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@barneyjarneyson6409

Жыл бұрын

Sorry guys no undertime slopper today

@ratedn

Жыл бұрын

@@barneyjarneyson6409 You've failed us

@BigAutisticDaddy

Жыл бұрын

have you heard of the theory about the minish cap taking place before skyward sword? i know the "official" timeline says otherwise, however their is a point to be made that it was poorly constructed just to hush some of the fans.

@Cliffordlonghead

Жыл бұрын

​@@ratedn hi

@jessegartung294

Жыл бұрын

My theory is that the hero before link was not human

I always thought that there always was another hero before Skyward Sword Link, but that this Link was the first hero to win against evil. Hylia sent humans to the sky to protect them which made me think that the hero lost his fight and Hylia created Fi and sent her along with the rest into the sky so a new hero can fulfill what the first hero failed to do

@Campion_7

Жыл бұрын

Hmm that worries me a little,because if the first hero failed and if we are that hero does that we'll fail or will we change history

@vincentphilippart4669

Жыл бұрын

Me too. I don't see the need for evil befor demise: the hero fought in the war that led to the creation of skyloft.

@SuperiorPosterior

Жыл бұрын

I still like the interpretation that Skyward Link is the ancient hero, because Zelda is an incarnation of Hylia, and we've got a bit of a Back to the Future thing going on, like how Marty tells his mom (who thinks his name is Calvin Klein) that his name is actually Marty. She seems to like the name enough that she ends up calling her second son Marty in honor of the guy who helped her and George get together. Zelda/Hylia makes Link a sailcloth because that's what is in the old stories, but it's in the old stories because Link goes into the past with that very same sailcloth. 2:41 2:41

@maisaramos1054

Жыл бұрын

@@SuperiorPosterior Damn! I hadn't even stopped to think about it!😱

@firionkaiser8291

Жыл бұрын

I mean realistically just think of the SS prequel manga. The first Link still managed to do what he needed to. He protected the people he loved while wishing to be up in the sky with them.

Honestly, if they ever make the game where we see the Chosen Hero alongside Hylia, just call that one The Legend of Hylia. It would clear up a TON of confusion within the community rn. Edit: so that the comment doesn't keep coming up, the confusion on where Botw/TotK falls in the timeline, and because Skyward Sword is "the first legend of Zelda", but it's not the first Link, so Legend of Hylia would be clearing all that up.

@Anakin_Spiegel

Жыл бұрын

What confusion?

@FViola440

Жыл бұрын

I'm wondering the same thing? What confusion

Bro 109 subs? Got new Zelda theorists coming out the woodworks nowadays! I'm here for it! I was sure this was a channel with 10k+ subs! I'll go ahead and make it 110!

@ratedn

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!! Stay tuned for more dopeness, you won’t be disappointed 🙏🏻

@jonathonseilhan1555

Жыл бұрын

On everything

@indiiiGo1223

Жыл бұрын

Exactly yooo the production is quality

@ISoloYouRelax

Жыл бұрын

I'll help out. Let's get this man to couple million.

@CommanderShepard-wq3wo

Жыл бұрын

Sean Swiftshade: (slurring his words cause he’s got something in his mouth) Aw, Rshated N! Yoursh Mashter shord ish sho long and hard!

Now THIS is a Zelda Lore Theory. Something completely speculative, but familiar, based on info from adjacent sources. Something we can infer, but also KIND OF piece together. I love these almost true, hard to see right away, but after the point gets made becomes obvious theories.

In my mind they're setting up for a "wheel of time" scenario, in which the future leads into the past and history repeats. But we'll see how that pans out fairly soon, I'm thinking.

@ratedn

Жыл бұрын

This theory is certainly intriguing, but not quite sure how we feel on that yet 🤔 The Ouroboros is very very interesting..

Here's my theory, since Nintendo never really goes into detail about him. Fierce Deity Link is the 1st hero. As Demise says, no MAN has ever stood against him. I think that Demise defeated Fierce Deity Link in an epic battle, and due to his fall, Hylia trapped Demise and sent the Hylians to the sky until Fierce Deity's reincarnation returned to battle again. The master sword is forged from Fierce Deity Link's blade. Those are my thoughts anyway, as Deity is God-like, so it would make sense that he could fight for Termina in MM as well. That would give all 3 reincarnations of the triforce a deity to match them. Just my opinion. If some spelling is off, I apologize.

@maisaramos1054

Жыл бұрын

This Fierce Deity is that guy with white hair who looks like Link, right?

@maisaramos1054

Жыл бұрын

What you said is very interesting... very interesting...

@maisaramos1054

Жыл бұрын

Look, I was already finding Hylia funny in the manga because it seemed that she was in love with Link, like, a goddess and a human, but now with this theory from these people there who talk about the Fierce Deity and that he could be the first hero and maybe Link was his reincarnation, I thought even more about it, that Hylia was in love with him (but that maybe they couldn't be together because... they were divinities maybe?), but when he died, she made him reincarnate in a human body and so was she and after that they ended up being together when they became human. Not that she (the one in the game in question) was, it was just a thought I had because of the manga and this theory, because I found it even funnier after I saw the manga. A goddess and a human, now it's a goddess and a deity who became human and got together in the end. I found this funny and hilarious lol. But seriously, I found this so funny and so interesting this theory that from today I ship Hylia and Firce Deity, which would be something like Link and Zelda. Very hilarious that, Link x Zelda and Hylya x Fierce Deity lol.🤣

Lord blessed the algorithm with this one Yooo

Theres also the Manga of majoras Mask that the first few scenes show a hero that put the beast of ancient times to sleep and killed it to carve Majoras mask out of its hide. that hero looks a lot like the Fierce diety Link. i know a lot of people in the west claim that manga is not canon but in Japan everyone accepts it as canon.

This is an interesting perspective on the case of the "First Hero"

@truelionofhylia8152

Жыл бұрын

Link in the Himekawa manga should totes be the protag in his story, like as the very first protag named Link in the manga. Plus, he's gotta stay left-handed as left-handed heroic protag, like in the manga. Hylia's gotta be the deuteragonist, like she was in the manga.

This is an excellent theory and I personally would like to see it implemented. To keep the timeline open for further installments. As for the theory on the shield. I'd wager there is an original Hylian shield and it is indeed indestructible. But the ones we see in the kingdom are replicas designed to imitate. A callback to a bygone Era.

@zmija3846

Жыл бұрын

Same. I love the ancient tech asthetic of SS and BotW/TotK and I'd love to see a past hero delve deep into a world in that setting, centuries (or far more) before SS.

You're right on the money. Skyward Sword began the eternal cycle of three distinct souls locked in combat over the triforce. I don't think Demise needed to have come forth himself in order for his Malice to forge/birth monsters and attack Hylia and her chosen people.

I always understood that the first link met with the goddess before it became Zelda. The Hyrule shield shouldn’t have been included in this game but I think since it has become an icon in the Zelda games, it has taken a status as the master sword.

Link is The Hero, but _not_ the only hero. And Demise is not the only evil, he wasn't even the first member of the demon tribe.

Honestly, the Sailcloth ceremony should be all you need to realize that the door is left open for earlier plots. Nintendo likes to keep the options open.

Because I’m a huge fan of the Fierce Deity, that’s something I personally like to think about when it comes to “The First Hero”. I acknowledge that this is not likely to even have an inkling of truth to it since FD is from Termina and is tied to the people there (possibly even Hylia’s counterpart), but that doesn’t stop a part of me from creating a story in my head where the Fierce Deity, or someone who becomes him, is the ancient hero that people talk about in Skyward Sword. It’s entirely self-indulgent and can probably be shot down by evidence and other stuff, but it’s kind of a brainchild I like to think about 😅

@Tomky54

Жыл бұрын

Is the FD linked to Termina though? Because it's given to you by the child wearing the Majora's Mask and that mask was in posession of the Happy Mask Salesman so I assume that the Mask of Majora existed in Hyrule therefore the FD existed as well. All the other masks can be ruled out to exist only in Termina because they are given to you by the inhabitants but i think that Majora's and the Fierce Deity could be canon. Sadly, i don't think we'll ever see the FD or his history outside of Majora's Mask 😔

@fidgetthecrazy

Жыл бұрын

@@Tomky54 I don’t expect any more FD content from the LoZ canon, either, but seeing a spin off would be so cool. But I remember one of the people at Nintendo saying that FD is the embodiment of all of the memories from the people of Termina, so that’s why I say he’s linked to Termina. But honestly, FD is just full of mystery in general because of how it’s given to you (by the antagonist), and how little we know about it.

Link was Hylia's chosen hero for THIS plan. In-game lore from Skyward Sword says she had to sacrifice her divinity to achieve this as a last resort to end Demise, since her status as a goddess wouldn't let her use the power of the Tri-Force. So in the past, all she could do was lead simple warriors in a quest to defeat Demise which, obviously, ended up in that warrior/"hero"'s defeat. When she embraced mortality, she was able to aid our current hero (Link) directly and personally, greatly increasing his chances of success. She also knew that as a mortal, she would not be able to harness the full power of the Tri-Force alone, hence why she needed a "hero" for this plan to work. Fi is an AI "sealed" in the sword handed down from "hero" to "hero" which gathered all kinds of data from ancient times and adventures, which in turn gave Link more information than the previous wielders. So basically, Fi had enough knowledge to give Link the proper support needed to overcome every trial this time. Now, notice that there weren't any "Link", "Zelda" or "Ganon" before. This now-endless cycle of strife and rebirth begins with Demise's curse, forcing all 3 to to be reborn in any moment in time, together, to fight over and over again. So before Skyward Sword, there was no Link, only "heroes" that ultimately failed to slay Demise, but going as far as being able to seal him. Not to mention the armies that helped with this feat. Also, Hylia was a goddess to many things but there actually was a society that prayed to her for blessings and whatnot. And the inhabitants of Skyloft are the successors of this society. They were the "lucky ones" to be sent to the heavens by Hylia in a last attempt to protect her people (that's why they're called "hylians" and after the founding of Hyrule, they were also called "hyruleans") The "legendary Hylian shield" must have belonged to warriors styling their shields after imagery of the goddess, which was later used as Hyrule's coat of arms, but, like in pretty much every nation's history, the origin was lost and it merely became "a crest of the royal family". So to summarize, Skyward Sword tells the origin story of this trio: the hero, the goddess, and the villain. But there definitely was more war and struggle before, in which case, if Nintendo tried to make a game of those times, it wouldn't be a "Legend of Zelda" properly speaking since there was no Zelda, Link, or even Ganon. PD: Girahim summoned normal bokoblins since he called them from his own time. Edit: I've noticed a lot of people saying Link was "the chosen hero" from the beginning, but Zelda apologized to him for "pulling him into all of this". So basically Hylia thought Link was a good candidate when she witnessed his deeds through the eyes of Zelda, and that's why he started having nightmares at his current age rather than earlier. Hylia was ready to involve him in her plan. Also, people think Link was his own predecessor but his time travel took him to a time after Demise was sealed, so "tales of his deeds" would only be "he destroyed Demise" since he appeared in that brief moment and never adventured in the past. And one last thing: Tears of the Kingdom can't be a prequel because in Breath of the Wild, Urbosa mentions that "Calamity Ganon once adopted the form of a Gerudo" and that Naboris was named after Nabooru "Legend of the Gerudo, celebrated over the years". My theory? Probably the floating continent in the upcoming game will be the ruins of Skyloft, or a mechanism that will make a huge mass of land float as Skyloft did, but without the help of Hylia's power... or maybe with it? Zelda was in the caverns where they found Ganondorf's remains, she probably activated said mechanism. We'll never know until we play it. I NEED TO PLAY IT!

It leaves room for a game to come before Skyward Sword. The game could possibly let you play as 'Hylia' sealing 'Demise' before the events of Skyward Sword.

@jawsisra

Жыл бұрын

As much as I would love such a game to come out. it would be very bad for Nintendo right now to release such a game

@hambartha

Жыл бұрын

@Jason Williams Since 'Tears of the Kingdom' has not released yet perhaps more of the origins of Hylia and Demise will be explored...

There was a question on a forum I frequent recently as to whether there was any evil threat before Demise. It seems to me that the fact there was a need for a Knight's Academy in the first place indicates the presence of a threat before Demise. This video expands greatly on my simple observation. You're doing good work dude.

Thank god I absolutely despise the SS paradox theory to justify the references to a previous hero in the early game. Because even removing the time shit from the equation there is no way anyone on ancient skyloft could’ve heard of the Link we see in SS after he goes back in time. BECAUSE SKYLOFT IS ALREADY IN THE SKY. (As one could observe the fresh, telltale indent of where the sky keep once sat in the sealed grounds still being present.) Nobody is left on the surface to see him at all, let alone know anything about what he did. (Save for Impa, though it is safe to assume she has no way to reach above the cloud barrier or communicate with anyone on skyloft) This makes his story being passed down through generations on Skyloft to eventually reach him and Zelda in the present virtually impossible. The fact that literally not a SINGLE theorist, Zeldatuber, or any other kind of lore enthusiast has made this connection thus far both baffles and enrages me to no end. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

@hintonempire1178

Жыл бұрын

I agree, calling things a paradox is kind of a lazy answer. Same goes for the Song of Storms "paradox" in OoT.

@fidgetthecrazy

Жыл бұрын

Oh hey, PitStain!

@Piiiiiiiiit

Жыл бұрын

@@fidgetthecrazy Yoooooo! Thought I recognized that username, fancy seein’ you here

@fidgetthecrazy

Жыл бұрын

@@Piiiiiiiiit I know, it’s been a hot minute! It’s always neat to find people you know in the comment sections like this XD

@Piiiiiiiiit

Жыл бұрын

@@fidgetthecrazy Yea for sure! It’s like finding needles in a planet sized haystack

I have thought for a long time now that The Fierce Deity was "The Goddess's Chosen Hero" but that what we see of him in Majora's Mask is a corrupted and Twisted image from Majora's dark magic. And it would make sense as he's the only godly figure related to Link when Hylia herself is connected to Zelda and Demise is connected to Ganondorf.

@magnetizeranimation2506

Жыл бұрын

That actually makes sense

@alpharius4819

Жыл бұрын

Link is the fierce deity and vice versa, he is the collection of an entire kingdoms goodwill that one single person did. Link helped them, solved their problems, soothed their hurts; and did it all out of the kindness of his own heart. When Link puts on that mask it's power changes him into a demon of protection. That mask represents the power and drive one can aspire to have when you must protect something that you love and cherish. This doesn't make him a god or any being of higher power. But a spirit born only to defend that which cannot defend himself. Some dude did a great video on it actually and he's made a good case for it too. I like you're idea too.

10:45 Not neccesarily. Another possibility could be that the Hero of the Sky is the first HUMAN incarnation of the hero. He might have been another species in his earlier lives. Not likely, admittedly, but an interessting thought nonetheless

I have a theory for the hylian shield, it has nothing to do with the lore or the story, but rather just there because a Zelda game would feel empty without it

Can we PLEASE get a spin off game focused on the Sheikah, their advanced technology and ninja abilities? How they became the behind the scenes protectors ls of the royal family and how they helped shape Hyrule?

This is something special. I first noticed the healthy skepticism of both Hyrule Historia and Hyrule Encyclopedia, both are which are full of inconsistencies and statements not supported by the games. I next noticed the much deeper look into the more obscure lore aspects of the series. I then noticed that the timeline presented in the video is the very same one proposed by Lorulean Historian and Zelda Lore, one which I adhere to, myself. I sense a very deep understanding, knowledge, and passion for the intricacies of the lore of The Legend of Zelda from the team behind this channel and I am all for it. Instant subscription and immense anticipation for further phenomenal content when the team has time to work on it. My support is guaranteed.

Link without a face looks surprisingly cool as a design lol

This makes me happy because I kind of hated the idea that SS Link is the original hero. Yay! I hope you’re right.

It could be Skyward Sword’s Link is a descendant of Hylia’s chosen hero. Zelda and Link didn’t start reincarnating until after Demise placed a curse on them.

Have you read the canon manga excerpt from the Hyrule Historia? It’s about the very first Link. It shows how Hylia gave him the master sword. Of which he had to reforge for human use. Also how the goddess Hylia chose him to be the reincarnated hero. He fights Demise to a draw and uses the master sword to send the lands to the sky. While he was passing in Hylia’s arms. She promised that they would meet again. Explicitly stating that she would reincarnate herself as a human the next they meet.

@SmackTheBongo

Жыл бұрын

It’s literally non cannon It wasn’t written by Nintendo and Hylia was the one who sent skyloft into the sky, not link. We know this from the opening cutscene of skyward sword :)

@khfreak5531

Жыл бұрын

@@SmackTheBongo Ah, yes. I just fact checked myself. Although it’s officially published by Nintendo there’s enough contradictions to prove it most certainly isn’t canon. Still a fun read though. Lol

@SmackTheBongo

Жыл бұрын

@@khfreak5531 tis indeed. glad I could clarify :)

My guess is that it is the Fierce Deity who is the previous hero and he faded away after a time and space bending battle against Majora, where they both died.

@davidburnett5049

Жыл бұрын

Idk if i agree but that sounds pretty cool. I like it

@apolloboeckmann6591

Жыл бұрын

I mean the giants fought majora

My theory is that Tears of the Kingdom is going to be about the founding of Skyloft, making the whole LoZ series go in full loop, and also therefore combining all timelines

Reminder that Nintendo themselves tasked Akira Himekawa with creating the "first" Zelda tale which was the manga seen at the back of Hyrule Historia. As well as Aonuma indicating that a game could come before SS. Despite some things that happen in the manga that people will point out, I do genuinely believe that the prequel manga is canon. Hell I've encountered a fan who has explained why all the counter arguments against it being canon can actually be reason for why it is canon. The first Link truly was a badass.

Cool video/theory. Personally i don't think that the tech bokoblins reinforce the theory, as we've seen before Bokoblins are not stranger to picking up items or weapons lying around so I believe they are the same race of bokoblins as in the present, they just stole the technology found in the desert area.

Another stipulation for the chronology. Link does not travel to the time of the _ongoing_ war between Hylia and Demise. He travels to some time after it's _conclusion_ with Demise's sealing. Skyloft was sent into the sky when the demon tribe was an active, valid threat that warranted refugee movement. And had no contact with the world below. And if neither Link, Zelda, or Impa was able to influence Skyloft in the past they traveled to, then how could it have been they who sparked the myth surrounding the sailcloth and the chosen hero? It had to originate from somewhere.

I hope demise returns in tears of the kingdom alongside ganon

@ThadMasterOfHell

Жыл бұрын

I don't think that would happen because I think Ganon is the reincarnation of Demise. I could be wrong, though

@MilestheDirtyMindedGoblin2099

Жыл бұрын

@@ThadMasterOfHell yeah it’s kinda complicated and not really stated directly so who knows

Who said it's a timeline? Might be a perpetual time circle with no clear start or ending. Since we can see in Majora's mask that time is not completely linear in Zelda games.

It's a great summary and there are many Zelda fans who would love to see/play the Legend of Hylia's Chosen!

To be fair, is it not possible that due to the time loops in Skyward Sword that the sailcloth tradition technically originated from Zelda and Link? The timeline splits multiple times due to traveling through the time gates. An unaltered timeline, a present time where Zelda & Link use the Triforce to completely destroy Demon King Demise, and the past where Ghirahim used Zelda to revive Demise only for Link to slay him with the Master Sword. Perhaps because of the current traditional sailcloth ceremony is how Hylia found her first hero. There is also the possibility that there were some Hylians that stayed to fight alongside the goddess, one of them likely being an ancestor of Skyward Sword’s Link. Time travel really does make things extremely complicated and really confusing.

@hintonempire1178

Жыл бұрын

There is no time loop in SS. No event in the game happens more than once, so we can safely rule that out as just a fan theory. Also the Tree of Life quest kinda disproves that idea as well.

You say any heroes would have to have been before Demise came about, but that's not necessarily true; they could have existed between his sealing and unsealing, leaving Demise generally unaware of their existence. In theory.

I learned something new, thanks for posting this man!

I thought that Hylia happened across a warrior that she fell in love with and used her powers to make sure he’d reincarnate with her when she chose to become mortal. He wielded the Goddess Sword in her name. And would continue to do so in their future to finish Demise. Then Demise just cursed all 3 of them to keep fighting until the end of time. After that, their souls reincarnate ever few hundred years when Demise (or another evil) makes his return. It was Hylia’s way of remaining with her champion to protect her land, the Triforce, and her people. It’s a love story that spans across time. And sometimes it doesn’t go the right way. See the Child Timeline where Link married Malon. But he did still fight for Zelda, but likely never rose through the ranks to be recognized as the boy that helped her stop Ganondorf when they were kids. Or the Fallen Timeline where Link straight up died.

The legendary shield is named after the goddess Hylia, not the land of Hyrule. Therefore, Skyward Sword implies that the shield came first, and Hyrule simply created shields that referenced the Hylian shield to honor the goddess that the kingdom was named after (similar to how they decorate everything in Triforce iconography). ...or Nintendo's profit model is based on nostalgia and its recognizable IP's, and the Hylian shield ticks both of those boxes.

Great video guys. I'm still not entirely convinced that a Hero existed before SS, but I'm now more open to the possibility. You've earned a sub and a like. 👍

@ratedn

Жыл бұрын

As long as you’re open 😉 thank you so much!

I'm digging this content

Excellent theory and analysis. You’ve earned a subscriber here! 🙂

I see they've taken a page from final fantasy, keeping the door backwards always open so they can go in any direction they want for this series. A wise choice on their part. Also keeps things interesting. Good job pointing all these things out for others. Fact of the matter is, no one really knows how far reaching the echo of eternity really is. As was mentioned by the first warrior of light, that was just his story an time from where he came from. An as the fairy beckons the next hero of light to take charge an shape things to be as he so desires. Clearly a reverse nod back at the zelda series, for referencing the triforce's own words said to link basically that said to close his eyes an make the world as he saw fit to be or such. You should be able to see the similarities now between the 2 games. I could answer more on this subject.. but this would cease to be a comment if I did so 😌 PS: 419 Subs at the time of this comment. You can earn mine if you can keep up with what you've made here, you DO earn my like on this video though. Subs are for consistency only.

Great video. Commenting for the algorithm.

@MilestheDirtyMindedGoblin2099

Жыл бұрын

A very noble reason for commenting my friend

A video game set before Skyward sword sounds pretty Dark . We need another dark game like Majoras Mask

Awesome video! Looking forward to your TotK videos in the near future. Keep up the good work. Oh, and cool name!

As much as I agree there canonically is a hero before SS, I see the appearance of the hylian shield as more of an oversight as the reason for the bird symbol on the emblem is because of hylia lifting people into the sky. If it is meant to show the possibility of another civilization centred around Hylia then it’s more likely to prove a time loop rather than solely the existence of another hero

Ooh. If Hylia did have a champion during her battle with Demise, they were likely NOT a human at the time.

Great video! Keep them coming!

It’s cool to realize that link actually came before Zelda and ganondorf.

The impression I got was the intention was for SS Link to be implied to be the first hero, but the writing of the game is awkward and inconsistent, so the logic of that falls apart quickly upon too close an inspection. You really have to invent solutions and claim history is muddled and so on to make that work. What makes the most sense to me narratively is that there was an early Link but he lacked the powers of being a chosen hero. Maybe he was reliant solely on technology of the ancient era. He likely died either trying to save others or after Demise was sealed, but certainly never fought him directly. It makes sense that it was this relationship with a doomed human that would inspire Hylia to sacrifice herself. The idea that there was no hero and it's all SS Link and the legend is all about Zelda time traveling not only makes no sense (Skyloft had no means of learning of such a legend) but it's also narratively unsatisfying. It's fittingly messy for SS, which really has no business resting at the front of the entire timeline. Hopefully they'll return to the idea at some point. Maybe not a game starring this guy, but at least telling a bit of the actual story.

@mrbiscuits001

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, it’s inconsistent, but because we see that SS’s past will lead into the same future, this is indeed the case.

Neat theory. It ignores the fact that the Demise fight occurs in a pseudo timeloop in the past, far before the events from the start of the game, thus allowing skyward link to be the original Hylia chosen hero without him even knowing that, along with a few other holes here and there, but good one still. And given how this game was the first to actually consider the idea of a full franchise timeline (meaning everything that came prior to skyward was mostly Nintendo eyeballing plots here and there), your guess is as good as mine on the topic.

@DarkLordTalon

Жыл бұрын

The problem with this idea thjough should be an obvious one. You go back to the events before the start of SS yes. But After Demise' sealing which is outright said and shown. Which means there had to be someone before you that did the deed and you are in fact, Re-doing the deed. Plus, at that point Skyloft would already be, well, Skyloft. Which means there would be no one around to witness or spread stories of the battle that just happened other than your immediate party who all return to the future, save for Impa. Impa wouldn't have anyone to share the story with at that point though so how would the legend have spread? That alone shows there Had to be someone before SS Link.

@eduardopereiradossantosmel7403

Жыл бұрын

@@DarkLordTalon the someone before you to do the deed can still be you if the whole thing is a timeloop as I stated (something in the veins of Terminator 2, old "face full of scars" John Connor started the Resistence, but we follow young "still have hair" John Connor who's completely unaware of his previous loop actions). And for Impa not spreading the legend...why not? She was in the past, and I'm pretty sure she didn't stood still alone in the temple for all those years (at the bare minimum she went shopping for new clothes). If there was people outside anywhere, either on ground or in the sky, she might have told the events, mix with a few decades/centuries of word of mouth and bam, you got yourself a legend. But again, I'm not 100% sure of any hypothesis about this game, since all explanations I've seen or come upon always have significant details that need to be ignored for them to work. And given how the A-team at Nintendo is part genius, part mad scientists, I think this lack of certainty is on purpose.

YOU CAPTURED MY FULL ATTENTION IN THE FIRST TEN SECONDS.

Really awesome video! You did an awesome job!

Ok, who's doing the narration in this video? Perhaps I am just speculating, but the voice in this video sounds very similar to a certain voice actor; but I might be getting ahead of my self. Point being is that I enjoyed this narration of The Legend of Zelda lore, this gentleman's voice is very soothing. Good luck with your channel.

I’m subscribing this is amazing ✨

I found Hylia to be overall a sketchy god.

@hintonempire1178

Жыл бұрын

100% agree. She had no problem manipulating Link.

@haruhisuzumiya6650

Жыл бұрын

Her job was to be tasked with a sacred artifact a part of the creation trio that created hyrule and all other realms including Lorule

@satorii_2060

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. I never trusted Hylia myself.

@mikethehunter5212

Жыл бұрын

You're thinking like a human. Omnipotent beings tend to be amoral.

Japanese love cyclical tales that end where the adventure started. So we're left with a crucial question: Which came first, the egg or the chicken?

@AkaiAzul

Жыл бұрын

Always the egg: that which laid the egg containing the first chicken was not a chicken herself.

@GreywindLina

Жыл бұрын

@@AkaiAzul Well reasoned! Very correct! It might have been the last dinosaur in the chicken's lineage that laid the egg that led to the modern chicken. I guess the chicken had its eggs fertilized by another dinosaur or chickens fertilizing dinosaur eggs and the chicken genes were dominant enough to result in more chickens hatching than dinosaurs. But then, technically birds are dinosaurs, or avians, right? How does one go from T-Rex to KFC? Evolution is marvelous.

100% worth the sub

Ever think the reason the hero is named Link because of his actual Link to every hero past to present?

@brandohalstead7654

9 ай бұрын

He's actually called Link as a metaphor for the link between the player and the land of hyrule, hence why he doesn't talk; in an effort to make him more relatable to a mass audience.

@djboomboom1981

9 ай бұрын

@@brandohalstead7654 I know I was just trying to be funny sorry lol

@brandohalstead7654

9 ай бұрын

@Shawtydiva79promoter my bad, I didn't catch it lmaooooo it thought you were serious.

@djboomboom1981

9 ай бұрын

@@brandohalstead7654 it's all good it was a play on a series of jokes from a creator that does an animated shorts on Link lol

Awesome video! Reminds me of the days before the historia dictated people’s narratives. One point of critique I’d like to point out is the inconsistent audio levels, at times dipping somewhere within 3-15 db before returning to “rest” a few moments later. Typically happens between phrases/sentences. Dunno if it’s an editing thing where you want to crescendo as you get to you point, or if it’s a production issue where you’re talking away from your mic. Hopefully that helps

I like to think there was at least one Link before Skyward Sword. He was able to defeat various monsters but couldn't defeat Demise. So Hylia, who deeply loved the first Link, put him in a cycle of rebirth until he was able to overcome Demise, and she chose herself a mortal form to "guide" him. Demise then cursed the Link that was able to defeat him, thus mixing his curse with Hylia's, resulting in the cycle of rebirth.

@firionkaiser8291

Жыл бұрын

There definitely was. Even Aonuma has indicated that a game could come before SS.

Seems like the combo that KO's evil only works if Link has a sacred sword, so the powers of that be in a region just make one for their lonk somehow through probability

Demise once stated that link is the first mortal to stand before him without cowering If there was a previous hero This could mean a couple things 1. The previous hero never met demise 2. The previous hero met demise but not without cowering 3. The previous wasn’t mortal I have a fan theory that the previous hero was fierce deity link although there is this comic about the previous hero but it isn’t confirmed to be canon so my theory still stands Edit: also perhaps it’s possible that fierce deity link was the one that put that scar on demise’s forehead We never hear how got it And if it wasn’t link it was possibly hylia

@MilestheDirtyMindedGoblin2099

Жыл бұрын

Yeah true, the fierce deity being the first hero is also a pretty popular theory as well so it could be possible

@benjamincuevas9627

Жыл бұрын

There is a theory that Demise was a hero created to serve the gods. Being given power rather than earning might have lead him to being corrupt. Having failed with Demise the gods rethink their approach. So rather than creating a powerful entity to be a "hero" they instead help elevate a humble human to being the next "hero". It does seem weird that Demise sword seems similar to the Mastersword.

@jaimeruiz7837

Жыл бұрын

The original hero could've cowered but got back up and finished things. Nothing wrong with being afraid... you can't be brave without first being afraid.

@israelwilson4022

Жыл бұрын

@@jaimeruiz7837 of course it’s natural to be afraid bro was literally facing a demon king I know I wouldn’t be fearless in the face of demise

@jaimeruiz7837

Жыл бұрын

@@israelwilson4022 still he got the job done and was blessed to forever be apart from the one he loved and stuck in a cycle of death. Yaaaaay to being a hero:/

The content got you a like, the Sephiroth music got you a sub!

The idea that there were other evils that came before Demise seems like it requires a bit of a leap in logic but I can see how that sort of theory might work. And would definitely be a good way for Nintendo to make more Zelda games set earlier in the timeline if they want to

I think the difference between link and the previous heroes is like the difference between big g-god and little g gods

@theangryricefarmer6715

Жыл бұрын

And by that I mean there might have been other heroes but Link is the only one that reincarnates

Cool to see another Zelda fan in the lore and reject the the Hyrule Hystoria. The timeline you flash looks interesting and I'd love to see a video on your explanation of it. I have made one in the past that only splits at OoT. Though if you want a "If Link lose you get a separate timeline" MC, ALttP, and AoL I think give the best opportunities for it. I just haven't seem any games that would be set in those.

I can imagine nintendo is watching videos like this upset that they now have make more games to fill in a timeline that they never intended to have.

Something tells me were all about to find out

That video made me think of an other theorie. It is the shield and the goblins that made me think about it. What if if the future (Like maybe in the new game cumming) things gets so bad that link or zelda gets back in time to try to stop the problem at the origin and somehow the past merge with the future. So the timeline could be an infinite loop. Since you go in the sky in the new game. I wonder if it will be the game that connects the two points.

Maybe the very first link was a zonai since demise said he never met a human who wasn’t a coward right. And we all know what the zonai are 🙂 That’d be a pretty epic Zelda game if you think about it and satisfying cause we get all the questions answered 😏

I've alway assumed that hero of the goddess/hyrule was a title passed down constantly and it's only sometimes Link

Great video!

I thought it was obvious he's not the first Link. He's the first REINCARNATION of Link. Link must become a reincarnated being to be able to fight Demise properly.

I’m wondering if Tears of the Kingdom will end up being the prequel to Skyward Sword. Have it be the end AND the beginning of the cycle.

@DarkAngelEU

Жыл бұрын

That's impossible. BoTW has The Master Sword, which was created in SS.

@williamraboine

Жыл бұрын

@@DarkAngelEU You’re forgetting there is basically magic in Zelda, and that it also may be a loop.

@whitelasagna6786

Жыл бұрын

@@DarkAngelEU This is a story about a time goddess in the body of a human. There have been plenty of time travel shenanigans in the series. One of the main symbols in promotions for this game is the ouroboros. Anything is possible.

@DarkAngelEU

Жыл бұрын

@@whitelasagna6786 Of course it's possible, but it isn't in my opinion.

About the shield... It's interesting to note that official game language makes use of both the terms 'Hylian' and 'Hyrulean', almost as if there were a distinction between the two, where a Hylian would be a person who is of the race born from the goddess Hylia, and a Hyrulean would be a citizen of the kingdom of Hyrule. This used to bug me as I thought it was just translation errors or something, until TOTK came out and they introduced us to the first king of Hyrule, who himself, obviously being a Hyrulean, was a member of an entirely new race of people. I agree that they left some things open for them to go even further back in time for a future Zelda game if they so desired, but since we can make the distinction between a Hylian and a Hyrulean, I have to say that I don't think there was a previous kingdom of Hyrule that somehow got lost to time, especially since its founding at the beginning of the era of prosperity has been long and well established, even if the timeline has been retconned more than once.

@e_knees8816

Жыл бұрын

The difference is ethnicity and nationality, respectively. Best way to describe it.

@dale117

Жыл бұрын

@@e_knees8816 in simpler terms, sure. I'd say more ethnicity and citizenry, rather than nationality, though. Muddied borders and all that.

The demise line might actually be explained by the fact that Demise's name isnt actually demise in japanese, he is "one who brings demise"

There’s a mini manga in one of the Historia books. The green one. It’s right before Hylia lifts Skyloft

Of course there were hero's prior to Skyward... It's amazing how much the younger generation believes to know more about Zelda but haven't played all the games even if it's understandable they weren't born during certain time periods. But still if you pay attention to Skyward and explore all areas and side quests. Great video my man!

I personally think that the swords are the key to what’s cannon where.with that into account and demise being the source of all monsters. All previous hero’s that didn’t wield the master sword but are in with demise fit into the timeline. Demise killed. Now hero has the master sword….you know the rest….onward to descendants.

I do think is possible that there was an ancient hero before Link, but I think the the Link from SS is the first “Hero chosen by the Goddess” or the first Link, the one that starts the Legend of Zelda. It is fitting that the first Link appears to protect the first Zelda. I don’t think we would ever see a game that occupies before SS mainly because the original title of the series was Hyrule Fantasy, this is supposed to be a tale about Hyrule, Zelda and Link, and neither Hyrule, the princes nor the chosen hero existed before SS. There probably was a Kingdom and a hero (or a bunch of them), also Hylia was definitely in there, but if it’s not Hyrule and there is no Link and/or Zelda then it would be part of the legend.

@hintonempire1178

Жыл бұрын

Fair points, but there are games that take place outside of Hyrule and don't have the Princess as a central character either, such as Majora's Mask. I think it's safe to say that we can get Zelda games that aren't the regular formula. Remember when Nintendo said that The Minish Cap was the origin of Link's hat? Then a few years later they came out with SS where Link had the same style hat. I can see them pulling the same move with SS being the "first" Zelda game in the timeline.

@sykune

Жыл бұрын

The dragon speak of you having the spirit of the hero? Is this just abstract concept or was there a hero that died and hylia allowed them to live on as the spirit of the hero, even demise states those with blood of the goddess and spirit of the hero. Mean he recognizes the spirit as well or was he implying that the hero's descendents would also have that same fighting spirit?

@hintonempire1178

Жыл бұрын

@@sykune Good point about Demise.

@jancarmona1155

Жыл бұрын

@@sykune Well my theory is that the spirit of the heroe is something that either Hylia created or manipulated so it would eventually be born as the first Link. Following that Demise recognize this and thats why he courses that spirit to be reborn along Zeldas decendents (those who keep the spirit of Hylia). It could be that Hylia took the spirit of an ancient hero and turn that spirit into the spirit of the hero that every Link then inherit.

@jancarmona1155

Жыл бұрын

@@hintonempire1178 Well it is true but, with the exception of Triforce Heroes, every game (made by Nintendo) that takes place out of Hyrule is a sequel to a game that took place in Hyrule and it uses the same Link, so it´s a part of the same tale. I belive they changed the origin of Link's hat because minish cap was not directle made by them, but they did made SS, that's why I don't think they will chnge it. I may be wrong though.

Nice job! I never take the timeline seriously because there was no timeline before The Avengers came out and suddenly everything had to be part of a shared universe. You made the timeline feel legit though.

@-Zechariot

Жыл бұрын

People have been discussing timelines in not only zelda but many different games since LONG before the avengers. Hyrule hystoria came out itself before the avengers.

i used to have afterschool church and i lowkey wish it consisted more of sitting through vids like this

I believe the whole timeline is a loop, think about it, the sky islands were lifted into the sky after a great calamity just like breath of the wild, then in tears of the kingdom

what if we have seen this ancient hero but didn't know it. What if this ancient hero is none other then the Fierce Deity. Just look at the mask don't it look just like link yet it says dark powers when the player get it but this is a mask of the hero not the hero itself and when you use the mask you wield a might blade

Demise has been confirmed to be the root of all evil in the Zelda universe. It's possible his monsters were still propping up before his initial attack, but he is the original evil. Hylia had warriors- the Sheikah, which were people she personally appointed. So past knights aren't out of the question at all. She was guarding the Triforce, which she sensed could be a source of conflict and war, so it makes sense to have additional knights to help keep the peace. The Stalfos in the game are also stated to be fallen warriors from the past too, which are reanimated by an evil spirit. But Hylia's chosen hero is specifically the Link we play as in Skyward Sword, as he's called that throughout the game. And at the end of the game, after defeating Demise in the past, Fi states he has "fulfilled his role as the hero of legend". All past knights were unable to stand up to Demise. Gaepora specifically started the Knights Academy because in the past, the humans were not strong enough to assist Hylia during the war. Therefore, as of right now, Link in Skyward Sword is the first 'hero'.

@hintonempire1178

Жыл бұрын

The part about the sailcloth kind of proves that there was a hero before Hero of the Skies. She straight up says that it is not the same one.

@WindMageMaster

Жыл бұрын

@@hintonempire1178 How can a village girl - which Zelda is, at that point- know it’s not the same one? She doesn’t know she’s the goddess at that point, nor does she know Link travels back in time with it to defeat Demise. Her words there saying “this isn’t the same cloth some ancient hero had cause I made it” means basically nothing.

@hintonempire1178

Жыл бұрын

@@WindMageMaster Because the only reason to even include that bit of dialog in the first place is to let the player know that it isn't the same one.

@WindMageMaster

Жыл бұрын

@@hintonempire1178 Or to mislead the player and keep Zelda’s identity in that game more a secret

@hintonempire1178

Жыл бұрын

@@WindMageMaster I also think the fact that they put that manga with a previous hero in the Historia is also a sign that it was to be interpreted that there are previous heroes. Not only that, but that prologue quote about there being "adventures long hidden from memory" also is proof that there are things happening before Skyward Sword.

If Link went back in time to fight Demise, doesn't that make him the chosen hero.

@hintonempire1178

Жыл бұрын

He is the chosen hero. Just not the same one from the sailcloth story. That was a different guy.

@BenDover-yv1cw

Жыл бұрын

@Hinton Empire doesn't Link have a sail cloth going back in time. Idk I'd just wait for Nintendo to do something with it.

@ratedn

Жыл бұрын

@@BenDover-yv1cwalthough he brings the sailcloth back to the past, it wasn’t given to him there. This is the point of discussion in that regard. If Link got the sailcloth in the present, then who did Hylia give a different sailcloth too in the past?

@BenDover-yv1cw

Жыл бұрын

@Rated N Hylia becomes Zelda, and she gives link the sail cloth (she technically is still Hylia) that would make it an entire time paradox loop. Until/unless Nintendo makes a game about it, that's all that whole thing will be.

@hintonempire1178

Жыл бұрын

@@BenDover-yv1cw Is not a loop though. The tree of life proves that.

My theory is TOTK will essentially "Futurama" the series. Creating some sort of loop in where TOTK is simultaneuosly the last event of the tineline. And the beginning of the timeline. Making TOTK or BOTW link to be the first, and the last hero at the same time. Im also a casual fan. So this is as in depth as i can explain my thiught process.

@zyvics

Жыл бұрын

yeah, I agree. One of my friends said that Ganon curses the world to repeat the cycle of malice or whatever in Skyward Sword or Wind Waker. TOTK being the last link of the circle makes sense imo

Zelda games are 37 years old? That’s exactly how old I am yayyyy

If you believe in ying and yang. Where there is good there will be bad. Than when this hyrule become existent, and the most people we meet in the games are very nice ones, we can assume that the evil inside every being was at least partially extricated and sealed. It is too much so it certainly results in some outburst´s in some way why there are monsters and every now and then a demise/ganon. So when that evil apears there must be a countermeasure. How that come to be is a story i want play in a game myself^^

There were lots about skysword that didn't make sense to me, the evil that had existed long before link so either Demise was millions of years old or only just gained a physical form in one of battles against the gods and won, link was the first hero to gain respect from the Demise just by stand up to him, the hero's before either ran from him or die before getting the chance, when the goddess defeat was clear she made skyloft to protect the remaining hylias that she was aware of and then went back to the war using her full power, it wouldn't surprise me if the 7 sages were her commanders and the old hero has her guard and we're reincarnated which the demon Demise piggy back on

I'm thinking much like how the goddess Hylia was reincarnated into a Human, The Hero was also a god of sorts himself whom later reincarnated after Demises defeat. That being of which I'm referring too is "The Fierce Deity", who's powers are linked to well Link's typical prowess like the beam sword technique, and in all likelihood responsible for sealing Majora in a time bubble from the side story in the Majora's Mask manga (which I recommend you check out).

Finally someone who treats the books as non-canon aas one should.

@richardgurney1844

9 ай бұрын

What books?

@hokton8555

8 ай бұрын

@@richardgurney1844 i think the comic string with the giddess chosen hero

This Theory is absolutely fire. Now I want a pre-SS Zelda game

Honestly, skyward sword was just the origin of the cursed cycle and the master sword. Not the soul of the hero.

@Tahkaullus01

Жыл бұрын

No it was the forging of the hero as well. Link's whole journey was the creation of a heroic spirit as well that could weather any challenge, and _crucially_ one that could wield the full Triforce without causing it to split. Hylia/Zelda was taking _no_ chances.

@kassaken6521

Жыл бұрын

​@@Tahkaullus01 Forging of a Hero, not the first hero. I think what the Water Dragon implied was pretty clear

As long as I keep getting reeled in by Nintendo, waiting for new games to come out, I may as well listen to people's opinions of the Zelda universe and theories of it's origins. It's loads better than listening to political channels that screwtube keeps recommending.

@dhans9662

Жыл бұрын

Ben Shapiro destroys college student #2405 with FACTS and LOGIC