Ngl, what cured my depression was getting a good job and owning property.

@Jules-Is-a-Guy

5 ай бұрын

Side effects include: responsibility, adulting, paying taxes.

@CYBER_FunkER

5 ай бұрын

I was doing plenty of that before I got to where I am now.

@playzaid4k

Ай бұрын

​@@Jules-Is-a-GuyWell you can't go one way. Things will be always there to maintain the balance.

Really liked this convo, Freya has her finger on the pulse for Gen Z and sounds like especially for Gen Z women. Love to see her back!

Freud and psychoanalysis were also trendy. They treated diseases of the upper class female such as hysteria. When i was growing Woody Allen movies made having "a shrink" seem urbane and sophisticated. More work needs to be done to parse out the symbiotic relationship between high status women and psychological/psychiatric trendiness.

@NyeshaMcCauley

5 ай бұрын

Wow! That's an amazing insight. I don't have the means to pursue that topic, but I encourage you to or anyone else reading this to do so.

@meghan8020

4 ай бұрын

I think a huge factor driving these claims of mental illness among high status women was boredom and lack of purpose. To be fair to them (at least back a day when women had no rights outside of the home) they were relegated to the house, where they had staff available to do everything for them, husbands who were off working, and nothing but time on their hands - especially once their children were grown. That would make anyone mad. Such a purposeless existence - especially if you found yourself in a loveless marriage. Now, I think it’s become trendy because it’s a quick way of signalling victimhood without actually being a victim of anything. I honestly think this whole CRT and DEI business is a driver too. White women have no other way to claim any victim credits lol if you’re a middle class, straight, white, university educated woman - the only available victim credit you can cash in on is that of mental illness 😂 That, and the obsession with looking like the Insta influencer has devolved into a runaway feedback loop. Claiming mental illness, becoming hyper introspective and tuned in to what others think of us on a superficial level, and then voila - we actually end up as neurotic balls of anxiety. I agree with these two. Turn off the streaming service, put down your phone and get in the sun, go to bed on time, wake up early, spend time with family (without videoing and posting every friggin second) and read some books…. The world would be much better for it.

@alenaadamkova7617

4 күн бұрын

Someone said probably Sam Vaknin said that The Freud people were studying the studies only of mentally ill women, never the men..... thinking that it wouldn´t be ok to study mentally ill men. or maybe they didnt have anybody who would like to be studied voluntarily Who knows...or maybe the society wouldnt allow it. We dont know how much the free speech was allowed. Its better to be neutral now, because current men can not be anylzing what that men in History did. they can only analyze what is now.

I'm in my 50s and found an online therapist incredibly helpful. I suffered some very traumatic things when I was young. Stuff I don't feel comfortable even sharing with many of my friends. two years ago I started experiencing severe physical symptoms such as Tachycardia which required drugs to control. The cardiologist could find nothing organically wrong with my heart. After about 3 months of counseling and therapy I was able to go off Beta Blockers. In my case this has been life changing. I'm having follow ups every two months with this therapist for the next year.

@grannyannie2948

5 ай бұрын

I had a horrendous childhood and suffered from clinical depression for a large part of my life. But as I grew into my 40s and 50s it went away. As for your heart did you participate in the safe and effective? Two of my nieces and my doctor's son now have myocarditis and in my country doctors are incentivised not to diagnose or treat it.

@muiresuilgorm3452

4 ай бұрын

Glad that helped you.

@scottleespence752

4 ай бұрын

@@grannyannie2948 I had a battery of test, including a stress test. Nothing physically wrong.

@grannyannie2948

4 ай бұрын

@@scottleespence752 I'm glad to hear that. And I am glad you have found something that works for you.

What I say to people is at least try diet, exercise and sleep first. It’s astonishing to me how few people try these things before taking drugs or even worse putting their kids on them. The job of mothering has become an unwelcome inconvenience. Instead of it being a meaningful vocation and purpose.

After listening to this, the common denominator of all the issues that are talked about in this episode is people not raising their children (for whatever reason) and letting them be raised by the internet with no kind of limit.

@grannyannie2948

5 ай бұрын

I babysit school aged kids after school. In my experience the children of millennials have zero access to social media. Their parents learnt the hard way how soul destroying it is. They do use the internet because realistically that is how television is accessed today. They use dumb phones to talk to friends and family but kids have spoken to each other over the phone since the 50s. The real thing that doesn't get spoken about is daycare. And this is the area where parents are literally not raising their children and at an age when it is most important for the child's healthy development. Between the ages of 6 weeks and six months, the majority of babies get abandoned into daycare and the mother goes back to work. And the baby does suffer abandonment. Indeed it is worse than a one off abandonment like being taken into foster care for the infant. Infants under three years need to bond and feel secure in their bonds. They are not old enough to understand time. In daycare centres there are multiple carers on multiple days and often shift changes during the day. The baby or toddler is just trying to find one person to love them and stay with them. The research is overwhelming. Infants placed in daycare under the age of three suffer permanent emotional damage in areas of trust and ability to bond. Too many mothers have done this and simply don't want to hear. And ofcourse feminists hate the subject and blame the internet. For God's sake, stop blaming school aged kids googling how old their cat is in cat years and grow up and accept the real cause that children are becoming fragile.

Edit: It occurs to me that Kim Kardashian and the Instagram-face is for some women what a steroid-abusing body builder with enormous muscles is for some men - an image they aspire to because they wrongly assume the opposite sex finds it especially attractive. Some men are shocked to hear that women generally aren't very interested in massive muscles on men, and some women might be shocked to find the Kim K look isn't as attractive to men as they assume.

@watermelonkang

5 ай бұрын

I suspect in both cases it has nothing or little to do with the opposite sex, but more a form of intra-sex competition.

@joerapo

4 ай бұрын

The difference is because it takes so long to gain muscle even with the use of steroids men notice a point of diminishing returns with women before they ever reach a point of having so much muscle it's unattractive to 99% of women.

@jenniferlawrence2701

4 ай бұрын

@@watermelonkang But competition for what? Ultimately it seems to be about who is considered the most attractive to the opposite sex. A defining characteristic of both high-status women and high-status men is their ability to attract desirable partners.

@Zzyzzyx

Ай бұрын

​@@jenniferlawrence2701Evolutionarily speaking, men's drive for muscle has to do with beating each other up (or at least intimidating one another). Not attracting the opposite sex, but eliminating the competition.

I got an ad for Better Help while watching this 😂

We are in a Matrix - repeating loop, generation after generation. There's Twilight Zones episodes from the original series in the 60's dealing with this very topic.

As a mother of 3 daughters, 2 Gen Z & 1 Gen Alpha, my advice would be to keep them busy! The more down time they have on their hands, the more they turn to social media! They need to be on sports teams, in clubs, doing chores, playing outside with friends, etc.etc.

*How can I justify my bad behaviour in a therapeutic way* ...

I think that the pill pushing is almost about an issue with pride. I have a couple of friends who have subtly told me I should take anxiety pills (they both are on them for the long term) because I’m having trouble working in the field I studied for. I don’t want to take meds because I’m unable to do that job. Maybe I just made a mistake and need to aim elsewhere?! We’ve been sold the “you can achieve any of your dreams” thing and people aren’t able to accept that we all have limits.

@skylinefever

5 ай бұрын

I blame the motivational industry and blank slatism for the "You can do anything you want if you try hard." Funny how the people who sell that don't expect people to become rockstars, pro athletes, or lottery winners.

@grannyannie2948

5 ай бұрын

I think it's the victim culture we live in. If you can't succeed pretend you are a victim and manipulate that to gain success.

I love & appreciate your voice and work. I think it’s valuable & important to highlight that it’s not just young girls that are negatively affected by porn and social media and beauty standards. It is women as well. It’s females of all ages. It affects us in so many ways. Let’s not sugar coat it or be shy and say it’s just young women & girls. It’s also important we teach our sons and men of the harms of porn, social media and the unrealistic beauty standards that are existent. Let’s all remember as well that good character is more important than beauty ♥️

@alenaadamkova7617

4 күн бұрын

Eliza Mozal inspires me currently... Mediation helps to reprogram the mind and live in the present monet, not let past distate your emotions and feelings, but its a daily work Andrea Laing is great....Thye make summary of other meditatioon teachers. If we live in past ... and think of past, it the pastr exepries become futrure... So if man or woman wants new anmd better life, they need to live in present moment.. and meditation is the tool. Because it allows you to understand yourself more and others, and not projecting "feelings" that dont belong to you.ň

Finally, the episode I've been waiting for.

Love your podcast Louise. This episode I struggled with. Probably because it cut a bit too close to the bone. I agree glamorising medication is bad, too much going inward is bad but...in my experience, mental health is often not taken seriously until it is too late. Ultimately what helped me was a cocktail or connection with community, therapy, medication and self care. For years I was told my anxiety was normal and to *snap out of it and do some yoga*. In reality I was suffering with very serious PTSD, which I was told I was exaggerating. There are so many suicides that continue to occur, how do we determine who is a "real" risk and who is not? Many people who go through with it are told to go for a walk, do yoga, stop thinking about yourself and there is just much more to it than that. Why people turn to social media is because access to support is so horrendous.

Got an advert for Better Help on this video. Thanks, KZread.

Freya is a magnate in all respects-looks, talking style, smile, and profound ideas-so gorgeous and decent

What a coincidental release. Its a popular topic right now

Wow a matchmaking event by perry. How stressful for struggling men. Well good luck

44:12 i remember that episode perry. And having seen the bollywood movie about women hockey, chak de india, i can agree.

Loved this podcast. I think with regards to Kim K still being very popular but also dressed provocatively it maybe that’s because she tends to stay in that particular box so to speak. When she mentioned studying law (I think it was) I remember people mocking that. So as long as she just stays the sex symbol she’s left alone. Just a theory.

@Ivftinianvs

5 ай бұрын

I thought it was cool that she was planning to study law. Probably most people should do that, at least a little, even if they don’t end up being lawyers, just to be able to understand how the country works.

I find "betterhelp" ads so unhelpful and disingenuous. Like trying to repair a bullet wound with a bandaid.

Wow freya is india and so am i lol. What a nordic name and the looks to go with it

💕

Therapy is helpful for when the person actually is ready for help not a crutch. Therapy isn't easy when you really dig in...so most ppl in this comfort addicted society won't do it. It's sad to see bad therapist continuing the unawareness.

The girl who wanted to tailor-make her own therapist - she wanted an older woman like an aunt.

Interview Mary Eberstadt

People until this generation may not have the habit of staring long & critically at faces but surely this habit of the mind & eye will not just switch off away from the screen & mirror; & with so much self posting by girls, harshly critquing the faces of others is hardly going to require meat space proximity. Healthy sentiments & good advice to discourage it though.

Why does this online therapy culture sound like onlyfans.....

I they are right in may ways, but they are quite simplistic when it comes to depression and anxiety. Some are more prone to both depression and anxiety than others. I come from a family where most have suffered from really bad depression. Aunts and uncles, grandparents, siblings, nieces and nephews, I and my children. On top of that we have gone through many traumatic experiences with too little time in between. And some are also more prone to being paralysed by feelings of guilt than others (which I can see on one on my daughters, for instance). It is not always solved by bird watching or speaking to family and friends. When it comes to the beauty industry, it comes from United Plastics of America. American film and tv has really never (with the exception of Meryls Streep and Dustin Hoffman) been about acting. People are mostly typecast and have about a handful of facial expressions (watch e.g. The Good Wife and all the detective shows). I amuse myself by watching American tv-series and deciding, on the basis of how people look, before they have said "about", whether its USAmerican or Canadian. I am quite good at it. Britons ought to have seen this very clearly. In a programme celebrating Fawlty Towers (must have been 35 years, but that is an odd anniversary to celebrate...). Prunella Scales - who in FT was not the young beauty that Connie Booth was - has aged naturally and beautifully (which one can also see in the series about canals that she did with her husband). Connie Booth, on the other hand, had become USAmerican again and could hardly move a muscle in her face for all the things that had been done to it.

My name was originally Julian Italy, but they changed it on Ellis Island...(i.e. Freya India).

@blackelton7127

3 ай бұрын

At least they didn’t change it to Leotardo

Look it's also worth mentioning, anyone who doesn't think Narcissistic Personality is a real thing, for example, has never lived or interacted with narcissists. It's definitely useful for us to pathologize certain symptom clusters, and administer talk therapy treatments like CBT, DBT, which essentially involve mirroring, and parenting dysfunctional adults. If no one else is available in someone's life to fill this role, (typical for these kinds of selfish ppl,) a therapist can sometimes effectively fill the role, sure it requires a good therapist, and either insurance or $. But nevertheless, I'll also echo the spirit of this episode and other comments: over-pathologization is a problem, many therapists are bad at their jobs, psychopharmacology is largely a sham, industrial complex has heavily seeped in, the field has become wokeified in recent years like many fields, and psychology remains a young and incomplete science to begin with.

Hi, thanks for the episode. Just curious, does your camera have a filter on Louise, which may enhance ones physical appearance ?

@aoifedarmody5030

5 ай бұрын

Appearance not bearing weight on the gravity of the discourse etc etc I do detect an influence from Chris Williamson's podcast style (dark, soft lighting, close-up) which detracts from Louise's natural beauty. But who cares etc etc

@Marjibarji

5 ай бұрын

@@aoifedarmody5030 I appreciate your sycophancy, but don't you think it's rather hypocritical? Especially as folk make a few bob from stating women are being damaged by their obsession over vanity, and yet...

@aoifedarmody5030

5 ай бұрын

Should women hide their beauty?

@Marjibarji

5 ай бұрын

@@aoifedarmody5030 I think you're going off on a tangent lovely. Women should embrace and display their natural beauty, using a filter is hiding it. I'm also drawing to a conclusion you agree with Louise extensively discussing the pressure of the beauty industry and it's detriment on women and young girls, yet herself using filters.

@aoifedarmody5030

5 ай бұрын

I hear what you're saying but where do you draw the line in policing artifice. A filter is enhancing. So is make up and flattering clothes

For young women, i think negative body image comes from two main places, schools and media I think the beauty standards and the likes are developed from the school early on, specifically schools that are mixed(boys and girls together), when boys start giving attention to specific girls who look a certain way(the beauty standard), other girls who do a lot of social comparison fall prey to negative self image and body dissatisfaction. The media is an obvious one, through the influencers sexualizing themselves That is one of the reasons i think schools should be separated by gender, and any sorts of images in social media that can have an influence of increasing negative body image in young women shouldn't be allowed.

@virginiacharlotte7007

5 ай бұрын

The amount of pressure girls put upon each other , even in single sex schools is still a factor. My daughter goes to an all girls school ( not a high end one , by any means) and the pressure to look and dress a certain way, even with a designated school uniform, was huge, especially between the rocky ages of 13-16 years. Overall, I still think single sex schools are still of benefit on this front.

@MA-gu2up

5 ай бұрын

@@virginiacharlotte7007 Yeah, I'm sure there is some effect even there, but those girls bring about those things from social media and them seeing their mothers or relatives. So for better results, the media should be controlled well, and the way parents act around their daughters should be adjusted so that body image issues don't arise.

@grannyannie2948

5 ай бұрын

I felt in adolescence that a girl's only school literally saved my life. Though that was before social media. However in my experience in Australia the children of the millenials are not allowed on social media and parents don't allow their kids access to computers etc in private spaces like bedrooms. Their parents learnt the hard way how soul destroying this can be. The internet is blamed for the real reason kids are so fragile and that is daycare. Placing an infant under the age of three in daycare causes permanent emotional damage. But it's easier for mothers and feminists to blame social media.

@grannyannie2948

5 ай бұрын

PS And reputable schools ban smart phones.

@MA-gu2up

5 ай бұрын

@@grannyannie2948 Yeah, I think controlling for confounding factors, children being home with their mom when they are younger than 3 is important.

Eating a more plant-based and whole foods diet has also been shown to improve mood.

@grannyannie2948

5 ай бұрын

So has the carnivore diet.

@RationalNon-conformist

5 ай бұрын

You need animal fats.

@watermelonkang

5 ай бұрын

Lol, this talk has literally nothing to do with animals, and yet here are the vegans with their lecturing. Give it a rest, love

@45:00 I love how Louise and lovely Freya are going on about how 'other' women (or girls) talk about each other - as though they're above it all and are just giving an example - then Louise immediately begins to critique/ridicule how K.Kardashian flaunts her nipples, etc. 😂 Why is listening to a couple of beautiful English women Yammer on about this sort of stuff such good T.V? 🤔

@ameliahamilton8637

Ай бұрын

Well, you're taking her out of context. She was talking about a product that kim created that sexualized women overtly, and was also pointing out that women still flock to her even tho she displays over the top sexuality in a competitive world. Which is not judgemental, or a negative viewpoint, simply an obvious observation. She never trashed talked Kim for inventing the bra, and she also said it was actually a good idea.

@MonkeyBuRps

Ай бұрын

Good point, however the transition that Louise used was going from women s*** shaming other women, to her just changing the word 'sl*t' to Kim dressing 'sexy' and if you listen to her she basically caught herself because she almost said the first one to describe Kim, where Louise nearly portrayed 'sexy' and 'sl*ty' as being interchangeable. 😌

@ameliahamilton8637

Ай бұрын

@@MonkeyBuRps I disagree.

ok completely in love with Freya now damnit how she such an angel

@Ridersonthestorm8899

15 күн бұрын

Freya reminds me of a young Helen Mirren.

18:52 Data mining.

In the future, can you index these videos so we can skip ahead to when you blame the feminists and transgenders?

Our weak modern lifestyle plays into this

@grannyannie2948

5 ай бұрын

Too many babies and toddlers raised in daycare actually.

@waynemcauliffe-fv5yf

5 ай бұрын

Glad i didn`t go to one. School was enough@@grannyannie2948

This was an interesting conversation, but I can't help noticing that when women talk about "impossible beauty standards", it's often a message that comes from absurdly beautiful women like Freya India. One has to wonder why someone with a preternaturally pretty face is so concerned about crusading on behalf of her less aesthetically fortunate sistren. Is this a sort of survivor's guilt? Does she feel remorseful that she won the genetic lottery and acquired that perfect smile? Perhaps she would point out that she's decrying the artificiality of digitally-created beauty icons, not natural ones. Still, regardless of the genesis of the image that is elevated as a beauty standard, such standards have always existed across every generation. This is nothing new. The modes of transmission and dissemination may have changed, but the concept is ancient. I understand her point, but i think if one takes the long view, one has to agree that the more things change, the more they stay the same. There have always been impossible beauty standards because the pursuit of beauty is always aspirational. Thus will it always be. Only a tiny fraction of women get to be exceptionally beautiful, just as only a tiny fraction of men get to be high-value men. Such is life. There have been many attempts over the decades to employ more "relatable" models in advertisements. We've lately seen the failure of such a movement yet again (although apparently not every advertiser has gotten the memo, as some of these images persist even at this late date). These movements for so-called body positivity always fail, and will always fail, because men and women intuitively understand what beauty and desirability and attractiveness really mean. Unfortunately part of what they mean is that most of us don't get to be exceptional, which is a harsh fact of life we all need to learn to live with comfortably. Real self-esteem isn't made by trying to deconstruct the concept of beauty standards, which will never happen. It's made by learning to enjoy life while fully acknowledging you don't dwell in the right tail of the distribution of human aesthetics. All this frought conversation and perseverating that gets repeated generation after generation is tiresome. Can't we just accept reality and learn to live the best life we can anyway? Almost as soon as the age of mass media began, people began complaining about these themes. How long ago did Naomi Wolf begin her lifelong diatribe against the innate process of human mate selection as expressed in popular culture? Photos of beauty icons were airbrushed long before the digital age, and photoshopped long before the advent of social media filters and AI. Get over it and get on with life, Louise and Freya. You both turned out to be beautiful. Just acknowledge it, express a little gratitude to your parents and the cosmos, and stop fretting about the unlucky lot of your lessers. It comes off as selfish; unsatisfied with being more beautiful than 99.99% of women, you must also appropriate for yourselves the banner of moral crusaders. It's largely performative since you've never had to struggle with feeling ugly. Let it go and get on with life!

@Jules-Is-a-Guy

5 ай бұрын

You're questioning their lived experience, they identify as ugly girls, everyone has their own truth.

@ameliahamilton8637

Ай бұрын

You clearly don't have a teenage daughter, if this is really what you think this conversation is about. Just because they're beautiful doesn't mean they aren't allowed to talk about this very important subject. in fact, their beauty helped give them a well watched platform to bring such issues forward. what they are talking about is truly happening. I have 2 teenage daughters and have seen the ill effects they are discussing in big and obvious ways. my daughters are both stunning, and yes, this discussion is still completely relevant. I found this talk very helpful, so thanks ladies. Its like saying a skinny person can't talk about their weight, or don't also shame themself. Every one has insecurities, even stunning people, and the internet preys on insecurities to capitalize. This is a long known fact. They aren't attacking people for using filters. They are pointing at the unhealthy system and connecting it to the mental health epidemic. In the same way I don't blame a child who thinks they are in the wrong body, but I get angry at the ideology they are being steeped in that causes them to not accept their one and only body.

There are some who are viewing "disorders" in the light of ecology. Simon Baron-Cohen is perhaps the most well known scientist/psychologist who is looking at autism from an ecological and evolutionary perspective. but there are others. Ask an ecologist about "behaviour" issues in animals. They test for metals, infections, food switches, stressors, etc. They would never assume an elk can't eat because it's mentally ill. A 12 year old who can't eat should be looked at in the same way, but almost zero tests will be performed in terms of nutrition, environment, toxins, metals, or anything afforded to the elk. For instance, Type II Functional Responses perfectly describe bulimia. Failure to adapt to a food change can result in starving to death despite other food sources.....exactly like "anorexia" in animals. Cynthia Bulik seems to be trying to shift the Eating Disorder dialog in the US after treating ED's in Sweden where it was quite different. The Industrial Revolution changed the environment too quickly for humans to evolve and women are especially hard hit because of the plastics, the changing roles, and the pressure put on them to accept alternative narrative for their confusion. Pure and simple ecological/evolutionary responses yet Big Pharma has taken over the mental health discussion which is catastrophic.

@Jules-Is-a-Guy

5 ай бұрын

100%

@TheLudmilita

5 ай бұрын

FYI, autism is not a mental illness. It has been scientifically proven that autism has to do with how our brains are structured and how it works. The study on toxins, metals and the many things you numbered to look for the origin of autism has been done, but with no absolute result. Even though there’s no study that says autism is genetic, every autistic person has an autistic family member. There’s a genetic study that can be done to know if you’re autistic and you can also know you’re autistic if you get an MRI of your brain. Just because our brains develops at a different speed or doesn’t develop some functions, doesn’t mean we’re ill, it’s just that our CPU works differently. A 12 year old who can’t eat specific foods or can’t eat almost anything can be explained physically with an occupational therapist help and it can also be improved with this professional. But I do agree on Simon Baren-Cohen’s view, sometimes all that is needed is to change the perspective.

The “Issue” is never the issue. The “Issue” is always the Revolution. Men behaving badly is toxic, woman behaving like toxic men, juxtapose with being a toxic woman, is empowering! It’s completely bonkers. Again: The “Issue” is never the issue. The “Issue” is always the Revolution. I googled Kim K, because I was unfamiliar with her look, and she looks great from the waist up, otherwise she looks ridiculous with whatever’s going on down there>

It's useful that we're breeding so many sociopaths, this will be advantageous in the many forthcoming global/regional conflicts...(joke).

@grannyannie2948

5 ай бұрын

It's placing infants in daycare that creates them.

@justahumanbeing.709

5 ай бұрын

more fodder for the soylent green factory!!

333rd like ...nice

23:52 Sounds very feminist. Attempting to avoid all accountability for bad actions. Sounds like normal feminist justification of dumb ideas.

@awsambdaman

5 ай бұрын

Oddly enough I heard the exact opposite. This is women saying “hey maybe the message that everything women do is okay is actually not good for us” and as a man I am ecstatic to hear that. Whatever gets us past this phase in our culture, I’m good with it. Also think about it like this: if the culture right now is framed as men vs women, redpill vs feminist, which side would you truly be on? I don’t think redpill is all that true, but if your view is harsh truth vs comforting lie, would you not want the harsh truth? I would. So why do redpill men envy the treatment women get? How they receive sympathy for everything they do, and how everything they do is perceived as okay? I think about this sometimes and I think even if I’m treated horribly as a man, if I’m blamed for everything, at least I’m seeing reality for what I think it is. Because in the end, everyone will bend to reality and play by its rules or they will be crushed by reality. No one gets to live in delusion forever and be happy.

@SA-vz7qi

5 ай бұрын

@ awsambdaman Perhaps listen better. Given this segment was criticising a feminist position, and one of the questions was "is it really feminist." Which was what I was addressing, the no true Scotsman defence of feminism is weak. It is odd you took the criticism of feminist ideologies as referring to the position of every woman. Freya as far as I know doesn't describe herself as a feminist and has been introduced as a "critic of contemporary feminism." Louise still takes the lable, but is often found accepting that many of the positions taken in general make no sense. Perhaps learn the feminism ≠ all women.

@SA-vz7qi

5 ай бұрын

@ awsambdaman Additionally, I don't know how you are using the term "red pill." If you are using g it to refer to the current incarnation of "Pick-Up Artists" then I would not "pick a side" between them and feminism, both are pro sexual revolution and contribute to many peoples unhappiness. As for whether PUAs envy women, I am not sure who you have in mind. What I have seen of them they rather like claiming to know how to exploit the current social climate for their own gratification. What I have seen of their message seems to be "women get it easier to start with, but you can learn to exploit that." I'm not sure if that is envy, perhaps some other "deadly sins" bit not that one.

@alasshewasthehighwaywoman8886

5 ай бұрын

boys, boys....don't fight - you can *both* make me a sandwich

@grannyannie2948

5 ай бұрын

Ofcourse it's within the correct views of feminists. They are blaming social media etc for the fragility of girls and teens, and I would add, boys. The real problem is that placing infants under the age of three in daycare leaves them with permanent emotional developmental damage. But feminists say a mother's career is more important and that being abandoned ten to twelve hours a day, to multiple carers is healthy for babies. We know this is not true. That's why we stopped putting infants in orphanages in the 1890s where I grew up. But I have even heard Louise say her toddler son goes to "nursery" some days so she can continue her "work" About time families were told the truth.

Isn’t it interesting when the men withhold their food it’s called “fasting” and a measure of self-control and a spiritual driver? But when women do it we have an eating disorder, who need meds and a psych evaluation. How odd.

@awsambdaman

5 ай бұрын

Women can fast and men can have eating disorders. I am a man who struggled with anorexia when I was a teen. It’s all about the relationship you have with food. Healthy relationship = fasting, unhealthy relationship = eating disorder

@SA-vz7qi

5 ай бұрын

Seriously life is not a grand conspiracy. Men and women have eating disorders. Men and women fast. I can only assume you have no real experience with people in your life who suffered eating disorders.

@GraceHarwood88

5 ай бұрын

@@awsambdaman Apologies. I meant the men on self-improvement type podcasts influencing other men into the practice of intentionally holding back food. The behaviour of withholding food, suppressing the hunger cues, etc operates in both of those practices. One’s positive, one’s negative. That’s my main point.

@MA-gu2up

5 ай бұрын

​@@GraceHarwood88 Eating disorder is defined as a mental health condition where you use the control of food to cope with feelings and other situations. When people fast, they typically do it as something to stop their sedentary lifestyle or as a religious worship, both of which have positive effects on mental health. But eating disorders manifest for different reasons, and they are dangerous and excessive on the body

@grannyannie2948

5 ай бұрын

I have known boys with eating disorders.

This is inane

Talking about how fake cosmetic procedures look in real life from two women with their faces heavily painted is a bit weird.

How can a woman possibly be depressed? Boo hoo.

It’s ironic how Louise Perry talks about the look Kim Kardashian cultivates when she herself wears so much bright red lipstick. 💄