The Sleepers discuss the latest in the Terrence Shannon Jr. trial
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@kanyeasadaa352525 күн бұрын
Appreciate you guys having the balls on covering a topic that is tough to discuss. I think your points throughout the entirety of the case have been fair, non biased and a good representation of how larger media channels should have gone about the case . Kudos to you guys
@marklynn399425 күн бұрын
The police were investigating a similar incident that happened two weeks earlier in the same room at the same bar and never even put two and two together to think the cases might be related. Guess who was involved in the case they were investigating? One Arterio Morris--who just happened to be in the room standing next to McCullar at the exact time that Shannon is accused of this incident. The alleged victim thought Shannon was standing next to McCullar. It wasn't Shannon. She allegedly ID'd Shannon after looking at team pictures on the internet. She didn't see Morris's picture on the KU team page because he had already been dismissed from the team after multiple sexual assault allegations. Morris also has colored dreads. This was all uncovered by the defense not the Lawrence PD. This case never should have been charges much less brought to trial. You guys have done a good job covering this in a fair manner.
@lexwaldez
25 күн бұрын
Okay. That's just WILD. How has that not been explained more fully in the press???
@PatchesOhoulihan15925 күн бұрын
So many inconsistencies in her story, & those messages with the money emojis are telling! She lied period
@legalfictionnaturalfact3969
24 күн бұрын
For all you know, it is completely fake, sweetheart. Don't believe everything you hear on the news. I bet you think wwf is real too.
@crim4425 күн бұрын
Jersey should be in the rafters at State Farm Center. Statistically he was a first team AA and I think that is pretty objective. So many accolades were taken from him including his reputation.
@Hawk-mb6em25 күн бұрын
Wild a 10 second encounter in a bar can be called rape.
@legalfictionnaturalfact3969
24 күн бұрын
Yes, believe what bro said. Because scumbags always tell the truth. LOL
@Hawk-mb6em
24 күн бұрын
What’s that. That a rape can occur in 10 seconds ? LOL. ..
@HARVEY_1988
24 күн бұрын
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969Dude mad😂😂😂😂. Go cry somewhere else kid
@theone-ds7iz
24 күн бұрын
Lock her up! It was a different guy.
@Fgh-ng3qu
24 күн бұрын
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969oh you know him personally?
@VegasSportsGaming25 күн бұрын
I was done when it was found out in trial that so called “victim”and her friends were sending Text messages back and forth to each other with Dollar sign emojis and saying that they got him along with the shitty rush to judgment by the Lawrence Kansas police department and the County prosecutor. Whole thing is a railroad job
@johnnyrepp732825 күн бұрын
NOT GUILTY. TSJ has been freed.
@legalfictionnaturalfact3969
24 күн бұрын
He's free until the next time he does it.
@johnnyrepp7328
24 күн бұрын
@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 number 1. He didn't do it. That is quite clear to even a toddler so you will be waiting your lifetime before he does it the first time.
@desmondkaczynski8190
22 күн бұрын
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969why u want him to be guilty so bad? Do something with your life bum
@MBMCG
22 күн бұрын
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969Won’t be an issue because he did NOTHING to her. Not too worried about a repeat of nothing. Btw, if he actually HAD done something to her, I would fully support whatever punishment the court thought appropriate.
@snapon2925 күн бұрын
You guys covered it better than Garbage Parrish and Matt Norlander of CBS Sports so good on you guys. Those two clowns are a different story
@orod5577
25 күн бұрын
I'm so glad someone brought up GP and Norlander...I could be wrong, (haven't listened to that podcast since it came out) but I'm pretty sure GP said "Innocent until proven guilty is just what dumb sports fans say"..Dude legitimately shat on a or THE cornerstone of American justice system and basically just said he meant that within the context of sport....dude is garbage
@gregrobbins3170
25 күн бұрын
That Parish podcast was so horrible, I couldn’t even listen to them anymore either. It was better if he kept his nasty opinions to himself than speak out of ignorance.
@snapon29
25 күн бұрын
@@orod5577 Agree 100%. That guy is an utter disgrace and used his platform for evil
@jdspencr
25 күн бұрын
@@orod5577wasn't it GP's podcast where he was getting excited by the word rape and ended up shouting it for emphasis?
If this was 1940, sadly, TSJ would have suffered the Emmitt Till treatment. And that is not being funny at all.
@patrick05Morgan
22 күн бұрын
Exactly
@jeffreyfightingillini25 күн бұрын
You gotta dig into the prosecutors back round that's why the charges were brought.
@sterlingarcher9208
25 күн бұрын
She's willing to destroy an innocent person's life to salvage her failed career?! SHE MUST RESIGN
@andy_in_colorado7060
24 күн бұрын
@@sterlingarcher9208 And also have other cases she's prosecuted looked at, and possibly be on the hook for "deprivation of civil rights under color of law".
@champsnike25 күн бұрын
It took 6 months, but congrats on finally getting to the point where you understand what the charge actually was (not the common definition of what 'rape' is).....could have just read the court filing. back in January
@chadh530025 күн бұрын
A lot of purdue fans owe this young man an apology. F purdue
@brianstidd1164
24 күн бұрын
Ok so does Illinois fans owe Gillis an apology? F you too!
@andy_in_colorado7060
24 күн бұрын
Why single out Purdue fans? I'm a Purdue fan and it was apparent to me within 24 hours of the initial accusation that it was likely total BS. Every single opposing crowd was horrible to him throughout the season, but in no way would I have ever taken part in that. Also, most of the Purdue fans I talked to throughout the season were like "yeah he's getting railroaded".
@brandonutterback378925 күн бұрын
Duke lacross team were all white IIRC and went through the same thing.
@chasestredic
25 күн бұрын
I REMEMBER THAT LIKE IT WAS YESTERDAY
@topdad-dawg834
24 күн бұрын
Are they still whyte? Or did they have to return their privilege?
@user-io4sr7vg1v
20 күн бұрын
slightly different in that they actually paid a prostitute, in this story the accused did not engage in any untoward behavior of any kind
@jamalbanks513624 күн бұрын
Can’t she be sued for defamation? This crazy what would make them do that
@Sleezedog3425 күн бұрын
Nice video there’s a great article in the Chicago tribune that shows additional details to the case
@jzpat25 күн бұрын
I’m just starting the video. I am very glad you are covering this. And I hoping you guys are taking away what I took away from seeing the evidence. Falsely accused and was robbed from an all American season.
@LegacyDrummer25 күн бұрын
You don't owe an obligation to cover this, especially to any of the ass hats on twitter. Still glad to see you cover it
@PatchesOhoulihan159
25 күн бұрын
It's basketball related
@jzpat
25 күн бұрын
Yes there is especially since it was major mainstream news in the college basketball world. And they had covered it. It’s important to speak on this because so many out there found him guilty before due process.
@chrismeyer889925 күн бұрын
Good videos for people who are not aware of what’s happened. Well done
@tylerkorn257724 күн бұрын
Earned a new subscriber. Amazing video and thank you for covering this and providing names of people who have been sharing what’s going on in the case.
@MexicanMovie25 күн бұрын
Why did this girl try to ruin this man’s life ? He should sue her and have her wages garnished for such a despicable accusation, all she understands are dollar signs!
@findlisa
23 күн бұрын
She didn't try to ruin his life, and a poor choice of emoji by her friend's sister didn't change that and doesn't prove anything. He can try that, but it won't make much sense if, by then, he earns millions of dollars, and she earns a modest salary. Also, he'd have to prove that she committed fraud, that she knew he didn't do those things (the groping and fingering) to her. But the truth is she does believe that, and she always will, so I highly doubt Shannon will even try to sue her. And, if he did, it almost certainly would be thrown out of court.
@patrick05Morgan
22 күн бұрын
@@findlisaMadi neel plotted on him and falsely accused her of something that never happened. She tried to ruin his life and take whatever she thought he would gain in the next few months with the nba draft coming up, from him.
@findlisa5
22 күн бұрын
@@patrick05Morgan If you are so confident in that post, go ahead send it off to Douglas County prosecutors, so they can consider charging you with a crime.
@MikeJasper-gu9og
20 күн бұрын
@@findlisait’s kinda hard for her to believe he did those things to her when stated that she’s never met him in person before
@usmc4lifetkd956
11 күн бұрын
@findlisa, yes, she did. She did try to ruin his life. Both her and her friend. Note the money signs
@mr.champaign92825 күн бұрын
I've been nothing but impressed by every Terrence Shannon Jr. interaction I've ever seen. Always has held himself professionally and kindly whenever I've seen him on T.V. or in person. About 15 months ago he along with Matthew Meyer & Dain Dainja came to the First String basketball tournament (little kid basketball in the North end of Champaign). My then 8 year old and then 6 year old sons played in the league and tournament. It was great to have all three of the Illini players there but TJ stuck around for at least 90 minutes (not complaining the others didn't stay as long, it was awesome they came at all, they could easily have had stuff to do), I left with my family before he left. Literally sat on my son's bench and made these kids feel great. Took pictures with anyone who asked, he came across as surprisingly shy to my wife and me. Obvious he loved being there and making the kids feel good, and he also seemed to enjoy the joy when a kid made a great play. When I heard he was charged with rape I was shocked and so were my kids. I have followed the public information pretty darn closely because I know people can be great most of the time and still behave horribly. I've waited, and I've read police reports and what's been reported to have come out at the trial, and there is nothing in the public record that makes me think he is likely to have done this. I'm not saying the alleged victim is lying, she may well believe he touched her, but if this is what gets somebody convicted of a major crime beyond a reasonable doubt I'd be so sad.
@UR_Right2425 күн бұрын
This obviously should have never been brought to trial. He needs to sue the asses off of everyone involved and demand a formal apology. He needs to get some Kyle Rittenhouse and Nick Sandmann type money and retribution for this traveshamockery.
@ndalt490
25 күн бұрын
Yea no don’t compare him to Kyle Rittenhouse, very different situations
@UR_Right24
25 күн бұрын
@@ndalt490Didn't compare situations. Just simply implied that TSJ needs a payout just like they got.
@andy_in_colorado7060
24 күн бұрын
@@ndalt490 The comparison is apt. Both of them very nearly destroyed, evidence to the contrary, and fortunately saved by a jury that realized it was absolute BS.
@ndalt490
14 күн бұрын
@@andy_in_colorado7060 I disagree man I think SA allegations and someone driving across state lines to shoot and kill two unarmed people on video are vastly different situations, but if you wanna compare your player to Kyle Shitstain Rittenhouse then go right ahead. Would probably bother a lot of the players on the team that you support.
@ndalt490
14 күн бұрын
@@andy_in_colorado7060Kyle Rittenhouse did something wrong (murder), whereas TSJ didn’t. I think it would leave a bad taste in TSJ’s mouth to be compared to a murderer, but you do you.
@zachary610622 күн бұрын
You have a great KZread keep up the good work!
@edwardkimakaballislifekim_57823 күн бұрын
That girl should been in jail for her whole life for lying and false information and accusations of Terrence Shannon a crime that he did not commit or do anything wrong
@trecome39623 күн бұрын
I hope to GOD he sues her and her family so that their kids kids kids are STILL paying for this
@ulamog25 күн бұрын
Got his @$$ 🤑🤑
@eddymoney352
25 күн бұрын
YUP YESSIR
@desmondkaczynski8190
22 күн бұрын
Found not guilty
@zkdadof425 күн бұрын
The actions of the accuser destroys cases for true victims.
@andy_in_colorado7060
24 күн бұрын
This is exactly why the accuser needs to be put on trial for what she did. There have to be serious consequences for false accusations, not just "oh well, let's just let it go", because other people falsely accused don't have the resources that Terrence Shannon did and they wind up killing themselves over the absolute hopelessness they are confronted with.
@wanderer5200
21 күн бұрын
Person falsely accused, others most affected.
@JimsIrish7625 күн бұрын
thanks for covering, shameful this could even go to trial with that. District attorney needs to be investigated. There are a lot of media that had a lot to say that now will stay silent
@maureen277724 күн бұрын
How did fondling get upgraded to felony rape charges?
@findlisa5
22 күн бұрын
Try fingering, not fondling. BTW, fingering without consent is rape, and that isn't true just in Kansas. There is a federal definition of rape based on penetration of the vagina or anus without consent or penetration of the mouth with a sex organ without consent.
@gboogy24 күн бұрын
Why are y’all trying to play both sides. TSJ is the only victim here
@billnoi25 күн бұрын
Sounds like the Trevor Bauer accusations.
@warchantillini
25 күн бұрын
That's exactly what I thought...
@chasestredic
25 күн бұрын
🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯
@thomasmersman7313
24 күн бұрын
Hopefully the guy will move on with a nba career
@acealexander312125 күн бұрын
You two have been more than fair covering this. Have simply reacted to what has been public knowledge and have done so carefully every step of the way. Any Twitter shade thrown your way on this is nonsense.
@aaronweeks134725 күн бұрын
I hope there is some accountability to the LPD and the Douglas County DA office. Need to have more than she said in a public place with lots of people to bring charges against someone. Very happy for TSJ that he can move on, but what he had to endure is on the LPD and DA. Luckily, TSJ could afford such a legal team. This case is how innocent folks go to jail if they have no money. Imagine all the legal fees, draft position, NIL money from missed games, and accolades TSJ lost in this.
@andy_in_colorado706024 күн бұрын
I respect you guys for saying up front you won't "go there" with the accuser, but this is a serious matter. False accusations with the intent to ruin someone's life, freedom, and extort money? No, you need to be subject to the same penalties that came dangerously close to being imposed upon the victim of your CRIME. This sort of thing cannot be allowed to go unpunished. This sort of thing happens much more often than we are willing to admit, and lower-profile victims frequently wind up committing suicide over it and people just shrug their shoulders and go "oh well". Absolutely nothing about that is acceptable.
@tscott632125 күн бұрын
NOT GUILTY!!!!! #TSJ #ALLAMERICAN
@mitchbrewer241125 күн бұрын
Shawn Oakman entered the chat...
@Jmay5125 күн бұрын
I do think you guys covered TSJ and the story perfectly
@lexwaldez25 күн бұрын
I think you summed all this up pretty well. The entire story is sad for both parties. I'm glad the police took the allegations seriously, but it does seem reasonable to require some minimal detective work and evidence be required to indict someone and upend their life. I have no idea what the district attorney or w/e was thinking when they moved forward with charges. Those text messages are a BAD look. Hopefully the jurors have a clearer picture of what happened than I do and they do the right thing. If you've ever served on a jury you know how stressful that can be. It's a tough subject. I'm not smart enough to handle it.
@Marq1solo23 күн бұрын
Some never get free of those allegations because they don’t have attorneys brave enough to fight for truth or money to fight the lie. Who will give those people justice?
@afstutz25 күн бұрын
To expound off of Carter's point. It is also a slap in the face to women who have been raped and have never received justice. The fact that the victim had such an inconsistent story for such a serious charge is staggering too. The text messages were what irritated me. This victim will also fuel men to downplay actual rape charges to women who have been actually raped. I hope she really thinks about what she did and the consequences of it. When I first heard the that this trial was going on. I thought it might of actually happened, but I didn't know TSJs personality either. Feel bad for him and what he had to go through.
@topdad-dawg834
24 күн бұрын
"This victim will also fuel men to dpwnplay rape..." wtf??? What about all the women in politics that support the rapist Donald Trump? Gotcha.
@kylebaumann1023 күн бұрын
Been a fan of you guys for a long time and I know you’re trying to play the safe route, but you guys know good and well that the only victim here is Terrence. The accuser does deserve some type of punishment. Like another comment said this is awful and unfair for the women that have been raped. Ultimately happy for Terrence. 🧡 We expect multiple apologies, but that won’t happen…
@123bcastle25 күн бұрын
Not guilt... verdict in
@charleneroberson888822 күн бұрын
This happen all the time
@Roblaurel825 күн бұрын
There is a verdict!!!!
@Deuces2225 күн бұрын
THANK YOU! Innocent on both accounts!
@adriennem792711 күн бұрын
And to not have any dna and if they brought to grand jury or knew there wasnt dna, How icky is the law enforcement there.
@usmc4lifetkd95611 күн бұрын
Nah screw her. TJR life and future were on the line. There are many, especially BLACK men who dont this type of defense and end up in prison. Way too many. And to think we have to assume the alleged victim is telling the truth. NO MORE. She deserves every hardship coming here way.
@marcthomas981025 күн бұрын
He didn't do this! Why didn't they take DNA from the person who they know is an alleged serial offender, Arterio Morris?
@kennethbailey538325 күн бұрын
MALIKA ANDREWS IS SO DISAPPOINTED AFTER THIS DECISION WATCH OUT ON DRAFT NIGHT
@kylebaumann10
23 күн бұрын
What did she say?
@mediamanagement7918
23 күн бұрын
Do not fear. She will still bring this up on draft night
@mediamanagement791823 күн бұрын
100% Malika Andrews will try and drag him on draft night even though he was found innocent.
@robertweber666025 күн бұрын
Not Guilty! 🤑🤑🤑
@edwardkimakaballislifekim_57823 күн бұрын
Smh
@unitedcapital-pe4in23 күн бұрын
When will they learn to avoid these wi te devil sl uts
@piccleartoland156524 күн бұрын
What do you do now? Turn around and sue the University and the accuser or call it "life" and move on? I'd be angry. I'd want some kind of compensation at least from the University for the suspension.
@jailbreak852
24 күн бұрын
I don't know, I'd want to move on. That DA has questionable judgment, I'd say
@piccleartoland1565
24 күн бұрын
@@jailbreak852 I like your answer. Most would say that's probably the right/mature/honorable thing to do.
@user-io4sr7vg1v
20 күн бұрын
@@piccleartoland1565 The honorable thing is to demand punishment for the fraudulent accusations.
@SneakyPete7325 күн бұрын
And he was found not guilty
@user-ol7ct4fs9q25 күн бұрын
If found not guilty on information that's been put forward so far he got punished by the NCAA that cost him a first team all american
@Wman527025 күн бұрын
Proud of everyone supporting both the plaintiff and defendant. That support is important and needs no bias because these kids lives can fundamentally change from people arguing over it because of their own bs personal agendas. Still cant believe people were against that this whole process.. Hoping this trial puts everything to rest with the truth as you say, whatever it may be
@BinkleyFamily21725 күн бұрын
Yea but missing a month of the season for a bogus charge that was found to be an illegal suspension. Not real fair, honestly! I don’t believe there were 3 better players in the Nation. Edey was the only player more dominant, no guard single handedly changed a game like T-Shan!
@melsteinmetz807425 күн бұрын
I knew $ had something to do with it shame on her
@unclePhilcows25 күн бұрын
Another case of believe all women punishing an innocent man. (Duke lacross, trevor Baur, matt Ariaza just to name a few) She should be brought up on charges and face trial . The DA who brought this flimsy case should be reviewed for misconduct
@marklynn3994
25 күн бұрын
The DA is already fighting disbarment for misconduct
@stacyehmen853025 күн бұрын
I luv you guys, but I would like to challenge you not placing him on any All American team despite missing 6 games and working his way back to 100% . I understand the "ickiness" due to the fact that there are real victims out there. He was an All American🧡💙
@shaquaviousjackson489224 күн бұрын
Who tf f says caucasian anymore.
@_baller25 күн бұрын
Nobody cares, your videos aren’t comedic, now do state of the program for FAU…
@noahm15
25 күн бұрын
Their state is that the program is dogshit, next.
@noahm15
25 күн бұрын
You still mad we handed that L to you last season?
@_baller
25 күн бұрын
@@noahm15 just like this channel then
@JMFATZ4725 күн бұрын
Race card comes out….bye
@richierich8905
25 күн бұрын
Let’s stop acting like this hasn’t been an issue! Just last year, 2 black Ohio State players were found innocent after a white female lied about being raped and kidnapped! Both have lost everything! Shawn Oakman was also lied on by a white female and did time just to be found innocent later one! Lost his chance to play in the NFL! So stop acting dumb like this isn’t a thing!
@andy_in_colorado7060
24 күн бұрын
Not only that, but the all-white jury came to the correct conclusion, without regard to race. Reverse the races of jury, accuser, and victim of the accuser, and I bet you a dollar the verdict is polar opposite, evidence be damned.
@timothythomad552925 күн бұрын
I've tried and defended a lot of sexual assault cases. Let me help you out, you don't need DNA or witnesses for a rape to happen. In fact, you rarely have either. Most rapes don't have witnesses. Often DNA evidence isn't something that ends up being a major part of a trial. If people are expecting those things to be common they are mistaken. Generally these cases involve the accused and the alleged victim and no one else. That's why these cases are hard to prosecute. I have no idea if he did or didn't do it. That's going to boil down to how credible a jury finds her on the stand. Yes, digital penetration is rape. Rape isn't just penis in Vagina or Anus or mouth, anything penetrating is rape by law. But if it helps, consider it sexual assault.
@jedward515525 күн бұрын
Believe all women, unless they're accusing your favorite team's best player.
@PatchesOhoulihan159
25 күн бұрын
What does that even mean
@brantbasting
25 күн бұрын
@@PatchesOhoulihan159Jed in implying people think TJS is innocent because of his basketball career.
@PatchesOhoulihan159
25 күн бұрын
@brantbasting those people are morons who should listen to the statements and testimonies in this case!
@blessd24
25 күн бұрын
Believe all women was always a silly overreaction to a real problem.
@jedward5155
25 күн бұрын
@@brantbasting No.
@dave005125 күн бұрын
Terrance Shannon should have never got himself into this position.
@chuckd5819
25 күн бұрын
You should have never used that last brain cell to type out your ignorant opinion.
@jzpat
25 күн бұрын
Jesus Dave. Did you ever go to a bar as a college kid? You want him to live in a literal bubble?
@josephwalker5577
25 күн бұрын
If you are implying that he never should have gone to Lawrence in the first place, I’m in complete agreement. Anything else, you’re on your own.
@andy_in_colorado7060
24 күн бұрын
Yeah, how dare he go to a bar with some friends. He should just sit at home every single day and stare at the wall so as "not to put himself in a bad position".
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Appreciate you guys having the balls on covering a topic that is tough to discuss. I think your points throughout the entirety of the case have been fair, non biased and a good representation of how larger media channels should have gone about the case . Kudos to you guys
The police were investigating a similar incident that happened two weeks earlier in the same room at the same bar and never even put two and two together to think the cases might be related. Guess who was involved in the case they were investigating? One Arterio Morris--who just happened to be in the room standing next to McCullar at the exact time that Shannon is accused of this incident. The alleged victim thought Shannon was standing next to McCullar. It wasn't Shannon. She allegedly ID'd Shannon after looking at team pictures on the internet. She didn't see Morris's picture on the KU team page because he had already been dismissed from the team after multiple sexual assault allegations. Morris also has colored dreads. This was all uncovered by the defense not the Lawrence PD. This case never should have been charges much less brought to trial. You guys have done a good job covering this in a fair manner.
@lexwaldez
25 күн бұрын
Okay. That's just WILD. How has that not been explained more fully in the press???
So many inconsistencies in her story, & those messages with the money emojis are telling! She lied period
@legalfictionnaturalfact3969
24 күн бұрын
For all you know, it is completely fake, sweetheart. Don't believe everything you hear on the news. I bet you think wwf is real too.
Jersey should be in the rafters at State Farm Center. Statistically he was a first team AA and I think that is pretty objective. So many accolades were taken from him including his reputation.
Wild a 10 second encounter in a bar can be called rape.
@legalfictionnaturalfact3969
24 күн бұрын
Yes, believe what bro said. Because scumbags always tell the truth. LOL
@Hawk-mb6em
24 күн бұрын
What’s that. That a rape can occur in 10 seconds ? LOL. ..
@HARVEY_1988
24 күн бұрын
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969Dude mad😂😂😂😂. Go cry somewhere else kid
@theone-ds7iz
24 күн бұрын
Lock her up! It was a different guy.
@Fgh-ng3qu
24 күн бұрын
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969oh you know him personally?
I was done when it was found out in trial that so called “victim”and her friends were sending Text messages back and forth to each other with Dollar sign emojis and saying that they got him along with the shitty rush to judgment by the Lawrence Kansas police department and the County prosecutor. Whole thing is a railroad job
NOT GUILTY. TSJ has been freed.
@legalfictionnaturalfact3969
24 күн бұрын
He's free until the next time he does it.
@johnnyrepp7328
24 күн бұрын
@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 number 1. He didn't do it. That is quite clear to even a toddler so you will be waiting your lifetime before he does it the first time.
@desmondkaczynski8190
22 күн бұрын
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969why u want him to be guilty so bad? Do something with your life bum
@MBMCG
22 күн бұрын
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969Won’t be an issue because he did NOTHING to her. Not too worried about a repeat of nothing. Btw, if he actually HAD done something to her, I would fully support whatever punishment the court thought appropriate.
You guys covered it better than Garbage Parrish and Matt Norlander of CBS Sports so good on you guys. Those two clowns are a different story
@orod5577
25 күн бұрын
I'm so glad someone brought up GP and Norlander...I could be wrong, (haven't listened to that podcast since it came out) but I'm pretty sure GP said "Innocent until proven guilty is just what dumb sports fans say"..Dude legitimately shat on a or THE cornerstone of American justice system and basically just said he meant that within the context of sport....dude is garbage
@gregrobbins3170
25 күн бұрын
That Parish podcast was so horrible, I couldn’t even listen to them anymore either. It was better if he kept his nasty opinions to himself than speak out of ignorance.
@snapon29
25 күн бұрын
@@orod5577 Agree 100%. That guy is an utter disgrace and used his platform for evil
@jdspencr
25 күн бұрын
@@orod5577wasn't it GP's podcast where he was getting excited by the word rape and ended up shouting it for emphasis?
@orod5577
25 күн бұрын
@@jdspencr kzread.info-FNpGdMowio?si=gj-xg9yMvIR4dcUT
If this was 1940, sadly, TSJ would have suffered the Emmitt Till treatment. And that is not being funny at all.
@patrick05Morgan
22 күн бұрын
Exactly
You gotta dig into the prosecutors back round that's why the charges were brought.
@sterlingarcher9208
25 күн бұрын
She's willing to destroy an innocent person's life to salvage her failed career?! SHE MUST RESIGN
@andy_in_colorado7060
24 күн бұрын
@@sterlingarcher9208 And also have other cases she's prosecuted looked at, and possibly be on the hook for "deprivation of civil rights under color of law".
It took 6 months, but congrats on finally getting to the point where you understand what the charge actually was (not the common definition of what 'rape' is).....could have just read the court filing. back in January
A lot of purdue fans owe this young man an apology. F purdue
@brianstidd1164
24 күн бұрын
Ok so does Illinois fans owe Gillis an apology? F you too!
@andy_in_colorado7060
24 күн бұрын
Why single out Purdue fans? I'm a Purdue fan and it was apparent to me within 24 hours of the initial accusation that it was likely total BS. Every single opposing crowd was horrible to him throughout the season, but in no way would I have ever taken part in that. Also, most of the Purdue fans I talked to throughout the season were like "yeah he's getting railroaded".
Duke lacross team were all white IIRC and went through the same thing.
@chasestredic
25 күн бұрын
I REMEMBER THAT LIKE IT WAS YESTERDAY
@topdad-dawg834
24 күн бұрын
Are they still whyte? Or did they have to return their privilege?
@user-io4sr7vg1v
20 күн бұрын
slightly different in that they actually paid a prostitute, in this story the accused did not engage in any untoward behavior of any kind
Can’t she be sued for defamation? This crazy what would make them do that
Nice video there’s a great article in the Chicago tribune that shows additional details to the case
I’m just starting the video. I am very glad you are covering this. And I hoping you guys are taking away what I took away from seeing the evidence. Falsely accused and was robbed from an all American season.
You don't owe an obligation to cover this, especially to any of the ass hats on twitter. Still glad to see you cover it
@PatchesOhoulihan159
25 күн бұрын
It's basketball related
@jzpat
25 күн бұрын
Yes there is especially since it was major mainstream news in the college basketball world. And they had covered it. It’s important to speak on this because so many out there found him guilty before due process.
Good videos for people who are not aware of what’s happened. Well done
Earned a new subscriber. Amazing video and thank you for covering this and providing names of people who have been sharing what’s going on in the case.
Why did this girl try to ruin this man’s life ? He should sue her and have her wages garnished for such a despicable accusation, all she understands are dollar signs!
@findlisa
23 күн бұрын
She didn't try to ruin his life, and a poor choice of emoji by her friend's sister didn't change that and doesn't prove anything. He can try that, but it won't make much sense if, by then, he earns millions of dollars, and she earns a modest salary. Also, he'd have to prove that she committed fraud, that she knew he didn't do those things (the groping and fingering) to her. But the truth is she does believe that, and she always will, so I highly doubt Shannon will even try to sue her. And, if he did, it almost certainly would be thrown out of court.
@patrick05Morgan
22 күн бұрын
@@findlisaMadi neel plotted on him and falsely accused her of something that never happened. She tried to ruin his life and take whatever she thought he would gain in the next few months with the nba draft coming up, from him.
@findlisa5
22 күн бұрын
@@patrick05Morgan If you are so confident in that post, go ahead send it off to Douglas County prosecutors, so they can consider charging you with a crime.
@MikeJasper-gu9og
20 күн бұрын
@@findlisait’s kinda hard for her to believe he did those things to her when stated that she’s never met him in person before
@usmc4lifetkd956
11 күн бұрын
@findlisa, yes, she did. She did try to ruin his life. Both her and her friend. Note the money signs
I've been nothing but impressed by every Terrence Shannon Jr. interaction I've ever seen. Always has held himself professionally and kindly whenever I've seen him on T.V. or in person. About 15 months ago he along with Matthew Meyer & Dain Dainja came to the First String basketball tournament (little kid basketball in the North end of Champaign). My then 8 year old and then 6 year old sons played in the league and tournament. It was great to have all three of the Illini players there but TJ stuck around for at least 90 minutes (not complaining the others didn't stay as long, it was awesome they came at all, they could easily have had stuff to do), I left with my family before he left. Literally sat on my son's bench and made these kids feel great. Took pictures with anyone who asked, he came across as surprisingly shy to my wife and me. Obvious he loved being there and making the kids feel good, and he also seemed to enjoy the joy when a kid made a great play. When I heard he was charged with rape I was shocked and so were my kids. I have followed the public information pretty darn closely because I know people can be great most of the time and still behave horribly. I've waited, and I've read police reports and what's been reported to have come out at the trial, and there is nothing in the public record that makes me think he is likely to have done this. I'm not saying the alleged victim is lying, she may well believe he touched her, but if this is what gets somebody convicted of a major crime beyond a reasonable doubt I'd be so sad.
This obviously should have never been brought to trial. He needs to sue the asses off of everyone involved and demand a formal apology. He needs to get some Kyle Rittenhouse and Nick Sandmann type money and retribution for this traveshamockery.
@ndalt490
25 күн бұрын
Yea no don’t compare him to Kyle Rittenhouse, very different situations
@UR_Right24
25 күн бұрын
@@ndalt490Didn't compare situations. Just simply implied that TSJ needs a payout just like they got.
@andy_in_colorado7060
24 күн бұрын
@@ndalt490 The comparison is apt. Both of them very nearly destroyed, evidence to the contrary, and fortunately saved by a jury that realized it was absolute BS.
@ndalt490
14 күн бұрын
@@andy_in_colorado7060 I disagree man I think SA allegations and someone driving across state lines to shoot and kill two unarmed people on video are vastly different situations, but if you wanna compare your player to Kyle Shitstain Rittenhouse then go right ahead. Would probably bother a lot of the players on the team that you support.
@ndalt490
14 күн бұрын
@@andy_in_colorado7060Kyle Rittenhouse did something wrong (murder), whereas TSJ didn’t. I think it would leave a bad taste in TSJ’s mouth to be compared to a murderer, but you do you.
You have a great KZread keep up the good work!
That girl should been in jail for her whole life for lying and false information and accusations of Terrence Shannon a crime that he did not commit or do anything wrong
I hope to GOD he sues her and her family so that their kids kids kids are STILL paying for this
Got his @$$ 🤑🤑
@eddymoney352
25 күн бұрын
YUP YESSIR
@desmondkaczynski8190
22 күн бұрын
Found not guilty
The actions of the accuser destroys cases for true victims.
@andy_in_colorado7060
24 күн бұрын
This is exactly why the accuser needs to be put on trial for what she did. There have to be serious consequences for false accusations, not just "oh well, let's just let it go", because other people falsely accused don't have the resources that Terrence Shannon did and they wind up killing themselves over the absolute hopelessness they are confronted with.
@wanderer5200
21 күн бұрын
Person falsely accused, others most affected.
thanks for covering, shameful this could even go to trial with that. District attorney needs to be investigated. There are a lot of media that had a lot to say that now will stay silent
How did fondling get upgraded to felony rape charges?
@findlisa5
22 күн бұрын
Try fingering, not fondling. BTW, fingering without consent is rape, and that isn't true just in Kansas. There is a federal definition of rape based on penetration of the vagina or anus without consent or penetration of the mouth with a sex organ without consent.
Why are y’all trying to play both sides. TSJ is the only victim here
Sounds like the Trevor Bauer accusations.
@warchantillini
25 күн бұрын
That's exactly what I thought...
@chasestredic
25 күн бұрын
🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯
@thomasmersman7313
24 күн бұрын
Hopefully the guy will move on with a nba career
You two have been more than fair covering this. Have simply reacted to what has been public knowledge and have done so carefully every step of the way. Any Twitter shade thrown your way on this is nonsense.
I hope there is some accountability to the LPD and the Douglas County DA office. Need to have more than she said in a public place with lots of people to bring charges against someone. Very happy for TSJ that he can move on, but what he had to endure is on the LPD and DA. Luckily, TSJ could afford such a legal team. This case is how innocent folks go to jail if they have no money. Imagine all the legal fees, draft position, NIL money from missed games, and accolades TSJ lost in this.
I respect you guys for saying up front you won't "go there" with the accuser, but this is a serious matter. False accusations with the intent to ruin someone's life, freedom, and extort money? No, you need to be subject to the same penalties that came dangerously close to being imposed upon the victim of your CRIME. This sort of thing cannot be allowed to go unpunished. This sort of thing happens much more often than we are willing to admit, and lower-profile victims frequently wind up committing suicide over it and people just shrug their shoulders and go "oh well". Absolutely nothing about that is acceptable.
NOT GUILTY!!!!! #TSJ #ALLAMERICAN
Shawn Oakman entered the chat...
I do think you guys covered TSJ and the story perfectly
I think you summed all this up pretty well. The entire story is sad for both parties. I'm glad the police took the allegations seriously, but it does seem reasonable to require some minimal detective work and evidence be required to indict someone and upend their life. I have no idea what the district attorney or w/e was thinking when they moved forward with charges. Those text messages are a BAD look. Hopefully the jurors have a clearer picture of what happened than I do and they do the right thing. If you've ever served on a jury you know how stressful that can be. It's a tough subject. I'm not smart enough to handle it.
Some never get free of those allegations because they don’t have attorneys brave enough to fight for truth or money to fight the lie. Who will give those people justice?
To expound off of Carter's point. It is also a slap in the face to women who have been raped and have never received justice. The fact that the victim had such an inconsistent story for such a serious charge is staggering too. The text messages were what irritated me. This victim will also fuel men to downplay actual rape charges to women who have been actually raped. I hope she really thinks about what she did and the consequences of it. When I first heard the that this trial was going on. I thought it might of actually happened, but I didn't know TSJs personality either. Feel bad for him and what he had to go through.
@topdad-dawg834
24 күн бұрын
"This victim will also fuel men to dpwnplay rape..." wtf??? What about all the women in politics that support the rapist Donald Trump? Gotcha.
Been a fan of you guys for a long time and I know you’re trying to play the safe route, but you guys know good and well that the only victim here is Terrence. The accuser does deserve some type of punishment. Like another comment said this is awful and unfair for the women that have been raped. Ultimately happy for Terrence. 🧡 We expect multiple apologies, but that won’t happen…
Not guilt... verdict in
This happen all the time
There is a verdict!!!!
THANK YOU! Innocent on both accounts!
And to not have any dna and if they brought to grand jury or knew there wasnt dna, How icky is the law enforcement there.
Nah screw her. TJR life and future were on the line. There are many, especially BLACK men who dont this type of defense and end up in prison. Way too many. And to think we have to assume the alleged victim is telling the truth. NO MORE. She deserves every hardship coming here way.
He didn't do this! Why didn't they take DNA from the person who they know is an alleged serial offender, Arterio Morris?
MALIKA ANDREWS IS SO DISAPPOINTED AFTER THIS DECISION WATCH OUT ON DRAFT NIGHT
@kylebaumann10
23 күн бұрын
What did she say?
@mediamanagement7918
23 күн бұрын
Do not fear. She will still bring this up on draft night
100% Malika Andrews will try and drag him on draft night even though he was found innocent.
Not Guilty! 🤑🤑🤑
Smh
When will they learn to avoid these wi te devil sl uts
What do you do now? Turn around and sue the University and the accuser or call it "life" and move on? I'd be angry. I'd want some kind of compensation at least from the University for the suspension.
@jailbreak852
24 күн бұрын
I don't know, I'd want to move on. That DA has questionable judgment, I'd say
@piccleartoland1565
24 күн бұрын
@@jailbreak852 I like your answer. Most would say that's probably the right/mature/honorable thing to do.
@user-io4sr7vg1v
20 күн бұрын
@@piccleartoland1565 The honorable thing is to demand punishment for the fraudulent accusations.
And he was found not guilty
If found not guilty on information that's been put forward so far he got punished by the NCAA that cost him a first team all american
Proud of everyone supporting both the plaintiff and defendant. That support is important and needs no bias because these kids lives can fundamentally change from people arguing over it because of their own bs personal agendas. Still cant believe people were against that this whole process.. Hoping this trial puts everything to rest with the truth as you say, whatever it may be
Yea but missing a month of the season for a bogus charge that was found to be an illegal suspension. Not real fair, honestly! I don’t believe there were 3 better players in the Nation. Edey was the only player more dominant, no guard single handedly changed a game like T-Shan!
I knew $ had something to do with it shame on her
Another case of believe all women punishing an innocent man. (Duke lacross, trevor Baur, matt Ariaza just to name a few) She should be brought up on charges and face trial . The DA who brought this flimsy case should be reviewed for misconduct
@marklynn3994
25 күн бұрын
The DA is already fighting disbarment for misconduct
I luv you guys, but I would like to challenge you not placing him on any All American team despite missing 6 games and working his way back to 100% . I understand the "ickiness" due to the fact that there are real victims out there. He was an All American🧡💙
Who tf f says caucasian anymore.
Nobody cares, your videos aren’t comedic, now do state of the program for FAU…
@noahm15
25 күн бұрын
Their state is that the program is dogshit, next.
@noahm15
25 күн бұрын
You still mad we handed that L to you last season?
@_baller
25 күн бұрын
@@noahm15 just like this channel then
Race card comes out….bye
@richierich8905
25 күн бұрын
Let’s stop acting like this hasn’t been an issue! Just last year, 2 black Ohio State players were found innocent after a white female lied about being raped and kidnapped! Both have lost everything! Shawn Oakman was also lied on by a white female and did time just to be found innocent later one! Lost his chance to play in the NFL! So stop acting dumb like this isn’t a thing!
@andy_in_colorado7060
24 күн бұрын
Not only that, but the all-white jury came to the correct conclusion, without regard to race. Reverse the races of jury, accuser, and victim of the accuser, and I bet you a dollar the verdict is polar opposite, evidence be damned.
I've tried and defended a lot of sexual assault cases. Let me help you out, you don't need DNA or witnesses for a rape to happen. In fact, you rarely have either. Most rapes don't have witnesses. Often DNA evidence isn't something that ends up being a major part of a trial. If people are expecting those things to be common they are mistaken. Generally these cases involve the accused and the alleged victim and no one else. That's why these cases are hard to prosecute. I have no idea if he did or didn't do it. That's going to boil down to how credible a jury finds her on the stand. Yes, digital penetration is rape. Rape isn't just penis in Vagina or Anus or mouth, anything penetrating is rape by law. But if it helps, consider it sexual assault.
Believe all women, unless they're accusing your favorite team's best player.
@PatchesOhoulihan159
25 күн бұрын
What does that even mean
@brantbasting
25 күн бұрын
@@PatchesOhoulihan159Jed in implying people think TJS is innocent because of his basketball career.
@PatchesOhoulihan159
25 күн бұрын
@brantbasting those people are morons who should listen to the statements and testimonies in this case!
@blessd24
25 күн бұрын
Believe all women was always a silly overreaction to a real problem.
@jedward5155
25 күн бұрын
@@brantbasting No.
Terrance Shannon should have never got himself into this position.
@chuckd5819
25 күн бұрын
You should have never used that last brain cell to type out your ignorant opinion.
@jzpat
25 күн бұрын
Jesus Dave. Did you ever go to a bar as a college kid? You want him to live in a literal bubble?
@josephwalker5577
25 күн бұрын
If you are implying that he never should have gone to Lawrence in the first place, I’m in complete agreement. Anything else, you’re on your own.
@andy_in_colorado7060
24 күн бұрын
Yeah, how dare he go to a bar with some friends. He should just sit at home every single day and stare at the wall so as "not to put himself in a bad position".