I've mixed and master songs on Shure 240A for years and you can absolutely do it - it just takes a lot of adjusting. The biggest challenge is getting the depth right when mixing on headphones so my biggest suggestion is to listen as low in volume as possible when placing things in your mix. Also a lot of headphones have dips on higher frequencies so your ears don't get tired so pay attention to that when mixing. What might not sound bright to you might be very bright to people consuming on smartphones and earbuds

@LokeyeMC

Жыл бұрын

I've been mixing on DT1990s for the first time in the past month and have been loving it. I'm curious about your comment about "depth" being a place to pay attention when using headphones and trying to get it right. I understand depth to mean cutting ultra-high freqs (15k-20k) so that sounds layer appropriately and fall behind each other at the right distances, until you arrive at your quietest layer in the dynamic range, is that right? If so, I wonder how depth is more of a challenge in headphones. Is it because some headphones (like mine haha) have a slight brightness to them that obscures the micro-positions in adding depth?

@svengali5862

Жыл бұрын

@@LokeyeMC Your headphones are really good with solid flat low end , but like mine have a huge bump at 10k - this is more so that the 4-5k doesn't tire out your ears easily and you can keep the perceived clarity while mixing. You are right because the micro-positions the 0.1 db can play a huge difference when it comes to spacing and placing things in the mix and when you mix on headphones and a little louder, things can be perceived as much closer than it should be. This is the reason why so many people have their kicks sticking out of the mix because you may want more thump - but it's actually your 10k bump that is making the transient stick out more thus clouding your judgement. Same is for example hi hatz - you may feel you've placed them nicely in the mix and you hear the crisp of them - but when you play it back on monitors that have a more flat high end , the hats might sound much more more muddy or just too crispy , depending on the sample of the hats of course. The mid range is the hardest thing to get right on headphones IMO as everything can sound pretty muddy if you listen loudly. It's all about separation in the mix and the biggest advantage monitors have over headphones is just that micro placement that can make or break a mix. Cheers brother

@nuellemusique

Жыл бұрын

Why i still use the NS10 hack and the RPS car test plugin as a reference.

@svengali5862

Жыл бұрын

@@nuellemusique The NS10's literally have no low end and that's why the music in the 80's sounded very hollow and reverby. I've referenced tracks on them simply because I know how they sound but I wouldn't recommend it to the beginners

@LokeyeMC

Жыл бұрын

@@svengali5862 I'm so glad I asked. I've been trying to figure out why my kicks lack the same level of clarity when listening through my Samsung Galaxy Buds Pro 2 ($250 headphones). If this is the reason I'm going to laugh. Good timing!

I’m a professional musician, most of my career has been as a touring and recording instrumentalist, but the last few years have been doing more and more work producing and mixing. I have good monitors, a moderately treated space, and 2 pairs of headphones I also use to mix. An extremely flat pair of Shure’s I spend the most time in. But I go back and forth depending on what I’m looking for. Studio monitors are good all around reference, the Shures are great for stereo image, depth and midrange detail. Then I have a pair of Beyer’s that are great for transient detail and low end. The main thing is that I listen to finished professional tracks on all those playback devices frequently so that I KNOW them very well.

I always turned my nose up and sneered at the Idea of mixing with headphones but after a bit of experimentation I find that my DT 990 PRO's with Sound ID works really well giving me good professional results

I find adding a crossfeed helps bring the speaker feel into headphone a bit better. Meier Crossfeed or Airwindows Cans are really clean and just take the straight into your ears feeling away.

Also test a merged mono, not the mid, but the combined stereo, so you can hear in the headphones if the left and right are conflicting cause with the speakers they blend in the same space.

Thanks for this streaky

I've gotten acceptable and exceptional mixes using headphones. so yes it's possible guys. 2 things important to take from this video 1)take breaks and reset your ears. 2) use other headphones to check your mix ( EVEN CHEAP HEADPHONES AND EARBUDS) And i forgot a reference track can most certainly save the day and help. learn your room if you use speakers and have no treatment. play as many tracks commercially released in that untreated room. and you'll understand what you need to do. you're not copying their mixes you're just understanding how things should sound. AND HAVE CONFIDENCE IN YOURSELF IF IT SOUND GOOD AND FEELS GOOD THEN IT IS GOOD. OVERTHINKING WILL CAUSE YOU TO DO A LITTLE TOO MUCH AND THEN YOU WILL DEFIINETLY DESTROY YOUR OWN TRACK LESS IS MORE.

@thomaslthomas1506

Жыл бұрын

I concur earbuds and a 💩💩💩 Bluetooth speaker(mono) are part of my reference collection.😎

@nmcdre5603

Жыл бұрын

@@thomaslthomas1506 LOL if sound good there then it's most definitely gone sound good on your quality speakers bro you ain't wrong

@klaramorgan1577

4 ай бұрын

G comment 🙌

I combine hp and monitors since I have a low budget setting. Switching back and forth helps to achieve decent results. I found the Waves Abbey Road 3 (studio monitors emulation) plugin very helpful to control the lows. Also, always listen to reference tracks.

Streaky, could you also make a video about which dacs and amplifiers would be good for these headphones and for mixing-mastering in headphones in general?

Great info!

Streaky is awesome so much good tips for free definitely worth of hearing 👌

Totally agree with this. An amp with cross feed technology really helps, to create more of a stereo image similar to speakers, but isn't totally necessary (I have the Phonitor 2 for example). I remember I used to struggle with my mixes and was always against mixing with headphones. and then I found out a buddy of mine (who's mixes were far better than mine) was only using 160.00 Audio Technica's. It's really all about the mixer, not the gear!

@Streaky_com

Жыл бұрын

That Phonitor amp is excellent

@mixingmadesimple

Жыл бұрын

@@Streaky_com Yeah I love it!

@bbfoto7248

Жыл бұрын

@Streaky Agreed. For a smaller option check out the *Little Labs Monotor* For any of the Planar Magnetic headphones, such as the Audeze LCD-series, people will want to use a good, powerful headphone amp.

I've found, for me, the headphones that give me the most accurate representation of the mix and are super flat are the Akg K701 open back. And .. they're only around 125 quid. Probably they aren't for everyone and do take some getting used to due to the flatness but are super light and comfortable and translate really well to speakers or other sources. Having said that...def wouldn't mind a pair of the Audeze!

@Doubrelle

9 ай бұрын

spot on i use the same headphones 701's are great value and top quality

one of the "flattest" and best headphones for mixing is sennheiser 650 and also 600. both are legends and in many pro studios present.

I love the audeze LCD X 2021 revision. By far the best cans I ever heard. And much better then budget studios.

Perfect, man!

Please do a more detailed video on the -8 vs -14 LUFS question for streaming platforms. Also how to do so without making it sound too squashed including for spoken word/voice/podcasting. There is a LOT of conflicting information on this. Very frustrating. Thank you!

The biggest gripe with headphones is your stereo image not translating well to speakers because with speakers your left ears also receives audio from the right speaker and vice versa. With headphones left and right are fully separated. But since more people are listening to headphones that seems less of an issue. WIth headphones you can also use room acoustics simulation software like Realphones to get a better reference. Flat frequency respone is also helping decisions but I'd say using quality reference tracks is more important.

@bbfoto7248

Жыл бұрын

@Xstatic In this video, STREAKY suggested *Goodhertz CanOpener Studio* which has controls to add in "Crossfeed", which simulates what you hear when listening to stereo speakers. There are also dedicated headphone amplifiers that have this adjustable "Crossfeed" feature, such as the SPL Phonitor II, and I would also highly recommend the *Little Labs Monotor* headphone amplifier. For any of the Planar Magnetic headphones that STREAKY suggested, such as the AUDEZE LCD-series, a standard headphone output might not have enough voltage and current to drive them properly (especially for the low end), so you'll probably want a standalone headphone amplifier or a DAC/HP amp combo. Fortunately, these newer MM-500, along with the flagship Audeze LCD-5, are very efficient and have a lowish impedance that is easier to drive than previous models.

@Windiguana

10 ай бұрын

+1 for canopener & corrective eq

I have the Audeze mm-500 and my mixes have NEVER been better

I've gone from using a Hifiman Sundara to using either a Focal Clear MG or Radiance, I swap between those two, I also occasionally plug in the Sundara to listen to my mixes on them and if things sound good on all 3 pairs then I'm happy. They're not typically headphones people would recommend for mixing, but to me all that matters is whether you use a pair you like, enjoy and know the characteristics of. I could get a HD650 and start mixing with them tomorrow, but it'd probably be iffy since I've never used them before.

The headphones do not have natural headroom, so it needs to be created in order to simulate the behavior of regular speakers. Therefore, it is best to reduce the input signal to -18dB. This way, every sound in the headphone space will not blast from all directions like stereo, but will be directional. A good headphone preamp takes care of this, and if there is an option for a PAD on the interface, I also recommend using it as a natural space limiter.

That's my mentor speaking. I love you so much Steeky. Thank you for making me do so well in mixing.

@yosoybriangonzalez

Жыл бұрын

Mmm,,,😮😮😮😮. CV,v. Ñ..

I've had the absolute pleasure to own the Dt 990 pro's (250) version and my mix has improved in ways I cant describe , unfortunatly I cant get monitors due to my poor acoustics but I managed to gain 500k streams and 90k(peak listeners) with just this pair of amazing set of headphones ! Dont listen to people who tell you it aint possible !

@sirwanmusic

Жыл бұрын

Do you use any audio interface or amps for headphone? Or doesn’t matter?

i love u streaky

Why i still use the NS10 hack and the RPS car test plugin as a reference.

I have Audeze LCD - X with and RME ADI -2 DAC. I alsohave the Sound ID, but I don't feel I need it with this set up. I also have a pair of Sennheiser HD 600that are calibrated with Sound ID. Here I I find that it makes a difference. But I am always using at least 2 reference tracks.

What do you think about meze and abyss for mixing?

I've just order the OLLO Audio S5X's.. thanks for saying about these!!!! I want to get into Dolby Atmos mixing at some point, this will give me a taster before committing to a Atmos Monitoring setup. I was thinking of a iLoud MTM setup of the mini Monitors for Atmos, making it fairly cheap to setup... including the fact they are small and light so easy to hang etc

@---pp7tq

Жыл бұрын

These speakers for Atmos is actually interesting idea!

I'm actualy using a pair of monolith m1070 and i'm quite pleased by the ultra flat and detailed Sonic quality, a bit soft on the low end and Need a ton of volume. The stereo Is realy good and does not stress on the long time but i Always do a second check on some m50x by audio tecnica. Loved the 990 pro by bayerdynamic but the mids where messy and the build qualità was realy poor, so now i use only headphones with interchangable jacks.

I mix 100% on headphones (AKG K240 mkII with Sound ID. For speaker crossover, I tend to check on my Yamaha HS7s in an untreated room, if I can be bothered... 🤣

I mix with headphones most of the time. We run full time but are located in a house with others so running monitors are out a good portion of the day. I then touchup up on my reference monitors. It’s important to have phones you are used to as much as the accuracy. Also we have 3 workstations here our studio. I have same headphones at each. Frequent breaks are important but more important at least to me is volume!

@destinationmusicrecords5934

Жыл бұрын

good accurate cans for mixing in your opinion?

@thomaslthomas1506

Жыл бұрын

@@destinationmusicrecords5934 We us AKG k240's (4 pairs) are they accurate ? NO! however they are Standard kit on most correction software. have replaceable cord(mini xlr).And when combined with a decent set of ref Mon's absolutely fit for purpose. Mind you I do very little high end mixing for customers. I do production, editing, composition, voice over, foley and commercials. So most times if it's mixed here its at least mastered out of house if critical . Hope this helps

Sennheiser HD650’s tuned with Sound ID sound awesome.

I'm having trouble with low end frequencies in general. Anything below 60hz is hard to hear and more of just a feeling, however with flat monitors and headphones it isn't obvious how loud these frequencies are. Only when I go to my car (or play on cheap speakers) do I discover that the low end is completely distorting. I know that there is not a "flat" pair of headphones or monitors that will highlight this problem the way a car speaker would but are there any headphones you would recommend that can show me where the low end is distorting? because I don't get that from my current headphones, the low end always sounds great until I play it on car speakers.

The MM-500 is a game changer for headphone mixing and mastering. Perfectly balanced!

Audeze have two headphones in the MM range, are you demonstrating the MM-500 or MM-100?

I come from a video background where we use the Sony MDR-7506 as standard. How are those for audio editing, in your opinion?

For Mixing: Beyerdynamic DT 880 Pro For Mastering: Beyerdynamic DT 990 Pro

Thanks Streaky I love you.

Hi Great Streaky. Could you kindly recommend 1 or 2 headphones for an upgrade of my Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro 250ohm? The main intention is to mix with headphones in a more truthful way (without spending a fortune). I thank you in advance.

if you haven't a room suited for monitors use headphones. ATHm50x are what i'm using and i'm super happy about them, but you have to get really used and understand them

Hi. great advices! i am worried about hearing loss. How can i know my headphones are too loud? well obviously my ears hurt but is there a way to measure decibels or something to know when my headphones are just too loud

Audeze MM 500s changed my life haha. Got those a few months ago and omg… I cannot recommend them enough to anyone trying to invest in headphones!!

I have a horrible asymmetrical room. Headphones are a must for me. I have sennheiser HD 650, status audio CB-1 and AKG K240

Bonus-Kudos for the BMX in the background

Is Audio technica M50X ok for mixing?

When talking about headphones, what's the difference between binaural and stereo? I thought headphones were always binaural unless using a crossfeed program like canopener.

What you think of Master & Dynamics MH40?

LIKE BMX IN BACKGROUND.. I USE Sennheiser Hd 6XX MASSDROP VERSION ....WORKS PERFECT FOR ME...

Lcd4z and Sienna are a great combo

Hey Streaky, I know everyone's recommending open back headphones for mixing, but what if you're not mixing in a proper acoustic treated room ? In such a case would you recommend a closed back headphone so everything around you is isolated, and you can hear the mix in detail ? I would appreciate your advice :)

Id say get multiple headphones. I mean ofcourse have one pair that are your mains. But also have multiple ones wich give different frequency response. I have a pair of inears that have a great low end response, that is exaggerated! This is great for checking lows, compared to my mains which are flat.

The only detriment I've noticed for beginners is that you have to get used to how things sound on your particular pair because switching between models of same line of headphones has vastly different performance with more variables than speakers. Soundstage, placement of transients, even size of transients and sounds, bass response, mids will vary greatly from pair to pair. So if you can get used to listening and comparing the differences between how things sound on gear you're used to and how it sounds on your pair of headphones you'll be much more able to get a sense of what to recreate and get better output. Also be sure to see if the pair you're getting has a complete frequency response, so you don't have to fret over insane EQ and calibration from the get go and things will sound good anywhere you plug them ;)

what amp you use with your hd800 ?

Do you try neumann ndh 30? They are very popoular now.

Tried pressing the like button but I got no immediate improvement on the quality of my mixes and masterings ;)

@mabian69

Жыл бұрын

FAKE! @Streaky just reporting...

They do also have to sound good to you... if they are dull, you'll lose interest or try to add too much excitement to counter act that... you have to like the sound of them... stereo image can be hard to gauge but simply use things that help to separate the L C R and mono compatibility by a standard, maybe using it when you wouldn't necessarily need it just to be sure and the rest you can do on headphones

@TheSakuraGumiLTD

Жыл бұрын

You simply have to know how things are meant to sound on your headphones

Nice bike :)

Sennheiser HD800 or HD800S?

Slate VSX is the only headphone you'll ever need. Changed my mixes for the better!

@RAYSHIO

Жыл бұрын

Did you ever had Audeze lcd-x or mm?

@Streaky_com

Жыл бұрын

Heard this a lot maybe they will send me some at some point (if anybody is watching 😁)

@paymar77

Жыл бұрын

VSX works for me!

@hallowedsound

Жыл бұрын

Looking at these myself. Only question is… with all the ‘rooms’ to choose between, is it better to stick to one? I can imagine jumping around can be confusing for the brain😀

@---pp7tq

Жыл бұрын

@@hallowedsound only if it works well, it might be good for fast checking your mixes in different environments without switching headphones or rooms.

I'm not really a fan of calibrating headphones with EQ. Tried it on my LCD-X's but it just worsened the overall sound. I think if you listen to enough music you'll eventually learn the flaws of the headphones.

Those Audezee mm are $2800 here in Australia 😳

so I have very flat neutral SONY mixing headphones and when I mix to what sounds good it's typically way way way too much bass when mastered and played elsewhere. Doesn't it make sense to mix with headphones that represent what you'll be listening on or through later? This seems sooo backwards to me. As in, use these headphones, they sound like nothing you'll be playing your music on.

Im using Shure SRH1840

Do you still have the Hedd Audio Heddphones and do you recommend Goodhertz Canopener to control crossfeed?

@EdwinDekker71

Жыл бұрын

Canopener is very transparent imho. Try the demo.

@NoQualmsTheArtist

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a great combination to me! I use can opener with Sennheiser HD 600's works great. I use sonarworks for analysis and EQ myself, I find sonarworks quite phasy.

Focal clear mg pro

🔥🔥

Accoorate

Which amp/interface would you suggest for the Audeze?

@bbfoto7248

Жыл бұрын

@Brain Washer The new Audeze MM-500 are quite efficient at 100dB SPL and also have a lowish 18-ohm impedance, which makes them fairly easy to drive even out of a typical audio interface, laptop, or smartphone headphone jack. Having said that, I would check out the *Little Labs Monotor* which is ultra clean & neutral and includes some other non-standard features that can come in handy for checking your mixes, and definitely has the extra power to properly drive the low end as well as transients/dynamics. To add "Crossfade" (to simulate listening to monitor speakers where both of your ears here some of both the Left & Right channel information), you can use the *Goodhertz CanOpener Studio* that Streaky suggested in this video.

@brainwasher3742

Жыл бұрын

@@bbfoto7248 thanks!

@bbfoto7248

Жыл бұрын

@Brain Washer If you want something portable and inexpensive but EXCELLENT for on the go (or in the studio as well), check out the *Hidzs S9 PRO* USB Dongle DAC/Headphone amp. It will work as a USB audio device and also with iPhone/iPad and Android devices (with the appropriate cable). It has both Single-Ended and Balanced headphone outputs which are both very powerful, especially for its size. It's been tested on an AudioPrecision APX-555 analyzer and is better than the similar but more expensive AudioQuest Dragonfly models...though most people say the Cobalt version and the S9 Pro are very similar/on the same level. There is also the RME ADI-2/-2 FS/PRO that are highly regarded and have an excellent clean/strong headphone output. The original version has AKM AD/DA and the others have the ESS Sabre. Look up the recent Andrew Masters YT channel about Mastering with Headphones. Cheers!

in my opinion music sounds best on high end speakers

Neumann NDH 20. Worth the money.

What’s the bike on the background Streaky?

@norand022

Жыл бұрын

🤣

@therookie3719

Жыл бұрын

Thinking the same thing 🤣

@therookie3719

Жыл бұрын

They look like skyway wheels on there

@Streaky_com

Жыл бұрын

Skyway TA

Recommended headphone amplifiers?

@---pp7tq

Жыл бұрын

Phonitor 2 (with it's crossfeed) Little Labs Monotor Amplifier Good Hertz Can Opener Hidzs S Pro / Cobalt (even better than once famous Dragon Fly) RME ADI 2/-2-FS/Pro (original version has AKM-AD/DA and newer has ESS Sabre)

@Richard_P_James

Жыл бұрын

@@---pp7tq Thanks for the suggestions 👍

Listen a lots of references tracks on your headphone to know your gear, no need of plugins stuff to flat the frequency response, good headphone already flatten. Find a confortable one. DT880 for me.

@bbfoto7248

Жыл бұрын

@Samuel LE TONQUEZE The vast majority of headphones that are available are FAR FROM FLAT...or I should say NEUTRAL...and/or far from the more ideal Harman Target Curve...and that includes the DT-880. I've owned the Beyerdynamic DT-880 250-ohm version as well as the original Beyerdynamic T1 Tesla for many years, but I've moved on and gladly sold both of them. These Audeze MM-500 *BLOW* both of those headphones away in every regard. While the DT-880's might be pleasant to listen to, their Spectral Balance is far from ideal and that alone will mask A LOT of important details when trying to evaluate your mix. You really do need to adjust or modify the tonality/spectral balance of nearly every headphone to a more "neutral" target curve...IOW, close to the Harman/JBL headphone Target Curve. Besides trying to achieve a good, well-balanced tonality in the mix, it's important that the headphones (or studio monitors) be Neutral in order to properly place all of the various elements of the mix in regards to Depth & Layering, where even a very small difference in the combination of the Levels and the High-Frequency Roll-off will drastically change the position of the instruments or vocal(s) in 3D space. If you get a chance to demo the Audeze MM-500, they will be a huge revelation coming from the Beyer DT-880! The DT-880's are like having your ears stuffed with cotton compared to the MM-500. ;-) But I did like the overall comfort of the DT-880's, though they would get a bit warm on my ears after a while due to the micro-velour earpads. The MM-500 are very comfortable as well, and not harsh or fatiguing in the high end even though they resolve way more detail than the DT-880.

@---pp7tq

Жыл бұрын

Bb foto might be right. From Beyerdynamics I only saw DT-150 and DT-770 recommened for mixing among people, and not even Sennheiser HD800, but rather 560 and 600. But they probably still won't be enough on their own anyway.

Mixing with headphones can work - if you know what a great mix sounds like on YOUR headphones!

@lucidjaded7439

Жыл бұрын

yes! I struggle with this... neutral headphones sound like no other speaker someone would use as a listener.

ripped out my 1990s speakers and put in 7506's in there lol my mind was thinking comfortable ns10's

Headphone gain. It seems like nobody brings this topic up for some reason, but it is probably the biggest difference between speaker monitors and headphones.

I mix and master with ear buds

Honestly, my finished product audio quality improved by 15% by solely mixing and mastering in head phones.

Hmmm... I know a lot of pros who would totally disagree with this,,, not that mixing cant be done but that it can be done well.

I first got a Sennheiser for 500 dollars which was shit, then I got a Beyerdynamic for 100 dollars, which was quite good, then I got a Superlux for 30 dollars and it's great.

I've always thought my Sennheisers were better than my monitors. My monitors are pretty bad, but really the sennheisers just put them to shame.

0:50

You guys mix in headphones 😅 i still use a cheap earphone 😂😂

I have a room that is garbage monitors let me feel and headphones get it done 😂

And people keep saying that headphones fatigue the ears. Id argue the total opposite. Its monitors that are harsh on the ear. My argument would be, because of the simple fact that headphones are super close to your ears, you do not have to listen as loud, and still get a fair representation.

@---pp7tq

Жыл бұрын

But that's also a way to get your ears less fatigued. But... Maybe the ears fatigue is not the issue here but the fact we faster accommodate to the sound on headphones (still, might be the ears fatigued). Anyway, the idea of taking breaks to reset your ears/brain to get fresh perspective on your mix works in my case, that's not invalid approach.

@Trackformers

Жыл бұрын

​@@---pp7tq Agreed. But taking breaks to get a fresh perspective, goes for both monitors and headphones. Breaks for fresh perspective should be done CONSTANTLY in every facet of mixing, mastering and producing. So i definitely do agree to that. But the fresh perspective was not really what i was addressing. I have sever tinnitus in both ears and have always found it softer to work with headphones. The last 5 years I have had a Genelec system. And all I can say is that the monitor system, tho fair and giving an accurate representation of the sound, absolutely annihilates my ears, and aggravates my tinnitus, after just a few minutes of louder mixing. And since they are so fair in their frequency response its almost like u wanna turn them up to get INSIDE of the mix. But with headphones you can get inside the mix with out turning the volume up. Id imagine that is because the headphones being closer to the ear. Which is a definite positive for my messed up ears. Ps. I literally wrote this while taking a break from mixing/producing. True story!! Thanx for the quick distraction!! ;D

not good for your ears though

@MosheBenChaim

19 күн бұрын

Like my Monitor Speakers are good for my ears 😅

Did you just said get you a paire of audeze MM ???? 5000€ headphone ?????

I mix better on headphones K702 ...cambrige dac .. And a tube headphones amp

So what's with the 'official streaky' comments on like literally everyone claiming they've won. Should I be worried haha. Don't you dare comment on this one

First

am a malawian so can i win that?@Streaky