The Truth About The USDM AE86
Автокөліктер мен көлік құралдары
An infomercial about the Corolla GT-S to clarify the misunderstanding stirred up by Mr. Regular from Regular Car Reviews.
Special thanks to friends Tom, Ray, and Bruno for allowing me to shoot their cars.
Music:
Dave Rodgers - Space Boy
External Video Sources:
Drift Off 2 - Round 1 Keiichi Tsuchiya VS Ken Gushi - Best Motoring International
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Woah, never knew about the VIN number on the SR5
@Progressionmotorsports
7 жыл бұрын
No worries. I'm best buds with Thomas, and he didn't know about them either when we first met.
@KingVenitus
7 жыл бұрын
RegularCars hello mr. Regular
@KOKO-fd3zr
7 жыл бұрын
fuck you mean you never knew, you're the reason why 12 year old kids wont stop screaming at me on the internet about how i know nothing about AE86s! -12 year old kid screaming at you on the internet
@steveellsworth2547
6 жыл бұрын
K O K O・ヘクマティアル dude I LOVE AE86s
@goralAdrian
6 жыл бұрын
I love AE86s too. Greats, legandary cars.
THANK YOU
@Progressionmotorsports
7 жыл бұрын
Cheers fellas~ Keep it up!
@arodbiker45
7 жыл бұрын
More Skids moreskids as f'
@nihonhikikomorikyoki
7 жыл бұрын
ayy lmao. I was there 4 u bb
@tomwoodend5535
7 жыл бұрын
More Skids ahahahahah was thinking about your video during this
Thank you for this clarification. I'm so tired of finding LHD AE86 owners getting shit on by idiots who don't know what they're talking about saying that they don't have a "real" AE86 just because of the VIN, when AE86 refers to the chassis code.
The guy in the Uhaul at 2:26 knows wassup
The AE85 has an SOHC 1.5 liter 3A-U. And the AE86 has a DOHC 1.6 liter 4A-GE. That's quite a difference.
@ryoamora8655
5 жыл бұрын
The AE86 ALSO has the 4AC carbureted 1.6 sohc engine, too...Don't forget that.
@HachiKamuri
5 ай бұрын
@@ryoamora8655a simpler way to put that into terms would be: AE86 = 4A AE85 = 3A
This is just like when people try to tell me that the Acura RSX is not a Honda Integra
@TheSuperIntimidator
7 жыл бұрын
Honda never made an integra. Acura did though
@stealthlol266
7 жыл бұрын
Sorry buddy, honda did make the integra, they were rebadged as acura's for the american market
@odhdoh
7 жыл бұрын
+The One Leaf Man Honda did make an integra most popular dc2 and dc5
@TheSuperIntimidator
7 жыл бұрын
Aah, didn't know that. Wasn't defending the integra, it's rice either way
@alex11055
7 жыл бұрын
Would like to point out that Honda did make Integra and its not only the Dc2 but the Dc5, but it's only for Asian market though so u Americans obsviously cant get them.. personally own a Dc5 Type R in Hong Kong and yes Rsx's is somewhat a dc5, but compared to a type R, it does not have a lightened chassis (1300kg compared to 1160kg) that is featured in type r's. If u really want a real type r, it's better for u to move country.
you are my hero.....i get tired of seeing the same posts all the time on youtube vids "that's not a ae86". all because of that one guys review..... this video seriously needed to be made. thank you.
@ericsson_motorsports
3 жыл бұрын
@wUnp Well that's a weird comparasion, could you actually argue about the subject instead? The GT-S is an AE86, the differences are so small that it just doesn't make sense to call it by a different name. Using your logic it would be the same as your girfriend taking off a necklace or something I guess...
@OriginalKingRichTv
3 жыл бұрын
@wUnp no your absolutely right even if people can't accept the truth for what it is.
@OriginalKingRichTv
3 жыл бұрын
@@ericsson_motorsports explain how both are different
@ericsson_motorsports
3 жыл бұрын
@@OriginalKingRichTv The small differences are the slightly reduced power because of emissions and different bumpers. Both of those are such tiny differences that it makes absolutely no sense to give the american AE86 a different name. Sure the VIN says AE88 but where it says MODEL it says AE86. Why would you go by the VIN and not the MODEL?
DEJA VU IVE JUST BEEN IN THIS PLACE BEFORE HIGHER ON THE STREET AND I KNOW ITS MY TIME TO GO
@Progressionmotorsports
7 жыл бұрын
CALLING YOU AND THE SEARCH IS A MYSTERY STANDING ON MY FEET ITS SO HARD WHEN I TRY TO BE ME WOAH
@MarcoAlcazar95
7 жыл бұрын
(SOLO GUITAR)
@drift3ighthysx54
6 жыл бұрын
CALLING YOU AND THE SUBJECTS A MYSTERY STANDING ON MY FEET ITS SO HARD WHEN I TRY TO BELEIVE WOAHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
@gunnroses9120
6 жыл бұрын
(Laugh In Japanese)
@rainretribute9852
6 жыл бұрын
dananananna dannnanehhh doo dooo dee dee danananaehhh
MAP = manifold absolute pressure, not mass air pressure.
@Progressionmotorsports
7 жыл бұрын
Has been noted on the video.
@Skwisgar2322
7 жыл бұрын
Ahh, thanks.
@user-cu1dz5io2i
6 жыл бұрын
D A N G E R T O M A N I F O L D
@Mr.4AGE
5 жыл бұрын
@@Progressionmotorsports USDM 4AGE uses an AFM not a MAF. While the objective is to end up with a measurement of the total amount (by mass) of air that is going in, the function and method of signal interpretation is entirely different. An AFM is not a "mass flow device." Air flowing through the AFM causes a spring-loaded "flapper" door to deflect an amount proportional to the dynamic pressure of air flow. The AFM sends both flapper door angle and temperature to the ECU in separate signals. The ECU interprets the flapper door angle as dynamic pressure and combines this with the temperature reading to determine the mass flow. A MAF is a "mass flow device." The ECU interprets the cooling of a heated wire element in the MAF to determine the mass flow. The lower the temperature, the greater the density, and/or the greater the volume passing over the heated element, the greater the cooling.
@Mr.4AGE
5 жыл бұрын
@@Progressionmotorsports This is also why you can clock an 4AGE AFM. It is a common trick used to make the engine run rich. you wouldn't be able to clock a MAF since there is nothing to calibrate and usually has no moving parts
Just one more note, the Australian "AE86" is called the Toyota "Sprinter". Also, this video was very well done! Somebody finally corrected the misunderstandings!
Very interesting. There are stock 86s selling here in China for 50-100k USD. It's absolutely insane. I am curious if they are Japan spec or otherwise.
@qhontholgaming2666
6 жыл бұрын
laowhy86 the fuck 100k usd..
@Compaxius
6 жыл бұрын
laowhy86 WOAH EVEN IN THE PHILIPPINES THERE WERE HALF OF 86S ON ROAD
@ayeena092498
6 жыл бұрын
I was hoping to see an s13 or any silvia on any convention just before i left the Philippines. All I saw was thots
@Compaxius
6 жыл бұрын
who thots car girls?ofcourse thots and others are not thots
@thumpertorque_
6 жыл бұрын
We meet again C-Milk!
Excellent. When I bought my 84 GTS coupe new, very few people were doing so, it was a big deal to the few of us who knew what these cars were, and its so cool to have these facts sorted through.
Thanks so much for this it has really been needed, hope it gets tons of views! I was even thinking about making a video like this out of frustration.
All 86s need love! Great video full of many valid points that needed to be made. :)
Great video, great explanation of the mixup of all the different markets of the 86
Excellent video my friend! You definitely know your stuff! thumbs up!
Very educational! I always wondered why my SR5 said AE86 in the VIN after watching the regular car review video lol.
Great video and excellent points. I spent a good part of my childhood in Japan and learned how to drive there. When I was a kid (I'm 40 now) everyone I knew made a distinction between the 86 and the 85 (myself included). But I never really understood why. The chassis was the same. The differences were in the engine and other drivetrain components and interior. Basically all the differences were stuff that could of been unbolted and swapped out. In high school I had an R31 Skyline Passage GT Hardtop with an RB20DET and my dad had a standard R31 Skyline Sedan with the single cam RB20E. But no distinctions were made about those two versions of that chassis. Even though there were clearly structural differences between the hardtop and sedan models. They were both still R31s. So why is the chassis designation different for the AE85 and AE86?
awesome vid man super useful info
This is the video that introduced me to Mr.Regular's channel :)
YES! THANK YOU!! I have a EJ1 and that's what it will always be referred to.
Another side note about 2nd gen MR2's. Turbo = SW20 NA = SW21 Something to watch out for if someone claims to have an original turbo car.
Love that intro with the super eurobeat tune :D
Basically, if I buy an AE85... I can slap AE86 motor, suspension and drivetrain too?
@GTChucker86
7 жыл бұрын
Yep, that's what some privateer racing teams in Japan do back then, they buy a a bone stock AE85 and then modify it by dropping a 4-AG racing variant motor, racing coilovers, roll cages etc for racing use cause its cheaper that way than buying an AE86 that has a 4-AG already
@IdolMako
3 жыл бұрын
Still an 85
@ericsson_motorsports
3 жыл бұрын
@lPartyBoy69 You're the one getting facts from cartoons. There is a car known as the AE85, it came in both Trueno and Levin variants. You can not tell an 85 and an 86 apart from the outside except if you look at the rear axle because the 85 came with drum brakes, but still that can be swapped. Let me repeat: Levin and Trueno are COSMETIC packages. The AE85 could be bought in BOTH Levin and Trueno. The AE86 could also be bought in BOTH Levin and Trueno. I wish Initial D used a Trueno AE85 so 12 year olds wouldn't keep screaming about any Levin being an 85 on the internet
@ericsson_motorsports
3 жыл бұрын
Levin is not the same as 85, the 85 simply refers to a different engine and drivetrain changes. From the way you're taking I'll assume that you do not own a Trueno, even if you didn't just make it up then you are still very ignorant. The difference between a Levin and Trueno are the lights and some other small things, there is no difference in the drivetrain. A simple google search can give you that information
@ericsson_motorsports
3 жыл бұрын
@lPartyBoy69 That AE86 doesn't look very rebuilt and you could easily take it from the internet. Anyways just Google "AE85", it's not that hard to prove how wrong you are
I may not have gone so far as you yet, maybe I would, nice video man and nice very nice twiddle response there to someone who may not be the awake and sleep toyoda enthusiasts and drivers as us bro namath!! !!
Thank you so much, I know have a video to send to people that constantly tell me about my AE88 lol. Put this in my favorites!
Optional LSD?!? HELL YAH I WANT SOME LSD
S13 says PMS13 right on that plate there....@7:08
@Progressionmotorsports
7 жыл бұрын
As the Chassis Code. Sits there on it's own. Still not in the VIN. ~Cheers
@griplimit261
7 жыл бұрын
ProgressionD it doesn't have to be in the VIN to be what it is
@Progressionmotorsports
7 жыл бұрын
That is exactly my point. I was talking about Mr. Regulars perspective and how ridiculous it is. ~Cheers
@griplimit261
7 жыл бұрын
Agreed
The intro was excellent, take a like!
The start was amazing
as someone who did their own sr5 to gta conversion front to back, yes thank you.for clarifying
it said s13 right under the word japan on the plack but i couldnt see if that was part of the vin or not but it was there other than that i like your video man keep up the good work
My brother and I both owned Corolla GTS's. His was a loaded 85 and was stolen from a train station right next to a BMW. Mine was an 86 (both were hatchbacks) and lacked the sunroof, alloy wheels and rear spoiler. Mine was T-boned by a pickup truck after 16 years and 136,000 miles and still ran like new. I can't believe what these cars are selling for now. BAT had one with 220,000 miles in beater condition sell for $22,000 recently, twice the original sales price. Small factoid - the GTS taillights we're also used on the $80,000 Lotus Esprit.
it does say s13 in the 240sx, RMS13. in Japan the 180sx is RPS13 but there it's still referred to an S13 but technically S13 is the silvia body stile, if the 89-94 240sx came as a coupe with non popup headlights (flush mount) it would say S13. I own a 97 240sx and the firewall plate says it's an S14. the more you know...
@RaceboyYT
7 жыл бұрын
You sir have the most desirable usdm 240 and I plan on buying one soon any tips on what to look for on a Florida car
@griplimit261
7 жыл бұрын
Raceboy5512YT I would check the usual spots for a 240SX make sure it doesn't have rust on the strut Towers in the front, rocker panels, and floor boards even though it's in Florida. and I personally would look for one that hasn't been too modified and is mostly there with original parts.
@RaceboyYT
7 жыл бұрын
This one had a core support replaced because somebody backed into it but I also get a duraflex kit that fits for free
@RaceboyYT
7 жыл бұрын
But I looked at it and it had no rust from what I could see
@RaceboyYT
7 жыл бұрын
I ended up buying a 1982 BMW 528e for less so thx anyways maybe I will buy a 240 someday but not today I guess
im looking for one of these cars. and what you are saying here makes me feel better man
Great explanation!
Thanks for clearing that up. On almost all the 86 videos I've seen on KZread, this is the same arguement in the comments section. I hope everyone is paying attention hehe.
Instant like ! 2:18 that's the kind of reaction I love when driving my FRS (they just have to look)
I had a dream 4 years back that I had an 86 parked on my driveway and I have wanted one since. I have only watched initial D 9 months ago making me want it more.
3:49 the licence says 'Dakumi' instead of Takumi XD
@dusterpl6093
3 жыл бұрын
Ąąąą
with the s13, it says "PMS13" on the plate, which refers to the JDM model, the USDM one is "RMS13". so yes, it does say S13, it just had extra code in front of it to indicated where it is from
2:55 VIN isn't US only. We have VINs in Australia
Totally agree with you great job
Where did you get the bumper on your 20v ae86?
Here in Australia the AE86 only came out with the 4AC, T50 and S series diff. No VIN, only the frame number and model number both which contain "AE86". The difference worldwide between them all is what they came out in the local market with; whether it's a 3AC mounted to a K50, a 4AC mounted to a T50, a 4AGE with either a T50 or A42DL, S or T series diff, solid or vented front discs, drum or disc rear, the chassis and body are the same.
OH LOOK RCR IS FACTUALLY INCORRECT WHAT A SURPRISE! Besides that, nice 86 you got there and thank you for the video.
Either way, these cars are all gold. It sucks to see them slowly leaving but it is what it is.
so wait do u have to 86s? because the one ur driving in this video is white. the one u flipped was grey and ur putting that engine in the red corrola so do u have 2 corrola right now? (3 if u include the flipped one)
Can you tell where I can buy one of these, I can't find where online
Where was this filmed looks like Newark or Jersey city?
well i was gonna say this, I live in the Philippines, so sometimes I saw any original AE86 has a left-handed steering by swapping from the right to the left after importing from Japan so I'm lucky that i see those but the AE86 in the Philippines is an imported car you can allow to import so the steering wheel is the only changes through the AE86
MANIFOLD ABSOLUTE PRESSURE
@John.strong
7 жыл бұрын
i was just about to comment this anyone with knowledge to use google could figure this out
@Progressionmotorsports
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks. It's been noted. I've heard it being said both ways (especially when comparing the two sensors). But it seems people prefer this abbreviation better. Cheers~
We have vin's in Australia as well:)
I wish there was more love for the next gen Trueno, the AE92. It may be FWD, but it's still so much fun to drive. Although the only problem is that they are rare, even in Japan, making it hard to find parts for. Especially when it comes to the JDM Trueno front bumper, which are almost impossible to find :(
Thanks for clearing this up! I see a very familiar photo at 6:28. I vividly remember shooting that photo: and you know what? That AE86 managed to do 400K and is still on its first paint. The engine needed a rebuild though... I have a question though, that you may be able to help out with: there is a difference in the size of the windshield between Japanese and EUDM models: the JDM is slightly higher. So anyone in the EU ordering a windshield for their JDM AE86 will have a big issue. Since you have access to both USDM and JDM, can you measure and see if there is a difference between those as well?
holy smokes this video was healpful
I remember on my old one the gts in Canada not sure if the same in the use nut there is a place where it's actually mark on the firewall ?😢it's been a while I miss that car so much
That suspension on the race car! 😲
well done!
yo, i have a question..from where you have LHD Trueno? In Czech (i live there xD) we have LHD cars and i love Trueno..where i can found one?
@dan_lazaro
7 жыл бұрын
Martin Dufek here in the Philippines we get LHD JDM cars because in Asia its cheaper to overnight the car from Japan than to overnight to America then to the Philippines so ya I see a lot of 2 door coupe Levin 2 cities from my place
@m50turbo
7 жыл бұрын
thanks..so when i'll be able to drive, i should make trip to Philippines, right? :D
Sad that Toyota stop making the Corolla GT series, and Celica too... :(
+ProgressionD 3:55 what is that magazine called?
4:45 i could look at that shot all day. Pure Toyota goodness
very well done!🤓
*Subscribed * I like to learn more! what is the difference in racing of gear ratio between modern corrola and previous corrola to that of which it's performance on track and street racing. that being in Hawaii as there are roller coaster hills which would have thee advantage a RWD or FWD?
what kinda recaros are in your USDM ae86? I like them
nice video. I just wanted to point out that a VIN number is not just a US thing. We use them in the UK and Europe.
awesome!
I'm looking forward to seeing an Nissan Sylvia S-12 .
Are the bumpers painted black on an Initial D replica or are they just left as plastic?
What steering wheel config would the drift king do better in? A LHD or his native RHD?
"it's everything you say to do" Confirmed! this car is the future.
This is great
I want an 80s rwd Toyota so bad. My old neighbor had an 82 Celica Supra. Very pretty car.
@Goofyaah23
6 жыл бұрын
James Dean Youngs YOU BETTER BOUGHT TOYOTA MR2
at 7:03 similar misconception that S-Chassis face as well as the 86. RM|S13 is the code for USDM hatchback S13 with KA24 DOHC RH|S13 is UDM hatchback S13 with SOHC M|S13 would be a USDM coupe S13 with a DOHC KA24 etc. S13 is always part of ID number, it's just in the mix with the other option letters. (only bare "S13" chassis code would go to an option-less Silvia coupe with a CA18DE)
I agree with your reasoning in referring to the car by its model (AE86), but your assertion of "inconclusive" is incorrect. The points in question are definitive and factual. "Irrelevant" would better suit the case you're making. The fact that the VIN describes the vehicle as "AE88" is *irrelevant* due to the fact that the production model number clearly labels it as "AE86."
@Progressionmotorsports
7 жыл бұрын
Indeed! Thanks for pointing this out. There are plenty other points that suggest this. But, many people still believe otherwise just because a well respected figure made a statement that stuck to them. It's hard to convince people who previously didn't know much about these cars and stumbled upon a video that made a bold statement. Then having me come in a couple years later saying differently.
@penguinmaster7
7 жыл бұрын
it also still uses the ae86 chassis. only the VIN says ae88, but for what reason, i'm unsure.
@parabellum_1416
6 жыл бұрын
Goggles Tigerkhan Because the US Automotive industry likes to screw with people who appreciate Japanese cars.
@derekzoolander452
6 жыл бұрын
Goggles Tigerkhan same model different year. Thats why they made the AE86 black edition in 87 or 88 as a farewell to the ae86 chasis
Good video.
I need to show my friend this.....
86 following in Ireland is still pretty big despite most decent examples selling for over 10,000 euros
I'd rather have the JDM variant, but that's for practicality given I live in the UK where right hand drive is the norm, trying to drive on the left hand side would be a little foreign and unusual to me so I'd rather stick to what I learnt in.
Just making a statement since we forgot to point this out the other very small difference between my jdm one and you usdm one. The rear corner lights that was a usdm only thing.
I like the opening song
well done.
now... real question... where can i get the left hand drive gts trueno? i dont feel like importing shit. plus lhd feels more natural to me.
Proper clarification. Still not a big issue either way. I particularly liked the USDM ae86 sr5 fail
So does that make my Australian delivered eg5 vti the same as an eg6 sir?
What's the intro song again
Great, now do one on the USDM integra. At least you can make Integra GS-R owners feel as if their cars are as special as the authentic JDM Type-r's.
are u from hk ?
bravo sir
Nice MKIII! I have the same wing.
A VIN isn't "confidential". You can read it right through anyone's windshield, and it's illegal in at least some states to obscure this number so police can't read it on a parked vehicle.
I like the regular car reviews. never really cared when he stated that the gts is not a real ae86. I just enjoy driving around my Corolla.
So what I can gather from this video is... the VIN is irrelevant. And all AE86's can be referred as such. I noticed this in my AE92's VIN. It reads, "AE98" but the model is still AE92. Also is there a way to convert from a MAF to a MAP setup? Would that even be necessary?
Euro beat!!!! have not heard that in soo long!!
I'm sorry for maybe stupid question, but do you have any forum or group where you actually share information about AE86..? Like tuning it and so forth.. for now this is too expensive for me a bit, I have lot things to do before buying Trueno.. But this day will come and I'd like to know where can I get help of enthusiasts.. :)? Especially when I'm not an expert in engineering, I'd like at least to know I'm I doing this right or wrong. For the first project I've started for something newer like Nissan Almera N15 GTI. It's a bit tricky to find (a healthy one), but I've manage to find it, also as a donor for it. After I'll finish that one, next will be Trueno. Finding a donor will be nearly impossible in my location (Baltic states)... So yeah :) Please advice me some where all Trueno enthusiast are hidden :)
Perfect music choice in the beginning :)
I'm not the only one with a miku fig hanging from the visor!!!
From the Regular Car Reviews video I understood it in the way that there is very little difference between the JDM and USDM AE86, but guess that's not what he meant.
You live in L.I ?