I sincerely will never tire of these podcasts. Seth: But......but the value!!!! Richard: This card might shoot your opponent in the head, but it doesn't replace itself. I don't think it's very good. Crim: Nuanced and thoughtful takes as long as the card isn't green.

@gypsieking3280

Ай бұрын

No lies!

@gypsieking3280

Ай бұрын

You forgot the bingo card phrases of "Straight trash" and "Stone Unplayable", though

@JonReid01

Ай бұрын

Hey crim was pretty open to Grist and that's green lol

@WitherFang

Ай бұрын

Bloody brilliant summary of their personalities!

Listening to Seth is like taking an antidepressant then Richard always brings me back to reality 😂

@ironpalmmonk1199

Ай бұрын

That’s pretty apt lol. Thanks for the chuckle.

A card can cost 1 mana, be a 12/12 hexproof indestructible god demon dragon dinosaur with anihilator 100 and richard will say MAYBE it´s an ok card

@kylegonewild

Ай бұрын

Free edict takes care of that ;)

@Matt-io7dd

Ай бұрын

doesn't have haste

@mvdplas8145

Ай бұрын

Grumpy old Richard.

@camilovargas1722

Ай бұрын

Doesn’t come as a pre-game action lol

@mattm7798

Ай бұрын

Yeah, at this point, Richard's opinion on new cards means almost nothing to me. I think his mind is stuck in 2013 modern Jund

Crim cracking himself up saying "the sac is huge" 🤣55:34

@thesamuraiman

Ай бұрын

I'm disappointed Richard and Seth barely reacted 😂😂

Lord of Atlantis is a 2/2 Master of the Pearl Trident is a 2/2 Merfolk Trickster is a 2/2 Harbinger (both of Seas and Tides) are both 2/2s Tishana's Tidebinder is a 3/2 Rishadan Dockhand is a 1/2 Svyelun is a 3/4. Only Vodalian Hexcatcher and Tideshapers are 1/1s, but wait, if you kick the Tideshaper, then guess what--it's a 2/2. Some fish pilots are returning to Silvergill Adept, which is a 2/1, but most of us dropped that card a while ago. Richard, you're a smart guy, but what the hell are you talking about? Merfolk does not fear Bowmasters in the least.

I play merfolk and I definitely will try flare of denial. We are already sacrificing our fish to counter stuff, this one seems just more efficient and still usable late game without sacrificing anything so I can't really see any downsides. Not sure if it will replace FON entirely, but this is at least useful all the time and not only against certain decks. And I definitely don't agree that counterspells are trash in this meta tbh. Non creature counter perhaps, but overall counterspell will always have a place imo. Can't wait to try this and of course harbinger as well which seems completely busted

I love that Crim gave the crabomination shoutout at the end. That card is going to surprise people.

"This is Grist asking you if you would still love them as a worm?" Had to stop myself from laughing out loud at work.

I gotta hand it to Seth, the goat of ad copies. I almost always double tap through the ads but he actually got me this time

As someone who plays Affinity in Modern, I'm kinda mid on Ugin's Labyrinth. My concern with the card is how it's gonna impact the mana base. Yes, potentially, it can make two mana if you imprint the card. However, the deck typically wants to run x amount of artifact lands to help enable the Affinity part, and this isn't an artifact land. So yes, it potentially could help you power out a turn two Synthesizer, but also means you might have to wait a turn or two to power out your seven drops, which means you given your opponent a chance to deal with it before you get any value out of it. I might be wrong, but it just seems kinda clunky with Affinity, but I do think it's still a powerful card, and some decks will definitely take advantage of it.

Just a heads up- Ugin's binding doesn't work with prototype. prototype is weird and alters the card cmc and color, so the spell is both cheaper and not colorless

Sorin has some combos with Nourishing Shoal to gain 10+ life and shoot them dead on turn 2. Certainly something to keep in mind and brew, as the potential is huge.

The fact that Ajani, Nacatl Pariah didn't make the top 20 means the Goldfish crew doesn't appreciate...... Me going 2-3 or 1-4 at Modern Tourneys playing Cat tribal despite paying a large amount for a Good mana base.

I love the bickering and never tire of you guys. Feel free to break this into two podcasts for the commander one!

I think Psychic Frog could do something in Modern. We got pieces of the old Psycatog deck in MH2 like Wonder and Upheaval so maybe there's something there. If not maybe there's some sort of Dimir Scam deck it fits into.

33:00 man that joke made me spit my drink lmao

@thesamuraiman

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂

"Amped Rampter" my favorite part of the video

Nadu in an infect deck as a top end card draw engine might be good.

It's interesting what Seth said about this sets power level not being as raw as mh2😊. I find this set to be the most thought provoking sets ever, if not just powered by raw power cards. These cards are perfectly powerful, with all the magic the gathering we've come to expect from a game that's perfect.

How does vexing bauble shut off Leyline + scion in domain zoo ?

28:45 - Iam brewing with this... just imagine an Turn 2 Dauthi / Gifted Aetherborn, Turn 3 Necrodominance, draw X. Than Nykthos into Gray Merchant. Draw X (Maybe pitch some for March). Than some cheap creatures (let 1 Mana open), cast Undying Evil to Gray Merchant, sacc it into Phyrexian Tower, Devotion triggers again. Use the 2 Mana for Sorin. Postcombat Mainphase flip and -1. Done^^.

Do we need to play the full combo with nadu; isn't using this with shuko, stoneforge, and saga good?

You can use ugins binding with cookbook madeness, eldrazi.

Crim giggling like a kid: The Sac is huge!

For new Ulamog in reanimator you need some kind of exile flavor because it will just be a vanilla 7/7 with the ward if there isn't anything juicy in exile since you aren't getting the cast trigger

static prison is another good card a UW control list could use if it went the energy route.

If played correctly, you can sack your creatures to red flare in response to a removal spell. The only thing is that I think you need to add 2-4 more red creatures (which I chose two Grim Lavamanacers) so as to make red flare's free cast more possible (much like FoW in legacy). I like how opponents don't necessarily know how low they are until this happens. And THEN you have access to Barbarian Ring, just in case. I'm unsure of this last idea, but for tempo, playing the new UR burn spell with cantrip from Thunder Junction with this could be awesome. Cast UR burn spell in response to removal, red flare in response sacrificing the targeted (soon-to-be dead creature) and copy the UR burn spell with cantrip for 4 damage and replacing them with two more cards. IDK, probably silly, but still an idea. Also like a possible play with Arclight Phoenix? LOL

Nadu seems really good in any 4 color omnath deck tbh. It's just free landfall triggers or more draw; everything that deck already wants to do.

@TheEvolver311

Ай бұрын

As with any card that doesn't spawn its own deck "what is the cut" what am I cutting to run this

Lightning Helix is fine in Standard. It's the rest of Boros that is just up to fuck all, besides Convoke. Jeskai tends towards artifacts for the board and control for interaction. Mardu is not quite there, hard to align the distinct colors and the multi-color cards at the moment. Naya, on the other hand, has Annie Joins Up, which both solves the 'what do I do about things with more than 3 toughness?' problem AND makes all the durdly G/R/W legends go in to hyper drive. Helix gives a bit of breathing room for that deck.

Vexing bauble doesn't affect domain zoo, but yes very good against cascade. Also, affinity is being hyped a lot, it may be passable in that matchup.

@jasonkorf7700

Ай бұрын

No, It'll still be very good in the Affinity matchup.

Pretty cool buddy 😎 👌 👍

3 weeks into the future and seeing how many Phlage are registered for the PT, I think we can give Seth the win on this one.

I dunno anything about Modern format but I love the banter xD I was curious on Nadu specifically. It essentially reads as a 3/4 Flier with "give all your creatures Ward - your opponent draws a card, and if it's a land they put it on the battlefield". Is a +1 full-field Ward effect not good in Modern? I really have no context on the format and would love some input!

@samogburn2662

Ай бұрын

There've been cards in the past like Kira, Great Glass-Spinner that saw play. However in today's modern a purely defensive ward-granting creature is probably too slow at 3 mana. Nadu's combo potential makes it interesting though!

Does disruptor flute make the evoke elementals at least cost 3?

Phlage is ETB or ATTACKS i think the second part is overlooked and can work fantastically when it repeatedly gaurentees 3 damage or removes blockers. May not be a 4 of but jeskai control or boros burn its a big body that will end the game.

@adamhenwood1114

Ай бұрын

They are aware it has an attack trigger it’s literally the same as Uro and Kroxa. But the problem is if you have to escape it which is not trivial in decks like burn

The only thing stopping tower from utterly shattering the entire format is the fact that unless you are planning to use it as a ritual you cannot really play more than 1-2. On the other hand, it still might crack the format open.

Vexing Bauble hard counters: Discover, Cascade, and Free-from-hand spells, etc which kind of decimate a number of existing and possible decks. Worst case scenario it's 2 mana draw a card, best scenario it's 1 mana your opponent answers it or loses. Not talked about enough brutal card in a fair few formats, but maybe people don't really play magic like that these days and it'll end up not really getting played which would be crazy to me considering ages ago this would have been trash cuz it wasnt that common to cast spells for free but today there's a lot of free spell BS this hard counters. (still might not be good enough though somehow? wild)

Crabomination displacer kitten is going to be so funny

Imagine if Vexing Bauble had a Leyline clause, where you could turn 0 it.

@3SidedCard

Ай бұрын

Then whose bauble would win if both had them?

@jerred9655

Ай бұрын

Should of made if discarded it is put into play

@brendans1983

Ай бұрын

@@3SidedCard Gemstone Cavern ability instead of Leyline 🤷‍♂️

@Shimatzu95

Ай бұрын

​@@brendans1983THIS is what i want from the next horizon set

How outrageous is disrupter flute against living and and other cascade strats 😂 probably not it but I think it’s funny to try

Rules question for the red flare from a Burn player: if you sacrifice Eidolon for the alternate cost, does it still trigger?

@domri4203

Ай бұрын

I'm not a judge but its a cost to cast so Eidolon shouldn't trigger. The spell to be copied could.

@TheEvolver311

Ай бұрын

No he will no longer be on the field to see the spell casted to trigger 601.2 a-g in the rules explains it

Necrodominance probably won't work well in Scam. It has a replacement effect that will exile your cards if they are put into a graveyard from anywhere.

Nadu looks pretty nuts if you have puresteel paladin or forge anew, doesn’t it?

I am surprised about the lack of Nethergoyf. Seems decpetively strong.

Consuming corruption for mono black devotion. I think the deck may have legs

Honestly Seth should make a new series around Phlage to show the world how good it is

Commenting got the algorithm: the sac is indeed huge

“The Sac is Huge” - Crim, 55:41

Dies to bewmaster is the new dies to doom blade

49:45 I know Richard is speaking facts cause he never moves more than 3 inches per video, so when he starts to move hands and change expresions i know crazy stuff is about to go down

Ulamog : we get a lang that help you remove a 7+ mana spell from your hand...

I could actually see sorin being a good card for a mardu burn styled deck, not a good deck by any means, but certainly a fun card.

I have mixed feelings about the helix Titan. I want to like it, but the home I imagine for it is Mardu, and in Mardu wouldn't you want Kroxa instead? 😅 I can't imagine boros using it to good effect because you need self mill. Otherwise how are you getting enough escape food. So the best home is either Mardu or Jeskai.

@zackestin1368

Ай бұрын

boros has aggressive fetch lands and the canopy vista lands, it can fill its graveyard enough to cast it for sure, not a ton, but once or twice is perfectly doable

@domri4203

Ай бұрын

@@zackestin1368 Not to mention Bolt Spike and other burn spells. The biggest problem is cmc. It needed to be 2 mana.

@kylegonewild

Ай бұрын

@@domri4203 They let my boy Kroxa be 2 mana but decided they needed to reign this one in a bit. Discombobulating tbh.

@Shimatzu95

Ай бұрын

I am kind if suprised no one mentioned how oglage is the (currently) only elder titan with removal built in. Sure its not perfect but inferno titan+ wirh built in recursion looks good enough, especially if you can get haste on him, since at that point he can kill just about anything. Also annie joins up makes him doubble lightning helix.

@zackestin1368

Ай бұрын

@@kylegonewild kroxa doesnt have lifegain to be fair, 3 life a turn in some matchups is literally gg, as you see from some other cards like oko and uro.

I'm very confused about Richard's argument about harbinger. The fact the none of the top decks play blue is a point in it's favor, unlike magus where you might waste 3 mana just for it to catch a bolt.

With all these new cards, Rakdos might finally be viable!

so they still don't get that necrodominance would let you draw your whole deck with sheoldred and gain X life where X = the number of cards in your library? not to mention fill your graveyard

@Shimatzu95

Ай бұрын

Your argument is false in a few places. You (mist likely) can't draw your deck, as you have to pay the life all at once, not in incraments. Meaning you can at most draw howevermuch life you have -1. You dont fill the gy as everything gets exiled. Both of these things alredy assume you play close to monoblack and sheoldred survives.

Sacrifice a blue nontoken creature is opposite of free. Harbinger of the seas is worse than magus of the moon with a more difficult mana cost

Shifting woodlands copying dark depths seems kind of terrifying. I know depths isn’t modern legal.

55:35 Are we not doing phrasing anymore?!

Richard is the funniest. And the smartest. And the stoopidist. His take on Nadu

If you have sheoldred+necro, a bowmasters can still kill you if you're too greedy

The Flare spells are not really free, You have to sacrifice a game piece on board, that you had to invest in to put on the field. Except in very specific cases. Probably still very good, but there is an actual cost. As opposed to force or the evoke elementals.

The sac is huge, lol

"New Necropotence sucks..." quoted.

Sorry but in top 1 I think flare of cultivation is stronger than flare of denial.

It's SO crazy to me that Grief still exists when a 1 mana hatecard DESIGNED to hate on it still isn't good enough because 1/2 the games you play second, you're not going to have 4-of in the main for game 1 even if you're on the play, then even if you win game 2 with it from your sideboard you're on the draw for game 3. It's so ridiculously stupid Grief still exists, what a toxic, awful card.

@Jace9IX

Ай бұрын

Agreege I love playing my cards grief stops that

I noticed the marionette apprentice wasn't mentioned smh. Super disappointed lol. Is chthonian nightmare bad in modern?

I just want Nadu in a Pongify deck

Crabomination sweep

Tower can easily cast Yawg turn 2, but the board will be empty.

No Flare of Cultivation?

Amped Rampter

I’m not sure you should have made this a countdown. Flare of Denial (personally I think this card is bad, between Force and Subtlety the blue aggressive decks can answer problems without reducing their clock) as your number 1 when you were universally talking about how phyrexian tower will get something(s) banned. Feels like you discredit your own rankings.

Not a flare of cultivation to be seen???

Shifting woodlands looks busted but i don't think it's good enough for modern, the best thing you can do is copy omniscience but getting sunken citadel, a fetch, a shifting and then getting omniscience into your yard is a minimum of 4 cards with self mill and a far chunk of randomness with self mill. Earliest you are going off is turn 3 and theres a lot of ramdomness to it, realistically it's getting beat by most of the existing strategies.

Dark Ritual in MH4 just leaked

I don’t understand why flare of denial is that good. It can’t be number 1.

Merfolk is already very playable.

New-lamog is NOT a good reanimator target. It's just a 7/7 body without the cast trigger.

The real question was never answered..... would these be better with cowboy hats?

Clash on!

Wrenenrgy.. cards gain retrace.. then energy cards..

New goal: get seth to play wintermoon, bloodmoon, magus of the moon and harbinger of the sea in a deck Aka: against the odds land lockdown

there's several cards here that all but guarantee grief gets banned finally

Tune the Narrative .. would be good. If it had surveil 1 and draw a card. Or Draw 2 cards and discard one from your hand. Just energy and another card is meh.

@greenfoxx1820

Ай бұрын

Flare of Malic + Forsaken Miner. Miner sacs, you target enemy pay 1 black and miner is back? Right?

I am begging for someone who actually understands Scam to appear on this podcast. Richard thinking Flare of Malice will ever 4 for 1 someone is mental.

Does this mean we'll get a top 20 commander horizons 3 cards for commander?

@taylorbruning7287

Ай бұрын

🤢

@joelanderson5285

Ай бұрын

You would not have to watch it so why the frowny face?

@JonReid01

Ай бұрын

I was really excited that's what this was 😢

@qwerty62201

Ай бұрын

Dude, enough. They do plenty of commander content

@cheesehuffa9791

Ай бұрын

@@qwerty62201 nah

Crabomination can potentially reanimate the artifact you sacced to pay its emerge cost...food for thought

Who us spike

Does Richard only say every card sucks ? He plays jund in modern FFS 😂

@mvdplas8145

Ай бұрын

Only new things suck in his eyes. Everything old is better. Or if the new thing is so good he can't deny it, he hates it.

@xLegendaryPete

Ай бұрын

Not to mention, Richard just sucks at magic in general 😂

Seth, the fool of the podcast card picks... Cool picks, but modern play can be stretch...

I enjoyed the shorter takes. It felt more consumable this way.

22:45 That card is absolutely terrible and will most likely never see competitive play in 60-card formats. Best possible outcome would be that this card finds a home in a deck that sees occasional fringe play.

Winter Moon is fucking insane.

@jeffe2267

Ай бұрын

against which decks?

@Infamouscritter

Ай бұрын

vs TRON sure but every other deck doesnt care. this card is kind of dog poop

imo flare of denial is trash, ppl who play merfolk dont even think its a good card for the deck and if it doesnt have a home in merfolk its just a terrible free counter that might see some niche play in commander xd. i mean id rather a free counter be weak than busted, so pop off tbh wizards

Man oh man, this set will be *worthless* to limited players.

Amazing how wrong Richard is, regularly.

Richard can't build "fish" so it's trash just proves to me he has no knowledge of modern. I have had merfolk build since Voldaren hexcatcher and it's a solid deck that wins a lot of games handles a lot of decks. Also why does no one say that ugin's labyrinth will protect your big card from a thoughtsieze. They can't take it if its in exile doubling the mana

@adamhenwood1114

Ай бұрын

It’s like 0.2% of the meta. It is objectively bad.

@dane_anubis6213

Ай бұрын

Its objectively underplayed. I know several decks that can play well into the meta that are in the low percentage play list. No one innovates now, everyone copies.

@adamhenwood1114

Ай бұрын

@@dane_anubis6213 look I hate to break it to you champ but "guy who gets mad when someone points out that their tier 3 deck is actually incredibly poorly positioned in the modern meta" is not, in fact, likely to provide "objective" analysis.

@dane_anubis6213

Ай бұрын

No worries. Wasn't actually angry. More pointing out the lack of understanding in the podcast, and the possible misinterpretation of data in your comment. I work in science and statistics so something being 0.2% of a data pool makes it to small to determine its potential interactions reliability in my experence. And if I am honest it's a pet deck that is not my favorite. But I do enjoy taking non tier decks for a spin at any level magic event and showing how much they are underestimated. I will also spare you any insult related to the fact that name calling was essentially your best course of response when I opened up an alternate interpretation of data. Let's just leave that as the expected normal of internet conversation and be saddened it was all I found here

Uro but it doesnt draw cards and isnt blue nor green is a huge L

The maximum hand size of 5 is so stupid.