You are definitely onto something, for I have also fallen for the Lunar month path, until similarly realizing that CHODESH contains reference no reference to the moon, that Enoch and Jubilees both warn against following the moon, and that it is highly likely a contrivance carried back from Babylon after the captivity. Where I would challenge you is in your non-biblical allegiance to a heliocentric universe..

@thedisciplestable5215

Жыл бұрын

Not sure what potion of this video gave evidence to "allegiance to a heliocentric universe". Can you elaborate to better understand?

@Exactamundo

Жыл бұрын

The books of Enoch and Jubilees on the moon are wrong. Read the book of Ecclesiasticus chapter 43:1-9 It aligns with gen 1:14. The reason the tradition came from Babylon is because Daniel was living there and he was made governor. He implemented this tradition. Elohim gave him a prophecy in Dan 7:25 that this tradition will be attempted to be changed , we have the Julian/gregorian calendar now. That prophecy of elohim is fulfilled.

@GB0915

Жыл бұрын

@@thedisciplestable5215 Your videos are very good. Some of us notice you referring to the earth as revolving instead of being immovable as God mentions in 1 Chron 16:30 among other verses that refer to the SUN's circuit (Psalm 19:6), etc. God never says that the sun "appears" to be moving, but "really" the earth is.... That contradicts what God has to say about the matter. If you could dig more into that, then I think that would help you understand the days/years to an even more precise level than what you have already discovered. Because with as much as you are digging into the meanings of the days/years, etc. and confirming that what you are saying match what God says, shouldn't the same be done with the physical characteristics of our earthly home so as not to misalign the very Word of God you are so careful to honor when preparing your videos?

@thedisciplestable5215

Жыл бұрын

@@GB0915Ecclesiastes 3:11 11" He has made everything beautiful in its time. Moreover, He has set eternity in their heart-yet without the possibility that humankind can ever discover the work that God has done from the beginning to the end." The Disciples Table is carefully following the spirit's counsel. This does not mean the work itself is now perfect, but only that these efforts lead us to His perfection. Ecclesiastes 8:5-6 5 Whoever obeys his command will not experience harm, and a wise person’s heart discerns the proper time and procedure. 6 For there is a proper time and procedure for every matter, though a person’s trouble is heavy upon him.

@wdburt91

Жыл бұрын

@@thedisciplestable5215 At 9:41, you begin describing the procession of the zodiac, and at 9:50, you explicitly state "when 'in fact,' it is the earth that is moving." This is more than likely what the original commenter is referring to when they mention that you hold to an incorrect model of the cosmos. As mentioned in my own [lengthy] comment to you, I pray you find out the truth of our cosmos and that the Father shows you just how amazing His flat, enclosed, geocentric Creation truly is. Father bless. =)

Scripture does not say the earth moves. It says the sun moves. I guess you don’t believe scripture on this matter.

@thedisciplestable5215

Жыл бұрын

We understand not all are united when discussing this topic, since both sides of the issue can make a case. We have done our best not to offend either position. We believe that all scripture is truth.

@GatheringJacob

Жыл бұрын

@@thedisciplestable5215 then you should believe the scriptures when Joshua told the sun to stand still that it did, no? That there is a circuit of the sun? These are simple questions, do you believe what it says or do you allegories it away based on what modern “science” tells you? What “case” can you make scripturally that the earth moves and not the sun?

@GatheringJacob

Жыл бұрын

@@thedisciplestable5215 I also did not clearly understand the point you were making in this video. The sun obviously regulates the year, what is your point regarding the moon and chodesh? I did not find the message clear.

@thedisciplestable5215

Жыл бұрын

@@GatheringJacob we regret that you did not understand the video. We continue to reveal information regarding Elohim's timepiece. Perhaps the most recent, "Rediscovering Elohim's Timepiece" would be something that will be of benefit. In short, the moon is for appointed times but not always for the Rosh Chodesh.

@mariodelarosa5722

9 ай бұрын

@@thedisciplestable5215 I also did not find the message clear. To begin with, you spoke going 100 miles an hour with music in the background that sometimes is annoying as one is trying to meditate on what your trying to say. And two, is it the sun or the moon that begins the months, and what verses or examples in the bible confirm that??? This video was lacking in proof.

Could you please enlighten me on how you got the days number for each sign? like Fishes 37 days?

@thedisciplestable5215

2 ай бұрын

In that year there were 37 days. We have since discovered that this isn't always the case. We use the prime meridian. Take a look at each chodesh posted at TheDisciplesTable.com to see what we observed last year up to present. We will be coming out with an updated and revised video after we complete the Yom 4 series. It was actually during our production of Yom 4 that we refined the means to observe His instructions to Moshe. We also have written several blogs on the website too since creating videos takes time.

@treeofeternallifearvoredav1227

2 ай бұрын

@@thedisciplestable5215 Thank you so much! I will take a look!🙏

My question is how do you start your year without the sign of the years end (equinox) first? The progression of the equinoxes is common knowledge and the only way we can SEE the completed circuit of the sun is with the straight line shadow.

@thedisciplestable5215

5 ай бұрын

The completed circuit does not start nor end with the equinox. But the equinox is always in the 1st chodesh of chodeshim. We are currently working on "Rediscovering Elohim's Timepiece -The Exodus" as part of the Yom 4 series. It will be helpful to see this when it is uploaded. Thank you for watching and asking good questions.

@relaxalittle7765

5 ай бұрын

I do not understand how you can say equinox does not start or end the year but then say it is always in the 1st chodesh. At the time of Adam it was in Taurus, at Exodus in Aries and since Mashiach Pisces and is heading for Aquarius in the near future. We cannot pick an arbitrary year and then jump a whole chodesh especially when we don't have Scriptural reference as to exactly when or where the divisions of the Mazzaroth are. The years are all equal and the only way to see it with the naked eye is to observe the turning (tequfah) of the year.

@thedisciplestable5215

5 ай бұрын

@@relaxalittle7765 it is a challenging subject. It has been a journey to understand this. One thing that helped was finding the eclipse. Then understanding what the straight and narrow path was and is. If we thought we could explain it easily we would have already written a blog about it on Thedisciplestable.com page. Be patient, it's coming. In the days of Moses and until the 4th millennium they did see what to look for in the stars in the evening before the 1st day. Today we have available to us a different tool. The equinox in the 1st year of the Exodus came AFTER the 1st day. If you use the equinox only as an indicator to start the year where in scripture does it tell you when the next chodesh begins? It is not "easy" to understand but once understood it opens up further revelations throughout scripture. Shalom.

Okay; so, when the NT uses the Greek word for month, Strong's G3376, is that the same as Codesh or is there another interpretation based on the lapse of time & customs between the OT & NT?

@thedisciplestable5215

Жыл бұрын

Great question! At the time of the writing of the New Testament "a chodesh" was understood as a month. A month by definition is a lunar cycle "moonths"😉. In the days of Yeshiva/Jesus they were respecting the moon as a time keeper. But Elohim's timepiece is measured by a chodesh (time period days the sun is in a specific constellation). We hope to address the difference s and similarities in the NT days when we get into the 4th millennium.

@Exactamundo

Жыл бұрын

@The Disciples Table if they were doing it wrong at the time, shouldn't Yeshuva corrected it? After all he was the son of Elohim.

@thedisciplestable5215

Жыл бұрын

@@Exactamundo A fair and good question. We certainly see that the topic was not included in the gospels and the letters. But its omission does not indicate that the way they observed the calendar was correct. Furthermore, we should be careful not to assign the absence of information to be a “lie of omission” which is an intentional failure to tell the truth in a situation requiring disclosure. Because in fact it may not have been “required “to be disclosed, and for reasons that perhaps might have been for our good. Afterall, His Will be done whether we know what time it is or not. Here we will make three points. First, what we do read in the scriptures is that Yeshua was sent for a purpose, and he tells us what that purpose is (Luke 4:43) But He said to them, “I must proclaim the Good News of the kingdom of God to the other towns also. It was for this purpose I was sent.” His purpose was not Elohim’s timepiece. Secondly, Yeshua was the Word made flesh, and the word is often referred to as water. John 4:14 “But whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never be thirsty. The water that I give him will become a fountain of water within him, springing up to eternal life!” In these latter days we have been receiving so much water we can’t bale it all out of the well fast enough. As we all know, water can run in all directions when it is poured out. Given the purpose of Yeshua’s first coming it is our opinion that not every stream could be addressed. He didn’t preach from the Atlantic, Pacific, or the Mediterranean Sea. He focused on the smaller geographic area of the Sea of Galilee, a freshwater lake. Third and last to our point is 2 Peter 3:8 “But don’t forget this one thing, loved ones, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like one day.” Observing Yeshua’s interaction with the people he often responded to a question posed to him. We don’t believe people were asking about the legitimacy of the calendar in those days, despite various ones being observed at the time. But today, people are asking, they are searching for real answers. So, while he did not teach us in that day, we are slowly awaking to today and in agreement with Job 28:11“He dams up streams from flowing. And brings hidden things to light.” Matthew 10:26 “So do not fear them, for there is nothing concealed that will not be revealed and nothing hidden that will not be made known. Isaiah 42:16 I (יהוה) will bring the blind by a way they do not know. in paths they have not known, I will guide them. I will turn darkness before them to light and the rough places smooth. These are the things I will do, and I will not forsake them.

The verse Jeremiah 10:2 about the signs in heaven is not referring to the moon. The context is the Christmas tree. As it continues to say in verse 3. So the signs in heaven are something to do with how the heathen mark the feast of saturnalia(Christmas) And what about the thirteenth sign of the constellation, Ophiuchus? Actually, I think it was discovered recently so you should have a updated version of this video.

@thedisciplestable5215

Жыл бұрын

Jeremiah 10:2 is really packed. You have directed us all to a great verse. "The signs in heaven is not referring to the moon" only, but to ALL the signs in the heavens. The Hebrew word חָתַת is being used in this verse. Meaning:to be shattered, be dismayed, be broken, be abolished, be afraid (Qal) to be shattered, be broken to be dismayed (Niphal) to be broken, be dismayed (Piel) to be shattered, be dismayed, be scared (Hiphil) to cause to be dismayed to dismay, terrify to shatter As you have correctly pointed out in verse 3 they established customs attached to their being afraid of the signs in the heavens. In this case it was their fear that the sun would not return (winter solstice) so that they brought a tree into their dwelling places. Doing so defies the original purpose of the tree. It is good that you point this out because we believe this is not the only instance that the nations did or will react to the signs in the heavens. Thank you for your contribution.

@thedisciplestable5215

Жыл бұрын

Regarding your statement," And what about the thirteenth sign of the constellation, Ophiuchus? We may in fact find the significance of this recent discovery. However, it was not included in the original 12. Presently we are focused with the signs in the heavens from the 1st-4th millenniums when Ophiuchus was not regarded. In order to keep these videos fairly short we think it best to create a new video if and when the revelation of this 13th sign becomes known. Presently it is creating havoc for those of us who want to concentrate on the 12.

@Exactamundo

Жыл бұрын

@The Disciples Table thanks to TMH.

@GB0915

Жыл бұрын

@@thedisciplestable5215 There are only 12 signs. The heavens are divided into twelve 30 degree "houses/gates" in which one constellation resides in each. 30 degrees times 12 = 360 degree of the circle of the heavens. You cannot have more than 360 degrees (or 12 gates) in a 360 circle.

@lisafoster2528

Жыл бұрын

@@GB0915 You are reinforcing the tradition of Babylon when you write "The heavens are divided into 12 30 degree houses/gates". The Babylonians believed that a year was only 360 days, which gave them the support to divide the heavens into 12 EQUAL sections. This is not in the character of Elohim.

Wonderful! Do you have a website with the study ?

@thedisciplestable5215

Жыл бұрын

Not yet. It has been requested. We realize this would be very helpful. As time allows we will persue this in the future. Thank you for giving the channel your time and letting us know of your interest. We are working on the next video, 'The Flood' now.

@TruthSeeker2996

Жыл бұрын

@@thedisciplestable5215 thank you ! Looking forward to it - will you go into when Shabbat is … since that seems to be a important topic and you kind of went into calendar study with the word Chodesh which I believe to be true too.

@thedisciplestable5215

Жыл бұрын

@@TruthSeeker2996 the Sabbath day will be highlighted in a light yellow background in each of the chodeshim when added to the website. We have decided to give each chodesh it's own page so that the font size is easier to read. This will also enable the website to go live sooner since we can roll out each chodesh individually as we check and confirm data. If we were to roll out the entire 365 days at once, we believe we would be a little late getting it uploaded in time for the 1st chodesh in 2023. We do have plans in the future for topics that can include the Sabbath day, and what is a day? But always we are guided by what the spirit prompts us to dwell on first.

You warned not to add to the Bible yet you say the Earth moves? Where in the Bible does it say that? My Bible says just the opposite it's immovable.

@thedisciplestable5215

Жыл бұрын

You are not alone in picking out a word or two that you find objectionable. We will endeavor to answer you honestly. We THINK we know what single verse you might be referring to. However, can you tell us what verse you are using to confirm your belief that the earth has never moved? Thank you.

@robertavaughan8236

Жыл бұрын

Stationary fixed, unless it is shaken by God.

@thedisciplestable5215

Жыл бұрын

@@robertavaughan8236 yes we understand the statement. We need the verse. Thank you so much.

Can you summarize the point of this video for Christians with a short attention span?

@thedisciplestable5215

3 жыл бұрын

I will try here Andrew. I'm sure you are familiar with the Lord's Prayer. Matthew 6:10 "Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven." The signs in the heavens are there to tell us when things happened, and are going to happen. In my Christian upbringing I was taught that no one knows when God will do something. But that is not true. Scripture is HIS testimony and will be used on Judgement day. He has not made anything hidden that will not be revealed. If one is looking to know where we are in the timeline, God's calendar gives us the answers. For those of us that are trying to follow His instructions faithfully we need His calendar to worship and carry out those duties on the days HE said to. Man cannot invent his own way and his own days of worshipping the Creator as proven when the mixed multitude worshipped the golden calf and ascribed it to YHVH. They did it their way, Not God's way. In summation, If one wants to follow the Will of God, one needs to know what day it is in order to honor Him to the fullest.

@andrewshewmake1789

3 жыл бұрын

@@thedisciplestable5215 Thank you for replying, and please don’t be discouraged by the dislikes; it seems that dense doctrine can sometimes be intimidating for those more used to milk. Having said that, how would you respond to someone using Romans 14:5-6 as a rebuttal to your claim? And how would you describe good practices for the Christian that wants to honor and incorporate your research into daily life?

@thedisciplestable5215

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewshewmake1789 In reference to Roman's 14:5-6. The Greek word used here is "hēmera". It means a 24 hour day. It is a common day, not a holy day. Common days can/will have believers living out their faith in a variety of ways. Here Shaul/Paul refers to them as "opinions". However, when observing the instructions for Holy Days, which in some cases span more than a 24 hour period, there should be very little if any "opinion" because scripture gives us so much detail as to how and when to observe these holy days. Since it has and will be the intention for the body to be one, Christians and Jews should both seek out in scripture when the moedim(appointed times) are and observe/participate. Thank you for your questions and comments. I am not discouraged. This is a challenging topic and one that has been argued about for perhaps 5000 years based on the variety of calendars. Change is difficult for most of us. This is no small matter. It affects our daily lives.

@andrewshewmake1789

3 жыл бұрын

@@thedisciplestable5215 Thank you for explaining. I disagree on the magnitude of the significance of holy days for gentiles but I do pray for your ministry in Jesus’ name.

@lisafoster2528

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewshewmake1789True the significance of the Holy days is not for the gentiles only for those that have "crossed over".

Lots of errors by starting the year in March. Even Flavious Josephus in Book 3, Ch 10 says ABIB is when the sun is in Aries - that’s April

@thedisciplestable5215

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. At the time of the Exodus, the year began when the sun was in Aries. It was in the month of March back then. That was in the age of Aries. We are in the Age of Pisces now. For us the year begins in Pisces, in March. It is my opinion that scripture more often refers to the chodesh as 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc... for this reason. Thank you for taking time to watch this.

@thedisciplestable5215

2 жыл бұрын

In addition, thank you for the references you sited from Flavious Josephus in Book 3, Ch 10. His works are so valuable in putting the pieces together. I do not argue his perspective. In fact, it gives validity to when Yeshua was crucified. Thank you.

@salvationsanctuary48

4 ай бұрын

I thought the sign of Aries arises around march 19-April 19 - which I think is a sign that our months start mid month of the Gregorian calendar 🤔

You were doing so good. Then you said," in fact the earth is moving". We actually have a ton of bible apps now days, its simple, just type in a bible search the Passages and read those scriptures: Immovable, Stable, shall not be moved. Never in Scripture will you find that the Earth moves. TAKE Joshua Chapter 10 for Example, He commands the Sun to Stand Still, wait what, were taught in school that the Earth rotates around the Sun. Hmmm... Beleive your Bible over what Man has Brought to you to learn and know. What did Jesus Say about Deception, weve all fallen victim to it, because thats what weve been taught, A Spiining Globe that Revolves Around the Sun, and moves through the Milky way Galaxy to a never ending end. Come on, you had me reeled, speaking truth, till you said this. WAKE UP❕

@willharmond6772

4 ай бұрын

Let me add this little bit. If you beleive the Word of God, in Genesis, the beginning, when he created, then rested on the 7th day. The Sun, Moon, and Stars were Created in the firmament on the 4th day. If the Earth he created before the 4th day, how can the Earth revolve around something that had not been created yet?

@thedisciplestable5215

4 ай бұрын

No man is good. We try our best. We are sorry that a few words were so distracting. Fortunately it's His Truth we can depend on. You are not alone in your criticism of this point. We will endeavor to do better. Shalom.

I'm curious: How is it that someone who is _so_ well studied in His Word (and _not_ man's "teachings") believes instead the _heliocentric model_ that was given to us _by man_ as opposed to believing the [flat, enclosed,] _geocentric model_ that was given to us by _the Father?_ There are only _two_ verses in Scripture that could be said to support heliocentricism; and yet, even then, those verses have to be twisted out of context in order to fit that model. Whereas there are over _two hundred_ verses in Scripture that unmistakably describe the flat, enclosed, geocentric model of the cosmos. It pains me to see you be so 'on the mark' with SO many aspects of His Word and yet simultaneously be of the belief that the cosmos is as _man_ describes it to be and _not_ how _the Father_ describes it to be. It is my sincere hope that you are simply honestly unaware of the truth of biblical cosmology. For when you would discover the truth of it to a sufficient degree, you will see that it is undoubtedly the truth of things and you will never again [be able to] take a serious gander at man's (which is to ultimately say: satan's) model of the cosmos: heliocentrism. I pray you take my comment here to heart. For I am not trying to rebuke, lambast, or embarrass you. I am only seeking to edify you; for you seem to be, for the most part, _very_ well in-tune with what His Word is saying over what man is saying. I hope this message reaches your heart and takes root there, for I speak nothing but the truth to you. I was once a "devout" atheist; _nothing_ could shake me from that mindset. I practically worshipped technology and "the fuuutuuuure." But in Feb '16, the Father sent me down a rabbit hole, the likes of which I _NEVER_ would have _ever_ taken seriously. And yet, half a year later, after _much_ researching, I found Scripture to be true (via discovering the truth of biblical cosmology) and thus I believed and was saved. Seven years later, I now know _so_ much more about our cosmos and how it works. And honestly, it's beautiful.. _truly_ beautiful... Again, please take my words to heart and look into biblical cosmology. I help run a community for it over on reddit and I would be more than happy to answer any questions you may have about it. reddit.com/r/BiblicalCosmology May the Father bless you and continue to grow you in your understanding of His Word in contrast to what _man_ (satan) would have us believe. -Will Maybe posting my answer in my original comment will work. The first of the two misinterpreted verses: Isaiah 40:22 biblehub.com/isaiah/40-22.htm The first half of this verse is misconstrued so as to fit the heliocentric narrative. “Oh, it says circle, so that means He is describing a ball/sphere.” Not so. The word used here is ‘circle’ and not ‘ball.’ And, knowing that people would debate this, He left us proof, in the same book no less, that He didn’t use the wrong word; for in Isaiah 22:18, He uses the word ‘ball’ in clear reference to the motions that would be expected from such a geometrical shape of a ball as opposed to a [flat] circle. As I’m sure you know, His Word is _perfectly_ deliberate, using the exact words He means to use. The second of the two misinterpreted verses: Job 26:7 biblehub.com/job/26-7.htm Many people use this verse as a proof that the earth is suspended in the void of space, though they are unconsciously basing their interpretation on a teaching that they don’t know is false; thus they inevitably arrive at the wrong interpretation. Here, the Father is telling us that the earth _isn’t_ hung from or suspended over anything. He is telling us that the earth isn’t suspended from above, but is rather supported from beneath (via the four pillars of the earth, spoken of in multiple places). Much like how a footstool isn’t hung from or suspended over anything, but is rather resting upon its foundations (the footstool’s legs), the earth likewise is resting upon its foundations (pillars) and is _not_ hung or suspend from above as in how a coat is hung by a coat hanger. As for the 200+ verses, here you go: www.worldslastchance.com/biblical-christian-beliefs/flat-earth-bible-verses-more-than-200.html Please read it in full, and without bias or preconception. Further: an excerpt from the above, as a response to another commenter informing you that Scripture says the earth is fixed and immovable: Earth is fixed and immovable: 1 Chronicles 16:30, Psalm 33:9, Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10, Psalm 104:5, Psalm 119:89-90, Isaiah 14:7, Isaiah 45:18, Zechariah 1:11, Luke 8:17, Hebrews 11:10, 2 Peter 3:5 [earth standing] They failed to provide the verses you rightly requested. I’m here to pick up their slack and show that they indeed knew what they were talking about even though they, for one reason or another, failed to provide you with the requisite verses. Please take all of this with an open mind and a sincere heart.

@thedisciplestable5215

Жыл бұрын

We welcome everyone to this table ,so as to share. Please share the 2 verses vs over 200 verses that you refer to.

@wdburt91

Жыл бұрын

@@thedisciplestable5215 For some reason, although I've tried time and again to reply to your comment, my response doesn't seem to be loading on the page after I post it. I can happily email it to you, for I believe that 'wickedness in high places' is working against the truth being posted for all to see. Actually: I’ll simply try to post it as a new comment thread, so that others can see it as well.

@thedisciplestable5215

Жыл бұрын

Try using the website here:www.thedisciplestable.com/contact-8

@wdburt91

Жыл бұрын

@@thedisciplestable5215 as it currently stands, it seems I was able to successfully post my answer here in this comment section after all, though I had to do so in the form of simply tacking it on to the bottom of my original comment. I did also email you already though, though I used the email attached to this KZread channel. I apologize that it was not a business inquiry.

@thedisciplestable5215

Жыл бұрын

And a special thank you for reading the other comments and answering the request when the other party did not. My spirit told me then that someone would pick up where the other left off. Please don't expect an immediate response to the indepth verse references. But be assured they all will be reviewed in the Hebrew text and hebraic mindset. Thank you for your efforts. May peace be with you.