HEADS UP, I’m making the Top 10 Scorers in NBA history, BUT that will be the brand new content in The Ultimate Top 10 Video: Part 2, which will be published the day after tomorrow. As usual, there will be timestamps in the pinned comment, so you’ll know exactly where to go to find the Top 10 Scorers. Who are your Top Rebounders??

@11DowningStreet

2 ай бұрын

rodman for me. as you said he grabbed a higher percentage of rebounds than wilt despite being half a foot shorter and 50 pounds lighter, led the NBA in total rebounding percentage 8 times and offensive/defensive rebounding percentage 7 times and has the highest career rebounding percentage behind Drummond. he has 6 of the top 12 single season rebounding percentage seasons in NBA history. he also has the most 15, 20, 25 and 30 rebound games in modern NBA history

@stefsmurf

2 ай бұрын

Not Rodman. I'd have him reluctantly at 5 (only because his numbers are going to cause confusion if he's off the list), with a lengthy discussion about how skewed his playstyle was. Even Russell tried to score every once in a while. Rodman's complete disregard of offense is just as bothersome as offensive players not worrying about defense. Focusing completely on one side of the ball is just too unbalanced. Even Andre Drummond is giving you 10 points a game, with the 12-15 rebounds he pulls in. And it's not like a Ben Wallace situation where he CAN'T score because of lack of offensive skills. Rodman just didn't want to.

@dougdickason

2 ай бұрын

Maybe for the 5th spot i could see someone like Kareem or Elvis Hayes being there instead of Dwight, but i cant say they deserve it more than Dwight.

@smoceany9478

2 ай бұрын

@@stefsmurf its not best players who happen to be good at rebounding, its best rebounders, irregardless of rodmans offense, he clearly grabbed a lot of rebounds

@stefsmurf

2 ай бұрын

@@smoceany9478 And I posit it's easier to do one thing well than 2 things well. Everyone I mentioned did do around 13-15 rebounds a game for part of their careers, on top of being decently gifted offensively. Hell, Jerry Lucas averaged a 15.0 rpg, which is higher than Rodman, on top of scoring 17 a game. Even accounting for the crazy 60s, that's still about 14 ppg and 10-11rpg. Just 2-3 less than Rodman's average. Is Rodman a good rebounder? Yes. Is he 2nd best ever? No. Top 10? Maybe, but I personally wouldn't have him in my top 5 as he's so one dimensional he's skewing almost as much as the 60s did.

Man Rodman rebounding numbers is insane when u prorate it still at his size because hes at best 6'7

@danielc3321

2 ай бұрын

I have to agree with you there. Everyone else on the list (and almost anyone in the conversation at all) is at least 6'10". For me, he's got to be #1.

@oldeskoolnewsreels9927

2 ай бұрын

@@danielc3321But he's not. That's a ridiculous take. You can say he's the beast "small" rebounder but it doesn't make him the best. There's no way in hell Rodman out rebounds Wilt head to head. That's just laughable.

@samcttcn

2 ай бұрын

@@oldeskoolnewsreels9927the list is GREATEST though… obviously 1 on 1 Wilt is easily better, but Rodman gotta be #1 greatest rebounder

@TheIcemanthomas

2 ай бұрын

@@oldeskoolnewsreels9927 u don’t know that at all. Just saying something doesn’t make it true. If he can rebound with shaq, Duncan, Robinson, eaton, Moses, Barkely, Malone, and the vast majority of the best rebounders ever, is sure he can with wilt as well. U do realize there were less athletic bigs in the game in wilts era that also got a lot of boards while playing wilt right? He didn’t just dominate the boards by himself all the time. He had off games as well. Guys like Unseld, Kareem, Hayes, jerry Lucas, baylor, Oscar, Thurmond, and others got a ton of boards playing wilt. He just got more. lol.

@oldeskoolnewsreels9927

2 ай бұрын

@@samcttcnRodman only led the post season in rpg twice. Wilt 8 times. Wilt has a higher TRB% playing 47.3 mpg to Rodman's 30 mpg in the playoffs. Wilt played against Russel, Thurmond and Kareem 13 out of 29 series. Almost half against the best rebounders ever, not to name all the others. It's just the usual "90's guys" making stuff up again. lol

Charles deserves an extra special honorable mention being 6'4 and playing PF, rebounding against much bigger players

@Max-me9ol

2 ай бұрын

he walked so lofton could run.

@eyvithorgeirsson6028

2 ай бұрын

He was called the “round mound of rebound” for a reason

@xwiay3067

2 ай бұрын

@@Max-me9olwelp didn’t age well

@fgew902

2 ай бұрын

6’6

I agree on Dwight. I feel like that part of his game somehow gets underated.. He was the most consistent board man I’ve seen in the last 20 years besides drummond. Had he played for longer, I think he would’ve been one of he few players to hit 20k pts 15k rebounds and 2k blks

@Bigedub101

2 ай бұрын

Facts plus he was one of the few Big men lately that DEFENDED THE BASKET wasn't scared to get dunked on

@mentalmadness2192

2 ай бұрын

there were once short NBA teaching videos, in which different players showed some basic fundamentals. ray allen for example was chosen for shooting. dwight for rebounding.

@fortynights1513

2 ай бұрын

Well they nicknamed him the daily double, and given his position in the context of his era, rebounds would be one of them.

@chrilpy

2 ай бұрын

Difference between Dwight and Drummond is Dwight was a winning player and an elite defender. A lot of Drummond’s defensive rebounds came from leaving his man open to shoot and a lot of his offensive rebounds came from his own shots because he didn’t have great touch around the rim

@TheIcemanthomas

2 ай бұрын

@@chrilpy true.

Ben Wallace should've been mentioned too.

@Kiernanglynn20

2 ай бұрын

Wild he wasn’t honorable mention

Rodman is 1 for me. Mix his size, not freakish athleticism, and era. And it comes down to pure knowledge and effort. Theres 0 reason he should of been that good of a rebounder... but he WAS even at all the disadvantages. Like you said, he would of averaged 30 in the 60s

@channonlucas-desmond

2 ай бұрын

Also, the same can be said for Chuck too. Thats why I'd have him in the top 5

@universalplayz7496

2 ай бұрын

But his percentage assumed Rodman played 48 minutes a game Which he doesn't So even with a % adjustment he'd have averaged less than wilts career High when accounting his less minutes So he doesn't have a chance at every rebound in a game. And also Rodman in his dreams would be grabbing a rebound over wilt Wilt is literally a brick wall to move and reaches like 1.5 feet higher than Rodman there's really not much his gonna be doing here especially with an extremely packed paint making his chance at a rebound less

@andresdelportillo9917

2 ай бұрын

He had freakish athleticism tho……Chuck Daly constantly brought it up in interviews in the late 80’s

@JohnnyRodgers3

2 ай бұрын

Rodman is on the same level as Wes unseld, Charles Barkley and his Johnson

@danschneider7531

2 ай бұрын

@@universalplayz7496 Yeah, this is the major problem w prorating stats. A guy who plays just 16 mins a game might have better prorated numbers than a guy who plays 36 a game, but actually having the stamina to go 36 might see a sharp decline in the prorated #s. My top 5? 5- Kareem or Artis, 4- Rodman, 3- Russell, 2- Moses, 1- WILT! Rodman could not have come close to Wilt nor Russ and in the 60s he'd have fouled out of many more games. The 60-s was the roughest era in basketball, and Rodman's ball handling skills were terrible, so he likely would not have played as much as he did 25 years later.

It's crazy to think that for a couple of seasons, Moses & Barkley were on the same team. It's a wonder that their opponents got any rebounds at all.

Can't argue with Wilt being on top of the rebounding mountain but Dennis gives him a run for his money. Glad to see Dwight getting his props. he really was a monster off the boards. And Moses Malone bit by bit is getting his due recognition in this generation. When your offensive rebounds is as much as your defensive rebounds, you are on a different level. Great content! as a rebounder myself, these legends on your list and honorable mentions are my heroes.

@squanchy2925

2 ай бұрын

It's easy to argue Rodman should be on top. Wilt only get's the boost because of his ridiculous numbers which wouldn't exist if he played in another era.

@oldeskoolnewsreels9927

2 ай бұрын

@@squanchy2925Wilt and Bill both had over 24 RPG in the playoffs. Third place is Wes Unseld with 14.9 RPG. That's almost a 10 rebound difference. Also, Wilt led the post season in RPG 8 times to Rodman's 2 and has a higher career TRB% in the playoffs than Dennis. These are facts, not "feels". You "90's guys" just like to make stuff up.

@UnconventionalReasoning

Ай бұрын

@@oldeskoolnewsreels9927 Some people like to play the "What if?" game against players in the 1960s without also doing it in their favor. Even if the average team got 70 rebounds/gm in the 1960s, somebody still had to go to go get them, and as you said, Wilt and Bill did it better than anyone.

For the entirety of Bill Russell and Wilt's careers, from the 1956-57 to the 1972-73 season, one of them led the league in rebounds except for Wilt's injury shortened 1969-70 season. Even in an era of inflated rebound totals, it still came down to the two of them. I think Wilt has the top spot over Rodman because, especially in his first seven seasons, he was also leading the league in scoring every year, while being first or second in rebounds. Even with the faster pace and increased number of possessions, he was busy at the offensive end and then still getting back to the other end to grab rebounds.

@squanchy2925

2 ай бұрын

The offensive end should have absolutely no impact on ranking rebounding. Rodman should have been 1 but it's very close.

@UnconventionalReasoning

2 ай бұрын

@@squanchy2925 Wilt averaged 23 trb/gm, Dennis averaged 13 trb/gm. How do you put Rodman in the top spot?

@rogelioatempa1115

2 ай бұрын

​@@UnconventionalReasoning Because there was 2x as many rebounds when wilt and Bill played, maybe that's why?

@UnconventionalReasoning

2 ай бұрын

@@rogelioatempa1115 And there were still 48 minutes in a game. Even if the teams are getting fewer rebounds, each individual player still has to go get the ball. People also seem to ignore all the era-specific disadvantages the players had in the 1960s, while they dismiss their accomplishments because of the advantages. That unbalanced evaluation should stop.

Wilt chamberlain or Dennis Rodman

@Attobaba

2 ай бұрын

Moses up there too

@soramirez5473

2 ай бұрын

bill russel or Wilt.. both averaged over 20 a game for their careers

@c.delanepolo6530

2 ай бұрын

@@soramirez5473THAT IS TRUE.....D-ROD GREATEST POUND FOR POUND REBOUNDER.....

@soramirez5473

2 ай бұрын

@@c.delanepolo6530 i'll give him that. but statistically speaking its either Wilt or Russell. Tho when Rodman matched up with Oakley, Oakley out rebounded him.. but this isnt a 1 v1.. rodman grabbed more boards per game..

@eric02156

2 ай бұрын

Wilt Chamberlain , No comparison! Would you be more intimated attacking a 7-2+ , quick footed , 48" jumping ability, long reach and strong leverage individual (Wilt) vs. a shorter 6-9" sometimes crazy player ( Rodman/Worm) in a lesser big man era (90's ) ? Wilt won MVP in his rookie year.

REBOUNDING is one of MANY reasons I put the WORM in MY PERSONAL All-Time starting 5 alongside: AIR GOAT MAGIC BIRD DREAM

@fortynights1513

2 ай бұрын

Going for fit I see

@JustLikeHeaven77

2 ай бұрын

Great team

Always a solid list coming from Jonny. Gotta respect the guys that set the bars for the players today 💯

Somebody that is massively underrated in the rebounding department is Andre Drummond. He is 30 years old and its 34th all time in rebounds. As well he has not started that many games in the last couple of years, and his skill set unfortunately doesnt mesh well with todays NBA, but his rebounding should not be forgotten.

@TheIcemanthomas

2 ай бұрын

That’s because it wasn’t as impactful due to the way he rebounded. He was a guy that just got back a lot do his own misses and got a lot of garbage time boards. He even has been called out for missing on purpose sometimes to get the board. He was definitely a really Good rebounder tho.

I think Rodman would be #1, but his rebounding production decreased significantly in the playoffs (he only averaged 10 per game). While Russell and chamberlain’s went up.

I was gonna thumbs down this video if Bill & Wilt weren't mentioned, but since you kept it real...thumbs up !!!

@UnconventionalReasoning

Ай бұрын

Yes, Wilt and Bill could only be left out if one dismisses 1960s basketball entirely.

No Charles Barkley? I remember when he got 33 rebounds in a game against the Suns.

Always like your honest take... 👍

My gut answer for top rebounder was Rodman, but you made a great case for Wilt. After hearing your arguments, I could go either way myself for the best rebounder. Great video and great list. Have a great rest of the week, Jonny :)

A couple other honorable mentions id put are Kevin Love, and Shaq... In their prime they grabbed a ton of boards.. think love even had a 30-30 game before taking a smaller role on the Cavs.. and Barkley doing what he did at like 6'4 in the 80s and 90s is wild

@fortynights1513

2 ай бұрын

Shaq did make it to double digits, but I generally don’t hear anyone talking about his rebounding whenever he’s brought up.

@facelessandnameless

2 ай бұрын

@@fortynights1513which is a shame because Shaq had a game with 28 rebounds before.

@joel8692

2 ай бұрын

​@@fortynights1513 I think they don't mention Shaq when talking about rebounds because for his size you'd expect him to be much better of a rebounder

@TheIcemanthomas

2 ай бұрын

Shaq gets overlooked because he was lazy. There was no reason for him to never led then league in boards when we know he easily could’ve led every single season so he gets penalized for it. Same with defense. He is definitely a dominant rebounder when he wanted to be tho. Should get more love.

Ben Wallace!!!

@irjake

2 ай бұрын

Maybe he's in the honorable honorable mentions.

@staceymenheart8353

2 ай бұрын

honorable mention at best. played 18 seasons and only averaged double digits 7 times. his highest average was 15.4 followed by 13.2 and 13.

Before watching the video, I thought, "Wilt and Bill, Moses, Rodman... and someone else." Dwight Howard's as good a pick as any for the fifth spot, though I might personally have gone with Barkley, just because of how impressive I think it was that he was that good a rebounder at his height.

@Bigedub101

2 ай бұрын

I would say so but Dwight was a beast during a time when game was the slowest

I play basketball and I love getting rebounds and this list is on point bro

Glad you put Westbrook in the honorable mentions 👍 best rebounding guard ever

@Bilious303

2 ай бұрын

Best at rebounding free throws 😂

@fortynights1513

2 ай бұрын

Basketball Examined argued that at least in 2017, he got a ton of uncontested rebounds.

@johncraig4820

2 ай бұрын

Oscar was very good as well.

@T.H.E.O.R.Y.

2 ай бұрын

If you've seen Russ play, you know he needs no help mossing guys for boards. In his prime I would see him moss guys like David West, David Freaking West for boards *easily.*

@Bilious303

2 ай бұрын

@@T.H.E.O.R.Y. yeah maybe 6 or 7 were like that which is great. But those triple double numbers he was picking up the rest boxing out steven adams on free throws and garbage time.

Bill Russell was a game changer both on and off the court for the University of San Francisco and the Boston Celtics and his influence continues to inspire others in the battle for social justice. In his first NBA full season (1957-58), Russell became the first player in NBA history to average more than 20 rebounds per game for an entire season, a feat he accomplished ten times in his thirteen seasons.

Rebounding may be the single hardest major statistic to compare across eras. However, Wilt led the NBA 11 out of 14 years in rebounding. Including his last season when he was 36 years old and Kareem was 24.

@Bigedub101

2 ай бұрын

It really is and crazy Wilt still lead in boards against a young Kareem

No round mound of rebound is wilddd

If all 5 are crowded in the paint and a shot is jacked up, Wilt is getting that rebound over the other 4 if he is dead set on it so I agree with the list, however, I think I would replace Howard with Unseld! Overall, great list Jonny!

@TheIcemanthomas

2 ай бұрын

Unseld isn’t a better board man than Howard.

@yezzir8929

2 ай бұрын

@@TheIcemanthomas Maybe you're right but he is up there and so its Hayes

Hey Jonny! Still waiting on that "best two-way player" video. Hoping you do it by "each position" first, then the last video making your top list featuring ever position. Thanks for the video

@tuno1538

2 ай бұрын

Hakeem Olajuwon

You forgot to mention that Wilt led the league in rebounding 11 times which is more than anyone and he would have done it a 12th time if he didn't get injured in 1970! Still, informative video.

Dwight Howard was averaging 12.5 boards a game in 2017-2018 long after his athleticism and game time diminished. He averaged 12.7 boards in 2016-2017 in 29.7 minutes a game. When you consider his playing time during his peak rebounding years was 35-37 minutes a game, it is obvious that his rebounding never fell off until at least the 2018-2019 season I don't know why people don't call out lazy research like this. His rebounding wasn't just because he was athletic.

@TheIcemanthomas

2 ай бұрын

He had great timing and positioning as well as being insanely strong and athletic. And he did something that’s become a lost art in the game. He actually BOXED OUT. Hell he even averaged a double double as a TEENAGE ROOKIE. Dwight gets more and more disrespected as time went on. And for a long time he held damn near every rebounding age record from fastest player to reach to 1k-10k boards. And he was top 7 all time in rpg for a long time I believe. Plus that season people trashed in his first LA stint, he lead in rebounding on a partially torn labrum.

Barkley and Rodman were undersized masters of the boards but numbers don’t lie. Wilt is just insane on the glass.

I appreciate your logic for how you developed your list. I find it hard for anyone to refute.

If you have KG as an honorable mention where’s Tim Duncan at?😳🤔🤷🏽‍♂️

I remember in 96-97 having like 33🤯 in a game. Sir Charles one of the greats of the game🥳🥳🥳

Ben Wallace should at least be in the honorable mentions above Bird, Westbrook, Baylor and some others. He’s close to the top 5 overall actually

@c99kfm

2 ай бұрын

Big Ben out-rebounded Rodman in the playoffs, 11.2 to 9.9.

Thought I'd see Drummond on here

@ericwall6219

2 ай бұрын

As a Pistons fan, I'm SOOO glad he wasn't. Drummond was hot garbage and at least 5 of his rebounds per game were from his own missed bunnies

I have Moses Malone at 1. but hard to argue against Wilt.

Jerry Lucas should be on the list. To me he is top 3. He is 4th all time in rebounds despite two plus years as a reserve for the Knicks. With the Royals he averaged 19.1 RPG. 1960 Olympic coach Pete Newell said Lucas was the best player on the team, not Oscar Robertson or Jerry West. However, Lucas wanted to rebound more than score. Lucas turned it into an art studying how the ball bounced when it was shot and how to position himself. Without the size of Chamberlain or the athleticism of Russell, he held his own against the games greatest rebounders. Rodman is the only player in history to dedicate himself to rebounding like Lucas.

I don't think you can argue with your list. Maybe you could replace Dwight, but I like Dwight at 5. Perfect list

The funny thing about Dwight's rebounding rate is that the numbers went down primarily because his minutes were going down. His highest rebounding percentage season was his 2020-2021 season in Philadelphia, grabbing 26.7% of all available rebounds when he was on the floor. He "only" averaged 8.4 RPG that year, but he was also playing fewer than 18 minutes per game. There are limitations to rebounding percentage, but Dwight was always able to get those missed shots.

I think agree with the whole list thia time. It ks not the first time, but it is always surprising.

Never heard this take AND I’m not throwing shade on Rodman, he was a specimen, BUT what would numbers of Russel, Chamberlain and Malone, plus many others, maybe even next level rebounders like Bird or Barkley be, if they spent 100% of their energy on rebounding and playing D? I was a fan in the Rodman era and I can remember just throwing free throws up like it was beneath him. If Bill Russell behaved like Dennis Rodman, he would have many less championships and might’ve averaged 35 to 40 rebounds. I don’t personally think the Worm should ever be called best ever.

what if the IBM Award was truly given to the most statistically impactful to their team?

Are we doing to get the real Best Defender DPOY winners 2010's version? I would love to see that!!

man did you see the recent trend in tiktok: WE DONE WITH THE 90s , saying that this era was weak and had too many plumbers and that jordan had no left hand and only uses his right hand . Can you make a vid about it because its crazy.

@jonnyarnett

2 ай бұрын

So is it like a collection of videos, or is it just one video that went viral?? Ill need to find the source if I’m gonna respond to it

Wilt is amazing

I'm glad Rodman was so high. His sheer intelligence and will to grab the number of boards he did and doing so at only 6'7 is wild

Rodman, Chamberlain, Russell, and Moses Malone are clearly the Mount Rushmore of rebounding. You could a fair few ways at 5.

@S3verusMyG

2 ай бұрын

Moses Malone had like 30 offensive rebounds or something, absolute madness

My gods... I was really afraid you'd put the Mister Triple-double here

1) Wilt Chamberlain 2) Bill Russell 3)Moses Malone 4) Jerry Lucas 5) Nate Thurmond Everything you say about Rodman goes double for Lucas. In his first six seasons (63-64 through 68-69), Lucas, a 6'8" 230lb forward, averaged right at 19 rebounds per game and topped 20 twice. Unlike Rodman, he was also quite an offensive threat, averaging about 20 points per game over those same six seasons. In two seasons, he averaged 20 points and 20 rebounds per game- the only other players to have done that were Wilt Chamberlain and Nate Thurmond. Thurmond made your "Honorable Mention" team and I'm gratified that he did because he deserves it. Like Lucas, Thurmond topped 20 rpg twice and just missed it (19.7) one additional year. He was also one of the best defensive centers ever, with both Chamberlain and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar saying that he was the toughest defender they faced.

Charles, Russ, Rodman, Bill, Wilt, Dwight, and Drummond. Reggie Evans was awesome but everyone else mentioned were actually playable in big moments

So I watched this video already but I was gonna ask if you’ve heard people saying We done with the 80s-90s because today I’ve seen it all over TikTok and I think the goat debate might officially be over from how many opinions I’ve seen Change

@oldeskoolnewsreels9927

2 ай бұрын

Nobody's changed. It's the media doing it. Just like they shat on Wilt for the last 40 years. They gonna do the same thing to MJ that they did to Wilt. They gonna try anyway. Let's see how MIKE responds.

Players: - Dwight Howard - Moses Malone - Bill Russell - Dennis Rodman - Wilt Chamberlain - Honorable Mention 6:28

I'll just leave this here. Tim Duncan top 10 in seasons rebounding. Defensive rebound Pct- 17 seasons Defensive rebounds - 15 seasons Total rebound Pct - 14 seasons Rebounds per game - 13 seasons Total rebounds- 12 seasons The greatest defensive rebounder of all time and not even in the Honorable mentions.

Thank you for putting Chamberlain ahead of Rodman. Honestly, even if I consider Dwight Howard a legit candidate for the top 5, I think Sir Charles deserves the spot way more. I will add Tim Duncan in the honorable menti9ns, as well as Ben Wallace and Jerry Lucas. Among the PGs I think Jason Kidd deserves more credit than Westbrook.

@TheIcemanthomas

2 ай бұрын

Nah the rate that Dwight grabbed boards at for so long was utterly ridiculous. Even at his worst in his last few years off the bench he was a double double threat grabbing 8 a game.

@marcobattiston1702

2 ай бұрын

@@TheIcemanthomas no doubt about it. But if you think at Chuck's height and his rebounding average 'till his last season, despite his physical decline, I'm more fond of him than Dwight.

VIDEO SUGGESTION: I want to see you make a GOAT TEAMS but with like every attribute of basketball there is (team with your opinion, of the best iq,rebounding,shooting,passing...)

that would be my list as well. and i have the same reservation about whether rodman should actually be #1, due to both his size and the era he played in (slow pace, not nearly as many rebounds to be had). hard to argue against wilt as #1 though. Edit: i might actually think about replacing dwight with elvin hayes at #5. i don't think i would have kareem as an honorable mention,: with his size and agility, he should have rebounded much more than he did, especially after his first several years. contrasted with sir charles, who for his size and era was a monster.

Wilt and Bill are leagues beyond anyone

Remember that the top 2 spots in the all time rebounding list was accomplshed in more or less 13 years.

@TheIcemanthomas

2 ай бұрын

Well that’s also having to take into account that they got far more shot opportunities and played in the era where the jump shot was damn near brand new to the game so efficiency was terrible with the lack of spacing and no 3pt shot. So the amount of time it took is less important.

Barkley was a BEAST. At 6'6', he might be the best "short" rebounder ever...

Video idea: which Olympic/Fiba USA team was actually the best?

Let's gooo

The game where Wilt had 55 rebounds, there were a total of 149 rebounds in the game! And Wilt played 48 minutes. It's reasonable to think that Rodman or some others (Moses, Andre Drummond ...) would have grabbed more rebounds in this game - even in fewer minutes.

@jasonnelson6624

2 ай бұрын

Why would they have gotten more? There is a very good chance they could not even match the 55. Since they would have to go against Russell. But considering you think they could get more rebounds with less minutes you must think Wilt and Russell are not as good.

@mlmf2012

2 ай бұрын

Sure they maybe can grab more rebounds if they played all 48 minutes... but can they? Players today cant even average 40 minutes back to back, what more all 82 games in a season in the highest paced era to add? It was wilt's ungodly stamina that allowed him to play in peak form longer than anybody else. He averaged 48.5 minutes a game! Thats more minutes than regulation, and he did it for a whole season. More minutes means more time to rack up stats. Is there even any notable player today that can give us 40 minutes night in night out for a season without butchering his performance?

@jasonnelson6624

2 ай бұрын

@@mlmf2012 that was kinda my point. I doubt they could get as many even with the same minutes. But to get as many with fewer minutes and knowing Bill Russell was the playing. Wilts stamina and durability is overlooked too often.

@stizostedion1221

2 ай бұрын

@@jasonnelson6624 In rebound percentages, Rodman was better than Russell and Chamberlain - while playing fewer minutes. Example: When Rodman took his record number of rebounds (34) there were a total of 93 rebounds in the game. That's a much better percentage than Chamberlain. -Even if that day, Rodman still played 45 minutes (but it was an OT match) We are impressed by Wilt's rebounding stats because it was a time when there were more rebounds to be had - and what's more, he was playing more minutes. Wilt, Bill etc... were strong, but not as strong as you would imagine. The percentage of rebounds in a game is more meaningful for comparing an era than the total number of rebounds. I respect Wilt and Bill but if they played in the 90s they wouldn't have been the best rebounders.

@jasonnelson6624

2 ай бұрын

@@stizostedion1221 I understand your point. I'm not one who just looks at the total number of rebounds and is impressed because of how high the number was. I don't think one stat can tell a whole story. Especially with rebound % a stat that only counted Wilts last 2 or 3 years. Wilts era did have more chances for rebounds. His opponents did average 15+ per game but Wilt still out rebounded them all. For what 11 rebounding titles? But a 6'7 guy who for once couldn't out jump, or be more physical, and not as fast he would out rebound Wilt? The same guy who had problems against James Worthy? Dennis Rodman who had less rebounds in the playoffs. When Wilt did better in the playoffs the only thing he did improve in the playoffs. What Rodman did for his size was impressive. He had advantages he would be faster, better vertical, very strong for his size. He also had to resort to dirty tactics to get an advantage. Flopping, and trying to annoy the other defender hoping he would retaliate and foul him, and of course taking cheap shots. I don't see him out performing Wilt who is taller, faster, stronger, higher vertical, and more that likely better stamina. Plus Rodman would be thrown out he couldn't play his worm games. We will just have to agree to disagree.

Should make a list of best rebounding guards

@TheIcemanthomas

2 ай бұрын

Oscar kidd broadie, magic, lonzo, doncic, Simons if u consider him a guard, jordan, rondo, cp3 was actually a solid rebounder for his size, harden.

I think my man Dikembe Mutombo is easily in my top 10, maybe top 5. Ben Wallace was also beastly!

Ben Wallace and Hakeem Olajuwon both have 11.2 playoff rebounds to Rodman's 9.9, and in fact, they both outscore him in every major category in the playoffs. The Worm may have been better in the regular season, but Big Ben and The Dream stepped up in the crunch.

@TiredOfthisstuff

2 ай бұрын

Rodman was 6'7 tho.. and was not a center so his rebounds were much more important, plus the stat that matters are rebounds in his prime, and no one was better than the worm

@mrmacross

2 ай бұрын

You have to take into consideration that Rodman didn't really learn the art of rebounding until he was several years into the league. On top of that, he was a role player in his early seasons, playing less than half the game. So, when Detroit was making long playoff runs in 1987 and 1988, Rodman was putting up really small rebounding numbers, driving down his career playoff RPG numbers. When he proved he was a valuable player and earned more playoff minutes, his playoff rebounding numbers went way up, both in terms of RPG and rebound percentage. FWIW, Rodman has a higher career playoff rebounding percentage than either Big Ben or Hakeem, as well as a higher rebounds/36 minutes. BTW, Rodman tipped the scales of the 1996 Finals by having two separate games of grabbing a Finals record-tying 11 offensive rebounds, which is even more amazing when you consider how low scoring that series was and how few rebound opportunities there were compared to when Elvin Hayes grabbed 11 back in the 1979 Finals. A lot of people (myself included) think he should've gotten more Finals MVP consideration.

@oldeskoolnewsreels9927

Ай бұрын

@@mrmacross Rodman only led the playoffs in RPG twice. That doesn't make you the best rebounder ever. He's over rated by "90's guys".

@mrmacross

Ай бұрын

@@oldeskoolnewsreels9927 Playoff leaders in per-game stats is not quite the right way to look at it, either. For instance, Rodman averaged 16 RPG in 1993-1994 but didn't play enough games to qualify as the leader. Then you have 1998 where David Robinson led the playoffs in RPG but Rodman had nearly double the total rebounds and the higher rebounding rate, so most of us wouldn't say Robinson was the best rebounder in the playoffs that year. Also, Rodman only started about half his career playoff games. For various reasons (some of disciplinary), Rodman's playoff MPG are considerably down from his regular season minutes. That's true for his time in DET, SAS, and CHI. If you wanted to knock Rodman's rebounding, you could say that his rebounding percentage dropped a lot in the playoffs, but he still ranks third all time.

@oldeskoolnewsreels9927

Ай бұрын

@@mrmacrossI'm not knocking Rodman. He's no doubt a great rebounder. BUT, he's not better than Wilt or Russell. Wilt and Russell both had 24 plus RPG in the playoffs. Third place is 14.9 by Wes Unseld. That's just too, far apart to be a coincidence. And head to head, Wilt always out rebounded Bill. If Wilt could have three 30 RPG series against Bill, he'd have no trouble out rebounding Dennis.

Jonny they coming for Jordan and his left hand we need a vid on that asp

@jonnyarnett

2 ай бұрын

You’re not the first person I’ve heard say this. Do you have a link??

Can you talk about MJ’s no left hand? Please I’m just wondering if he does or he doesn’t, and I love your content so much, I just rarely comment since you probably don’t respond to us.

@jonnyarnett

2 ай бұрын

Nah I actually respond decently often, but obviously as the channel grows and there’s more interaction, it’ll become more difficult. I think I am gonna respond to this whole “we done with the 90s” and “MJ doesn’t have a left” crap 😂 I’m just trying to figure out where it all came from. I don’t have TikTok, so I’m just seeing comments about it. Was it all started by one persons video??

If you don’t utilize the eye test, then what about George Mikan and Dolph Schayes? I don’t know if you investigated them. The earliest players on your list are Nate Thurmond and Bob Pettit. Thank you for sharing.

Honorable mention Walt Bellamy

I have Rodman as the best of his generation and easily the best post-Wilt, but I feel Barkley deserves more love. As great as Rodman was, he never had the responsibility of being his team's leading scorer. Barkley had to expend a lot of energy as his team's leading scorer and as an undersized big man. I can only imagine what kind of numbers he could've put up if he was his team's 4th or 5th scoring option.

@joel8692

2 ай бұрын

Rodman didn't have to score for his team but he always had to defend the other teams center who most times was the opposing teams best player.

Just wanna help the video 🎉🎉🎉

I'm too late to the comment party for this to matter, but I'll make one anyway. I feel Barkley should be in the top 5. He was 6'5, maybe 6'6 on a day he stretched for an hour in the morning, and was always very dominant on the glass. Even when he had lost most of his explosiveness when he went to Houston, he was a threat to win the rebound title all year over Rodman. Even though he had to carry a heavier load than Rodman. He just flat out knew where that ball was going to go and wanted it more than the next guy.

Glad you didn't use Bistro Mathematics to make Rodman #1. When considering eras Bill Russell and Wilt massively out rebounded their era. Rodman is great but Barkley, Oakley Ewing, Shaq and Hakeem are in his ballpark. Moses would likely trail Bill and Wilt for offensive rebounds. The offensive rebound was Bill's best scoring strategy. (See Funneling)

Yooo Johnny don’t know if you’ve seen but there’s been a new trend on TikTok supposedly exposing the 80s and 90s era for being trash can you make a vid set the record straight???

I don't think Larry Bird should get an honorable mention. He was a good rebounder at around 10/game for his relatively short career, and considering all his other responsibilities on those Celtic teams he was definitely solid on the boards, but he's not anywhere near the top 5 _(unless you factor in his all time great outlet passing which made his boards more valuable than most, and if that's your angle then I think he's a reasonable inclusion)._ On the other hand, I really like the inclusions of Elgin Baylor, Russell Westbrook, and Oscar Robertson. They're the best rebounders at their positions _(SF, PG, and PG)_ in NBA history. Baylor in particular has some wild rebounding stats: 13.5 rpg for his career as a 6'5" small forward is crazy. Russ _(7.2)_ and Big O _(7.5)_ have similar rpg for their careers, and if that's the measure of greatness for a PG, you might also want to include Magic Johnson _(7.2)._ Obviously Magic is enormous for a PG and he played a little forward and _(famously)_ center, but he's right up there with Russ and Big O numerically and he played in a slower era _(though he _*_was_*_ on the fastest team in that slow era)._ It does seem a little odd to me that I'm advocating for including Magic but not Bird when Bird got more rebounds and they're about the same size, but Magic wasn't a board crasher, he was an outlet receiver. If they had reversed roles _(i.e., Bird was looking to receive outlets and run breaks and Magic was crashing the boards)_ Magic almost certainly would have averaged double digit rpg and Bird definitely wouldn't.

In my opinion Rodman is the greatest rebounder in nba history.Besides the inflated stats of the 60's, Rodman was one of the best rebounders in his era plus he won seven rebounding titles in a row plus he was a very smart players when it comes to crashing the glass and just being in a good position in the first place

@oldeskoolnewsreels9927

2 ай бұрын

Wilt and Bill both averaged over 24 rpg in the playoffs. Third place is Wes Unseld at 14.9 rpg. That's almost a 10 point difference. Wilt out rebounded Bill every series they ever played. Wilt's TRB% in the playoffs is higher than Rodman's while playing 47.3 mpg. Rodman only played 30 mpg. You do the math. AND just to add, Wilt played Russell 8 times, Kareem 2 times and Thurmond 3 times in the playoffs. Almost half his playoff games against the best rebounders ever in the game.

Marcin Gortat.

I think you have to include Drummon in the top 5. He holds the highest rebounds per 100 possessions all time. Im not saying that makes him the best but he should be up there because if u adjust his numbers to the pace that russell and wilt were playing in hed be averaging just as many rebounds per game as them

@oldeskoolnewsreels9927

2 ай бұрын

That's a fallacy using the per 100.

How often can you show the Offensive Rebounds In NBA History chart? Jonny: *yes*

@UnconventionalReasoning

Ай бұрын

We should call it the Offensive Rebounds since 1973-74 chart. Wilt and Bill probably were close to Moses's total.

Hoping to see Reggie Evans on here

I pencil it in as Wilt being the greatest rebounder ever ... Dennis as the most skilled and greatest for his size. And fwiw Moses is my number 3

You should make a separate video on rebounders by position.

I would have liked to see the exact video with people that are under 6'1"

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Today's fan won't know about russell, wilt and etc.

@TiredOfthisstuff

2 ай бұрын

Everybody knows about wilt and bill😭 one has the most rings ever and the other has like half of all total record what are you talking a about

@cyrex6519

2 ай бұрын

@@TiredOfthisstuff reffering to people like markjackson6431:)

Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, Moses Malone, Dennis Rodman and Nate Thurmond.

You could certainly do a top 10 rebounding for all positions, give the players like Westbrook, Kidd etc their dues

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My Top 5 are: #1 Bill Russell #2 Wilt Chamberlain #3 Dennis Rodman #4 Moses Malone #5 Tim Duncan Honorable mentions: Barkley, Karl Malone, Elvin Hayes, Willis Reed and Dave Cowens

@oldeskoolnewsreels9927

2 ай бұрын

Wilt out rebounded Bill in every series they played. He averaged 28 rpg in both the post season and RS against Bill. He had three 30 rpg series against Bill. He had a 30/30 and a 22/32/10/10 against Bill. Most of Wilt's rebounding records are AGAINST Bill. 55 rebounds in a game. 41 rebounds in a playoff game. Most rpg in a series. If Bill was the better rebounder, than head to head he should be better than Wilt. He is NOT.

@lilpenny1982

2 ай бұрын

@@oldeskoolnewsreels9927 You definitely have a case here and I probably agree with you. But I just feel that Bill had the more important rebounds rather than the most rebounds.

@oldeskoolnewsreels9927

2 ай бұрын

@@lilpenny1982How does that even make sense? Just a question of feels?

@lilpenny1982

2 ай бұрын

@@oldeskoolnewsreels9927 11 vs 2

If Kevin Love stayed with the Wolves, he would've been top 3

@fortynights1513

2 ай бұрын

Could the players around him shoot?

@TyTimeIsAwesome

2 ай бұрын

Lol no. I'm a big Wolves fan and I do think Klove is underrated, but even if he stayed he wouldn't even be top 10.

@jgray2718

2 ай бұрын

I don't think so. He was a really good rebounder, but he didn't dominate. He had 9, 11, 15, 14, 13, and 12 rpg in his Wolves years, which are great numbers, but nowhere near all-time top 5. The only year he led the league was when he had 15.2.

@jgray2718

2 ай бұрын

I don't think so. He was a really good rebounder, but he didn't dominate. He had 9, 11, 15, 14, 13, and 12 rpg in his Wolves years, which are great numbers, but nowhere near all-time top 5. The only year he led the league was when he had 15.2.

@jgray2718

2 ай бұрын

@@fortynights1513 Absolutely not, those Wolves teams were awful. Kevin Love was the only good part of them.

Wonder how Sabonis’ rebounding will go down in history when his career comes to a close

Garnett did have 4 straight rebound crowns along with being the all time leader in defensive rebounds

@jasonnelson6624

2 ай бұрын

What do you mean all time leader in defensive rebounds? He's not the leader in career rebounds, none of his league leading seasons is the most. Just trying to understand what's all time leading?

@kg21bestpf94

2 ай бұрын

@@jasonnelson6624 are you not aware there's offensive and defensive rebounds? KG is the all time leader in defensive rebounds not the all time total rebounds leader.

@jasonnelson6624

2 ай бұрын

@@kg21bestpf94 I know there is offensive and defensive. I asked because you said all time. So your only counting after 1973 which is fine I was just trying to understand your point.

@UnconventionalReasoning

Ай бұрын

@@kg21bestpf94 Unless you think half of Wilt and Russell's rebounds were offensive boards, one of them is the all time leader in defensive rebounds.

I liked very much the analysis between Rodman and Chamberilain, to me Rodman is the best rebounder: having a better rebound % is a fact the same way that having a better rebounds per game: the question is more what stat is the more accurate to assess who is a better rebounder. I And I believe that especially when comparing players who played in different era, the rebound% is more accurate (I'm not saying that having a better rebound% means automaticlay a player is a better rebounder)

@mrmacross

2 ай бұрын

Rebound percentage is a good metric, but it has some limitations. Andre Drummond currently has a higher career rebound percentage than Rodman, but no way am I going to give him the nod as the game's best rebounder when he only played 27 MPG for mostly losing teams. It punishes guys who play long minutes per game and stay on the court in crunch time despite running out of gas. In short, if you compare Wilt to Rodman, or Rodman to Drummond, no way do I want the extra minutes and fatigue one guy has to endure work against him in the best rebounder argument.

@oldeskoolnewsreels9927

2 ай бұрын

Wilt has a higher playoff TRB% than Rodman playing 47.3 mpg. Rodman only played 30 mpg. Do the math.

@mrmacross

2 ай бұрын

​@@oldeskoolnewsreels9927 Wilt does have a higher TRB%, but the stats themselves aren't straightforward. His TRB% is only calculated for his last three years. For Rodman, it includes his early Detroit seasons when he hadn't yet learned how to rebound effectively. If you excluded Rodman's first two playoff seasons, then he would have the higher TRB%. On the other hand, because Wilt's numbers only cover the last three years of his career, they completely miss his prime. So any way you cut it, playoff TRB% numbers for each guy doesn't really talk about their rebounding ability at their primes. That said, I agree with your overall sentiment that the combination of volume and rate favor Wilt. Plus I'm just guessing that if a shot came high off the rim and Rodman and Wilt were fighting for positioning, WIlt would win more often.

@oldeskoolnewsreels9927

2 ай бұрын

@@mrmacrossI know, but I hate explaining it. .Just like you need 400 games to qualify for career trb% and Wilt wasn't officially counted in 400 games. However, someone did a Top 10 of Finals trb% by series and Wilt has 3 of the Top 6. He has the best finals rpg average BUT using his trb% AND the mpg, no one would come close to out rebounding him in those finals game. Regardless of pace or era.

@UnconventionalReasoning

Ай бұрын

Rodman needed four seasons, until his age-29 season, to "learn how to rebound effectively". Wilt entered the league in his age-23 season and immediately lead the league in 11 of his 13 full seasons. Sure, there were fewer rebounds in the 90s. This also meant Rodman had to spend less energy to get rebounds. We seem to make excuses to dismiss the stats of the 1960s while ignoring any aspects of the game which made their lives more difficult. Wilt gets the top spot on my list.

I'd just have to give to Rodman. He was 6'7 getting to as high as 18.7 rebounds and has 7 consecutive rebounding titles. Wilt and the other guys were tall 7 footers doing what they did but Rodman was putting better numbers than them in a SLOWER league.

@jasonnelson6624

2 ай бұрын

Fyi only 2 were over 7 foot. Rodman was the smallest but he also had the advantage of playing in an era that allowed him to be physical. There was a reason why he was the worm and seen as using dirty tactics.

@oldeskoolnewsreels9927

2 ай бұрын

Wilt was the only one over 7 foot tall. Howard, Russell and Malone are all less than 6'10" tall barefoot.

@jasonnelson6624

2 ай бұрын

@@oldeskoolnewsreels9927 your right for some reason I thought Howard was 7 foot.

@oldeskoolnewsreels9927

2 ай бұрын

@@jasonnelson6624And if you really look at it. Kareem and Wilt are the only 7 foot super stars that ever played. Most guys listed as 7 foot aren't really. Shaq and Embiid come to mind. That's why people in the know are excited about Wemby. A true 7 footer who has agility. Doesn't happen very often.

@jasonnelson6624

2 ай бұрын

@@oldeskoolnewsreels9927 I had a list of players over 7 foot and superstars. But as I was thinking about it. I would have to agree because none of them were like Wilt or Kareem. In the sense both were already stars before college. It's become more common lately to know high schoolers and follow them due to the internet. But for Wilt and Kareem to be so well know in high school was unheard of. I'm sure you are familiar with Swede Halbrook with shows even then just being tall wasn't enough.

Dave Cowens, Wes Unseld, Jerry Lucas, Tim Duncan, Willis Reed, and Bill Walton all need to be on your honorable mentions. I'd have them all above Dwight Howard. Not that Dwight is unworthy at 5, but me, personally, everyone I listed except Wes I find to be a better player. (No slight to Wes, either, but he's a bit undersized at 6'7". Pushing it with Jerry Lucas as is at 6'8".)

@jasonnelson6624

2 ай бұрын

Everyone except Wes? Walton at his best was getting 14 rebounds. Wes average that for his career while being undersized as you mentioned. Walton sure does get a lot of credit for 4 years.

@stefsmurf

2 ай бұрын

@@jasonnelson6624 Plus the 3 he did in college. That's a long time of sustained excellence, and it wasn't like he fell off. He literally was out of the league for 2 years trying to heal, nearly did leave the league for good, had one good year left, and was 6th man of the year in 86. Walton has proven when not injured, he's a beast. And in head to head, Dwight vs Wes, yes, he's a bit undersized. Maybe he'd come out on top, maybe he wouldn't. All I'm saying is the other 5 I would bet huge sums of money of outdueling Dwight. Not sure I'd do the same for Wes.

@jasonnelson6624

2 ай бұрын

@@stefsmurf I get your point. But for example Wes also played 3 years also. Plus waltons best rebounding year he had just 1 more than wes's worst year. So on every level college and pros Wes was a better rebounder. I really do get your point but Walton is the only player I can think of who gets credit for his potential. He got injured and was never the same like so many others. He is a hall of famer based off 200 games and stats are not that good. Except his assist. Clearly thats just my opinion since he is in the hall of fame.

@jasonnelson6624

2 ай бұрын

@@stefsmurf I wasn't comparing any of them to Howard. Just because I personally wouldn't have had Howard that high.

In terms in the modern era, I mean since when officially counted the offensive and defensive rebounds in 1973-74 season, Dennis Rodman always the best rebounder ever. He’s very intelligent when he rebounded the ball and when I heard his interview in “The Last Dance” I really impressed on his secret. I love other great rebounders in the modern era such as Dwight Howard, Charles Barkley, Andre Drummond, and Moses Malone but Rodman always the best in the modern era but if you ask me about all-time, I’ll take Wilt Chamberlain over Dennis Rodman because Wilt was such a tremendous athlete I mean he’s a phenomenal player. When I looked his highlights especially when he faced Bill Russell it’s kind a look like he almost beating Russell everyday even though Russell has more championships than Chamberlain and Chamberlain always greater than Russell, in my humble opinion.

Barkley is definitely number 5. Shortest to ever lead the league. Even in Houston he got his career high with 33. Psshh

Kevin Love and Andre Drummond were rebounding monsters

@skolcole

2 ай бұрын

Was honestly funny watching Kevin Love on those attrocious Wolves teams. He was so much better than his next best teammate it was ridiculous.

@seanm2600

2 ай бұрын

@@skolcole preach

Could you go and give a perspective/history nba lesson to JxH?. You should be the most watched basketball youtubes Jonny. Thanks for doing it.

@elgrannido156

2 ай бұрын

KZreadr I meant.