft4071

Ай бұрын

@@neoelementiathedanknight3564 did you watch the video?

@neoelementiathedanknight3564

Ай бұрын

@@randallcraft4071 just so you know gandhi doesn't count as indian nationalist. Ask any indian they'll tell you that gandhi was a glorified British puppet.

And the Mother Teresa was no saint from what I understand.

@enderoctanus

Ай бұрын

Yes she was. You're probably referring to the lies peddled by the anti-Catholic fraud Hitchens, who was slammed by most academics for his poor understanding not only of history and medicine, but of Catholicism itself. She ran hospices, not hospitals, in impoverished India, when nobody else lifted a finger.

As someone with a wife and considerable power and resources he wasn't really an incel. His celibacy was voluntary but the results can be similar. The contempt he seems to have had for women is part of what happens when a person with significant sexual desires idolizes asexuality and tries convert their own sexuality to asexuality. Over time it may become easier to resist but they will still have sexual desires and having no outlet that they will accept for those desires can produce contempt for the group of people they desire.

When Mohandas Gandhi was born not all of India was a British colony

No person is perfect. Except for Flawius Belisarius, he was perfect, but apart from him. "i am not a superman, unlike Mussolini" -Ghandi To be fair he's not the only one. If selfies existed back then every world leader would probably want a selfie with Benito as he was basically a celebrity in the 20s. 16:00 at the beggining of 20th century Aryans were believed to be the ansestors of all europeans, persians and hindus. Later studies particularise the prehistoric Aryans to be the ansestors of persians and hindus and ony one branch of the indoeuropean race. But at the beggining of the 20th century they were believed to be the ansestors of all indo-europeans. At the time the "aryan brotherhood" idea would include solidarity between white and brown desendants of aryans and the belief in their combined superiority over other races. 19:00 basically. He belived Indians and whites to be of the same stock and thus deserving of the same rights. Meanwhile the non-aryans not deserving of such rights.

"Greetings from M. Gandhi, ruler and king of the Indians... Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"

No such thing as a perfectly good human, every person who as ever lives has done things that would lead them to being canceled, just some hides it better than others.

Everyone who existed before this current era falls short of the standards of the morality police. Yet I admire men like Gandhi more than I do any of his detractors.

jus sayng he might have contributed a part in ending of sati.. fight to end sati started long before him..

Most people are made by mistake so we are prone to making mistakes.

They and their families, not them and their families.

You are exactly right historical figures are great because they did great things but they were still just humans and did weird shit like everyone else. I like MLK's I have a dream speech because he talks about treating everyone the same no matter race and you can obviously expand that to all characteristics that aren't relevant but the man was not okay with gay people but that part doesn't interest me because it's the idea that he had that is what is important.

As a Brit, I understand why Indians often villainise us for our shameful actions in colonial India. However, not everyone is innocent and even India's greatest national hero has some dark parts of his past

@vihaandalal4171

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He is NOT considered indias greatest hero

@oliversherman2414

Ай бұрын

Who is?​@@vihaandalal4171

@SilverKarma

Ай бұрын

TBH Indians no longer care about Britishers anymore. We only remember what the British did when politicians wants us to distract from something else. All Indian politicians play this card since it's so easy to play.

@Metricowl8888

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@@vihaandalal4171who is?

@vihaandalal4171

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@@Metricowl8888 Gandhi

Benefits, what benefits?

Wait.. so your saying someone born in the 1800s had some racist views?? No way I can't imagine something that that😮

Read comment section of the original video 😂 . Majority indians saying thank you for finally recognising real Gandhi.

So, in other words, the Civilization series was right all along.

I've known for like 20 years now that he was massively racist, but let's see the video and maybe I'll find something new.

The Roman empire was the same way, most empires were.

To give context for English speakers, "kaffir" is about as offensive a racial slur (in South Africa) against South African blacks as the N-word. Because it isn't known or understood, almost at all, to Americans & other English speakers, you can watch videos that say "kaffir" to show what people like Gandhi had used. But imagine a similar video breaking out the N-word, even if just to point out the use of the racial slur as a criticism of known racists. It would almost certainly be demonenitzed, & would doubtless draw severe criticism as being deeply inappropriate & racially insensitive.

@runajain5773

Ай бұрын

Hmm interesting because Kaffir also use by islamic against non muslim

So... does this mean India should return to being a British colony?

not really, MLK cheated on his wife but that's not as bad as Gandhi Black heroes are always under a microscope, our failures are common knowledge it's to the point people just make up stuff about black heros there is no one to look down on when you are at the bottom i knew all this stuff about Gandhi because my mum and uncles were like "he didn't really like black people" and i was like "what? but the school told me he was a great person" "yh, but your black and no one has to care about your problems as much as you do" started asking all the black people around me if they knew Gandhi was racist they all knew, black people of a certain age all knew why did my school lie to me because you are black and your truth isn't as important as other people's feelings this is how messed up it is as a black person ask them, how many of them had to do independent research to find out something good a black person did i know all the bad stuff we did then to be in a bad position and have whites laugh at you for the bad position they put your people in i'm not the biggest fan of white people at all i had to stop talking to family members who date white people i love you but i don't agree with what you do and as long as she is here we don't talk i'm sorry whatever, i'm going to keep it pushing

1. Its INFOGRAPHICS , they get a lot of views. 2. Ya Gandhi not as great as what people say. 3. Mother Teresa, same thing... "NOT THE SAME BUT" 4. MLK was not what we think he was... And this is a short/ dumbed down story ...

Hold on a second. Saying that the winning Europeans didn't give up colonies is incorrect. Canada, Newfoundland, Australia, and New Zealand were given dominion status. Prior to World War I, there was already movement to give Ireland Home rule. They one independence but not full sovereignty in 1923. If we're going to talk about India, or rather the British Raj, then we have to deal with the fact that it was made up of many different kingdoms. Who exactly would gain independence? It's a little bit more complicated. As for the famine in India, it wouldn't have occurred if not for the Japanese invasion. It's not like the British had the ability to easily ship things with Japanese control of parts of the Indian Ocean and the Pacific to say nothing of the losses they took from the Germans to their shipping. The United States offered grainn to the Indians but there was no easy way to provide it. And the Japanese invasion cause a lot of dislocation in Eastern India which may distribution of food more difficult. It also led to hoarding which worsened a famine that was also caused by weather. I'm not saying that the British couldn't have done more and shouldn't have done more. Churchill was willing to let British cities burn to win the war. He had little focus or concern for what was going on in Bengal. With hindsight, it's easy to say that the allies and neutral powers should have sent food to South Africa and then over to India but this was during a period in which v Nazis were pushing for the Japanese to invade Madagascar to cut off India and the Japanese invasion of India was pushed by Indians like Subesh Chandra Bose. The Indians and bengalis will blame everything on Churchill because all hell would break loose if they said anything about Bose and the Tiger legion.

Infographics Channel is usually always technically correct, but they pump out so many videos each one lacks quality. The graphics are usually inaccurate, and they present facts without expanding upon the implications of specific facts - they gloss over more complex concepts.

Holy crap. I knew Gandhi was already very much a dick in how he let his wiife die thanks to their religious beliefs, but found a way to forego that when his own life was at risk. This just shows the devil's in the details

@mikelee8937

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Addendum, let's be clear. This Indian "Saint" was fundamental in creating the current Israel, another land robbing state using their own Manifest Destiny to slaughter Palestinians aka indigenous peoples.

Uh... nope, South Africa only implemented Apartheid in 1948

@williamvilleneuve5159

Ай бұрын

So you think there was no racism back then lol?

@Just4FC

Ай бұрын

@@williamvilleneuve5159 Apartheid wasn't put in place due to racism. But yes, racism was always there, everywhere, in all countries, even today. Look at the history of South Africa to know why apartheid was put in place, also look at how South Africa evolved through slavery compared to other developed countries in Europe and the US of course (spoiler, slavery was close to non-existent in SA). So if you think you can get on your high horse and speak stuff you know nothing about, do some research first.

Kinda like our founding fathers... Some great stuff they did and some horrible beliefs they had.

My Indian friend told me this years ago…