All those commenting on Copenhagen are going to love next weeks video 🎉

@fredashay

Жыл бұрын

Really? You don't stick your car in your pocket when you travel so you have it at your destination?

@KingFinnch

Жыл бұрын

the elizabeth line connects heathrow to bond street, which is one of the most central stations in london.

@KingFinnch

Жыл бұрын

it also connects heathrow directly to the outer reaches of london, including other nearby cities (reading), and other city centres (eg canary wharf). it even uses the same platforms at heathrow as the express.

@ailo8964

Жыл бұрын

ℹ️Airport Express in Hong Kong is infrequent, you have to wait 10 mins for a train to get to the city from the airport and vice versa - it's biggest disadvantage. Reason being the Express shares tracks with a commuter railway called Tung Chung Line.

@mikkolukas

Жыл бұрын

If you plan to use openstreetmap in your video tell me, if there are anything you need more details on there. I have done some work on detail mapping the railways around there and the connections to the airport. But something important could still be missing, which I have not thought about myself. also: If you have any questions for details in Denmark, please ask :)

Amsterdam Schiphol Station is such an important rail interchange that many Dutch people travel to the airport just to get the train. As a Dutch person, I think 9 out of 10 times I travel to Schiphol, it's actually to take a train instead of a flight.

@lzh4950

4 ай бұрын

Meanwhile I bet many people in Singpaore travel to its Changi Airport not for a flight but to shop & dine @ the airport's Jewel shopping mall

Tip for travellers to Vienna: the City Airport Train is also a tourist trap! It's literally just a repainted regional train that is a lot more expensive than the commuter line and high speed services that also stop there regularly. A CAT ticket costs €20 (€30 for a return ticket), a ticket for the RailJet high speed service to Vienna Central is ~€5, both of these trains take basically the same time to get into town.

@enemixius

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, when a friend and I went to Vienna, we just bought a pass from ÖBB that included the train and free local travel within the city. Cheap and good :)

@justsomeguy5103

Жыл бұрын

Same thing in Oslo. Regular commuter trains are half the price of the Airport Express, with roughly the same journey time.

@lzh4950

4 ай бұрын

Meanwhile netizens in my country were complaining about tourists' luggage taking up a lot of space on the public buses to & from the airport: "If they can afford to buy an air ticket to fly to our country, surely they can afford to take a taxi instead. Don't be stingy!"

I would suggest London Crossrail is an 'airport express' as it goes directly through the city as well as stopping at several interchanges.

@cmdrquillon9398

Жыл бұрын

He does mention Crossrail (Elizabeth Line) once in the video, but rather surprisingly completely omits the fact it goes all the way to Heathrow despite the fact that it is exactly what he is looking for in this video.

@jonathanodude6660

Жыл бұрын

@@cmdrquillon9398 he mightve forgotten tbh lol

@madcrowmaxwell

Жыл бұрын

Indeed, a think that the Heathrow Express is priced like a luxury service because it is one. The Piccadilly Line and the now the Elizabeth Line provide non-luxury access. I don't know about Hong Kong, but maybe there are some less expensive rail options there as well.

@TroyVan6654

Жыл бұрын

@@madcrowmaxwell For Hong Kong, you can take a local bus to hop to the next island over and catch the local train there. Not sure about the luggage space on the bus, though.

@TroyVan6654

Жыл бұрын

Too many intermediate stops before Paddington to qualify as "express", perhaps.

As an ex-worker at HKG, the Airport Express is a relief for late shift workers living far from the airport By the way, HKG Airport Express is competing with local buses going to almost every major/minor location with a far cheaper fare. Changing between trains is a problem here, and local passengers tend to take the airport buses which stops near home

@ArchOfWinter

Жыл бұрын

Did you get discount or free Airport Express ride when you worked there?

@type45tomcat21

Жыл бұрын

@@ArchOfWinter I was an ex-HK aiport worker too in last 10 years. Airport Express did offer more than 50% off for registered staff on their ride with free MTR conection included. However local airport express buses also offer simliar discounts and more choices. Another big problem is many airport workers did not live at places with easy transfer to Airport Express, which means airport express buses have a great advantage at the very beginning. I already lived relatively closer to an Airport Express train station and only a single 20 minutes MTR ride to that, however when airport express buses cost me only 10-20 minutes more on travaling time, no transfer required and came with 50% cheaper price (both staff discounted or normal price), actually I presonally prefer to take buses as I can at lease have a nap onboard the bus after a long duty.

@ArchOfWinter

Жыл бұрын

@@type45tomcat21 The nap express!

@type45tomcat21

Жыл бұрын

@@ArchOfWinter it's day and night different to have a nap onboard, especially after a long busy shift or an overnight shift😌

@wangxrtom

Жыл бұрын

@@type45tomcat21 Exactly! Also ex-HKG worker here and I much prefer taking the cityflyer bus than taking the MTR, another reason why I avoid taking the MTR is that I have to go through Hong Kong/Central/Admiralty stations during peak hours. Especially after all the new lines opened at Admiralty, the crowd is way too much for me.

In Frankfurt, a ticket to the airport is more expensive than one for the rest of the city if you buy a single ticket so tourists pay a bit extra, whereas the airport area is included in regular monthly and yearly passes so people working at the airport don't pay extra

@acuteaura

Жыл бұрын

They have a big design flaw though - the line that serves the airport also serves the Stadium. So if you timing is bad, expect the train to fill up with drunks.

@RMTransit

Жыл бұрын

Yep, that’s a pretty good policy!

@paul0303

Жыл бұрын

It is also insanely well connected to the ICE network. Direct trains to Cologne and Munich every half hour or so and via one connection through the main station you can reach almost all of Germany within 3-4 hours

@Black_Forest_Julez

Жыл бұрын

What I don't like in Frankfurt is that the newly built terminal 3 doesn't get a train connection to the S-Bahn, although it wouldn't be that big thing to build a S-bahn tunnel to the S7. So instead of going directly into the S-Bahn, passengers must take the Aiport-monorail system and take The S-Bahn at the regular Airport Station.

@antrazitaj5209

Жыл бұрын

For Cologne Airport is a just regular ticket

One thing I love about the transit connection in Frankfurt is that you can actually buy your train ticket from many places in the country as part as your flight. That is super useful because Frankfurt is a major airport hub and it reduces the need for short haul connecting flight within the country when you can instead just hop on the ICE and go to other parts of the country.

@user-jk2zm7uq5s

Жыл бұрын

Rail&Fly's (or LH-AirRail) biggest plus is that you neither need to pay top Euro for a flexible ticket nor worry about missing your Sparpreis-train (cheaper ticket but it's "take your booked train or walk") nor waiting for three hours (and missing three possible trains) just because you did book a Sparpreis-train but a few hours in the future of your expected arrival time.

@derloos

11 ай бұрын

FRA has many issues but connectivity isn't one of them. I think a direct link to the national railway service + open access Rail&Fly through-booking is what any large airport should have. This would be a great way to knock down the number of short-haul flights and smaller airports.

The line through Schiphol airport was built not just to access the airport, but bc it offered a shortcut to many regional and domestic connections. That is why it became such a transit hub.

I recently took the Hong Kong Airport Express last month, and yes, I can confirm that it takes exactly 24 minutes (maybe a few seconds off) from the city to the airport, as advertised. Before the pandemic, passengers could also drop off their bags in the city (where it will travel on the baggage car and put on the plane) but it's currently not available.

@jcngokai-76

Жыл бұрын

sadly, the rate that’s been going on in both Hong Kong and China nowadays, any chance of reopening is getting more and more remote and unlikely, especially with that giant know-nothing who claimed himself as an emperor in Beijing.

@speedbirdconcorde001

Жыл бұрын

@@jcngokai-76 Well it's 0+3 now

@rebucato3142

Жыл бұрын

@@jcngokai-76 I think it’s only a matter of time before both Hong Kong and China reopen. Hong Kong is getting pretty close to fully reopening to foreign countries anyway. China is taking much longer than other places, but China still needs to do business with other countries and there will always be pressure for reopening borders until it actually happens

@jcngokai-76

Жыл бұрын

@@rebucato3142 unfortunately, Xi Jinping has single-handedly shuttered the idea into the nearest incinerator as he is so committed to the “Zero COVID” policy, not even Hong Kong can EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVER be opened up again.

Or you just do it like Frankfurt in Germany or Zürich in Switzerland. You just put a normal train station (in Frankfurt even two: regional and long distance) without extra fees well included in the normal tariff system of transit.

@MarcLucksch

Жыл бұрын

I was so happy to use the 9€ ticket to cover all my travel to and from Berlin airport when I went to Scotland in the summer.. Edinburgh Airport was way worse though…

@powgames

Жыл бұрын

In a few years, Frankfurt airport will even get third station ^^

@jakubk-ski9599

Жыл бұрын

exactly, for polish people stockholm arlanda express is like 4 hours of work why is it so expensive

@aycc-nbh7289

Жыл бұрын

So like with Jamaica Station or Newark Liberty International Airport Station in the NYC metro area?

@powgames

Жыл бұрын

@@aycc-nbh7289 If you can just take a regular train from somewhere like penn station and exit directly at the airport terminal, then yes, its similar

Where I live, our local airport lost one of their only daily flights, and we are an hour away from a large hub airport. Our regional planning organization actually did do a study on connecting our city with the regional hub airport with a rail link. My opinion is the rail link is something that should be investigated further as opposed to trying to market the local airport to new airlines.

@PascalGienger

Жыл бұрын

That sounds like Kassel's Calden Airport in Germany. An airport without any practical use anymore...

@91djdj

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Countries should generally focus on less airports and try make the experience there perfect and connect the region around it well with rail or bus.

@RMTransit

Жыл бұрын

Yep, that would be a good way to reduce local environmental impact of the airport too

@xfel5913

Жыл бұрын

@@PascalGienger except for the fact that Kassel already has a frequent rail link to the next big airport in Frankfurt - in fact that one existed before they even built the airport. It still takes over an hour in a high-speed train though.

@heinzketchup3323

Жыл бұрын

Santa Fe?

Airports are cool. Airports with a Metro Station are even cooler. Airports with a Metro and a High Speed Rail Connection... ChadPorts

A variation of the Amsterdam/Zürich solution with a heavy railline running through under the airport is what geneva has. The railline that used to end downtown got extended to the airport, so most long distance trains that end in geneva don‘t end at the main station but at geneva airport.

@curtismelnick8356

Жыл бұрын

It's nice to see the sign in the Geneva airport that says "All trains stop in Geneva main station".

@severinejuillet8413

Жыл бұрын

In GVA the user of the main line train is free : you can print a unireso ticket at the luggage delivery

@curtismelnick8356

Жыл бұрын

@@severinejuillet8413 It used to be. I was just there a few weeks ago and it is no longer free, however it is just a standard fare now on the TPG (via SBB), so paying 3CHF to get from the airport to downtown is still a darned good deal.

@trainenthusiast7695

Жыл бұрын

Some railjet services in vienna do a similar thing where they terminate in airport instead of hbf.

the only thing I can say as a hong konger is that the airport express is absolutely magnificent. Shame the price is quite expensive for just a half an hour trip to the airport, though I heard somewhere that if you change from the AEL to another line to continue your journey, the trip is free of charge. Edit: morning express service epic

@natheniel

Жыл бұрын

well it’s targeted to expats and other people working right at central

@zurielsss

Жыл бұрын

To save money, just go to Tung Chung station on to Lantau line and change to a bus that heads straight to the airport, they use the same railtracks and the extra bus ride is just a few dollars and 10 mins anyway

@gerryakbar

4 ай бұрын

@@zurielsss or, alight/interchange at Tsing Yi station. The price difference is around HK$40 compared to Kowloon or HK

We also have a TGV station at Paris' Charles de Gaulle airport. Quite convenient, though underused.

@unlapras9365

Жыл бұрын

It's getting upgraded as a terminus for regional trains as a part of the Roissy-Picardie project though !

I liked Copenhagen Airport as the train station is part of the design with signs for the city centre on one platform and Sweden on the other. It is near the Öresund connection between Copenhagen and Malmö.

@darraghmckenna9127

Жыл бұрын

It’s so handy if you live in Sweden. Also Copenhagen airport has a metro & train to the city centre

@RMTransit

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it’s quite well done!

@drdewott9154

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. It's just a shame that the expansion to the station thatll be begin construction in the coming years will be nowhere near as good. On the opposite side of a parking garage which people have to walk through, all next to the highway, and with a minimal amount of shelters and weather protection. And the idea is then that all trains bound for Copenhagen and the rest of Denmark would use these new platforms, while the trains to Sweden and arriving trains would use the current 2 tracks that are integrated with the terminal.

@darraghmckenna9127

Жыл бұрын

@@drdewott9154 wait what ? I thought the new Copenhagen bound station was going to be covered. Who signed off on that mess

@drdewott9154

Жыл бұрын

@@darraghmckenna9127 Danish politicians, Banedanmark, and Sund & Belt, as well s CPh Airport.

From my experience, Frankfurt has the best airport connection. It's directly linked to Germany's high speed railway system and you can even check-in your luggage at the station before entering the terminal.

The Shenzhen metro line to the airport is quite interesting as it operates as a normal well connected metro line (although higher speed than most other lines) but there are also higher fare "business class" cars with more comfortable seating and luggage storage space. Shenzhen airport also has a station on the intercity railway to Guangzhou.

@RMTransit

Жыл бұрын

Yep a lot of the Chinese systems have pretty good connections probably influenced by Hong Kong

@mdhazeldine

Жыл бұрын

@@RMTransit Surprised you didn't mention the Maglev!

@enemixius

Жыл бұрын

In Chongqing as well, CRT line 3 goes to the airport.

@lzh4950

Жыл бұрын

Shenzhen's airport also has an airside ferry service to HK & Macau's airports too I think, letting you do airside transfers between flights @ these different airports

I love Taipei's Airport MRT with both express and local services relatively frequently, in-town check-in, and links to both MRT and to HSR for travel to southern Taiwan - you can make it from Taoyuan airport to Kaohsiung over 200 miles away in an hour and a half. The airport MRT also provides a vital link to communities in Taoyuan like Linkou which has seen transit oriented development flourish both for people choosing to move there or to visit.

I'm always surprised by how well Manchester Airport is connected to both the city centre and the rest of the county. It has 5/6 tph to the centre for about $5, and direct services to Liverpool, Sheffield, Leeds, York, Newcastle, Edinburgh and Glasgow. A new line will eventually connect it directly to Birmingham and London. I live about 100 miles away but, because there's a direct hourly train, it's my local airport.

@raymondflanagan9355

Жыл бұрын

The HS2 link will have a station a bit away from the airport where it should tunnel under the existing station making a much better connection.

@grahammartin6396

Жыл бұрын

What's ridiculous is how, as a York person, Leeds Bradford Airport is half the distance and vastly worse to get to. Classic case of an airport built for car-using outbound holiday makers. You have to swap to a bus at Leeds Station, but little more than an hour later you reach Manchester Airport, often on the same train. For a country the size of the UK, we really should prioritise a few hub airports and great regional transit to get people to and from them, included in flight tickets.

@TheJoshuacheng

Жыл бұрын

Shame it doesn’t have overnight trains/trams/buses to nearby cities yet. When you arrive on a delayed flight past midnight your only options are to 1) get a cab costing at least £30 or 2) sleep at the airport

@lzh4950

4 ай бұрын

@@TheJoshuacheng Meanwhile Singapore doesn't have late night trains & it has withdrawn all late night public buses (supposedly as the gov't wanted to help taxi drivers boost their revenue especially coming out of the pandemic), but I think Changi Airport does have a paid shuttle bus to downtown either hourly or twice hourly during late nights

12:00 We also have that in Oslo. Pretty much all regional trains and interregional trains going North pass by the airport. You could hop on a train to pretty much anywhere in the Oslo area from there as well as the regional trains to Trondheim and beyond. Hell even the night trains to and from Trondheim stop there which has been super useful for me in the past.

Funny fact, that you have to pay extra for a airport express in some countries. Here in Germany, the airports are always connected via the normal train and bus networks, so you just pay the normal price. For example in Stuttgart, you can reach the airport via S-Bahn, local Bus or with the recently connection to the Stadtbahn/U-Bahn network. So it's a 30 minute ride from the city centre, which costs only 3.40 Euro.

Just to chip in here in case if its not added yet: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia also has an airport express train, KLIA Express, that operates during pre-pandemic with a end-to-end journey from KL Sentral (where most train lines are) to the airport in less than 30 minutes. The service is complemented with an all-stop commuter service that stops between a regional bus interchange station, Putrajaya, an administrative capital, and a long-term car-park. Granted, the stops are not ideal, but the speed of the commute negates the experience. Like HK's airport express, you could have your luggage checked in before boarding the trains but thats no longer the case, and there is only the all-stop commuter service operating only.

I like the approach with the baggage check-in downtown. As for the connection itself my personal favorite would be Oslo, with a high speed train going every 10 minutes; And some of the worst is Munich, with 2 commuter rail lines going into the city: each one with a 20 minute schedule, so every 10 minutes it's either the one or the other line; Both take almost an hour to get downtown; They have numerous stops in between and they're just the plain normal commuter trains which are all over the city and the counties

@rowaystarco

Жыл бұрын

The amazing thing with Oslo is the fact that you also have two options, both fairly good. The more premium Flytoget/airport express and also the regular Vy lines going past the station. Both are quick from Oslo, but of course paying a premium for the nicer Flytoget trains and the higher frequency.

@EnjoyFirefighting

Жыл бұрын

@@rowaystarco I was happy to pay the higher ticket price and thatfor get a super comfortable quick ride heading downtown. So much better than the commuter train in Munich. Although not quite as far outside the city like Oslo airport, Munich airport is far outside the city as well. It takes almost an hour by commuter train to get to the Central Station - in my opinion, for being a large busy airport in the 2nd largest city in Germany, that's just bad. We can hope for better connection in the future, once the rail line is extended beyond the airport. For now it's only another commuter rail line in construction, but maybe another connection track will be built to the existing main line

@rowaystarco

Жыл бұрын

@@EnjoyFirefighting It's only a shame that they still don't have the brand new airport express trains running. Built by CAF, but they discovered cracks and they are still not operating.

SYD airport has an airport link which is very close to the city but is really annoying because it costs $16.40 and comes every 7.5 mins, which connects to the rest of Sydney easily, which runs to the suburbs and goes out to Leppington and Macarthur, also connecting at Central for all other services. Then again, SYD airport closes at 11, and the last train is at 11:57 pm and the first trains gets in two hours before the airport opens, it takes just 12 mins to get to the city. Was also built as an extension of a previous line as part of the Clearways project. So no massive building costs

I think consideration should be given to Philadelphia’s SEPTA regional rail transit. It stops at each terminal and you can get from Center City Philly to the airport in about 30min. One of its weaknesses is that it does not run on a 24 hour basis and in fact stops trains at midnight

Schiphol is indeed pretty well connected to the national railway system with a few international trains stopping there as well. Every hour you have 8 trains to Amsterdam Central station, 6 to Rotterdam Central, 6 to The Hague Central & 4 to Utrecht Central station, 2 international trains to Brussels or Paris and 16 more trains in other directions. After regular service (2-5AM) there's a train per hour to Amsterdam, Rotterdam & Utrecht. So any travelers coming here don't have to worry about the train connection to their destination.

@firelight193

Жыл бұрын

Schiphol trainstation is a good connected intercity station. The station is also part of the night trains

@davidlally592

Жыл бұрын

Ah yes remember the Netherlands is the most densly populated place in Europe (leaving out the micro states eg Monaco etc) so a well integrated transport system (like there) is essential. Also they have the Chip Card which can be used on any transport mode within the n/lands (NS train, tram, Metro, bus) - but remember to zap in and out each time.

At Schiphol Airport there is a trainstation directly below the terminal. This is integrated in the normal rail network so you do not only have a direct rail connection with Amsterdam, but also to many other Dutch cities.

@johanlugthart7782

Жыл бұрын

I is years ago that I took a plane, but switch trains regularly at Schiphol. It is just a big station.

@efaber3565

Жыл бұрын

My first trip back to the Netherlands since 1966 was in 1982. I was so surprised there has been a train station right at the their airport for sometime. Here in Toronto, the UP Express final came into service in 2015. 33 years later! Over here gas powered vehicle transportation takes precedence until there became environmental concerns.

@yuriydee

Жыл бұрын

Having just found that out, I feel like such an idiot for taking an Uber from there (and back) few years ago when I couldve just taken train to center of city when visiting Amsterdam.

@grahammartin6396

Жыл бұрын

There was the opportunity to do this at Edinburgh Airport, Scotland, but the politicians blew it. The passing rail line reaches all 6 other Scottish Cities.

London's Elizabeth line is probably the best of them all, connecting Heathrow airport with the West End, City of London, and Canary Wharf -- all business districts. In the future, it will also connect to Old Oak Common, which will provide an interchange with the high-speed rail line to the North.

@nicolasblume1046

Жыл бұрын

But just 2 tph at terminal 4 and 5 is a very low frequency.

@jan-lukas

Жыл бұрын

@@nicolasblume1046 you can easily up that when demand requires it

@aselwyn1

Жыл бұрын

@@nicolasblume1046 aren't there free hex trains for each t4 and t5 that take you to Heathrow central where you can connect to the Elizabeth line a few min later?

@heidirabenau511

Жыл бұрын

@@aselwyn1 Yes, there is a free travel zone which involves Heathrow T2&3,Heathrow T4 and Heathrow T5 as well as nearby Hatton Cross, which mean you can travel for free between these stations on the Piccadilly Line, the Elizabeth Line and the Heathrow Express but NOT the bus, the bus will cost £1.55 if you go anywhere in London.

@railotaku

Жыл бұрын

@@nicolasblume1046 4 per hour to T4 and 2 per hour to T5 in the next phase in May 2023 (if HEx goes I suspect most of the Paddington terminators will go though to the airport)

I love how Airport Express of Hong Kong is so close to arrival area, like you pass right in front of it to reach the bus stop or taxi place. It’s nearer than you can think.

It is interesting that one of your praise for the HK airport express is that it share tracks with Tung Chung line. This is actually partially the result of a budget cut for the airport construction, pretty sure that in the original plan, only the cross-harbor part had shared track. I have heard Tung Chung residents complaints about how this limits Tung Chung line's frequency.

Helsinki airport has good transit connection. It's not airport express, just a normal commuter train that goes via airport but still takes only about 30 minutes to city center with stops in 2 major CBDs (with connection to other commuter and intercity train lines & bus routes) and several stops at residential neighbourhoods as well. Trains going every 10 minutes or so day time. And ticket price is just $3.

Funny you talk about the Stockholm Arlanda Express. There is actually another way of getting to Arlanda from Stockholm. Just take the pendeltåg. It is cheaper, stops more frequently and is very reliable. I take this train multiple times a week, not even to get to the Airport, but just as a way to visit friends and such. That's why i think that the Arlanda Airport public transport is really great and convenient.

@Fan652w

Жыл бұрын

But if you get off the P-Tag at Arlanda I think you still have to pay a supplementary fare.

@gwendolym

Жыл бұрын

@@Fan652w yes indeed, but it is still cheaper than the arlanda express

It's not exclusively an Airport Express but direct airport access is a great feature of MARTA in Atlanta. And it's way more consistent than trying to navigate through Atlanta traffic. The new trains arriving in 2023-2025 will have a lot more of the mentioned features. But I think they have a lot to improve on especially in the stations. It's easy to walk out of ATL and never realize that there is a train station past baggage claim that will take you downtown for $2.50

Chicago's CTA connects Ohair and midway with frequent service. The blue line connects to our pedway so you can connect to the Metra electric and South shore

Sitting in the lounge at Newark (having taken the people mover from the commuter rail train that I caught out from NYC after the subway) waiting for my flight to Toronto (where I'll be taking the UP Express to Union Station), watching this video really hit home.

@RMTransit

Жыл бұрын

I Hope you have a good trip!

@gordnyc

Жыл бұрын

@@RMTransit Thanks! I've been away from Toronto for way too long!

I was going to write:"You forgot talking about Schiphol" and...you talked about Schiphol haha Great content as always! Airports can also become a good reason to develop an entire local rail network: just the idea of moving all the airport employees from and to around the city is a great incentive to improve the entire system.

I recently travelled to Oslo with my family and we found the Flytorget bus service suited our need. Any train service went directly into the city centre and required us to travel out to Helsfyr for our hotel. The bus had a dedicated stop at Helsfyr which was a short walk from our hotel. This was also good for our return trip. I think the Scandinavians have a good grasp of transportation in a city environment.

Great video on airport train systems. Have been on the Hong Kong Airport system back in 2000 and it was awesome. My cousin and I were able to see city of Hong Kong before we had to get to airport to come back to Canada! Glad I didn't have to carry my bags while downtown and that my bags went to the airport!

I think Thameslink is a great example of what you're looking for here. Connecting two airports to everywhere from Cambridge to Brighton, as well as multiple tube and rail hubs.

@Fan652w

Жыл бұрын

I strongly agree.

In Milan there is a pretty decent connection from Malpensa to the busiest stations (centrale, Garibaldi, Cadorna). Furthermore the new m4 line will directly connect the closer Linate airport with the city center and the whole metro system with automated trains and more than optimal frequency

London was the first city in the world to have subway connection to an airport in the 1970s it was so useful.

@bkark0935

Жыл бұрын

No offense, but you are totally wrong. London was NOT the First City in the world to have a Subway connection to its Airport. That was Cleveland’s Red Line to Hobson International Airport.

Fun tip for Heathrow express: you can get a ticket for £7 (£5 with a railcard) if you book it over 3 months in advance. And it's valid for a full day so no need to worry about when the plane gets in. I do this all the time since you usually book flights months in advance anyway

@aselwyn1

Жыл бұрын

but unless you can do that it almost never makes sense to take the HEX over the Elizabeth line and is just a waste of money this is how i feel with almost all airport trains.

@Fan652w

Жыл бұрын

@@aselwyn1 I strongly agree. Now that the 'Liz Line goes to Heathrow, there is a strong case for scrapping HEX.

@fetchstixRHD

Жыл бұрын

@@aselwyn1: Yeah, maybe before the the through XR trains started running it would have made sense to get one of those tickets (and even then, only slightly so!) but at least for me, I'd probably be using the Elizabeth Line anyway, and at that point I might as well just wait that little bit longer and get a direct train (either direction - especially if there's luggage, would there even be any time saved?) Similar points with Gatwick Expreess - the time saved is very small to none (and depending on where you're going, can actually be negative compared to Thameslink!)

I actually quite like how it is done in Zurich airport. The airport has a railway station, which is connected with a lot of other Swiss cities, as the Intercities all stop there. You can easily land in Zurich and get to Bern in around 1 1/2 hours. And also one other good thing: Swiss cantons have a zone system in public transportation. Because of that, it doesn't matter what ticket you buy; it costs the same to take an S-Bahn or an Intercity.

@Protoman888

Жыл бұрын

I've done that... landed in Zurich and took the train to Italy

@fonfosforka

Жыл бұрын

@@Protoman888 Which train go from Zur. airport directly to Italy?

@Protoman888

Жыл бұрын

@@fonfosforka you have to go to Zurich Hb and there is a direct train from there to Milano C.

@fonfosforka

Жыл бұрын

ok....I badly understand, that you mean from Z airport....My mistake ;-)

On the Airport Express in Oslo you can check in your luggage on the train, it has one stop from central station to Oslo Airport (Lillestrøm, a hub for transport) and while it could have more, there really aren’t that many transport hubs of real size in that area, also, it stops by many interchange points on west side, after Oslo Central station FROM the airport) as it continues to Drammen (the neighbouring major city)like mentioned. As a Norwegian, it’s literally our proudest transport project ever, (and sadly only major completed since 1999 :(

@drdewott9154

Жыл бұрын

Well hey at least you can boast about having the fastest train service in Scandinavia with it.

Also with the Toronto UP Express: several times friends of mine from Ottawa had reasons to be in hotels around Pearson (weddings or particular events), so we booked them VIA Rail trains to Union and transferred them to the UP Express, then got them on (free!) airport hotel shuttles to their hotels. It was the best decision ever.

Tyne and Wear Metro's airport extension in the 1990s has been really successful. Only 20ish mins to Newcastle city centre still stopping everywhere and you can stay on the same train for Central Station and the cities of Gateshead and Sunderland across the river.

I'd say SEPTA definitely has my favorite airport rail link in North America. It's the only frequent electric regional rail line that goes straight to all the terminals in America. sucks that it isn't 24/7.

@mic1240

Жыл бұрын

Both of Chicago’s airports have L trains which go directly into the terminals, including ORD 24 hours/7 days week, and has luggage area for those coming/going to airports. Is good connected into rest of system for workers who come from all over. Chicagoland’s Metra (commuter rail) also goes to O’hare, but less frequently and not as convenient.

@bugno9969

Жыл бұрын

@@mic1240 well yeah, many US cities have metros to the airports. Atlanta, DC (now to two airports), Cleveland, SF and Oakland, Boston, Chicago as you mentioned, and Miami. I was talking about full-sized trains akin to Toronto. In the US that's really just Philly, Denver, Baltimore, and Miami. and of those, Philly is by far the best.

@mic1240

Жыл бұрын

@@bugno9969 (the Metra is heavy rail/locomotives). Direct inside airport access to rapid transit what’s key, few US cities have 24/7 options for people coming/going, ideally should be more.

In Indonesia this trend is catching on thankfully. It started with Medan cuz their new airport was built outside of city limits so a train was necessary. Then Palembang built an LRT system from the airport to the Asian Games venue in 2018. Jakarta followed it up with its own train link from the airport to the city center. Now you have midsize cities like Yogyakarta and small cities like Padang with direct transit from airport to the city. And there's more to come for sure!

@DangItshere

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention all the above airport railways are directly connected to the regional commuter railway even oftenly shares platform with them

I live in Ontario and sometimes have a weekend in Toronto. Once over the summer I stayed at an airport hotel instead of staying downtown because the airport hotels are so much cheaper and with the UP Express it was convenient to get downtown. Just an example of how it is still a beneficial service even though I wasn’t using the airport itself.

Finally covering my favourite network

I think Geneva does airport services incredibly well - the airport is basically the terminus for lots of mainline trains to central through station in the city center so you have trains to the city centre every 5 mins or so but also trains to all across Switzerland (and into France) from the airport

@darraghmckenna9127

Жыл бұрын

Not to forget the free city train pass you can get at baggage claim.

@enthusiastisch1922

Жыл бұрын

@@darraghmckenna9127 I was about to say XD

@fonfosforka

Жыл бұрын

I correct you: G-airport have 5 trains every hour on direction to Cornavin rail station(G main stat.), which continued to rest of Switzerland(it´s only Fernverkehr trains) + frequent trolleybus line + few others city/suburban bus lines.

@Protoman888

Жыл бұрын

It's a great airport in terms of planning and also a very cool terminal

At Vienna, we have the CAT-Train (City Airport Train) You can also do the check-in and give up your luggage at the train station. It will be loaded and unloaded by the train stuff. So you don't have to walk long distances with your luggage on the airport

@eilidhmm

Жыл бұрын

but only if you're travelling with Lufthansa group airlines in the main (Lufthansa, Austrian, Eurowings, Brussels Airlines)

@bobdimitrakakis8183

Жыл бұрын

What I really liked about Vienna was that the airport station wasnt relly special, it was just another stop, so you had a lot of (ucually cheaper) suburban train alternatives along with the CAT. Not much of a time difference and it stopped to more stations, so its useful if you live in another district and not the center.

@jeeeyjey

Жыл бұрын

yeah but everyone who actually lives in Vienna knows that the CAT is a tourist trap and only makes sense when your employer is paying for the trip - the S7 is just a few minutes slower and costs a fraction of the price

@ReneLangerWien

Жыл бұрын

@@jeeeyjey but the real joker, if start/stop in the southern parts of Vienna, are the Railjets. It can't get more comfortable and it costs the same as with the S7. You get from the airport to the main station without a single stop and if your going to Graz, well you don't need to leave the train.

@GhostlyDilemma

Жыл бұрын

Yeah while watching the video i did feel like Vienna does have a ton of the "problems" figured out. While I wouldn't personally ever use the CAT it is an express train, such is the Railjet line. Additional bonus is that two major hubs are connected that way. Wien Mitte with a ton of local S-Bahn and U-Bahn and Hauptbahnhof with much the same and long distancr trains. Vienna also got reasonably lucky in having the S7 close by the airport when they built it. Only major gripe I have is when the trains are running. I had to be at the airport for the first flight of the day in January of 2022 and I had to sleep at the airport because the train wouldn't have made it in time... Might have been due to Covid things just starting back up again but staying at an airport without the possibility of getting any food (except for a lonely vending machine at the train station) got really lame really fast.

I feel like Septa in Philly has a good system. there is a regional rail train that hits each terminal every half an hour. it takes you right into the heart of philly where you can transfer to any other line which can take you throughout the city or even into some far suburbs if needed.

Baltimore is to my knowledge the only place in the US with an airport that has two different rail links to the downtown. There's the light rail, which goes straight to the center of the city but makes a lot of local stops and is pretty slow, and then Amtrak and MARC heavy rail, which although the station is quite inconvenient to the airport (and requires a frustrating shuttle bus) provides fast, comfortable and fairly frequent limited-stop service to the city. However, the Amtrak station is famously a bit out of the way of the center of the city (but still in a very nice dense urban area).

There's two things in Boston that can be solved with one project, The Big Dig Part II: North-South Rail Link and Logan Express. We already have intermodal hubs for park and ride: Anderson RTC and University Park (Rte. 128). Throw in the Framingham Adesa yard as a site for a western intermodal hub. Introduce high capacity trains running from intermodal hubs, through one terminus, and terminating at the other. Some of these services could be diverted into another set of tunnels under Boston harbor to the airport. Now we have great connectivity everywhere, hopefully.

Arlanda in Stockholm, is not only connected by the Arlanda express, the Pendeltåget (reginalrail) also stop there and connect both Stockholm and Uppsala, also Mainline trains stop at the Airport including the nighttrain to North of sweden.

@RMTransit

Жыл бұрын

I know! I still think the Arlanda express could serve one or two more stops

@limolitz

Жыл бұрын

Funnily enough, Arlanda Express focuses their marketing 100% on that 18 minute mark, since it's stupidly expensive and can't compete on anything else.

@NoOne-ku4bo

Жыл бұрын

There have actually been ideas to put a regional station at Solna which is becoming a main hub in Stockholm. That doesn't necessarily exclude getting a stop for Arlanda express there as well.

@davidlally592

Жыл бұрын

But the Arlanda Express is expensive. Many incl moi get the local bus - below the airport- to Marsta and then local SJ train to Stockholm. Cheaper.

When I had a flight to London from Geneva at 5am to go to Tokyo, my family and I had to get the car because trains weren’t available that early. In Tokyo I had a fast AF monorail that brought me to Hamamatsucho without intermediate stops.

AREX in Seoul is a great example. Very well connected and has trains that make more stops & some that make limited stops.

In Sydney, the international terminals get 9 trains an hour towards Macarthur and Revesby and 8 an hour to Central. Macarthur connects up to the Southern Highlands Line and Wolli Creek (stop before international) connects to the Illawarra and South Coast Lines to Wollongong and Kiama

@abiramen

Жыл бұрын

The only part that sucks is the airport Station Access Fee, which really starts to hit (and make Uber a more compelling option) the moment you've got a larger group. Of course, the easier solution for a local is to catch a bus (the 420) to Mascot (next station over without the aforementioned) and then continue on - but for most travellers, this is just an extra headache.

@JayJayGamerOfficial

Жыл бұрын

​@@abiramen imagine working at the airport! I got a friend that commutes from Edmondson Park to the airport for work almost every day, i.agine how much It would cost if the 420 bus wasn't an option!

Great video! Can't wait for the REM to join this group!

Copenhagen also have great connectivity to its airport with the metro and intercity trains leaving from there

From my personal experience, the airport of Zurich in Switzerland has one of the best connections in Europe. You got the mainline railway with InterCity and local aka S-Bahn-Services as well as tram and busses with very good transfers. I do agree with the thing issues such as the Heathrow Express. Transfers from or to airports should be available to everyone and not a luxury thing.

About the statement that Oslo not have a main line link. I would say that it does. It has 3 lines (Lillehammer - Drammen) (Eidsvoll - Skien) (Eidsvoll - Kongsberg) running an hourly service, with the strange pattern of 10 min - 30 min - 20 min intervals. All of these services stops at all of the stations that the airport express stops at (except Stabæk). Max speed are 200 km/h instead of 210 km/h. And bonus to take this trains from the airport is that they do have connecting tickets to local transit between Eidsvoll and Asker, which the airport express does not have. The main reason to take the airport express to the airports is that there are always seats available and that they will guarantee to book you new tickets if you are delayed by the train for any reason and miss your flight (assuming you planned to be at the airport at the recommended time stated by the airline).

In Düsseldorf we have all of the mentioned options lol People mover (schwebebahn, like Wuppertal) that connects all terminals to the Regional Rail station, where you can even take an ICE. S-Bahn station direct under the airport, connecting to Düsseldorf and Cologne Stadtbahn station... Under construction. (opening 2024) Although the Stadtbahn line being built will not go directly to the city centre.

in germany we mostly dont have the need for these express lines as many airports have direct majoy train stations, like: -Frankfurt (main) airport has one of the most frequented high speed railway stations of the country -düsseldorf has an urban train directly to the terminal which comes all the way from cologne and travels through düsseldorfs main station + a trainstation which is linked by frequent monorail (~every 5 minutes) which servises a few high speed and a lot of regional trains (like the rrx) -berlin schönefeld and some more btw. düsseldorfs transportation network is really interesting and i would love a video on that :)

We need more airport rail

Absolutely love love love the UPX especially when it was at 15 min service intervals pre pandemic. given the option as a commuter I would always prefer taking the UPX vs driving to nearby GO stations like Malton. My personal hope is that the train is extended to Renforth station to better interact with developing rapid transit in Mississauga and the west end.

@carlinthomas9482

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, I would then extend it from there to Square One in Mississauga City Centre. Make Pearson airport a Union Station West, and you can have trains that connect to other GO lines, including a 407 commuter service.

@RMTransit

Жыл бұрын

At the very least, I think line 5 will provide some nice connections there

I think Elizabeth Line now acts as a good version of Heathrow express. Yes, it is slower, but you’re only loosing 15 min in terms of going direct to Paddington, that for half of the price + with it you can get to so many places without the interchange, purely on one seat ride including Canary Wharf and Liverpool Street

Chengdu provides its two airports with "high speed metro", they use 140kph 8A grouping trains with one less pair of door per car but with baggage racks, they are part of the metro network so the pricing and frequency is like normal metro, and for line 18 to Tianfu airport, they even provide express service bypassing non-important stations

Someone living in Hong Kong here. On peak airport traffic days before the pandemic, HK International Airport still did not do much 24-hours in terms of passenger flights. Operations during the small hours between 2-6am are usually limited by noise level restrictions, so those hours are reserved for cargo flights and only a few transcontinental passenger flights landing usually from North America/Europe. Unless you happen to be on those flights arriving early morning, there won't be much people travelling from or to the airport, so the Airport Express here operating 24-hours do not sound too logical. It might work for Toronto-Pearson, but not for Hong Kong I feel.

@RMTransit

Жыл бұрын

I don’t know I think one train per hour is not too much to ask

@ulysseslee9541

Жыл бұрын

MTR AE still have the last train of the day at 0048 depart at Hong Kong station Typically, Hong Kong Airport night operation mostly for cargo when 2-6AM and close 1 runway for maintenance. Passenger flight may last depart before 2AM and 1st arrive at after 5AM

@Protoman888

Жыл бұрын

The night bus service isn't the worst either for when the train isnt running. In general HK does logistics pretty well.

One thing I really like is in Switzerland the mainline of their train system goes from Zurich airport to Geneva airport it’s super practical and pretty cheap too

@impciv3pag

Жыл бұрын

Cheap? In Switzerland? Didn't expect that tbh

@abrahamtordjman9157

Жыл бұрын

@@impciv3pag ikr it’s very surprising lol

Back when I used to live in Paris and work at CDG, I took the RER every day from Denfert-Rochereau to CDG-1. Despite a "regular" line I soon learned the service pattern work out which trains were "express" (missing out certain stops in the suburbs) and which stopped everywhere...

Great video on a very interesting subject to compare different approaches around the world!

I like the Tokyo Monorail to Haneda Airport. 3 transit patterns, local (all stops), rapid (major stops), and express (city terminus and airport stations). Though Japanese train options are wonderful anyway (except within the major cities during morning peak). Kansai, Narita and Haneda airports all have multiple rail options, both local, rapid and express, with at least 2 different companies serving each. Melbourne finally approved an airport rail, they started building it a few months ago, and there are still people claiming it is "too soon". Canberra only has a bus. T_T Which only goes to the airport because it serves the government offices next door.

Airport express services are often more expensive because business travelers are short on time. I much prefer the Swiss approach that just has all S-Bahn and long distance trains stop at the airport. This way you can truly get anywhere at a fixed price. But then again, Zurich airport is also a huge hub for buses, so the integration is not just for the aviation sector.

Atlanta has rough transit but this is one thing we do well! 21 minutes from the airport to the center of the city! 2.50 a trip, trains waiting in the station!

My home city of Cologne, Germany, has just included normal trains into the airport service. You are directly connected to High speed trains, Regional and commuter trains. Of course included in the normal VRS price range for Cologne (except intercity/hs trains)

I automatically thought of copenhagen! I've landed at the airport twice, once at peak hours and the other after a 6hr delay after midnight. It was extremely pleasant both times and I waited no more than ten minutes waiting for the train to come back it was so frequent. I often think of it when traveling nowadays since while the Bay Area is decently connected via BART to most airports, San Jose is completely left out of the loop. It'd be nice to see the SJC airport as well connected as the cities in this video, especially since it is a huge employer in the area and the experience of slogging through traffic in the Bay just to wait another hour going through security and through check in would give anyone anxiety...

@RMTransit

Жыл бұрын

I think you’ll like next week’s video :-)

@alexstattion6927

Жыл бұрын

@@RMTransit Looking forward to it! 😁

@ab-tf5fl

Жыл бұрын

Yes - of all the cities I've visited, Copenhagen has one of the best airport connections ever. A train every 10 minutes that goes right to the city center in 10 minutes. Or, you can ride the train the other direction and end up in Sweden. Even at 5:30 AM, when I needed to leave for the flight back, the train was still every 10 minutes. My only criticism is that the downtown station did not have good signage, which left me very worried on the way back that I would accidentally get on the wrong train and end up missing my flight. In the end, that didn't happen, but some basic wayfinding signs in the station saying where to go to get to the train that goes to the airport, would be very much appreciated.

I'm surprised that Taipei's Taoyuan Airport MRT wasn't even mentioned. It runs both airport express and commuter services between each terminal and the city center, where you can transfer to standard rail, HSR, bus or metro. The line also provides access to a closer, less busy HSR station in the opposite direction. Fares range from US$1 to US$5. They also offer in-town check-in services, albeit only for a handful of airlines).

Philadelphia's Airport line is a regional rail line that goes through the downtown to Glenside, PA. Pretty cool

I would like to point out that the stockholm airport station also serves as a station for northbound trains just like Schiphol, it also serve the sleeper train going to Luleå/Narvik which makes it a great alternative traveling to small northern communities

I wouldn't be surprised if the Heathrow Express becomes cheaper in the next few years now that the Elizabeth Line can take you across the centre in one trip at a much better price. The Express may need to compete with this.

@katrinabryce

Жыл бұрын

If it is anything like the Gatwick Express, probably not. Southern Railway will get you to Victoria about 3 minutes slower for a lot less money. Thameslink will take you to more central locations at about the same price as Southern. They rely on fleecing visitors who don't know any better by having people selling tickets at the baggage reclaim area.

@marsdeat

Жыл бұрын

@@katrinabryce Yeah, pretty much this, but with one added wrinkle in Heathrow's case (as an open-access operator) that doesn't apply to Gatwick Express (which is part of the Southern franchise): Heathrow Airport wholly-owns the HX service and brand (and contracts it out to GWR), so while they do pay some lip-service to the Elizabeth and Piccadilly lines on their website, they have a vested interest in pushing HX in their own marketing where they can. The fact that the Liz goes to Paddington too does also make it easier to brush it under the rug as the 'worse option' for getting into Zone 1.

@RMTransit

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it’s going to be a really hard sell

It's not an express, but during the next week Washington DC Dulles Airport is getting a very good metro station. A major improvement.

@pqrstsma2011

Жыл бұрын

does Reagan/National have a stop on the Metro? can't remember if i've seen it on the map

@antiantiderivative

Жыл бұрын

@@pqrstsma2011 Yep, It’s on the Blue & Yellow lines just south of Pentagon & Crystal City

@antiantiderivative

Жыл бұрын

@@pqrstsma2011 Yep, It’s on the Blue & Yellow lines just south of Pentagon & Crystal City

@rajnadar6555

Жыл бұрын

Good metro station? 53 minutes from Dulles to Metro Center...give me a break.

@antiantiderivative

Жыл бұрын

@@rajnadar6555 you clearly have never lived near DC before

I like that you mentioned Newark when talking about airport shuttle trains. I took it recently and man is it bad. It's a total gadgetbahn and an aging falling apart one. We were forced to do a linear transfer because the last section of the shuttle (from the last parking lot to the mainline rail station) could only operate single track due to poor maintenance so they had a single train running back and forth acting as a shuttle within a shuttle. We should have just taken the bus to Newark Penn Station!

I bet that airport trains are a way easier sell to council members and the public at large, to get a city started with heavier mass-transit options. Seattle's Link rail (which currently only has one line) started as basically an airport-to-city-center line. I see people getting on at the northernmost rail head (the complete opposite end from the airport) with their suitcases all the time, and for my upcoming holiday travel, I am absolutely going to use the rail to get to the airport. Seattle is expanding their rail network, and has great expansion plans over the next decade-plus, but they started with basically the city-center-to-airport route. I flew into St. Louis once, and I remember their MetroLink (at the time, also a single line) went from... the airport through a handful of destinations in town. I remember basically nothing about how St. Louis is laid out, so I have no idea if those destinations were well-thought-out, or just in an expedient straight line. But my sister only had to walk a few blocks from her apartment to meet me at the train stop closest to her, instead of getting in the car and fighting traffic all the way to and from the airport.

This video is awfully well timed since Washington, DC is about to open the Silver Line extension to Dulles Airport (something that should’ve definitely been an airport express instead)

@millonondefloss

Жыл бұрын

Not likely, since Metro has plenty of other places to serve.

@davidlally592

Жыл бұрын

Mm used DCs Metro recently to get to Dulles. On the Metro map the airport link is shown but on arrival at the designated Metro stn, no signs at all shown -for Metros own 5a airport bus!! If this were TFL/ London, there'd be a clear notice showing the correct exit.

@millonondefloss

Жыл бұрын

@@davidlally592 I don’t understand. The Metro station at IAD won’t open until November 15. Also, the 5A only stops at Roslyn and L’Enfant.

@rajnadar6555

Жыл бұрын

@@millonondefloss How exactly has service improved in those other places by not having an express line to Dulles?

there were a few time that people ride the Tung Chung line train like the K-train in the Airport express line when the Asia World-Expo have event

@squidgame2021

Жыл бұрын

Smart way to move the larger crowds, would be even better if it started service at AsiaWorld Expo and then through ran to the Tung Chung Line, although I imagine the main reason this can't happen is the different fare system.

The Elizabeth Line now runs from Heathrow through central London to Abbey Wood. You can change at Whitechapel for trains to Shenfield. Although it's much slower than the Heathrow Express, it only takes 15 minutes longer, with no need to change trains at Paddington to get to destinations such as Tottenham Court Road, Bond Street, Farringdon and Canary Wharf. There is cross platform interchange with the Central line at Ealing Broadway in the eastbound direction. It costs much less than the Heathrow Express, but more than the Piccadilly line, because the branch from the Great Western main line to the airport is owned by Heathrow.

Some good examples are the german airports connected to SBahn, but also to regional and intercity trains connecting to various smaller towns. BER in Berlin has an express FEX service that just stops at major interchanges like Ostkreuz and Hbf. And Barcelona is building the R-Aeroport connecting it to their central station (Sants)

I think Incheon airport express is pretty damn good. 45 minutes from/to the airport if you take the non-stop version, drops you off right at Seoul station and is affordable at around 8 bucks. Only problem really is the frequency at every 30 to 45 minutes. But additionally between is an all-stop version with 11 stops that runs every 5 to 15 minutes and will take about an hour to get into Seoul. And it's cheaper at around 3 bucks.

@squidgame2021

Жыл бұрын

The Incheon Airport train (is it still called AREX?) is definitely more like the Heathrow Express (only connects to Seoul Station) rather than a real Airport Link. Although granted Seoul Station is more central than Paddington.

@pretty_okay

Жыл бұрын

@@squidgame2021 Yep, I am talking about AREX. Your point is valid for the express variant, but the all stops version has links to the metro system pretty much at every stop as the train leaves the airport island. So I would argue connectivity is actually pretty good. And beside Seoul Station you also get a stop at Hongdae.

@pretty_okay

Жыл бұрын

Actually, now that I think about it, the biggest downfall of AREX is probably operating times.

Interesting to see with DC Metro about to open Silver line to Dulles. Convenient but may be almost an hour to downtown.

@millonondefloss

Жыл бұрын

It is about an hour, but then IAD is 30 miles/45 kilometers with multiple stops. No connections to downtown though.

@rajnadar6555

Жыл бұрын

How is it convenient to walk about 10 minutes to the station and take almost an hour to get to DC?

@millonondefloss

Жыл бұрын

@@rajnadar6555 It’s a five minute walk, and downtown is 30 miles as the crow flies. What do you expect for $6.

One reason the Zurich solution works so well is that it's served by normal trains (long distance and commuter). They already have luggage storage as default. There's no metro.

While having multiple stations may be good it can still be detrimental at the same time. Milan's Malpensa Express comes to mind as I remember it taking forever to get to Centrale from Malpensa and the bus was sometimes faster. I'd say some of the best airport-rail connections is Frankfurt, Paris, Amsterdam, etc

For years there's been talk to build a metro in Dublin which would connect to the airport but planning takes decades in Ireland, if its ever built at all.

@alouisschafer7212

Жыл бұрын

Why does it have to be a Metro sounds just more expensive and complianced than a simple single track railway shuttle that just because drives back and forth on the same line.

@katrinabryce

Жыл бұрын

The Elizabeth line Line first appeared in the County of London Plan in 1943, and was discussed for quite a bit before that. It finally opened properly 3 days ago.

@RMTransit

Жыл бұрын

I need to make a video in Dublin soon!

@enthusiastisch1922

Жыл бұрын

I think the bus frequency is great as it is.

@darraghmckenna9127

Жыл бұрын

They originally planned to connect the Dart to the airport. Those plans had been announced before I was born… I turned 29 the other day and Still not train or Metro to the airport

Now the Elizabeth line is connected end to end, it’s a great option. Also Singapore gets little attention, but it’s an extensive MRT going right into Changi. Not an express service, but fast.

@markdebruyn1212

Жыл бұрын

But the elizabeth line is a commeter line with ony local train services, not an actual airport express

@heidirabenau511

Жыл бұрын

@@markdebruyn1212 It is very quick and is much faster than the Piccadilly Line and connects you to the centre of London and the West End as well as the financial district in the Docklands like Canary Wharf

@MarioFanGamer659

Жыл бұрын

@@markdebruyn1212 I disagree, it's more or less comparable to Frankfurt whose commuter trains also serve as the airport express. In fact, a dedicated airport train even used to be part of the S-Bahn network prior to the creation of today's S9. Edit: Admittingly, Frankfurt's airport isn't that far away to the city centre compared to Heathrow (Frankfurt Main Station is only four stops away from the airport on the S-Bahn) but the point still stands.

@Fan652w

Жыл бұрын

@@markdebruyn1212 But the Elizabeth line is still quite fast, and goes right across London serving the shops (Bond Street), City and Docklands Business Districts and a huge swathe of East London.

@y2an

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@@markdebruyn1212 Listen again to how he defines an airport express. And within the central section the Elizabeth line has limited stops, distributing passengers very effectively.

I think Vienna is an interesting case. The Vienna S-Bahn always went to the airport, but it was slow with many intermediate stops. Tickets from the central-ish station "Landstraße" cost 4,50 €. The ride is 22 minutes. Then in 2003 they opened the "City Airport Train" (CAT) - also from Landstraße. The ride takes 16 minutes (barely any faster), but it's expensive. Tickets are now 14,90 € one way, or 24,90 with return tickets. The trains have wide aisles and have a lot of luggage room - but they are double-decker. It does have Check-In a the train station though. Then in 2012-2015 they opened the new Vienna main station. And now many high-speed "Railjet" trains do not terminate at the main station, but continue non-stop to terminate at the Airport. For that purpose the did build some new rail corridor, to connect existing ones. The ride is just 14-15 minutes and only costs 4,50 €. So it's both cheaper and faster than the CAT. I don't know how that one is still in business. Probably clueless tourist looking for the airport express.

I loved how well connected was the airport of Athens!

Rome???? Surprised you didn’t mention it as there are two types of trains: express and local. Both have great connections either at Termini or other local connecting stations. Also a great use of the investment in a line.

@RMTransit

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Leonardo Express right…?

One of the things that is quite good and is relatively painless living near Manchester is the airport link from Manchester to Blackpool. Takes me halfway home then a seperate line takes me the rest of the way.