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@r13hd22

8 ай бұрын

Not only is this a short-sighted video using mostly only western viewpoints...its also not researched well at all. It completely ignored that LucasArts already wanted another MMORPG because Star Wars GALAXIES was dying. It only made SENSE to make another MMO based on a successful RPG series. Also, WoW was not the only god damn MMORPG making massive amounts of money. By 2010 NDoors games was the biggest gaming company on the planet, and all from the massive amount of income they were making on their MMOs the previous 8 years...for fucks sake, we have cash shops in our games because THEY made so god damn much off of them before even EQ2 and Lotro put theirs in back in what was it 2006-2007? The gaming industry knew what you clearly did not and EA was looking with yearning eyes at trying to figure out how to do it when SWTOR was being greenlit but HAD NOT DONE IT YET. That came years LATER and thus even your rant about EA was wrong which doubly pisses me off because I HATE seeming like I am defending that shit company. Next, the idea that "Fans were not happy" because they wanted another Kotor...those were the majority of SWTORs early players and they LOVED IT. SWTOR was the second most successful western MMORPG within its first year because fans wanted what was basically KOTOR online. The damn game sold over 2 million copies before going F2P at a time when the only other MMO with over 1 million players in the WEST was WoW...A game that have over 12 million active players in 2011 and you taking a couple of random posts from forums means nothing, you can find a couple people giving opinions about ANYTHING and its clear those posters only have a few comments and are not actual members of the community. For fucks sake, Knights of THE OLD REPUBLIC...Star Wars THE OLD REPUBLIC...you think fans did not think they were getting a KOTOR sequel?!? Jesus, talk about trying to re-write history. I cant even begin to tap on the nonsense that follows after this about the writer acting as if the most loved thing about this game from the community was the core class STORIES... Your video, came off like trash and not even remotely well researched. Almost a "I need a rage video" let me toss one together. Sad.

@JimBobsArcade87

5 ай бұрын

Before level 80 its still one of the greatest MMOs there is considering most people want to compare fantasy with sci-fi and it's apples and oranges

Personally I just started playing this game a few months ago & I am enjoying the hell out of the origin stories of each character.

@nataschajongsma6210

8 ай бұрын

They really are the best part. I could play those over and over again if I didn't have to pay sub to not deal with the shitty restrictions.

@ragnnohab

8 ай бұрын

If the best thing you can say about what's supposed to be a sprawling universe for people to live a digital life in is it makes a good book then it's failed as a game.

@OG-ColorfulAbyss.

7 ай бұрын

You won't once you realize that they should have all been one story and that there's several things that couldn't happen in one of them if something does or does not happen in another one. The plots are all twisted up too. Like some of the motivations of the MC are wrong for their class and some of the really important crew mates actually need to be swapped around. Originally SWTOR was supposed to be KOTOR 3 and you can really tell that when you compare all of the Force user stories to Revan's entire story.

@feral_orc

7 ай бұрын

@@OG-ColorfulAbyss. you are the only person who cares about those things trust me

@anonymouszim1811

5 ай бұрын

@@OG-ColorfulAbyss. you are trash

I loved this game between 2013-2015, best mmo experience I've ever had.

@unangwatataro7215

9 ай бұрын

Combat balance. So simple reason. I remember soloing heroics was an art, and difficult. Now your companion can solo, and you just stand and watch, and clap.

@CashmoneyM

8 ай бұрын

Eh I loved marvel heroes better

@nikelas6

8 ай бұрын

@@CashmoneyM that game was so bad

@mattmoore9716

8 ай бұрын

Yes, stuff like that is what made me quit the game. I used to love trying to solo the heroics

@metaltera86

8 ай бұрын

I would say it’s almost better than KOTOR

Nah I just resubbed, quit playing battle royals to come back and play this gem. I love the RPG and story’s man. I’ll always come back to this game

It's not dead but I will always be playing this game. Everyone should play this MMO. It has around 200,000-300,000 players so I wouldn't call it dead or dying.

@pauldunecat

9 ай бұрын

I've been subbed to SWTOR since the big lull in Legion before Suramar came out. I jump in every month or so and for every expac. It's still fun to play, still has content updates, they changed the classes to hybrids, and now moved to a caretaker studio who will give it more love. It's actually a good time to jump in!

@contentcrusader1776

9 ай бұрын

Thank yall for saying that I was thinking they shut down or something

@MarineCARMINE

9 ай бұрын

@@contentcrusader1776 Same lol, I was like what? I played it this morning.

@val1n

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, SWTOR is not dead. I can't count how many times I read or heard this or that MMO is dead. WoW is dead, LotRO is dead, SWTOR is dead, ESO is dead and so on. Yes, I will admit, all of those games nowadays don't have as many subscribers as they had. But there are still many people playing and hopefully enjoying those games.

@zaiken639

9 ай бұрын

there is 2 versions of dead, 1. lack of content in updates and 2. lack of players he is talking about the first one.

BioWare didn’t develop KOTOR2. That was Obsidian.

Man, SWTOR was the game that got me truly hooked on MMO's, still have fond nostalgic memories of this game. Still login and play for awhile when I'm craving a good story in an MMO, but I never find myself playing for too long before moving on to something else.

As a single player game, its actually ok...i love playing as my sith alts and the story for each was pretty good and the eternal throne was AMAZING! ive got some fond memories of playing it and i jump in every now and again to have a look!

@immortalfrieza

8 ай бұрын

It's okay as a single player game... and could be miles better were it actually built to be one.

@voidfoxx5921

8 ай бұрын

@@immortalfrieza Its honestly felt more and more like a single player game, you can do dungeons etc on your own, hardcore zones are now soloable so you dont really have any reason to talk to other people that much!

@immortalfrieza

8 ай бұрын

@@voidfoxx5921 Maybe it's going down that road now, but the game still wasn't designed to be one, it was designed to be an MMO and thus the MMO conventions are everywhere.

@voidfoxx5921

8 ай бұрын

@@immortalfrieza yeah at the start you need to group up more but they changed you companion to now be a basically immortal healer or tank which takes away some of the mmo part of things. Its still a solid single player experience but it could have been like that to start with

@immortalfrieza

8 ай бұрын

@@voidfoxx5921 Right. Now they're trying to make it more singleplayer friendly... but it's still built on the foundation of an MMO. There's a lot that would've been vastly different had the game been made to be a singleplayer game, even if the storytelling was exactly the same.

With videos like these, it will hardly encourage people to go play it.

@Littlebittykitty

9 ай бұрын

Who wants to play a dead game? Few years ago it was hellavalot of fun.

@arkainin4638

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, kind of bull. The game is making a ton of money for EA and is not going anywhere anytime soon. It has a pretty good-sized community still, it's just more niche is all. They're still rolling out content that's actually pretty solid. Videos like this try to trick people into thinking it's dead just because it's not pulling mainstream MMO numbers.

Both eternal empire expansions have one of the best stories told in Star Wars history, i'll never forget how good it was.

@Dontknowme81

8 ай бұрын

That’s no lie, and should be made into a movie

For me SWTOR started to go down after they destroyed the Eternal Fleet after spending all that time trying to get it they just remove it utterly in a half baked story and we ending up right back were we started with the Empire vs Republuc like nothing changed at all

I just started playing this the other day and there’s still brand new players like me joining everyday

Why does bro keep saying "KOTAR" 😭

@freakjob0

8 ай бұрын

This is one of my pet peeves as well. Everyone and their mother says KOTOR, with a clear O sounds. Yet, there are always people who don't adhere to the common conventions.

I met my best guild family I've ever had through that game and I still play with those people too, it was a great game for 3 years but it killed itself. But I'm glad I did play just because of those friends I've made

@user-jo3tn6cu4n

8 ай бұрын

far longer than 3 years.

"'If you break from theme, you're trying to hard'' This is my spirit animal.

Still playing it , i still see alot of people in game, more than other games mmos . They just changed whos taking over the game, theres still updates for it coming in . So i dont think it will "die" i more than a few years.

I remember playing this game before all the bullshit updates, that made the game super easy to play and destroyed hybrid classes. Even the world pvp was alive at that time. It was the best time for me, hunting players in the contested worlds and playing pvp in huttball. The best days of MMO for me since Star Wars Galaxies.

@Fedaygin

5 ай бұрын

I also remember those golden days.. Well summed up ^^ 😮‍💨 Lil above i made a semi similar comment to @scottboyer8450 📜

@leonardomuniz8253

5 ай бұрын

I remember that time. Open World PvP was awesome. So many ppl enjoyed. Times when there were daily big clashes on Tatooine.

@vutsxx

5 ай бұрын

@@leonardomuniz8253 BR né? Eu lembro de como eu parava as missões no meio só para sair procurando player inimigo no mapa kkkkkk eu sabia aonde tinham missões da República e ficava esperando os desavisados chegarem kkkkk mas não só fazia isso com o povo de mesmo lvl que eu pra ser divertido. Era foda cara, além de huttball pqp, dava pra jogar aquilo o dia inteiro que cada partida era diferente uma da outra. Saudades de jogar com meu sniper e meu operativo. Já fui um dos melhores operativos do servidor na época.

@leonardomuniz8253

5 ай бұрын

@@vutsxx Sim kkk bons tempos. Todo dia era dia de pvp. Fazia o mesmo. Tinha tbm as rotas de baú, antes da economia estourar, 💵 era só rodar e sair matando 😂 O legal era logar na outra facção tbm e ver os alertas na outra facção e dava pra instigar a guerra. Joguei mais com Mara e Jug.

@vutsxx

5 ай бұрын

@@leonardomuniz8253 era foda mesmo kkkkk eu pegava bem com Sniper, Operador e o Inquisidor Sorcerer. Jugg infelizmente nao upei na época do Smash OP que dava crit em todo mundo depois de saltar kkkkk pqp, era lindo. 6k era um dano absurdo, 9k então pqp. Lembro que meu maior dano tinha sido com o Sniper, usando Ambush, critei em 15k na época. Arrancava metade da vida pra mais essa porcaria kkkk era foda

Game is still here and people can play it right now and have one of the best star wars experiences available, and the majority of the story content is free and not money-gated.

@Littlebittykitty

9 ай бұрын

Thats not enough to keep veterans like me around. They changed alot of things thus rendering the game dead. Bad choices killed this game.

Nix - I'm a new viewer. Youre great at content creation. Glad I found this channel!

This was certainly a fun experience when I use to play it. Literally went through all class stories in base game and how they all relate to each other in some small way but sometimes in a big way as well. I did became a bit disappointed that they streamlined the Main storyline to be more based on which Side you are on rather than making each class have their own unique story. However, it is understandable since it can be difficult to make the story unique all the time for every single class and have to account for almost every single detail the players made in past events for their Main storyline. The Agent storyline will always be my favorite out of the 8 class storylines due to how unique the experience is to a point every action can end up preventing from accessing the Double Agent ending if you made the wrong choices at a specific moment. It is a shame they never really follow up on the Double Agent ending much since they only created small scenes for the Agent that ended up with the Double Agent ending. Only part I never experienced was the Raids because I did not have much time to dedicate to a actual Raid team schedule so I missed out on a big chunk of the story for SWTOR that can only be seen through playing the raids and unique small dialogue changes to our character's main storyline based on if our character did the raid storyline or not.

Death of an MMO seems a bit over the top I think its still an amazing game, and last time I was playing it had quite a few players and guilds and groups, I hope your wrong! Though another well made video again!

@borek92

9 ай бұрын

It gets clicks. People love dramas

@SkylerStarkweather

9 ай бұрын

Its a death MMO for veteran players of the game. If u log in the game right now, what u will see most are new players that just started playing the game, which is why is not totally dead, cus new players keep coming and going. But most of the veteran players already stopped playing and paying for subscription.

@jojodelivery5916

8 ай бұрын

That's incorrrect. I'm a SWTOR founder and still play it to this day. @@SkylerStarkweather

@SkylerStarkweather

8 ай бұрын

@@jojodelivery5916 Well, I said most of the veteran players, not all of them. I still play from time to time as well, but I don't pay subscription since last year. And I really don't spend a lot of time in this game anymore, so it's pretty dead to me.

@hackermanack3393

6 ай бұрын

Were you a sweaty tryhard pvper and thats why the game is "dead"

this game was thriving until EA made the worst decision and fired a bunch of people this isn't the first time they did that. they did it with battlefront 2 the game was doing very good and they pulled the plug. its almost like they don't like star wars games.

@takumu781

2 ай бұрын

yea its sad, like the eternal empire storyline was really the last big content we got. Which is sad I think.

I just got into it, and im having fun, plenty of people still running around and doing activities. Although im not the biggest star wars fan, just an mmo fan, i feel the gameplay, story, and option for grouping with others refreshing compared to many other games out atm.

This game hooks you hard, but finishes like a single player game. Once your done, your done. You can come back every few months and catch up. Not like on wow where if you are behind you are BEHIND. So it has its positives and negatives. Its all about the story and role play. Classes feel fun. However, there is just not THAT much at all. Thats a good problem to have but they just dont have the man power to keep pushing out big expacs and keep it fresh.

@Kira110lol

9 ай бұрын

Yeah. ME and everyone I know.. We play the game like a single player RPG where you can meet your friends between dialogues.

@shawnbanks222

9 ай бұрын

@@Kira110lol Yeah thats basically how I enjoy it as well, Its space barbies at times. I love making looks and enjoying the story, meeting some interesting people. But the game should have been marketed and developed as a Multiplayer online Rpg the game just cant handle anything Massive without lag and problems.

@bercor4948

8 ай бұрын

​@@shawnbanks222i think that's just an issue on your end brother. Never had any lag or issues like that

@AzureRoxe

8 ай бұрын

The reason why it finishes like a single player game......is because literally everyone mentioned it felt like a single player game. This is why everything starting with Knights of the Eternal Empire started to flatout BE single player story. The game is an unofficial Kotor 3.

@Lexipumpkin783

8 ай бұрын

For YEARS the pvp in this game was really really good, open world pvp on pvp servers were lit, pvp arenas and battle grounds was amazing. but they ended up abandoning every aspect of the game except for the story and even then it takes years to get 5 minutes of story added lol

Love your Videos And you was talking about so much thinks I was thinking about too the last times. Thank you

SWG: Nobody can top the epic fail that was the NGE! SWTOR: Hold my lightsaber!

@Fedaygin

5 ай бұрын

True that.. :( We still need SWG2.. Then Swtor the Horrid low bootmapped character models via poor old Alpha Hero Engine to be Dumped into ditch 🤞 Kindly: Swtoer since it's beta days to four and half first years forward. Then couldn't stand the 'Keeping Up With The Valkorions' bullcrap so took a few years break. Once back from break, i was able to stay for two months until noticed that uhh still same ol clunky animations.. 👾 Also flat character visuals even when settings cranked to max with good Rig & so on.. Still even today watered down player companions that are like terminators & not to forget all of em terrain stuck glitches.. 😮‍💨 [Even created my profile to Swtor's website year plus before beta days arrived. So much excitement down to drain in less than five years after launch. Le Sigh] ☹

I still play KOTOR and KOTOR 2 about once a year. I still love both games, even 20 years later.

Meanwhile the game still has packed starter planets, packed player hubs, and there are comments on every SWTOR video from people that just started playing and love it.

it is not dead and its still going strong

Makes me sad, this was my favorite MMO, played it every day until it went F2P, that was the day the game died, I have tried going back multiple times throughout the year but it is just a dead, milked husk of what it once was. Damn you EA.

You really skipped over the positives and ways they improved the game as quick as possible. This game is, pound for pound, the most enjoyable MMO experience I've ever had. I've always returned to it because of this.

@Bloodhoven

6 ай бұрын

have you tried out GW2?

I’m enjoying you game retrospective videos Nixxiom. You make them really interesting because you have a deep knowledge of and respect for lore. I played SWTOR from release for 4 years. I loved it but they just didn’t have enough end game content. The raids were really interesting, there just weren’t many of them. Also, they started releasing raids on normal which we would play for months. Then they would release a hard mode version of the exact same raid. This got to be really tedious and I eventually lost interest. Hello to any of my Stoic guildies out there! Stoic is still my favorite guild ever. Donuts!!!

TOR started losing interest before it was released due to three factors. First, there was already a very well-regarded Star Wars MMO in play called Galaxies, which is still held as one of the best MMOs for crafting and non-combat class play. At the end, it attempted what is only now becoming possible technically. What hurt TOR was when, after professing confidence the two games could co-exist, TOR seemed to pressure Lucasfilm into pulling SWG's license and close it just before TOR's launch. The second thing that hurt TOR was the pre-release information that showed the game moving from the sandbox model to a typical Trinity MMO model, which took away some of the hopes that BW had set with previous statements. The third thing, and perhaps the most damaging, was the Dev's statements regarding the players of the game and their comprehension of the source material they were supposed to be working with. Statements like "Let's be honest, MMO players aren't good at that sort of thing", "Crafting and such activities just distract players from the real point of a game, that of fighting and looting", and "We don't have any space content in our game because, if you look at all the movies and other material, nothing of any import or worth happened in space" did much to poison players expectations. The space content only came about years after release when the Devs realized there were many players who wanted it, and it took two attempts before they came up with something the players expected of a game such as this. All in all, TOR started out doing alot of wrong things, and then pushed monetization to points unseen in almost any other MMO (FTP players must buy the ability to hold any kind of meaningful conversation, as an example), and despite having repaired some of the early flaws, continues to have the same attitudes and priorities that have caused it the troubles in the past.

@arkainin4638

7 ай бұрын

As someone who grew up playing SWG, that game had long since died in the hearts and minds of the players long before SWTOR. I have zero clue what people are talking about with losing interest pre-SWTOR. I was there, subbed to the forms long before the game came out and the entire thing had massive hype with Star Wars fans before and right after launch. For a big part of the SWG community that game was cancer. They ripped its heart with the NGE, and most of us left way before the license was pulled. Things fell fairly sharp after that with a botched Illumn drop and it became clear the developers were not going to deliver the same quality of personal narrative that they did out of the box, but even then, it was a booming MMO for years. Even then, up until Hutt Cartel it was a pretty mainstream popular game. Things fell again sharply after that. They never recaptured the mainstream population at that point. Was it a WoW killer, no, but that does not exist. I'd also add that FTP was not even a thing for quite some time. Originally it was a box-buy game with a sub. FTP, while annoying, is the only reason the game is still going. I also have literally no clue what you're talking about needing to "buy the ability to hold any kind of meaningful conversation." Been a year since I played, but chat options were literally in no way limited by if you were subbed or spent money, at all. Not simping for the game or the Devs, but some of what you say is straight up wrong.

@kebasor

7 ай бұрын

@@arkainin4638 Well, I was there after NGE, and I can say it was a great game that tried to do things most games today are only now starting to try. Integrating ground, space, and personal combat into a single common space with the MMO world was quite a task, and though the technology couldn't ultimately make it work on the scale needed, they did get it to work part of the way. I found SWG to be a very enjoyable game, and quite a few I knew who still played did as well. I think alot of the dissatisfaction of the changes came as a result of a sense of loss of entitlement in the efforts players went through to become Jedi and the changeover to established classes rather than any real issue with gameplay. As for not having the ability to hold meaningful conversation without buying it, we encounter it in our guild quite a bit where a ftp player is limited in only being able to send a chat line once a minute, assuming they have passed the lower levels and can chat at all (and where new and lower level players usually need chat the most). It is only when they have purchased something using real money (cartel coins) that those restrictions are lifted, and other capabilities (like being able to access the GTN) also have to be purchased to unlock them.

great job on on the vid💯💯

The 8 unique Class stories are awesome.. what came after is crap because no matter what your Class is you're playing the same story on each character which can get very tedious

uh this game is very much alive with a steady fan base never died still goin strong XD

Really well made retrospective, Nixxiom. Your content just gets better and better, bro, well done.

The cautionary tale of Bioware. After their early successes, they always grasped for something popular they were not good at, and they always failed.

Oh man, loved SWTOR for its story and universe, but it's the game that made me realise that I hate MMOs

I remember how my friend started playing SWTOR right after release, and I was in his home for a visit, for a weekend, when I watched him finish installing the game, and create his character - Inquisitor - , and I was honestly stunned by all the dialogues, cutscenes, voice acting... I was a WoW player and I expected something like a WoW in space Story is the best content of SWTOR, and the main reason why I play it. I treat it more like classic singleplayer Bioware RPG, with MMO aspects. I do group content quite rarely with my guild, only story or vet Ops every once in a while, but most of the time I just make a new alt, and play with outfits and colors (Space Barbie :D ). Honestly I never had so much fun in any other game, just by playing with fashion, outfits, colors... I also like to do "cosplays" like for example something from 40K, and then play Random Warzones with my costumes

Unsubbed. Enjoyed your content but this video is just not true. Misleading title

There are still people who swear the best is yet to come and the game will get better mostly newish players but as someone who was there at launch to Shadow of Revan...........history says otherwise

I've been on and off WOW for much longer, but SWTOR was the longest consistent game i've ever played, absolutely loved it until it began falling apart

I didnt feel cheated or disrespected because they made SWTOR instead of KOTOR3. It was a solid game with some good storylines, more irritated by EA basically cutting funding instead of re-investing in it. Look at what square-enix did with FF14 when it wasnt what people were hoping for. Thats what SWTOR needed, and instead of doing right by their customers EA pulled the typical cut and run.

love that you took a screenshot of the dutch fifa lootboxes :)

To this day I still tell people they should play this game, in solo mode, if nothing else.

i started at launch and had been there till shadow of Revan boy let me tell you the raids where glorious if you wanted a challenge boy you got it. Heroic was Hard and Nightmare deserved the name. i had so soooo much fun raiding with my guild my friends we were barely a full raid groupe, at our hight we had a cassual raid groupe aswell still we where major players seconde to best guild on the server well conected doing world events with several other guilds. boy those where the days never again have i had so much fun with such a greate comunity in an mmo but with shadow of revan it went downhill you could have called it an exodus people where leaving in droves servers where merged more then once and swtor had changed i returned several times playing for a month or 2 catching up on the story but 4 month ago was the last time for me....the game has become a raped beaten bastardisation of what it once was there is close to nothing remaining it is forever twisted beyond recognition and i can no longer feel the bond we once shared its a god damn tragedy. sorry englisch is not my main language

After watching Madseason’s video on Star Wars galaxies, this video is just as good and very much appreciated about the other Star Wars game. I never played it but I sure learned a lot, thanks Nixxiom. EA is really unfortunate. I wonder how you feel about Activision acquiring Blizzard and the difference. I know Vivendi owned but I don’t think Vivendi directly influences blizzard but I could be wrong.

Excellent video 👍

I recall a launch where the servers were completely overwhelmed. They severely over compensated by opening up way too many additional servers. Combined with the decline in subscribers and the explosion of server space and transfers, the original servers became a ghost town, and group content became all but impossible.

Starwars galaxies is my biggest sorrow, the day they shit it down was the worst in my gaming history

Great video dude!

I would say it's a death of an RPG with some elements of multiplayer, I'm sure they could release this game as a singleplayer thing 100%

This is why I hate mass consolidation. It's all about RoI. They also chose the Hero Engine. I never understood why. I had hopes for this game and had fun leveling for the first half but you could tell quality started falling off. My friends then hit end game and quit so I left as well.

The Jedi counselor is the one and true jedi story. - Healing people - Protecting people - unraveling a curse and a dark past. - Diplomacy - Infiltration - Fighting Sith But hey, there are many fans of star wars that don't care about the philosophical aspects or even the lore. All they want are pew pew, and fire ma laser. And tbh most mmorpg gamers don't even read a quest they just click accept and go. When WoW launched people did this too so they needed an Addon that did put an arrow on the screen where you had to head to. So in short people like a smash a button simulator gameplay style. And the same people probably call games like Call of duty boring because you run around shooting people... same thing in the end. P.S Yeah Swotor feels like a singleplayer at times for real. But if it was not for stuff like Looking for group/raid WoW would still be mostly played solo.

I loved this game for so long, truly sad to see the emense potential it had end in this way. 😭

I played Everquest for years. Next, I moved on to WOW through the launch of the pandas. I played SWTOR from the launch. SWTOR is my absolute favorite of the three, with Everquest a close second. It is an amazing game. If they had waited 6 months and launched with all of the features it was supposed to have, it would have been much more successful. They weren't ready at launch, but wanted to adhere to their announced date.

The only things missing from this breakdown for me are: 1) the temporary yet significant population boost the game recieved with SWTOR's release on Steam, and, 2) the crushing dissapointment of the lackluster handling of the games 10th anniversary. The weak/barely there celebration saw enthusiasm and hope for the game dissapate and the player base subsequently lose much of what gaines it had made upon the Steam release. a HUGE missed opportunity. The state of the Star Wars movies and D+ shows haven't helped. Hard to capitalize much on Book of Boba Fett, Ashoka & Mando season 3, even though they've tried.

I think this game died at launch, to ONE very specific reason: They never could de-bug the end game raids, specifically the final boss fight, even after MONTHS of non-trying. We were so mad they never patched that fight. It was a slap in the face.

@arkainin4638

7 ай бұрын

I think the real reason it struggled, not died, since it's not dead even now, but struggled, is by the simple fact that you even cared about the raids. Like half of us did not give a single F about the raids. They were wastes of time in our story-centric game. We wanted more story, not a raid. Whereas the other half wanted a more traditional MMO end-game. No one was happy.

@Tijuanabill

7 ай бұрын

@@arkainin4638 I don't think people would have felt that way though, if the raids were good. Other games have less story and good raids, and people still play those.

hey at 9:22 WHAT is that footage? where is that from???

You say the game not being able to focus on either being RPG or MMO was a mistake, but at the same time, this led to the game being supported and getting ajor story-focused updates even 10 years after release. Its a very unique situation, in amount of content this game is bigger than Kotor 1 and 2 and bigger than Kotor 3 could ever hope to be, and it keeps growing. Mistakes have been made along the way, maybe even still being made, quality between stories varies greatly. But at the same time, this is the last supported piece of Star Wars EU content remaining, and it would have never gotten this far if it wasn't an MMO. No other game will give you the same experience. And I would say going F2P was one of the best decisions the game has made, it brought a lot new players and the game actually started making money again and made quite a lot according to the official reports by EA. And an MMO being able to make money just on cosmetics and remaining subscriptions is a very good thing for said MMO (because if its not making money, it gets closed). It could've been much worse - could've easily gone pay-to-win, knowing EA. Also, the old bugs did get fixed. There was a period where the game functioned quite well. Then they added many new bugs with 4.0 and onward because the dev team changed so much they had no idea how the old systems were made and kept breaking them, sometimes permanently. And you know, while I do miss the old difficulty, and I think some decisions in that regard were not implemented perfectly, most of the quality of life changes were kind of necessary. Companion roles - in the old times content was difficult enough so that some classes could only survive with healer companion on higher levels, especially if you played casually and didnt have the best gear. This basically forced you to play with the same companion all the time, which negatively affected the story and experience. Now you can pick whichever companion you want for the story and play in whichever style you want. I wish they kept some individuality of companion combat abilities but what can you do. Flashpoints having solo mode - no group plays flashpoints for the story. If you play flashpoint in a group, 99% of the time people will tell you to skip all the cinematics, and if you don't skip them they will kick you. Separation of story and group content was a very good thing. Faster leveling allows you to focus on the content you want instead of having to grind every single fetch quest on every single character - considering how this game actively encourages running alts to see all the different stories, this was a good change, though with somewhat clunky execution. The game's future is very uncertain right now, but whatever happens, I'm glad this game existed and I'm glad I got to experience this journey all the way through.

I remember when SWTOR went live. It was a beautiful game, but I still had issues with the mechanics and how railroaded I felt going through the maps. Before I played TOR, I played SWG (Star Wars Galaxies) which is a very different game from TOR. For one, SWG was a sand park video game meaning they gave you an entire galaxy and told you to do whatever you wanted. When the NGE launched, it simplified things, but it was still more open-ended than TOR. You could choose to be a neutral spacer making his way through the galaxy, a freedom fighter in the rebel alliance, or a member of the galaxy-spanning Galactic Empire. The classes felt iconic and each one had mechanics and missions that were very thematic and immersive into the star wars universe. Granted there were also a lot of bugs with the game, but it was a game built actual gamers and many of which were star wars fans. There even was a member of the team that just did random events and roleplayed as NPCs (even iconic ones) through the game. Sometimes he'd even interact with impressive guilds and their cities as Leia, Han Solo, or Darth Vader and more. The game as a whole felt very much alive and like I could travel beyond the beaten road and experience something amazing. There were plenty of easter eggs and little nods to the movies and novels too. like finding debris of the death star on Yavin 4. Also I have never seen a star wars space simulator come close to SWG's space mechanics and how vast it was. They put you inside a ship that you could customize and build (though paint textures were lacking from Imperial ships which made sense and I loved 'em for it) and let you cruise through the galaxy, jumping to lightspeed and everything else. SOE did a pretty darn good job with it and lived up to their claim. Experience the greatest star wars saga ever told. Yours. But sadly Lucas Arts didn't want a competing star wars MMO, so the day before TOR went live, SWG was shut down. Can't say it put TOR in a favorable light for me, but I still tried my best to make the most of it. Sadly compared to the choices and mechanics of SWG, it was lacking sadly. But both games are good in their own right. It's just a matter of choice/taste, I suppose. I love RPG's that let you build and flesh out a character. No focus on good or evil, just you the character and whether you want to be good, evil or even more rare...completely neutral!! Seriously I hate that TOR's factions are so divided and isolated with no choice for simply being neutral. But I won't beat a dead horse. SWG was far from perfect too after all. Also I gotta say the music was top notch and hearing a TIE fighter screech overhead sold me from day 1. Though I did go back to TOR years later and was able to enjoy it for what it was. I loved the class storylines and playing as a trooper on the republic side and being a sith warrior on the Empire. Though I gotta say that the Imperial Agent and bounty hunter stories are my favorite. I loved Kotor and revisiting many of the planets and seeing what's become of the towns and cities felt good. I loved exploring the Tatooine and Hoth maps for how expansive they were, but was rather disappointed that there really wasn't much to them aside from NPCs. I also hate how much of the game is blocked behind isntance barriers with no option to pass through an uninstanced version. Still Tatooine and Hoth are massive maps and reminded me a little of the maps from SWG if only a little. I will say that TOR is a wonderful RPG in its own right, just not a MMORPG. The stories are cool, I just wish they did more and delved more into the nuance of the little details like being able to travel off the beaten path and maybe even swim. It was always a dream to visit Coruscant in a game (aside from Bounty Hunter) and I enjoyed the city. I just wish there was more of it. But that can be said about all the maps. I love game worlds that feel lived in, like i'm part of something alive. It can be difficult I understand, but I was spoiled. Edit: Also SWG had non human races like Wookiees, Ithorians, Trandoshan, Mon Calamari, Bothans, Rodians and Sullustans

@arkainin4638

7 ай бұрын

Look, I lived and breathed SWG as a kid. I mastered every single profession, including Jedi, twice, both pre and post-village, and even created a lot of automated mods for doctor bots and missions grinding, ect. I lived in that game. It was aging, hard. The NGE killed it for me, but let's be honest, the game is a relic. It did not age well. Just to check out SWGEMU if you think otherwise. It's hard to play that game now with the context of modern gaming in mind. I legit still enjoy SWTOR to this day, but I'll admit that I usually only come back every year for a month or two before ditching. The worlds in general, even on release, felt oddly stagnant. Breathtaking, but not really alive. IMO: The only real mistake SWTOR did was in costing too much. They spent more than most movies did back then on the game, way more than most MMO's, and then ended up in a situation where players got hooked for the thrilling and personal story to end up at endgame with non-personal filler content. The first three chapters felt like a hero's rise story. It was your origin to power. We all expected the next chapters then to pick up with us moving forward with that, using our position and power for grand war and epic tales. We did not get that. They tried to bring that back with Knights but they did it by chucking out most of the established characters, with some massive plot changes, and then kind of making the entire story be about someone else's family drama while we just kind of muddle along. In essence, they had a masterful story that we fell in love with on launch. The initial dev team stepped up. Then they left, and the B team could not keep it up.

Im still gonna play it because i love it. The games fun to play.

MMOs have always been a niche genre. The mainstream phenomenon of WoW 2005-2012 was an exception. Nonetheless everyone compares every MMOs success to WoW at its peak including WoW itself. The expectations of the MMO community, developers, and publishers have been over inflated in the last 15 years. Chasing the prodigious ascendancy of WoW has only led to unfocused and overly extended development with the attempt at appealing to this essentially mythical target audience. The constant anticipation of players in the millions signing up for ever new MMO that comes out only leads to continued disappointment, compromised designs, and impressions of another failed and dead game.

Aways refused to touch this game. They killed my beloved SWG, after promising not to touch it, to make room for this game to come out. It left a hole in my gaming life that could never be refilled

@arkainin4638

7 ай бұрын

NGE killed SWG. And it was dated even back in 2009. If you miss it so much, load up SWGEMU and see how bad it's aged.

yeah the fact that it felt to much like a single player game was my main gripe about it for the year i played.

No one can count how many "death of swtor" videos are there in youtube alone over the years and still this game is still existing. Let's wait next year when another group of youtubers make another set of these videos and swtor is still standing. Then come next next year, another youtuber will come up with the same "tragedy" video.

The one thing they did that I didn't appreciate was make your level mean nothing. You work your ass off to lvl your characters, but when you travel to a lower lvl planet you drop to that planets lvl. That sucked especially for sith who pride them selves on gaining power.

I learned English through this game, it was the first MMO that I really played and loved, it's really sad to see how it is now.

@xelestial_sky

8 ай бұрын

That's pretty amazing, kudos to you.

I have been in love with this game for years and tbh i haven't had any complaints. I made a friend of mine who hasn't played any sw games before (other than bf2) play it and he instantly loved everything about it. I really can't see this mmo dying, it might have less players than what it used to but it's far from dying.

@peterallan7875

8 ай бұрын

I agree. I am a founder, and still play, It has great storytelling and as I play it single rpg style I find lots to do and places to go. I do think starting classes stories need to be revamped but that is a minor thing. I hope it keeps going strong.

@ErraticFaith

4 ай бұрын

It will be shutting down at the end of the year or sometime into the next. There's no longer the resources or interest in supporting it unfortunately. Don't blame the devs though, they tried.

If bugs kill games then Todd Howard would be living on skid row and we wouldn't have the 18th edition of Skyrim releasing in 7 months. The biggest foe of swtor is perception. Videos with this title have been posted since the first month of release regardless of player count. Also, I've never heard anyone say that kotor 3 should have been made instead. (Maybe because those people never played swtor /shrug)

@cracmar03

2 ай бұрын

Well ... bugs in Bethesda games are usually funny. But that is price of their games, they are far too complex so they bug out in most absurd ways. However bugs in game made by BioWare ? BioWare doesn't make complex gameplay. Most of their games are pretty much samey gameplay wise, they will cut corners on gameplay. So bugs in BioWare games, like say the Inquisitor shoulders freaking out during cutscene might be funny .. but most of the time they are annoying and immersion breaking.

Look into how things went with the devs and programmers wanting a specific devkit. The finance people made them make do with a devkit that cost just a couple thousand less. Especially considering the budget of this game, it's utterly insane that they decided to save a couple thousand on the effing devkit.

What the owners of SWTOR need to do at some point is finally finish and wrap up the game's story, program a reworked single-player RPG version of the game, including the expansions or having them just be additional add-ons that could be bought separately, and call it a day. The game's base of support won't last forever and in its current state with a reduced budget, they're still in the middle of a storyline that's been very slowly progressing since 2016 when the Onslaught expansion was released. We need a single-player version of this game that players can come back to years down the line like with the KOTOR games and we want to see **something** like a completed and resolved story to the full 'Old Republic' arc before there's enough of a loss of interest that the game is finally dead and we're left without a conclusion to the story.

@arkainin4638

7 ай бұрын

Dude, the game is one of Bioware's biggest earners. The game has pulled in over a billion dollars of rev. Personally, I'd fangasim if they took the original stories and made them into games. Each one could be it's own game with how different that class stories were. But that's not happening, and SWTOR is not going anywhere anytime soon.

I just wished the game had a global chat because the planetary chats are so dead. I want to play the game simply because it is basically a Star Wars rpg game but I also like having the social aspects of an mmo while I’m doing more of the grindy stuff.

It's not dead or dying. It's been out there for many years. It has a huge loyal player base. It's still getting updates and many people still play it. It's even still attracting new players. It doesn't have the numbers it had ten years ago but that's the same thing all games.

You have to make more videos like this. 10/10!!!!!

Ultimately it was EA not being happy that this game wasn't the WoW Killer that ended up spelling its doom. What started as the most expensive game ever developed became the red headed step child of Bioware/EA that was provided a 5 dollars a month allowance. Add on to the fact that Bioware seems unable to make a good game after this and it only gets worse.

Yeah this game is not dead and probably one of the best mmos that are out I have basically played every mmo and I stop playing all of them to play this one solely

@ragnnohab

8 ай бұрын

What sort of copium are you inhaling?

If and when swtor dies for good, I hope they remake it into a single player experience so people can still play through the stories. I doubt they'd care enough to do that, but it would be nice.

SWTOR was awesome. Gamers that need games to be the one and only game for me is the problem for gaming. It was worth the money to get all the great Star Wars stories per class.

As a former SWG i had high expectations for the game,even bought the collectors edition. I played less than a year,uninstalled it and never thought about it again. Give us SWG 2.0,same game (pre cu and NGE),same mechanics,combat,proffs,crafting,housing etc etc basically EVERYTHING but with graphics from 2023.

Been playing this game since 2013. Co Run the third largest guild on SS and still love this game.

@BoomWop

8 ай бұрын

Hiya 🎉🎉

@katie734

8 ай бұрын

Your guild leader hates you. I heard it

@BoomWop

8 ай бұрын

The crazy guild leader that won't let people eat? #freedomforzel

@zelha5528

8 ай бұрын

#feedblue she needs to eat.

Such a sad story. I started playing SWTOR a couple months before it went F2P and stopped once the first eternal empire (or whatever it's called) expansion. Making the open world easier was a mistake, making Flashpoints solo-able was a mistake and completely ignoring raids/high-end group content was a mistake. All just my opinion of course. My favourite period of playing was definitely around the Revan expansion.

"Player choices dramatically changed the story" in KotfE? What?

I maintain to this day that SWTOR would've been absolutely *phenomenal* as a single player game, and built as such. Could you imagine what it would've been like if we had all the SWTOR stories for 4 Republic and 4 Imperial heroes in a single player RPG? A game that was a single player RPG and built as such would've been incredible. However, instead what we got was an MMO, and the result was the MMO conventions that plague that style of game were all over the place. 20 bear asses quests are rampant, time sinks designed to make you take months instead of mere days to beat the content, slow prodding travel designed to slow you down further, repetitive missions, missions requiring multiple people to complete, etc. It's these things that keep SWTOR from reaching it's full potential. That and (unpopular opinion ahead) NOT making SWTOR into an action RPG.

From the weekend open beta before launch all the way to through Shadow of Revan this MMO gave me the happiest days of my life.

PFFT! I have been playing since 2012 and have never stopped playing. I play through the heart ache, and I won't quit anytime soon.

I still don't understand why they never added a new class in the entire 10+ years the game came out.

i still sub and havent cut it off since 2012. I love SWTOR. I hope we get new content at this new studio.

@ragnnohab

8 ай бұрын

lol lmao even

honestly a while back i fell deep into it and got sucked back into the world and the community was still amazing compared to other niche/mmos aswell as consistent and all over the place making it still a very social game even the low level population was better and more full than i expected and the patch/intro to next expansion sort of thing that aws coming around ended up being pretty cool to expanding into the madalorian side of the world which most star wars people are crazy for

But the game succeeded for like 12 years, I loved it, no tragedy there, which is what i’ll say now before watching cause thirty minutes long

People been saying its dying for a decade.

The Super Death Star destroys a MMO in one shot.

The game deserves to be remastered with improved graphics and a better engine.

@MSinistrari

9 ай бұрын

Definitely a better engine, but from my understanding they've got the problem of the engine they're using isn't the full version and most of the devs that worked and tweaked it are no longer there so it's essentially held together by spit and duct tape. They can't fix old bugs because it might break something else. I remember one bug fix ended up breaking the auction house.

@liamwilson7549

9 ай бұрын

@@MSinistrari I did not know it was that bad. Honestly just adds weight to the argument of remaking the game entirely (SWTOR 2)

@MSinistrari

9 ай бұрын

@@liamwilson7549 Only issues I see with a SWTOR 2 would be how much can they salvage from the current game and how would they handle possible character transfers. To use my account as an example, there's a lot of stuff I've earned/bought over the years that I'd be a bit miffed if it was all completely gone.

@liamwilson7549

9 ай бұрын

@@MSinistrari I honestly think that they could take a page out of ff14 and do some massive event with an unknown villain who uses the force in a way that wipes the player characters memory.

problem nr 1: the hero engine. nr 2: they hyped it too much nr 3: shutting down SWG.

This was my world of warcraft back in 2012. I had never played any mmo before it, and while my weekly raiding times are behind me, I can't seem to find another mmo to call home. These last few years have been really sad as I have had to watch as Bioware just slowly kills this game. To put the blame solely or even a majority of it on EA, would be scapegoating just because "EA bad". Now the game is going to Broadsword which has two mmos under their belt, both of which are in life support mode. I would like to have hope, but there is none to be had here.

Clickbaiting not more. Thought this channel Would not have needed it..sigh

@saphrix4587

9 ай бұрын

Can someone translate this comment to English? Lol

@Loama

8 ай бұрын

@@saphrix4587He wishes this channel didn’t clickbait. He thought Nixxiom wouldn’t have needed it

What went wrong with this game is Fallen Empire 4.0.

I was a huge WOW player but played it more like single player and role played. As an anti social gamer with limited time l want a game with an engaging and immersive story that l can play at my own pace. In WOW it was great until l hit max level and every quest line ended in a raid. I would sigh and roll a new character, leaving most of the work l did unfinished. I used to pray that WOW would allow me to solo dungeons and that what l did actually made a difference. Then came SWTOR with different classes and choices. I played several classes twice as both Dark and Light. With a few l played neutral as well! I played different subclasses and was elated when we were allowed to switch classes abilities at a click of a mouse! Best of all l could solo play the flashpoints and actually finish the story line. I loved interacting with the characters in game and that my choices affected the plot. I loved the Eternal Empire expansion and that in continued and did every class and leveled up 4 different characters. I didn’t raid, l didn’t craft.. I just played and enjoyed. I finally had the game l wanted and being a huge Star Wars fan was icing on the cake. But then Legacy of the Sith’s story seems to have gotten bogged down in a boring plot about Mandalorians rather than Sith V Jedi. It was the skimpiest of storylines so far and l literally flew through it and am stuck waiting and wondering…And thinking of going back to Warcraft. I hope something or someone saves this game but it seems to be following the path of Disney Star Wars and crashing and burning. Sad.😮

just started playing the game! Honestly, kinda feels like the game won't die but most likely wont be getting bigger than maybe at max 25k-30k people on at once... usually seen pop (steam only, didnt know that most players use the official launcher) was 3k-12k. Story mode was amazing and the end game content and cosmetics are all just so cool. Glad i found this game but wish i found it a lot sooner!