Perhaps people need to remember that it isn't a d**k measuring contest, its about actually getting out and using the units for what they were intended. If it functions, and provides capability that you didn't previously have then its a huge win, leave it at that.

This is EXACTLY why I’m here. Be informed, bold, speak truth, and build trust. It’s how we need to behave in our community. God bless you and thank you for sharing with me.

💯 I’ve used L3’s at work. When I bought my bino’s with photonis I was worried at first. But really, they’re great.

@billydanzz

6 ай бұрын

That's good to know. I've flown with L3 units and recently had the opportunity to look through their "super gain" tubes and thought I'd never be satisfied with any of the lesser priced options from other manufacturers if I had to spend my own $$$.

I went with the elbit xlsh that I got on a screaming deal but heavily considered the photonis. They seem like really solid tubes with great contrast and great value. At the end of the day they all allow you to see in the dark. I’d love to see a video explaining what you believe are the the area’s that each tube shines/strengths compared to alternatives

I’m a recent pvs14 owner with a 2100 FOM Photonis tube (custom NV) It’s incredible and to anyone on the fence that can swing it, get one! It’s a super power.

@johnnewisland7720

6 ай бұрын

Same, I got a 2407 FOM 4G echo. It has 5-6 extremely small faults in the a/b zones so I got a killer price too. Even with faults, you have to spend time to find them against a wall and when in real conditions you never see them. I posted the specs and test image around the webs and people still said I overpaid for Gen2 night vision and that in complete blackout Harris and elbit guys would smoke me. Lol

@markanthonypar-wise1499

2 ай бұрын

​@@johnnewisland7720yeah lol . Got a 2100 FOM echo from Steele industries. Love it I've taken quite a few walks with it it's so nice .

Night vision has been an industry that's been gatekept super hard with people that have financial incentive to keep it that way. I'm glad to see night vision becoming not only better, but more affordable too. This superpower isn't for the rich, the elite, or special forces anymore. Now if only laser modules could keep up :P

@aesthetic8780

5 ай бұрын

Laser speed, my friend :)

Photonis tubes are going to start suffering under extreme low light conditions before elbits and L3s will. Its a fine tube for flat range shooting, but theres a reason why L3 tubes exist.

@PhotonisDefenseInc.

5 ай бұрын

This is simply not correct and only illustrates points that the video is making. You have an open invitation to our calibrated dark room at Photonis Defense in Lancaster, PA. There you will be able to run whatever L3 tube/NOD combination you wish and we can demonstrate to you that you'll still be able to see with your Photonis NODS at levels where you cannot see your hand in front of your face. There is a reason why Photonis sells more image intensifier tubes world-wide than L3 and Elbit combined, and the reason is that they work extremely well in ALL light conditions.

@dd-km2ne

5 ай бұрын

@PhotonisDefenseInc. if you're serious about that offer I might take you up on it, depending on gaps in my schedule

@turdferguson2863

5 ай бұрын

Now I wish I got a photonis instead 😂

@musicman1eanda

5 ай бұрын

​@PhotonisDefenseInc. I grew up near Shady Maple. I'm definitely gonna have to try and stop by for a visit when I'm back in my home town!

@RunningWithSauce

2 ай бұрын

You need to stop listening to reddit and facebook. I run 2600 FOM Photonis units and bring them to Night vision shoots monthly with 30-40 guys showing up each month. We literally compared a high spec 2700 fom L3 WP tube to my Photonis tubes in no moon cloud cover way out in the country (Glencoe MN shady lane range) and the difference on details an contrast of the environment and targets were not noticeable at all from 0-100 yards out. We compared to the targets at 200 yards and the L3's just barely edge out on detail at those ranges. Quite literally people see my tubes and are blown away.

The statement that photonis out perform L3 sounds like an unnecessary misleading statement. Almost a lie. But, the statement that the value of a photons tube for your dollar is very very valid.

Id like to see a video on what it is about Elbit/L3 tubes you dont like. A nice comparison would be really cool

My photonis went out during a night vision class. Photonis then accused me of mounting it on a gun so they wouldn’t honor the repair. Luckily NVD who sold the unit was there and my instructor who saw me with the unit and trained me with the unit knows in all my night vision classes I took I never mounted the device on a weapon. Their headquarters is in France they still said no. Luckily night vision devices did the repair for me but I did purchase another pvs-14 with a elbeit tube. I have taken only one class with it so no judgement on it yet. My photonis works but I don’t trust it

@YeetCannon254

6 ай бұрын

Know how I know you're a liar? Because their HQ is in PA, and all U.S. service is handled by them in PA.

@willieluv

6 ай бұрын

@@YeetCannon254really? I never mentioned location but if you must know I can give you the PA address. Also the night vision class was in Lebanon PA with lodestone tactical. Perhaps instead of calling me a liar 🤥 you should shut the fuck up and know what you’re talking about.

@cwp86

5 ай бұрын

@@YeetCannon254 I just googled it, the "Photonis Defense" subsidiary is based in Lancaster, but they are HQ'd in France. All right on the website and easily found via google.

The generation of tube is absolutely relavant due to the longevity. Gen 2 approx 5k hours to Gen 3 @ 10k hrs

@hcm5467

6 ай бұрын

But where do we put 10k hrs gen 2 photonis tubes

@Arkayne

6 ай бұрын

Based on what? Because Photonis cannot be classed as Gen 2 OR Gen 3. The construction of the tube falls outside of the militaries classification of generations. It isn't Gen 2 OR Gen 3. It's a totally different construction. Photonis tubes will outlast L3 and Elbit in almost all scenarios for a host of reasons. This is ESPECIALLY true of L3.

@PhotonisDefenseInc.

5 ай бұрын

Photonis tubes are rated to 10,000 hours for all military procurements. Our newest tubes out mid-summer 2024 are rated to over 20,000 hours.

@musicman1eanda

4 ай бұрын

​@@PhotonisDefenseInc.Do your 4G tubes have better performance/life than your echo tubes?

@PhotonisDefenseInc.

4 ай бұрын

Generally speaking, if by performance you mean tube specifications, then the answer is yes. @@musicman1eanda

Ive bought a photonis echo from Steele industries and i always thought I was i guess "under powered" and lesser and "gen 2+" . Thank you for the clarification. Here are the specs for my nods. LP- 68 SNR- 30.92 EBI-0.19 FOM 2102

@Kaotix_music

5 ай бұрын

Just curious...did you ever actually compare your device with someone with an Elbit thin filmed or L3 Filmless device? Because to me it was absolutely night and day when i went to a course a few months ago. The next day I bought an L3 tube to swap out my photonis. I know where hes going with "L3 just falls short in some places" I really do. I noticed those short falls pretty fast. They will blem alot easier. They ARE prone to burns much faster. You should defintely consider an IRIS as light increases in your enviornment so less light is hitting that microchannel plate. But my goddddd low light performance was just intense. Im not even talking about indoors with little to no ambient light...im talking outdoors. All tubes are going to struggle indoors with no ambient light and youll need IR for all of them...but outdoors with my L3 tube felt like the sun just came back on compared to my photonis tube. As far as the short falls with a Gen3 tube with blems and burns being easier to get...what i have noticed and ive asked around in forums and FB groups if others experience the same is - it seems to happen only the first few minutes a device is first turned on. After about 2-3 minutes, it doesnt happen. If a really bright light streaks across your tube - yea you get a very small streak but it disappears in seconds. Theyre more prone to damage 100%, i wont deny that. If you learn to just use it properly youll never have a problem. Im not saying right away go and change out your tube to something better. Youre NOT "under powered", there just "different". If a photonis tube is meeting your needs? No need to change it out. It just wasnt meeting mine

@markanthonypar-wise1499

2 ай бұрын

​@@Kaotix_music Yeah I understand. I also was on a budget and knew I didn't want to go into debt for this because that's just ridiculously retarted. I bought mine on sale and with the extra cash I was able to get an ACH used, a mount ,and j arm. Also I think the performance to price ratio photonis definitely holds it's own. I think the night vision community is pretty snobby like the gun community when u don't have said x product then u suck and you'll die .

I've seen some garbage gen-3 tubes, I've seen some garbage echos... I've also seen dudes spend years nerding out useless details and never get NODs at all, never get thermals, and just waste all their money on another redundant meh AR build with a fugazi optic or a gucci pistol they can't shoot. If more dudes got a chance to test out decent "middle of the road tubes" there'd be a lot less obsessing over minutia. Shopping for nods is hard because most people can't really check them out in person, out in the wild and really see what different devices are capable of.

You haven’t tested the new photonis 4g+ high gain tubes with roughly 87k gain, they just came out and are wp. Photonis doubled the gain levels recently in their milspec tubes to meet requests by some gov agencies. You really need to get a set and compare.

@dimemmo

6 ай бұрын

This is exciting, love photonis I just have the echos but damn are they crispy.

Some of your points are invalid . I’d t rather have an L3 unit 100 percent over an echo tube . If the lights to much use an irs lol . L3 is 100 percent better. I’ve looked through all nnvt4 tubes echos elbit and L3 the echos looked the worse outa all them besides the nnvts. The L3 ovi looked better then all them . I just got elbits after all but it’s kinda hard for people to go out and get elbits with this market.

You always get these types. Gear snobs. I have crazy equipment like Scars, Spears, etc... I have quads with L3 Harris tubes (not GPNVG). I paid $13,500 for the tubes alone. But that doesn't make the tubes the best. The tubes are all around mid to high 2400 FOM and +35 SNR. When I drive with them on, they are WAY too sensitive to oncoming lights. I have to drive on backroads that are less populated than scenes in post apocalyptic movies. I tried to drive to work one night with them on using all backroads. I gave up after about 30 minutes because I had to keep flipping them up and down with one hand. Imagine going around a corner and being hit with high beams with nvgs on. They get temporary burn ins almost INSTANTLY to even small illumination; tv screens, phone screens, light posts, etc... My unit has no manual gain either so... There is nothing wrong with photonis tubes if they have good specs. A few months ago I had to tell some guys at a range to buy what they could afford. I just took things to an extreme because I love this stuff and will make crazy sacrifices to get it. The gear shaming stuff is crazy. I didn't know Photonis was in Lancaster. That's only an hour away from me

@Muricanwerewolf

6 ай бұрын

I'm in Lancaster all the time, what the heck! I had no idea either.

@Arkayne

5 ай бұрын

Yep! Another PA company right here!

Great content!

Thanks for the video! I bought steel industries photonis pvs14 and I’ve honestly been really impressed, one of the things I like to do with NVGs is leave all the curtains closed in the morning then do every day morning stuff like making Coffee, I feel like it helps a lot with just becoming more comfortable with it.

Just ran across your channel for the first time. I like how you roll bud. Sub'd

This dude probably has better margin profits on selling Photonis.

@Arkayne

6 ай бұрын

Profit margins on nods are a joke. We make WAY higher margins in our other companies. But we feel Nods are important, you're spending a ton, so you should have access to the truth. Which is what we provide. This isn't about money.

@samthetoolman8068

Ай бұрын

100%

Falconclaw is a great source for comparisons between these units. They've got one comparing Photonis Echos and 4Gs and another comparing Echos with L3 or Elbit Gen 3s and another foreign company's Gen 3. Overall, Photonis looks to be a great option. Thanks for the insight on how the Gen 2 vs Gen 3 stuff works, helps put into perspective on just how seriously I should take those when I'm reviewing specs

Subbed, appreciate the info. 🤙🏼

I am considering photonis for my next set of tubes, currently running an elbit. I think you are wrong however in saying L3 isnt the best, I can easily identify the tubes just by the color of the phosphor (L3, Elbit, Photonis). NVG is not a linear curve when it comes to price and performance. Yes you can easily get into some photonis or even cheaper tubes like the new chinese NVT but they are not "better" than elbit or L3. Some people really want the best and are willing to pay for it, nothing wrong with that. It's like why people can pay for sig romeo for $100 or buy a T2 for $800. They essentially do the same thing but there is slightly more capability and combat proven with the T2. That is worth something. It's on the end user to decide what that is worth, but its ridiculous to say the T2 or L3/Elbit tubes aren't better. Again I am considering photonis for my next set of tubes because for my use case I don't need to see in near black out conditions. I can just use an active illuminator to supplement. However if it were my job then I would only pick L3 or Elbit for those slightly better low light performance. But most of us aren't tier 1 operators so yeah the photonis would probably be okay for 95% of civilians. Just my 2 cents. Great work and discussion though.

@aesthetic8780

6 ай бұрын

With 4G you will see the same in pitch black like with any gen3 tube. Nothing, or just a little. Its proven. Im a NVG seller from Europe and i looked through every available tube on the market. Go get your photonis! ❤

@RunningWithSauce

6 ай бұрын

@@aesthetic8780yep. The person you’re replying to drank the koolaid hard. My photonis tubes outperform my buddy’s elbits by a long long way. It’s not even close. My set is 2600 FOM , his 2200 Elbit. Specs matter.

@dimemmo

6 ай бұрын

You can’t really argue that you knew which tube was which based off of the color of the phosphor screen because it all varies on the camera you are recording or taking a picture with. I can take several pictures of my tubes and have a different color for each photo.

I spoke with Ethan little while back, and was trying to get some vypers. He was so awesome, so knowledgeable and patient given it’s my first NVD. Well, had to buy from someone else just because of payment options. They are 2500 fom with 33 SNR, and love them! I don’t know shit, but I think they are awesome. Wish I coulda got them from yall, big supporter. Hard to find people who tell the truth and don’t feed you gucci shit you don’t need. Trash talking “budget” gear is the garbage, so thank you for being honest

@mrgrump2534

28 күн бұрын

Can’t imagine doing a payment plan if I couldn’t afford it I just would wait and save up you no

Get what you can afford and run it. Don’t put it up in the safe and let it sit. run your gear. Whatever you get, you’ve made and investment, use it.

I just ordered my first unit back in Dec. Cant wait to receive it. So far my experience with this company has been nothing short of awesome. Very happy I chose them. If your on the fence about it just do it... Cheers 🍻

Glad someone finally said it publicly

Well put

I recently got into NV with a WP Elbit PVS 14 and it's great! I'm already looking into getting a second similar spec PVS 14 to bridge or trading up to binos with Elbit tubes. Is the versatility of a dual 14 setup worth the extra weight?

This is fantastic.

Did you run into lifetime issues with any tube type? I did see a video from harris that showed a photonis tube being half the performance after 5000h, while their gen3 tube was still the same. On the other hand, I see videos of people with filmless gen3, who run around in urban environments. And I think, that can't be good for the tubes lifetime either. I remember that one guy, who did a unboxing and first use video in his well lit neighbourhood. He managed to get permanent burns on his L3 filmless binos. They where still there in following videos.

You forgot a very important group of NVG users and those are your military veterans or SWAT veterans. We have hundreds if not thousands of hours behind military or LE issued NVG units. I’m prior military and used PVS 14’s when I first got assigned and then PVS 31’s when they became available. I don’t know what tubes were in them because they just issued them and I sure don’t remember ever seeing any tube data sheets. I currently have BNVD 1431’s with Elbit PH tubes and really like them and have awesome EBI and Resolution.

@musicman1eanda

4 ай бұрын

What EBI do they have that you're happy with? Trying to decide between L3 or Elbit.

@HenrikSherwood

Ай бұрын

@@musicman1eanda anything under 1.0 is awesome, but in like 90% of scenarios you're not gonna notice the difference from 1.5-0.5. I would recommend you get the lowest you can though

Phennnnnmomal video. Love what you guys have to say -Walsh

I just barely got a pvs-14 with an L3 Omni VIII, tube that I absolutely love. I got it for a great price and am super happy. That being said, the NV industry itself needs a freakin kick in the teeth. So much elitism and gatekeeping going on. I probably could have just as easy had all my needs met with a Photonis or even a Chinese NNVT tube. Nice to see a vendor go against the grain a little bit.

Agree with 99.9% of what's stated on this video. Having used devices with all kinds of tubes (Photonis, Elbit, L3, Harder Digital, even NNVT), I'd say it all comes down to which environment are the tubes going to be used in and what kind of scenario we're talking about. Personally, since I use my NVs in wooded areas in Scandinavia, I prefer having Gen 3 tubes in my devices, just because the amount of nights with darkness levels at NL4 or NL5 is so frequent, that a tube like Photonis leaves a bit to be desired in the forest. If you have a mixed light scenario, Photonis tubes are the best, hands down. Very informative video, keep up the good work!

What part of PA are you guys in? That Sheetz looks just like the one I was at in Scranton lol im sure most of the sheetz are the same model either way though

I have only looked through 3 PVS14's. A high spec Green, A high spec white. Both of these tubes a buddy owns. I used the White one for a couple of months before buying my own. I went with a Gen 3 White Phos AGM. Auto gating....I have no idea what tube it uses. It has a spec sheet. That being said my unit was about 1/3 the price of the other units but performs just as well. It has a more audible whine than the others. It has a few more blems too. That being said it will do anything they do and I caught it on sale and paid less than 2k for it. I drive with it, shoot and kill Texas Wild Hogs. Just as good as anybody using my Streamlight VIR2 that this channel turned me on to.

@mrgrump2534

28 күн бұрын

Where did you find the deal?

@UncleDanBand64

28 күн бұрын

@mrgrump2534 Able Ammo Huntsville Texas. They are more or less local to me. Unfortunately my guess is it is not that price now but, might be. Now they have a really nice on-line with a nice website so, you can check. Really good gun and ammo prices by the way. Tell them I sent you and they will charge you double 😀

Do you think the jerry 31 gen2 white phosphorus setup would be a good choice for amateur/entry level use?

i love this guy . tell it to

Lol poortonis. I have photonis and found this funny :-D But then I don't get butthurt and just wanted something to play around with and use for work in differing lighting conditions

I'd like to see you have this discussion with someone well regarded in the industry like Augee Kim, or some form of subject matter expert rather than just making shit up.

Y did he say get l3s with no gain and burn ur retna out? Asking for a friend

@cranberryrelish1179

Ай бұрын

It's on full brightness all the time you can turn down brightness with manual gain

Thank you for all the info. I am new to this and open to the options. When I buy I will buy from you all.

Thanks for the no bs video on NV

So I have two PVS-14s duel mounted. Left is Elbit 2016 Omni 7, the right side is a 2013 ITT Omni 6. The ITT tube gets almost no streak burning and it’s older while the newer higher spec tube, gets streak burning all the time. If somebody would’ve told me this when I bought my second tube, I would’ve preferred an older or a photonis tube.

@revvyishonisd5027

6 ай бұрын

It’s not a generational or newer or older thing like he said. It’s a tube to tube character trait that isn’t measured so it’s not on the spec sheet. But all tubes will have different resistance to streaking. It’s like fixed pattern noise. Some tubes have it worse than others. Some don’t have it at all. It’s random. And it’s also not a big deal either. Streaking isn’t damage.

@jurpo6

6 ай бұрын

@@revvyishonisd5027yup and some tubes have loud ass autogating whine and some have none. Just get omni for cheap and run them hard. 👍👍

I love my photonis echo WP tube. I got so freakin lucky, bought a mystery meat AGM pvs14 on tacswap for $1200 and a glock 19X. Didn't have a clue what the tube was. looked at an angle into the back lens and saw the signature dotted lettering of photonis. this video makes me feel alot better about my purchase. I now have a dual band setup thanks to the content you guys have put out. Armasight sidekick 640 with a photonis pvs14. what a setup, makes hunting and patrolling so much easier in the woods behind my house and I feel like the king of the night. mouthbreathing redditors haha love it.

I really want photonis Tantos to build later into dual tubes. A little bit hesitant without the manual gain.

I just paused to say I think Photonis makes some nice tubes. 4G seems Very robust from what I've seen & I kind of want a set even though I already have ELBIT YH 2400 FOM WP in DTNVS.

Yooo I live in PA tooo

Most of the info I get is from YT and reddit, I have no idea but everyone wants the $5,000 L3 tubes so it’s really cool to hear you like Photonis better. And they are made in France

Photonis is in Lancaster?? Holy shit haha Im in gettysburg.

Yes sir, got a pvs 14 with photonis, very clear

@marshallwebb7050

6 ай бұрын

What are the reasons you chose this version? And what do you use them for? Airsoft or for real applications. I'm not a troll, I just want your opinion because I'm thinking of buying one.

You are right . I agree with you 100 percent

Haven't watched the whole thing, just at the initial 'which is which' and I guessed right at about 99% accuracy- only because I've watched so many comparison videos and I could tell from the blue/white hue differences lol.

I always look to you guys and cold harbor for night vision info. They're wicked science nerds about stuff but are honest as fuck. You guys are the average Joe approach to things but have a vast knowledge pool to pull from. Love this. Honestly my mindset is the ability to purchase tubes I can upgrade off of. (Prolly the nocturn pvs14s that bridge perfectly) and not paying for them over the next 6 years so I can buy more ammo and eventually property to turn into a range. That's a better investment mindset imo

I heard the other day that the jerryc5 clip on thermal only detects people upto 100 yards when clipped on to night vision tube. Is that true?

@revvyishonisd5027

6 ай бұрын

Idk about only 100 yards but generally clip on thermals that interface with i2 are fairly low res sensors. Like the kind of sensor that would come in a sub $1000 monocular, but since they’re a clip on they become much more expensive. So yes they aren’t the best thermals, but they still give i2 a great boost in detection capability.

I'm waiting for holosun NV glasses

I don’t even know my specs 😂. I look through toob, I see light

Well ..I have to disagree. When looking at highlight objects, not all gen3 Elbit or L3 tubes leave temporary burns.

“ see you every or most tube out there ah ? “ challenge to you good sir. Have you seen though Czech NVG tube? I just learned Czech also make NVG. 😮

You'd be the fella to ask - How do Photonis tubes perform with FP VCSEL LEMs - MAWL-DA, for example? Cheers!

Seems like I heard that NODs could be built with Photonis tubes that aren't subject to ITAR. If that's true that looks like it could be a major advantage for Photonis. How about cold temperature performance differences? I can't find any data from either L3 or Photonis about minimum operating temperatures on their current spec sheets, but some older Photonis specs suggested that the tubes would only operate above -20 C. Quite a number of electronic systems won't work at those temperatures, but still the DOD often requires performance down to -40 C when it's achievable.

solid, solid video, breakdown, and information dude! - (Happy) 31a owner.

Ok, I don't know jack sh!t about tubes- I'm new to this obviously. And I'll admit, at first, I was thinking maybe I'm in the wrong place... not because I thought you were talking about male enhancement or hair regrowth products for the first few minutes, moreso because I can't sprint 50 yards anymore LOL, but I am 51 with lower spinal damage. So since I've been around a while, I've figured out that MY opinion isn't nearly as relevant as I dreamed it was 20 years ago, so I just chilled out and listened to this guy, who is obviously EXTREMELY passionate about his product line and how things related directly to it are perceived. It was refreshing to see that, definitely will be looking into Arkayne's optics, thermal and/or IR products

I run Omni V tubes in anvis 9 katanas. Never feel limited.

Bro I'm saving for some photonis tubes right now Ive seen enough data that I'm a believer

My biggest flex is that I paid for my Photonis Vyper duals in cash, unlike 95% of redditors who took out loans for their 31As.

@EmpTy-kf2rq

6 ай бұрын

I paid cash for my 31As. FYI, it’s not a flex by saying that.

@YeetCannon254

6 ай бұрын

​@EmpTy-kf2rq lol. No you didn't. Stop coping and trying to justify going into debt. That is, if you even own any NV 😂

@jetburrito5205

6 ай бұрын

@@YeetCannon254 mogged fakecel NGMI

@ctommurphy

6 ай бұрын

​@@YeetCannon254paying 12k cash for night vision isn't that hard.

@Knuth938

6 ай бұрын

​@@YeetCannon254Flexing like 12k cash is a big deal. Bahaha. Pleb.

Lancaster what I’m from Lancaster that’s awsome

What causes the L3 tubes to burn out?

@thomas7293

2 ай бұрын

I think he was talking ablut streaking if the tube which is caused by oversaturstion of the MCP.

Well said. Thank you for the honest review!

whoa man i got knee injuries not fair

Those gosh darn local airsoft matches

I've heard photonis is going to be hard to come by pretty soon and a lot of dealers are pushing nnvt Chinese tubes

And I just dropped $5k today on a kit with a New Gen III Elbit Tube.. hum

While, I agree saying gen 3 is instantly better than gen 2 is a nebulous/broad thing to say, but I've personally only ever call a tube gen 3 due to being a GAAS photocathode production and gen 2 being multi alkali metal photocathode production.

To summarise 1) Don't get ripped off by "tactical" companies selling you crap at a high price 2) A gen 3 tube won't always better than a gen 2 one 3) There is no "Gen 4" tube 4) Photonis don't make gen 3 tubes 5) Gen 3 tubes perform better in complete darkness 6) If you are in the US, you have a massive range of new and used options for cheap, that the rest of the world don't have because of ITAR.

👍

Will you guys be exploring more from NNVT?

@aesthetic8780

6 ай бұрын

Pls

now do lasers

Would 100% get 16bs if they were at a better price point. If I could scoop a set around 7 I’d be in.

@Arkayne

5 ай бұрын

We have one set that is in marketing that we could sell for a really good price. BUT keep in mind: They're worth every penny. The all aluminum construction and the fact that they are TINY and high performance completes an amazing package. If you're serious about a used set that is in near perfect condition, email us: CS@Arkayne.com

Does anybody know what kind of tubes are in an ATN PS 31?

@HenrikSherwood

Ай бұрын

elbit thin filmed

@briankudalis9572

Ай бұрын

How did you find that out?

@HenrikSherwood

Ай бұрын

@briankudalis9572 there's only one thin filmed gen3 white phosphor tube manufacturer and that's elbit

@briankudalis9572

Ай бұрын

I got the gen 4 unfilmed ps 31 It's charteuce color like a greenish yellow . It was the best one they had . I got that because of the adjustable diopters instead of a pvs 31 .

@briankudalis9572

Ай бұрын

I have an ELBIT thin filmed white phosphorus pvs 14 and an L3 unfilmed white phosphorus pvs 14 too and the ps 31 is like the L3 unfilmed but in greenish / yellow color.

Does it work? Can I afford it? I'm good....

It is unlawful to: Spotlight wildlife while in possession of a firearm, bow and arrow, or other device capable of killing wildlife. Individuals who have a License to Carry Firearms permit are excepted, but only regarding their carrying of firearms authorized by the permit. Most sporting arms are not authorized. Spotlight wildlife during the regular firearms deer seasons, including those days separating the seasons, as well as any late extended firearms deer seasons in the Special Regulations Area counties. Restricting spotting during firearms season acts as check against poaching. Cast an artificial light upon any building, farm animal or photoelectric cell. Recreational spotlighting is lawful between sunrise and 11 p.m., except as previously noted. Spotlighting includes handheld lights, accessory spotlights on vehicles and vehicle headlights when intentionally used to locate or view wildlife.

Im european so photonis is most often THE ONLY OPTION. First unit ever being act dtnvs with 1600 fom echo.

Doesn't gen 2 have half the life as gen 3?

@PhotonisDefenseInc.

4 ай бұрын

No, all Photonis tubes meet MILSPEC of 10,000 hours and if you were to run your Photonis tubes for 10,000 hours you would also discover that they have less degradation at that point than a comparable GaAs tube.

@LaserlessNV

Ай бұрын

⁠@@PhotonisDefenseInc.where can we see your data on the degradation curve of your current HyMa tubes compared to GaAs from Elbit and L3?

@PhotonisDefenseNightVision

Ай бұрын

Basically you won’t see that. We will point out that thin film tubes or filled tubes were developed to prevent premature degradation of GaAs tubes. Photonis doesn’t use GaAs, therefore our tubes are truly filmless. Any GaAs tube, even those listed as filmless, will have some type of film. All MILSPEC tubes will last 10,000 hours which for most civilian users means they’ll practically last a lifetime unless you use your NODS a lot. Our newest tubes last 20,000 hours.

$11,990.00 reduced to $10,500.00?

I appreciate listening to you, you heart seems to be in the right place, I plan on starting out with a nvg30, and a bumphelmet off of amazon and a somogear peq15, for now my goal is dinner plate accuracy in the dark at 100 meters.(for under $1000) I agree with you, a lot of gucci operators that look down on us poors. Thats ok, if I had the cash I'd go gucci too. But if I can protect my house/family/neighborhood for a grand, that will work for me. If not, I'll eat the crow and upgrade until I can achieve my goals. Thanks though for your contribution and thoughts, thumbs up, subscribed. Any thoughts on my approach?

People who can’t sprint 50 yards aren’t able to open their eyes?

Slow clap 👏👏👏

Photonis and the echos gen 2 tubes, I gotta say I love them and gen2+ stuff idk why but my buddy has 1 p43 and a p45 nnvt tube autogated and those north tubes aren't bad either I know gen doesent mean much but people see it and freak sometimes but there not bad honest to God.

@aesthetic8780

6 ай бұрын

Yes, those nnvt tubes are XD-4 photonis technology! 1:1

@dimemmo

6 ай бұрын

What is this grammar…

@justaregularguy3827

6 ай бұрын

@@dimemmo what is this post?

Why do you charge $150 for 1 hr phone call?

@Arkayne

5 ай бұрын

We charge $150 for a phone call with a night vision/thermal expert in order to save the caller hours of research of their own time. Just figuring out what you want can take hours of research and it typically ends in more confusion. Our customer service is still FREE (emails with questions can be sent to cs@arkayne.com) but we wanted to add a service that is highly valuable to the customer and allows them to explain their needs to our experts and allow them to help.

And here I am just wanting something, cos it's better than nothing

Not far from lancaster, how can myself and group help support you?

I am 50 years old and can run a 4:30 mile. I run a half marathon every weekend and have since I was medically retired. That being said the 2600 FOM Vypers you guys sold me absolutely crush my Gen 3 Omni 7 tubes. Facts. Especially in low light. Thanks for being the voice of reason. My favorite thing when I was on the fence was Ethan telllng me if they didn’t do the job and they remained in new condition y’all would swap for Elbit. No need. I put on a set of Elbits swapping with my buddy’s and the vypers destroyed them in low light even. (2200 FOM elbits).

@aesthetic8780

6 ай бұрын

Of course. Elbit is extremely trash with their filmed tubes. This film blocks 25% - 50% of the photons. That's the reason why filmed Gen3 tubes are so damn noisy. Because you can do the math and calculate 30 SNR -25%. Surprise surprise, 30 SNR doesn't look nice if your tube is filmed. Have fun with your Filmless photonis tube!

@PhotonisDefenseInc.

5 ай бұрын

The ion barrier ("filmed") in all tubes using GaAs (even those that state they are unfilmed) are there to more efficiently use electrons converted from Photons. It was invented to increase tube effeciency/effectiveness and reduce wear on the cathode thus extending the life of the tube. The film is one of the things that defines Generation 3 and was placed there to bring the tube life up to 10,000 hours. However, as the video correctly states the Generation term is no longer used. Photonis tubes do not use GaAs coatings, thus do not need any type of ion barrier. @@aesthetic8780

thermal all the way

So your argument against photonis having objectively worse gain numbers when compared to the L3 tubes is an ad hominem attack against how much someone doesn't train? Like are you forreal? Photonis cannot compete with supergain and socom tubes, this entire rant is you huffing copium while trying to sell people a lie that their tubes are just as good when they objectively aren't. You do the same thing when pedaling thermals. The rh25 is a great device, it doesn't compete with a voodoo s. The skeet is still the best HMT.

😂😂😂😂😂

Yeah I could tell immediately which one was photonis. Even on a phone screen. And even with only 2 seconds to guess. It was the *dimmer* one Photonis tubes are great. They’re honestly slept on. Slept on hard. But they *are* different. And one of those differences is less light amplification and less gain. You’re coping saying photonis is better than elbit and L3. Coping even harder putting L3 below elbit lol. There’s a reason you’re the only person saying this. And it’s cause it’s dumb. But again, photonis is fantastic. I’ve been debating getting one to bridge with my L3. They’d easily be good enough to literally hang with an L3 tube in most conditions. But they aren’t the same.

@musicman1eanda

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, I could tell which one was the photonis as well, and I don't own night vision, and I've never looked through a tube.

@revvyishonisd5027

6 ай бұрын

@@musicman1eanda yeah this rant is smoked. I get it, photonis is good. It’s great. Especially if you are in the city or a suburban environment. If your in a PD using it for patrol around headlights and street lamps, and you need to buy a lot of them for multiple people. It’s probably definitely the way to go. If it’s the only thing you can afford it’s definitely the way to go. And shit even with elbits recent price hikes it may just straight up be a smarter choice than elbit, even if you can afford elbit. But most of us aren’t that. Most of us who can save enough for photonis can also save enough for elbit or L3. Most of us take our shit out to the deep woods and desert where we can hike and shoot with our buddies. Where there’s no ambient light. And in that scenario it’s really nice to have a tube that can resolve the best image with minimal light, and that’s elbit and definitely L3. I’ve been in situations where I wished my L3 was *more* powerful than it is. And it’s the most powerful lol. And it’s really not that expensive. You can get super solid L3 unfilmed tubes for *under* $3000 if you know where to look and are willing to get on a waiting list. You can also get solid Omni contract pvs14’s for under $2k used if you know where to look. With deals like this I’m sorry but photonis just doesn’t make sense. Unless you are determined to buy new and are also determined to get bino’s rather than a mono, and do it for like 6k or less. Which hey I would also spring for photonis if those were my qualifiers. But they aren’t for basically anyone. I’m sorry I’m not trying to bash photonis at all, they really are fantastic. They’re absolutely good enough and in some situations they are the best. But the differences are minor and you can often get higher performance NV for similar or less money than photonis.

@musicman1eanda

6 ай бұрын

@@revvyishonisd5027 Where can you get L3 for 3k?

@PhotonisDefenseInc.

4 ай бұрын

We invite anyone to our calibrated night vision demonstration room in Lancaster, PA in which you can run any tube you wish against our ECHO, 4G, and 4G super gain for comparison purposes.

@musicman1eanda

4 ай бұрын

@PhotonisDefenseInc. Do you need an appointment, or can we just drop by? I'm close by near Shady Maple.

You guys are the ones spreading bad info, which is why you continually get dragged in the community, especially where real night vision users participate and share info

@musicman1eanda

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, I shared this in a few night vision groups asking for their opinion on this video, and I believe every commenter disagreed with it. Part of me thinks: "well maybe that is all those guys simply defending their large purchases" (like the video says). But then I see videos from Custom Night Vision comparing all tubes including L3 in bright urban settings and the L3 let's you see into the shadows better.

@mrgrump2534

28 күн бұрын

🤦🤧😂🤡🥴

And people hating me on Reddit when im say, with 4G you get Gen3 performance with way more important features on top. Yes, gen3 has 2-5% more low light performance. But is it worth losing ULTRA FAST AUTO-GATING, extremely wide IR spectrum and shock resistance of 500g instead of gen3's 70g ? I think not.

@destroyerofgear

6 ай бұрын

Well yeah of course, because that statement is incorrect as you admit in your second sentence. 5% might not sound like a lot but in lots of environments it's the difference between being able to see a little bit of something and basically nothing.

@aesthetic8780

6 ай бұрын

@@destroyerofgear That's the reason why it's so damn specific. It's individual. In some cases you need this 5% in ultra low light. But in some cases you definitely need a Filmless tube with 500g shock resistance, ULTRA FAST AUTO-GATING and biggest IR spectrum. With 4G tube you can use lasers that are invisible for Gen3 tubes. Especially nowadays extremely important! But yes, if you're in a forest and need that 5%, you better go for some L3 Filmless tubes. For me there is only 4G Filmless and L3 Filmless. Both with manual gain.

@destroyerofgear

6 ай бұрын

@@aesthetic8780 I've seen this argument dozens of times yet no one making it even has a 1550nm LRF let alone an actual out of band MFAL. What color is your MAWL CLAD, top g? And what are you doing with your nods that you're exceeding the shock rating of filmless tubes?

@aesthetic8780

6 ай бұрын

@@destroyerofgear Why do you have an AR-15? Are you running everyday in a group of Talibans? That argument doesn't make sense. Why is it so hard to accept reality? Gen2+ is on par with gen3. Its not my opinion, its a fact. Also, all my gen3 tubes are blemished because of light streaking or falling. My gen3 was mounted on my SF helmet. It fell on the floor from just 3 feet. Instantly blemished because of the flimsy film in it. My Photonis tube doesn't even get blemished in full daylight. Holding it out of the window for 1 minute. I also mount it on my rifle for relaxed static night shooting. Not possible with gen3. And now we even have Filmless 4G+ with 87.000 GAIN. I wouldn't even run it on 60k gain, obviously. But okay buddy. Live in your fantasy world called past. Now it's the future and we need more than low light capabilities. All our SF dudes asking for 4G tubes. Do you think they are d0mb? And if I make a multi thousand dollar investment, it better survives falling and gives me the best capabilities for all this money. Most people want just the best. If you downgrading yourself this is all on you brother.

@aesthetic8780

6 ай бұрын

@@destroyerofgear I don't run an MWAL. We are actually in contact with an laser diode manufacturer. It will have 40mW at 1100nm. But obviously, all the big companies will release their stuff when 4G+ is more common.