So... You and Brian are basically telling me this morning that I wont be eating a lab grown steak on a supersonic flight to Europe on my modest government salary any time soon.

@gary4936

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately. ;-;)

@sirBrouwer

2 жыл бұрын

while following the insane migrations of the dragonfly. (BioArk)

@alkureshi

2 жыл бұрын

what's the point of living anymore....

@realscience

2 жыл бұрын

lol correct

@pieter-bashoogsteen2283

2 жыл бұрын

@@sirBrouwer it’s a crossover!

New technologies are almost always prohibitively expensive. And it will continue to be quite expensive for some time. The first microwave ovens, in the late 1940's cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and were only ever sold for massive food processing projects. By the late 50's the price got low enough for restaurants to afford, then by the 80's microwaves got cheap enough that families could use them. The price of lab grown meat will come down.

@josephcoon5809

2 жыл бұрын

The first large screen TV was $15,000 ($22,000 adjusted for inflation) in 1997. Two decades later, they are 100x better at 5% the cost. The only trick is to keep government off of the market.

@erictaylor5462

2 жыл бұрын

@@josephcoon5809 Just look what they did with corn.

@Warhawk76

2 жыл бұрын

The price is not going anywhere until they solve the FBS problem. That's going to be extremely difficult, and it's hard to imagine any sort of plant-based alternative existing that has the proper growth factors in it.

@erictaylor5462

2 жыл бұрын

@@Warhawk76 Well, in the 1970's no one had any idea how to make transistors small enough that you could make computers smaller *AND* faster. My dad worked in an oil refinery from 1968 to 1999. They had a computer that helped to run the refinery efficiently and I would often go with mom to pick up dad from work. The computer room in the 70's was two large rooms (about 100' X 100') one above the other. By the time he retired the computer had been updated and replaced. It was now a single unit, smaller than a standard refrigerator. Problems with technology always seem insurmountable until a solution is found. This has happened over and over again in history. Why should we thing development of lab grown meat should be any different?

@cornbreadfedkirkpatrick9647

2 жыл бұрын

I can recall when the first microwaves were 500.00 and breadmakers now look

I have over 30 yrs of experience in pharma mammalian cell culture. This is a pretty good summary of the situation. We recently performed a cost-benefit analysis for a client and reported a similar summation. However, the other major factor that is not covered here is the volumes of purified water needed to run the bioreactors. The water use will be even higher per Kg than animal husbandry which is already a strain on global ecological systems. Purified water is surprisingly expensive to produce and can only be done in geographic regions with the resources available; that is, it’s not happening in the desert southwest of the US or in Saharan Africa. Water resources are increasingly valuable around the globe for basic human needs, diverting those resources to manufacture synthetic meat just moves an already intractable problem from one place to another.

@amiralozse1781

2 жыл бұрын

not to mention all sort of highly refined nutrient solutions and other stuff needed to keep a mammalian cell culture alive. there will be tons of waste produced which has to be reprocessed in an ecofriendly way...

@maxine3978

2 жыл бұрын

If this is true, then it's an additional reason to go vegan i guess

@justincapable

2 жыл бұрын

Maxine, except it isn't another reason to go vegan. Plants also require water, and in case you don't already know, drinking water is becoming a limited resource, unless there are drastic improvements to desalination.

@TheSapphireLeo

2 жыл бұрын

Sod it #BoycottSyntheticMeat and #GoVegan, #GoFruitarian and/or #Fast for the most part and #PlantFruitBearingTreesEverywhere?

@TheSapphireLeo

2 жыл бұрын

@@justincapable Then #BoycottCapitalism and #Colonialism?

00:41 It wasn't meat that changed the digestive process but rather _cooked_ food in general, as opposed to raw food.

@squidwardsclarinetreed7205

29 күн бұрын

Yes, especially starches and other carbohydrate rich foods. Glucose is after all the primary source of energy our brains use.

The part about FBS is especially interesting and exactly what I hoped to learn more about in this video. Great video!

@N0Xa880iUL

2 жыл бұрын

In-

@Disobeyedtoast

2 жыл бұрын

more like absolutely horrific😰

@I-Am-L

2 жыл бұрын

@@Disobeyedtoast just wait until you hear about the modern meat industry...

@Porkarific

2 жыл бұрын

There are companies who have developed a method that does not include FBS

@YearRoundHibernater

2 жыл бұрын

It's not accurate though most comapnies working on lab grown meat started using alteratives a while ago, I don't follow this all that closely but the few companies I've looked into all use alternatives. And to my knowledge most companies are, this may have been accurate information a few years ago but not now.

I always assumed that the biggest asset with growing lab based meat. Was not meat for consumption. But to develop it even further so the technology would be come so good that you could grow a complete new organ. Like if Mike needed a new kidney. the technology would be so good that they could use some of his cells to change it in to a new kidney made from his own DNA. the lab grown meat for food is just a stepping stone.

@garethbaus5471

2 жыл бұрын

We are working on using similar techniques for exactly that, the development of lab grown meat isn't going to directly translate to improved techniques for replacement organs at this point.

@migueeeelet

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, lab grown meat is multiple birds with one stone. It's almost cheating lol

@torpenhigalak5909

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed and remember commercialization of this not only beneficial economically but socially as the awareness of it also fund the means for more progress, which is why most of its attention are in having it available in commercial use.

@1224chrisng

2 жыл бұрын

sounds great difficulty-wise, but cost-wise it's really the other way around

@slamrock17

2 жыл бұрын

The only difficulty is the pollution from the lab based meat will dwarf what we are seeing now with animal based.

My uncle works in the FBS industry and the Thanksgiving table stories he tells are ~wild~

@CC-mr5xq

Жыл бұрын

What did he say? Please do tell.

Awesome video as always Stephanie and team! I noticed one small mistake with units around 10:30. You list 5,000 litres as around the size of the "biggest beer fermenter that exists." The largest ones I know of are 6,000 BBLs or 704,000+ litres. I think units got swapped there. Any mid sized craft brewery in your region will likely have 10-15 tanks in the 100-150 BBL range, or 2-3x the volume needed for the bioreactor.

@BigBrotherMars

2 жыл бұрын

Jack Gorczyca

@everythingisrealrivers6582

2 жыл бұрын

she said "thats LIKE the biggest beer fermenter that exists". Thanks for your input though bruh

@mr.randomgamer888

2 жыл бұрын

@@everythingisrealrivers6582 but it still is nowhere near the biggest ones, it's barely close enough to the average brewery and even thst is a stretch

@Elrog3

2 жыл бұрын

@@everythingisrealrivers6582 Do you always reply before comprehending what you read?

@everythingsreal

2 жыл бұрын

yes, i am such a retard. And how are you this morning?

Cleaning the inside of the microwave must be the best transition to a sponsor so far😂

If it is so expensive to produce, wouldn't it make more sense to start by growing more exotic meats at first and marketing them to the rich? I'm sure you'll find someone willing to spend a lot of money on something they couldn't otherwise get. Generally, it seems weird to me that, if you have the technology to produce artificial meat, you would use it, first, to produce those meats that are pretty much the cheapest to obtain the "normal" way, rather than trying to produce meat of animals that couldn't normally be eaten.

@extrasolare9644

2 жыл бұрын

The problem here is that rich any kind of meet carries almost the seme difficult, I tink tha if we'd make just a part of the animal has more sence... it conserved the immune part and the same moleclular structure.

@sanssoucilucci

2 жыл бұрын

What is an 'exotic meat that rich people want' to you? I'm relatively well off and wouldn't really consider eating lab monkey or walrus meat. What comes from this process is not structured in the way of organs and body parts, but more of a loose abstraction of fat and protein, among others. You can't mass-market this by starting off with an incredibly select group of individuals.

@kkirschkk

2 жыл бұрын

@@sanssoucilucci I mean for a lot of the ultra well off people you would get a demand for something like walrus meat or other weird things. So while you might not be interested in it your likely not the type of person that he is mentioning.

@andywuhu6720

2 жыл бұрын

@@sanssoucilucci generally it's stuff like wagyu and whatnot but much of it is prepared at higher end restaurants and ones grown domestically or imported have gradually become more accessible to the public (at a premium of course). Then again everyone's tastes are different so some might not even like beef to begin with.

@errorerror6918

2 жыл бұрын

Most current lab grown meats still require the original meat to start the process, it is just a negligible amount of the final product. So you can't use endangered animals/etc.

Tissue engineering is so fascinating but also so elaborate and expensive. When I started studying I was so hyped for lab meat but as more as I learned about it, my hopes kinda alleviated. I hope that one day lab meat will actually be a thing and I’m still alive to experience it.

@illusionist1244

Жыл бұрын

it became a thing :)

I dont understand, why do we want a universal serum if we can only grow pure meat. Just use the specific serum for every type of meat, and when we can, we will grow whole wings or ribs. Every production line is different, i dont expect to use the same substances to produce paper and cardboard.

@admiral_waffles533

2 жыл бұрын

Logistics and economies of scale. Keeping track of 20 different serums from 20 different manufacturers is much harder, expensive and time consuming than keeping track of 1. There's even the added benefit of reliability, where say, 1 factory can take over another in case that one shuts down, so production doesn't have to grind to a halt. Also, the more you produce something, generally the cheaper it becomes.

@JG-xm8jy

2 жыл бұрын

@@admiral_waffles533 we have vehicles that use diesel, gasoline, planes that use jet fuel...your arguments are just unreasonable...how hard is it to manage 20 serums??? the efficiencies got from one serum are few and fare between if individual serums already exist

@JG-xm8jy

2 жыл бұрын

Someone is asking the right questions, this video was trash

@admiral_waffles533

2 жыл бұрын

@@JG-xm8jy You didn't consider the big picture. Unless there's something to benefit from it, like increased efficiency, why would manufacturers spend more time and money creating dozens of different products that each need their own ingredients and procedures, when they could just create 1 that does all of their jobs and crank them out. It increases their individual prices, something that in turn would increase the price of making the burger, which is a loss for both sides. Second, use a different example, jet fuel, gasoline and diesel have their own niches and mostly share raw materials and manufacturing process. They also already benefit from economies of scale, while lab grown meat has barely just started. Meanwhile growth factors are hyper specialized proteins that need their own specialized equipment (for lack of a better term) and manufacturing procedures.

@uwuhihiowo

2 жыл бұрын

That's not how it work

10:53 Just a quick fact check. 5000L in roughly 42bbl, which while large for a craft brewery is TINY for macro breweries. The Milwaulkee MillerCoors plant has several 6000bbl fermeters, or about 700,000L. 5000L is FAR from the largest fermenters.

@Gorczy

2 жыл бұрын

Noticed this as well, think the editor swapped the units, since a 5000 BBL fermenter would be close to the largest tanks in the world.

@kushalvora7682

2 жыл бұрын

5000L is still quite big considering it only produces 1kg of meat.

@Elrog3

2 жыл бұрын

@@kushalvora7682 They don't build a tank to only produce 1kg of meat. It can be reused. ;) Jokes aside, the important statistic would be the production rate. How long does it take per kilogram of meat?

No one is really looking as FBS as a base anymore, there are a billion alternatives and that was merely 1 thing people looked at. Cost for a product currently not released is something that will be dealt with before the shit can even come out and is currently the biggest issue, but it isnt as dramatic as this channel made it out to be. New Harvest has a non FBS recipe. It's public it's designed for beef. If that doesn't refute it. I don't know what does.

@nathanlevesque7812

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, referencing primary sources is better than making offhanded references to things that might be accurate.

@AlexxanderLuthor-lq5ih

Жыл бұрын

a billion alternatives ? what are they ?

14:16 “And while I don’t agree entirely with putting the onus on the consumer…” THANK YOU! This is an argument that is RARELY - if ever - acknowledged when talking about climate change and our role in slowing it down. I fully expected this video to end with something like, “So what can YOU do to reduce the impact of meat production on the planet?…” People often forget that we aren’t the biggest problem. It doesn’t matter how much any of us do, when confronted with the actions of giant mega-corporations we are meaningless as individuals (as far as reducing any kind of impact on the planet). I really appreciate that you added this little note in your video and hope it forces more people to consider just how much affect we can have when faced with the behemoths of Amazon and YumYum. I totally agree with the moral imperative, but as far as making people believe it’s OUR fault, and it’s OUR responsibility…that’s just gaslighting and manipulation on the part of the mega-corps that run the world.

Soo... no one here talking about that very recent video on Upside Foods by Bloomberg Quicktake? They are about to launch a commercial scale pilot plant to grow artificial chicken breasts. If I recall correctly, those currently cost around 18$ per piece but are expected to drop in price as economies of scale kick in. They have also developed processes that don't require FBS.

I'm a New Harvest PhD fellow, working on growing cultured meat in my lab. Thank you for this beautiful video. Loved it!!

@unvergebeneid

2 жыл бұрын

Do you have to work with FBS?

@unculturedmeat

2 жыл бұрын

@@unvergebeneid Yes.

@claire-go9zo

2 жыл бұрын

you are a pioneer of innovation, thank you for being apart of a positive change!

@unvergebeneid

2 жыл бұрын

@@unculturedmeat oof, that's gotta be tough given how it's harvested...

@pirapatxie8897

2 жыл бұрын

@@unculturedmeat Is this video accurate?

4:30 it was at this point i was reminded of the fact that using these techniques there is a place that server lab-grown 'human meat' to euh... to canibals. only way to legally be a canibal lmao

@Croz89

2 жыл бұрын

Would it be safe? I've heard there's a risk of prion infection from cannibalism.

@thettguy

2 жыл бұрын

@@Croz89 That risk comes from brain tissue. But good old long pig muscle cells would be fine. Tastes like chicken.

@WanderTheNomad

2 жыл бұрын

@@thettguy Wouldn't long pig taste more like pig than chicken?

@migueeeelet

2 жыл бұрын

@@WanderTheNomad Guess he means pig muscle cells. Taste comes from a mix of tissues - fats, muscle, blood, etc. Unless you combine them all properly, it's like an unseasoned meal. It'll be bland.

@WanderTheNomad

2 жыл бұрын

@@migueeeelet "Long pig" is a euphemism for human flesh

I've worked in the cell cultured meat industry. We're moving past FBS. There's several alternatives, look up Okara. Also regarding scale, a company recently opened up a factory. Their prospective output is 100000 lbs of meat. And not just ground meat, breast and thigh are getting close to market.

@odd_shoe

2 жыл бұрын

Sources please

@_SHIN1999

2 жыл бұрын

Source: trust me bro

@nathanly8761

2 жыл бұрын

@Poseidon I'm an athlete too. It's kinda why I wanted to work in the cell cultured meat industry in the first place. It's as healthy as any other meat minus the fat. Current production issue is incorporating fat in the product

@drew7515

2 жыл бұрын

@@nathanly8761 people ask for a source and you only answered a question that wasn’t about your legitimacy? Come on

@nathanly8761

2 жыл бұрын

@@drew7515 Sorry let me rephrase, I have a degree in bioengineering, studied metabolic systems and biomechanics, and currently work in cell culture biotech. Recreationally I do sports and am health conscious especially taking into account the amount of time that I have studied the human body. Regarding the health of cell cultured meat. It is as healthy as normal meat because that is what it is. It'sjust growing the muscle cells directly in a bioreactor instead of having to grow a whole organism then harvest only part of it for food. If anything, due to the current inability to organically generate fat, the meat will be extremely lean.

Any cultivated meat company that's serious about scaling up is not using FBS. It's a useful shortcut in the research/lab phase but obviously not what will be used for any cultivated meat that ends up on store shelves in the future. It's a pity that your video could make people needlessly worried about this very promising technology.

@slamrock17

2 жыл бұрын

I hope you realize switching to lab grown meat would cause way more pollution than we are producing with our current meat industry. In fact most land that is used for cows can not grow any food whatsoever except drought resistant grass. Think about it this way. Rn biological machines(cows) are literally converting useless grass into super calorie dense meat. Lab grown meat is a stepping stone for organ growing one day so I am glad it has an industry driving its advancement.

@sophiedowney1077

2 жыл бұрын

@@slamrock17 though most of the time, cows aren't converting grass into meat, but soy. Even supposing the land used for the cows themselves is useless, the land used to grow soy for cows could be used to grow crops for humans. 33% of croplands are used for growing crops just to feed animals, which produce less than 10% of the calories they consume. And even if lab meat uses electricity, it doesn't produce methane like cows do because it has no digestive system. Lab grown meat has the potential to be really awesome and decrease the amount of land wasted on feeding livestock.

@indietraveller

2 жыл бұрын

@@slamrock17 Animals are fed more than just grass. Just look at maps of just how much land area is dedicated to making food for animals that we eat. That production can be diverted to input for cultivated meat - and it works out to be far more efficient with the potential to return vast areas of land back to nature

@slamrock17

2 жыл бұрын

@@sophiedowney1077 you miss the point. If the cows are converting soy into human food what makes you think a laboratory process can do it more effectively? In order for us to harvest and process the soy into edible food product for human use, far more money resources and energy is wasted.

@slamrock17

2 жыл бұрын

@@indietraveller Those maps you mention prove my point. Cows are multi stomached and they can convert inedible plant proteins into human food in much more effecient way than any laboratory. Another problem with your assessment here is if we switched to a meatless future that would increase the amount of soy getting farmed which you admitted is the major issue with the meat industry as a whole. Your argument hinges on the misleading idea that people can just eat the soy that the cows would be eating. The problem is that in order for a human to eat soy the soybeans have to be processed which takes far more energy than the process of fermentation in a cows gut.

I was literally cleaning my microwave at 14:31 😂

Great video. For anyone who would like to try a decent meat alternative, I found out a while back that king oyster mushrooms with their fibery texture can be used as a template for making custom meats if cut into strips. Other ingredients can be added to tune to flavour, like tomato purée for a savoury flavour, or maple syrup and paprika for a smokey maple flavour. Cook the flavoured mushrooms until they start drying out, (at this point, they will be reddish brown and look a heck of a lot like meat). The end taste isn't beef, chicken, or pork, but still identifiable as a meat. I've made bacon, taco meat, and stir fry this way and it always impresses guests.

@nutzeeer

2 жыл бұрын

King oyster mushrooms made like schnitzel is great. Better than actual meat.

@fanatic26

2 жыл бұрын

mushrooms grow in feces, that says all you need to know

@MikeDawson1

2 жыл бұрын

@@fanatic26 that doesn't say anything about anything

@MoistMayo

2 жыл бұрын

@@fanatic26 Mushrooms were the first terrestrial life and are still here today. Mushrooms are likely the food of the future aswell, I don't like em personally but I have studied mycology long enough to know they are extremely important to our world, have amazing capabilities and hold great potential for large scale human sustenance. Mycelium networks are also the closest thing to intelligence in the plant kingdom.

@mgratk

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds delicious, say aside a nice medium rare ribeye.

This happens with most new technology. Prices remeains very high such that only few industry can use it for specilised purposes. Then it starts to decrease slowly. And then it decrease very rapidly such that it becomes household product.

Though the mushroom industry is having a hard time keeping up since they have surplus mushrooms but most ended up being killed rather than being sold. It would be nice to create a mushroom base meat. Since it will benefit the mushroom farms and their surplus issues can be bought and nothing can be wasted while at the same time keeping up with demand.

@mr.silhouette8452

2 жыл бұрын

There are mycoprotein based meat alternatives, they're really good! The Quorn brand is a great example 👍

Huh. So I work in meat inspection in NZ, and this makes a lot of sense. Fetuses and fetal blood are worth a lot of money. I knew it went into lab based stuff, but I'd always wondered what exactly. Also, just to add, and I only speak for where I am, but fetuses are always dead on arrival. Always. I know this because inspecting them is part of my job. But again, I'm only speaking for NZ, where we have very strict animal welfare regulations. To be honest, though, I can't even imagine how they would survive the slaughtering process.

@nellylicious9435

2 жыл бұрын

Please know that I am in no way attacking you as an individual. But.. do you really believe any animal in the industry experiences any kind of welfare?

@diablo.the.cheater

2 жыл бұрын

@@nellylicious9435 Bees, bees are not keep in cages, bees can and will from time to time not return to the apicultor's panals. The thing with bees is more like we rent them some housing and collect honey in return, if the bees don't like that, they can leave at practically any moment, and from time to time they do.

@PerfectDeath4

2 жыл бұрын

@@diablo.the.cheater My mom's bees were 5 strong hives in 2020, then during 2021 one hive died of illness and 3 hives split. Splitting involves the queen leaving with some of the hive's drones and the remaining bees try to make a new queen. Unlucky for her, those 3 splits failed to produce a queen so she's going into 2022 with just 1 healthy hive.

@jeffersonott4357

2 жыл бұрын

@@diablo.the.cheater can the queen fly?

@hokehinson5987

2 жыл бұрын

The resale of animal biomass to labs conducting all sorts of genetic crossing is big business. This is why in America there's a big push back over the SCOTUS decision over turning roe Vs Wade. That human biomass is sold worldwide for many medical needs. The umbilical cords used for human artery replacement. Much of it going to genetic labs and military labs. There was a rash of cadavers parts being illegally stored then being sold to medical schools, research labs and being used in reconstruction surgery tainted items causing death & injury. Not much was done few folks that got caught had their hands slapped. Feds too lame and states too weak to regulate. Big money in death & biomass....

The fact that we need to harvest cow fetuses for lab-grown meat sounds like some Fullmetal Alchemist stuff

@GarageSupra

2 жыл бұрын

It hardly happens any more, most labs are using alternative solutions

@marciabond339

5 ай бұрын

Right….so they say

Pls never stop making videos I never know why this great channel is so underrrated

Hi, I think a follow up video with the startups/methods that don't use FBS would be interesting. I've watched a WSJ piece in late-2018 about a israeli "lab grown steak" company called Aleph Farms that I got excited about at the time. After watching this video, I checked whether they used FBS - which would've bummed me out - turns out in the FAQ of their website they say they don't

@BannDesigns

2 жыл бұрын

True! The statement in this video is just wrong. There are many companies who research an animal-free FBS and use it already. Mosa Meat is one of them. They use it since 2019 and wouldn‘t even continue research on labgrown meat if it wasn‘t possible without harming animals.

@SgtCarter69

2 жыл бұрын

@@BannDesigns Most of the production is based on FBS because of price competitivity, therefore she's not entirely wrong. Oh and at 8:24 she even mentioned FastGro - a cruelty free alternative

@BannDesigns

2 жыл бұрын

@@SgtCarter69 Still, she only uses FastGro as single example and states it as it would be the only hope developing cultivated meat. That not true since there are many other companies / organizations who research this type of medium or already found one. And yes, many companies / organizations still rely on FBS gained from animals. That doesn‘t mean that it‘s not possible to do it without / do further research to find a solution (which like stated some already did).

@gohunt001-5

2 жыл бұрын

now i wonder if maybe growing cancer cells is a viable alternative, since it already doesn't self destruct, it doesn't need FBS, the problems it would have would be not having an immune system and probably the inability to make the regular strands of mucsle fibers that contribute to the texture of meat. still, i wonder if any startup out there is using this approach...

@Keefboi

2 жыл бұрын

@@gohunt001-5 I feel like eating cancer cells would create some side effects right?

LOVE your channel. You and Real Engineering are some of the best educators on the platform.

@realscience

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! That means a lot

@calamitoso0066

2 жыл бұрын

I thought that both were the same author, and the name is simply to clasify the content.

@anveshanupam

2 жыл бұрын

@@calamitoso0066 bro me too

@michaelwallace9291

2 жыл бұрын

@@calamitoso0066 I believe they used to work together

@codetech5598

2 жыл бұрын

@@calamitoso0066 The logos suggest they are related.

What about cancer cells? Since they literally able to survive and grow on their own given correct condition and enough nutritions, can we eat them instead?

@victortitov1740

2 жыл бұрын

i find it strange it wasn't mentioned in the video tbh. We can't be the first to come up with this idea, it's pretty obvious. That boils down to genetic engineering, i suppose.

Super informative video and always glad to see the references in the description!

Wow, truely eye openning thanks for the video, it gives plenty of infos to follow up.

I'm currently doing a write-up on meat and paradigm shift for diet. This is really helpful... Thanks

@N0Xa880iUL

2 жыл бұрын

Drop a link when you do

@pyrofreezer

2 жыл бұрын

Oh I'm just a uni student not a researcher yet 😅

@N0Xa880iUL

2 жыл бұрын

@@pyrofreezer Then drop a link when you do

@migueeeelet

2 жыл бұрын

Might want to check r/wheresthebeef , because I swear, this sector has skyrocketed in two months lol. It went from "we have a proof of concept" to "we're establishing a fully functional plant" and the next step is "FBS no more!".

Yall just said there are specific alternatives they just arent as general use. If we have a synthetic for pork chicken and beef but they all need their own artificial serum then we dont need bovine blood.

Hi. Great video. Is it possible to get a downloadable version of the transcript? Thank you.

I’m on board for lab growth meat that tastes the same but has removed the drawbacks of natural meat. The tech is still in its infancy but I’m hopeful the scientists can overcome the challenges for the future of our planet

@casualsuede

2 жыл бұрын

Too many quitters on these comment boards for any new technology, whether lab grown meat, electric cars or wind/solar energy. From someone who came from the electronics industry, I heard the same "why do this?" argument when I saw the 1st generation plasma screen....that was 42 inches and cost over $40k. The same naysayers said no one would ever buy things flatscreens.....

@NicoKyunKyun

2 жыл бұрын

@@casualsuede true your naysayers said, i only game on curved screen

So, lab grown is exponentially more questionable behavior.

"We shall scape the absurdity of growing a whole chicken to eat the breast or the wing" That really is absurd. From the chicken we eat it all. The breast, the drumsticks, the quarters, the thighs, the wings and we can even make a broth with the bones

@johnsmith-ro2tw

Жыл бұрын

A chicken fart produces 3 tons of methane gas, more than what bill gates private jet emits on his daily 8 minutes flight across Seattle to skip traffic jams on the roads. Few people know this. That's why we should stop eating chicken and start eating crickets instead.

@ramseyk.389

Жыл бұрын

@@johnsmith-ro2tw You’re joking right?

@c_5nco

Жыл бұрын

@@ramseyk.389 I don't understand why you think they'd be joking? I don't see anything in their comment that could be a problem. I'm genuinely asking (not coming at you, just curious)

@millennialodyssey5956

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. The broth from the bones is really good for you too.

@brnwlls1518

Жыл бұрын

That's the way God intended it all plants and animals of the land, birds of the sky and fish of the waters of the earth were placed here to sustain and serve all mankind but man does not have the right to play God. Growing meat outside of the body that God created is bad, and an abomination in the eyes of God

So, theoretically, a lab-grown human brain burger... Wow - did I just completely skeeve myself out before I could finish...

Very nice presentation with the virtual board!

Thank you Real Science. Excellent video. Such a cruel process. This information needs to reach the masses!!

All I heard for FBS is that it's great for research and avoids having another variable to worry about. Which is critical when working at the cutting edge of a field as it save a lot of time. Secondly I didn't hear how much kg for kg was needed and especially what the theoretical maximum dilution is (as I doubt 10l per burger would really be needed if done and understood well). Lastly I heard that basically FBS is used because of a big lack of the scientists involved actually understanding what's going on like would usually be the case in Physics, Chemistry, etc. Very common thing I see in pharma, a lot of trial and error, which is okay but shows that they don't really understand what they are precisely doing (not saying they have no clue just saying it's in part data driven guess work). If you actually understand the science, you would know which components have what effects precisely and how/what the suicide mechanism triggers. Hell technically we could even use crispr to genetically modify the DNA such that we get stem cells where the function for suicide is disabled, however that requires enough understanding (and not doing this in sentient beings because tumors). As for the price, research stuff is generally pricy as hell because of the market, supply, demand, and type of buyers. You want to compare this to transistors and computers? in the 1980s a computer woud take up a huge ass room and cost millions, your phone nowadays is more powerful than thousands of those computers and costs 200-1000€, if we account for inflation and all that, the price reduction of transistors is probably in the hundreds of thousands. TLDR; all I heard is a clear lack of understanding of the topic and it being pushed by potential "fast" future profit more so than fundamental research.

@Elrog3

2 жыл бұрын

Well put.

@vascolourenco4259

Жыл бұрын

* in this industry we have mutch more dead ends

I live in the mountains. Openly speaking, I prefer the meat of cows, sheep and goats living in our area than anything industrially processed. They live a good life, have tons of good natural food. They are better for the ecosystem than some artificial factories.

@SweatierAcorn

2 жыл бұрын

The big problem is the big companies mass production of unsustainable meat, lab meat is mainly meant to replace that way of mass production. Least that's how I see it.

@ricardomontalban6467

Ай бұрын

Lear. To. Respect. Other. Living. Creatures. Lives

This needs more exposure. Gonna be sharing.

It’s an interesting perspective. Tony Seba predicts that livestock based meat production will be a small fraction of what it is today within 10 years based on declining cost curves. The climate rationale for eliminating meats from our diets has a couple of weaknesses from my perspective. There is no doubt that our current industrial ag model for both plant and animal based foods is horribly destructive. But there is another way. Regenerative ag uses animals as tools in their normal roles in the ecology to bring life back to damaged soils. People are also building soil back in badly eroded areas. And our grasslands represent an even bigger carbon sink than our forests. Thanks for your research! Keep it up. Reach out to us at Hood Family Farms. We are nearby.

@pluspiping

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly this. Most of our worldwide landscape cannot be used for any kind of agriculture - sustainable or not. Livestock animals can make use of (and restore healthier ecosystems to) land that would never be feasibly for growing crops. We can develop better agricultural regulations to protect animal welfare, and switch to renewable energy sources for all the actions we take around the animal (and its carass if it's slaughtered). The solution to a sustainable future is not one-size fits all!

Wow! I saw a TED Talk that made it sound like lab grown meat was right around the corner and to be cheaper than real meat. The more you know....

@migueeeelet

2 жыл бұрын

Mosa Meat announced a year ago that they had an FBS alternative that cost 88x less. Upside Foods, the one with the new pilot plant, has a working alternative in place and they're currently putting it into practice. They're committed to only releasing products to market that are 100% free from animal slaughter.

@byteyotta

2 жыл бұрын

It is right around the corner. The script for this video was probably written 4 years ago. Cultured meat startups have made a lot more progress than this video implies. Many products entering the market in 2022-2023 with competitive pricing.

@burgerman101

2 жыл бұрын

@@byteyotta I don’t know if this is relevant, but I can literally buy affordable lab grown ice cream from my local grocery store. It’s called Brave Robot ice cream. It’s basically identical to regular ice cream, but it doesn’t come from an animal or contain lactose so lactose intolerant people can eat it as well (Although I’m sure they could add lactose to it if they wanted to). My point is that if lab grown dairy is already a thing, I don’t see how lab grown meat will not also be a thing in the near future.

Has anyone checked out "Future-Meat"? I'd prefer this over the future bugs that are being pushed as a solution! They claim 96% less freshwater use 99% less land, 80% less greenhouse emissions. They also say they "broke the $5 barrier, bringing production costs down to $1.70", "Cells are only sourced from animals one time", "We created lines of animal cells that grow forever without the need for genetic modifications, removing the need to slaughter animals for the food we eat." This is some info linked through their press page recently 2/14/22: "Future Meat earlier this year opened a cultivated meat production line in Israel and currently is scouting several locations in the United States for a planned large-scale production facility. The company, which produces cultivated chicken, lamb, beef and pork, in December raised $347 million in Series B financing co-led by ADM Ventures."

One other comment, you mentioned at least a couple times that none of the synthetic serums that have been developed fill the wide range of needs that FBS does, but you never said why that is necessary. For example, why does it matter if we have to use a different serum for each kind of meat?

It's almost like we aren't supposed to be doing this. I don't think I will seek out lab made meat. No one knows the long term effects of ingesting such a product.

@GarudaLegends

Жыл бұрын

horrible, like all garbage made in a lab.

@benmassi8333

4 ай бұрын

Is there going to make it so you don't really have a choice

@VivekPatel-ze6jy

2 ай бұрын

Chemically it's no different from normal meat, if anything it might be healthier due to there not being antibiotics in it. I get being cautious, but I can guarantee you that diet coke is more harmful to your health than lab grown meat, due to the ridiculous amount of phosphoric acid they add.

@ricardomontalban6467

Ай бұрын

You. Have. To. Realize. That. Sich. A. Product 17:30. . Ots. Just. The. Dame. As. The. Product. Pf. The. Assassinated. Animal8

@ricardomontalban6467

Ай бұрын

They. Will. Be. The. Same. Tissue. Replica. Of. An. Assassinated. Only. . Cow.

OMG just make black bean and walnut burgers and call it day.

I recently bought ground beef to make hamburger steak. The meat cooked for over 30 minutes and if you cook you know ground meat cooks fast, even in Pattie’s. 30 minutes is more than enough time and it still wasn’t cooked all the way. It seemed no matter how long I cooked it for it wouldn’t completely cook. It was light red in the middle & the texture was mushy. I joked about it being human meat but this is actually scary and makes me wonder if it was lab grown.

@iamskorch

Жыл бұрын

Sick part is, you can't guarantee you Weren't eating human meat or something else you didn't know about. Who knows what they put in packaged food to sell us these days. FDA approved or "safe" on packaging means basically nothing.

There are many alternatives to FBS today. Future Meat Technologies does not use FBS.

Love your honesty about your morning routine!! Right on spot. 🤗😘

I was going to write a comment about the possibilities of genetic modification but decided against it bc I didn’t wanna have to deal with the people replying. Then boom a full third of the video was about it. I agree with all the concerns and I think we need to change a lot about our food system.

Amazing show. I'm very curious about Fabulous too btw.. Incredible narration Stephanie 👌

Well said. Love hearing your voice. What book?

I have always been excited about the concept of lab grown meat. Many people think the idea is gross while eating meat from animals that potentially ate their own shit, was diseased as hell or suffered. I think it's just a matter of time until they figure it out and I will be more than willing to transition to it at least in part. Cant wait to have meat balls that didn't take a life or was waste meat like the ones I have now.

@slep1654

2 жыл бұрын

You can use meat substitutes, like beyond or impossible meat. For ground beef they’re really great. I use them for meatballs, patties, and taco meat. Those kinds of food have so many other tastes that it can be pretty hard to notice a difference. Just try and reduce how much meat you eat! Don’t think you have to be all or nothing. I still eat seafood and steak occasionally.

@alveolate

2 жыл бұрын

the concept isn't the issue here tho... it's the actual cost - both financially AND ethically. did u not watch the video? FBS... makes it even worse.

@davidjray26

2 жыл бұрын

@@alveolate except the video conveniently left out that companies have been using an alternate solution to FBS for some years now.

@jacksonweese951

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidjray26 I strongly disagree and unless you have studies and sources saying otherwise you're simply supporting a horrific and disgusting branch of scientific development

@jypsridic

2 жыл бұрын

I can practically guarantee that you've eaten your own shit Dinosaur Emperor.

Imma enjoy my mushrooms . Not quite meat, not worse than it.

thats the best doku on the subject Ive seen ever!!! you just need to adress how to provide the cell cultures with a very complex, refined and sterile growth medium. and how to process all the waste products

This year is the 50 year anniversary of the release of the SciFi movie “Soylent Green”.

Question, you said FBS is the only known compound useble in all lab grown meats, is there others more specialised compounds that exist out there?

@migueeeelet

2 жыл бұрын

There are, in fact. Quote from someone else "Mosa Meat announced a year ago that they had an FBS alternative that cost 88x less. Upside Foods, the one with the new pilot plant, has a working alternative in place and they're currently putting it into practice. They're committed to only releasing products to market that are 100% free from animal slaughter. "

@just4deez

2 жыл бұрын

FBS is a known complex media (i.e. a mixture of organic materials that are not chemically pure and not specifically identified chemical components) that works well on many lab grown meats. To replace the functions of the different components in FBS we can use defined media (a mixture where its composition is exactly known) but the required nutrients and growth factor required in this defined media is dependent on the species of cells being grown. Furthermore, creating defined media requires mixing pure or purified components which can be extremely expensive (such as examples stated in this video). You would require a mixture of amino acids, sugars, salts, growth factors, cofactors (usually on the order of 50 or more components) that are essential for cellular growth and to prevent the cells from differentiating. You need these factors to make the cells grow and to prevent the cells from transforming into forms that you don't want (e.g. you want muscle cells not nerve cells). There are alternative complex media to FBS such as plant-derived lysates for example, which contain all the essential amino acids, but you still have to add in specific growth factors and nutrients before they can be used to grow animal cells.

@aidanmccreary8727

2 жыл бұрын

I work with cultured meat and grow cell cultures using Serum Free media that doesn't contain FBS or any other animal-derived compounds. So yea there are more specialized compounds but they tend to be pretty specific and don't always work as well as FBS does

Honestly, if you can't even make the chicken taste just like chicken then you've definitely got a long way to go.

@QuantumFluxable

2 жыл бұрын

try marinading and frying some jackfruit, it tastes a lot like chicken and you can easily buy it canned. plus there's 0% cow fetus in there :)

@just4deez

2 жыл бұрын

Have you tried mushrooms. Some of them actually get remarkably close to the texture of chicken.

Just noticed this, but "I occasionally clean the inside of my microwave" with the ×4 video of her doing it has me rolling!

hope the science find a way to make this really useable.

Man, the FBS thing always sounded like something more research could fix, but the whole zero immune system problem is a complete project killer. I cant think of a single way of fixing that without defeating the whole point.

@johnnyjack4079

2 жыл бұрын

There is a company that make lab grown meat, without using it

@Tobertus

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnnyjack4079 can you mention a link or reference?

@johnnyjack4079

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tobertus I was pretty sure I had watched a video on KZread, was about grown lab chicken and if I wasn't mistaken I think they use plant based. I Googled it but said it's on the way just not ready yet

@Tobertus

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnnyjack4079 Probably so, very interesting! Thanks for the info :)

@hughson9229

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tobertus I searched on Google and it says "Okara" "Food scientists in Singapore are working to use okara, a byproduct of tofu production, to make cheaper cell-based meat. It can replace the use of fetal bovine serum (FBS) used in cellular agriculture that is expensive and comes from animals."

I can't help but feel that this move away from nature to labs for our food is not the right thing to do. Even now, there's a difference between supermarket meat and wild meat. In terms of taste, how it fills you up, etc. I appreciate the content, and maybe I'm wrong. But... I just don't know.

@dosd8048

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention the growth hormones and other chemicals added to this cardboard product just to create a pretend small piece of manmade protein. I recall chickens that were innoculated with hormonal growth promoters caused all sorts of issues with development issues in children who consumed these chickens.

@madman5100

2 жыл бұрын

Youre right

@marciabond339

5 ай бұрын

Yes, you know. Besides, as part of natural agriculture we need the manure to grow veggies for the brain dead vegans.

Always appreciate the education👌🏾.

Interesting episode, crazy where that science is. The best part was the commercial at the end, the I will never do this part.

the truth about lab grown meat is that we don't need it to be vegan

Something tells me that we should rather invest in a new form of research, where we'll do organ culture. An organ which will have in built circulation and hence immune system and from where we can regularly trim kilos of meat like trimming leafs from a plant. This would be the 2nd gen lab grown meat, which might not need expensive things like FBS and recombinant growth factors and will only grow meat instead of an entire animal.

One thing about taste. When we eat meat, it’s not just the muscle tissue. There’s blood, lymphatic fluids, along with everything you listed. It’s a very complex combination that science can’t replicate. Let’s not forget about the Maillard effect if browning.

@danopticon

2 жыл бұрын

But interestingly, burgers and hot dogs are usually placed in a tasty sesame bun after getting smothered in seasonings and relish, or steaks get smothered in salt and ketchup … and usually after being charred to a tasteless crisp … so what most people appear to crave are the condiments and the toppings for which meat just serves as a delivery vehicle. Place a piece of cardboard or styrofoam between two tasty slices of sesame bun, and top it with celery salt, ketchup, mustard, pickles, red onion, relish, aioli mayonnaise, lettuce, and heirloom tomato slices … 9,999 people out of a 1,000 wouldn’t know the difference-and especially not if you ply them with a few microbrews first!

@pretendfriend1417

2 жыл бұрын

@@danopticon I disagree. I can eat unseasoned steak. Its so delicious.

I can't wait for Wendover Production's "Economics of Baby Blood"

15:39 “I would rather die than do this.” I felt that.

Thanks for that great video. At times it sounds a bit unfairly pessimistic and I think that it is important to remember that cellular agriculture is engineering: necessity will lead to success in one form or another. As there isn't enough space on earth to feed all of humanity the same diet as the top 25% biggest food consumers, it is absolutely necessary to transition from traditional farming to much more effective food production methods and cellular agriculture is the only humane way forward at the moment. If only a small part of the $540bn annual worldwide farming subsidies were redirected to R&D in cellular agriculture, the pace of progress would be a lot faster.

@YaKupoKitty

2 жыл бұрын

Or, you know, a switch to a more plant-based diet with lowered meat consumption? Which we could do like… now?

@haught7576

2 жыл бұрын

@@YaKupoKitty lmao, the ONLY way, it’s inhumane to not eat meat!

@josephcoon5809

2 жыл бұрын

@@YaKupoKitty You can devolve. I’m good with maintaining the species’ brain mass by ingesting animal proteins.

@comeraczy2483

2 жыл бұрын

@@YaKupoKitty you are absolutely right, lowering meat consumption is the elegant, simple, rational and healthy way to not creating a major problem in the first place. Sadly, elegant, simple, rational and healthy behaviours don't seem to be a notable strength of humanity. If there was any doubt left, a large number of heavy duty nails have been hammered deep into that coffin lately. More and more people believe that the privilege of eating hundreds of pounds of beef every year is one of their fundamental right and they are eager to exercise it as soon as they can afford it. I believe that fighting against these behaviours is a lost battle and that the only way to address the entirely man-made problems associated with meat over-consumption is to rely on science and technologies.

@just4deez

2 жыл бұрын

@@josephcoon5809 Some people are apparently led to believe that animal foods are not necessary for optimal function for Homo sapiens. You can pretty much thank the Seventh-day Adventist church and the dozen or so vegan Professors sitting around our public health boards and universities for that. Animal foods are prized in every culture including vegetarian ones (dairy is prized). But apparently modern-day humans are led to believe that they are not required for health (or worse, bad for health). This is despite the thousands of biochemistry and physiology papers (as in actual biochemical mechanisms, not epidemiological "studies") showing how nutrients from animal foods are essential to health. This shows that with proper marketing, you can get people to ignore good science.

Currently Fetus FBS is used but its not nessseary that it will be used in future. Lets see what are the ingredients needed of cell culture- 1. Glucose 2. Amino Acids 3. Vitamins 4. Salts. 4. Growth Factor (FBS) There is a technology called Precision Fermentation, In which microorganisms eat Glucose and produce the desigred Bio chemical. We can genetically edit them to produce whatever Bio-Chemical we want. (Insulin is an example) So if we have Glucose we can produce Amino Acids, Vitamins as well as FBS, because FBS is also a form of Complex Protins. And any kind of complex protin can be sythentisised via Precision Fermentation. Secondary, Glucose can also be produced in Lab using GMO bacteria that performs Chemosynthesis insted of Photosynthesis. So theoretically its possible to culture cell without using killing animal and even without using plant of Glucose. Today is expensive because both Gene Editing and Precision fermentation technology is in its initial stage, but as technology matures in next 10-15 years, it will become very cheap and common as compared to traditional meat and dairy. Its just a matter of time.

Thanks for a really informative video. This is exactly what I was looking for. Mainly for the FBS information. This all seems very complicated and expensive right now, but hopefully they will tackle the issues of FBS, water, energy and pricing in a few decades. The good news that I'm happy to know is that none of this is necessary. We don't require meat. I personally have not eaten an animal for almost a decade. I now also haven't eaten any animal products whatsoever for over 3 years. You can actually make a large batch of meaty tasting burgers out of simple every day healthy plant foods. I would have laughed at that idea years ago had I not tried it out myself. I make really nice tasting burgers out of green lentils, chickpeas, black beans, beetroot, mushroom, red onion, oats, herbs and spices. It's delicious! Totally tastes like a meaty burger. Except it's packed with protein, fibre, low in fat and zero cholesterol. For chicken, I make seitan. I make seitan for a lot of my plant based meat products should I want some. Some of the recipes out there are insane. And CHEAP! I understand that it's hard to cut out meat from your diet. I found it challenging when I first gave up. My advice is to approach it from a completely different perspective. Instead of coming at it from the environmental angle, we should try and look at it from the animal's perspective. Or in this case, the victim's perspective. I believe there is a far greater success rate when people go the ethical approach rather than the environmental approach. I recommend watching numerous documentaries on the subject of what animals endure for our foods. 'Dominion', 'Earthlings', 'Vegucated' and 'Land Of Hope And Glory' are all available free on KZread. Good luck and thank you once again for the helpful information.

I’m not sure why FBS was introduced with that negative inflection. I suppose it’s not completely animal free, but I think a very good case could still be made to day that it is still Cruelty free. To me at least, the cruelty aspect is my moral objection to eating factory farmed meat, if you remove the cruelty aspect, I, and I suspect a lot of people, have no moral objection to eating animal products.

Interesting video! I had no idea about the FBS aspect of lab-grown meat. Here's hoping that a purely synthetic version can be created soon, for those that insist on eating actual meat. Meanwhile, I started trying plant-based products some years ago, to see what they're like and how good they're getting. (I'm in the UK btw). 30 years ago, a sausage-meat replacement was good enough that a chap at a party wouldnt believe there as nothing from an animal in teh sausage rolls I'd made and brought to the party - but that was about the only meat-substitute product I could honestly say I liked back then. More recently, I've come to prefer plant protein burgers to actual meat ones; ditto the sausages and meatballs that I buy. There are some good non-dairy cheeses (and have been for some years), although if you expect , say, an exact replica of Cheddar cheese, you may be out of luck, but if you simply regard them as new types of cheese to try and hopefully enjoy, chances are decent you'll find one you like. Milk was my main sticking point, particularly for use in tea. But about a year ago, I came across oat milk, and it is yummy, and doesnt negatively affect the taste of tea (IMO. YMMV). Bacon substitutes - they're nice enough in themselves, but only about 2/3-3/4 the way to being as close to real bacon as the burgers are to beefburgers. TLDR - There ARE good plant-based substitutes for processed meat products, and even some dairy products. The same can't be said for cuts of meat (although as I only ever liked processed meats, that wasnt a problem for me). The quality of the the substitutes (in terms of taste and texture compared to the real thing) can vary widely between manufacturers though, so it's worth trying more than just one brand. One way and another, good luck, all, with doing your best to adapt your diet in the way that is most suitable for you!

@BannDesigns

2 жыл бұрын

The statement in this video that it wouldn‘t be possible to grow labgrown meat without FBS from animals is just wrong. Take Mosa Meat, the creators of the first lab grown burger patty in the video as an example. They state the following: „Developing an alternative to FBS was a difficult task that took Mosa Meat years of research, but our scientists have been able to completely remove it from our media.“ They accomplished this in 2019 and wouldn‘t continue research if it wasn‘t possible to grow labgrown meat without FBS from animals.

@DemonLordGamingAC0

2 жыл бұрын

I really like these ideas. But when every month groceries just eat whatever money we get, this more expensive alternative isn't viable. (I'm Brazillian btw)

@PresidentialWinner

2 жыл бұрын

Ditto, TLDR, IMO, YMMV, dude you need to use less of these things roflmao To your comment; It's true the substitutes have become better and will continue to do so. But the argument for lab grown meat is that it's not "kind of like" or "similar to" it's the same product, only made without any ethical baggage that comes from meat production. It's the endgame. For example i don't mind oatmilk either, but i do prefer regular milk. So i am quite happy that they (some scientists/companies) are also creating synthetic milk which uses vats and bacteria. The end product is identical to milk.

@PresidentialWinner

2 жыл бұрын

Oh and i read about a seaweed which tastes like bacon when fried. It seems impossible but i would love to try that.

@DemonLordGamingAC0

2 жыл бұрын

@@PresidentialWinner with the right seasoning it look very plausible

Damn that music in the beginning. Thought my speakers were broken x)

Can they not clone cattle fetuses in order to acquire FBS?

The topic is fascinating and it can help but like all great ideas there are always downsides Subsequently; This idea is better then slaughtering for meat so I am pushing for this idea too

In general I expect a lab grown T-bone steak is going to be very unlike the real thing and will have a vague similar appearance. The bones will be extruded like huge long straight pasta noodles from a calcium bone paste and then a long tubular shaped slab of muscle will be glued onto the bone with a material that will resemble ligament when it firms up. The resulting T-bone "slab" is then run through a cutter to form each individual steak.

@ohhi8323

Жыл бұрын

imagine yourself being someone's steak. Please go vegan, animals don't exist to fulfill human demands and pleasures.

@publiccharge3847

Жыл бұрын

I think the best use would be ground meat like in fast food hamburgers or chicken sandwiches. Don't expect a T bone

For anyone that wants a meat substitute right now that's already similarly priced and more environmentally friendly than meat, Impossible burger / sausage is my favorite out of the dozen or so kinds I've tried. It's the only one where I might actually think it was meat, if I was eating a burger and didn't know what it was.

@edstar83

Жыл бұрын

How did I escape the "climate change' the indoctrination camp?

Wow Thank you so much for putting this out there 👍🏽👍🏽

I would totally remove music

@N0Xa880iUL

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed

We may have to resort to modifying the cells of the meat in order to make it grow in a lab. The current process "works" but not well enough to justify it. If we could tweak the cells to grow better on their own or trick them to think they're in a body we could make synthetic meat more viable.

@sailor5853

Жыл бұрын

And freaking lab grown cancer

@kimlarso

Жыл бұрын

Tweak it to trick it? Just vaccinate it then

@erinm9445

Жыл бұрын

Tricking them to think they are in a body is exactly what FBS does (as do any vegan alternatives to FBS)

Not slotering animals and not hurting animals in any possible way is an excellent idea but must not hurt animals.

Does the FBS eventually stop working at telling the cells to keep replicating? Along with that, how do our bodies react to that in digestion? Do they but things in different places?

I'm glad you included the part about serum, far too much of the coverage of lab grown meat omits it and it's one of the two biggest issues for lab grown meat. The other, of course being extremely high energy usage. The other issues are serious, but probably reducible.

@thrdeye7304

Жыл бұрын

On the other hand, condensing the blood of 666 cow fetuses into a double cheeseburger is metal as fuck and I want one. \m/

@writerchick94

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that was pretty horrifying

@mnomadvfx

7 ай бұрын

Any process as arguable immature as lab cultured meat is likely to be ripe for serious optimisation of energy use. As they are still concentrating on the science a la FBS alternatives they are likely not concentrating on the area of facility/process optimisation at this point - that will come further down the line.

Fabulous video

@unusuario5173

2 жыл бұрын

The video is 17 minutes long. How did you watch it already?

@realscience

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks 🤗

@N0Xa880iUL

2 жыл бұрын

Abe dekh to lete pehle

@chicovicente2845

2 жыл бұрын

Always treat to bump into people I subscribe to in random corners of KZread

@michaelwallace9291

2 жыл бұрын

@@unusuario5173 on faith?

Please do more insane biology you could do parisitic wasp or coral

Great presentation. Thank you!

The most educational edutainment channel. You always deliver exceptional content

There will always be huge hurdles to overcome in new tech, let's just hope that we get around them asap.

@migueeeelet

2 жыл бұрын

And they are on it!

Would it be possible to add time tags to the references please? If not for this video, in the future.

These are the reasons Impossible Burgers just STONKED in popularity. When there's somewhat meat alternatives available *cheaper* than meat itself, why do the super-complicated science to get lab grown meat?

It's always a good day when a new Real Science vid is released. This reminds me of videos made by What I Learned that discussed some common misconceptions about meat and its environmental impact.

@barneyclifton6402

2 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of the misconception that meat production is the problem.

This seems like a lot of trouble to go through to create something that already has several analogues in the fungus/mushroom world. In fact, we're trying to back-replicate mushrooms, looking at the process. I am an omnivore but I have also started to keep chickens and now I don't really feel like eating them or their eggs (I used to LOVE eggs, it was a primary protein for me and ate them every day at more than one meal usually). I have a feeling if I keep a pig or cow it will end up the same, so outside of sea bugs the only alternatives are finding other proteins.

@kennethkho7165

2 жыл бұрын

I disagree. In the grand scheme of things, doesn't really cost much to attempt making economically viable lab grown meat, so it's not really "a lot of trouble". And it's great if you love mushrooms, but it's also great to have many affordable consumer choice. At the end, only consumers can provide answers to the fundamental economic questions: "What should we produce? How should we produce it? For whom should we produce it?"

@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. There's an industry that's perfected growing, managing, and processing natural beef. The money and effort should be spent on making that industry more humane and more environmentally friendly. For all the people with moral qualms, there's always abstinence, tofu, vitamins and bugs for their dietary replacements.

@russellzauner

2 жыл бұрын

@@kennethkho7165 "great if you love mushrooms" I hate mushrooms, they are slimy and gross. But I like meals made with chicken of the woods, lobster claw, etc. THEY LITERALLY LOOK AND TASTE LIKE MEAT. You have been conditioned by the meat industry, another puppet of Keynesian Economics. You now have the burden of knowledge. What you do with it is how you will live your life thereafter.

@russellzauner

2 жыл бұрын

@@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 You seem like the kind of person that would recommend abstinence for the elimination of STDs instead of solving them problem, then would go ahead and keep having sex the way that causes the problem. I could ask you a couple questions I already know the answers to and really don't care to hear again. The people who want to persist are those who are either extracting wealth or having the wealth extracted from them and aspiring to be the ones doing the extraction someday in return for their loyalty to inhumanity. For all the people with indoctrination into the culture of victimhood , there's always going to live in a cave so you don't have to watch your perceived entitlement vanish while the rest of the world actually learns things and puts that knowledge to use, regardless of your programmed sensibilities granted to you by oil and steel barons of a long gone time that needs to finish vanishing (we don't need oil or steel either, never did). You have been conditioned by the meat industry, another puppet of Keynesian Economics. You now have the burden of knowledge. What you do with it is how you will live your life thereafter. It shows the color of your character.

@GrandCorsair

2 жыл бұрын

@@russellzauner Jesus Christ man lighten up

damn I was looking forward to this stuff

Wow. I didn't know about this FBS part and high expenses. That really sucks because I was so excited for this 😔