cool video! as a basler drummer it was really interesting to see a foreign view on our style of drumming. the "swing" you mentioned is especially pronounced in older fromations. it seems that in more recent times drummers play closer too the actual note values. but every group (clique) has their own style, so some have defenetly more "swing" than others :)

@RyanAlexanderBloom

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. Glad to see that you haven’t torn me apart completely. I have oversimplified here, for sure. I’ve been told by other Swiss drummers that competitions often dictate a straight interpretation of the notes, while those who are not competing have more variation in the swing. My interpretation is based on Claus Hessler’s teaching. I’m not sure who exactly he studied with but it’s obviously just one way to do it. I like the “swing” because it is unique to Basel. Even though not everyone does it, there’s nothing quite like it in any other country or region.

man, I don’t even drum and I LOVE your channel! Wonderful delivery, love your depth, clarity and integrity, very knowledgable, very down to earth…very intelligent yet easy to follow. Thank you for your work!

Dude! This is awesome! I was literally typing about double drags and then you explained it!

Interseting stuff here, for an American drummer living in Switzerland learning the Swiss tambour style. Two publications you may find interesting on the topic are "Wirbel" (German) or "Roulement" (French) published be the Swiss Association of Tambours and Fifes. It's very much in the military style you talk about, but also has elements of the Basler style. It has been translated into English and is called "The Swiss Drummer". I have another book titled "Zündstoff" with a red cover, that I was given by a Swiss tambourist, can't seem to find any reference to it online. It is also military style for the most part, but with more of the Basler "swing" style of playing included. Two things that you don't mention that I've found interesting and somewhat challenging are the Swiss right hand grip and the Ra de 5, Ra de 7, Ra de 9, etc. that start with flams on the first stroke of the roll. After almost 50 years of playing rudimental style using the "typical" American right hand grip, it was a challenge to switch to the traditional Swiss right hand grip for the tambour. With this grip, the thumb and index finger are not used as a fulcrum, and you grip the stick with the thumb under the first three fingers and rotate the entire wrist as with the left hand. The Swiss left hand grip is basically the same as for us Americans. The Ras where the first stroke of the roll is a flam was also a new thing for me, and I found it challenging to master. However, these seem to be quite common in Swiss rudimental drumming, and are present in most - if not all but the very basic - of the solo compositions I've seen and used with my students. As far as I've been able to discern, this is a technique unique to Swiss rudimental style. Anyway, thanks for the video!

@RyanAlexanderBloom

2 ай бұрын

I don’t believe I have either of those publications. Nor can I find reference to either. If you know where I can get one or both, let me know. Very interesting. Basel competitions are actually not swung anymore, from what I’ve been told. And the military has pulled in a few Basel rudiments. The styles are sort of getting closer together. As far as the right hand, it’s not unique to Swiss drumming. It’s pretty common in ancient continental European drumming systems. Also it’s quite similar to the grip described in Moeller. So, we Americans were doing something like that but we largely abandoned it sometime between the civil war and the 1920s. I’m sure we got it from the British. But if you look at artistic depictions of drummers from most anywhere in Europe before the modern era, they were all using that fist type of grip. And many places still do for their traditional rudimental drumming. It’s definitely different than how Americans play drums now, but I don’t find it as challenging as it would appear to be. Technique in drumming is important at some level but then again… not at another. There are so many variations in grip and people learn to play at a high level with a whole bunch of them. The flammed rolls are fun. They’re pretty common in hybrid corps style drumming but not as common as in Switzerland. They also appear in France, Italy, and Prussia/Germany to name a few.

Thank you for this informative video. I am basel drummer and heard from you stuff i did not know yet.

7er Endstreich are not played in a quintuplet style you just have to make sure that the five stroke role is compressed enough and then it doesn't sound like a quintuplet and that's actually the correct way to play it

@RyanAlexanderBloom

Жыл бұрын

I think it depends on who you ask. I’ve heard it played as quintuplets and compressed straight. I’m definitely making a generalization here that may not reflect the way everyone plays it.

Great knowledge. Thanks

A huge thank you just for creating that translation. Brings a lot of new information into whatever drumming you do (which should be all types😉)

@RyanAlexanderBloom

Жыл бұрын

I try to do all types. I’m up to like 25 types of rudimental drumming at this point… not that I’m very good at any of them.

@noahlaizer7434

Жыл бұрын

@@RyanAlexanderBloom Nice man keep at it and keep practicing. I'm 20, been playing on and off for about 10 years. Mostly listened to classic rock and country, but when I started listening to more music, classical, heavier rock, metal, country, funk, rap (lotta 80s and 90s stuff) you really start to hear the same rudiments and same sound just with a different feel to it. Not being subjected to just one type of music, or in this case rudiments, really helps you learn a lot more than youd think. Even with this if you like more snare and Marching, there's so much out there, even the stuff that's the same but it's played a bit differently or just a tad delayed. Makes a huge difference, and expands your variety. Which is always helpful with anything really.

a very good explanation. the Dutch drum march style is also inspired by this . with the French influence on this, just like in Switzerland.

@MrYoTambor

2 жыл бұрын

I have your great book . But its same style as Dutch marine corps plays now. A lot of swiss soldiers were in service of the Dutch prince in the middle ages in the netherlands.

Do you know where i can find the Claus Hessler's articles? I've looked everywhere and cant find them. I also cant find Dr. Fitz Berger book either. Do you have a link for both of those thank you for everything you do!

@RyanAlexanderBloom

2 жыл бұрын

The articles are in Modern Drummer magazine (and also I think they’ve run in other magazines in like Australia or somewhere else). You know, now that I look around, I think I bought the German version of that Berger book because I couldn’t find an English one. Oops. Maybe the English isn’t that easy to come by. It’s not in the public domain yet, so there’s nothing I could do about that either. Here’s the first Hessler article. I think there are 4 total. Even he interchanges “Swiss” and “Basel” and I straight up asked him one time about the difference and he gave me a very quick and courteous reply that showed he didn’t seem to know… so even experts in one style are not really aware of (or at least haven’t learned) the other, obviously. www.moderndrummer.com/2016/08/video-lesson-swiss-rudiments-part-1-with-clauss-hessler/

@RyanAlexanderBloom

2 жыл бұрын

You might also check out this pdfcoffee.com/details-of-the-swiss-basle-style-of-drumming-allen-benson-3-pdf-free.html disclaimer: I’m not sure this is the whole book or that this link is legit. I didn’t look that closely. This guy is not Swiss or even European and his notation is NOT very accurate. The triplets and dotted notes are all ¡Approximate! Not to be played exactly. But it’s something. If you take it all with some skepticism there is something to be learned.

@bradensharp7065

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! I really really appreciate you taking the time to find those articles. I have learned so much from your videos, they are awesome!! I will definitely check out the second link and buy your book on this.

@drumstudiomonchengladbach8131

2 жыл бұрын

Ever heard the term "Google"? just use it and you'll find everything you want to know.

i think its worth to note that in modern basel drumming this quintuplet style or "swing" as you call it is not as prominent anymore the notes are more and more played like their actual value

@RyanAlexanderBloom

Жыл бұрын

I’ve been told that the level of swing varies a lot between different cliques and certainly over time in the same ones. I’m not the foremost expert, but mentioning the swing is a good way to differentiate for those who know absolutely nothing.

It's always a great pleasure listening to some self-called American authorities. If you had done your homework you'd learned that ALL rudiments can be traced back to the Swiss mercenaries and are even older than the USA!!!

@RyanAlexanderBloom

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you stopped by to comment. Not all rudiments can be traced to Switzerland. Of the usual PAS 40 here in America, at least 13 of the rudiments are American. Some are British, a couple are French, and just a few are Swiss. I am aware of around 50 Swiss rudiments that are actually used in Switzerland. I have studied Basel drumming with Claus Heßler. I feel like I have done quite a bit of homework on this, actually. Here are the Swiss military sources I have used to form my conclusions about Swiss drumming, please let me know if you think I have missed an important one: “Leitfaden für den Fähnrich.” Schweizerischer Tambouren- und Pfeiferverband, 2006. Ordonnanz für Tambouren der Helvetischen Truppen. Reglement des Ausbildungsehefs betreffend Tambour-Ordonnanz. Schweizerische Armee, 1964. Reglement, betreffend den Unterricht der Tamburen von der Bernerischen Infanterie. Bern: Hochobrigfeitlichen Buchdruckern. Stocker, Peter. Verzeichnis der Ordonnantz Streichen. “STPV Ausbildungskonzept Der Tambour als Instrumentalist, Leiter und Juror.” Schweizerischer Tambouren- und Pfeiferverband, 2015. Tambour=Ordonnanz für die Eidgenössischen Truppen. Zürich. Tambour=Ordonnanz für die Eidgenössischen Truppen. Zürich: Fußli und Compagnie, 1829. Tambour-Ordonnanz für die Schweizerische Armee 1917. Schweizrischen Militärdepartement, 1917. Tambour-Ordonnanz für die Schweizerische Infanterie. Berne: Imprimerie K-J. Wyss, 1889. Traditionelle Eidgenössische Trommel- und Pfeifermärsche und Signale. Bretzwil: Amos, 2009. Verzeichnis Derjenigen Ordonnanz-Streichen. c. 1729.

@RyanAlexanderBloom

2 жыл бұрын

Here are the sources I used to learn about Basel drumming, in addition to my actual functional studies with Claus: Benson, Allen C. Details of the Swiss Basle Style of Drumming. Benson Publications, 1980. Berger, Fritz. Das Basler Trommeln. Zürich: Hug Muskiverlag, 1956. Berger, F. R. Instructor for Basle-Drumming. Basle Drum-Editions, 1964. Berger, F. R. Trommelmärsche vol. 1-3. Basel: Trommelverlag, 1959. Galm, John K. “A Study of the Rudiments Used in Foreign Military Drumming Styles.” Percussionist. Vol. 2, Nos. 1 & 2, February 1965. Heßler, Claus. “Swiss Rudiments Part 1: Basel Drumming Basics.” Modern Drummer. October 2016. Heßler, Claus. “Swiss Rudiments - Basel Drumming Part 2.” Modern Drummer. November 2016. Heßler, Claus. “Swiss Rudiments - Basel Drumming, Part 3.” Modern Drummer. January 2017. Heßler, Claus. “Swiss Rudiments - Basel Drumming, Part 4.” Modern Drummer. February 2017. Heßler, Claus. “Rudimental Codex Präsentation.” Percussion Creativ, 2018. Heßler, Claus. “Swiss Rudimental Drumming.” Course Materials Packet. Open-Minded Drumming, 2020. Lehrgang: Basler Trommelmärsche. Basel: Basler Mittwochs-Gesellschaft, 1907. Rogger, Daniel. “Baslertrommel-Rudiments." Rosauro, Ney. "da Basiléa’ - Das Basler Trommeln.” 1990. “Rudimental Codex.” Percussion Creativ, 2018. again, please let me know if you have a suggestion for something I should see.