I'm glad the point wasn't "You were wrong to think The Incredibles is a great movie."

@ProxiProtogen

Жыл бұрын

You're wrong, it's fantastic

@austinsears4780

Жыл бұрын

@@ProxiProtogen Exactly my point

@Kyo-bd4tw

Жыл бұрын

@@ProxiProtogen maybe even incredible

@train4292

Жыл бұрын

I got so worried for a second bro. You have no idea :p

@thegladve

Жыл бұрын

@@ProxiProtogen I believe it's appropriate to call it Incredible.

Most Pixar villains are "villains", but Syndrome is a "supervillain" Syndrome committed the worst crimes a person can commit. I'm glad that Brad Bird had the courage to show it in an animated movie targeted towards a young audience (I'm aware that Pixar movies are made with adults in mind as well). Syndrome killed many people with superpowers just because Mr. Incredible was rude to him because his priority was Buddy's safety. Mr. Incredible had to let Bomb Voyage go just to save Incredi-boy, but Buddy misunderstood the entire point, which caused him to become Syndrome. Syndrome wanted to keep the people in control by pretending to be a superhero while his robots attacked anyone he didn't like/opposed him and then "save" the innocent people to keep the damage under control. Also, he wanted to create chaos by selling superweapons to everyone, so no one would be super anymore and "supers" would kill each other alongside the remaining people with actual superpowers.

@azuredragonofnether5433

Жыл бұрын

And he even had poor suit design philosophy. Which got him to meet his greatest fan and subsequently turned into minced meat.

@wafflebroz

Жыл бұрын

@Tirsiak Ingolf The fireball was due to the engine blowing up. Which was jammed with Syndrome. At least that’s how I remember it

@redpanda6497

Жыл бұрын

It's called "family movie". It's not a kids' movie with adult references, it's really for everyone.

@ZilbaFollie

Жыл бұрын

Funny thing is, some parents actually complained about the more adult content and Brad Bird simply responded by asking why they took their very young kids to see it in the first place. The PG rating did actually mean something back in 2004, after all.

@natecgames4612

Жыл бұрын

One thing that I noticed that made him arguably better as a villain is the implications of syndrome selling his gear so everyone becomes super. He gets the glory of a generation or two of people watching him battle without anyone else fighting the bots alongside or away from him, then he will revolutionize the entire country if not the world, making it so that when he's long gone from the world his page in history will be bigger then any real superhero out there.

I agree with all of it with the addition of the wonderful Edna Mode; she has no innate superpower of flight, strength, flexibility etc., like Syndrome, instead she uses her intelligent creativity as a supportive role of the superheroes, gives them psychological and meaningful advice, beating sense into them if need be, and encourages them to pursue who they are and what they want. She is the perfect opposite of Syndrome with a similar level of vanity (but of the good kind). Her powers lie in supporting the main cast that the broad audience of the public don't have dedication to.

@kenb2957

8 ай бұрын

Oh my goodness she even has a lair. It would be a supervillain lair if she wasn't a good guy, she has security systems and extravagant statues (cascading water on a hero to contrast Syndrome's lava cascade), and she restricts her designs if she believes it would cause any harm to any hero. She never walks anyone out the door without letting them know just how dangerous the job is (Bob runs through fire like his suit can withstand and Helen gets hit with a rocket just like her suit preview). Plus, we know Edna didn't make Syndrome's costume in one part because it makes him look like the Hamburgler, terrible outfit for a good guy, and one part because it has a CAPE. Undoubtedly he probably tried to set up a meeting with her with his wealth as collateral, or otherwise went to a less scrupulous rival of hers.

@Mercurio2435

7 ай бұрын

But the the fact that she only passively *supports* the main characters and never actually goes out to fight real crime with her skills once again shows that in the story, actual intelligent people can never be strong enough to do anything meaningful. They can only assist from the background.

@sdgkh09

7 ай бұрын

@Mercurio2435 She's intelligent enough to simply know that it would squander too much of her options, possibilities and responsibility if she became as haughty as Syndrome. Besides, she doesn't need to prove herself to anyone in the story, she rest on the fact that she knows and acts that she is intelligent. The story is often only meaningful when the main character(s) actually learn something and whatever they learn, most intelligent and humble enough people have already learned that. Their story are often in multiple and different levels and often too complex for simple entertainment as common Disney and Pixar films (with exceptions of Hiro and Tadashi Hamada in "Big Hero Six" and Phineas and Pherb in "Phineas and Pherb"). I guess there's Bruce Wayne in Batman-films, Spiderman in Spiderman-films, Steven Hawkins in "The Theory of Everything", Oppenheimer in "Oppenheimer", the crucial catalyst Professor Dumbledore from the HP-franchise (all three main cast always are at awe how much he knows), Mark Zuckerberg in "The Social Network", Will Hunting and Sean Maguire in "Good Will Hunting", Ariadne and Cobb in "Inception", Ellen Ripley in "Alien", Amélie in "Amélie", Don Cheadle in "Hotel Rwanda", Nelson Mandela in "Mandela" - I know there's a lot more but anything more after this point would be a bit unintelligent and moot. Having an absolute viewpoint on anything is something both the common and intelligent protagonists either avoid doing or learn to avoid doing through admission and humility. That doesn't mean their pride and haughtiness is completely gone. One of Edna Mode's wonderful trait is her pride for herself and her work, and sometimes she is a bit haughty without being nonsensical or irrelevant to the story.

@randallbesch2424

28 күн бұрын

Intelligence, creativity, and drive are all normal super powers rare ones.

@TheManinBlack9054

23 күн бұрын

Yes, but she is only a support to a true hero, born to be a hero, someone with the right to be a hero, someone with the blood of a hero, she can never in that movie become something greater, always relegated to the second place due to her blood and happenstance of her birth.

I think the best summation of the point 4shame makes in the video is this: even if Syndrome had succeeded in saving the day and gotten the glory for doing it, he still wouldn’t have been a hero. He would have still been a selfish, egotistical, and vindictive manchild, who refused to let go of his past and who only saw people as tools to satisfy his own ego. Meanwhile, even if Mr. Incredible had failed in stopping Syndrome, he still would have been a hero, because he laid down his life to save the city and saved the day, not to be praised for it, but because it was the right thing to do.

Honestly, I think your reading is pretty solid. I haven't watched The Incredibles in a while, but I always found the "edgy" message of "you can only be born great" that all the clickbaity KZread videos say this movie is about to be very sus, as that was not the movie I remembered watching when I was a kid.

@gunarsmiezis9321

Жыл бұрын

I find this very interesting that YT has burried the actual right wings take on the movie in edgy parodies of it.

@gunarsmiezis9321

Жыл бұрын

@Caitlyn Carvalho Infact I cant find the video I am referring to in this comment. Its propablly in my 1000s long watch history but Im not gona go looking for it there. Anyways the part of the video I still remember is how it commented on mister Incredible being forced to work for something that doesnt suit him under a boss that is inferior to him and is unable to go stop a mugging he sees outside because of how the system is opposed to people using their natural strengths for good.

I never thought of the film's message the way you explained, but it makes sense. Mr. Incredible represents a genuine superhero, as he's someone who wants to help those in need, no matter the cost to himself, and doesn't lap up the praise he receives for doing it. Meanwhile, Syndrome represents a fake superhero, in that he only cares about showing off his powers and receiving praise for helping others, rather than actually helping them. Syndrome represents what he THINKS a superhero is like, while Mr. Incredible represents what an ACTUAL superhero is like.

Syndrome IS super. He has super intelligence with technology. But he's fixated on the superficial, masculine ideal of super. I've been yearning for people to realize this.

I think I agree with your interpretation. Another thing is that when Bob first got back into being a superhero, he was mostly doing it for superficial reasons as well (he wanted to go back the good old days). But he mostly spent his time defeating robots on a deserted island, not helping anyone at all or gaining widespread recognition for it. Once his family, and later the city, were put in danger, he began fighting out of doing the right thing again, at a time when being a hero actually mattered. There's also the fact that Syndrome originally wanted to be a hero in order to be like Mr. Incredible, but I don't recall any indication that he wanted to do so for altruistic reasons either. He was just a little kid idolizing someone and the fact that he turned against being a hero because he felt spurned by his idol tells me that he was never trying to be a true hero in the first place. What doesn't make sense to me about the "You can only be born good" idea is that if Syndrome was a good guy, he'd be immensely helpful with his technology. Even without natural superpowers, he definitely had the potential to be a badass normal superhero. *He* chose not to be the good guy.

@speedracer2008

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Even if Syndrome had superpowers, he’d still be a terrible person. The powers don’t make one a hero. One’s actions do.

@alondraperez-ramirez8363

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, he's pretty much an evil version of Edna Mode who needs no super power 😉

This is a really clever but simple idea that I'm surprised more people didn't come up with. Maybe the Omnidroids represent running over everything to get to a position the villain wants without caring about the lives of the real heroes at all as well. And the Omnidroid itself is representative of a monster having no heart and crushing everything and everyone in its way to get where it wants to be. Though that's just my own little idea.

Wait, people actually don't get this? I watched The Incredibles as a kid and I understood upon first viewing the message that being a Super takes more than simply having powers, you gotta have the wits, the guts the goodness of heart as well. Syndrome lost against HIS OWN ROBOT, not because his powers aren't natural---it's because he doesn't have the mindset and experience of a Super even *after* he has used technology to *surpass* Supers in power. Like, it's straightforward...

I like how every villain uses technology, which requires more time to develop and be able to do something with compared to super powers. the villains are very desperate to get their way. they aren't born like the super heroes are so they have to work, just to be defeated by someone who's gifted with super powers. it's scary considering that syndrome was being able to do what he did.

I always thought the movie was about letting go of the past. Like Bob wanted to relive his glory days and put his family in danger due to running into Syndromes trap with the robot fighting mission. In the end when he was about to lose his family due to the consequences of him living in the past he learns to look into the future and works together with his family to defeat the robot and lead a better future with his superhero family. Syndrome does not learn this lesson. He has all this talent and technological wisdom he could use to make the world better and become a "hero" in his own ways. Instead he holds on to the humiliation he had from his encounter with Mr. Incredible and lets his resentment grow so much that it takes over all his actions even though he could have become so much better (I mean look at all his stuff for real). Even his death due to his cape is kinda metaphorical to this as he is sucked into the engine by something he could have left behind (due to Edna haha) At least that is my interpretation but maybe I'm reading way too much into this.

@josesosa3337

Жыл бұрын

Yeah!! To Edna, capes are old, out of fashion, and clunky. Capes were something that were tried but they needed to be left behind to move forward. To syndrome, capes are part of the heroic image, and so he couldn't move forward which lead to his resentment of mr incredible, and heroes as a whole, which led to his defeat. Great comment.

@speedracer2008

Жыл бұрын

I think this is a fair interpretation of the story's message.

In regards to Syndrome, there’s a line from the Powerpuff girls that I believe best represents him to a T: “Better heroes, huh?”

@PhoenixRising87

Жыл бұрын

Funny you should mention Powerpuff Girls, because I recently reached the conclusion that Syndrome is bascially an adult male version of Princess Morebucks.

5:01 Uh no. The story introduces him as an ANTAGONIST, it doesn't tell you he is a villain. Even though Syndrome is portrayed as the partial catalyst for the whole conflict of the story, it's still written in a way to make you forget about him until he does appear again - even if someone more well-versed in writing conventions might've seen it coming (or found it logical in retrospect). So yes, Syndrome IS a twist villain - and a twist main-antagonist too. He was unequivocally written that way, regardless of how you feel about him. I do agree that John Silver isn't a twist villain, he's an anti-hero. Still, the way he betrays Jim is totally a twist - because even though it's implied to happen before it does, the story makes you heavily doubt it actually will.

THANK YOU OMG that "people are born great" interpretation is so tired and i've never once seen it that way since I was a kid, i never really understood how so many people could come to that conclusion lol

I do like the theory, but I do have one minor issue with it. In the DVD version, one of the bonus features is being able to look at all the hero bios, including characters that were only mentioned and never shown. There was one particular hero named Gamma Jack, who was one of the guys that took Syndrome two tries to kill off. Anyway, each of the heroes, or most of them anyway, have audio files where they describe themselves. Gamma Jack admits to being a particularly selfish person who puts people on a priority list based on how attractive they are. Generally he tends to save people he finds attractive before he saves people he deems ugly. This is a pretty selfish personality trait, and kind of comes off as a trait someone would have if they were only in it for fame. Not quite a given, but I thought this character was worth noting.

I feel like the intended message is more along the lines of, "You have the potential to be a hero. It's what you DO with your gifts that makes you a hero or not." Syndrome was able to create rocket boots when he was a child. His creativity and engineering skills are incredible. If he wanted to use his gifts for good, he could legitimately be a superhero of legendary status. The idea comes up a few times that everyone is special, and therefore, no one is. But that last part is not the truth. Every major character in this story is capable of things no one else can do. Dash can run on water, Violet can turn invisible, and so on. Edna doesn't have powers, yet she can create suits that will accommodate any super's power set, which is both unique and ridiculously useful. I see her as the foil to Syndrome. The combination of your perspective and your abilities is something only you have. With some creativity and willingness to improve yourself, you can accomplish remarkable things. You can be a hero. That said, I do wish there were superheroes without powers and supervillains with powers in the Incredibles universe. I think that even if the powers as altruism metaphor was the intent, it gets undermined by the fact that powers are determined by genetic luck while goodness comes down to choice.

3:56, for the record, the case you laid out isn’t Randian it’s Nietzschean. They both believed in Egoism, the idea of living exclusively for your own sake, but the fundamental dichotomy of classes of humanity into Master classes and Slave classes based on their fundamental nature was an argument that Nietzsche made which Rand criticized

The Incredibles movie is the best superhero movie because it's actually a deep family drama disguised as a superhero movie.

I've also heard from a bunch of places that The Incredibles is objectivist, but I feel like people who say that forget that one of the tenets of objectivism is an absurd love of capitalism. The plot of Atlas Shrugged is basically Ayn Rand talking about how great CEOs and capitalists are. But in The Incredibles, we're shown that the corporation Bob works for is cruel and greedy, and Syndrome is basically Tony Stark if he decided to keep being a war profiteer. And all the super-heroes behave altruistically, not selfishly (selfishness being a trait Ayn thought was good).

@capitanpastabase6342

Жыл бұрын

Well, in the fountainhead, Roarke lost his job because he did what HE wanted instead of what his boss told him to do. I know that the context is different and that Roarke and Mr Incredible are very different, but Atlas Shrugged is not the only novel Rand wrote.

@parrot998

Жыл бұрын

@@capitanpastabase6342 The difference is not to be glossed over. Ayn Rand viewed altruism and selflessness as inherantly wrong. But it is purely through altruism that Mr. Incredible wants to help the person being mugged. It isn't his own goals he wants to pursue, but the pure desire to help because someone is in trouble or distress. He is morally opposed to being a bystander, even if it would be in his own interest to do so... Early in the film he is so dedicated to helping as many people as he can that he prioritizes saving a cat from a tree before trying to stop a guy from escaping the cops. He cuts his own wedding super close. One of the most important days of his life, to prevent an attempted suicide, a bank robbery, saving a single potential casualty even though it prevented him from stopping the robbery, and he prevented a train from derailing... He is doing it purely because he cares... And though we get less info about Elastigirl and Frozone's superheroing since the opening focuses on Mr. Incredible, it is pretty easy to assume since Bob is so close to them, that they most likely aren't in it for some kind of selfish motivation... Ayn Rand would hate the movie, and if the Parrs were real people, they'd hate Rand just as much.

@zenkim6709

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it is excruciatingly ironic how the Randians continue to spout their gospel of greed as handed down to them by the ghost hand of Ayn Herself -- as tho She was an intellectual powerhouse & an economics genius (wrong on both counts: she was a refugee from Russia's communist revolution who grew to despise socialism so vehemently that it pushed her worldview in the opposite direction beyond all reason, something that I've sadly observed in plenty of Asian-American & Cuban-American people as well). This "revealed truth" of Libertarianism would have us believe that all good things *& only good things* come from a completely unrestricted environment in which intelligent individuals (who apparently spring out of a complete vacuum, no cultural ties or social contracts whatsoever) R free to do & take anything they want out of "enlightened self-interest" (Randians seem to love that phrase, tho I seldom see them use it nowadays). Meanwhile, both recent history & current events repeatedly demonstrate how utterly, inherently dangerous it is for any social body of people to operate w/ no societal restrictions nor governmental checks on power -- because the powerhungry unfailingly seek & act to gain more & more power, no matter how many rights they violate, regardless of how many others they harm. As writer Wyn Hilty pointed out, their actions prove that, if the Randians truly had their way, they'd squash the rest of us like bugs ... apart from maybe leaving just enuff survivors to form a permanent underclass for the ruling Randian elite.

Well, I'd say that the part that most people forget is that NOWHERE in the movie does Mr. Incredible say that you can't be a super hero without powers. BUDDY says it. Why didn't Mr. Incredible want Buddy joining him? He's a KID! Obviously he doesn't know what he's getting into and he causes much more harm than good. There's also the thing with "Dad says our powers are nothing to be ashamed of, that they make us special" line that Dash mentions he was told, but to understand that, we need to look at Violet. "NORMAL?! We only ACT normal! I want to BE normal!" Huh, it sounds like she's ashamed of her powers. Ever hear of "Love who you are"? That sounds like the message he was giving; NOT that "normal" people were not special. Yes, he did get that junk about "celebrating mediocrity" but he's really just feeling bitter over how he can't live his glory days without getting yelled at or looking like a bad guy, an INCOMPETENT bad guy! Like Helen says, "This is not about you..." and she's right, it's NOT about him, but Bob just can't figure that part out. So no, I don't think that it's about being born great, just a lot of misinterpretation and false memory.

3:04, I’ve heard of that one and disparaged that interpretation. Syndrome equates Mr. Incredible rejecting him as a sidekick with Mr. Incredible being prejudiced against those who don’t have superpowers even though in the prologue scene of the Incredibles, Mr. Incredible also refuses to work with Elastigirl on the grounds that “I work alone”. When Mr. Incredible tells Syndrome that he killed real heroes to pretend to be one, Syndrome views it as a slight against him for not having powers (even though it’s not) and all that really shows is that Syndrome doesn’t understand the difference between perception and reality

@speedracer2008

Жыл бұрын

Yep. Syndrome made it all about himself.

@matityaloran9157

Жыл бұрын

@@speedracer2008 Precisely

I think your theory holds pretty true. In the second movie, the main villain doesn’t have any powers there either, so it’s pretty much a continuation of what’s being proposed here.

While I appreciate the generous read, and I LOVE the Incredibles movie and can understand why you'd want to interpret it this way, I just can't get behind it. Something about Brad Bird's underlying philosophy whiffs of "only certain people are born special." Sure, the superhero protagonists care about others, but so does Mirage, who got caught up in a bad situation and realizes what she's doing is wrong: when Dash and Violet are seemingly killed on the jet, when she sees the family needs help to escape the island. She starts to care about others. But she wasn't born special, so what does the film do with her? She doesn't get praise or glory, in fact her only really pivotal scene focused on her character in one where she's helpless, the fragile pawn of two more powerful men. The government agents, teachers, and tiny bosses of the world are more dull non-supers who do little more than to confine, constrain, irritate, and get in the way of the people who were born special. I think Incredibles looks down especially on Syndrome because he's jealous of the glory that the supers used to get before the non-super government intervened. He wasn't born special so he uses technology to imitate what he can never truly have or be. Mr. Incredible realizes he'll never be one of them, so instead of being told to care about others, he's tossed aside because he's another little non-super getting in the way. Again I LOVE this movie! I think it's well written. The animation holds up decades hence. It's stylish as hell! But I think it definitely tips its hand about about what Brad Bird thinks about important people and who can and should have power.

@rokeYouuer

Жыл бұрын

If I were to apply a message to the Incredibles, it'd be *don't squander the gifts you've been given.* Syndrome was hyper fixated on becoming a superhero, never realizing that his technology and genius could have led him to greater fame and fortune than the superheroes he admired. Elastigirl wanted her kids to hide their powers, but that ultimately put their lives in jeopardy. Mr. Incredible was miserable as an office drone, because he's born to be a superhero. Then there's Edna, who excels at what she does - she designs superhero costumes, and seems to be one of the happiest characters in the movie.

Let's not forget that Syndrome always wears his costume to try and appear good, but Bob tried to do good in his office job and eventually was fired because he couldn't deal with not being able to help people (since he ends up punching his boss in the face, through a wall).

I always thought that the idea of The Incredibles had nothing to do with “If you’re not born great, you don’t deserve greatness”, I thought that it was something more along the lines of “Don’t force someone to hold back their greatness just because they are different” or “Be great in your own way”. Sure, the superheroes did win a genetic lottery when getting their powers, but they don’t use their powers for bad or selfish means… They literally put theirselves at great risk to help the general public so I don’t see how that can in anyway be seen as selfish. I also find it odd in a way since Syndrome could have actually been great (in a different way), but decided to fade into obscurity with his plans. The guy is obviously quite an intelligent individual and technology he invented could have made him quite rich and famous, but he threw it all away just to get back at Mr. Incredible simply because of a petty grudge. So… I guess another lesson would be “Don’t abuse your greatness”.

I think it's a valid interpretation, but two things: 1) there are still some elements of essentialism that I don't much care for using innate superpowers as a metaphor in this way, and 2) that's probably fine for a family movie. Also, streaming channel link?

I remember checking out the Incredibles on DVD from my local library as a 10 year old. I have no regrets.

I like this interpretation of the film. It's a lot more optimistic than the Ayn Rand interpretation. I do think the film was going for the Ayn Rand one though as it has a lot of "Atlas Shrugged" imagery. However, it does have the scary implication that someone who isn't good cannot become good like Syndrome cannot get powers. Using this interpretation, we have to assume that people who have done bad things have no potential to ever be rehabilitated to do good for the world which is unrealistic.

@alondraperez-ramirez8363

Жыл бұрын

I think the movie shows non powered people doing good. Edna has no powers but uses her technology to make the most efficient suits for heroes to save the day and it's her tracker that lets Helen and the others rescue Bob.

@capybaragames347

Жыл бұрын

@@alondraperez-ramirez8363 I do agree. Also Edna is an absolute queen. I think people forget the message at the start compared to the end, When Dash tells his mom "If everyone is special then no one is". However, while Dash defines "special" as having powers, the movie goes out of it's way to show non-powered people who go above and beyond. This makes them special too. It was never about the powers. We see good people who have no powers. It was about this perception that we're special just because we have powers (in real life this would be gifts and talents), we're good because we have powers (our gifts and talents), we're owed respect and admiration because we have powers (our gifts and talents). It's the "I'm better because I was born different" type of arrogance. That whole perception is shown as wrong by the villain Syndrome who acts as a reflection of what Dash could become if he doesn't let go of the idea that all it takes to be good and special is having powers. Dash literally uses his powers (gifts and talents) to torment a teacher who was just doing his job. That doesn't seem very heroic to me.

I also thought syndrome isn’t just hero syndrome, he also has main character syndrome. He seems to have the mentality that since he’s the underdog with no powers, he’s the main character. He thinks everything has to revolve around him and that his life is some movie. He can use his genius to help others, advance technology, become an actual superhero and prove Bob wrong but chooses to keep the best stuff for himself so he can live out his supervillian and superhero fantasy while taking the glory and so petty he wants to stick it to the hero’s that rejected him without realizing the reason was 1) he’s a kid, they can’t do a Batman, and 2) he’s immature and doesn’t actually understand heroism

Very clever sponsored ad! I was of the opinion that the reason for dissecting "The Incredibles" was to figure out how Pixar managed to get so much success both at the box office and in critical acclaim.

Finally! Another video by you at last

8:13, there is some truth to your idea. The fact that Syndrome can’t distinguish between perception and reality is an extremely big deal within the movie. Even as Buddy he thought that knowing Mr. Incredible’s signature moves and catchphrases qualified him to be Incrediboy despite it not being actual training and as Syndrome he doesn’t understand that his entire plan consists of killing heroes to pretend to be a hero since he doesn’t understand the difference between being regarded as a hero and actually being a hero so there’s no doubt the difference between perception and reality is a theme of the movie

Syndrome is so obsessed with the “super” part that he forgot about the “hero” part

I've looked at "Established Titles" a while ago; they don't allow you to do anything with the land you've "purchased." It's private forest property in Scotland; nothing more. Several people asked about buying multiple plots; not allowed. Several people asked about using the 1 square foot to bury an urn of ashes; also not allowed. So, you actually don't "own" the land; nor do you have any rights to do anything with it. Personally, for those reasons, I call it a scam. Maybe it doesn't fit the "legal definition" of a scam, but to me, it is one. When you're paying for something that you can't do anything with, I think that's a scam.

@rokeYouuer

Жыл бұрын

Come on - you're paying for an official title. Who would actually spend money on a single foot of real estate with the expectation of doing something with it?

@JonesNate

Жыл бұрын

@@rokeYouuer If all you want to do is change your legal name, you don't need anything special.

@rokeYouuer

Жыл бұрын

@@JonesNate I don't know if you're being obtuse or genuinely don't understand what's being sold. By purchasing a plot of land, you can have "lord" or "lady" officially listed on any and all legal documents. Note the use of words like "official" and "legal."

@JonesNate

Жыл бұрын

@@rokeYouuer I'm saying that I don't think it's necessary to buy a title to legally change your name. In other words, if I want to change my legal name to "Lord Nate Jones," all I need to do is file paperwork in the local court, I think. I don't need to buy a plot of Scottish land, or any land at all. And the US system, as far as I know, doesn't care what words I choose as a name. If I want to legally change my name to "Bacon Double Cheeseburger" I can. If I want my name to be "Michael Jordan," or "Orange Juice Simpson," or "Something Thataguy Brown," that's what the court can change my name to. I'm sure there are certain rules. Maybe they have to ask me a certain number of times, or maybe I need to prove that I can repeatedly spell my new name, but as far as I know, I can choose any name I want, without having to buy rights to it. (Copyrighted names like "Mickey Mouse" might be different; I'm not sure.)

@kiracaroso

11 ай бұрын

@@rokeYouuer That is not how you get a title, at least not one such as Lord, Lady, Duke, Dutchess, or any other ones along those lines. There are ways to get them after birth, but paying a random company money is not how that happens. A lot has come out since this video released, and yeah, full on scam on that front as well.

I think you are partially right, this wasn't really intended to be a superhero film but more of a family film, if this was a superhero film then they would have at least explained the origin of their powers, but instead we're left to assume that maybe their powers are like X-men, the focus of the movie was on the family

1:10 well this didn't age all that well, now did it Also, click 2:38 if you want to skip the ad

This is a very interesting and unique take on the films message. I'm glad I got to see this.

Can we just take a moment to appreciate how stupid Syndrome's plan was? If he wanted to reign as the one true superhero, he should have abandoned the Omnidroid capable of killing all of the supers and design one specifically for the act in the city which, instead of trying to attack Syndrome, would work with him and pretend to fight him so he could overcome it.

@ikrIkarus

5 ай бұрын

That was his hubris, he wanted to proof he was better than all the Supers, by defeating what they couldn't. Even though he had to resort to "cheating", being in control of the Omnidroid. Also of course hardly anybody knew that the Omnidroid bested all those heroes, but it mattered to him, which was all he really cared about. It also blinded him to the fact that the Omnidroid became smart enough to try and defy his control, so he actually though he was in full control, until the Omnidroid eventually attacked him.

I agree that Syndrome isn't a twist villain as he is not a good guy who is actually bad, but I think it's more of a twist about the villian, as buddy isn't directly shown to grow to hate Mr. Incredible (the scene where he throws the poster) until we already know that Syndrome is buddy

I mean, Syndrome never loses a straight fight. The irony is that if he just went out and started superheroing, he'd probably have been wildly successful. He's clever and his tech is nigh-unbeatable. It's because Syndrome wants to bury the age of superheroes and take all the glory for himself and to make absolutely sure that no Super could ever upstage him that he ended up being remembered as a cruel villain.

Pretty solid interpretation. Also, there's a problem with Ayn Rand interpretation that everyone (including you) seems to miss: while the children of the Parr family show that being a super is passed on genetically, there's nothing in the first movie to suggest that the other supers were _born_ with their powers....or perhaps more accurately, nothing to suggest their powers were genetically inherited from their parents, at least for the first generation. Based on the first movie alone, it's just as likely that they all got their powers from freak accidents, as is so common in comic books. They may have even all gotten their powers from the same freak accident, because that's happened in comics too. And even if stuff came up in the second movie, the comics or interviews with Brad Bird, the things that suggest all supers were born supers have alternate explanations, whether it's Frozone discovering his powers at the age of 2 (his freak accident could've happened when he was just a baby......or in utero, or maybe even when he was still gametes, which would mean he was technically born super, but still by freak accident rather than inherited genetic privilege) or Edna mode claiming that most baby Superheroes are born with one or two extra powers that they outgrow, suggesting that they're pretty common (again, freak accidents could have occurred when the future supers were in-utero or as gametes, and surely the Parrs were not the only supers who got busy; in fact, in the original concept there was a line about supers not being allowed to have children with each other....). So consider the possibility it's not about circumstance of birth at all; the supers are great because the opportunity to be great fell into their laps and they ran with it, while Syndrome and other tech-using villains are great because they decided to become great and worked for it. The children of either would inherit the greatness of their parents (whether through genetics or through wealth and technology) and would be born equally (though asymmetrically) privileged.

My main issue with this video is that you cannot seem to grasp the fact that a story can be about multiple things at a time.

You made a good argument that superheroes in "The Incredibles" were the good guys but the villains were just selfish bastards. The superheroes in that movie were much like America--trying to "do the right thing" but oh, the collateral damages! I won't say that the villains had no superpowers. Buddy was a genius. Unknown is whether Buddy also had wealth to become dangerous or if he had to leverage genius (and a moderate amount of wealth) into a lucrative "merchant of death" business. Syndrome was the only supervillain presented in depth during the movie with snippets of Bomb Voyage and The Underminer. We'll see more of The Underminer in the next Incredibles movie... I've got to see your take on "Megamind." Imagine creating a superhero so that a supervillain has challenging competition.

Also Syndrome's line "when everyone's super, no one will be" proves that he misses the point of the superpowers in the first place. He thinks that powers are what makes people super and that by giving everyone powers he'll (out of spite) strip the supers of theirs. And maybe he's right in a way that supers get a bit of a head start by being born with power without having to be extremely technologically innovative, creative, visionary, etc. However what stops this thinking is the very existence of technological innovations that can rival supers in the first place, as well as characters like Edna Mode, proving that one can still match a super without just being born that way. So because of this fundamental flaw and oversight, Syndrome misses the fact that being a proper super actually comes down to attitude, not powers. And while in the universe there probably would still be supers who went into the industry without the right attitude just because they were born that way, the likely reason why we don't see them is because they wouldn't have lasted long without those right intentions, as epitomised by Syndrome himself.

YES, IN ADDITION, I WANT TO SEE A SUPERVILLAIN IN THIS FRANCHISE WHO HAS POWERS, THERE IS SO MUCH POTENTIAL THERE!!! Especially since they would have needed to hide their abilities long before the Superheros had to go into hiding. You could easily have a villain develop from jealousy that the heros don't have to hide their abilities to anger that they're never able to express their abilities; I could have seen Dash going that direction if he never found a good outlet, for instance, and it's foreshadowed by him using his powers to prank his teacher with thumb tacks on his chair. Heroes without the outlet to use their abilities for good or who aren't taught to use them responsibly to help others will use them in other ways for their own self interests. Other franchises have explored this ofc, but the Incredibles has somehow avoided it so far, and if they can get the character focus back they had in the first one it could be really good.

I think you reasoned this theory well, and I even just thought of an additional piece of evidence: In Incredibles 2, Rick says "Politicians don't understand people who do good simply because it's right. It makes 'em nervous." So, the metaphorical reason why politicians made superheroes illegal is because they don't understand people who genuinely want to help, in this case, the superheroes, just like you said! I just gotta ask, though... what about the police who helped Mr Incredible in the beginning? They are people portrayed as having a desire to help people but who also don't have superpowers. According to your interpretation, shouldn't they also have superpowers since they also have a desire to help? Is it that they want to help, but not as much as the superheroes and not for free? Also, what's up with the criticism of the "everyone is special" phrase? What has that got to do with your interpretation? Is it that they're saying not everyone really wants to help?

Syndrome is actually a lot like Belos in that he basically wants to destroy these very wonderful extraordinary beings (Superheroes/Witches) because one of them (Mr Incredible/Evelyn) inconvenienced him once upon a time when he was a kid.

I completely agree, and I won't explain why

3:49, Actually the Randian interpretation of The Incredibles is that forcing Mr. Incredible not to be a superhero thus forbidding him from actualizing his full potential creates problems for everyone else because of circumstances wherein everyone else will need heroes like them and as a result, purely out of self-interest, everyone else should allow Mr. Incredible to be a superhero as he wishes to be. That’s what the Randians actually argue about this movie

@davidlewis6728

4 ай бұрын

this. it's so easy to misrepresent her given how much she enjoyed edgy phrases like "greed is good" when she's just talking about self-interest.

@matityaloran9157

4 ай бұрын

@@davidlewis6728 Yeah. I have my fair share of disagreements with Ayn Rand but I still think it’s necessary to acknowledge what the Randian argument actually says

@davidlewis6728

4 ай бұрын

@@matityaloran9157 i can respect that.

@matityaloran9157

4 ай бұрын

@@davidlewis6728 Thanks.

The theory I've heard most on it was with it being an expression of the creator's growth as a human being, and the dangers of super fans and how they can become creepily obsessive to the point of becoming actually dangerous. I've never heard of the political junk, so... I mean those people are honestly have reached a very different conclusion than the one I have reached in my experience and interpretation. Heck, I even thought for a while that the U.S. was corrupt and incompetent for banning Superheros for a while.

You were right about Long John Silver, M'Lord. I too didn't think of him as a twist villain.

I really like this interpretation because it shows the motivations of both sides.

I have one of these Establish Titles. Love it

Neat idea, but I don't think it holds very far. It feels like putting the cart before the horse a bit. For example, does an extension of this mean that the government (or society at large) is suppressing genuinely good people telling them they don't want them because of the damage they cause? There's definitely a through line of villains disappearing soon as supers went away, so are good people the ones causing bad people? Also, I think the read on "genuine" goodness is a bit off as well. Syndrome as a kid wanted to be a hero because he wanted to be a hero. Not out of being hungry for glory, but out of hero worship. "I see this amazing person, and I want to be like them." It isn't until he's spurned by his idol that his mission gets twisted. Even then, his end goal isn't to be a hero and get all the glory, but to level the playing field for everyone, give away his tech, and make everyone "super." Him being this amazing hero is just a means to an end. Even on the flip side, Mr. Incredible's motivation isn't pure goodness either, it's a midlife crisis. If anything HE is the one that wants to be a hero for superficial reasons. He feels out of shape and useless. His job is hollow. He's reminiscing on the good old days. Even his "job" as a hero before the reveal isn't actually saving anybody, but just killing robots over and over on a deserted island that serves no threat to anybody.

I like this interpretation

You Established Titles sponsorship is the first time I've seen your face, and it's like looking at a mirror. Normally Face Reveals don't phase me, because I'm more interested in the merits of the content itself. But if you let your beard grow out some more and donned a pair of glasses, you could almost pass as my twin lol

The old argument that the movie is claiming only those with talent will succeed seems flawed to me. Contrary to how he describes himself, Syndrome does have a super power, doesn't he? He invented rocket boots as a kid. That's a mark of superhuman intellect. What makes Syndrome a villain is not a lack of talent but that he squanders his talent on a petty grudge, wanting to look the part of a hero more than actually be a hero. In fact, the whole movie is full of characters, either by choice or by societal demand, squandering their abilities, either using them poorly or keeping them locked away. I see the movie's message in two ways. The first being that it is *good* to have a talent and to use it provided you do so responsibly. And the second is that no amount of glory will ever be as important as your responsibility to your family; that, more than anything else, is what your talents exist to support.

For all of his “When everyone’s super…” posturing, it’s very telling that Syndrome never thought of selling his inventions as like, mobility aids or medical devices or to improve city infrastructure.

I disagree with your view that Syndrome isn’t a plot twist villain. His return in of itself is a plot twist. Nobody expected him to make another appearance in the movie-let alone as the main villain of the movie & as the predominant initiator of the omnidroids. Great analysis though.

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One interesting angle I haven’t heard explored is the fact that Syndrome can be seen as a parody of superheros like Batman. Syndrome has all these resources and intelligence that could greatly improve the world, yet he decides to use them for revenge. You could argue that Batman is doing THE SAME THING; instead of using his massive fortune to improve Gotham, he is playing superhero to get revenge for the death of his parents. By making Syndrome both unlivable and simply despicable, it prompts a relook at heros like Batman; do we like them because they are truly good people saving the world, or because they’ve been cast in a sympathetic light?

you are 1000% correct about the true message to The Incredibles. it's a dark message but it works to the standard of this movie.

Ok, Ayn Rand... Lol jk. It's a very positive take and perhaps true in intent of the creators. The more nefarious message is probably ingrained due to the cultural prevalence of exalting individualism

Edna Mode is the beat part of the entire masterpiece

Your cartoon avatar looks exactly like you!

There's also an entire subplot about what it means to be super. Mr. Incredible complains that their giving away medals for simply participating. Essentially they're saying that everyone is super. And Syndrome explicitly plans to give everyone technology because "If everyone's super, then nobody is." I think it's pretty clear that the movie is arguing that fake superiority (like Syndrome's tech, and meaningless medals for children) is not admirable. That the world needs real, admirable super people.

I thought established titles went through a bunch of legal troubles

@kv1_t34

Жыл бұрын

It was a scam, the company dissolved shortly after that was revealed. This video was released months before that.

@TheWangspangler

Жыл бұрын

Oh, thank you

*sees sponsor* oops

3:27, that’s not actually what libertarians believe. They believe that the government is inherently violent (because of every law relies upon armed police willing, ready and able to use violence against the non-compliant as a mechanism of enforcement to have any meaning) and that the scope of the government should therefore be limited to the absolute minimum necessitated by the Non Aggression Principle (the idea that it’s illegal ever to initiate aggression against another individual or their property). Ayn Rand and Robert Nozick argued in favour of the idea that the government should be limited exclusively to the provision of police and national defence (an idea known as Minarchism) but other libertarians like F.A. Hayek didn’t go as far as Rand and Nozick did. Libertarian support of capitalism is based on the idea that Socialism, collective ownership of the means of production, is impossible without the heavy hand of government

There's this theory that Edna killed Syndrome by adding a cape.

Actually, I kinda like this analogy, but I never thought of this movie as an ego-trip in the first place, so that theory kinda surprised me.

Thats a very fluffy Coat...

Lord Magnus, it is an honor to be in your presence 🙏🙏

He basically wanted to help his hero but didn't actually listen to when the guy said to him repeatedly to not get involved

So it's basically, being nice vs being good taken to its most extreme, well the being the being nice part being at its most extreme at least.

Why are both the bear and human so handsome?

Snydrome could have been a real hero, if he had used his money and intelligence for good instead of his vain pursuit of glory.

Ayn Rand wasn't followed. I AGREE WITH YOU. In that world great intelligence, creativity and drive are superpowers but anyone can have it in our world.

I’ll be honest with you, I don’t think the incredibles has such a big overarching theme or symbolism. I think the fact that it is about superheroes is just the setting. The filmmakers took all the tropes of classic superheroes to make a comic book like world, and then posed the question “what would life be like for a superhero and his family?”. I think syndrome is presented as the villain because he is selfish and chooses himself over others, while Mr incredible is the hero because even though he’s selfish too (yearning for glory days, going against his wife’s wishes and needs, neglecting his family) he ultimately chooses to put his family (and the general public) above himself. I saw some people say Edna is syndromes foil, and that’s interesting, but I feel syndrome and mr incredible are the true foils, as they are parallel in many ways except for their moral choices. The fact bob and his family have superpowers is just the setting for this family drama, in my opinion. It’s a lot simpler but I think a much more satisfying meaning. If I remember correctly from Watching the behind the scenes of the incredibles, brad bird’s goal was to present bob’s “mid life crisis” and show the emotions and struggles he goes through as a regular man, while at the same time being super. Sorry I’ve been rambling. Great video 👍

Say what you will, Edna is more powerful than all of them, you can’t change my mind.

I find your criticism 100% correct. But I'll add that Syndrome is the best Vilian of pixar There are many reasons. BUT, for one, He comited Actual genocide...

Good video, bad sponsor

Why can’t Disney make movies like these anymore? So deep So meaningful So 3 dimensional (pun intended)

wuts the song in the outro?

@4shame

Жыл бұрын

I actually don't remember the name, it's from KZread's library

A very plausible interpretation. There is an interesting corollary between Dash responding to everyone being special as "which is another way of saying no one is." And Syndrom's "When everyone's super, no one will be." In both instances this seems portrayed as wrongheaded. Now if the idea that if all were special there would be no special is false, does that not undermine the idea that there are those that are special and those that are not? And if specialnes is not limited how can the Ayn Rand interpretation be true? And yet there is no indication that tech is bad or that using devices is a shortcut only used by the selfish among superheroes. Thus I can't fully get on board with the natural powers = intrinsic goodness tech = bad seed. But we do see evidence that even the "good guys" are seeking after glory their lives are not what they could be and only using their abilities selflessly do they feel at ease with the world. And so one of the main themes (nearly directly stated by Mirage) is one of true strength and power is not found in feats or abilities or technology but in the core of who you are and that surface glory may hide for a time your inner flaws they will show up sooner or later.

You're now magnus the red

Am sorta wondering what the kids superhero names would be

This is all well and good but a video without directly quoting Brad Bird who has had alot to say about the themes, writing, and production of this movie doesnt seem very complete. He's easily one of the most influential creators or animation in the last 3 decades. This was a very personal project to him and his own families issues weighed heavily into the movie. Syndrome wasn't even supposed to be the original villain and he's more of a representation of what happens if your identity isn't kept in check. Again. Directly from Brad. The original villain was slated to be Zurik (spelling?) who was mrs incredibles ex and more of a bond villain. I just don't think the superpowers vs technology aspect weighed very heavily into his process. In fact its a testament to how tight the writing is when he basically did a studio influenced villain swap at the 11th hour. Great video, love your content, but I had to get all Schafrillas over this one as Brad is a gd genius.

See, my logic was much simpler. lawyers ruin everything good for a buck. I guess yours works as well.

3:36, Ayn Rand did argue that unregulated Capitalism organized humanity into beneficial hierarchies. Rothbard didn’t. Mises didn’t. Hayek didn’t. Friedman didn’t. Nozick didn’t. Rockwell didn’t. Mill didn’t.

@davidlewis6728

4 ай бұрын

she also didn't argue that people weren't able to grow and become greater people. in fact, her novels are basically her writing about her ideal male, who is a self-actualizer. the other guys you mentioned are definitely also good sources of libertarian thought that completely disagree with a bunch of rand's ideas, though.

@matityaloran9157

4 ай бұрын

@@davidlewis6728 Yeah, I’m hardly an Objectivist but my point was essentially that he was strawmanning libertarianism

Which Long John Silver? Are you counting Treasure Planet's cause I thought they made him into an actual twist villain in that.

@travissmith2848

Жыл бұрын

Not really a twist. When we first meet him after Jim leaves he is talking to morph about how the kid is too smart and could cause trouble.

syndrome is a gamma male i think part of the movie was also showing the type of person that a gamma male is

No no youve got a point, this is propablly how the movie was originally envisioned. Youre just missing the more reactionary nature of this story (whos importance can only be realized easily when thinking why the next movie that has the opposite fails so bad).

Bob is also slightly selfish in this movie. Even though he wants to help people, he misses the attention and his glory days. And that’s why he needs to be better than Buddy

I'm wrong. = (

Established titles is a huge scam btw Don't know if you want to promote it to your audience or not

Establish titles ad… Time was not kind

Fo a video on disny twist villains in shows

6:12, that part is anti-Randian