It's really mindboggling just how massively populated China has been throughout its history.

@julianshepherd2038

Жыл бұрын

@@samright4661 you brutal

@ericcloud1023

Жыл бұрын

With 3 awesome rivers and a huge agricultural basin to grow multiple crops ( wheat in the north and rice in the south) plus solid government structure for millennia they were blessed. Now they've polluted the water, killed the wildlife and murdered their own culture. all for the CCP

@GoogleUserOne

Жыл бұрын

MERITOCRACY. that’s why.

@merafirewing6591

Жыл бұрын

@@samright4661 same.

@shakiMiki

Жыл бұрын

It's worth looking up why India & China have always had such a huge proportion of the world's population.

Imperial Qing examiners: Man, if we only let that guy in. Some Austrian Art school professor: Ditto

@agyarhardjasudjana7804

Жыл бұрын

AFAIK School and Uni exams are not getting harder nowadays. We may have averted some genocide without knowing

@leehyunsong7001

Жыл бұрын

Hitler

@absboodoo

Жыл бұрын

Didn't the Art school now have a policy of letting everyone in just in case? lol

@fullmetaltheorist

9 ай бұрын

​@@agyarhardjasudjana7804Not getting harder but certainly the application process is being rigged. The top universities in America had a scandla where rich peoe wokld bribe their school to admit their kids. This was a few years ago.

@Brandonhayhew

3 ай бұрын

schools now lets others in because of certain someone whose responsibility for millions of deaths

It's horrifying how a civil war in one country killed more people than all of World War I and the Russian Civil War combined. Thank you, Simon for another great video!

@LowenKM

Жыл бұрын

Yep, and the idea of a violent 'Christian' cult following a charismatic 'Savior' who promises to 'Drain the Swamp', actually sounds kinda 'familiar'.

@nathanseper8738

Жыл бұрын

@@LowenKM Fantacism can poison the mind and drive us to do a lot of bad stuff, yes. But personally, I consider the MAGA fanboys wimps compared to the Taiping God Worshippers.

@colin3424

Жыл бұрын

@@LowenKM Donald needs to sell Mara Lago since he can live in your head rent free

@vic5015

Жыл бұрын

That just tells you just how many people lived in China at the time. It also was not unusual *at all* in Chinese history to have multiple concurrent rebellions and uprisings.

@vic5015

Жыл бұрын

@@nathanseper8738 religious fanatics are some of the worst ones because religious fervor can justify nearly *anything* .

Imagine being a random disappointed American missionary sailing back home not realizing they'd accidentally a maniac cultist who would cost 20 million lives in one of the bloodiest conflicts in Human history.

@CrimsonAlchemist

Жыл бұрын

yeah wtf right

@RobBCactive

Жыл бұрын

If also explains the CCP panic over the Falun Gong cult which took off

@samain11

Жыл бұрын

American missionaries actually did very little damage as they concentrated mainly on bringing medicine and education not evangelism to the natives.

@thanhhoangnguyen4754

Жыл бұрын

@@samain11 Plus these cultist believed that when the USA ambassador came to them not for tradingnor anything but to give them tribute so that they a barbarians country far in the American continent can also be graced by their Jesus brother. i don't know how to respond to that if i was the ambassador.

@dkbros1592

10 ай бұрын

20 millions kill streak assist 🤣

Hong's youngest son actually wrote a very long confession including all the important information about their administrative structure, culture and daily activities, before he was sentenced to thousand-slices-slow-death (he's still a minor at the time, horrendous). His writing is still the most important information for historian to study this part of the history.

@nathanseper8738

Жыл бұрын

Can you send me a link? That would be an interesting read.

@adrianopandolfo

Жыл бұрын

That's neat, but also horrific. Was he involved in any way whatsoever with his father's revolution, or were the Qing just being dicks to give him such a agonizing fate?

@nathanseper8738

Жыл бұрын

@@adrianopandolfo He had zero roles in his father's regime and zero preparation for the job of Heavenly King. A lot of people have described him as a spoiled daddy's boy. But even if he wasn't, the Taiping Kingdom was already pretty much surrounded and beaten. At that point, the Qing were just being dicks after years of brutal warfare.

@jackiedai7473

Жыл бұрын

I read an article on Chinese Internet that rumor has it the supposed executed young king was actually a palace servant to take his place. People witness the execution claim the young king was skinny and dark skinned, not very wealthy like. Some believed the young king fled to South America with the remaining gang and the origin of Triad has something to do with this.

@jackiedai7473

Жыл бұрын

I actually visited the Taiping museum here at Nanjing yesterday and saw the young king's handwritten confession. He just seemed dumb from the way he wrote and sucked the f up of Qing dynasty and it is just straight up prophany to Taiping. Maybe he was just desperate or is it the real young king...

So basically, if you fail in school, you can always just become a brutal dictator.

@nont18411

Жыл бұрын

So inspiring. So progressive.

@TheTen20

Жыл бұрын

Just like mustache man in Germany.

@Weirzy

Жыл бұрын

That's always been my plan

@--enyo--

Жыл бұрын

Or at being a librarian or an artist.

@eveleung8855

Жыл бұрын

depends on the situation, if the time is prosper and peaceful, the brutal dictator method wouldn't work, but if it was an unstable society with famine and sickness spread across, that is your chance.

Hong fails imperial exams:starts rebellion. Hitler fails art exams: starts WWII.

@fiendish9474

Жыл бұрын

Dropping out of the education system leads to some interesting results

@nont18411

Жыл бұрын

The real villain is the educational system

@ravengrey6874

Жыл бұрын

I had a history professor who explained it thusly: “The most dangerous people to a government are the almost hads. Those who were educated like social elites, but were held back by economic or societal barriers.”

@SinarBaru-bp4jx

Жыл бұрын

Joker fails stand comedian: start agent of chaos

@edanridge3023

8 ай бұрын

@@ravengrey6874that’s actually a very good way to put it, and describes the Nazi party particularly pretty accurately, the ltte in Sri Lanka to.

I feel so sorry for Hong's parents. It must have been so painful to have supported him for so long, nurtured his ambitions, only for him to turn into a lunatic.

@enderreaper1482

Жыл бұрын

This is what exam stress does to people

@missourimongoose8858

Жыл бұрын

This was his way of telling his father that his mom was cheating with a white guy lol

@LordMalice6d9

Жыл бұрын

I blame those damn rigged Imperial exams!

@davidsenra2495

11 ай бұрын

They were not rigged. Just difficult. Still, nobody should put all their eggs in a single basket.

@strasbourgeois1

11 ай бұрын

He turned into a lunatic arguably because they nurtured his ambitions. 😂

Why the Taiping initially gained ground was because of one thing, technology. When the smugglers heard that Hong Xiuquan was a Christian at heart, French and American arms dealer started selling small arms and even cannons to Hong bit by bit and when the whole rebellion started, the Qing forces suddenly saw themselves on the backfoot as they're still fighting with lances, swords and bows while Hong's forces were armed with rows and rows of flintlock muskets with actual functioning western cannons of high quality. The Qing couldn't do anything and they had to delay. That's how Hong was able to hold the war for so long as he had the technology which the Qing clearly lacked and that's modern firearms. However, the aftermath of the Second Opium War changed perspectives on firearms. Prior to the conflict with foreign powers, Qing was practicing an isolationist ideology and thus technology was punted into the backyard and never to be seen again and on the onset of the 1st and 2nd Opium Wars, the Qing were also on the backfoot as they had muskets but were matchlocks against the more reliable flintlocks and bronze cannon vs cast iron ones the Brits and French had which can fire at a higher pressure and longer distances due to that. After the defeat, the Qing could finally consolidate their power and forces against the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom and this time, the Qing wern't stupid anymore. Having witnessed the prowess of the western technology, they adopted it slowly but the 1st thing the Qing did was purchase tons of flintlock muskets from Britain and cannons from France. With this, they started to reequip the Banner Armies, Qing's Imperial Special Service with these and sent them to crush Hong's forces which, it did pretty well as now the technology was either on par or superior to what Hong had. Coupled with the internal strife Hong had created with his stupid policies and unequal treatment of people under his reign, it made the Qing's job even easier once the Second Opium War had ended. Also, it did not help that once the support Hong had at the start of the war with foreign powers had waned due to his craziness. Initially, as mentioned, Hong had the support of the foreigners as he was a self-proclaimed Christian which the westerners were more than happy to agree as long as he could play a part in destabilizing the Qing even further and help accelerate the western power's process of attacking China for their own benefit. However, they didn't count that with someone calling themselves the "Brother of Christ", that person might be severely mentally deranged and that's what Hong did. Instead of granting concessions on the westerners who trade in the port cities which were taken by the Taiping, Hong imposed an even larger levy on any trade with the westerners and his men often cause trouble for the western traders by either beating them or outright robbing them. This caused soo much tension that the west soon slowly switched sides and started to support the proper government of China and that's the Qing. Soon in major trading port cities that had high western influences like Shanghai started to even fund the Qing with western-style army to combat the Taiping. James Pope was one of the lobbyist for the new western-style army as an envoy from Britain, he pleaded with Hong not to attack Shanghai but it fell on deaf ears and thus the British started bankrolling a private Chinese army that co-operated with the Qing and called it the "常勝軍"/Every Victorious Army with two famous mercenaries being its general with Fredrick Townsend Ward and Charles George "Chinese" Gordon. That said force became the 1st Qing detachment to ever smash up the Taiping's stronghold and from there, they steamrolled the entire of the Taiping's positions and soon even pushed their own army structure to the Qing who would quickly implement it to their own armies and soon also started seeing victories themselves against the Taiping and subsequently, Nian rebels during the Nian Rebellion which was at the same god damn time as the Taiping Rebellion. (Talk about useless and corrupt Qing administration, allowing two consecutive rebellions to happen at the same time)

@dplj4428

4 ай бұрын

Goodness. So much! It’s no wonder westerners don’t bother to teach world history. Knowing so little, and assuming so much. I recall when i finally read how the English were profiting from opium, and then the Boxer Rebellion as a result.

@scottmattern482

Ай бұрын

ADHDers keeping us informed. Well, done. Not very concise, but lots of information.

@arielquelme

Ай бұрын

Its mostly bullshit non academical wall t next if u examine carefully

This conflict deserves more notoriety.

@seanbinkley7363

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely

@GooseGumlizzard

Жыл бұрын

im sure it does in China

@stabbityjoe7588

Жыл бұрын

We like to ignore China unless it’s to say something bad about them

@LordMalice6d9

Жыл бұрын

@@stabbityjoe7588 China has a rich and long history, one of the oldest lasting civilizations in history. But its history is marred with many bloody civil wars, internal strife and rebellions.

@The_king567

4 ай бұрын

@@stabbityjoe7588I wouldn’t say this was a good thing dude

This war is one of the deadliest conflicts in human history (usually ranking in the top three in terms of lives lost) and yet it’s hardly ever talked about…

@seanaugagnon6383

Жыл бұрын

Good day to you Sean

@seanhastings4432

Жыл бұрын

@@seanaugagnon6383 Hey look! It’s a thread made up of three Sean’s. You don’t see that everyday.

@seanmuir2862

Жыл бұрын

@@seanhastings4432 Now I have to respond too : )

@godfreypigott

Жыл бұрын

@@seanhastings4432 Have you four sheep been sean?

@nont18411

Жыл бұрын

Because there was zero American casualty in it.

I just think it’s wild just how many died in this rebellion when compared to other conflicts of the time

@jamesricker3997

Жыл бұрын

China was the world's largest economy until the Tiping rebellion and was politically stable. The taiping Rebellion set the stage for the disaster the 20th century was for China

@InquisitorXarius

Жыл бұрын

For the Terminally Ill shit stain that is Zhongguo (China), it is disgustingly common.

@k0ziolRD

Жыл бұрын

Typical day in China: "Liu Bu takes power. 20 million people died"

@resileaf9501

Жыл бұрын

It's really mindboggling just how massively populated China has been throughout its history.

@k0ziolRD

Жыл бұрын

@@resileaf9501 its "just" rice. Much more calories dense than wheat and you can grow it more than 1 time a year.

Austrian painters when they get refused: *starts world war* Chinese teacher when they get refused: *starts civil war bigger than world war*

@cooldudecs

Жыл бұрын

Bigger than ww2?

@woaddragon

Жыл бұрын

@@cooldudecs based on numbers killed, yes

@RedCommunistDragon

Жыл бұрын

The Austrian painter didn’t start WW2, but he escalated it.

@jermasus

Жыл бұрын

@@RedCommunistDragon depends on your definition of when ww2 started, yes japan had already invaded china by 31 or 37, but most still consider the invasion of poland to be the start of ww2 proper.

@RedCommunistDragon

Жыл бұрын

@@jermasus It depends on where you live, Most people in Europe and North America say it started when Nazi Germany invaded Poland, but people in Asia will say it started July 7, 1937 when the ll Sino Japanese War started because it wasn’t just China Japan invaded. Yeah Japan invaded and colonized Manchuria in 1931,” however China was still in its Warlord Period.

Can always count on Warographics to teach me interesting bits of history. Thanks to Simon, the writer, editor, and Simon's beard.

@warographics643

Жыл бұрын

My beard says you're welcome.

@apokalipsx25

Жыл бұрын

@@warographics643 I understand i have about zero chance that my comment would be read by you but i try. I know you have much work with making videos for many of your channels because i watch them too ))) On this channel i found a video about german airships in WW I and just two words about french airraids on Germany. Some years ago i have written about french airships in WW I for russian community on a page. Can your team *PLEAAAASE* make a good video about french airships in WW I and possible include "Spiess" Zodiac XII into it ? P.S By the way, about the early time of japanese airships even less people know as about the french.

@hantiaolang4381

Жыл бұрын

That, truly, is one impressive beard. (And well done on the Taiping Rebellion, too.) BTW - you are doing better on people and place names in China, but pinyin pronunciations can be hard for anyone not familiar with China. Please let me know if you want any help in your future videos about China. :) But please keep them up!

@--enyo--

Жыл бұрын

How old does he have to be before we can start calling them whiskers? Because the alliteration of Whistler's whiskers sounds like something you could slap on products and monetise.

@mirceazaharia2094

9 ай бұрын

​@@warographics643 "Mom, can we have Christianity?" "We have Christianity at home." "CHRISTIANITY AT HOME BE LIKE: *enthusiastic Taiping noises*"

Nanjing/Nanking - Historically, that place doesn't seem to catch any kind of break!

0:40 - Chapter 1 - The man who started it all 7:45 - Chapter 2 - Open rebellion 11:10 - Chapter 3 - Trouble in heaven 13:35 - Chapter 4 - Biblical proportions 19:50 - Chapter 5 - The toll of war PS: Moral of the story, "christian" jihad is f--ing scary

@frankieseward8667

Жыл бұрын

Just as bad as Islamic jihad. Religious extremism in. General is bad. Agreed?

@angrydoggy9170

Жыл бұрын

@@frankieseward8667 Agreed.

@ozzoldoshadda2993

Жыл бұрын

Any jihad is fucking scary?

@arcturionblade1077

Жыл бұрын

One man's jihad is another man's crusade.

@El_Presidente_5337

Жыл бұрын

Let's fugging goooo!!!

Hey Simon, can you cover the Thirty Years' war as that conflict's importance can’t be understated. As how the French Monarchy mortally wounded the Old Order and paved the New Order’s rise.

@georgemetcalf8763

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention the trauma inflicted on Germany so scarred the population that they decided strong army was absolutely necessary to survival.

@InquisitorXarius

Жыл бұрын

@@georgemetcalf8763 They weren't wrong (Well, at least that was true before and during WWI, but they would prove most wrong in the 1920s, 1930s, and WWII beginning in 1937).

@sharjiljafric-3184

Жыл бұрын

@@InquisitorXarius and boy do we seem to be returning to the era of Germany giving priority to its military because of Putin.

@InquisitorXarius

Жыл бұрын

@@sharjiljafric-3184 About time and thankfully, this Germany is a Germany, one not bound by Genocidal Ideological Extremes.

@Fractal_blip

Жыл бұрын

@@InquisitorXarius do you consider the Japanese invasion of China or the annexation of the sudetenland to be the true beginning mark of WWII?

Reminds me of a failed artist in Germany about 40 years later.

Austrian Art School: *reject an Austrian Man & then saw the same man became a dictator and launched a war* Imperial Chinese Law School: First time?

I love that it's half way through the video and he hasn't mentioned the fact that the lightest punishment in Taiping heavenly kingdom is death

@e2rqey

Жыл бұрын

It's like that Fred Amisen Dictator scene in Parks and Recreation kzread.info/dash/bejne/l52tyNmThqTgd9o.html

@zhouwu

Жыл бұрын

What's the heaviest punishment, if I may ask?

@adrianoarne-ritz249

Жыл бұрын

@@zhouwu Death but slower

@jmjedi923

Жыл бұрын

@@zhouwu super death

@zhouwu

Жыл бұрын

@@adrianoarne-ritz249 True. Death with maximal suffering. Too bad for them I'm already a Christian and I've already been crucified with Christ, and it took us 6 hours to die, and it was literally excruciating, so I think even they can't beat that, even if they claim to be Christians themselves.

Chinese history summarized: "Great civilizations...then millions of people died"

This really should be taught about more in the education system.

@markkarasik2211

Жыл бұрын

😎But then people might learn from the mistakes of the past…

@Sasquatch_Driver

Жыл бұрын

Evangelicals never want it taught, it shows they are dangerous nuts.

@EpicGamerWinXD69

Жыл бұрын

@@Sasquatch_Driver well yeah probably.

@bayersbluebayoubioweapon8477

Жыл бұрын

In America we learned of it more as “persecution of the poor Christian minority :((((“

@EpicGamerWinXD69

Жыл бұрын

@@bayersbluebayoubioweapon8477 I’m guessing you’re from Texas right? That sounds like something that would be taught in Texas.

Not only did this rebellion irrevocably weaken the Qing, it's also a huge reason why religion is so strictly monitired.

@angrydoggy9170

Жыл бұрын

Abolishing religion sounds like a good move but it just doesn’t work. Regulating it however is a smart move.

@ihaveachihuahau

Жыл бұрын

Well that's also a communist thing. The CCP is state atheist and runs China.

@0816M3RC

Жыл бұрын

@@angrydoggy9170 Religion should just be kept out of politics and government completely.

@snopespeerreview

Жыл бұрын

@@angrydoggy9170 Regulating religion is already a thing in china today where only state controlled churches can exist

@angrydoggy9170

Жыл бұрын

@@snopespeerreview Several countries have some form of control over religion in various forms. My country has a moderate control over religious figures by paying their wages and by actively stopping cults like Scientology in their tracks. Other countries, like the US, leave the gullible people up for grabs, even providing tax exemptions for any nutcase with the ability to convince some people about their ideas.

I've been waiting for this one.

In Tom Clancy's book "Bear and Dragon" one of the characters says that understanding the Chinese is like trying to understand Klingons. Their whole frame of reference is different, their thought process is completely different. Not inferior or superior just radically different. Such as the value of human life to those in charge, they value those close to them and their family, but the "peasants" might as well be cattle in good times and bullet sponges in war.

@annoyed707

Жыл бұрын

Russia is similar in that regard.

@saint_matthias

Жыл бұрын

That's inferior.

@calebbean1384

Жыл бұрын

@@saint_matthias Inferior in some ways, if you consider reproduction to be a human's purpose they are the most successful people on Earth

@saint_matthias

Жыл бұрын

@@calebbean1384 Breeding like rabbits is not success. It's just gross.

@saint_matthias

Жыл бұрын

Chinese may be the only people in the world who are completely unable to comprehend the basic human impulses of sympathy or gratitude toward other people. Because the Chinese feel no empathy toward others, they behave in an unbelievably sadistic and cruel fashion toward one another, and they view altruistic foreigners as targets to be mercilessly taken advantage of.

I love history and learning something new, thanks!

I was never taught about the Taipings in high school or college. I had to pick up a book on it at random to learn of it. Thank you for the video.

@stormstriker2000

Жыл бұрын

are u from china?

Fascinating. Thanks so much. Brilliant job!

Aside from Mao, another person was inspired by the exploits of the Taiping rebellion, arguably more importantly so. That person was Dr. Sun Yet Sen, who as a child listened to stories about the rebellion recounted by a Taiping veteran hidden in his village, both it's ideals and shortfalls. While not the sole factor why he went on to organize revolution, it probably played quite a role in driving him to form an utopia of his own vision

@factfiend1000

Жыл бұрын

He was also inspired by Henry George.

Fun fact... there's a town called Taiping in my country, and many of its early settlers were refugees from the Taiping Rebellion. Most were ethnic Hakka, who usually supported the Taiping Kingdom.

@TheNullie

Жыл бұрын

What country?

@cameronhowe1110

10 ай бұрын

@@TheNullieI think Taiwan

@harisubakti6534

3 ай бұрын

​@@cameronhowe1110that's in Malaysia

Really good episode!

So the biggest wars in the world started because: 1. Some dude failing a school exam 2. Some dude failing art school 3.A driving taking the wrong turn in a driveway Let that sink...

@raipe125

Ай бұрын

the key...more that the start. the ll was declared for the allies after poland even if they toleratr other invations. power have too many weapons and thinks war was good for the character

Simon! You gotta advertise your other channels more, bro! I found this one by accident after exhausting all of my Casual Criminalist and Brain Blaze options........and it's scratching an itch I didn't even know I had! lol

So I just had a joint and I was about to sleep 😴 off ( cause work tmro😮‍💨) then I saw his video and obviously the sleep can wait.

@itsmatt2105

Жыл бұрын

If you're a stoner, you're always asleep.

@lovewhenshe

13 күн бұрын

​@@itsmatt2105didn't say he was a stoner fuck off

Do one on the Yellow Turban Rebellion too!

As a side note the American civil war was going on around the same-ish time & only killed about 800k at most

@derwolf3006

Жыл бұрын

And theyr still crying about it till this day...

@hkchan1339

Жыл бұрын

China when they learn about American Civil war: Huh ! Such Amateurs !

@mrconfusion87

Жыл бұрын

@@hkchan1339 Chinese also be like: The American Civil War's total death toll is just the death toll of one battle in our Civil Wars!

@hkchan1339

Жыл бұрын

@@mrconfusion87 imagine the highest death toll of a civil war (20M-100M) is about someone who decided he is the brother of Jesus Christ.

@Southlander1000

Жыл бұрын

ACW: 630,000 lost -- mostly to camp diseases.

What the hell is with this place called Nanjing that keeps getting involved in horrifying bloodbaths?

@mrconfusion87

Жыл бұрын

Location! Geography is destiny...

@gorilladisco9108

Жыл бұрын

It the capital of southern China. You take Nanjing, and you can claim you have conquer of China. In was made the capital of China proper in the early Ming dynasty and during the Republic of China.

@Weeping-Angel

Жыл бұрын

Jing(京) means capital so it all makes sense to me

Failed the Imperial exams…. Reminds me of this story of a failed art student who went on to…..also do some bad stuff.

@Sasquatch_Driver

Жыл бұрын

Or a school drop out from the nation of Georgia

Thanks

Referencing a commenter that got to it before me, but as far as Chinese conflicts go, the Boxer Rebellion would be a great take to dissect given the complex alliance cobbled together to put it down amd the follow on effects that contributed to the Russo Japanese war

In India we have a legacy of the British Raj which is now called the United Public Services Commision. Back in the day it was called imperial services exam. Very difficult to get through, only a thousand people get jobs out of millions of applicants. It's an exam that gives you power. I've always wondered about something like this civil war happening here.

@tanjianforever

Жыл бұрын

India was always too fractured to provide an effective defensive front to European powers unfortunately. It was in the middle of many different groups fighting among each other when Britain and France started partitioning it up. And also unfortunately many of those smaller states that had been brutalized joined the British, not knowing what they were unleashing on their own people.

@colin3424

Жыл бұрын

@@tanjianforever they weren't unleashing anything they weren't already doing to their own people, if anything the British were more civilized...

@idlehands1864

Жыл бұрын

That was basically what happened with the Sepoy rebellion, the Chinese have always had very bloody civil wars, that's because of tactics and the open plains. India was unlikely to have such a brutal war with all of the choke points, and points of control. One side or the other would win before things got that bad.

@srikrishna7188

Жыл бұрын

@@colin3424 yes letting millions die in famines when they could be saved is "civilized" Treating indians as dogs racially is "civilized" Defaming a 1000+ year culture with all the tech available at their hand .So "civilized"

@srikrishna7188

Жыл бұрын

Yes. As an Indian I find UPSC to be overwhelming on the students . It takes great time and practice for one to pursue it. But then again, nothing related to administration should be so simple in a country with thousands of ethnicities,castes,cultures.

And a British Officer waving a stick took up command of a mercenary force raised by an American dreamer and ended a genocidal nightmare. Thank God for the Anglosphere.

Remember this man the next time you think you didn't do well on a test. :)

@punksoab

Жыл бұрын

"Hi mom... I failed my math test..." "Well this is third time sweety..." "But moooooom! I hate war crimes!"

So this kind of led to the Boxer Rebellion I guess? That’d be interesting to see covered here.

@scottabc72

Жыл бұрын

Not really the Boxer Rebellion was all about reasserting traditional Chinese culture against European culture as European powers (and Japan and the US) had taken over large parts of Eastern China by then. The Qing government was basically in the middle. First allowing the Boxer rebellion to spread as leverage against foreign powers, then openly cooperating with the rebels when the rebellion got out of control but later cooperating with the foreign armies after they successfully counter attacked.

@Dank-gb6jn

Жыл бұрын

@@scottabc72 but Christianity wasn’t part of traditional Chinese culture, so wouldn’t this *technically* have lead to the overall reassertion that you’re referring to? Given that US and European missionaries were traveling the world and spreading the Word of course.

@scottabc72

Жыл бұрын

@@Dank-gb6jn Im sorry I dont understand your point. The Boxer Rebellion was anti-Christian (unlike the Taiping), so Western missionaries along with Chinese converts were early and frequent targets of violence from the rebels. When Western powers mobilized their militarys to put down the rebellion, defending Christians was a major justification to their respective publics. Of course the main concern was Western economic holdings in China.

@Dank-gb6jn

Жыл бұрын

@@scottabc72 I know, I’m trying to make the point that the Rebellion was caused by anti-Christian sentiment, brought about by events such as this.

@scottabc72

Жыл бұрын

@@Dank-gb6jn Ok I do see your point and that makes some sense but I also believe the Boxer Rebellion was mainly about resisting foreign domination. I dont think most Chinese people made much of a connection between the Taiping, which were very much homegrown and didnt get any real support from the West, and Western economic and cultural imperialism several decades later.

When a young painter wants to study art, just let him into the art school. Oh wait, that was the other guy...

Dr. Sun Yat-sen was also inspired by Taiping Rebellion, he was also from Canton so he grew up with the tales of Taiping's achievements.

If you would like to know more about the Taiping Rebellion, I highly recommend that you read the book: "Autumn in the Heavenly Kingdom", by Stephen R. Platt. It covers the Taiping rebellion from start to finish, including the 2nd Opium war.

@dustinleonard2160

Жыл бұрын

I just found out there was a 2nd Opium war. Learning something new every day lol

@redfallsblack4002

Жыл бұрын

God's Chinese Son by Jonathan D. Spence is a good read. The Chinese History Podcast by Laszlo Montgomery did a multiple episode series on the Taiping Rebellion with this book as source material among others.

@wolfu597

Жыл бұрын

@@dustinleonard2160 Wanna hear something ironic. This war didn't have anything to do with Opium.

@davidsenra2495

11 ай бұрын

Of course it had to do with opium. Obviously, social and economical issues on the background played a large role in it (as always), but the struggle for the opium trade definitely was involved.

@wolfu597

11 ай бұрын

@@davidsenra2495 Ironically, opium had nothing to do with how this war got started. This war was caused by what is called "the Arrow" incident. This Chinese ship had been involved in smuggling before, and thus the Qing authorities thought that it was still active in the smuggling trade. Since it flew the British flag upon its seizure, it was taken as an insult to the British crown. And thus, lord Elgin was sent to demand reparations and a new treaty at all cost. Which would require him negotiationg directly with the Emperor, which of course never happened.

“All of this death and destruction because Hong failed those damn imperial exams” is comparable to saying WW2/Holocaust were because Hitler didn’t get into art school. 😂

@user-jj2zy2jz9h

Жыл бұрын

exactly，its a meme in China now，hong and hitler，also huangchao in tang dynasty China

@user-jj2zy2jz9h

Жыл бұрын

yuanshikai ended Qing dynasty ，he also failed exams，exams are the nightmares to Chinese students until today（its better than before but still cruel）i have failed twice，passed 3rd time😂 and fun fact，hong started taiping rebellion in my hometown Guangxi province，my father always told me about this history in my childhood，and i always dreamed Jesus for that reason😂when i grown up，learned it from book or watched a lot of movies,i found that taiping rebellion was so cruel and alot of people died for it,the more i leaned,the more i love peace

Hong Xiuquan - failed the imperial examination Adolf Hitler - failed art school ... Moral of the story...?

@mrconfusion87

Жыл бұрын

Study hard kids! 🤣🤣🤣

@jonathanmichaelsmith9012

9 ай бұрын

Failure leads to great things.

Fascinating topic Simon and Team, definitely doesn’t get enough coverage in the west

The Taiping rebellion, when run of the mill decade long civil wars are just NOT SPICY ENOUGH

Can you imagine how much crazier this thing coulda gotten if he said he was the older brother of Jesus Christ?

@andyyang3029

Жыл бұрын

Maybe he would've conquered Japan 🤔

@gabbar51ngh

Жыл бұрын

Based. Imagine if he won and tookover China.

Excellent content. "The more I learn from Simon, the more I learn how little I know". Thank you.

History may not repeat itself, but often rhymes.

Some information that might be interesting for you; 1) The 小刀會 that took Shanghai's 南城 actually initially declared themselves as 大明, later they pledged allegiance to the Taiping by sending a letter. But it was not accepted by them or some other type of complication arose. Through agreements with the Shanghai concessions, the Daotai of Shanghai managed to retake the walled city from the 小刀會. 2) Zeng guofan's strategy was to move downstream towards 江南, with his disciple Li Hongzhang anchored at the eastern part at the river's mouth. However, they had supply difficulties and had trouble until there was the Anglo-Chinese force, and Franco-Chinese force was raised in Shanghai (actually places like 松江). The former assisted in the battle of 蘇州 and the latter in 杭州. Once Zeng's flank was secured then he launched the third battle of 江南. And the massacre that Nanjing endured afterwards was probably the worst ever. 3) I can go into some of the acts of cruelty of the war. - Takes about a day to behead 8000 surrendered P.O.W.s - 太湖 and other irrigation channels were so filled with corpses you could walk over them as if it was dry land. - All women of marriageable age taken in Nanjing, after seeing her family butchered in front of her. One left a suicide note on route to 湖北, the home of the Chu army. 4) The population of Shanghai swelled to over 1 million and Hangzhou to over 2.5 million in 1850 after the first fall of Nanjing. Unfortunately, Hangzhou was taken by the Taiping in the war. For Shanghai, the outskirts of the concessions were reached and coincidentally that was the coldest winter on record. Parts of Pootung point were actually occupied by the Taiping (they flanked around), and one of the Daotais died fighting there. He was given a shrine in Shanghai but was later destroyed in the Cultural Revolution (the temple is near the current 關公 temple I think).

Hey can we get a warogrpahics of Ghengis Khans invasion of the Khwarazmian empire ? I've always found this particular act of revenge of the khan interesting and would love to hear you do a video on it. Love the videos and your many channels 🙂

As a fair student I'm curious what was so difficult about those exams...Simon's closing statement peaked my curiosity. Great video guys.

@stephenwonghongweng4298

Жыл бұрын

Pretty damn tough. A paper can take weeks and one question probably takes around 6-8 hours of continuous writing just to answer

@jlee5730

Жыл бұрын

That's a fair question! When they weren't riddled with corruption, the exams were tough because the examiners - themselves the elite 1% - were filtering for exceptional talent who could demonstrate, at minimum: encyclopaedic knowledge of the Confucian classics (considered easy), excellent grasp of Chinese characters (over 40,000 by the 18th century, most of which have multiple meanings depending on context), in-depth analysis of statecraft (including laws and military strategy), important treatises, history, poetry etc. Then to actually be competitive, you also had to write in a sufficiently literary style, offer creative interpretations of the texts that showed critical thinking and logical reasoning, be able to orally debate and defend your ideas... Tl;dr they wanted you to write a multi-disciplinary PhD thesis cum policy paper in less than a month, in elegant prose on par with Tolstoy or J.R.R Tolkien 😂

@outisnemo555

Жыл бұрын

It’s the demand of how the essays were written. They had to be written in Classical Chinese (equivalent to Latin), in the style of the Analects and Mencius (two books), and basically every word and sentence had to be a quote/reference to something in the Confucian classics (Four Books and Five Classics). It’s like asking modern Americans to write Latin verse that rhymes in accordance to certain schemes while quoting abundantly and appropriately from Virgil and Cicero.

@Ben-zr4ho

Ай бұрын

Also this wasn't a "test." It was a lengthy series of written exams that you took over the course of a month or longer. Like you moved in to take the exam.

An unforeseen fallout of this rebellion? General Tso's Chicken is named in honor of one of the victorious generals against the Taiping.

@rs-dp6pr

Жыл бұрын

Lol.. nope. The general is the one that kicked Turks out of Xinjiang..

Hmm, an arrogant narcissist gets his ego damaged by failing an exam, convinces himself that he is divinely inspired, becomes the leader of a cult-like movement, starts an incredibly bloody war in which he regards his enemies as less than human, becomes more withdrawn as the war continues, and kills himself in the heart of his capital as his enemies are banging on his door.

I know being War graphics this focus is more on the military tactics but I think Simon's documentary on the Taiping in biographics about their leader, was actually more insightful, the captured more of the nuances that the armies that finally defeated the Taiping, (Han Chinese regional armies). We're only kind of nominally loyal to the Manchus. And operated largely independently. (Much of southern and western China would continue to be autonomous afterward, ruled by regional military generals.

Still remember the Hong Xiuquan Biographics video. One of my favourites!

@theawesomeman9821

Жыл бұрын

I thought he covered it too but wasn't sure until your comment.

I will probably never get tired of Simon Whistler.

Oh my God... Damnit Simon... I love you but damnit man .. how many channels do you have? You have become all I watch. I'm not complaining but still damn it man 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Hirler: "I feel your pain brother from different mother"

What a brutal conflict! Only the second person I've ever heard of having their cremains shot out of a canon...

@djquinn11

Жыл бұрын

Was the other one Hunter S. Thompson?

@theawesomeman9821

Жыл бұрын

who was the first?

@joemagnus5085

Жыл бұрын

@@theawesomeman9821 Hunter S. Thompson. Although that was in his will I think lol

Damn Simon, that beard is lookin dank.

Wonderful video, but please show these cities on a map when introducing them. Thanks.

I started reading up on this after the Mr. Chang character in Hell On Wheels piqued my interest. One witness describes seeing a man in Anging carrying a human leg on his shoulder. Cuts of human meat were hung in the marketplace in the manner of fish or fowls. Strips of the wind-dried flesh of street children were sold by hawkers. Truly awful.

You know you're crazy when even Karl Marx thinks you're crazy 🤣

@raipe125

Ай бұрын

if he was not persecuted could have being a professor...he have his phd but cant work in institucions...

Please can you do either the Scottish Wars of Independence or just the Battle of the Flodden and the aftermath

I was wondering if you could do a video on the Miao Rebellion of 1795?

The mass of people described in the battle and losses makes every chinese was sound like a warhammer 40k novel

When life sucks just remember Chinese Jesus loves u

Cheers.

That one eye at his back is something.

Wrote a research paper on this subject in college. I'd previously had no idea about it, and was completely stunned the more I read about it.

"For three days, violence on an unprecedented scale filled Nanjing as the pure carnage of war was unleashed in every house." Gods, what is with brutal conquest and Nanjing specifically? Fast forward another 80 years or so and the surviving civilians' grandkids would face the Japanese in the Rape of Nanjing...which means there are probably some kids who survived the end of the Taiping Rebellion who lived to suffer as old timers in in WWII. For those not familiar, it's considered among the worst atrocities in the various wars that made up WWII, which, uhh....got some real stiff competition for title of "worst atrocity" in that war, so that should give you an idea of just how bad this was. (And yes, you can argue semantics about an atrocity committed in 1937 and 1938 during the Second Sino-Japanese war counts as being part of WWII, though that war would later be rolled into WWII once Japan made its big move in December 1941 at the latest. But the comparison to other major atrocities in WWII stands.)

@frankieseward8667

Жыл бұрын

Bataam death march Korean comfort women And Don't get me started on the experiments. Japan was worse than Germany in skne aspects.

@jlee5730

Жыл бұрын

As a young child, I was taught by my grandparents (who were born to lucky survivors soon after the Rape of Nanjing) to fold my blanket in a very particular way. I recently learned that it's a kind of soldier's roll, where the folds create large, tight pockets for storing necessities and won't come apart even if you walk for hours with it strapped to your back. Even though I no longer live in Nanjing or even China, I still make the bed like this and seem to have inadvertently taught my kids step one of how to flee a besieged city.

You should do the Three Kingdoms era soon!

Other than failing to get into art school, failing exams could lead to one to do crazy things.

“Wow, It sure sucks being a foreign Chinese dynasty suffering from a surging instability crisis & population while chipping away at foreign influence, I sure hope some guy doesn’t see things in his dreams from failing absurdly rigged exams & annihilating a huge chunk of the population & economy like it’s nothing…”

Damn Simon, looks like that beard is getting away from you. 😆

Hey there me again, just a quick afterthought one of the things he didn't mention was that during the final assault on Taiking (Heavenly Capital). Which they had renamed Nanking to, (the actual official pronunciation, (different dialect), would not be changed until the late 1970s from King to Jing). But at any rate many Taipings, actually committed suicide during the final assault, drowning themselves in the river or self-imalation.

Do a video on the Spanish armada

History is fascinating. If only humans could learn from it.

Thanks for covering this, Chinese history never seems to get covered since they have so many people the death tolls are just shrugged off

@steventhompson399

Жыл бұрын

I've heard that the an lushan rebellion killed many millions, and that was back in the mid tang dynasty, the population of China has always been ridiculously huge

Make a video about the Shimabara Rebellion in Japan.

Fascinating video! It’s absolutely mind-boggling how massive China’s population has been throughout its history. That the sheer number of deaths is more than WWI is incredible! Excellent job, as always, Simon and team 😊👏🏻💯🙌🏻

@bobfaam5215

Жыл бұрын

Majority of people died by famines caused by disruption because of the civil war than the actual fighting .

That dream he had sounds a lot like a ketamine trip, including the being in a better mood afterwards! I wish I had dreams like that without chemicals, dang

1:17 - _[GTA "Wasted" sound effect]_

In early again!

The story is kind of familiar. A man is trying to achieve his dreams via academics then he fails, adopts some crazy ideologies, launches a deadly war causing a huge number of deaths and then he fails and kills himself. Where did I hear this story??🤔

Damn, I want a golden beard :(

it proves one man can change the course of History.

Didn't you already did a video like this, or was is the guy who started it?

Calling this particular man a " Christian" is a helluva stretch that's for sure lol. I heard a friend of mine whose family left China after the rebellion say the Taiping Rebellion was not Christian. It was basically an early form of North Korea. I dunno if I agree but it's interesting. Also if the beard gets any longer he can play Rasputin lol.

@theawesomeman9821

Жыл бұрын

people need to be aware that even Christ didn't consider everyone who called him "Lord" as his own follower.

@InMaTeofDeath

Жыл бұрын

Imo that's a bit like saying the people who were responsible for 9/11 weren't muslims. From my perspective if someone is telling others they're christian while using the bible as justification for their actions I'm going to take their word for it. My bet is a lot of muslims didn't agree with the 9/11 attacks but that doesn't stop the attackers from using the words of the holy book to justify their actions. Another unfortunate reality is since no version of any religion has proved itself fact that means the extremist version of christianity or islam may very well be the correct ones sending the more peaceful moderate believers to hell for not following the holy books closely enough. It's also true that christians closer to the time of jesus were far more likely to be burning witches and might call modern christians fake for not believing that witches should burn as the bible clearly states. From an outsider perspective the logical assumption would be that the people closer to the event that started the faith would have a better idea of how following that faith is supposed to work. I wonder what reason christians will give in 500 years to claim that people of this era were doing it wrong just as we do for the people 500 years ago, thankfully christian morality has changed vastly compared to the old days despite the claims that it is objective and never changes.

@goldengold8568

Жыл бұрын

@@InMaTeofDeath "using a holy book to justify their actions" Now this has been happening from since the dawn of time. It doesn't even need to be a "holy book" all you need is an ideology. For instance contenperary communists would say, "Stalinism was not real communism". Then there is race based e.g Rwandan genocide, immigrant based etc Basically find a difference, come up with a doctrine and there you have it. "..no religion has proven itself." If by that you mean "practicing what they preach". Then pretty much all ideology can't do that. Like for an economic ideology (for which much blood as been spilt) is USA actually capitalist or USSR Cuba etc actually socialist/communist? It is because all of them are idealistic. Now coming back to religion Sikhs, Buddhist etc have been leading wars justifying their cause through their beliefs too. But the propensity for rebellion or war lies in the doctrine and/or source material. For instance the heros or the leaders being a warrior or having some political influence. Like Buddhism has no warriors but some of the gurus(spiritual leaders and central figures) in Sikhism are warriors same goes for Christianity(new testament) and Islam. So that to plays a huge role too. Now onto the changing or reforming part you also have to study how religions are formed. Christianity came out of Judaism it was considered a sect of Judaism in the early days. The ideas wad that now the god of the Jews is for all. Islam came as a revivalist of the two Abrahamic religions. Keeping the Christian conversion part and also keeping the "follow the book/tradition" part of Judaism.

@Abk367

Жыл бұрын

@@InMaTeofDeath to be a Christian you need to agree to the basic tenants of the faith outlined in the nicean creed .Just as a Muslim must believe in one God with Mohammed as his prophet. If anyone came along and changed it maybe call himself the divine brother of Jesus christ then that would contradict the nicean creed(especially the only begotten part ).Regarding Bible, well Christians share a part of it with jews ,does that make jews Christians? Or what about Muslims who use it to claim that Mohammed is mentioned somewhere in there ? So that clearly is not a criteria to be a Christian.witch burnings well you need to define what a witch is ? And how do you proove someone is one .and why burn them ? (Thats not even in the bible) .I doubt the early Christians who were against stoning women to death on charges of adultry would be ok with burning people alive on the charges of being a witch .You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about .

@raipe125

Ай бұрын

many american churchs....the problem eith cristianism is that the end of profetic time is just consensual. and is a revelation in history...dont get wrong never was an unified creed. apostle has diferents views. the pope was just one of the four great bishop. the one of rome. but also alexandria. antoquia and jerusalem was there. there was not a canon of the biblie until after the reform or even a seminarie...rural priest could dont know read and being train by a guy who also was the barber. religion was also very sincretic cristian is who can have the force to said that

One death is a tragedy. One million deaths is a Chinese tragedy.

@godfreypigott

Жыл бұрын

According to US conservatives, one million covid deaths was nothing out of the ordinary.

It's the response to the separation of people's into the groups of have and have nots. This separation see's the beginning of divergent interests one from the other making us enemies instead of partners.

Ya know in hindsight, I can understand why the Keju were made to be soo difficult: I shudder in fear to think what Hong would have been capable of if he recieved government financing. Same could also be said for how much he could have raised the living quality for people if he never had that breakdown and did get accepted. A veritable humanitarian crisis, and in the space of 100 odd years the country is now a leading actor on the world stage. Awe inspiring.

@raipe125

Ай бұрын

neh...probably just a mediocre burocrat

Hold on, I'm about to add "blast my ashes from a canyon" into my will.

"Teaching his version of Christianity." Anybody teaching their own version of a religion is not a good sign.

@godfreypigott

Жыл бұрын

Anyone teaching ANY version of a religion is not a good sign.

@raipe125

Ай бұрын

soo...just the version teach it directly for god??? is not that a bigger red flag???

@raipe125

Ай бұрын

​@@godfreypigotttoo easy...religion is between us for millenia...even fandom. psychoanalysis. socialism, feminism,transhumanism. science discipline. hygine and ethics of any kind are in operational efects even if they are secular or señf proclaims atheism....religion.

@godfreypigott

Ай бұрын

@@raipe125 Could I have the English version please. Taking English words and putting them together randomly is not English.