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@nereus246

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your great work bro 😎👍🏻. I wish Germany was bigger, I’m half German and live here but I don’t want to force or have war with my beloved neighbours, but at the same time I think I’m my head that Germany would be much better off having more of its pre world war charm and culture.

@jes3d

2 жыл бұрын

no

@amrutanshusahoo6575

2 жыл бұрын

Make video on Indian states...

@AsebTheDude

2 жыл бұрын

I want to but im 10 year old I don’t know how stuff works

@theglaze8927

Жыл бұрын

General history: Germany has lost some of its land throughout history............... Me: What the hell! It's isn't "some", it's 33%! Not rude just saying 😊

You know what's ironic? Both Prussia and Austria had a bitter rivalry over who should rule Germany. But neither of them are part of Germany today.

@kentrosaurusboi3909

2 жыл бұрын

I never thought of that...wow

@Stant123

2 жыл бұрын

If I were Austria, I'd claim victory as the country still exists.

@ThrE3-GeS

2 жыл бұрын

That’s not true, big parts of prussia still exist‘s today like berlin and brandenburg mecklenburg vorpommern etc. only the name prussia is not envolved anymore. But traditions like military punctuality order is still very valued in the german nation today and those come all from prussia. Just like the germans say today the prussian legacy lives till this day.

@A.Martin

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThrE3-GeS its mostly that most of Prussian Territory is now part of Poland and Russia, not Germany.

@Alexander9600

2 жыл бұрын

You could argue that the people of Prussia are alive in Germany today, as a lot of them moved (or more likely fled) to todays Germany both shortly before and after the end of WW2

The thumbnail is wrong: by 1701, when the Kingdom of Prussia was created, it did not include Royal Prussia and Silesia. It was comprised by 2 disjointed territories: the electorate of Brandenburg and the ducal Prussia. Silesia was conquered from Austria around 1740 in the First Silesian War. Royal Prussia belonged to Poland up until the First Partition of Poland in 1772.

@Alkalus

2 жыл бұрын

Also for the German Empire, would the date be 1871 instead?

@luffesi9889

2 жыл бұрын

@@Alkalus no it was still that big in 1914 if it was before the great war

@magivkmeister6166

2 жыл бұрын

Can confirm, having played Empire TW

@jonathancurran5366

2 жыл бұрын

The Hohenzollern Elector of Brandenburg, later became Duke of Prussia later elevating himself to King IN Prussia.

@cessactdm

2 жыл бұрын

🤓

The Kingdom of Germany (regnum Teutonicorum) was the realm of the Germans within the HRE and the origin of the German state. Prussia was merely the leading power behind the reunification of Germany after it was shattered by Napoleon.

@hodor3024

2 жыл бұрын

First German King was Otto I.

@hodor3024

2 жыл бұрын

​@Sasquatch94 The partition of the Carolingian Empire set the stage, but the rule of Otto i. (and that of his father, Henry the Fowler) were the grand unifying moments.

@leopoldiv2341

Жыл бұрын

@@hodor3024 The first German nationalism even came a little before Otto's I coronation to the emperor in 962. In 955 all Germanic tribes fought together against the Hungarians (with Otto I as leader) and that had led to a national unity between all these tribes.

@xenotypos

Жыл бұрын

Reunification of part of Germany, not all of it. I understand what you're saying, Germans nowadays indeed are more likely descendant of "East Francia" (then the Kingdom of Germany), yet, Prussia's influence was a little more than just unification. They really modeled Germany, exported their militaristic culture, and reigned over the entire territory. So for me, it's also true to say that the ancestor of Germany as a "state", is Prussia. But the ancestors of the "German people", surely is from either the kingdom of Germany or (part of) the HRE yes. Regardless, for me Bavaria > all. Lol.

@TheLocalLt

Жыл бұрын

@@leopoldiv2341 yes, the uniting of Germany really started under his father Henry the Fowler who was the first Saxon, rather than Frank to rule in the East Frankish Kingdom, effectively turning it into the Kingdom of the Germans and setting the stage for Otto’s campaigns. However of course all that was set up politically by Charlemagne’s conquests and conversion of the Saxons in the first place, and territorially by the Treaty of Verdun dividing West and East Frankish Kingdoms while creating Lotharingia to fight over for 1200 years

Even before Prussia was a thing, as early as 16th century, thanks to Luther's reformation movement, the roots of a German identity were starting to grow in the Holy Roman Empire, in the development of the high German language and antagonism towards France and the Ottoman Empire. They were still separate princely states politically, but linguistically and culturally, they were beginning to form a common identity.

@General.Knowledge

2 жыл бұрын

This is what I meant, perhaps I didn't clarify it well in the video. My point that Prussia was the origin of Germany was in the sense that it was the leading power for the creation of the State as we know it, not of the German Identity or people.

@ohauss

2 жыл бұрын

@@General.Knowledge a)That had nothing to do whatsoever with the historic region of Prussia, which you focused on. The Prussian state that had said role was centered on Brandenburg. The reference to "Prussia" was just one that allowed the Prince-Electors of Brandenburg to elevate themselves to Kings. Much like Saxony has precious little to do with the territory of the Saxons, of which it touches only the southeastern borders. b)The modern German State, from its territory, has more in common with the Regnum Teutonicorum than with the original Prussia. You're negating almost a thousand years of history.

@xenotypos

Жыл бұрын

For me he was only talking about the German "state", thus why he considers Prussia its ancestor. But regarding Germany as a culture and identity, it's another matter entirely yes. The thing with the word "Germany" in English, is that it means many different things.

@davidmorris8319

Жыл бұрын

@@ohauss that's what you're getting wrong: it's not about the territory, but the continuity of states, as in institutions holding power. And we definitely can trace the origins of the modern german state back all the way to the beginning of prussia. We're not a successor state of the HRE in the sense that they didn't evolve to be modern germany on their own. Culturally and territorially, of course you're right! But this is more about the law and who holds power.

@sebe2255

Жыл бұрын

@@davidmorris8319 Can we actually though? This continuity of states is always a vague concept. You can’t really say that the same institutions hold power in post war Germany as in pre war Germany.

As a German I really hate the idea that Germany evolved out of Prussia or that German history prior to 1871 can be reduced to prussian history. No Prussia was just one german state among many that only gained significance at a relatively late point in German history and happened to be the driving force behind the eventual unification. Yet a much more appropriate starting point for German history would be the Holy Roman Empire wich was preceded by the kingdom of East Francia. The king Otto I. of East Francia united the different German speaking peoples, the Saxons, Bavarians, Swabians and Franconians in the famous battle of Lechfeld in 955 against the Magyars and was crowned holy roman emperor in 962 by the pope. Prussia would not even exist for another 700 years at this point.

@josafathernandez7211

Жыл бұрын

Its a shame how Germany lost much of its territory after WW2

@dr.v.rumpler5230

Жыл бұрын

@@josafathernandez7211 from 1914 at least 50% of its territory

@davidr5658

Жыл бұрын

As a non-German, I agree the Stem Duchies of Bavaria, Swabia, Saxony, and Franconia are the roots of Germany, not Prussia.

@aaronmarks9366

Жыл бұрын

While I like this video, I really wish he would have started with the West Germanic tribes, East Francia, and the HRE. Basically the modern western and southern borders of Germany arose from this history, having nothing to do with Prussia.

@ItsLunaRegina

Жыл бұрын

Prussia made Germany. Nothing yo say can change that fact.

The idea that Germany evolved out of Prussia is a bit odd. Prussia had no doubt a very strong influence on the forging of the German Empire of 1871 and the German mentality of that time, but the HRE is actually called "Holy Roman Empire of German Nations" and that in itself might lead to another view than the one you propagate here. Many true points though that you make. In my book, to say it briefly, Germany started at around 1000 AD under the kings Otto and Heinrich.

@sebe2255

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but the HRE was dissolved post Napoleon and Prussia ended up being the dominant state in the German Confederation. The idea of a Germany may be older but Prussia is what led to the creation of a centralized German state in the modern era. Until 1945 that is when Germany was rebuilt as a Western Liberal ally. (Forget east germany for a second)

I think the HRE is missing in this Video, Prussia was a great power that influenced the HRE for the last 300 Years but the HRE is much older, Prussia just occupied it after the HRE was dissolved. And many germans dont like that we are called prussians, because there were so much else german tribes than the prussian. Edit: changed a p to b

@stefan_popp

2 жыл бұрын

Just letting you know that 'tripes' are innards ;)

@ory_enterprise

2 жыл бұрын

@@stefan_popp oh exidently changed b to p, good call

@jemand1537

Жыл бұрын

hre wasnt germany

@ory_enterprise

Жыл бұрын

@@jemand1537 why not?

@EtherealWonders1216

Жыл бұрын

​@@ory_enterprise The HRE was attempting to be the successor of Rome, and it was established by the French. And by the time that Prussia was a thing, the HRE wasnt a thing anymore, but the powers of europe still thought it was for some reason, even though it was so goddamn fragmented. This is MY opinion for it not being Germany. But im kinda in the middle.

The origin of the state is in Prussia, but the cultural origins are probably more where the country is today. It was always hard to define as , unlike France or England, it is not defined by natural borders.

@General.Knowledge

2 жыл бұрын

I agree!

@Yora21

2 жыл бұрын

I guess Germany is where the Germans are? (Though there's still the Austrians and German Swiss, who are very much not in Germany.)

@tobiwan001

2 жыл бұрын

@@Yora21 Germany is mainly defined by language areas. Hence Deutschland. The land where the people speak Deutsch. The current Germany is the smallest possible definition. The English term „Germans“ suggests an ethnic definition which never existed, although some small Austrian guy made that up and many believed it for about 12 years.

@tylerbozinovski427

2 жыл бұрын

It would've made more sense to call it the Kingdom of Brandenburg(-Prussia) or something.

@Yora21

2 жыл бұрын

@@tylerbozinovski427 But then you would have had a King of Brandenburg, who is a King IN Germany. And that wouldn't have been accaptable for many of the other German princes. You get the same issue show up later when they form a new German Empire and the new Emperor has a drawn out debate with his own chancellor about whether his title will be Emperor of Germany or Emperor of the Germans. I never quite understood the finer nuances of that issue, but it was a really big deal at that time, since it had serious implications about who claims authority over what.

As a german and a frisian i have a Problem with that. Prussia Was the First german Triberg to expand and Flourish, but the roots of germany lies in all its tribes

Germany did not occupy all of Poland in 1939. They've split it with Soviet Union in result of a Ribbentrop-Molotov pact signed with USSR just before the outbreak of war in 1939. It's important to note that both Nazi Germany AND Soviet Union started the war in September 1939.

@Sturmpfeil

2 жыл бұрын

These were the gains during operation Barbarossa.

@kubaswiton9030

2 жыл бұрын

I mean yeah, but then The Third Reich betrayed the Soviet Union and started a war with it. Due to that they actually did have all of Poland until the Polish Underground State and the Soviets "regained it back".

@mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting! I know that, apart from, perhaps, the whole Nazi episode, it is mostly Russia which has caused Poland trouble, rather than Germany....

@INecr0

2 жыл бұрын

True. Germany and Soviet Union agreed on the issue of attacking and dividing Poland between themselves on August 23, 1939 in the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact ... later they implemented provisions of that pact - the Third Reich by invading Poland on September 1, and the USSR on September 17.

@universemultiverse3699

Жыл бұрын

Idiot, what about Germany and Poland grab land from Czechoslovakia after Munich agreement? Poland annexed Zaolzie. USSR just take back their territories up to Curzon line which was demarcation line between USSR and Poland and which was broken by Poland earlier.

This makes my family tree make more sense. My great-great grandparents lived in Danzig until they moved to Kansas in the 1880s. It was part of Prussia at the time, but is now part of Poland.

@ximonq

Жыл бұрын

your last name is polish though

@kandipiatkowski8589

Жыл бұрын

@@ximonq that's my married name. My family who came from Danzig had the last name Coerber (my mom's maiden name). My now-ex-husband's ancestors are polish.

@ximonq

Жыл бұрын

@@kandipiatkowski8589 i see, have a nice day, greetings from Poland :)

@j.l.d2918

Жыл бұрын

@@ximonq my last name is also a slavic last name even though im from germany

@ximonq

Жыл бұрын

@@j.l.d2918 yeah, we mixed a lot, in Poland there are a lot of people with german surnames too

Prussia united Germany, similar to how Muscovite did Russia and Ottomans did Turkey. Its always fun to research about the historical development of modern nations

@lioneldemun6033

2 жыл бұрын

Prussia is now Polish/Russia save Brandenburg

@countsudoku6305

2 жыл бұрын

historical development of almost entire eastern europe: blood and suffering

@reintaler6355

2 жыл бұрын

@@countsudoku6305 of the entire world*

@Zephyr-of-Ilus

2 жыл бұрын

Before Prussia was the holy Roman empire which was dominated by German states

@lioneldemun6033

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zephyr-of-Ilus Exactly.

>General Knowledge posts a video >Day instantly becomes better

Prussia is not Germany. Please do your research before putting so much work in editing your videos. The thumbnail and very start of the video shows a fundamental lack of historic background. You should read about the history of the Kingdom of the East Franks, which later becomes the Holy Roman Empire. This is the most plausible starting point for your map comparison. Prussia wasn't even Part of the Holy Roman Empire. Not untill the Hohenzoller (also not Prussian, but Brandenburgian) gained control of Prussia. They used these lands outside of the HRE to rise from Duchy to Kingdom, since there couldn't be more than one King within the HRE.

i always love your content! thanks for this! i would say, however, it would be wonderful if you could get a solid pop filter for your mic, as listening through this there are some plosive pops that are a bit distracting. nonetheless, great video :)

3:47 It's ironic that Poland gave sovereignety to Prussia for the military aid in the Northern War with the Swedes, only to be partitioned by them a 154, 175 and 177 years later alongside Austria and Russia. And then again in 1939 alongside the Soviet Union.

@INecr0

2 жыл бұрын

Also, in 1683 Poland liberated Vienna from the Ottoman siege, and less than a hundred years later Austria "thanked" Poland by partitioning it two times together with Prussia and Russia.

@maxmusterman7620

2 жыл бұрын

@@INecr0 Poles got snitched

@INecr0

2 жыл бұрын

@@maxmusterman7620 For what i by whom?

Maybe the video shouldn't be called "territorial evolution of Germany" but "how Prussia became Germany". Because the way you depict it is rather teleological (quite a barbaric word to say that you start your story where it ends and not where it begins. Usually, that way of thinking leads to invert causes and consequences and to assume things were meant to happen that way for the sake of the finality, missing important prerequisits in the process). Here, the mistake is particularly strong, because 1. it completely erases the Holy Roman Empire that fancies itself as "germanic" since the XIIIth Century. We can clearly say that it was some protonational "Germany" lying underneath it. 2. As you told us, the name Prussia is the result of the Elector of Brandenburg inheriting Prussia. But clearly, the main title was the one of Brandenburg... It became Prussia as a compromise since the Elector wanted a royal title, the Emperor was eager to oblige but didn't want it to wear the name of a place inside the HRE... So, only solution : pick a name of a Hohenzollern possession out of the HRE. That's typically how the teleological mistake is done : the name "Prussia" lured you to think the original duchy of Prussia came to dominate Germany. But, in fact, it's the other way around. Teutonic knights went to Prussia, then, they collapsed and a powerfull german prince took over the title and part of the territory there, then the German prince, who was still very very German, dropped the German title for the Prussian one to be called a king... But still: he was German, his dynasty was German and the heartland of his kingdom was German... It was just a change of name. So, yes, most of what you say in your video is right, but no, it is not an evolution of Germany

@rubenrelvamoniz

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I studied German history and culture. The first reich is the holly Roman empire.

@TheLocalLt

Жыл бұрын

You are downplaying the role of East Prussia and the Baltics, as Königsberg and the surrounding Junker estates were the spiritual home of the whole Prussian project, such as being the site of Prussian coronations, and later of the German Realm, especially during and after WWI, and into WWII. There was a great linkage in German propaganda during both wars between things like the Battle of Tannenburg from 1410 and the Battle of Tannenburg from 1914, and of course many of the Junker elites had their estates in East Prussia. During WWII, the entire concept of a “Drive to the East” for “Living Space” came from what was seen as a failed revival in WWI of the original “East Settling” by the Germanic Order. This referenced Germany’s eventual recapture by 1918 of the entire Baltic region for the first time in hundreds of years and put the Baltic Germans nobility back in full control, only to have their victorious army rolled back after the Nov 11 armistice in the west; this rollback was a huge part of the “Stab in the Back” concept. Adding to this is when Germany returned to Latvia in 1919 to fight the Bolsheviks, they recruited soldiers with the promise of settlement in the “Wild East” and set up the Baltic Germans again in power in Riga, only to have the allies withdraw their support once it was clear the Bolsheviks had given up on the Baltic, resulting in an Estonian and Latvian victory over the Germans and their eventual withdrawal from Latvia; this was sort of a second “Stab in the Back” and many of the Freikorpsman who were denied their promised plots in Courland went on to become early supporters of the Nazi Party, for its “Living Space” proposal for the East, and its “Stab in the Back” theory about the rollback from the East in 1918-19, as well as its virulent anti-Bolshevism. This all then played a part in the decision to allow Königsberg and East Prussia to be given to Poland and the Soviet Union, and the removal of all Germans from these and other eastern areas: it was seen by the Americans and British as the heart of Prussian militarism and the warhawk Junker aristocracy.

@francoisdebellefroid2268

Жыл бұрын

@@TheLocalLt I didn't say it wasn't important. My point is elsewhere. I just said Germany was a concept existing before the 2nd reich and not the result of an expansion of Prussia but more the result of an expansion of the Brandenburg's dynasty of Hohenzollern which heartland was definitely the Berlin area. So, the mindset of starting from "royal Prussia" to describe German unification is, in my opinion, false. That doesn't mean the acquisition of Prussia by the Hohenzollern didn't play a big role in promoting their power.

@TheLocalLt

Жыл бұрын

@@francoisdebellefroid2268 I agree with your point about Germany it’s absolutely correct this video is way off, but I also feel you downplay the importance of East Prussia when compared to Berlin, during the first years of Hohenzollern rule in Brandenburg it was a landlocked wasteland devastated by war, while the Prussian branch had the old Hanseatic trading port of Königsberg. Once peace came to Brandenburg and the two royal branches merged, Berlin began to be more powerful but still retained the legacy of the Germanic Order State, such as the colors black and white, and the spirit of conquest. Later after taking over all of Germany it used that Knightly imagery as much as, if not more than, the imagery of the old Roman imperial legacy which the Habsburgs had used during their centuries ruling Germany

Would you do a video of an what if German empire annex/united Austria to form gearter germany before WW1.????

Loved this video, thank you

I think the german danish border after WW1 should be mentioned seperated, because the border line was not drawn by the Versailles Treaty, it was an election in the Schleswig territory in 1919 resulting in the seperation of Schleswig into Südschleswig and Sönderjylland. Until today this border is the only one elected by the people living in the area.

@filipieja6997

2 жыл бұрын

I visited the Schleswig Castle too...

@General.Knowledge

2 жыл бұрын

I didn't know that! Thanks

@mathskafunda4383

2 жыл бұрын

@@General.Knowledge Even Silesia and East Prussia also had referendums to join the new state of Poland. Both of them profusely voted to be part of Germany.

@mathskafunda4383

2 жыл бұрын

Even Silesia and East Prussia also had referendums to join the new state of Poland. Both of them profusely voted to be part of Germany.

@sirstamfordraffles6557

2 жыл бұрын

Not the only one. Saarland had a referendum in 1957 about rejoining Germany.

Much as it discomforts me to add to an already fairly loud chorus of dissent, I must say this seems a departure - albeit an unusual one, in defence of our charming and diligent host - from the usual high standards of historical accuracy and critical analysis which are normally a feature of this channel's output. As it stands, it seems there was uncertainty as to whether the aim was to delve into the formation and development of the Kingdom of Germany - or to give us a history of Prussia! To my mind, had the basic idea been to expand one particular entity, to keep it slightly simpler and focussed - as happened with Prussia in this film - it would have been far better to start with East Francia, resulting from the splitting of Charlemagne's empire, which, very simplistically, became Germany, France and Italy. Not only did this happen at least 300 years before the beginnings of "Prussia" emerged, since we are after all talking "origin stories", I would also contend East Francia makes a much better geographical case as a progenitor of the German Kingdom, given that East Francia, as was, is more or less still Gernany today - while Prussia, correspondingly, was really mostly where Poland now is! Finally, and yes sure, it's true the Hohenzollerns, the Electors of Brandenburg (with that territory comfortably in today's Germany) effectively merged with Prussia in the early 17th Century but a) that's miles later than the story of "Germany" actually begins b) the previously mentioned sheer territorial extent of East Francia and c) the perhaps even more significant linguistic and cultural ties between the constituent parts of East Francia, namely Bavaria, Swabia and Saxony - all conspire to make East Francia a better place to start, when talking about Germany's development, than Prussia. 😏❤

@sirstamfordraffles6557

2 жыл бұрын

Wait-What cultural and linguistic ties are there between Swabia, Bavaria and Saxony?-They all have different dialects, customs and traditions afaik.

@Menwulf20

7 ай бұрын

​@@sirstamfordraffles6557they speak German

Very interesting video. Congrats!

Germany did actually briefly occupy the Baltics during WW1: Lithuania and Courland in 1915, then added Livonia and Estonia in 1918, then were forced to withdraw as part of the armistice, but they did occupy Courland again briefly in 1919. Also in WWII Germany did actually officially annex a few of their occupied territories, notably Alsace-Lorraine, Danzig, West Prussia, Pomerania, Posen, and parts of Silesia

@adolfmauser6582

7 ай бұрын

Germany could not have annexed Pomerania in WWII because it already belonged to them. No part of Pomerania was stolen from them in the treaty of Versailles.

holy ahoot ur content has improved so much in wuality

This was a very interesting video.

Wow. This made my hurt but still a great video!

After WW2 the Saarland was taken away from Germany in a similar fashion as in WW1, and a few years after the war, they voted to join Germany again

Hi generalknowledge!

@General.Knowledge

2 жыл бұрын

Hi!

I'm usually a fan of your videos, but in this case the narrative is too simplistic, trying to create a one-country-expands narrative that focussed just on the term Prussia, rather than the much more complicated political and historical maze that was the HRE, its electors, and the concept of nationhood in a feudal world of loose and shifting political unions before nationalism existed. Also, a line of narrative that focusses so much on the importance of Prussia as a territory and its conquest by the Teutonic order should also follow the thread back further to the Teutonic Order itself, and then would need to explore its origins before it went on the Eastern Crusade, which in turn leads back to both the Holy Land and core HRE lands. Also, Brandenburg-Preußen arose from the dynastic diplomacy of the Brandenburg branch or the Hohenzollern dynasty (and a number of deaths that were very timely and convenient for that branch of the family), which itself originated not in Brandenburg but in Schwaben (Swabia) in south-western Germany and took over Brandenburg in 1411 thereby becoming electors. Either the origin and historical development of the electorate of Brandenburg or the dynastic machinations of the Hohenzollerns would have been a more accurate representation of the state craft and power politics behind the origins of the Prussia that would later unify Germany rather than just following the name Prussia pre-1618/1701. The skip from Roman times straight to Eastern Crusade also leaves out so much relevant history. Even if we skip over the united East Francia under the Karolingians, the history here should start with Otto I and the founding of the HRE along with the creation of the title Rex Teutonicus (King of the Germans). The history of the HRE and the Regnum Teutonicum within it are a lot less clear-cut and require many more qualifying statements, but would make for a more realistic discussion of the territorial history of Germany pre-Prussia. There was also the struggle of particularly the Staufer dynasty of Emperors and Kings of the Germans that tried, almost succeeded, and ultimately failed to create a more coherent centralised German kingdom (similar to France at the time). Also, prior to unification in 1871 there was already the Deutsche Bund a confederation of German states from 1815 onward, and 1848-49 there was a short-lived united democratic Germany that always seems to be forgotten. The whole concept of Regnum Teutonicum/Real of the German-speaking peoples becomes very relevant again later on during the creation of the German Empire, and again for justifications for the Anschluss. That entire period makes a lot more sense with the context of whether there should be a "Kleindeutsche Lösung" or a "Großdeutsche Lösung" (small or large German solution) to unification, which crucially involved the concept of all realms of German-speaking peoples i.e. whether all land of German peoples should be united or Austria should be left out despite being part of what was traditionally the Regnum Teutonicum. TLDR: Videos on German history pre-mid-19th century are always a mountain of asterisks upon asterisks with a much less clear-cut narrative than other large European countries.

@sirstamfordraffles6557

2 жыл бұрын

Not to forget that a Hohenzollern branch also owned large swaths of Franconia.

It‘s a deep misconception of German history to see the country as an extension of Prussia.

@Dark-ts3ox

2 жыл бұрын

Bavaria was and will never be Prussia so Germany cant be an extension of Prussia.

@PAJA63

Жыл бұрын

This is a simplified version of history, only telling the story of Prussia's part in (re)making Germany. Considering this limited perspective, it's a good try.

I would rather say that if you see Prussia as the origin of the German state, the region of origin is Brandenburg or at least Brandenburg and Prussia equally. After all it was the elector of Brandenburg who wanted to rule Prussia and created the kingdom of Brandenburg-Prussia.

Can you do a territorial evolution of Brazil? I would love to see.

@General.Knowledge

2 жыл бұрын

Sim!

This is very intresting, I love to see other European countries as well, as some of the brooders changes a lot since 13th century

A territorial evolution of iranian (persian) border would be nice. Since it's such an underrated nation in media.

Unnecessary and woefully abstract, but I’d like to one day learn more about the Kingdom of Germany or “German Kingdom” within the Holy Roman Empire.

Suggestion: Countries that used to hate another country but now Loves that country or just do the opposite idk

I think you should have included the Germanic tribes because its the reason germany has so many ways to say its name (like Tyskland, Germania, Deutschland etc) and you mostly talked about prussia which dosent make alot of sense considering there are many other countrys too you didnt include like West francia and the H.R.E which was mostly rules by germans.

@sirstamfordraffles6557

2 жыл бұрын

East Francia. West Francia would be modern day France.

@TheMemeEnjoyer09

2 жыл бұрын

@@sirstamfordraffles6557 Yes you are right. I meant to say East Francia

@soewenue

Жыл бұрын

Most germans would say that the german history starts on the 10th august 955 in Augsburg, me included. Sometimes also between the 10th an 12th century when regnen teutonicum was a thing. Also sometimes Charlemagne or Ludwig the German. If we talk about a german nation in form of a national state we should start at the wars of liberation against napoleon, where big waves of nationalism came about german people or in 1848 where the first german national state was created which lasted for nearly 2 years. I haven't ever heard this shit of Prussia as start of germany, except in American documentaries or if u ask people from Brandenburg or Berlin who really believe this rubbish.

@sebe2255

Жыл бұрын

The tribes don’t really contribute to the modern German state though

Not an expert (since I watch videos like this one) but to say Germany originated from (East) Prussia seems odd. The German state (among many) that came to be known as the Kingdom of Prussia has its roots in Brandenburg - a territory which lies in Germany today.

@adolfmauser6582

7 ай бұрын

I would say it's more accurate to say that Brandenburg became a part of Prussia, rather than vice versa. While their union may have been equal at first. The emphasis in both the rulers' mindsets and in military strength always was on Prussia. Also consider that Brandenburg-Prussia's capitol was Königsberg, not Berlin. Prussia most certainly has its roots in the Teutonic Order (or ducal Prussia), or at the very least its roots are in equal parts Brandenburg and ducal Prussia.

the German empire had the nicest border in the history

Nijemci još uvijek ne žive u jedinstvenoj državi. Tu su još Švicarska, Austrija, Luksemburg, dijelovi Belgije, Francuske, Južni Tirol u Italiji i još neke teritorije.

Brandenburg was always the more important part of Brandenburg-Prussia. Prussia was there to provide the crown.

@adolfmauser6582

7 ай бұрын

Then why was the capitol Königsberg and not Berlin?

@MrTohawk

7 ай бұрын

@@adolfmauser6582 It wasn't? Königsberg was a regional administrative capital. The main seat of government was Berlin. Berlin Palace first and later Sanssouci.

German territory was given to Poland because the Soviets needed somewhere to put all the Poles they had expelled from Polish territory annexed by the Soviet Union.

@mikesmith7517

Жыл бұрын

Where is ur germany? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Poland#/media/File:Polska_992_-_1025.png

@mikesmith7517

Жыл бұрын

These lands were returned to Poland not given

@JustFun-wl3jf

Жыл бұрын

@@mikesmith7517 Okay, but makes it the fact better that the Russians annexed polish territory ?

@costamcostam8961

Жыл бұрын

@@mikesmith7517 that's still not the reason why soviets gave them to Poland. Also having territory 1000 years ago isn't really valid claim. Galicia in 1945 was more polish than western Pommerania ever was.

@robertab929

Жыл бұрын

@@costamcostam8961 Germans should be happy that their state is not limited to just West Germany. At the beginning of German history the border with Slavic tribes was on river Elbe. Due to germanizations efforts they gained a lot of land in the meantime. However, stealing land and germanization should never be accepted.

Video unavailable on device. 5:51 AM EST, 28 May 2022.

Fun fact: spruce comes from polish word "z Prus" which means from Prussia.

@Leo-uu8du

2 жыл бұрын

My etymological English dictionary says it comes from Old French or from medieval Latin meaning Prussia. It is further assumed to be of Old Prussian origin, but there is no written evidence. Another thing I found on the internet is that the Polish origin is said to be very unlikely. It's stated there that the similarities work with modern Polish, but not with its ancestors. I don't know modern Polish, nor Middle or Old Polish, so I cannot verify that source at all. Could also be complete bullshit.

In the beginning it was 'always ask for more'. Just later ended bad.

Why can't I watch this video? Not on my PC, not on my TV and not on my mobile?? It just says: The video is unavailable on this device.

2:47Holy😱 I didn't think I want to live anymore (Also can I get a link)

This video is unavailable on this device. I have an iPhone 13 pro max, how’s this possible?

You could've takrn one or two more minutes to clarify some stuff about for example the HRE or the seven years war (silesian wars)

I just came here from Armchair Historian's video on Prussia

3:27 BrandeNburg, not "Brandeburg" (also misspelled in some of your other videos)

Hello hello, could you do a similar video with Poland? I think it would be interesting.

@dr.v.rumpler5230

Жыл бұрын

i am interested of the real origin of slavs in eastern europe, wholhynia?

What is the map at 0:33? I cant think of a time that Europe looked like this.

@jml732

2 жыл бұрын

Looks like an alt. history map

little things you missed, but important: The Holy Roman Empire was succeeded by the german conferderation for a short time, than a group of people tried 1848 for the first time to unite germany as a complete state (see also march revolution), but failed. it is shown on ur maps, but as u report some things out of order: the empire was founded 1871. and everyone was invested in not created a big new power, while austria and prussia fought those proxy wars to decide who would lead the nation building as they would never merge. so yeah, our country is technically only 73 years old (and if you count the empire as kinda beginning, also just 152 years).

@lydiamacintyre3729

2 жыл бұрын

Hi, found your comment!

@UndefeatableTwilightCatgirl

2 жыл бұрын

Me too!

@zoomerboomer1396

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think one can say the country is 152 years old. If you use country as a synonym for state then you have to start in 1949 and if you use it as a synonym for nation then it's much older than 152 years. In my opinion even says 32 years is logically more consistent than 152 years

@otakuofmine

2 жыл бұрын

@@zoomerboomer1396 It is complicated, I personally count 1949 and thats used as one jubilee. True, our national day is the reunification - but tells you that it was that, not the founding of a new state.

@zoomerboomer1396

2 жыл бұрын

@@otakuofmine Yeah i would count 1949 but at the same time it's a bit of a German only thing. For example i'm from Switzerland and here folks say our country is over 800 years old because of a military allience between 3 states in 1291. I think most countries define their age more like Switzerland but you guys in Germany have a bit of a bad history with claiming origins in old times so i think just opting for 1949 is fair play.

Very well done video! Could you do a territorial evolution of Italy next?

Territorial evolution of argentina next please

plz make a video of germans before prussia 1300 would appreciate it, thx

German empire will never be repeated

I wonder why the map at 07:23 decided to use the correct non-anglicized names for Swedish cities, but the capital of Denmark is still anglicized 🤔

@adolfmauser6582

7 ай бұрын

Stockholm is the the same anglicanized or not

hi, i have a question: do you set your videos as made for kids, not made for kids and restrict for kids or not made for kids and not restrict for kids?

The quality of these videos never fails to amaze me! :-)

@robertab929

Жыл бұрын

This episode is unfortunately failing to show whole history of Germany. The history shown here is not full and conclusions are partly false.

I'm sorry but the idea that Germany or the Germans spawned from Prussia or that geographic area is just wrong. Prussia used to be a German colony much like Portugal (at the time Lusitania) was for the Italians.

@puchokoffie8152

Жыл бұрын

Wrong

There is also a german video about this but it starts in 18th century

why is this video unavailable for me?

Prussia is not Germany, it is a part of Germany. Just because Prussia led the German Empire we shouldn't therefore assume that it's basically Germany before Germany.

@seifsaaed8144

2 жыл бұрын

"Prussia" ceased to exist as a political entity in 1947.

@spiffygonzales5160

2 жыл бұрын

@@seifsaaed8144 Yes, and it Germany didn't exist at all when it was founded

Holy Roman Empire being Far away North from anything that really was part of the real Roman Empire is something so crazy

@Sonnee91

2 жыл бұрын

They fight to destroy Rome all time and when they did it they call them holly roman empire(hypocrites)🤔

Can you do Jordan?

Prussia is a part of Germany, but Prussia is certainly not proto-Germany in the sense that the rest wasn't Germany before it came to Prussia. Actually it's truer the other way 'round: Some of the eastern parts of Germany like Prussia and Silesia were Baltic or Slavic and became German through German settlers intermingling with the locals.

@mimisbrunnr9956

Жыл бұрын

Technically, Germanic tribes lived up to the Vitsula, which would mean most of Poland. Slavs arrived in the 8th or 9th century. The setup is essentially the same as the Turks and Constantinople. I believe in the 12th century they resettled Silesia and Pommern, and to an extent Brandenburg, Austria, and even Bohemia. Prussia for the most part was inhabited by Balts, the Old Prussians until it was colonized, so it was weird be used a picture of Old Baltic Prussia as the "origin" when the proto Germany was the Königsreich von Deutschland, Deutsches Bund, Rhinish Confederation, or even 1848-49 revolution

@puchokoffie8152

Жыл бұрын

Wrong

why is this video not available on pc

Good video, but you made no mention of the Soviet takeover of Königsberg (aka northern East Prussia, now Russia's Kaliningrad Oblast), and the post-WWII re-occupation of the Saarland (which lasted until 1957 after another referendum).

@dr.v.rumpler5230

Жыл бұрын

so u could also put in there stettin, its west of oder border

Hello!

The premise is problematic. The German state didn't emerge from Prussia as Prussia was a Eastern frontier colonized by the Teutonic order which derived from the old German (holy Roman) empire.

2:54 anyone mind telling me what year Europe looked like this ?

Soooou, fighting against all at the same time has a long tradition 🙂

It seemed like a good movie with a happy ending

Why isn't " This video unavailable on my device" ? it's a bloody laptop

Next video: Alt dvoloution of germanh territorial claims or What country has the highest HDI?

cool

the house of hohenzolern ( dont know if its wrote right ) also ruled over romania

Nice synopsis! I think it’s funny that Bavarians and Austrians to this day refer to the rest of the Germans as Prussians! Question are there any connections between Scotts, Texans and Bavarians? They all seem to share distinct pride in their states.

Hello :D

As someone whose family had lived in Germany for over a thousand years, until 1940, the place they lived is in Brandenburg, but they are not or were never considered Prussian. They were completely German. Even though my great grandma was born in what is now Poland and my grandfather was also born in a Polish city, they were not Polish or Prussian. They were German. In fact, my grandma, and her brother, both of whom are still alive, are 100% German, according to their DNA tests they have taken the past few years.

@metanoian965

9 ай бұрын

A lizards saliva sample was sent to 23andme - after the test it was shown to be 51% Ashkenazi weJ. your gran and her bro could be lizards ?

@adolfmauser6582

7 ай бұрын

Prussians are German

Make territorial evolution for Turkey

As a person of Prussian descent, Gott schütze Preußen

@Angelic_Vanguard

2 жыл бұрын

Christian Prussians, not pagan Prussians

@HahnJames

2 жыл бұрын

I think that pagan Prussians need saving just as well.

@Angelic_Vanguard

2 жыл бұрын

@@HahnJames No I meant my heritage when I said that, if there are any more pagan Prussians I do hope they are saved

@HsienKoMeiLingFormerYANG

2 жыл бұрын

@@HahnJames Pagan long gone.

I love how Prussia/German Empire and Austria had a rivalry even tho that they had the same language lol

Germany just before ww2 was huge. If it existed today i think it would even match china and usa levels gdp

@przemek3710

2 жыл бұрын

Or If they will created German-Polish Union 😂. That country will by pretty interest

@njordholm

Жыл бұрын

With EU history in mind, it would be more german-french or if you like french-german union instead of german-polish union... and we would have country of 'Karl dem Großen' again.

Wow, why did you omit the reason why the Knights were invited or asked to conquer Prusia?

6:06 but PLC didnt collapased it was partitioned

Wow. I feel like my education is truly "murica'd". I had no clue the US, which I've always considered a baby country, is effectively older than and resemblance of modern Germany. I even too AP world history and we didn't learn jack about how unstable European statehood was. I am so shocked, my history education has truly failed me here. I'm debating auditing a damn history course now because I feel like skipping college history might have done me dirty now

You know now you have to do every country that was larger or smaller and lost or gain territory. I will be waiting with popcorn.

i'd argue that the origins of germany was brandenburg instead of prussia, though the name eventually changed to prussia, the capital was still berlin, the ruling dynast was the hohenzollerns, and without brandenburg prussia probably would've been swallowed into poland and later, russia. but anyway, i enjoyed the video, keep it up

@marmac83

Жыл бұрын

Wait, Prussia was swallowed into Poland and Russia.

@adolfmauser6582

7 ай бұрын

The capitol was Königsberg. It was only moved to Berlin in 1871 to have a more geographically central position. Also the Hohenzollerns ruled in both ducal Prussia and in Brandenburg before their union. If you want to get technical about the Hohenzollerns, though, they were actually from very far southern Germany.

@_MrOtto

7 ай бұрын

@@adolfmauser6582 fair, though i've never heard of the capital being konigsberg ever since the two united. If it were wouldn't they have surrendered to the russians in the seven years' war?

Some of the land. SOME.

good video.

do Turkey next

Can we talk about, that the treaty was just shit? And I say that as a polish man.

What about Arminius / Hermann der Cherusker? No mentioning in the video and no comment about that. Would be interested about your thoughts.

@walther2492

Жыл бұрын

Why? This has nothing to do with topic of the video.

@njordholm

Жыл бұрын

@Walther In this time, the roman empire stopped expanding towards german territories, as they lost approx. 1/8 of their troops in the battle called Varusschlacht. Later on, they built a wall called Limes at their border. This was important, as only parts left of the river Rhein of nower Germany was a province of the empire. So the other parts never were romanized with influences to their language e.g. In ancient times this territory north of the roman empire was called "Germania Magna". Sure there was no unique country like today, as the germans were organized in tribes, but you could consider this as the very early beginning which leads to todays Germany with its states (and landscapes within) still called after theses formations... "Sachsen, Bayern, Hessen, Schwaben, Franken, Friesen, Holstein, Thüringen" e.g. or the whole country after the "Alemanen". During the time of Prussia mentioned in this video, the humanists called Arminus den "ersten Deutschen", the first German in their glorification and built a collassal statue for him in the "Teutoburger Wald".

@walther2492

Жыл бұрын

@@njordholm I know about him and the history of Germany, but as I said, he has nothing to do with the territorial evolution of Germany. Germany is not Germania, and Germania is not Germany. On best accounts, he would be responsible for the territorial evolution of Francia, the predecessor of the Holy Roman Empire. But even this is highly debated in historian circles. And btw: It weren't the humanists who called him the "the first German", but the nationalists. During the unification of Germany in the 19th century, Arminius was hailed as a symbol of German unity and freedom and became an emblem of the revival of German nationalism fueled by the Napoleonic Wars.

@njordholm

Жыл бұрын

@Walther Ich war nicht persönlich dabei, aber diverse Quellen deuten darauf hin, dass bereits vor den Nationalsozialisten vom ersten Deutschen gesprochen wurde. "Uwe Puschner „Hermann, der erste Deutsche“ oder: Germanenfürst mit politischem Auftrag Der Arminius-Mythos im 19. und 20. Jahrhundert ... Die Beschäftigung mit dem römisch sozialisierten Cheruskerfürsten und die Ursprünge seiner Mythisierung reichen über das 19. Jahrhundert bis zum Beginn des 16. Jahrhunderts zurück. Zu seiner folgenreichen politischen Entfaltung gelangte der variantenreiche und damit unterschiedlichen zeitgenössischen Anforderungen sich anverwandelnde Arminius-Mythos jedoch erst drei Jahrhunderte später, und zwar in der napoleonischen Ära zu Beginn des 19. Jahrhunderts. Jetzt stieg Arminius zum Nationalheros empor. Als „Römerbesieger“ und „erste[r] bekannte[r] große[r] Teutsche[r]“ erhielt er 1842 einen zweifachen Ehrenplatz in der Walhalla: Mit diesem Parthenon auf dem Hochufer der Donauunweit Regensburgs wollte der bayerische König Ludwig I. „rühmlich ausgezeichneten Teutschen“ein Denkmal errichten, aus dem - so sein Wunsch - „teutscher der Teutsche ... trete, besser, als er ge-kommen“.2 2 Walhalla’s Genossen, geschildert durch Ludwig den Ersten vonBayern, den Gründer Walhalla’s, München, 2. Aufl. 1847,Zit. VII." Gefunden auf: doi.org/10.1515/9783110282511.257 Ebenso im Wikipedia Eintrag, etc.

@njordholm

Жыл бұрын

@@walther2492 de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanismus "Vom humanistischen Erbe zum Neuhumanismus ... Während die französische humanistische Tradition die griechische Antike zwar nicht unbeachtet ließ, aber doch ungleich stärker das Römertum favorisierte, erwachte in bildungsorientierten Kreisen in England und besonders in Deutschland im 18. Jahrhundert ein vehementes Interesse an altgriechischer Kunst und Kultur. Zur Erklärung dieser besonderen Vorliebe kommen mehrere Faktoren in Betracht: Anders als im Falle Frankreichs hatte sich das Römische Reich nur auf Teile des späteren Deutschland erstreckt; die Anfänge deutscher Geschichte wurden mit der Befreiung der Germanen von römischer Herrschaft verknüpft. " So wie ich das verstehe, haben sich die Humanisten doch mit dieser Materie beschäftigt.

my last name is hohenzollern and you can‘t imagine how often i get asked if i know how brandenburg and germany was found..,

8:10 - Austrian Empire: Where is Kingdom of Bohemia and Margraviate of Moravia?

At least seven athletic clubs in the Rhineland, notably Dortmund's and Mönchengladach's, are called "Borussia", the Latin name for Prussia. What's that about?

@mimisbrunnr9956

Жыл бұрын

They were apart of Prussia when they were established. I can only think of the two though.