Straight up didn't include the human torch in the story because he could've solved this in like 10 minutes.

@RushWheeler

9 ай бұрын

And they super-nerfed both Reed and Sue because they wanted to make the Lizard a bigger threat. Even then, there were better characters from Spider-Man's rogues gallery to pick from for this story, like Electro, Vulture or Green Goblin who have a better arsenal than Lizard

@hellnoodlerat4937

9 ай бұрын

Torch wasn't there because in the comics at the time he literally was away on a mission. It even states this in the actual story

@cakecheese2895

9 ай бұрын

​@@hellnoodlerat4937yeah but from a real world point of view, they couldn't have Human Torch in the story or the conflict would be solved too easily.

@hellnoodlerat4937

9 ай бұрын

@@cakecheese2895 no they couldn't, but he wouldn't be there anyway because it would conflict with the timeline

@cakecheese2895

9 ай бұрын

@@hellnoodlerat4937 yes. The writers arrange the timeline to allow for conflict.

If the writers aint ruining Parker's life... its Grimm's.

@RushWheeler

9 ай бұрын

Or Stark's, or Morales' or Banner's, or-

@CyreseParrish

9 ай бұрын

​@@RushWheelerThe whole universe is just one big canon event.

@mandalorianhunter1

8 ай бұрын

@@RushWheeler or Murdock's

@Reptego

8 ай бұрын

Or Logan's

@RavenGamingOverLord

2 ай бұрын

Good :)

The lizard literally tearing off mr. Fantastic's head is honestly so brutal

@UnlimitedIvory

9 ай бұрын

But it makes no sense given his powers

@tibetansandfox5382

9 ай бұрын

fr

@youtubestudiosucks978

9 ай бұрын

​@@UnlimitedIvorywhen do comics ever make any sense? If batman can get plummed by parademons, doomsday and darkseid on the same day without using any special armor and come out unscratched while everybody praises him for surviving those beatings that not even a fully charged superman, flash and green lantern survived without injury then what are the standards for consistency in comics exactly supposed to be at this point?

@koolkid7374

9 ай бұрын

he bit off his head@@youtubestudiosucks978

@hype5456

8 ай бұрын

​@@youtubestudiosucks978it's just stupid

4:47 Ben becomes the rizzler So the symbiote affects everyone that way. Not just Bully Maguire, huh.

@ForeverLaxx

9 ай бұрын

Part of that is because the Venom symbiote is "defective," but also because pretty much every symbiote tries to influence its host to do what it wants.

@emjedalmontasser2374

9 ай бұрын

Pretty sure that from Peter, his ego increased and this probably travelled down

@khaledm.1476

9 ай бұрын

No the ladies didn't actually like bully Maguire they thought he was ridiculous. Peters neighbour already liked him, Gwen was pretty easy. Peter was already rizzlord before the symbodite

@emjedalmontasser2374

9 ай бұрын

@@khaledm.1476 I meant his regular rizz, hes got MJ, Gwen, Silk, and others I probably dont know about or forgot. I was also referring to the comics

I love how in any other universe, venom just kills reed

@arran4285

9 ай бұрын

What did he do to piss venom off

@nguyentandung42

9 ай бұрын

@@arran4285trap it in a glass tube

@quenty_

9 ай бұрын

@@arran4285 Hmm, maybe it because Reed say to peter that he's just a mindless parasite, separate venom from peter and trapped him.

@dylanfrancis5996

9 ай бұрын

@@quenty_Yeah… Sounds like the precise recipe for getting on a symbiote’s “Do Not Like” list

I don’t understand had this comic could possibly have this many of the hardest images ever in their panels, like the venom thing and the venomized lizard it’s crazy.

@mediatorraptor3349

9 ай бұрын

I always wanted to see venomozed lizard. Such a sick design.

@animodev2099

9 ай бұрын

Red goblin looks the best

"here's the thing" HE SAID IT! HE SAID THE THING! HE SAID THE LINE!

@S0ME_GUY

9 ай бұрын

"he said the thing" HE DID IT!

The thing is the embodiment of what humans truly fear

@justanotherchannelwithauno7580

9 ай бұрын

Rocks?

@jajo3203

9 ай бұрын

​@@justanotherchannelwithauno7580🤣🤣

@knightofkorbin888

9 ай бұрын

Hey, he kinda does have the appearance of an elderly person with such a permanently overwhelming and endless amount of cracks and wrinkles that not one part of him is smooth or particularly pleasant to look at. I guess he is the furthest thing from youthfulness.

@LaserZman

9 ай бұрын

⁠what they don’t understand

@ZigealFaust

9 ай бұрын

I thought the only thing they fear is you? Did DOOM lie to me?

one of the aspects i like about this story is how “nice” the symbionte was to ben grimm, it really readjusted ben's body to be that of a normal, human it was not an ilusión it really did alter his form to be like his original pre cosmic rays exposure one but then the the lizards actions made the simbionte and Ben hateful and ended up being tainted by hatred once again because the lizard forcefully stole it and bonded with it and he payed for this betrayal with his life i firmly believe if this universe venom stayed bonded to the thing&benn did not trusted the lizard the symbionte would be come better permanently like the agent venom from earth 616

@sovietunion7643

9 ай бұрын

i think thats one of the parts about symbiotes i love the best is they are both apart of the host and their own personality, so anything malicious nor also helpful is also apart of the human host just as much as the symbiote. another example of this is in a game called grim dawn. the aetherials fit this role perfectly. the aetherials sought to escape the void between the world and inhabit the physical realm once again, and planned to take over leaders of humans to be able to carve out a place for themselves, but because the humans they took over often were many shades of brutal, greedy, or worse, it made the war much more brutal and genocidal than the aetherials had intially intended. there are aetherials who fight against their own kind as they inhabited bodies that weren't so crazy.

Is also worth noting that this “What If” story took place around the time Ben was supposed to flee to Monster Island in the 616, during the anniversary where the Fantastic Four all got their powers.

Where is the human torch? He literally has the capability to end this conflict

@UnlimitedIvory

9 ай бұрын

Had to get rid of him for plot

@MGrey-qb5xz

9 ай бұрын

He's the weakest member but has the highest output in ultimate attacks, if reed and sue died then johnny would have been speed blitz

@UnlimitedIvory

9 ай бұрын

@MGrey-qb5xz but Venom wouldn't be able to touch him the second he says flame on. Also, Johnny would be the strongest in the group with Sue being behind him, then Ben, and finally Reed.

@MGrey-qb5xz

9 ай бұрын

@@UnlimitedIvory people have punched kicked him many times, makes sense irl you just have to quickly do it to not get burned , also lizard has claws. Use actual comic feats instead of children logic, that is what mcu is for

@sergio1753

9 ай бұрын

@@MGrey-qb5xz yeah, but Venom cant touch fire, its literally his weakness

I love when The Thing says “It’s clobbering time” and proceeds to clobber all over the place

“Here’s the Thing” is hilarious 😂

I remember a FF story from the 70's where the Hulk's Gamma radiation, nullified the Thing's Cosmic radiation ........

The only reason Ben has never been permanently cured is because of some sort of contract for his character where every writer/artist isn't allowed to permanently do so. He's also not allowed to change easily like the human torch.

I can't help but hear the fucking trumpet for Spider-Man 3 for the Symbiote suit theme when The Thing said "idk he ain't here".

Can I say.. it kinda dumb that there was still a spider insignia on both Thing and Lizard.. Spidey had it because his underlying suit and stuff.. Venom had it because kinda mocking/mimicking Spidey.. but Thing and Lizard aren't using the symbiote to do that.. so they have no reason to have a spider insignia lol

@CaptainRexCT--rd7eq

9 ай бұрын

The insignia is venoms own symbol though. No matter who or what it's attached too.

@BobThePenguin.

9 ай бұрын

turns out that symbol belongs to knull

@MannequinMonarch

9 ай бұрын

I’d suppose it’s been retconned that Venom always kept it because Knull has a very similar logo in aesthetic, so it kept the symbol as one that were also akin to it’s creator or something

@tomasmichaels642

9 ай бұрын

When the thing was bonded it was a four, not a spider

@UnlimitedIvory

9 ай бұрын

I mean it still makes since given Peter was still connected to the symbiote and probably had the same type of bound as before.

Damn i need you to cover more stories about the thing like this. I can't get enough

We need this as a mini-run, I would love to see him face inner demons and Venom.

This story is kinda weird... 1) The Lizard is very much out of character here. You could say that the symbiote was influencing it, and they hint at there being a lot of break-in attempts since it arrived... But Venom being able to entice a large number of people while trapped behind a tube is not really something it's been shown to do. It can sometimes tempt one person in close proximity. But not only is Lizard in full-on evil mode here, but apparently was also able to use Connors' scientific ability as well? Secret Wars era Lizard is... well... dumb. REALLY dumb. During Secret Wars, Wasp defeats him by being nice to him. 2) It's a Fantastic Four story wherein the member who instantly stops the threat is conspicuous by his absence. For the first time in his existence, I found myself wishing Johnny Storm was there. You'd think Reed might make a call with the break-in attempts, and having studied the symbiote enough to know it's weak to sonics... but apparently missing fire? 3) A newly bonded Venom-Lizard not only breaks into the Baxter Building effortlessly; but defeats Reed and Sue? I'm sorry, even shortly after Secret War where Sue is often a damsel in distress; Sue puts a bubble in Connors' head and pops him like a zit. She certainly doesn't just get one shotted after some off-panel tussling. Given what Reed has survived, he certainly just doesn't get chewed like a piece of taffy. Reed Richards can tank hits from the Thing. He's survived being slashed by Wolverine and Daken by stretching to accommodate. Doom has trouble stretching Reed to the point where his elasticity doesn't save him, WHILE FREEZING him. But apparently the secret was a laffy taffy stretch, and lizard teeth. This story could work, just not with Curt Connors suddenly deciding that Reed Richards must die. The problem here is that they need a villain that can beat Reed and Sue, but somehow lose to Ben. (especially once the symbiote jumps ship) The Four have a pretty rich rogue's gallery of unstable minds that might have worked better here: Diablo. (The Wingless) Wizard. Super-Skrull. People who actually hate Reed.

@remix2593

9 ай бұрын

To add onto the last part and hopefully answer your question there, another comment said that "Lizard isn’t really random to the story , man just held a grudge in secret wars and wanted to get back at Reed", so ye, I'm gonna assume this is why he wanted both the symbiote here (to mess with Reed and get a power-up) and to also kill him due to holding a grudge

reed has a big red button on his jar that releases the symbiote? thought that guy was a genius

legit the smartest use of the venom story ive ever seen

I like how his impression of the thing is just a rocky impression

@crimsondynamo615

9 ай бұрын

Ben has to represent Yancy Street

"I bet they were having fun"😂😂

Pretty weird how the lizard was able to bite through reed's flesh, kinda always thought he was more durable than that. Maybe this is just a weaker version of Reed? Oh well, comics do be like that sometimes

@josephmother2659

9 ай бұрын

I mean he could probably make himself rubbery enough to survive being bitten, but if his guard is down in that instant he does not have superhuman durability or anything

@thefurrybastard1964

9 ай бұрын

I agree, he shouldn't have. And how'd he get the drop on Sue? She'd have had her forcefield up, and there's no way the Lizard would get through that. Plus where's Johnny at? Neither the Lizard nor Venom could have taken him on.

@UnlimitedIvory

9 ай бұрын

​@josephmother2659 but at that point his guard should be up since his lab was breached

@MGrey-qb5xz

9 ай бұрын

​@@thefurrybastard1964the hell are you saying Venom lizard would have just speed blitz him, johnny has human durability and reflexes

@Leadeshipcoach

7 ай бұрын

@@thefurrybastard1964 ... Yeah about Sue! I was thinking "Hasn't Sue's force fields stood up against a Celestial blast? How did the Lizard symbiote get through her force field?

“This man this monster” Ben has a lot of pathos as a character Love me some Thing

I always wondered: Can magic turn Ben Grimm back to his human form? I think Dr. Doom and/or Dr. Strange could figure it out.

@BoomerDante

9 ай бұрын

they could definitely create an illusion that he is in human form. much like in the 90s spiderman cartoon.

@AceCluck

9 ай бұрын

Doom has found multiple ways to turn Ben back into a human, all he ever does with that knowledge is taunt Reed.

@youtubestudiosucks978

9 ай бұрын

Doom found multiple ways to turn Ben back, he just doesnt do it unless Reeds admits that Doom is superior to him. It's a battle of stubborness and humility and the one who needs to become humble is weirdly the guy with the flexible powers. Somebody found a way to cure your friend from an illness nobody else has the cur off and is willing to help you, and all you need to do is say that he's smarter then you on live tv. I'd be saying that a pile of decaying food was smarter then me for a free cure to save my best friend in a heartbeat

I truly love the kid named thinger voice. Bravo Mullet-Man!

“Despite everything you’ve done for them. The only “thing” they love more than a hero, is to see a hero fall.”

Lizard isn’t really random to the story , man just held a grudge in secret wars and wanted to get back at Reed

This is what is would call grimdark. Great story but in the end its really just sad. I love these type of stories because they make you feel something. Throught the story there are ups and downs and though at the end you might not feel happy but you feel satisfied with the story. Its like when you cry at an intese seen at a movie but the emotion makes everything memoerable and enjoyable.

Reed just can't stand anyone doing anything better than him. Real truth

The amazing venomous thing, that sounds like a perfect name for this version of the thing.😺

He can only truly lose everything if he also loses himself

the thing and venom looks SICK I swear and the lizard looks amazing

I like how Thing had the fantastic 4 symbol in the beginning, but lost it when he went too far

Genuinely love your vids, they always manage to chill me out and get me thinking

It's rare to get a GOOD Thing story. I love it.

I'm genuinely surprised Marvel hasn't done 'Venom Lizard' more often.

If there’s one thing I know about these 2 I love them.

I Actually Read This What If Comic Where Thing Becomes Venom and it's A Pretty Good Story!

That "Thing" joke... Rock solid!

Why did I also laugh at the Here’s the thing joke.

Poor ben is almost as much of a punching bag for the writers as Spider-Man.

It's good that the lizard is an enemy here, remember whose son he ate, there should be no redemption arc for this guy

I actually want a sequel or some kind of follow up story to this than that cliff hanger at the end of spiders shadow

Venomized Lizard looked SOOO COOOOOOL!!!

Meanwhile Human Torch:😙🎶

4:50 I know it's just generic finger guns he's making, but I do like to believe this is a Spider-Man reference.

Human Torch should've been in it as well

This definitely my new favorite comic channel great work 🔥

Oh wow, you actually said *the thing* **Cue Seinfeild laughter track here**

I am new to your channel and have only seen three videos so far. I have to say you made a lifetime fan out of me with your dark sense of humor and your content being some of the best and craziest comics that I have not even heard of after no longer collecting comics. This one in particular stood out because I have always been a fan of the more tragic hero’s in Marvel Hulk being my favorite with The Thing coming up a very close second. This What If was stunning in both staying close to the dark undertones I grew up with and the absolutely amazing art contained in this issue. Thank you for this.

3:38 I yelled holy shit for some reason lol. I think I’m more of a fan of the Thing then I knew.

Well done, and it’s the reason I’ve been a Thing fan and FF fan since 64

lol i love that opening

Something that's always bothered me with Grimm is how they play up how ugly he is, how he desperately wants to be his regular handsome self. Show of hands people, is there anyone out there who actually thinks Ben Grimm is ugly? He's like an adorable pet rock dipped in cornflakes. There was this period where he was smooth and lumpy instead of rocky, and he looked like he had the worst allergic reaction to shellfish ever. (Which he didn't because I am pretty sure he's not allowed to eat shellfish.) In that scenario, okay, maybe he was a bit on the...huckery side. But regular old psoriasis-cliff Grimm looks kinda cute.

Honestly I'm just kinda surprised to see a writer do anything with the fact that Lizard got dragged over to Battleworld, that basically never comes up.

this video shows us something truly special that Venom likes the thing more than the Lizard

I dunno he aint here sheeeesh thats colder than my freezer🥶🥶🥶

Okay, I finally subscribed cuz of the relishing in your awful joke 😂😂😂 awesome

Love the Voice for The Thing

If She-Hulk or the Human Torch especially were in this story the Symbiote is a non threat

I wish it didn’t escalate so quickly. That’s venomized ff4 suit was dope

Ouch, my heart 😢

Where the hell was Johnny during this? The Symbiote's weakness is fire, so I guess he needed to not be there or else it would've ended pretty quick?

Great story, but the symbiote making a Spidey logo on Ben's costume is silly

From what I see in this video, the writers barely have an understanding of the characters involved, even if this is a What If.

Love the voice acting. You’re great, keep it up, man!

Jonny: Guys! I’m back! (He sees the aftermath of the story.) Jonny: WTF?! I was gone for two hours! What the hell happened? Ben: Oh uh… Jonny. Yeah funny story-

Yeah, seeing The Thing venomized was really fun.

Magnetic video as always brother

I like the introduction 😂😂😂😂😂

a venom thing combo would be horrifying to deal with if gone bad

Finally, an actual interesting comic made.

Thank you for covering the marvel what if dark stories for some reason they aren't available digital i know there in comic shop but i always forget to pick then regardless thank you for your amazing content

Thing is, the things that The Thing has to think about this thing, are a totally different thing, I think

Bro if they don't pick Roger Clark to play The Thing in the MCU it would be a crime against humanity.

7:16 jesus christ!!! I don't what's worst this or what happened to him in spider man dark hold

I wish They did the thing with the thing in ultimate comics where the Thing could turn into a human and his thing later.

The Thing Is Manipulated by Lizard and The Symbiote.

Love seeing a Spider-Man villain other than Venom in a What If story.

This is pretty badass

This was sweet 🎂

That's a great story on the Thing but how about the story where Thing meets Sandman in the bar?

The Thing should just go to Doctor Strange and have him cast a spell that makes everybody see him as his human form.

Love you man

Wild that at this point people would be calling The Thing a monster when..at that point in Marvel there are monsters fucking everywhere...

Love it

Human torch was clapping that shussy

Such a good story

Great story but I feel like they could've done better with the Thing Venom design

Where was the Human Torch throughout all of this?

Venom actually did only try to help. He saw someone that could be his host and that he could help. Only to once again be used by an evil person. I like to see that ben and venom end back up together in the end even if they are both broken people. I think they can slowly help eachother heal, honestly, like the way it happened with brock.

That was actually a superintening good joke . . . Nice

ITS CLOBBERING TIME, ALICA!!!

No way they made Sue and Reed that weak especially Sue?? Like what

4:46 goodness gracious

I actually think reed found a way. Many many ways but they always end up with a horrible side effect or worse that he just cant ever tell ben about. Of course the smartest man on the planet found a way but he cant bare to do it to his best friend cuz he knows what will happen to ben if he does

Yeah nah i'm not buying this, the way Lizard killed the Invincible Woman and Mister Fantastic is incredibly silly, especially Sue, who's arguably the most powerful member of the Fantastic Four. She could've blocked Lizard's head until he no longer breathes, Reed's powers are stretchable that it's impossible to get teared by a lizard guy (even with the symbiote suit).

@pokerations

7 ай бұрын

if she turned his octive nerds invisible (which it’s confirmed she can do) it would be enough to stop it for a bit