The time Harley Davidson won MotoGP
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In the 1960s Harley Davidson took stock in Italian motorcycle manufacturer Aermacchi. Together the companies would develop small grand prix racebikes and ultimately win multiple titles at the highest level. This is the story of how it happened.
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Sorry for my terrible pronunciation of Aermacchi. My bad
@johngalt97
Жыл бұрын
Would be fun to know which incorrect pronunciations were most prevalent back in the 70's.
@p6x2
Жыл бұрын
I don't think people here would mind too much, since they probably have no idea themselves how it is supposed to be pronounced. Just listen to all "Guzzi" related contents. Guzzi is said "Good-Z".
@pierotegazzini8308
4 ай бұрын
Interesting documentary, by the way ch in italian must be pronounced like a K so Aremacchi sounds like Aermakki like bruschetta sounds brusketta :)
I'am so glad you mentioned the MZ motorcycle factory and Walter Kaaden their technician. They where very important for the development of the 2 stroke technology. Greetings from Holland.
In my one and only sanctioned motorcycle drag race I was matched against an Aermacchi. It beat the stuffing's out of me. At the end of the quarter he was at least three bike lengths ahead of me. I went back to scrambles after that!
Those Aermacchis were works of art. The art deco styling looks great.
Don't forget Danny Eslick, Bruce Rossmeyer’s Daytona Racing/RMR/GEICO Powersports made history by clinching the 2009 AMA Pro Road Racing Daytona SportBike championship at New Jersey Motorsports Park, Eslick's own and Buell Motorcycle Company’s first professional AMA road racing championship. That Buell actually did work! Of course, that was the year that Harley pulled the plug on Buell.
@user-fh2ir6lq1n
8 ай бұрын
Sounds about right they finnaly find a bike that can win just to end it however the newest buels are built off that one and well have power and lightweight they just need better breaks and they could compete again
@tokyosmash
6 ай бұрын
@@user-fh2ir6lq1nthe ZTL braking system did just fine in AMA Superbike and world superbike competition using largely street based parts
From what I have read, Buells were very competitive in Twin Cylinder racing classes.
@HisAssholiness
Жыл бұрын
they won one sport bike championship in ama , in 2009
@davidellis7081
10 ай бұрын
...but they sounded good at all RPMs!
@mikeskidmore6754
10 ай бұрын
@@HisAssholiness Then Harley Davidson spent $115 Million to shut down the New Buell Factory
Your first pic of Walter Villa is actually Gilles Villeneuve the F1 driver :)
@jonnyspa27
14 күн бұрын
I was gonna say the same! LOL
Aermacchi was amazing and Harley bought into it, so good on them. Just never forget that really it was really the Italian engineering that won the championship but also needed american funding to be able to do it.
I’m so happy to hear of Harley Davidson doing something right. I’ve never owned one of their products,and I’m not brand loyal. You have given us more to the story of this company. So I respect them just a smidge Thanks again for creating content that is well thought out.
@filthyanimal874
Жыл бұрын
This is one of the most stupid asinine comment I’ve ever read 😂
@raoul1650
Жыл бұрын
They did have a super rich and successful history in racing during the early part of their existence. The kind of bikes they make just gravitated away from the competitive racing scene, nothing wrong with that.
@TravisTerrell
Жыл бұрын
@@raoul1650 Well, to be fair they kind of just kept competing in flat track with outdated equipment. Racing doesn't have to echo their street bikes.
@raoul1650
Жыл бұрын
@@TravisTerrell that is true, but that's because they had a winning formula. When they tried to change it things actually got worse for them. I wouldn't be surprised if Harley was influencing the rules in flat track racing honestly to stay ahead, but I just don't really see why going racing is what every company has to be known for. Harley purposefully sticks to highly antiquated air cooled engines with pushrods that can't rev past 6500rpm without blowing up. We know for a fact that they can make better engines, because they have with their revolution max engine, sure it's still down on power compared to an ultra high revving inline 4, but the Revolution Max has all sorts of technology, with overhead valves they can rev higher, there's variable valve timing, it's powerful no ifs ands or buts about it. But they're still not taking it racing. That's because that's not the market they're trying to appeal to, they're trying to appeal to people who are comfortable buying 700-900lb air cooled cruisers that are designed to go cross country. Some of them are "hot rodded" but they're hot rodded in comparison to other Harleys. That's what Harley riders really want, and they're appealing to a separate market with the Nightster and Pan America and Sportster S. If the pan America isn't an example of doing something right, I don't know what is. They made their very first adventure bike, loaded with a ton of technology, a very powerful engine which is just a tiny bit slower than the R1250 GS, electronically adjustable suspension, all the rider comfort you would really need, just less refined than the top company in the space which has been in that space for decades. Harley aren't a company of screw ups, they have been complacent in the past and they are charging a premium price, but Harleys really are like nothing else out there in terms of the fit and finish, plus they're at least assembled in the US which adds considerable cost. They could manufacture bikes sold in America in Indonesia and pay the workers $5/hr with no benefits, (they might in other countries but that's a whole different story) but in the US the markup isn't as bad as most people think when you take manufacturing and materials into account.
@bryanduncan1640
Жыл бұрын
@Scott Lowe - what the commentator meant was that in order to win races and get into the European small-bike market, H-D purchased Aermacci (an Italian bike manufacturer) and slapped their name on the side. Eventually, H-D managed to F::k Aermacci up the same way they f::k everything up and still produce bikes that even the Americans are buying in smaller and smaller numbers. Keep your money and buy a decent bike.
I love history, so good. When I was little, there was a Harley dealer across the street from my house. I use to look thru the window at the little mini bike Harley and dream big dreams. I think the year was '72.
I wish you'd taken a second to just check how Aermacchi is pronounced. It's italian. Chi becmes a K sound. It's Aermakki. Good well researched video but the pronounciation makes it more difficult to sit through than it needs to be
@kasperkjrsgaard1447
Жыл бұрын
“MZ” - well, you pronounced the M correct. 😅 The “Ala d’Oro” was a disaster too.
Awesome story! Exactly the content I'm craving. Thanks!
I once owned a 350 single amf harley, it was fun! But took a while to get used to,if it kicked back, it hurt!
You never even mentioned the race series "King of the Baggers" at Moto America events across the US, even though you showed videos of these very races. The King of the Baggers Series races big 750 lb. touring motorcycles with full body work including saddlebags; motorcycles known as "Baggers". At first the attitude of race fans was; "Race Baggers? Ya gotta be shittin' me?" Initially these big motorcycles would break down all over the place, and races were short for this reason. However the racing proved entertaining and exciting, with Factory Sponsorship and top motorcycle racers riding in this series. The races have gotten better really quickly and offer the fans real, legitimate competition! Motorcycle racing has always enhanced the engineering and technology of road going motorcycles for sale in dealerships and Baggers are no exception. In building big touring motorcycles that can lap a race track at 100+ mph and stay together, the engineering, technology and lessons learned filtered down to improvements on baggers for sale on the showroom floors. As a result Bagger motorcycles are becoming; more durable, more powerful, better handling, with improved suspensions, better brakes(especially), better tires, more aerodynamic, etc. Baggers are becoming MUCH better performing street motorcycles as a result of the racing in King of the Baggers Series. Virtually all the big motorcycle companies make these heavyweight touring motorcycles and most motorcycle marques are now racing in this series. Anyway, my point is; the engineering required in racing improves the technology found on street motorcycles. This has always been the case. A VERY large portion of Harley Davidson business is selling these big, heavyweight touring motorcycles, i.e. "Baggers" (also called "Dressers"). Baggers can sell for $30k +; with a few exceptions this type of motorcycle is the most expensive. The King of the Baggers races have helped Harley improve their big touring motorcycles and to sell more of these bikes. Frankly, this genre of motorcycles are normally sold on the virtue of styling, heritage, and looks, but were ripe for some extensive technological improvement, IMO. FYI, Harley Davidson is now struggling to build smaller “starter” motorcycles to attract younger riders and foster brand loyalty. In the 1970s Aermacchi provided these smaller motorcycles in the Harley Davidson line up. Aermacchi motorcycles are sought after today and many of the 4 stroke singles sold in the US in the ‘70s are being purchased and shipped back over to Europe for use in Vintage racing. Aermacchi was a quality motorcycle company with a racing heritage before its merge with Harley Davidson. Aermacchi filed an important niche in that Company which is missing today.
In the beginning the Motor Company wanted nothing to do with racing. But in the late teens and '20's they were very successful at board track and dirt track racing. Called "The Wrecking Crew" . I know a lot of people call AMF a bad time for Harley but without them there would be no Harley Davidson as we know it today. Great content, Bart!
@larryduvall9475
Жыл бұрын
yes they could stand a lot of help now
Wailter villa looks a lot like Gilles Villeneuve 🤔
@davidatkinson3887
Жыл бұрын
Sloppy research when a moto G.P driver i.e Giles Villeneuve is included , we're they thinking of Michel Rougeire. , the Frenchman who partnered W.Villa. ?
Lucifers hammer in statesville NC built by don tilley is another great story! My father was really close with don, as don sponsored my dad when he drag races pro fuel.
My first motorcycle, in December 1970, was a Harley Davidson 125 cc Rapido. It was a piece of junk, but it was my first love. I’ll always love it. Thank you for the video!
Hey, Say what you will, but the second generation Buell was an amazingly good bike! I never raced it as it was just not financially viable, but my 05 Lightning was a dream to ride on the track.
Another outstanding vid 🙂 Thank you
Miguel Duhamel loved the handling of the HD AMA Superbike, but it was down on power and not too reliable and another concern of his was the inexperienced pit crew he had. But he rode the wheels off it when things were right with it.
Bart, you are becoming a really good motorcycle historian. Thanks for all you do, and keep it coming!
@bartmotorcycle
10 ай бұрын
Thanks!!
If any of you are interested in seeing some on board race videos of an Aermacchi, I have a lot of videos on the 250 and 350 four strokes from the 60s and 70s. Bart is completely right about them being fragile, you get a good 30 laps out of them before they need to be rebuilt.
Just a little hint: The Italian alphabet has no 'K' (neither does it have J, W, X or Y) so to make that sound Italian adds an 'h' after c. So whenever you see 'ch' you know it is a k sound and there are no exceptions.
Great video Bro! As usual!
Speaking racing a Harley. l remember a Lance Weil racing a Harley in the mid sixties in UK... saw him a couple of times at Brands Hatch race track. Regarding Aermacchi, l always thought it a shame that Harley Davidson became involved with them mainly because the Italian motorcycle company had little in common with Harley motorcycles, design wise...l loved that horizontal single cylinder engine. Most Italian bikes of that time, Aermacchi, Moto Guzzi, Bianchi, Capriolo, even the diminutive Itom and of course Ducati had that Racer look about them.... about as far away from Harley Davidson as one could get.....
@MrConan89
Жыл бұрын
I have here in the Philippines a 1969 SS350 Aermacchi/HD that I bought from Lance Weil in 1990. BTW in his UK races, Weil had is HD engine in a Norton frame.
@davidatkinson3887
Жыл бұрын
In the 70's riding an iron barrelled 750cc H.D. V twin was the late great Cal Raybourn killed racing in N.Z. He certainly surprised some of the top British riders in the easter match races.
Wasn't a harley motor so harley won nothing then when they finally did do an in house deal they were embarrassed and dropped out.
Excellent GREAT Job.. Information IN The Video was so right on. Thanks i learn and enjoyed every minute of it . 🐕🍵🍵🍩
An interesting video about a time of which I knew very little. Amongst Paul Brodie's many KZread videos there are some concerning his Aermacchi racing machine that are worth a look if you are keen to know more of Aermacchi bikes of this period.
Something else that might be relevant to the H/D Aermacchi relationship. Like the big twin (but not the sportster) the sprint 4 strokes had the valves intake above exhaust but the cam ran in plane with the crankshaft so the pushrods did a 90* twist. Of course this was all inside the cylinder casting of the Italian unlike the exposed pushrod tubes that give the big twins the pipe organ look. I had a ‘67 250 which had another unique quirk, impossible hot starts. The side draft carburetor was directly above the hot cylinder so the float bowl would percolate and flood the engine. Years later I was comparing notes with another ex-sprint owner who rode his to night school math class 3 nights a week. In order to be able to restart it after class he’d park it, remove the spark plug and put it in his pocket. He went on to say that he still couldn’t do algebra unless he spilled hot coffee on his pant leg.
IN 1970 I was riding for a shop in Calif. that got hold of {{ Spelling }} Bart Marckles Harley 750 KR road racer. He used it the year he took second place in AMA. I recall it was the most outlandished prept bike I have ever seen. Handled OK but it needed a better team then ours to keep it running.
I remember and always knew about the Italian Harleys in the 70s, but had no idea there was so much other history with Aermacchi. Good one.👍
@billbrown6487
Жыл бұрын
If it’s Italian it’s not a Harley!
@PineyRider
Жыл бұрын
@@billbrown6487 Those wonderful AMF years! Now they're talking about 2 Chinese market HDs!!
@jonnymac8925
Жыл бұрын
@@PineyRider the words, Harley, Wonderful and AMF do not mix! While they did make some cool bikes and some outside of the box ideas the reason Harleys are known as leaky, unreliable bikes is because of the AMF years. It still haunts Harley to this day. I should also note that I am in no way a Harley hater, I own two Harleys at this time among other bikes and love them both!
@PineyRider
Жыл бұрын
@@jonnymac8925 Right? 1970s was not their finest hour!
air MAH key.
I didn't know that. Thanks for the video!
The sprint was very good at dirt flat track.
@jfess1911
Жыл бұрын
I was interested in the 350's, but they stayed homely for a long time and looked old fashioned. Harley eventually updated the looks but used a fuel tank that looked comically small.
Amazing the two stroke era for all motorcycling. Wish two strokes were still made new for the road.
This is important, because Harley has spent more time successfully racing in more forms of motorsport than most realize. Harley is a racing company that builds street bikes. Just look up their success since the beginning.
Good video, enjoyable.
9:17 is Gilles Villeneuve.
Great history lesson
Good job on this one, Bart, but you missed that Harley should be developing a new flat track bike to compete with Indian, not just count on choking Indian’s intakes to keep them competitive!
@bartmotorcycle
Жыл бұрын
Agreed! I've made an entire video on this subject
@lenl2514
Жыл бұрын
Come to think of it I have seen it and enjoyed it, too
A pity that you butchered Aermacchi's name for the complete video...
Thank you!
that Walter Villa dude really looks like Gilles Villeneuve... crazy!
Aermacchi bikes were "Harley" in name only. At least Buell made a go of it with real Harley engines, so they had more "Harley cred". Too bad Eric Buell sold out to Harley. Those were some seriously cool bikes. I wonder what he could build with the PanAmera/Sportster S motor!
I was at Silverstone in 1976 (75 or 76 I can,t remeber) and saw the Harley works garage ,, and stood and watched (like you do ).... Eventually I saw Walter Villa and ask him for a sticker,,Of course being a great guy he gave me a Walter Villa world champ sticker...Which I still have (unstuck)
This was great, thanks!
@vincedibona4687
Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, I am old enough to remember the HD 883 roadracing series back in the 1990s. Limited mods and streel-legal tires. Fun stuff.
@sergioleone3583
Жыл бұрын
@@vincedibona4687 Didn't Yvon Duhamel run some of those events? I seem to recall seeing him out there on the Twins at some AMA events.
@vincedibona4687
Жыл бұрын
@@sergioleone3583 Yes! Good times...
@sergioleone3583
Жыл бұрын
@@vincedibona4687 Those truly were great days. It was so cool seeing Miguel on the Superbikes and his dad on the Twins the same weekend!!!!!
Please include a vid on the 1977 JAWA 250/350cc 2 stroke twin road racer ,very similar to H.D./Aermacchi.
That's Gilles Villeneuve at 9:14, not Walter Villa
@blipco5
Жыл бұрын
The tip-off is his name on his jacket.
@WL2K
Жыл бұрын
@@blipco5 also, it looks just like Gilles
@blipco5
Жыл бұрын
@@WL2K I agree, Gilles looks a lot like himself.
@sergioleone3583
Жыл бұрын
@@blipco5 as well as his face, the Giacobazzi sponsorship, and the Ferrari patch on the coveralls.
@blipco5
Жыл бұрын
@@sergioleone3583 Yes, Bart gets things wrong on every video.
In the late 70's Harley made some motocross bikes as well, that never had much success, but weren't half bad.
Harley-Davidson has a will all it’s own,have faith ✌🏻❤️🎃
The world GP series in those days was not called MotoGP. The top capacity GP bikes were 500cc . The name motoGP came in in 2002 when the bikes changed to large capacity four strokes although 500cc bikes 2 strokes were allowed to compete but these soon faded out as they were not competitive. Your title is inaccurate on two counts. The term used is wrong and HD never won the senior class but did win the smaller 250 and 350 classes.
H-D peaked with the Topper. They should do an electric version, that boxy styling would fit lots of batteries and look cool.
I actually raced one of the across the counter water cooled RR350 twins back in 1976 it was a good looking bike with some interesting design ideas like the two piece heads and separate cylinders unfortunately it could never run at the front with the Yamaha TZ's clearly the RR was not the same bike that Villa was winning world championships on and the money and know how was not available to make it competitive at the time in fact why even bother when you could just buy a Yamaha TZ, apparently they only made 26 RR350's I am assuming this is the reason why. The Jarno era was an exciting time as he was cheekily challenging MV in the 350 class and would soon do so in the 500 as much as I loved the sound of the MV's they had ruled these classes for years and it was good to see some competition Jarno was a hero of mine, still is to honest, a real ten tenths rider with an engineering background but I feel the reason for his riding ability was his previous career ice racing in Finland his passing with Renzo Pasolini was a devastating tragedy to me and many others. As a side note I have never heard Aermacchi pronounced the way you have the macch component was always pronounced like the Mach used in measuring the speed of sound if you lookup Giulio Machhi the founder of the company you will find that is how his surname is pronounced. Anyway thanks for covering an interesting period in GP history and revealing the connection between Harley Davidson and Aermarchhi.
Good video man. I’ve watched a lot of your videos and this one convinced me to subscribe. Long live Harley-Davidson!🇺🇸❤️🥳 Dear Harley-Davidson , it’s perfectly ok to do the new stuff for the young folks, but please don’t lose your heritage and don’t forget about us older guys who were rock solid loyal to our American motorcycle company. Harley-Davidson, Cadillac, Smith and Wesson come to mind when I think America 🇺🇸!!!
I would love to see a video on that Harley 750 thing
@senatorjosephmccarthy2720
Жыл бұрын
VKED23 , There is one by Bart. Lots of specifics.
Aermakkki not Aermathshi ! Allah de Ora ??? (Ala d'oro = golden wing) Tscharno Serrinen?
Buell was experimenting with Chassis' . The actual Harley V-twin is a " Big Bang " type of engine in operation . Some perseverance may have payed off .
If I am not wrong you were talking about a 4-cylinder 2-stroke 500cc-"Harley" ? I just remember a 500cc with 2 cylinders - it featured 4 carburettors, maybe this leads to a misunderstanding?
Please make a video about Vespas and/or Lambrettas
The Aermachis were very cool. It's a shame and hard to comprehend that their innovation didn't spread to HD's other products. HD could have been a sort of Honda, with bikes from the Hummer to the Aermachis and up to the Sportsters, etc., but they never integrated it all.....
IMO HD will never be competitive in racing until they develop a dependable motor capable of RPM’s in the mid 10 to 11 range that can make torque & power.
Back when pushrod motors were leading tech. 1920
At 6:05 is that a Kröber revcounter? (Dräzahlmesser)
@cagr4249
Жыл бұрын
Yes, I think so. In my opinion no other rev-counter has this look.
nice new vid
It’s really an Aeromacci,an Italian brand Harley bought to get access to dirt bikes.
I will not dig deeper, but in time around 9:12, the man on the bike is not Walter Villa. He is actually Formula One legend Gilles Villeneuve.
@sergioleone3583
Жыл бұрын
Thank you, I was going to make the same comment but thought I'd check to see if someone else had caught that.
Even Harley can win a GP as long as they do not build the bike!
Harley Davidson was also very succesfull in the field of offroading. For a long time H-D was the most victorious manufacturer in the legendary finnish enduro competition Päijänteen Ympäriajot. And it's still on the shared 3th place with Jawa, only KTM and Husqvarna being more victorious.
I bought a Harley, and I'll never have that money again what a waste! Thank God I have land.
Harley-Davidson has a race history that is over a hundred years old 1910 on up to now Harley is the bike to beat on the oval tracks of America
Edit: Couple things, hope it's not taken wrong. Back then it wasn't called "motogp", a modern term. Gilles didn't race bikes, he races snowmobiles before he raced cars.
@solsol1624
Жыл бұрын
Dead re motogp but I let it pass as I assume Bart is aiming at a younger audience. Missed the Gilles reference, but you are right.
My first bike in 1959 was a Harley and it wasn't. It was a 125 built by Puch. I modified it and could sit up at top speed while the 165 riders had to lie on the tank.
Hardly DANGEROUS.
Good job with this one. You might look at the winner of the F750 class at the Isle of Man, and the bike he finished second on in the Senior TT. A bike engine that was a boring bar design from a mid 40s 500 single splitting the factory Suzuki 500s and winning F750 on the Norton he built and spanking the Kawasaki and Suzuki triples with the pushrod twin from 1946. Good autobiography book Engineered to Race and cigarette sponsored documentary Race of the Powerbikes. On youtube
@paulblouin6955
Жыл бұрын
That was 1973
So they didn’t then it’s was an Italian company building there aramacchi under license!
It reminds me of when Ford won the LeMans race it was the only American vehicle manufacturer that beat Europeans vehicles in that race the history of it is on the movie Ford vs Ferrari.
What do you mean Buell stuff didn't work ???
I wish he'd pronounce the name Aermacchi correctly. In Italian, if the letter C is followed by an I or an E you pronounce it 'ch' as in church. If C is followed by any other letter (in this case H) you get a hard 'k' sound as in kite. The double C is basically a longer 'k' sound. It's not rocket science.
Woah woah, the XR is an evolution of the KR, it has nothing to do with Aermacchi.
And they won one super bike race also with Duhmal
harley davidson xr750,...a.k.a.,...evel knievel death machine!! incredible!!
I have an Aermacchi M-65 Leggero, not as fast as one Walter Villa raced...
Shouldn't this be titled "The Time Aermacchi Won Motogp"? Seems more appropriate.
@sergioleone3583
Жыл бұрын
Except it wasn't called MotoGP back then. That term didn't come around until they killed the two-strokes in the early 2000s.
@mikeferrini8884
Жыл бұрын
@@sergioleone3583 Dorna rebranded it - but it's the same International Grand Prix series since 1949. Motor stroke had nothing to do with it. The series started with 4 strokes until the 60's when the Japanese brought the two stroke. So it's always been about the bike not the motor. The new bikes are faster than the 2-strokes
@sergioleone3583
Жыл бұрын
@@mikeferrini8884 I'm well aware of all that. MotoGP is a marketing term and is indicative of the de-evolution of Grand(s) Prix for Motorcycles being a sport to MotoGP being manufactured entertainment. The modern bikes may be faster than the two strokes but not as exciting to watch and have far too many electronics. Nor are they anything to look at, whereas the four strokes of old (MV Agustas, Hondas of the 60s, Gileras, etc) were beautiful.
@mikeferrini8884
Жыл бұрын
@@sergioleone3583 I'm 57 years old and was around to witness the 2-stroke era. My first bike was an RD350, then later on an RZ350 YPVS. I agree with Dorna turning the sport into a sterilized entertainment package by comparison. The wife and I went to Valencia this year to see the last race of the season. She wasn't with me in the old days of standing next to hay bails along the track. I openly reminisced about how we could be so close to the track you could feel the bikes shake the ground and smell the oil. That experience is long gone. Might as well just stay home and watch it on TV.
@sergioleone3583
Жыл бұрын
@@mikeferrini8884 My buddy had a Daytona Special RD 400 that he did some well executed mods on. Such cool bikes. I was a Honda Interceptor guy, (funny I talk the two-strokes, but had a "diesel"). Loved my 85, and then my 86 VFR even more. Loved the smells at the old GPs. I never got to any of them in Europe but went to Laguna Seca many times. It was a religious experience at the time. I went to the "MotoGP" event in 07 and was stoked to see Casey win, but it didn't have quite the same feel. Thanks for not lambasting me for my response, and getting what I was getting at. I'm two laps behind you, at 55. All the best, mate!
Just imagine Harley’s image today if they stayed in MotoGP and more racing in general. The old man imagine they have nowadays is because of their actions. They created this mess. Racing gets a lot of young people interested in their products. But now instead of making good value bikes they are just going to price gouge their customers until they price every single Harley rider out of their market.
Harley started as a racing bike
I love harley. I just wish they would be inventive again
@leebenson4874
Жыл бұрын
Again??? LOL OK there was that one time??? Right???
@jeffrykopis5468
Жыл бұрын
Have you seen the PanAmera? The Sportster S? Remember the V-rod? And they have the electric bike, just not the best one.
@patrickporter6536
Жыл бұрын
They never were inventive..
Harley had access to great racing technology with Aermacci which they could have used to make great American made road motorcycles, but no, they decided 900 pound chrome turds was the way to go. They did take a decent stab at building racing motorcycles in the US with the VR1000 but they weren’t competitive and then they blew up.
Harley needs to remake in 650 class to race Royal Enfield
Buell was making "silly" bikes, winning AMA titles... Yeah, ok. Haha! The rest of this video is great though!
Darn shame Harley hasn't thought of anything original for the past few decades.
@leebenson4874
Жыл бұрын
Ever!! LOL
@filthyanimal874
Жыл бұрын
Just when I thought I read the stupidest comment I’ve ever read, I came across this idiotic comment about H-D. 🤣
@grahamnelson5376
Жыл бұрын
The kneeling suspension on the PanAm is pretty original, but beyond that it’s mostly 60’s technology
@clort123
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Get this: the dealership by me used to let cops set up checkpoints in their parking lot. The company is built on an outlaw image but makes all it's money from office dads. The generation that buys THOSE bikes out of the garages of these poser old men, THEY'LL be real bikers again. But it won't have dick to do with Harley Davidson the company
@jeffrykopis5468
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BS
AERMAKI (k)!
Anyone remember Essie Black?
Wait HD had liquid cooled engine??? probably the first one and the last one
@glenno1331
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Vrod
A broken clock, is right, twice a day.
So it was Aermacchi that won, not HardleyMadeitson.
Motogp started in 2002 so how did Harley-Davidson ever win it!?!
Newer though that KTM will race in a Moto GP, yet it happened, but for Harley I doubt it, haha...
Sooooooo Italian bike with a Harley sticker for the most part. Hmm
Nothing sad about Buells racing history.