Bit late for this but I'll say it anyway. Sad to hear a history teacher repeating the lies about Spanish Empire being genocidal etc. Yet again there is no surprise since it was the British who spread that tale in the first place. You might want to deepen in the way both Empires aproached their taking of the New World.

@SirSilk77

11 ай бұрын

I am sorry but how the hell did you get the british into it. The genocide done by the spanish empire was ineed done by the spanish empire, a lot caused by western disease and if that was planned or intentional or wanted is debatable as far as I know but the spanish still murdered a LOT of people. This is denying Genocide and anything but ok

@MrTerry

11 ай бұрын

Sigurd, Thanks for responding. Historically, empires have highlighted the crimes of others to draw attention away from their own actions. However, just because an empire speaks hyperbolically about the actions of another, it doesn't mean those actions never happened. That's basically a fallacy. It may hurt "credibility", but doesn't negate the argument. As for the Spanish actions, be sure to study the primary sources about the treatment of Native Americans. One famous example to get started with is from Bartolomé de Las Casas. After that, there are many other accounts you can find. Thanks for watching!

@sigurdsd

11 ай бұрын

@@MrTerry Yes, we can agree on that, and also no country nor Empire has its hands clean, that's a fact. I'll be sure to read your recommendation, and if you find time for it please read "América Hispánica" from Borja Cardelús. And thanks for replaying! Take care

@lucaspallaressieiro5157

11 ай бұрын

​@@MrTerryThe spanish empire wasn't perfect and they did a lot of things that nowadays are we see them as terrible but if u compare what they were doing with the standars of the time I think they were one of the best. Of all the gold they got from the colonies only one parte went to Spain and a lot of the gold was used to invest in universities or churchs. The spanish empire also ended with the religious sacrifices. In the American continent conquered by Spain there were no mass killings. The demographic catastrophe suffered by the native population after 1492 was due to the great mortality caused by the contagion of diseases brought by the Spanish. And the spanish empire did things like enable the mixed weddings in 1503 in the USA they aprobe the mixed weddings in 1967.

@jerecito6892

11 ай бұрын

If you end up reading it let me know you thoughts. I also have studied quite a lot about the Spanish Empire, from several sources (Spanish as well as English and Portuguese sources) and if you compare the Spanish to most of the era they were one of the best since all the wealth they got from the colonies were re-distributed back to the colonies, as a matter of fact for a long time Mexico city had a better standard of living compared to Madrid or Toledo under the empire.@@sigurdsd

It's time for Mr Terry to make an empire tier list like the rest of the cool kids

@abugonapugonamugonarug1653

Жыл бұрын

Yes I agree ☝️

@MrTerry

Жыл бұрын

I’m a cool kid?

@megaton6023

Жыл бұрын

@@MrTerry WE NEED THIS!!! PLS DO IT

@streetystar353

Жыл бұрын

@@MrTerry You've always been a cool kid

@SnapplyPie

Жыл бұрын

@@MrTerry Always

We all know the greatest world empire is Principality of Sealand

@sealandball3043

Жыл бұрын

well, I do agree

@MrTerry

Жыл бұрын

The disrespect…

@ryanberkowitz5399

Жыл бұрын

As a lord of the Principality of Sealand, I agree

@markvlogandgaming1133

Жыл бұрын

They make NFTs now, truly the fall of an empire

@namikazelevi

Жыл бұрын

Long live the Empire!!!

Mr terry and drew durnil are a chaotic duo

@MrTerry

Жыл бұрын

Is that a good thing?

@blacklitedemon4138

Жыл бұрын

@@MrTerry yes yes it is a good thing

@unboxingabayonet4154

Жыл бұрын

@@MrTerry It's an amazing thing, I am absolutely loving the content.

@crustybomb115

Жыл бұрын

@@MrTerry from an entertainment perspective, very much so... but also the occasional educational thing, also yes... its not a dry essay-like discussion between 2 people.

@runajain5773

Жыл бұрын

@@MrTerry so what about maurya empire

I'm confused why there's even a "Viking Empire" on the list. The closest thing they had to any kind of central power was the Danelaw, but its leadership was constantly contested. You could maybe group in the Normans, but that would be reaching in my opinion.

@EnemyAtom65

Жыл бұрын

The... North Sea Empire... What do you mean?

@JustALemurGuy

Жыл бұрын

​@@EnemyAtom65 Even if you are counting the North Sea Empire, during the 30 years it was around, it was barely united, with the Norse having to reconquer England after the death of each king. Therefore, you could say the North Sea Empire really only lasted around 9 or 10 years, since when it was divided, it became the individual kingdoms of England, Norway, and Denmark. Defs bottom tier Empire.

@dunkelheit5055

Жыл бұрын

@@JustALemurGuy i agree, but you could count it for sure. I mean, we have the Holy Roman Empire on the original list. Even though the North Sea Empire was a disorganized mess only really held together by Cnut, it was for sure more centralized than the HRE. We are also counting "Empires" like Belgium or facist Italy and the North Sea Empire seems a lot more Empire than thoose two.

@vladprus4019

Жыл бұрын

Judging by the map in the tier list (not the one added in editing) I think it was supposed to be Denmark.

@xenotypos

Жыл бұрын

The Normans didn't have much remaining in common with the vikings though (culture, ancestry...), unless you're talking about Rollo's age, that may have been the case for the elite Normans then (even then, not really the common Norman, the population).

If you watch more of Drew's videos, consider each of the entries on his list as a player from Civilization. More than likely how he rated them.

@Ugly_German_Truths

Жыл бұрын

that explains a lot. and is a bad sign for how "well" made Civilisation is.

@vejolta

Жыл бұрын

@@Ugly_German_Truths and eu4.

@sirjackify

Жыл бұрын

@@Ugly_German_Truths well then the german empire should be in the SS tier since in civ 6 they are pretty much the strongest or one of the strongest civs.

@mythical2551

Жыл бұрын

@@sirjackify idk man...germany and those two letters don't mix well

@sirjackify

Жыл бұрын

@@mythical2551 they mix so well we even made an own letter for it ;)

Imagine having this as your history teacher on highschool, would truly be an amazing one.

@Eshelion

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately teachers aren't allowed to just do as they please (however having passionate teacher is always way better), in most countries they have to follow some kind of programs and teach about some points of history, whether they are deemed interesting or important by them or students, or not. And also in most countries they aren't paid that great, so full of passion teachers are becoming rarer and rarer sadly.

@waltuh2.3bviews3secondsago3

11 ай бұрын

I think that history teachers are *generally* very passionate and exciting compared to other teachers such as him

Yes, please do more Drew content! You are both amazing creators and I think could have a lot of fun interacting with each other this way😊

Modern legal system was literally made by Romans. It just evolved in 2 different directions: British and Continental (Continental further divided into German and French). And now it's worldwide (Separated into these 2 cathegories, obviously with differences between 2 countries of the same system). So yeah, their influence was crazy.

@starhalv2427

Жыл бұрын

@@Tom-nj1ib Not really. Germanic legal system was more about making peace between families that were at conflict, and it also didn't differentiate between commiting crime willingly and unwillingly/by accident. Pretty much all germanic and non-Germanic invaders eithet adopted Roman system (Franks for example) or mixed Roman and Germanic laws (Visigoths for example). I know that Longobards sticked to their old traditions despite conquering Italy, but I'm pretty sure they were the only exception and Anglos did the first or second thing. Especially since most of the time invaders didn't even bother to change the law and let the conquered population keep doing what they were already doing, leading to instances where all the way into 18th century common people followed an only slightly modified Roman law.

@goofygrandlouis6296

Жыл бұрын

Agreed 100% !!

@XXXTENTAClON227

Жыл бұрын

@@starhalv2427Iceland is literally the oldest for it though… must’ve missed Roman Iceland I guess

@starhalv2427

Жыл бұрын

@@XXXTENTAClON227 What are you talking about?

@anestistourmousidis9491

Жыл бұрын

Greece made inventions romans copied them

13:57 The only neighbouring country to France that accomplish more than France in empire is spain, and that was around 1700 where France was stronger than spain.

@goombagang5080

10 ай бұрын

They're still stronger than Spain btw

@amisicro955

9 ай бұрын

​@@goombagang5080yes

Okay so Rome and Mongolia definitely deserve to be top tier but so does the British and Spanish Empires because of how vastly influentials those Empires are.

@dinamosflams

Жыл бұрын

the spanish? nah, b tier at best, their organization was awful and everything that happened to them was basic luck, just like the american empire. their biggest accomplishment was nerfing portugal when they became the iberean union

@reygonzalez4719

Жыл бұрын

​@@dinamosflams to respond to your points that you made. The Spanish Empire was not poorly organized in fact Spain had to find new ways in organization to maintain and continue their expansion in their colonies. Spain dominated European politics for centuries and it ended only because they had to face coalitions of enemies. The level of control and organization the Spanish had over it's colonies is why it lasted for almost 500 years, which is longer than the Mongol Empire and the British Empire. Now for the second Point "luck" is subjective, because you can say anything was just luck. You could say Mongolia was lucky that when it started to expand China was going through one of it's Civil Wars and they capitalized on a weakened China. You can say the Mongolia was lucky that many of the states on the Eurasian step were disorganizing and couldn't really resist a full on invasion. You know you can say those things but you don't just stumble on to becoming one of the largest empires in history by sheer luck. You have to have the right people, in the right place, at the right time with skills and intuition to capitalize on a situation. Plus I think you're really discounting the accomplishments the Spanish Empire achieve during its lifetime. For starter Spain had the first true Global Empire and were the first ones to basically usher in the age of Imperialism.While you can argue that the Portuguese probably deserve the recognition of being the first one to achieve these goals, the way the Spanish did it became the standard on how future colonial empires will organize their colonies and the idea of The Prestige of subjugating and incorporating different states into their colonies was not done by the Portuguese but by the Spanish. At the height of its power in the Spanish golden age Spain had a colony at every region of the world, they were the first ones to achieve the saying that "the Sun never set on the Spanish Empire" it was only later that the British took that same when their empire overshadowed the Spanish. But yeah that's just a few things but I just really think you're undercutting the Spanish and the influence they had in shaping the world that we know.

@thebandit0256

Жыл бұрын

It's very unAmerican to not think of the biggest two empire that came to our shores either Jamestown or Mexico City,

@Rowlph8888

Жыл бұрын

@@reygonzalez4719 No, he's right, don't forget the conquistadors (e.g. Pizarro and Cortez), were essentially loose cannons, and Mavericks because they were not following orders.Cortez was not even supposed to be the conquistador that was allowed to travel, he was supposed to be replaced at the last-minute and he imprisoned the conquistador who came to capture him(When having already messed things up, in Mexico). Then the gold proceeds, were not distributed properly into the Spanish empire to generate more revenue and economic growth.Also, there was the butt hurt Spanish King sending the Armada twice, only to get it ass-kicked by the smaller British fleet, at the time and the British weather.They were in decline from all this, whilst the French and British empires, leaders, learnt from their mistakes, became more Laissez-faire, and relaxed in religious tolerance There was a desperation to the Spanish empire, which rivalled the fragility of their "too" speedy rise to prominence, as a nationstate. They needed savvy and wise rulers, to properly organise and show maturity with the rapidity of their rise, and they didn't have them. Many of Their Fleet were even allowed to be Boarded and robbed, without consequence (by their king), by the Dutch, British and French loose cannon pirates, on the seas (e.g. Francis Drake, Sir Walter Riley, et cetera)

@rubenperezsignes

Жыл бұрын

@@dinamosflams asi es como se que no tienes ni idea de historia. You know nothing about history.

Britain should have been SS tier. But Persia not being atleast S tier really got me irritated, cause they are still influencing the world today like Rome does.

@fawkewe

3 ай бұрын

The Persian Empire doesnt have any influence on the world today but dude, literally 50% of the world lived in the Persian Empire. That alone makes them S tier, even if they dont matter anymore to modern day.

@Arma-n

3 ай бұрын

​@@fawkeweno influence??? Declaration of human rights? Freeing the slaves, jews and captive lands???? Religion and believe tolerance???? Creating courts and laws??? Creating school and education? Best engineering in that era???

@alexaurelian8024

3 ай бұрын

@Arma-n Everything he said. Also alot of Burecratic principles the Romans adopted from them to use themselves that we use today.

@fawkewe

3 ай бұрын

@@Arma-n unfortunately, none of that seemed to have lasted. While it should be weighed towards the Persian Empire being great it sadly didn’t change much long term.

While the Holy Roman Empire indeed didn't do being an "empire" very well, due to lack of cohesion, it still needs to be way higher up. The cultural and economic importance in Europe was significant, especially if we also look at the influence of the Hanseatic League. All things considered, the HRR probably had more impact on its time than some other empires, which were big and more centralized, but kind of... just there and not doing much else.

@raisingfalcon

Жыл бұрын

Was just about to write something along these lines. The HRE lasted 1,000 years and for most of its time was a economic and military powerhouse despite its political shenanigan's in its later half. Most medieval depictions of Europe are based on the HRE so its lasting legacy shouldn't be taken lightly. The HRE for the most part never gets its fair credit, all people look at its the surface level of "Not holy, Roman or Empire" and the internal borders and that's it. The HRE really get done dirty most of the time.

@Crimson_Red972

Жыл бұрын

Yea, especially since the map of the HRE that Drew is using is very early HRE. And at that point they were just as centralized as any other medieval state

@thewingedserpent5823

Жыл бұрын

​@Crimson_Red972 probably more so considering that the french monarchy really only controlled the area around paris and had barely any controll over anything else. The only european polity that rivaled the HRE in terms of centralized power in the 10th and early 11th century was normandy and that was a comparatively small duchy which is way easier to controll than a very big (for the time) multiethnic (lets not forget that the HRE at that time owned the northern half of italy and exerted a lot of control over its slavic neighbors in the east) empire like the HRE

@Avinkwep

Жыл бұрын

On a good day the Holy Roman Empire dominated Europe from the middle

@P.H.226

Жыл бұрын

​@@thewingedserpent5823i mean, it's hard to called HRE in 10th century as centralised. I mean saxon dynasty was just a dynasty without a state. Emperor didn't have much of the land himself. It was basically relying on clients.

Drew's tier list nicely shows how little we're (in general, considering most of Europe, NA and Australia, ofc it differs a bit from one country to another) teached about some of those (Persian empire for example) and also that sometimes when you look at map some of those seems bigger or smaller than they were.

@jeremy2948

Жыл бұрын

my man rated Persia A, I'd argue it should be at SS

@technine967

Жыл бұрын

@@jeremy2948 Hell nah, Persia is not even close on empires like Rome or the British. A is good and maybe even S but not at the top

@jeremy2948

Жыл бұрын

@@technine967 The Persians were the first to unite the entire known world at the time. They laid down a foundation of bureaucracy, a roads network, economic systems and governance that Alexander later copied and adapted, which Rome ultimately benefitted from. I'm as big a Rome fan as it gets, but Persia is highly overlooked. The feats achieved by Cyrus would receive the praise it deserves if it weren't for Alexander. I'd read further into the pre Achaemenid Persia near-east if I were you. If you have, then I agree to disagree. "King of Kings" by Dan Carlin is a fantastic podcast of the subject (along with most of his podcasts, highly recommend). (Note that Persia was the biggest, most populated and most diverse Empire in history at the time.) I'd argue the British Empire should be lower than both Rome and Persia which should be equal.

@panner11

11 ай бұрын

@@jeremy2948 I wouldn't take Drew's list too seriously. He underrated every old empire except Rome. I mean he put Egypt and China on the same low tier as Italy and Austria-Hungary.

@shaaravguha3760

11 ай бұрын

@@jeremy2948 When did they unite the known world. Last time I checked they knew about India and greece yet failed in all of their invasions.

nah the german empire wasn't lame, they weren't really big but they were really strong. and austrian empire wasn't lame as well they had a lot of influence in europe

@Crimson_Red972

Жыл бұрын

Austrian Empire had basically no influence compared to the rest of the great powers

@moinsenmittag8683

Жыл бұрын

​@@Crimson_Red972I think he is talking about the Habsburgs who came really close to uniting Europe under one massive inbread family, which doesn't sound as impressive as it actually was.

@armingleiner5292

Жыл бұрын

​@@Crimson_Red972Thats just not true. Look at the Congress of Vienna.

@Leon-gr2oo

11 ай бұрын

@@moinsenmittag8683yes very close, the victory for the german side in ww1 was actually pretty close, but the world would be a lot different now

@arthuralexander1449

Ай бұрын

​@@Leon-gr2ooyup, if only their alies didn't suck so much or they had more allies like the italians for example, germany could have won ww1

The Spanish empire should have been higher, at least one tier or two. They were as influential or even more than the British and putting them along side the French and _American_ “empires” is really lame. Also those genocides are mostly wizard histories from the English, they were the most colonizers and killers of the natives.

@javiergracia2569

Жыл бұрын

Thats when I stoped the video, a "history teacher" who inmediatly calls genocides, has he seen the ethnicity of places where Spain was?

@RodrigoGarcia510

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the "history teacher" calling the spanish empire genocidal to natives was disappointing

@sebas1998camo

Жыл бұрын

Absoluty, the audacity this man speaks is another level Most mixed and well integrated empire ever

@guille3017

11 ай бұрын

fr, i mean, you cannot call the spanish empire genocides while 4 example in the US the native population is around 2% of its entire population. the spanish empire was the first empire that allowed the marriage between native americans and spaniards and banned the slavery with the Burgos Laws signed in 1512 by the Catholics Monarchs. P.S: i am not saying the spanish kingdom was good overall im just denying that black legend.

@sebas1998camo

11 ай бұрын

@@guille3017 ikr, they even promoted the marriage with the natives, they registered their languages, even the English were registered after a lot of native languages, they even made the first global vaccine campaign in the Americas cos they knew they bring plagues when they arrived and they DID SOMETHING about it, they took 1/5 part of the taxes for the peninsula and the rest were invested in colleges, hospitals in overall the infraestructure of the current metropolis of nowadays. This man is biased AF

When Drew told that Abbasid Empire was a prequel to Ottoman Empire I felt phsical pain as a Turk

@monkephrog5984

Ай бұрын

Yeah 😭 you Turks saved us from them! Farsi wouldve died if the abbasid empire survived

Charles V’s empire would be interesting, its a combo of the HRE , early spanish empire and Burgundy as well as parts of Italy

I would love to see more of this history tier list stuff

Spanish empire = the original empire in which the sun never sets. Also casually forgets the british empire

I am loving these. I want to see the Mr. Terry tier list. Not just speaking through it but put it together.

To summarize: drew made a list. Terry's reaction: OOOOOF

@MrTerry

Жыл бұрын

Nah, he’s pretty spot on

I also think Ottoman Empire should be a tier or so higher. I might be wrong but they're pretty high at one of the long-lasted empires in history, right? Around 600-ish years or so?

I enjoyed this video. You're not simply agreeing or disagreeing but coming at it with a different perspective and different criteria that might not have been considered

Terry cmon, don't pull the Black Legend on me like that for the Spanish Empire...

Imperial Japan should’ve been lower. I would give the French empire under Napoleon an S tier ranking. I also think these tier list should rank by how interesting these empires are to study as well as power and influence

@P.H.226

Жыл бұрын

But that's pointless. I mean I'd rather study the Dutch, then the Napoleon, because I simply find the latter less intresting. In fact the most interesting thing about Napoleon is the aftermath of his colapse. You may thimk differently, but it cannot be measured. Influence can be to some extend. Feeling are not.

@panner11

11 ай бұрын

Yeah Japan occupying large areas of east asia for a few years is not much compared to others in the list. That's not empire building just an invasion force.

"If it's not exactly what I think, we're going to have drama" Internet be like:

He forgot the titans of XV and XVI centuries, Portugal and Spanish Empire

Terry, you should make your own tier list.

Actually, the Dutch had their own puppet government in Indonesia back then. They took over some kingdoms and make them as puppets, they also had outsourcing soldiers from locals and their military personnel posted in Indonesia especially on 18-19th century. So all of these stuff were governed by General Governor as satellite government for Netherland

@gdbluefirre6749

Жыл бұрын

Don’t forget: whilst Belgium was more more cruel than the Dutch. The Dutch were still assholes. Unfair wages, bad living environments for the locals, racism, economic manipulation etc. It came to the point where there’s a book about it (max havelaar by Multatuli, highly reccomend it).

@grav_nl

Жыл бұрын

@@gdbluefirre6749 at least the Dutch used slaves only for trading with the WIC unlike other nations. Compared to the other nations that were big in colonizing in that time period it was probably the best to be colonized by the Dutch since we were so focused on trading and spices instead of land and power. Even to this day we still control a few islands like the ABC-Islands

About the HRE: gotta compare apples to apples. During the High Middle Ages it was probably the biggest player in Europe. After that it went downhill. Still lasted for centuries on end

@donkey9113

Жыл бұрын

i agree, nothing lame about HRE

@Leon-gr2oo

11 ай бұрын

It was the empire in europe for most of its time, till its decline with the start of the 30 year war from 1618-48

12:11 With all respect, that is a mayor falsehood. There wasn't a genocide and not everything is atrocious (I am not saying that there were no abuses).

Im pissed that the swedish empire that was created by the "father of modern warfare" was not on the list. We had a barley a million people and and bullied half of europe and russia for a century. and Even when denmark-norway Polish-lithuania and russia, 2 empires that were on the list we draged the battle out for 21 years and in the beginning were kicked their arses.

@chaost4544

Жыл бұрын

Gustavus Adolphus... extremely underrated in history.

@LykanosAquilae

Жыл бұрын

Cringe, now is swedistan

Funny of Mr Terry to say: yep (your opinion) better be exactly the same as mine or we're gonna have drama. 😆

ok, now we need you to do this and compare it to Drew's tier list (because I need thick Persia to be higher)

@thebandit0256

Жыл бұрын

Is the Persian Empire why do you have fat shame an country that might have the Garden of Eden

I don't know if it was intentional but the beginning of this video reminds me of Dunkey's "drama" with that top 10 video games of the decade video lol. Very cultured Mr. Terry

ngl as a german I have very mixed feelings on the SS tier, just sounds a lot worse in our language considering our history

@PatM1893

Жыл бұрын

S+ wäre besser gewesen

@lewisvargrson

Жыл бұрын

Think of it like the ß-tier. Now it's family friendly in Germany.

@SamFromItalia

Жыл бұрын

what a classic german response, but in all seriousness, Germans as a whole including Austrians need to get over their past. the Mongols, the Japanese, and most Americans have gotten over the horrible things in their nation's past. Yes, the nazis were horrific, But hyper-focusing on 6 years of horror compared to the millennia of revolutionary culture, science, ideology, and victorious wars, I think is just masochistic at this point.

@acecard999

Жыл бұрын

@@SamFromItalia Japan didn’t more so get over it, but rather buried their dark history

@SamFromItalia

Жыл бұрын

@@acecard999 ENGLISH

It'd be so funny if he had ranked "nono Germany" in the SS category. Based on the history

I am Spanish and I would like to comment on something as a lover of Spanish history and you mention that the Spanish empire produced atrocities, jenocide and slavery... 1. Spain thanks to The New Laws of 1542 prohibited the slavery of any Native American with the death penalty for landowners who refused, but allowed the purchase of African slaves, the main slave traders were the Portuguese and then the English who did have African colonies. 2. The Spanish inquisition was a copy of the French one that had already existed for some centuries and was implemented by the Catholic kings, in America it was forbidden for the inquisition to judge the natives (it is worth mentioning that in a single night the French inquisition died more people than the Spanish in 350 years of history) 3: Genocides? I really don't know what you mean, I guess in America, I'll just say look at the United States and analyze its population and then look at the Spanish-American countries and you can see where there really was a true genocide. Most of these thoughts about the Spanish empire are due to the Spanish black legend, a set of lies created to discredit the empire, many of these lies were created in the 30 years war due to the different wars between Catholics and Protestants.

@blas1528

Жыл бұрын

Menos mal que alguien lo dice 🤝🏻

@thoralexandermichelsen6592

Жыл бұрын

And its not like the native americans they genocided didnt genoicde each other. The aztecs is probably the most evil empire of all time.

@Albens00

Жыл бұрын

Que esperas de un estadounidense xD Allí la leyenda negra está a la orden del día

@malkavil

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, f anglocentrics, anyway they have they days numbered, with each day more ppl are speaking spanish in USA ^^

@hexpert6043

Жыл бұрын

Que van a saber ellos si les preguntas donde esta Andorra y te contestan Africa xd

Mr.terry replies is making my day,i love it 😂

Pretty much entirely agreed with you, was saying the same thing just before you did. The original is painfully inconsistent and a bit odd at times - but I suppose I was using similar criteria to you, influence and lasting impact, as well as the scale and scope particularly compared to contemporaries. British is undoubtedly top tier, that was a weird choice, it’s almost certainly the most influential empire globally of all time after Rome too (even allowing for a bit of Eurocentric/Anglosphere bias) - Babylonians much higher (although my focus is Early Modern onwards I have a real soft spot for a bit of Assyriology), and the Vikings shouldn’t even have been on the list as that’s in no way an Empire so that’s an automatic bottom tier of you can’t leave them off. Would probably have HRE a little higher than you as it’s important in the shaping of Europe still but broadly agree with your points

@MuriKakari

Жыл бұрын

Being Drew, he may have had those in mind, but also as a Civ player and a little rule of cool

The Byzantines are a little difficult to rank. What Basil, Justinian and the Komnenos dynasty did were S to SS tier. Angelos dynasty on the other hand were probably even below Italy. How do you rank an Empire that was around for one thousand years? At its peak? At its low? On average?

(12:08) It is a pitty that the Spanish empire is known for that when it did not genocide anyone and was the first to forbid enslaving indigenous people

it's strange how the achaemenid (persian) empire was listed twice, but I think it should go to S just because it is a very influential empire which basically have directly or indirectly created a bunch of things that we live with today. and the empire held over 40% of the world's population of the time. my opinion though.

@ChesterGlover

Жыл бұрын

Easily SS

@e.k193

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but, brown people.

@yaqubleis6311

Жыл бұрын

Achaemenid Empire is SS if you know history

@ShahanshahShahin

Жыл бұрын

SS

@zan4336

Жыл бұрын

Achaemenid is easily SS

I Would agree for there being a Viking Empire if he was just talking about the North Sea Empire.

It is true that geographically the German Empire was not that impressive, but their economy and influence considering their size was MAD!

@Leon-gr2oo

11 ай бұрын

Yes hes for sure a german hater otherwise i cant explain how he denies that the german empire was the great power at his time in the world

The Incans weren't on the list which is just criminal. The fact that they managed to build the Machu Picchu and we still don't understand how is amazing. They also controlled a massive area. I'm not sure how they did on development because i don't know if they built those incredible road networks throughout the empire. I also think the Achaemnids should be SS tier honestly. The satrap system is just genius and essentially an ancient version of a president and a governor. The fact that they were very kind compared to say the Babylonians and Assyrians that had ruled there before gives big bonus points for me too. The empire was also really well managed with a robust postal system and road network AFAIK.

16:40 If we take out the attrocities (like we did with the Japanese Empire with an S) i think the "No No Germans" should be higher. They brought Germany out of the Great Depression.

@Enriyes20

Жыл бұрын

I agree, if Hitler wasn't so bad he could have been one of the greatest rulers of all time, he was extremally smart and knew what he was doing, he just started stabbing himself towards the end and was a very bad person.

@jamesmacdonald1116

Жыл бұрын

solving unemployment by forcing your population into forced labour, while solving the issue, should not be considered a solution. and building a complex road system (with said labour) for the soviets to steamroll down after you overextend yourself is shooting yourself in both feet

@kringle7804

Жыл бұрын

But he did he never helped the economy he just stole money from other countries

@alanetchetto8908

Жыл бұрын

By taking an extreeeeme debt that they couldnt pay. If they didnt go to war their economy would have collapsed, it was in the path of doing it already. there was a reason why hitler couldnt wait longer, the country was a boiling pot, he just put it on its foot and armed it to fight again, but there was no way in the world he would be able to keep it without conflict.

@Eruthian

Жыл бұрын

Nope. It was administered in a way, that managed to piss off most of the rest of the world for them to knock them into oblivion. Didn`t even manage to last for one generation. Very low tier. B at most. For the same reason I`d put napoleonic France, Alexandrian Greece and Imperial Japan there too. Well Alexandrian Greece and Napoleonic France maybe a bit higher, because they at least left some important cultural marks after their downfall (Before you ask, French republic and Napoleonic Empire were important for the end for European monarchies). Mongols didn`t last long too, but at least it were a few generations and they definetly left a cultural mark.

I always enjoy seeing people mock & scoff at the Holy Roman Empire. The HRE lasted nearly a thousand years, how long did your favs last? Clearly something, for a long time, worked well.

@bobafett9348

Жыл бұрын

Mine lasted more than that. It was the Real Roman Empire

@ArdensSedVirens1

Жыл бұрын

@@bobafett9348 that's nice

I think you were kind of missing the point of the tier list. This isn't about what nations did the best, this is just about what nations Drew found to be his favorite. Like obviously the Ottoman Empire may be my favorite, doesn't mean I support them and would care to have them around in the current world. Either way still a really cool video, nice job

My two favorite history/geography channels together

lets make a peaceful mr terry history empire where everyone gets unlimited hugs.

@MrTerry

Жыл бұрын

🤗

Bonjour, Excusez moi mais comparer les USA qui n'ont que 200 ans d'existence avec des empires comme la France qui ont largement plus d'un millénaire d'histoire (la France devrait être au même niveau que l'angleterre histoire tout autant complexe et complète) c'est d'une total impartialité du fait que les USA soit dans leurs âge d'or. De même pour l'empire ottoman qui mérite un SS pour son histoire militaire culturelle et scientifique énorme qui fait de lui l'un des pays fondateurs du monde actuel. Je suis ingénieur et scientifique en histoire des sciences d'après moi votre recherche sur certains empires/pays devrait être plus poussé que les simple arguments que vous dites lors de cette réaction de vidéo (cela va de même pour l'autre messieur de la vidéo originale) Bonne journée à vous.

The soviets should be a good A-S tier, they were an absolute superpower and they themselves were matching up against the entire western world. Besides rome nobody had that prolonged super-level threat

@user-is1eq9jm2t

Жыл бұрын

They didn't even have Imperial Russia on the list, lol

16:28 Drew has been around awhile, and due to social media demonetization rules, he can't give the common name used by World War II Germany, or name their small-mustached leader.

it would be awesome to have this guy as my history teacher

Time to make you’re own list

@MrTerry

Жыл бұрын

Tbh, I kind of feel like I made it as I was commenting on his.

he made a tier list based on the size of the empire 💀

The Holy Roman Empire was LARPing as the Roman Empire with the Roman costume that mum had at home.

Doing one of Drew's Abridged History would be awesome

British Empire has to be on the double S tier, because the other empires he ranks with the British Empire simply don't match up whatsoever

@LykanosAquilae

Жыл бұрын

Nahh

@thoralexandermichelsen6592

Жыл бұрын

I would say the roman empire is the only empire that surpassed the british because of how long it lasted.

@robzsarmy5471

11 ай бұрын

​@@thoralexandermichelsen6592 Im british and Roman Empire Is the greatest for sure but to put Mongol above British or even same tier is crazy

@xaoc6084

10 ай бұрын

@@LykanosAquilaeWhat do you mean nah, it's pretty clear 😂

@PotatoSalad614

8 ай бұрын

British Empire created the USA which is the world superpower. The British Empire is SS tier.

as a french I just have to say a word, when the WW2 ended, Americans invented the french bashing, in what consist the fact to make fun of french based on differents clichés who where invented by Americans, so, when Drew Durnil says "everybody make fun of France", in fact the biggest part of the "everybody" are Americans, and maybe britsh (we have a passive together lol(IDK if "having a passive" exist in english)), so yeah, basically, Americans don't even remember why they make fun of french

@dennisgoatimer1079

Жыл бұрын

The equivalent would be friendly banter although sometimes it turns not so friendly just be grateful we have to keep watch of the Jerries instead 🤣

@Tanuki_NoRa

Жыл бұрын

@@dennisgoatimer1079 the Jerries ?

@dennisgoatimer1079

Жыл бұрын

@@Tanuki_NoRa German's

@Amb_ms

10 ай бұрын

@@dennisgoatimer1079 thx to URSS mhh...

@dennisgoatimer1079

10 ай бұрын

@@Amb_ms ???

The North Sea Empire was kind of a thing with Canute the Great holding Britain and Scandinavia. Thats a powerhouse at the time.

putting persian empire in b tier is brutal ss fosure

Great Video :) I was thinking that when it comes to the choice of Chinese empires/dynasties, taking the Qing is not the best option for this video. I would personally rank the Han and Tang dynasties above them and rate these somewhere around A/S tier.

@genericeuropean3745

11 ай бұрын

Trueeee, I was honestly dissapointed not seeing either of them or even the Song on the list😒

I love history so much I wish you were my teacher

I would put france and British empire in SS. France defeated a much stronger europe than any SS tier empire defeated, that europe needed to unite their forces to beat the french army. France also conquered land in almost every continent and where pretty much the only one to invade Russia successfully. French was the most spoken language around the world for a while. British empire has to be SS tier, it really annoys me how people disrespect such an empire, let me remind you that English is still to this day the most spoken language around the world. They had the greatest empire in history, they were the only one to be able to fight back against a prime France. The French and British empire are the 2 greatest empire in history

Glad you recognized the Aztec empire where Drew failed to

I think the American empire also probably should’ve included all the central and South American states we installed puppet governments in or straight up invaded: Nicaragua, Granada, Haiti, Guatemala. Also does the US empire also include all of the territory that was occupied by indigenous peoples when the country was formed? Because that makes the starting nation much smaller compared to the height of the empire

@Blue_SaaS

Жыл бұрын

also all of Brazil and if i recall correctly Argentina, that was huge

@Wertsir

Жыл бұрын

The peak of the American Empire should include their entire sphere of influence as of the end of the cold war.

@Leon-gr2oo

11 ай бұрын

Are u speaking about europe when u say puppets?

Holy Roman Empire? More like Secular German Kingdom, amiright?

@emtheslav2295

Жыл бұрын

Not necessarily secular, since even the pathetic version, the church was still quite powerful

@MrTerry

Жыл бұрын

Not holy, not Roman, not an empire

@Ghreinos

Жыл бұрын

@@MrTerry It was all of them at one point and I'm sad you even mention this quote by Voltaire from the late stages of it's existing. It existed nearly 1000 years, only the real Roman empire could beat this. That's one of the dumbest quotes in The HRE held Rome at the beginning (that's why the name Roman) and they saw themselves as the successor of the Romans, the king/ emporer got crowned by the pope and was the defender of christianity (that's why Holy, but also only really in the beginning stages) and it was definitly and empire (even up till it's end, but you could say the kings and dukes just did their own stuff. Yes sometimes they followed the orders of the emporer, but sometimes they didn't, especially after the reformation and the thirty years war, the power of the emporer was minimal (atleast as an emporer, the emporer had full authority about the place he ruled as king or duke)). But all emporers had power struggle, just look at Great Britain or the Mongols.

SS - Roman, British, Mongols S- Spanish, Ottoman, Byzantium, Abbasid, Achaemenid/Persian. The Chinese empire is SS but I refuse to add them because they are a collection of different dynastic rule that all contributed to what China is today. Yes, I consider the CCP a successor/dynasty that is currently ruling China.

@user-jy4vr4eu4h

Ай бұрын

Agree

I am kinda annoyed the only chinese empire is represented by the qing, what about the tang, ming or han, or literally any of the other dynasties of china, seems unfair that china is judged only off its last dynasty

Honestly, I had pretty much the exact same reaction to him doing my Aztecs dirty like that as you did.

@neroatlas9121

Жыл бұрын

Yup

@Ahalaya

Жыл бұрын

@Michelle So am I. I'm not even from anywhere either massive Hispanic influence. I just think the Aztecs were awesome.

@dentescare

Жыл бұрын

At least they appeared, the incas weren't even in the list and the Incan empire was larger ;-;

@thegyattiestmanalive22.2

Жыл бұрын

@@dentescareno lake city?

@BetaD_

11 ай бұрын

@@thegyattiestmanalive22.2 yes, but mountain city and mountain roads instead!

why are all history teachers so cool man xD greetings from germany

Britain banned slavery and the world has never seen that before

I'd put the Dutch empire in a tier because of their huge economic power during a time when Britain was top tier. They financed Britain. Geographically not huge, but economically ...

@GnohmPolaeon.B.OniShartz

10 ай бұрын

I think people like to think military over money and power over culture. Otherwise Rome wouldn't always be everyone's number one. Imo

The level of historical education - Burger King

Unbelievable that neither the Imperium of Man or the Necron Empire were included.

i do find it funny that whenever i find a new list of the most historically influential countries/states on the world Britain is either 1st or 2nd, and when its second its always behind Rome and the reason given is that Rome's influence on early Britain, put it onto its path to achieve everything it did.

@maxdavis7722

Жыл бұрын

I never understood that logic, rome was influenced by many other empires.

@Rowlph8888

Жыл бұрын

@@maxdavis7722 Is BS anyway.The Industrial Revolution and sheer volume of innovation coming from Britain, on top of the incredible spread of their culture and empire "globally", pisses all over the Roman Empire.People just don't like to admit this, because Britain is a current nationstate and it's not cool to like them.But it's an objectively measurable fact, on all levels, that British culture has been more influential, and the Empire more impressive Rome also has the romanticism value of less familiarity with the ancient world.

@maxdavis7722

Жыл бұрын

@@Rowlph8888 I agree, there is a great over exaggeration of the influence of old events simply because they are old. Being old is not the same as being influential.

@StefanWB

Жыл бұрын

​@@Rowlph8888 I'm not here to evangelise for Rome, but I think they deserve some credit for the fact that their empire could be considered comparable in influence to an empire that is 2,000 years younger. Yes, technological innovation in Industrial Britain was insane, but Rome's technological and cultural achievements were just as impressive albeit in a less condensed time period. Rome is very much an influence on the modern nation of Italy, and in the legal codes of just about every Western nation. Latin still dominates the textbooks of many academic fields, especially law and medicine. You can't look at history in a vacuum, and while I agree it's reductive to say that Rome was "better" or more influential because it came first and influenced later empires, I also think it's kinda wrong to disregard just how much they achieved and how long their empire lasted, especially considering the cultural institutions that outlived them.

@mattia8327

Жыл бұрын

@@Rowlph8888 rome conquered enemies that were stronger than them econically technologically militarily and then proceeded to match them through the will of their military society. After they had defeated and conquered all these same level states they then advanced to a technological scientific, militarily and economical level that was not reached again for at least 1000 years after their collapse. The romans built structures that no one else knew how to use or even what they did and in fact when they left for example Britain, the local population started dying of diseases, etc... because they had been living off of all the acquduts, etc... that the romans buiot and one they left they had no idea how to use them Britain went on some boats and took land that no one else wanted like Australia and Canada, their only real achievement was conquering a weakened india.

17:30 *me wondering if its inca empire or Aztec empire until he said it was aztec but being happy either way since I am hispanic*

@wolfie6934

Жыл бұрын

XD

1 thing about roman empire, a lot of modern laws in huge chunk of countries are still based on roman laws.

Achaemenid empire was such great empire especially because of Darius II

I think the Ottomans were pretty bad late on, but the ability to eventually influence political decisions in Europe to find new routes to India, basically kickstarting the age of Discovery, if anything early Ottomans are S tier, Late Ottomans are like C tier, I'd put them very low A.

I'll admit it, I'm a Kaiserboo. I absolutely love the Kaiserreich. I collect flags and the flag of the German Empire was the 2nd one I collected right behind the American flag.

@noidea5984

Жыл бұрын

Seek help

@randomyankee8923

Жыл бұрын

@@noidea5984 nah he's based

@thegyattiestmanalive22.2

Жыл бұрын

…ok

@alistairt7544

Жыл бұрын

I don't get it... 😬

@marcobelli6856

11 ай бұрын

Become a romaboo return to the og Caesar

German Empire was fighting the whole world with shit allies 😂 They were pretty pretty good.. Also Quick history of Germany: Rejects Roman annexation - Teutons defeat Rome, are often slapped in the face, but Rome generally fails to subdue them Create an Empire that wasn't really an Empire but somehow lived for 1000 years - Very special and unique The Kingdom of Prussia and hundreds of German states gangsta! before being defeated by one of history's greatest generals. defeats the French, unite into a new Empire Get a colonial Empire Fights the whole world two times Gets divided again Reunites again and is not allowed to be strong again. Also, a few German inventions 😂 - Incandescent lamps (Heinrich Göbel 1854) - The Telephone (Johann Philip Reis 1859) - Dynamo and tram (Werner von Siemens 1866) - The 35mm camera (Oskar Barnack 1925) - Nuclear fission and atomic bomb (Otto Hahn - while Nazi Germany emigrated to the Americans of course. Are they lucky the Germans exist - 1938) - The ship chart (Jürgen Dethloff and Helmut Gröttrub 1969) - Periodic Table (Julius Luther Meyer 1864) - Jeans (Levi Strauss 1873) - The recorder, player - with which the first films were possible (Emil Berliner 1887) - Aspirin - which all great athletes used to feel used to relieve pain and which saved countless lives (Felix Hoffmann 1879) - Spark plug (Robert Bosch 1902) - Thermos flask (Reinhold Burger 1903) - the toothpaste (Ottomar Heinsius von Mayenburg) - The coffee filter (Melitta Bentz) - Cassette recorder (Fritz Pfleumer 1928) - Teabag (Adolf Rambold 1929) - The jet engines - Indispensable for all jets and rockets + First war rockets V1, V2 of the Nazis (Hans von Ohain 1929) - The Helicopter (Heinrich Focke 1936) - The first car (Carl Benz - With honorary mustache - 1886) - Computers (Konrad Zuse 1941) - Fanta (During the Nazi era - and yes, this Fanta) - First 3D film (also during the Nazi era) - NASA (due to thousands of German engineers and thinkers that the Americans needed) - Typewriter (Peter Mitterhofer - 1864)

@mr.archivity

Ай бұрын

Debatable. Highly debatable.

You should rate Empires based on: Size Population Duration Influence (contemporary and later) Power (maybe) Origins (what it started as) With this in mind, Rome and British are S tier, but some may not be as high because they were short lived

You need to do a teir list of your favorite history events.

The problem with these rankings is that the rankings these Empires get can shift radically depending on how you rank them. The greatest example is Russia. The Russian Empire at its height (from the Great Northern War to the Crimean War.) You could make the case for Russia being an A tier or even S tier, they were one of if not the greatest power on the continent and only really rivaled by Britain. But of course from Crimea to 1942/43 Russia (and the Soviet Union) just eats rocks and fails immensely at everything they tried to do, which could put them at C or D. Then with the USSR at its height in 50s and 60s they could go back up to A tier for even being able to rival the United States. Then there is Russia now... Russia really is the 3rd Rome, just not quite in the way they think they are.

@serbianwarrior385

11 ай бұрын

Funny,because i would say USA is a 3rd Rome😂

Fun fact in the First Italo-Ethiopian war The Ethiopians managed to get better guns than the Italians, through trade with Russia.

@mr.archivity

Ай бұрын

And they were triple the Italian numbers

Agree with you about Portuguese empire being A tho we went down hill the moment king Sebastian died and never recovered at least it lasted until 1999 but it was amazing at the good days

That that sort of bullshit I expected from an American History teacher 😂

The early Persian empire is to me SS. Both because of the massive influence (they pioneered freedom of religion, and they had a huge influence on the Jewish people via freeing them from Babylon) and because of the land they controlled. They had just about all of the Middle East and Asia Minor under their banners. Also Cyrus was the goat, change my mind

I am very disappointed in both Terry and Drew for glossing over the Achaemenids.

History Teachers are the best teachers

@13e09

Жыл бұрын

fr

I wouldn’t expect to see Mr. Terry watch Drew

The mongols were big and really fast expanded and they are definetly one of my favorites. But they have to go into S-Tier due to it's fast recline and very bad ability to hold territory and take control of defended areas.

@VojtaJavora

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, should go below that of Alexander, who kinda did the same thing (with it being short lived), but at least with better integration and kick-starting the Hellenistic age must count for something.

There is no way he put Aztec Empire in D. Montezuma is rolling in his grave right now. (Or at least he would be if anyone knew where it was.)

@DreckbobBratpfanne

Жыл бұрын

I mean we don't have to know where it is for him to roll in it?

@OfficialUKGov

Жыл бұрын

@@DreckbobBratpfanne when did he say that

@DreckbobBratpfanne

Жыл бұрын

@@OfficialUKGov "he is rolling in his grave right now" followed by "he would be if anyone knew..."

@crimson1453

Жыл бұрын

The Aztec Empire doesn't deserve anything higher than that lmfao.

@DominationDom

Жыл бұрын

@@crimson1453 as a professional said: "The Aztecs controlled an empire of 30 mil. people, built an entire MEGACITY IN THE 1400s ON A LAKE WITHOUT ANIMALS" and held onto most parts (starting with their core controlled territory) of multiple decades, despite the disadvantage of an pre-metalurgy empire like the malians or vikings.

Roman Empire is SS+ Tier

Everyone celebrates americas independence and proud of acheiving that. Nobody remembers that an entire race and species were almost wiped out just so the land on which that was achieved became "available"?

I think the German empire should definitely be A. Once Germany was unified the rest of Europe was scared because they became the strongest power and they were just insanely powerful. They proved to be able to destroy enemy forces even with lesser numbers like on the eastern front in ww1 against the Russians and had to carry the entirety of the central powers because all of them were bad and Germany still got very close to winning ww1.

@xenotypos

Жыл бұрын

Overestimating colonial powers and underestimating continental European powers is rather common in the US. That's why Germany and even France are underestimated, compared with Britain and especially Spain. Terry is a knowledgable person so I won't assume, but it's possible he doesn't realize fully how much more competitive and important was European land, in terms of real European politics.

@rdm3373

Жыл бұрын

Nope. German empire was an underachiever's British Empire

@GamingKnight0820

Жыл бұрын

@@rdm3373 no they weren't, they weren't very similar, Germanys military was amazing and the best at the time and was very industrial while the British had the best navy and very expatiationist to get more colonies

@tonyhawk94

Жыл бұрын

They were strong but they didn't make anything lasting out of it compared to Britain and France for instance.

@rdm3373

Жыл бұрын

@@GamingKnight0820 Compared to some of its neighbors. Yeah it was