Garbaj is the only video game tech guy that can say “boob” without any jokes or other implication and have a reason to do so.

@meehdrescher

2 жыл бұрын

agreed

@GoofierClock

2 жыл бұрын

'Should of just use 'breast' but ok.

@drsipp407

2 жыл бұрын

@@GoofierClock or “chest”

@christophermoore6110

Жыл бұрын

Garbaj is no normie

@gordonfeetman5306

Жыл бұрын

2:04

never thought i'd see a low poly dva in my life

@garbaj

2 жыл бұрын

there's already a bunch of "other" fan made models of Dva out there, so a low poly one doesn't seem too crazy

@p0xygen

2 жыл бұрын

@@garbaj uhhhhhh

@NicknamingName

2 жыл бұрын

@@garbaj please no you brought back an awful memory

@tralphstreet

2 жыл бұрын

@@NicknamingName Sure, "awful".

@ratmeat161

2 жыл бұрын

@@NicknamingName omg!!! Lewd content1!1!1!1!1! How shocking!!!

Also, an important thing to mention was the resolution we were using back then. On something like the Crash Bandicoot clip you showed in the beginning, there's a noticeable low resolution, and also a lot of the things I feel a lot of developers get wrong is that they're focused on making things look "crappy" and not really thinking like a 90's, early 2000's developer trying to push the limits of what was available back then. Instead of trying to make a the game look dated, they should probably more look about how they tried to make dated games look good despite the limitations at the time.

@garbaj

2 жыл бұрын

lots of small developers are making retro inspired games that take advantage of modern tech and the results are really cool

@DeltaNovum

2 жыл бұрын

@@garbaj Vampire survivors is a good example. That game is so good/addictive that most of the achievements (even one's that take quite some time) are around 70-90% done by all players). You won't see anything flashy, the game looks pretty garbage tbh, but holy hel is it fun. It does use newer ideas, technology and peformance of modern day hardware under the hood.

@ariasdad

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, many developers try to look janky on purpose. Especially artificial texture warping, it never looks like psx's lack of z-buffer effect.

@xXYannuschXx

2 жыл бұрын

"they should probably more look about how they tried to make dated games look good" - Like old 2D console devs using the effects of CRT TVs and monitors to dither the sprites.

@exterminator9676

2 жыл бұрын

Don't forget the aspect ratio!

I want to see someone explain the look of classic 2004 world of Warcraft, which used low poly models but I think it also had some unique lightning choices depending on the zone you were in.

@officialsquadrilogystudio

2 жыл бұрын

This KZread channel does minute long Blender Tutorials. Perhaps this clip will point you in the right direction. kzread.info/dash/bejne/X6mYo7uIk6mZYpM.html

@DeltaNovum

2 жыл бұрын

Old WoW used baked lighting and post processing to make it so. The rest is just artistic touch. Edit: like WoW having very stylized handpainted textures.

@hirzanabqary

2 жыл бұрын

lighting*

@elfwarlock

2 жыл бұрын

@@DeltaNovum thanks for the reply. I will have to look into those things.

@elfwarlock

2 жыл бұрын

@@officialsquadrilogystudio the video was helpful, but I don't think I understand why many models are made with triangles instead of quads. It just seems like more work and alien but it might animate better idk?

They also all used Gouraud shading, which is where the surface normal is only calculated per vertex, and smoothed across the polygon. Modern gaming engines use per pixel shading which was basically impossible to do on hardware back then. this alleviated the flat look of just basic ambient lightning, as it's very fast, but it isn't accurate.

@lifeartstudios6207

2 жыл бұрын

just brought this up in another comment, love you for knowing about this

@Vatharian

2 жыл бұрын

In some cases, Goraud was still too expensive, there were many debates of pros of higher poly flat shading (vector games come to mind vs lower poly Goraud. Sometimes it was all done in prebaked textures. When Phong was introduced, most of the hardware at the time was unable to process that much data smoothly (if I remember correctly it quadrupled memory bandwidth requirements for shading, while looking only marginally better, especially on low poly models). Introduction of shaders and explosive growth of computational capability of GPUs that came with it was truly refreshing!

@warlockd

2 жыл бұрын

@@Vatharian Yea, I grew up on voodoo2's and as a kid playe with glidegl. You had limited light sources and I don't think hardware shadows. Its funny how thats now unlimited all dependent on raw gpu resources.

@lifeartstudios6207

2 жыл бұрын

@@Vatharian so using today's modern hardware do you think goraud would be a better approach some cases

@chloewebb5526

2 жыл бұрын

@@warlockd at 13 I got my first PC, some HP Pavilion in like 1998, which wasn't exactly for gaming. One of the things my friend and I upgraded it with was a Voodoo3 (i remember it being the fancy version of the voodoo3 card, but not what it was called). The card alone was super expensive, and I'm pretty sure the PC was like $3,000. That thing kept me playing PC games and emulation for a while. There were some interesting ways that games were working back then. Shadows were becoming a more common in 3d pc gaming, but they could really tax the system.

One thing I’ve noticed that’s missing in a lot of PS1-styled games is the lack of pre-rendered CGI sprites and billboards. Of course the low-poly environments and characters are a major part of the iconography of the 5th generation of gaming, but I feel like people seriously overlook the amount of pre-rendered CGI that was shoved into literally every game of the era. From Crash’s Wumpa Fruit, to Resident Evil’s backgrounds, pre-rendered CGI through billboards or sprites are an integral part of the PS1 aesthetic, and I feel a lot of games stray away from authenticity when there’s absolutely 0 pre-rendered CGI to be found. Something as simple as pre-rendered item icons or character heads for the HUD would do so much to immerse yourself into believing the game was made when developers were desperate to make their games look as 3D as possible.

@scaryhobbit211

2 жыл бұрын

And most often - including in 3D platformers on the N64 like Mario, DK64 and Banjo - the collectibles that lie around on the 3D map are flat pre-rendered pixels themselves.

@lazyox

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah back then there was not much choice to add detail in a scene, also round objects could just use sprite instead of a 3d mesh.

@warlockd

2 жыл бұрын

Your not wrong. Humm I bet you can get ps1's compresson effect though a well programed shader and do a "high poly" cgi render of a cutsceen.

@chloewebb5526

2 жыл бұрын

This. This drives me craycray in games like that. I still make building sprites for SimCity4, and in order to do that I need to reate the buildings in 3D Studio Max, and then make a sprite from each corner perspective. I also nearly the same process to get any other sprite that I use in the game. Always pre-rendered in 3DSM. I used to prefer to use Blender, but it doesn't play nice with the old software for creating SimCity4 content. But I love getting these pre-rendered sprites, as well as the process of making them.

@kasuraga

2 жыл бұрын

the prerendered backgrounds in final fantasy are incredible and I agree, it's something I feel that gets over looked when doing the PS1 aesthetic.

The other thing you didn't mention is that directional lighting makes low polygons count more noticeable, by highlighting the hard edges of the models where light reflects at different angles of incidence. It's particularly noticeable at 2:35 where you can see how D.Va's face looks like an origami, whereas as soon as you switch to flat lighting, the angles suddenly vanish into a much more uniform and smooth shape. Directional lighting doesn't only hurt a retro game's aesthetic because it looks more graphically demanding, it also actively hurts the illusion of low-poly models from looking more detailed than they actually are. Low poly models rely entirely on a flat lighting in order to work, whereas directional lighting needs a higher polygon count to round up hard edges in order to not look ugly.

@h0ppip

2 жыл бұрын

this is true, but it can be mitigated by using smooth shading which would hide these effects pretty well even on low poly models. that said, it wouldn't help selling the retro style so it's not really relevant

@garbaj

2 жыл бұрын

like h0ppip mentioned, smooth shading fixes that issue very easily. Directional lighting WAS used back then, just not as often as it it used now, and smooth shading was required to avoid that exact issue you mentioned

@HyenaBlank

2 жыл бұрын

To me, it kind of looks like he had left the model with flat shading too instead of smooth shade, making those edges stand out more.

@TheInevitableHulk

2 жыл бұрын

Great post, it kind of reminds me of how you can pre-render 3d models as sprites, but instead, the flat lighting lets you "pre-render" lighting as textures.

@Marcos42563

2 жыл бұрын

@@garbaj Smooth shading is also cheaper to render - sharp edges require duplication of vertex data when sending it to the GPU.

Don't forget to turn off mip-maps (unless going for N64). The PS1 rarely had mip-maps so you were often staring at a lot of aliased pixels in the distance.

@ginogatash4030

2 жыл бұрын

That's more specific stuff you do to make stuff look more authentic, this video covered the biggest factors to make it look retro, just paying attention to the low poly models and fake lighting makes it look pretty good already, like an insane hd remaster or something, but stuff like mip-maps and Z buffer are a must if you don't want to settle for just an HD general retro esthetic, and want a game that actually looks straight out of the PS1.

@sulphurous2656

Жыл бұрын

@@ginogatash4030 I still think those are pretty obvious things to disable.

@lrgogo1517

2 ай бұрын

Which-whats?

@kimapr3817

2 ай бұрын

@@lrgogo1517 Mipmaps. Lower-res textures used when something is too small on the screen (far away) to avoid aliasing.

@lrgogo1517

2 ай бұрын

Aliasing... like, the opposite of "anti-aliasing"? Not sure what that means outside of the context of digital drawings... @@kimapr3817

I spent countless days on PS1 games while growing up and almost all of it has been burned into my brain. As a result, I can't help but notice 90% or more of these "demakes" fall short of really hitting the mark. Your video is a good step along those dev's journey to accuracy, thank you.

@IrvineTheHunter

2 жыл бұрын

What did you think of BBPSX?

@john_hunter_

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah they don't get it perfect, probably because game engines like unity & unreal don't allow them complete control over the rendering pipeline. If they developed their own game engine they could get it to look exactly the same. Especially when it comes to the ps1. You could probably do n64 graphics in modern game engines.

@aedd3307

Жыл бұрын

They all miss the dithering which is the most important part

@CatroiOz

5 ай бұрын

​@@IrvineTheHunternot even close to what an actual PS1 game would look like

@neglectfulsausage7689

3 ай бұрын

Its because of cathode ray tubes and scan lines.

I wish more indie devs paid attention to this aspect of retro graphics.

@uphjo6969

10 ай бұрын

@@jacobwhite7106 megadie?

@Dr.W.Krueger

4 ай бұрын

great, exactly what we need: more crappy faux low poly garbage clogging Steam and other platforms

@RandomiusBronius

3 ай бұрын

Pseudoregalia dev did.

The other factor, is that oldschool video games were designed for CRT screens - and used shortcuts to make use of the blurring effect on CRT to make the image better. It's why ports of say Sonic & Knuckles look blocky on modern screens. Because on a CRT, the TVs natural limitations actually added a smoothing effect

@Chelaxim

2 жыл бұрын

GBA on Wii U Virtual Console. Those games were never meant to be seen on a 70 inch oled 1080P display.

@uhhh_adam

2 жыл бұрын

Dithering. PS1 used it alot

@IrvineTheHunter

2 жыл бұрын

@@uhhh_adam Kind of, but crt tv's are really their own beast, not only do they have a natural dither effect, but they also have district black scan lines and "cells" that really help sell texture and distance in a way that's hard to do even in a photo on high definition screens.

@BaconNuke

2 жыл бұрын

I have heard about this, always tho it's like "was your old favorite game always this ugly?" and always the person is like "ya look how blocky it is" but only a few actually bring up that the games were made for the technology of the time and played into screens looking the way they did.. modern screens are just showing retro games how they weren't meant to be shown

@HappyBeezerStudios

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, that specific kind of blur and pixels that aren't proper rectangles but dots that blend into each other.

I just realized how much of a child I am 🤣 I laughed so hard when he said boobs

@lowtier6565

2 жыл бұрын

Same

@jaredtweed7826

2 жыл бұрын

Same, I don't know why I found it so funny

@priestofhiro

2 жыл бұрын

it's a funny word

@criticalhard

2 жыл бұрын

The way he said it like lmao

@Pargus

2 жыл бұрын

Sa.e

I wanted to add something that was used in most ps1 games : Dithering. The console stored 24 bits textures but rendered them on the screen in 15 bits. It was meant to give the illusion of increasing the the amount of colors with a shading effect, once again for Old crt tvs. It was smoothed because of the way our old analog signals worked : Basically it blurred and softened the picture. It prevented you from noticing the image flickering too. The final output was nice and smooth, you could not notice anything.

@wiegraf9009

7 ай бұрын

It's very funny that simulating this look requires adding in dithering and then applying a complex CRT filter on top of that so the dithering looks "correct." Essentially adding it in and then hiding it!

I would like to add a couple tricks about lighting. Since this video seems a bit more skewed towards the PS1 look than the N64 look (they are quite different), I've been doing some research to emulate the lighting and appearance of N64 games, but very specifically how Majora's Masked worked in order to get that moody lighting. You can still use directional lights to light your scenes, however there are two things to take into consideration. The more obvious one would be to disable the directional shadows. The second, and I think most convincing one to get that N64 feel, is to use Vertex Lighting. Not so much painting the lighting on the vertex colors (although this can also be used for further effect and combined with Vertex Lighting), but modern engines will calculate lights per-pixel, instead of per-vertex. While I don't know the specifics of how to achieve this effect in other engines, you seem to use Godot more, which is where I've been doing said research. This has to be set up on the materials, in one of their Flags, to enable Vertex Lighting. Doing so for every material in the game can be time consuming though, but fortunately there's an option in Project Settings > Quality > Force Vertex Shading that forces this option on all materials. Combining a rather low ambient light color to have at least a base color for shadows (seriously this is something those annoying unreal engine videos seem to just forget exists, pure black shadows are horrible), you can then add color with a couple of directional lights. There's generally always a white-ish one, and then one or two colored fill lights.

@jlewwis1995

2 жыл бұрын

In godot it seems like you can have your cake and eat it too when it comes it comes to vertex lighting, you can paint on or render on the static lighting then in game you can use dynamic vertex lighting for specific areas that need it

@eduardopupucon

2 жыл бұрын

you also need to crank the bilinear filtering on textures for the n64 look, and no rigging, each body part is it's own model

@venny1689

2 жыл бұрын

@@eduardopupucon The rigging is not exacly correct. You do still need to create rigs. While some early games had mainly segmented body parts, it was not exclusive. They ocasionally combined both deformations and segments even in the same model.

@rac1equalsbestgame853

2 жыл бұрын

@@eduardopupucon Some N64 games did have rigged models though

@lifeartstudios6207

2 жыл бұрын

I've been doing the same research in UE4 for Oculus Quest VR development research. I ported over ocarina of time 3ds and majoras mask 3ds and have a really REALLY good look out of it. Vertex lighting is possible, just need to vertex interpolate the data so it doesn't go through pixel shader. Also, the vertex colors channels don't properly convert to srgb color space, so you need to do some additional math to extract it properly. Then you need to multiply the result by 2 before adding it on top of your diffuse. I use the dot product of a fake directional light vector against the direction of the mesh faces to determine the brightness of the colors. This lets me have a full day night cycle and even do dynamic fake point and spotlights. It's such a great addition to the original art style. Adds a ton of depth to the original look and doesn't detract from the style. Planning on making a video about it at some point. would love to compare notes with you :) I have lots of pictures and video of the project here discord.gg/5vsuBkj

Turning off anti aliasing also helps, as well as taking down the resolution. I still think that's not enough because the displays we had back then (CRT TVs) worked very differently than the monitors we use today, so some people apply post processing shaders that try to replicate some side effects of CRT TVs.

@RAFMnBgaming

2 жыл бұрын

I imagine aiming to make your thing look good for a CRT display would probably be good for getting the feel down of that both for CRT users and for what someone using an LCD would see playing a game designed for a CRT. Kinda like how pixel art made to take advantage of composite blurring or not-square-pixel pixel aspect ratios is gonna have different vibes than pixel art designed for LCDs (like handheld games) or just to hit that "pixel art" aesthetic.

@fav843

2 жыл бұрын

Needs dithering

@DonVigaDeFierro

2 жыл бұрын

@@RAFMnBgaming If you make it look good on an LCD screen with low resolution (very important), on a CRT display it will look phenomenal. I've been playing some newer games on an LG CRT display, and they look absolutely amazing. Ace Combat 7 for instance, looks like a fucking movie. I believe it's also the reason why old graphics (really anything from before the year 2000) don't really "hold up" on modern displays. They were meant from the ground up to look the best on a 640x480 (perhaps higher) CRT screen, with all the quirks of the technology.

@wyntrheart

2 жыл бұрын

I personally like the look of low res + ~high~ antialiasing for retro style low-poly games. I know it isn't authentic but I feel like it makes a nicer image than low-res without AA and helps hide the "origami" look you get with too high of res. Its similar to the way blurry CRTs smoothed out games back in the day, but with better detail.

@Awakia1

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure about the PS1, but the N64 did support anti-aliasing alongside its strange trilinear texture filtering. So if you're going more for an N64 look there you go.

I think it's also important to note that the original PlayStation in particular didn't use floating point numbers in it's coordinates (if I'm remembering that right), and it also had built-in dithering.

@Berniebud

2 жыл бұрын

The PlayStation in general had no floating point math capability whatsoever. So everything was based on integers.

@joshuawalker7054

2 жыл бұрын

@@Berniebud Not just integers, the GTE used fixed point types.

@alexandernorman5337

2 жыл бұрын

That's right. It used 16bit fixed point words in all of the vector based math.

@KingBobXVI

2 жыл бұрын

Yes - the biggest effect of which was that it didn't do something called perspective texture correction, which is why changing the orientation of a quad would seemingly warp the texture in weird ways.

@patrickmcloughlin2954

2 жыл бұрын

@@Berniebud I thought it was just that 32 bit float wasn't precise enough, but good to know

mgs2 was one of the best textured games ever made, even to this day. they had wall textures that were "fully 3d" in that they showed very detailed elements like pipes and the shadows they cast on other parts of the wall. all of it was entirely textured

@satsubatsu347

2 жыл бұрын

There goes my "Delusional Kojima Fan" alarm.

@consulhunter7656

2 жыл бұрын

@@satsubatsu347 lol.

@HappyBeezerStudios

2 жыл бұрын

The time when bump mapping got big. I remember reading reviews of Doom 3 and was amazing over how good it was.

There's also the fact that these games were played on CRT monitors with much lower resolution which not only was made it easier to get away with worse graphics it was often intentionally used and games were specifically made with those kinds of screens in mind, so when you take it onto a much higher resolution monitor it's not having those same kind of filters applied and is going to look different.

Something I feel like a lot of people miss (even in the big industries) is the fact that old graphics weren't *just* 'low-poly'. It's incredibly noticeable in character designs like 'retro Crash Bandicoot' in the N.Sane Trilogy and related games. They show a really low poly Crash model, but he looks nothing like the real old Crash looked like, as a lot of it was done with a sort of squash-and-stretch approach rather than just low poly counts (as well as the fact that the Naughty Dog tried to fit as many polygons as they could onto the screen at once).

I’m not sure how I found your channel, I’m no game developer but I love watching how you explain things! Keep it up and when you do get your game going I will play it!

The TVs we used back in the day also played a part in the way things looked. You can boot up an emulator on a modern monitor and it will look nothing like the game used to.

@KingBobXVI

2 жыл бұрын

That's more the case for games with pixel art, less so 3d games. But yes, the bleeding between "pixels" and lines from CRTs could give the artists access to more apparent colors than you can see in emulators where they just slap the sprite on the screen.

@wiegraf9009

7 ай бұрын

You can get the same look with very sophisticated post processing effects like CRT Royale. The thing you CAN'T get is the motion clarity of a CRT.

@mr.jamster8414

5 ай бұрын

@@KingBobXVI It's the biggest difference with the N64 IMO. The anti aliasing looks horrible on an LCD.

There's something fascinating about the "Between Times." You know. The era of 2002-2005ish. Look at Doom 3. Everything is almost a Claymation like effect. Or Splinter Cell, with its insanely high detail look, the Xbox version somehow still standing up to this day... I'd say Crysis in 2007 ended this era of retro-but-not-so-retro 3D graphics.

@kasuraga

2 жыл бұрын

F.E.A.R i feel had some of the best graphics of that era. The lighting and shadows in that game were truly next level and brought my machine to a crippling halt at max settings.

@nickrustyson8124

2 жыл бұрын

Or look at Manhunt 1 or GTA 3, they are basically doing the samething many PS1 games did, but doesn't look like shit, unlike Manhunt 2

@eXiLe824

Жыл бұрын

I disagree, I would say Half Life 2 and the Source Engine ended that era. In my opinion HL2 is the first "modern" game. I remember being so blown away by the textures and physics when it came out. I know this is a cliche, but it looked real. I think what also separates HL2 from the other games you mentioned is that it still holds up almost 20 years later. Honestly, who's playing Doom 3 or Crysis 1 in 2022? They were glorified tech demos whereas Valve managed to apply their groundbreaking tech and build a classic game out of it.

@GiuseppeGaetanoSabatelli

Жыл бұрын

@@eXiLe824 I agree Half Life 2 had beautiful physics, but the world is actually extremely low poly and actually quite empty.

you also need to disable texture filtering if you're aiming for the PS1 look, and depends heavily on vertex colors when faking light sources. i'm working on a game heavily inspired by Medal of Honor 1999 and Medal of Honor: Underground and i was able to get a convincing PS1 look that REALLY ties itself together

@lifeartstudios6207

2 жыл бұрын

should make it vr compatible. would be perfect for oculus quest vr standalone. Can help you out with figuring that out if you want

@lukabrasi001

2 жыл бұрын

@@lifeartstudios6207 hah, i have a VERY barebones demo that simply showcases a still work in progress level. unfortunately i'm not good with programming and scripting at all so i have this big jank mess that just happens to resemble Medal of Honor. but yes!! VR compatibility was planned because i want to feel the environment around me to relive the good old memories just as i remember them

@lifeartstudios6207

2 жыл бұрын

@@lukabrasi001 what game engine are you using?

@lukabrasi001

2 жыл бұрын

@@lifeartstudios6207 Godot, i figured it's still new and promising, being completely free and all of that. besides, it gives me a good foundation on retro looks for some reason. Unity has this "stock unity" look that is really standard, i didn't like it. and UE looks oversaturated with lots of post processing and i'm like... why all the horsepower for such a simple game?

@lifeartstudios6207

2 жыл бұрын

@@lukabrasi001 you can disable all of that stuff with unreal. I find unity a lot harder to tune. Personally I would love to go to Godot but there's so many things missing from there that it would be very hard for me to learn and or do stuff from the ground up

Please keep these up! I'd be down to have a super fun, yet accessible PS1 graphical tutorial series done by you! (maybe one specifically on how to model characters, construct them and texture them in-depth: a bit more in detail than the old one)

You forgot to mention CRT interlacing and other features of that type of display those cannot be (sort of) emulated or recreated on LCD displays, like natural anti-aliasing as the effect of luminophorous screen layer not going to black instantly. Also dittering everywhere.

@AlexK-jp9nc

2 жыл бұрын

Alex K.

@consulhunter7656

2 жыл бұрын

He stated he wanted to keep it simply "leaving" those out.

@cinemint

2 жыл бұрын

Admittedly, some people (I'm one of those people) are more interested in emulation of the raw output than the full experience. I'd love to make a game that would look identically to if someone plugged a PS1 into a modern-day monitor, vs. trying to look like what people remembered PS1s to look like on CRTs.

@HappyBeezerStudios

2 жыл бұрын

So including line doubling to make it even run on a modern screen?

I wanna see a fully detailed world that has modern design sensibilities but is done completely in faithful PS1 style graphics.

@hppvitor

2 жыл бұрын

We might've had something close to it if they went through with the original plan of releasing Shenmue on the Saturn instead of Dreamcast.

@theartofmashing4915

2 жыл бұрын

@@hppvitor I mean like Dying Light 2 but on PS1. Shenmue had a lot of neat world detail, but it's gameplay was still super limited. I wanna see animators make a block ass character move smoothly through a highly detailed environment.

@HappyBeezerStudios

2 жыл бұрын

Design sensibilities like holding a button instead of bumping into the wall to activate a door?

@nickrustyson8124

2 жыл бұрын

Project Zomboid kinda does that

@ZagorTeNayebo

2 жыл бұрын

Look at the Bloodborne Psx demake

2:05 top 10 moments

Really enjoy your videos. You have a great mixture of game knowledge and soothing commentary! Would love to see you do longer 10+ minute videos at some point.

As you touched on briefly, the PS1 was limited to only be able to do graphical calculations using whole integer numbers instead of floating point values (numbers with a decimal) so often you would see pixels jump back and forth in whole movements instead of smoothly/with aliasing

Another important thing to note is that UV seams and especially sharply shaded edges were often avoided because, to the GPU, a vertex can only have one normal, one UV, etc. So to pass that information to the GPU you'd (and still do) have to duplicate any vertex with more than one UV or normal on it. This is why almost no games that are *actually* old use flat shading. It's very expensive.

@henkle1610

2 жыл бұрын

on the ps1 the point about duplication being slower isn't entirely true, since the GPU only takes in a list of 2d primitives (quads or triangles), that each contain a set of 3/4 vertices, so for the GPU to draw them the vertices have to be duplicated regardless. it's true that flat shading can be more expensive though. if the amount of vertices is less than the amount of faces, then smooth shading will naturally require less lighting calculations.

@travcollier

2 жыл бұрын

That general principle is true of a lot of things actually. The legit 'retro' way is actually harder in many ways. Progress was often about making it easier on the devs. I remember when games switched from sprites to 3D models and went from 5 or 6 CDs back down to 1 or 2, yet had substantially more game content.

quick and to the point. I liked the info dump you told me what I wanted without padding or filler. thank you. subscribed.

I love how short yet precise your videos are man 10/10 Love it, keep it rocking!

Ah cool; I wanted to make something with that ps1 retro look. Good tips. I'd also add that it looked like the model's vertex normals were copies of the face vertex normals (making them look flat). You can average the normals of the faces surrounding each vertex to make a smoother shaded version which also resembles results of fake lighting.

I love your tutorials! You made my introduction to Godot very very easy! I would appriciate if you could make a tutorial about sliding that goes with your fps controler! Thanks!

Thank you. Can you show how to animate the facial textures? Also, I'd love to see GC era, such as Custom Robo, Megaman X Command Mission, Pokemon Coliseum, and Tales Of Symphonia.

Great job on this video! I'd love to see an explanation like this on the N64's texture smoothing.

What I like to do is use shaders to make my characters fullbright with vertex wobbling and all that while leaving the environment traditionally lit and solid (still with sharp pixely textures though). Not only does it improve readability by having the enemies pop out from the environment but it also has a cool stylistic look.

I love it when retro aesthetics are still being applied even to today in small indie projects or otherwise.

This has all the components of an amazing tutorial: - Short - Demonstrative - Before & After - Examples - Live Editing - Simplifed - Good explanation

@zainmushtaq4347

3 ай бұрын

First time I'm instantly subscribing :)

That was so interesting and informative for such a short video! Good job!

Hey Garbaj! Just wanted to let you know, this video showed up briefly on the Film Theorists channel at 15:50. It was brief but you were still there! I recognized this video, and it also showed your channel name. Keep up these amazing videos!

Check out the recent "Powerslave Exhumed" release by Nightdive, or at least the Digital Foundry video on it. They've done a great job at reproducing a weird combination of the PlayStation and Saturn original version, and a good deal of it is the rather unique subtractive lighting system that game had on Saturn giving it a really strong, high contrast look. It also has options to reproduce CRT effects, affine texture warp and fixed point transform vertex wobble, which are all mostly really good and work well together to make it feel a lot more like playing the games in that era, and not like coming back to a modern port of an old game (it doesn't have an option for 20 FPS with drops, though, like the Bloodborne demake!) It helps it's just a great game too: like a way before it's time Metroid Prime.

Was honestly surprised the video was this short, but that means you able to keep it short but informative. What I’m trying to say is: nice job!

The video is really interesting. I would be very pleased to see more stuff from you about vertex wobbling and all the stuff you talk about at the end of the video.

2:05 peak game development

@sock7481

2 жыл бұрын

it was so unexpected lol

@timhedgepeth

2 жыл бұрын

@@sock7481 we were all thinking it but he just went and said it

@Nafiur13

Жыл бұрын

he Isn't dirty minded and he thinks saying it is normal lmao

It was really common back in the day to shade polygons based on their angle to the camera

Super great video ! Thanks for explaining some of this and look super awesome I would love to learn more about video game designing

Very informative. I learned recently about the dithering the system did by default. It was a clever way to sorta blend colors to trick your brain into seeing smoother graphics.

@HappyBeezerStudios

2 жыл бұрын

Especially on a CRT with interlaced screen draw and color artifacts from using a composite connection. All kinds of stuff that turns dither and to gradients and transparency.

I admire the determination of developers looking to recreate the look and feel of a console generation. Although retro+ (idk what people would call it, retrowave is taken by music) where they mimic the look and use modern tech to enhance it can create some cool results. A lot of these games look amazing with just a few tweaks, and like in the video, it's mostly lighting, shadows and some anti-aliasing. Soul Reaver on the PS1 is an amazing game, then you take the dreamcast version, spruce it up a hair, and it looks like an HD remake, or at least how my brain remembers it when I was younger.

1:05 I remember importing KH2 models into unreal for fun for the first time, it was horrifying! XD I'm still wondering how they made all their hand-painted stuff look so good, faking all the shadows, lights, etc. for characters on PS2, like, was painting directly on the model a thing back then?

Thank you for the explanation! I was curious about this stuff.

short and straight to the point. Love this :D

There's also the fact that 64 bits consoles used Gauraud Shading, while more modern engines use phong shading, env mapping, antialias and render much more polygons than the ps1 / n64 / saturn..

@lineriderrulz

2 жыл бұрын

You make a really good point. I work with an open-source derivative of older Game Maker versions and have dabbled a bit in the 3D side of things, using my own software to create the models. It seems like it would be fairly easy to create something with an N64 aesthetic given the lack of getting all those frills you mention out of the box, although I lean more towards a classic DOOM aesthetic. I have only used Unreal Engine briefly and never Unity. Now here's the crazy point I'm getting to: if there's a bunch of extra stuff you have to disable to develop low-poly in Unity and/or UE, does the lack of these features in Game Maker or at least older versions of it make it worthwhile to use over these newer and more advanced engines?

@henkle1610

2 жыл бұрын

​@@lineriderrulz i'd say using unity or godot still makes sense, since the effort required to write a few custom shaders that emulate these old consoles' graphics is still far less than the effort required to essentially write your own 3d rendering code from scratch. although unreal engine would probably require you to reverse engineer the entire thing and swap out the renderer for a literal ps1 emulator, so at that point you might aswell write your own game engine. as a side note, what's this open-source derivative of game maker you mentioned? sounds interesting.

@lineriderrulz

2 жыл бұрын

@@henkle1610 Thanks so much for your opinion on the matter. I think what you say makes a lot of sense. Game Maker does have 3D support out of the box, and even shader support, but the features to make the most out of it at least in the versions I know of are limited. If you want a perfect 3D collision detection, resolution, wall sliding system, you would have to roll your own or reuse someone else's work, and then you lose the benefits of rolling your own. I've faced such a challenge for a while, and as someone that sucks at matrices, trigonometry and honestly just maths in general, it's a nightmare. There's plenty of literature out there on how games have achieved it, but all of it is too complex and mathy for my little brain. The open-source derivative of Game Maker I'm using is called ENIGMA, it stands for Extensible Non-Interpreted Game Maker Augmentation. It converts code written in its own language to C++, then compiles it. The performance gain is great, while keeping most of the simplicity of GML (it's supposed to be backwards-compatible). A couple of warnings if you do want to try it: first the syntax is based on old Game Maker versions from before GMS 2, and second it can get a pain to get from nothing to running a game if you're using Windows - you may have to mess around a lot with installing and uninstalling different Java and MSYS2 versions as well as checking out different branches and revisions to find one that will actually work in Windows.

@henkle1610

2 жыл бұрын

@@lineriderrulz yeah I've done a bit of 3D in GMS2 (which doesn't sound much different from the version you're using) and the thing is that you basically lose out on all the engine's features. there's no 3D scene preview, no LODs or frustum/occlusion culling, so complex scenes are a no-go, no collision detection or physics like you mentioned. at that point all the engine provides is the scripting language, a window to render your 3D objects in, and a way to get user input. if you're making a 3d retro style game and you *really* want maximum authenticity in both gameplay and graphics, it might actually be a good thing since you can create the stuff like collision detection and rendering optimizations from scratch to closely match how they did it on the original consoles. but if you're making something that just looks retro minus the gameplay jank of the time, or just any other type of 3D game i can recommend Godot. it's got a steeper initial learning curve than something like game maker, but it makes up for it by just giving you so many tools and features so you can focus entirely on making your game without having to create your own physics or UI or pathfinding or whatever systems. it has its own python-inspired scripting language called GDScript, but it also supports C# and has a C api meaning any language that can interface with C can (and probably will) have bindings available for it. that also means that if you're felling particularly unhinged you could probably jerry rig the ENIGMA language & compiler to be compatible with godot. also, it's free and open source and runs well on every platform

Place a round dark grey circle in the ground where the character is standing and you have everything.

This was very helpful, I’m working on a game going for a bit of a Nintendo DS appearance, and the thing about the lighting being most important for achieving the look of limited 3D will be good to keep in mind.

Brilliant video man!!

They also used baked lighting, albeit low resolution. And in my opinion, even this low resolution form of light baking looks more pleasing than some games today that have dynamic lighting and shadows simply because light baking/mapping is more accurate.

2:05 why is this so funny

@not_necessary5096

2 жыл бұрын

What else is he supposed to say 😂😂😂

@NecrisNayra

2 жыл бұрын

fr

Was always interested. Great explanation!

Nice video, keep up the great work!!

Garbaj, where is your Godot networking tutorial?!

Somethings you forgot to do, bake the ground's lighting, you only drew shadows on the walls, gotta do the ground and cieling too, add a circular sprite that always gets drawn on the ground unter the character, the character needs their own shadow, and a low rez circular transparent black circle drop shadow, is what you see in most games, sprites are cheap, go nuts, if it's one of the closer LOD models, draw the little circle shadow. Last thing, you shown PlayStation look, it's pretty cool, but you forgot N64 look, remove the worble and posterization effect, blur the fuck out of the texture, add a bit of antic anti aliasing, You now moved from PS1 style look, to N64 style look. Gotta blur these textures and smudge these jaggies. PS: Also, old PC games, limited colors, low framerate animations, no worble, no anti aliasing, no texture bluring, crusty AF bilinear anisotropic, no interpolation, funny screen borders so the game is sent to the screen in native resolution, but 3D scene is lower to gain some frames back and sweet sweet early Direct X... I mean, Direct 3D and early OpenGL effects.

i know you skipped over the other stuff that really sells the effect, but I would really love to hear your explanation on those as well-- honestly I really want to make games in this style, and I'd really appreciate a nice tutorial on capturing this style

I think its smart what you did, create a ps1 model of a trendy modern-day video game character and explain how lighting masks the polygon shape in a manner that gives it the retro look. Great work! A new meta format for videos looking great

Based on all of the information I've absorbed about video games over the years I've learned that lighting is probably the most impactful single factor when it comes to graphics.

Me in 2002: Can't wait for the future to play games so realistics. Me in 2022: Bruh i love my modern games with ps1 graphics.

Such Garbaj. I love insight like this.

I love this, it's so cool! I remember reading a post by an engineer once, explaining that the reasons pixelated games like the original final fantasy games, looked more detailed was also due to the CRT monitors and their different refresh rate technology, on top of the low resolution. developers had to be creative and crafty to achieve their vision with such limited technology, you can definitely tell which games were made with passion in that sense

Honestly you kinda nailed the explanation

I still have hard time believing that the Playstation does all of its 3D using only fixed-point 16-bit integers. Floating point math is an extravagant luxury that we take for granted

@kasuraga

2 жыл бұрын

the fixed point integers is why the poly's wobbled too isn't it? from bouncing between those rounded numbers?

I recently got into Blender, wanting to use it to do some concept art work, and I find that videos like these, even if I'm not looking to make game assets, are so interesting and fascinating. A different side of the work that I love.

That was very short and straight to the point. Thank you.

How would someone recreate Mode7 in modern game engines? For people who don't know Mode7 was used in the SNES days to create 2D sprites that could be calculated in such a way that they looked 3D. For example Mario Kart SNES or Star Fox.

I would also think a lower resolution would help with making the models look more "authentic", as well as the positioning of the camera. Zooming up close in 1080p, and the video being really crisp instead of blurry emphasises the low poly nature of the models, whereas if it was 480p blown up, it could look more like the original. Also they could change the models on the fly based on the camera (sm64 used this) where it was basically unnoticeable to the player.

@KasumiRINA

7 ай бұрын

In fact it's possible to make internal rendering resolution low (like 250p, 360p or 480p up to 800 x 600 to 1024 x 768 of old PC aesthetic) while keeping overall screen res higher. Most emulators function like that, and some PC ports (Metal Gear Solid 2 comes to mind) had separate sliders. So having a pixelated lower res can be done without forcing modern displays to switch and screw up desktop and apps like Discord or Steam.

@wiegraf9009

7 ай бұрын

A good CRT filter can take advantage of the higher resolution you're upscaling to as well!

There's also a huge difference between flat polygon shading and Gourard/interpolated. PS1 had dynamic light in many games used in limited way - Tomb Raider 2 onwards used flares and gun flashes, and you can clearly see some fighting games have smooth polygons while others have corners pop out more.

Your video is very informative and to the point. A+

I feel like now, in modern days, retro graphics from yesteryear feel more like an art style to me than the "standard". Given our grand advancements of technology, we can make our games look like most things we want, either super realistic or, in this case, like ps1 graphics. One game that I enjoy that does this this style in a bit more modernized way is ULTRAKILL. It has many characteristics of ps1 or late 90's 3d game graphics but also has the joys of things like dynamic lighting, which is done to fit in a lot more with the games aesthetic. Though maybe the game resembles more of quake, it obviously has features that let you play in a ps1 style so I think it leans a bit more to that side as well. All in all, I believe you can do a bit more with the ps1 "look" as long as it blends in nicely with your game's aesthetic and doesnt look jarring. Though if you are aiming for accuracy, then Im not the kind of guy to stop people from doing what they want and enjoy :)

Checklist of stuff that I know should be used : Low-poly, No lighting, shadow baked into textures, No anti-aliasing, 256x224 resolution or 640x480 interlaced, either A: Resize/upscale to modern resolution without """improvements""" IE Pixel perfect, or B: CRT blur & rainbow banding as a post-process if you're feeling fancy. Frame rate was usually 60fps Buuuut that includes interlaced resolution meaning odd and even pixel rows updated on different frames, which looks super jank today. Honestly, I wanna see how you would do old-school CRT Interlaced video, followed by the blurring of how CRT handled raster graphics without true pixels, and the application of rainbow-banding.. That's what I really wanna see.

@dopaminecloud

2 жыл бұрын

Many games for ps1 never hit 60 out of over ambition. Hard to rec-create, essential for authenticity if you create very busy scenes.

@therealquade

2 жыл бұрын

I feel the need to point out that 60fps only ever really happened with interlaced video at full res, meaning half the resolution updates, then the other half. which today we might interpret as being 30fps with full resolution, or 60fps with the half resolution, which was tiny. Interlacing breaks the modern conception of "frames" Also, many PS1 games did still hit that 60FPS mark, including FF7, and anything that had pre-rendered environments with 3d models, or anything with fixed camera angles (to hide what was and wasn't pre-rendered.) At least, that's my understanding of it

@SisterRose

2 жыл бұрын

320x240(or 224), not 256, that's SNES resolution

@therealquade

2 жыл бұрын

@@SisterRose tell that to wikipedia

@SisterRose

2 жыл бұрын

@@therealquade "displays resolutions from 256×224 to 640×480" that's from, not either or. in practice very few games would have been 256x224 unless they were again, SNES ports or really trying to save frames. there are several "In between" resolutions as well. 320x240 was the most common resolution. Some of the 2D games like fighter ran in one of the inbetween resolutions.

Simple and fast explanation. Thank You. Great Video

This was very eye opening thanks

I'd like to see how someone would recreate Unreal Tournament 2003/'04 style graphics. Dynamic lighting was still used in every map, if I'm not remembering incorrectly?

@0lionheart

2 жыл бұрын

IIRC it was still baked, even up to UT3. In the editor you were moving lights around and they'd update in realtime, but you'd bake everything before you test the map, it wasn't generating shadows in real-time during play. A benefit is that it would simulate bounce lighting while baking so you could get much nicer lighting than why dynamic could offer at the time, the downside is that often the preview lighting you'd see before baking wouldn't match perfectly. Characters and first person models were lit by light probes I think, so sort of dynamic, I don't full understand light probes but it's some witchcraft again. Used to map for UT99/2004/3 so baking lighting is embedded in my brain, alongside having to make a second set of UV's for the lightmap bake. I don't miss that part

Hey man! I have a video idea for you: Why is the first person view in GTA 5 so bad?

Thank you for explaining this, to be honest sometimes even for someone like me who is quite clued up on how the numbers have risen on computers sometimes sort of forget what that actually means in terms of how we did, and really can still do alot of these techniques man. I'd say that's one of my pretty big takeaways from the "demake" community, new doesn't have to necessarily mean technologically superior, what we should be focussing on is ideas.

That was super interesting, thank you !

I would like the ps2 and the hd 2d graphics explained. People tend to jump from ps1/n64 to ray tracing.

@tiaoraitbg2347

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, either that or OG Xbox or Gamecube would be cool to have explained

@henkle1610

2 жыл бұрын

​@Facepalm Full O' Napalm it's harder to emulate the ps2 style because there's no "magic bullet" for it like the ps1. ps2 games basically just look like crappier versions of modern games, while the ps1 has such a distinct style that anyone can turn off texture filtering and toss on the first google result for "funny vertex jitter shader" and everyone will immediately cream their pants and scream "PLAY STATION 1!!!!!" even though an actual ps1 would just evaporate if you tried to run those graphics on it. information about the ps2's limitations is all you need. if you design your graphics from the ground up to fit within those limtations it'll look like something from that era. if you exceed them though it'll quickly just become "haha game with bad graphic"

@dylanroemmele906

2 жыл бұрын

​@@henkle1610 Yeah, no. This is just plain ignorance. PS2 games have a very distinct look. If you see a picture of one you know it is (unless it's the 2008 later half type.) Even people who never played those games know it's from that era. Think of Shadow of the Collussus, Silent Hill 2-4, Resident Evil 4, Bully, Metal Gear Solid 3, Psychonauts, God of War, list goes on. They all have that look that screams early 2000. To call them crappier versions of modern games is a disservice because all of these games I mentioned still hold up beautifully today (especially Shadow of the Collussus). The distinct look is Phong Shading, Grey or brown color filters, mid poly models, low resolutions, lots of bloom, fog, mostly pre-baked lighting, vertex lighting. It all comes down to the texturing work though. Textures make or break the PS2 aesthetic. Mostly Photobashed with handpainting over it, especially shadows.

@henkle1610

2 жыл бұрын

@@dylanroemmele906 by "worse" i meant worse fidelity, not worse "look." you're right that games from that era look very distinct (my comment initially mentioned that but i cut out some parts cause it was becoming a novel whoops), but.. variations of phong shading are still used today. grey or brown color filters are still used today. lots of bloom is still used today. pre-baked lighting is still used today. vertex lighting is still used today (probably not in the big budget photorealistic AAA games, but still). what i meant by "crappier versions of modern games" is just that that generation of consoles was really where a lot of the technologies & effects games still use to this day began. my whole point was that for people to recognize your game as emulating the ps2 look, you need to actually emulate the ps2 look, because there's no single effect the ps2 did that immediately makes people go "yeah that's ps2 alright," you need the whole package. meanwhile most "ps1 style" games really only turn off texture filtering and add a funky vertex jitter shader (bonus points if they actually get *that* right). if they're feeling real fancy they may turn off perspective correction on textures, without implementing the techniques used at the time to prevent excessive warping. everything else the ps1 did can just be ignored and people will still recognize the style. you can't get away with that for ps2 style graphics.

@dylanroemmele906

2 жыл бұрын

@@henkle1610 Ok I understand what you mean now sorry for the misunderstanding. Just want to point out though, an engine like UE4 and Unity don’t come with Phong shading and vertex lighting right out the box. I forgot to mention that NPC player models not being affected by lighting (Unlit) hence why you never see those dark shadows on their face you would otherwise see in a modern game.

I have no knowledge of coding or game modeling, so I am quite surprised that this trick of mimicking lighting is not a common knowledge among those who do graphic works.

awesome video, it's worth mentioning the how the z buffer is reacting as well which gives majority of the ps1 games have that buzzing looking. Keep up the great content!

This was awesome to learn, thanks dude

2:05 the what?

@captaineflowchapka5535

2 жыл бұрын

tha hugehongerpalucker

@7b3n36

2 жыл бұрын

the melons

@CosmizEve

8 ай бұрын

are you 5

@goofy9125

5 ай бұрын

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@goofy9125

5 ай бұрын

pogu

bro you got in a Film Theory vid

LMAO it was a great video but I didn't expect your avatarl at the end xD

You got that subscribe button hit bro, really interesting. I absolutely love retro technologies and PS1 for specific.

I always loved the ps1 graphics. I don't know why but they just look so appealing to me.

PS1 graphics was the GOAT

I always wanna hear Garbaj say "And as always, have a nice day. Thank you." the way LockPickingLawyer says it :D Every time the video ends...

I did not know about the in engine vertex painting. Thank you.

I hope you have a great day.

Low poly dva gives me life

1:07 Yesss perfect 1:44 That was genius what game developers figured out back in those days. 2:43 Okay how did you do *that* ?! Also I loved how there was no music for the entire video 💙 Instant subscribe.

really good job explaining everything. its hard to explain lighting without being boring 👍