Excellent presentation. I think you may have a future in urban planning and transport.

@eventhusist6969

Жыл бұрын

I agree. He should plan how to make a train line to Mount Barker

From the perspective of a person that uses bikes and trains to get around the most, I think the flinders line is great. As I cannot take my bike on the bus, I use the flinders line to get to the belair line to get back up the hill from the sheperds hill recreation park. My only two problems would be that no express services are run, and ofc the service frequency lmao.

@zaco21_

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah true, the line is very small that’s why

I've actually found it quite useful for bike rides. If you ever need to access Shepard's hill for MTB it's really close, and after a finishing a ride further up north its been really convenient to hop on Flinders from Adelaide Showground after riding down Greenhill Rd, or hopping on at Emerson after riding down the Old Freeway bike path, and then ride up the expressway bike path, accessing Aberfoyle, Flagstaff and Happy Valley. It's a pretty niche use, but its actually been fairly useful for me.

You need to consider South Rd traffic. You try catching a 721f, 722f or 719 at 5pm on a weekday. The train is much quicker for peak travel if you wish to go to FMC interchange. Also due to CBD and South Rd traffic the buses will often run late.

Great Video. Looking forward to the overland video :D

There is currently a major construction project underway adjacent to the railway station that will house students, shops, cafes & university facilities. I think you were a bit early dismissing this rail project.

very interesting, I can unfortunately see many of these issues being repeated with the SRL. Looking forward to the Overland video.

Yeah, this is a much better video than the one I did a few months ago. Thinking of bringing up a motion at my next Young Labor gathering to pressure the goverment to improve our stations.

Great video, reminds me of the closed Kew line in Melbourne where the terminus was built in an isolated spot and trams provided a much better service, hopefully the government can help improve the service, looking forward to the overland video sounds very interesting

@darylcheshire1618

Жыл бұрын

Just like the Fitzroy line which took 30 minutes compared to 10 mins by tram. The Fitzroy line was a freight line for most of it’s life. Likewise the Mornington line which ran in a big arc and took 30 minutes from Frankston when buses provided a more direct service.

Should have done what the Victorian government does. Just ignore everyone and bulldoze through whatever they want and throw a few bucks at the owners.

@qjtvaddict

2 жыл бұрын

That’s how things get done bro.

Perhaps a Flinders Station Interchange could work as a double interchange with the existing Flinders Medical Interchange? The two Flinders Interchanges wouldn't be much further apart than the Noarlunga Centre and Colonnades Interchanges are now.

YESS! i’m so happy you uploaded, great video!

the only issue i have with it is the single track, they spent all the time and effort to only stick in a single track?

@TheDirtydogdisco02

2 жыл бұрын

They would've had to have duplicated it from Mitchell Park where the rail corridor is quite narrow, so would need property acquisitions massively pushing up the price

What they should’ve done was build the train station above the current bus interchange, especially since they had to elevate so much anyway. This also would’ve made expansion of the line easier in the future, as they could’ve continued running it above the street to the south.

Great video. I went down to Flinders when I was last in Adelaide earlier this year, agree with many of your observations. Another issue is the lack of wayfinding - I didn't even realise that there was a bus interchange nearby!

@garynewton1263

2 жыл бұрын

I'm from Melbourne also, this line is bullshit, it should have been extended to Aberfoyle Park.

@ziran80

Жыл бұрын

@@garynewton1263 Unfortunately, that would involve tunnels, an uphill grade, and bridges through the Sturt Gorge National Park, so that would never get done. Was a shame it wasnt extended up to the main Flinders Uni campus.

@garynewton1263

Жыл бұрын

@@ziran80 main flinders uni campus? Bugger uni's. Fuck. Don't you south australians ever think of the big picture. No wonder adelaide was planned so poorly. Whole communites use trains, not just narrowminded left wing uni students.

Train to nowhere is exactly what it is. Should have been extended to Flagstaff Hill, Aberfoyle Park and Possibly Woodcroft. Nobody consulted any of those suburbs. Typical ignorant SA governments.

@Adelaide_Transit

2 жыл бұрын

The gradients are too steep to have extended it to flaggy and Aberfoyle. A line once did service near Aberfoyle Park, it pulled off the seaford line near Marino due to favourable topography. Not only is the land to steep, it also is a highly protected area with national parks and nature reserves covering the hill side. The reason Aberfoyle Park has such frequent busses is to make up for the fact its borderline impossible to get a railway to it

@jacintaedwards1123

2 жыл бұрын

@@Adelaide_Transit Rubbish, build a tunnel! The train terminating at Flinders is simply unacceptable. Why don't SA governments ever look at other cities to see what would have worked better? Is it because they are stubborn and childish? Melbourne and Perth have the two best Metro train networks in the southern hemisphere however SA beauracrats won't use ideas from either city because they are sitting in their 'High chairs' crying and spitting out their food!

@Adelaide_Transit

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacintaedwards1123 right...... a tunnel through a national park with known caves, rock falls and aquifers, let's say they build the tunnel where is your proposed line going to terminate?

@jacintaedwards1123

2 жыл бұрын

@@Adelaide_Transit .........oh, looks like its all too hard in Adelaide to build things. Don't worry about it, I see what's going on with the mentality in SA. This place will never prosper while negative people run the place. South Australia...........R.I.P

@Adelaide_Transit

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacintaedwards1123 there's a difference between being too hard and a matter of impossibility

I wonder how possible it would be to have it dive underground and loop around the campus back to the line

I find the flinders line useful which I use everyday but agree to transfer to a bus it’s a pain that the walk to the bus interchange is a fair walk. Also wish they could have made it a two track, maybe that may have increased train times on the line. Currently am annoyed and wondering why seaford line can operate and not flinders on weekdays. Any idea why is that Aussie Warraway?

@TheDirtydogdisco02

2 жыл бұрын

It's just easier to close it. School holidays atm so uni student patronage just isn't there to justify it staying open (though it's not a precedent I like to see set)

@qjtvaddict

2 жыл бұрын

Just e scooter it

bro, what are you talking about. It's literally a 5 min walk to the uni, this a nonproblem.

Hey Aussie Wirraway, Can you make a video on build The South Australian Railways (SAR) Class 620 4-6-2 Pacific number 621 The Duke of Edinburgh of 1936 in Minecraft? Thanks LJL

Just an idea. Instead of relocating the bus station, how about extending the bus routes to or through the train station?

The Flinders Medical Centre is a two to three minute walk from the station so it's a bit disingenuous to say it's surrounded by "a lot of nothing". And the Flinders Private Hospital is even closer.

@tangiers365

Күн бұрын

Flinders uni is ages away clearly you don't go there

Isn’t this similar to the problem in US and Canada where train stations are in the middle of huge carparks instead of the middle of towns snd shopping centres.

Should of extended to the Bus Exchange. No thought went to the decision. And you have it spot on👍

I can't believe you have under 3 thousand subcribers so ima comment for the algorithm.

At $140m to build, the line should have been built better _and_ for two-way running its entire length at that. A solution (albeit expensive one) would have been to put the station in a tunnel from just West of the current station and have the line terminate directly underneath the bus interchange. As part of future-proofing, a stub tunnel/turnback would have facilitated future network expansion and/or line connections as well as simply allowing shorter headway between services. Why do Australian transport planners keep making the same mistakes?! 🤦🏻‍♂️ Very interesting video and I agree with you - I also really like the quality of both the new station and Adelaide’s rolling stock. 👍🏻

they should have made this into a Salisbury interchange type thing where the bus location is changed to that location and then they branch out to every other location, and possibly have a tram running around there too. they only did one track as well, so they did the southern expressway all over again with the single track, it's proving to be quite popular but because it's elevated for much of the track it's going to be quite the penny to modify it, especially in areas that are... compressed near the track But at the same time, they could move the interchange to underground, where the buses roll through and pick up, drop off passengers and take them onwards and upwards, while leaving everything above to be developed, the carpark can be moved under ground to be beside the interchange in the future when the uni decides to finally get off it's tush to make use of the land, and possibly add commercial ventures in the locale as well, I want Adelaide to be a living breathing city but having a single line and not be light rail is just really REALLY short sighted of them especially when they could have spent a little more money and got a duplication.

The Flinders Line was designed to have two tracks.

Agreed, planning to somewhere is better. With a little forward thinking it could be extended southwards. The bus service has to pickup / alight passengers as close to the station as possible. Journey time has to be reduced to the city.

If I built it, I would have extended it west and linked it back up to the Belair line to loop services back to Adelaide

1km away from the main Flinders campus...what a useless design. I remember the early options of a light rail along Flinders Drive...not perfect but much better

If it was extended to the where the car park is to the south east it could have had some walking connection across the main road with a pedestrian overpass. Basically this extension needs an extension.

Probably it’s been built as a park and ride station just like other stations on the outskirts that have a railway station and bus station to serve the local community.

There's oh so much more bad planning in SA regarding rail, like the fact that there's no trains to gord darn Mount Barker. Just goes to show how sad SA rail infrastructure actually is

Those frequencies are attrocious. Anything less than 10 minutes at peak and 20 off peak is just not going to encourage patronage

Run more trains and keep the bus interchange closer move the car park lot farther let the fools walk.

the train colud go to the buss interchange

Add express tracks or make the bus a BRT local version to the express trains and if the buses get slammed replace with local trains.

Very well presented, but recently the government tried to make changes to public transport as a whole with proposed bus route changes and force new bus routes to train and tram, the back lash from the bus public transport user's was enormous and caught out many in government and DIT / Adelaide Metro and realised it was not going to work as it was going to be political suicide in many ways as 70% of user's it would have increased travel times with multiple transfers to get to intended destination, second there was going to be a reduction in patronage as those who could would drive instead and blown out the government's carbon emissions reduction targets more political suicide.

Why are there no loco-hauled passenger trains in Australia? Because they have EMUs Sorry. But this is the only nerdy niche that understands this joke.

Great review. Your points a very sensible. I feel like your points could also apply to Mawson Lakes station.

The flinders line really needs to be improved

do a perth video cause yes

@ACDZ123

Ай бұрын

Metronet

Get a job for the SA government you'd do better than all the public transport planners in south aus they are useless

Sorry but I disagree with your "click bait'" title and tone of your presentation

Read my mind dude

Given that this was built to transport students, and people who need the hospital, it does a poor job of both. The hospital users won't walk the distance unless forced. Also why add to their pain. Bad job SA Gov. They have proven again that politicians and public servants are pretty much useless.

this is such an awful video lmao, no one is going to get the bus looking at the google maps times.

While nothing to do with the practicality of the station, it's also a really ugly station. for $140million i would have expected a more aesthetic station. It looks like there is hardly even any shade!

@Adelaide_Transit

2 жыл бұрын

Better than many in Adelaide

tell em their dreaming