You know, if they hadn't thrown so much of Odette's characterization away after the first song, there could be something here. Odette could be frustrated with Derek because he sees her as trophy wife material and nothing else, but she ends up meeting Rothbart, who could be played as a romantic foil for Derek and sees the potential in Odette to become the perfect apprentice to him. And for a while, Odette is just glad that he recognizes the fact that Rothbart recognizes how clever and eager to learn she is, but the more she sees his less moral tendencies the more she's turned off, so she spurns him. Angry and brokenhearted, Rothbart turns her into a swan and taunts her that she'll have to find someone who appreciated and loved her more than he did in order to break the curse. Meanwhile, Derek might be shallow, but he's still a good person at heart, and when he sees that he left Odette at the mercy of a sorcerer, he feels guilty and is willing to put himself through hell to make it all up to her. From there, their romance can grow more organically and gradually. There, Richard Rich. I helped fix your movie.

@dovefilms

6 жыл бұрын

i would totally read and/or watch this

@toocoldtobother7271

6 жыл бұрын

I’ll wait for your version

@amiefortman7220

5 жыл бұрын

*_pops back up_* I'm not done--I've been thinking more about this concept! In this AU of the movie, Odile takes Bridget's place. She's another young woman who's being tutored by Rothbart, and she's jealous of Odette for stealing away the attention of all the men (even though Odette's made it perfectly clear that she's not interested, and she only warms up to Derek later on). This, on top of Rothbart already teaching her to be spiteful and opportunistic, is what drives her to sabotage the ball by impersonating Odette and trying to trick Derek into making his vow to the wrong person. But because it's _not_ Odette with him, the vow's effect doesn't take, and he realizes he's been tricked. He races back to Swan Lake to try to make up for his mistake, but Odette's already been hoodwinked into thinking Derek betrayed her and lashes out against him. That's when Rothbart shows up to gloat and start the climactic battle, and it's Derek who gets the Heroic Sacrifice fakeout death, which serves as his real vow of everlasting love for her. Also, while we're here, can Puffin be the only sidekick Odette has? He's far and away the most useful out of the three--his only fault is being a little too enthusiastic, which is really not the worst thing.

@alyssabaney9921

5 жыл бұрын

That sounds amazing.

@BloodWired

5 жыл бұрын

Old comment, but I was just reading this and thought maybe it's too "young adult novel" for a kid's film. Maybe change Rothbart to a teacher-role and then Odette discovers he's basically training her for his own purposes. I also think making the only other young female character a jealous rival sets a bad precedent we see too often, that girls are too catty for comradery.

The thing is, Nostalgia Critic was right, they were far more interesting and had more personality as kids.

@HughAverageHomoMan

6 жыл бұрын

The universe must be crumbling, THAT OVERBLOWN ASSHOLE IS RIGHT

@TommyDeonauthsArchives

6 жыл бұрын

CookieMastah Well... duck.

@HiperPivociarz

6 жыл бұрын

Well, he is right a lot of times, like when he said Christmas is about being nice to other people

@PurpleWind64

6 жыл бұрын

Ya do know that the Nostalgia Critic is a character, right? Doug Walker is a much nicer person.

@username-mk4qv

6 жыл бұрын

PurpleWind64 It saddens me when people don't understand this, especially considering just how much of a sweetheart Doug Walker really is. People judge him as this eccentric douchebag when that's just his character. Yeah I'm not a fan of all his work, but when people talk about him negatively they usually forget it's the character and they really think Doug is an asshole when he's not.

This movie would have been a whole lot better if it was just the two kids being bitter foils to one another for most of the movie, maybe falling in love during their teens. Maybe.

@unamed2516

5 жыл бұрын

King Edward "Longshanks" I, Hammer of the Scots, Lord of Wales and King of England Yeah probably and maybe also try to tell the story in a much better way. I feel like that’s really important for the movie if they had better storytelling that made sense and would make the film more likable and memorable to people. Also not releasing any sequels to it would have been a good idea.

I'm glad you pointed out that Odette is being a hypocrite. It always bothered me that she suddenly was in love with Derek when just a few scenes prior she was turned off by his shallowness. Now it makes sense because she's just as shallow. They are both superficial and poorly written, a match made in heaven.

@jborrego2406

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you that’s the reason why it’s so funny that she was mad when he said beauty and that’s it like lady the only reason why you like him is because he’s handsome with muscles

@WobblesandBean

6 жыл бұрын

I'm more annoyed at the fact that literally nothing had changed. He fucked up, and then she's singing his praises when literally nothing has changed. I know she's desperate, but damn.

@nigachan704

5 жыл бұрын

In this is my idea she said "I see inside him and my doubts are gone" god people....

@beethovensfidelio

5 жыл бұрын

Niga chan Then why did she call off the wedding? She claims that it’s because Derek only wanted her for her looks, but she still is in love with him, despite being a sexist jerk. Why does she take him back? If she says that Derek’s “inner beauty” is what attracted her to him, why does she call off the wedding anyway? It’s one thing if she said that she’ll only marry him under the condition that he stop being a shallow jerk and therefore they should get to know each other first, but that never happens, plus they had their entire lives to get to know each other. She still takes him back and they get married in the end. Even if your fiancé fucks up, that doesn’t mean you just call off a wedding.

@beethovensfidelio

5 жыл бұрын

Niga chan How does she know Derek is nice if he didn’t even speak to her? He just smiled at her like a goofball.

Everything Wrong with Rothbart's plan: 1. If he wants take her Kingdom by marrying her LEGALLY, why not hypnotize her into being in live with him? 2. A confession of one's undying love is what breaks the spell? Isn't that counterproductive to his plan? 3. If the light of the moon hitting the lake is what turns her back, what's to stop her from retaliating against him when he's not looking, while in her human form? 4. Even if Audet did agree to marry him, what's to stop her from breaking it off after her spell is lifted. 5. What's to stop her from flying away as a swan, and finding someone to communicate with. 6. HE LIVES IN A PRETTY GORGEOUS LOOKING CASTLE (for a villain) AND HAS THE POWER TO CONJURE ANYTHING AND LIFE OUT OF THIN AIR!! WHY WASTE HIS TIME IN ADUTE'S KINGDOMW WHEN HE CAN MAKE HIS OWN!!!??

@franicsglasco1727

5 жыл бұрын

that on Nostalgia Critic

@FoxieRoxie365

5 жыл бұрын

Franics Glasco I knew that it sounded familiar

@MrWill9002

3 жыл бұрын

7. Couldn't he just threaten someone Odette loves to get her to marry him? 8. If Rothbart could change anyone into anything, why doesn't he do that? (And I mean WAY before he actually does it

@osmanyousif7849

3 жыл бұрын

Well, in defense for step 5, she doesn't even know where Rothbart has taken her so she doesn't even know how to escape, either as a swan or in human form. It would take days before she can find Derek's kingdom and how do you think she can communicate as a swan. Derek nearly killed her believing she was The Great Animal for crying out loud.

@MrWill9002

3 жыл бұрын

@@osmanyousif7849 Which brings in more stupidity (on Derek's plan) since ANYONE could be the Great Animal. I COULD be the Great Animal! *Derek shoots an arrow at me* Hey chill you fucking maniac! *He shoots another one at me* Hey! Put the safety on that thing!!! *he shoots another one at me* See my point?! *He finally shoots me* OW!!!!!!!

Gotta admit that Derek and Odette's singing voices are angelic. Especially Odette's. R.I.P., Michelle Nicastro :( .

@jenneacoleman-cubero2365

6 жыл бұрын

Got a point. Michelle still did a wonderful job for Odette, singing and voice acting. And the movie could've been better if the mistakes Bob had pointed out were improved. Most of them seemed easy to fix such as developing Derek and Odette's relationship more.

@Passions5555

5 жыл бұрын

She died?

@saraanderson3477

4 жыл бұрын

She will always be Odette for me❤️

@icklesquish89

4 жыл бұрын

Odette was sung by Liz Callaway in the first movie

So, at least according to Wikipedia, this Richard Rich guy directed all of the Swan Princess movies (as well as wrote and produced the original trilogy), and _also_ directed Alpha and Omega 2, 3, and 4, as well as having produced the first 5 movies of that series. Strap in, people, because it's the Alpha and Omega series all over again.

@pennysanchez7656

4 жыл бұрын

At least I liked the original Swan Princess trilogy, and kinda liked the forth one just from Number 9 the cat.

@kenthuang436

3 жыл бұрын

@7Marx7 Well *that* explains a lot!

@remixchild

2 жыл бұрын

Damn he makes don bluth look like Walt Disney

Your suit and costume budget must be off the charts, Bob.

@nobodyyouknow1065

6 жыл бұрын

Brandon Roberts It wouldn’t be the same without them.

Odette has to be on the lake and when the moonlight touches her wings she transforms into a human. Once she transforms she can come and go as she pleases, but once the moonlight leaves the lake she’ll turn back into a swan no matter where she is. If she wants to become human again, she has to be back on the lake the following night. This is what ties her to the lake and keeps her from running away. It’s really simple, the explain it several times during the movie.

something that's annoyed me about this movie ever since I was forced to watch it years ago was that Odette's father and Derek's mother were both shown to be old people as the two were merely toddlers, but both parents live assumedly to their kids' late teens.

@alinmated

6 жыл бұрын

Ben Wood omg this

@gracekim25

6 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, the parents didn’t age one bit😱

@TheAngelmisa

6 жыл бұрын

Ben Wood Well Aurora and Philip's parents in Disney's sleeping beauty didn't age either when philip and Aurora grew up.

@benwood5659

6 жыл бұрын

well, I remember that at least aurora's parents were drawn in their 30s or something as opposed to this king's and queen's 50s. and besides, sleeping beauty was released at the end of the 1950s. this movie was made in the 90s.

Adding "Deadpool the musical" in the end was just perfect

@santarosa393

6 жыл бұрын

I agree 😃

Just a random thought: what if in all those years they had to meet as children, Odette had one specific feature to her (lets say she likes a certain kind of music) that Derek always overlooked. And in the scene where he chooses the wrong Odette, the "faker" is shown to not have that trait. It always bothered me as a kid that Derek had no way to tell if this was Odette and so it wasnt his fault. If he really have had a chance (by seeing the character difference) and he just ruined it, would make it better in my opinion.... (Sorry for the bad english)

You know, I just noticed the mom is drawn as an old woman for the entire movie...wouldn't she be a little younger when the kids are? And....now I want to see Deadpool the musical again...lol

@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty

3 жыл бұрын

Same for the Dad.

I loved this movie when I was little but now all I keep thinking on was how much better it would have been to have Odette be more like her younger self.This is a neat princess, only to get the demotivated treatment once she is of marrying age....

Deadpool is my favorite Disney Princess.

@Moonbeam143

6 жыл бұрын

The Super Monteiro Bros. Why so serious?

@pinkiepoolgamerbrony2789

6 жыл бұрын

Deadpool is NOT a princess he's a Superhero

@Moonbeam143

6 жыл бұрын

PinkiePool GamerBrony9 Deadpool can be anything he wants to be when he grows up.

@diegobareno5820

6 жыл бұрын

He's Also my favorite princess.

@Silveraro

4 жыл бұрын

He’s not a princess He’s a god damn queen

It looks like even Prince Derric realizes that the plot point with the vow is stupid. I think he's screaming at the screenwriters

@diegobareno5820

6 жыл бұрын

Wow, I never looked at it that way.

@melissalayson7275

Жыл бұрын

I never thought of it that way. It's brilliant.

Wouldn't it make more sense if Odette would be trapped as a swan forevermore until she married Rothbart than die?

@sillyface6950

3 жыл бұрын

I know it's been 3 years since you put this comment but I'm going to reply anyway and say that its because he can't marry a swan. he needs her to be a human not an animal.

@annieandelsieofarendelle3294

3 жыл бұрын

@@sillyface6950 Well, he also can't marry a dead person and claim her inheritance. And he could also reverse the spell when she agrees to marry.

@sillyface6950

3 жыл бұрын

@@annieandelsieofarendelle3294 his plan changed to kill them both and to try once again to take over both kingdoms by force. he was fed up of Odette refusing him. also he probably hoped Derek would be emotionally weakened but the fact the vow of love was the reason for her death.

@annieandelsieofarendelle3294

3 жыл бұрын

@@sillyface6950 Okay. Still strange.

Also, little thought, here. Maybe Odette dying if Derrick confessed to someone else makes some sense in that swans mate for life, and I mean, I've known cases where a swan would die of grief if it's partner died (legit happened in my local park: some swans were introduced, and they were a mated pair. Some hooligans killed one and the other died from sadness since it's mate was gone). Not exactly on the same caliber, but in theory, Odette now being such a creature would mean that if she were torn from her romantic partner, she'd be more susceptible to death by sorrow due to the increased emotional state of the animal she was turned into. ...Or I'm reading too deep into this. XP

@melissalayson7275

2 жыл бұрын

No. You actually explained one of the biggest potholes in this movie.

- "We need to focus more on _true_ love this time around" - Odette and Derek's entire relationship is based on sexual attraction O k a y

Despite its flaws, I love this movie. Rogers is so snarky and I like the songs. I want a Brunhilda (the armour princess) movie too. ^-^ However I agree Derek and Odette should've been fleshed out more. Jasmine had more evidence to call out her dad, Jafar, and Prince Ali Abawa on treating her like a trophy prize. If the movie had enough balls this would've been a great movie about lust vs love. Odette showcasing her talents while Derek just focused on her beauty or better yet gender flip. Odette yearning for that perfect prince only to confront her own shallow nature when dismissing Derek's skill at archery or his love for his mom Uberta. Seriously. HECK keep the evil twin subplot and teach that if you only care about physical attractiveness you can easily be replaced. Sorry my post is long. Thanks for the review and looking forward to your next episode.

@Chicothestyx

6 жыл бұрын

I agree. The whole Vow of Everlasting love not counting would have made more sense if Derek learned a little more about the fake Odette during the Ball and therefore made the vow completely useless since he wasn't in love with the real Odette. It would have made his superficial views a good plot point and he would learn a lesson of true love by the end. Also they should have just made Odette ugly ( Or as ugly as Diet Disney goes for ) throughout childhood so this whole shebang can get rolling.

@unamed2516

5 жыл бұрын

Chico Styx Well at least it seemed like that’s they were trying to do that in the beginning when they gave her orange hair and freckles and made her wear boy clothes. I think that was a very short ugly duckling phase.

@alijahaskew4644

4 жыл бұрын

While I don't like this movie, I will say this: It's a lot better than the movies that proceed it.

@osmanyousif7849

3 жыл бұрын

Rogers: You should write a book: How To Offend Women In Five Syllables Or Less.

The general idea of shoving betrothed royal children together from a young age in hopes that they would at least have some form of affection for one another was extremely common for the time. Odett sees beyond Derik’s looks. The song makes it clear she loves the warmth of his smile and the kind of man he’s growing up to be.

a few questions about this film. why doesn't rothbart have his daughter in this version? I see no reason replacing her with the old lady if they are going to have her play the same purpose as the daughter when he makes her look like odette. in the ballet the reason he uses his daughter is because she already looks like odette because they are both the same age and same body type so disguising her is easy. why didn't Derek go though multiple different looks as a child like odette did? what is the point of having them grow up together if it's not going to relevant in any way? it's a good idea to have them grow up together to build their romance though out the years and it's different from any Disney princess romance and if they used it correctly it could have come in to play in many clever ways. Like for example foreshadowing a lot of the traits that they will have later in the film.

@ariannewingard1660

6 жыл бұрын

This... Someone should write a AU fanfic about your idea .

@NakanoMiku-chan-z2m

6 жыл бұрын

why don't you do it?

@samaustin339

6 жыл бұрын

Already on it!

@atotalfiasco4213

6 жыл бұрын

Links????? Please???

@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty

3 жыл бұрын

Ig to avoid it being possibly creepy by trying to marry a girl of his daughter's age and looks..? That's my only justification.

The franchise curse hits Bobsheaux once again. Hope you have plenty of Captain Morgan available.

@otakon17

6 жыл бұрын

Hey, at least this one is kinda enjoyable compared to that garbage the 3D Christmas special was.

@quinnzykir

6 жыл бұрын

Or sailor jerry

@stlouisrocker100

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah but this is as good as this series gets.

@sherlocksmuuug6692

6 жыл бұрын

This gonna be gooooooood...

@rayelgatubelo

6 жыл бұрын

Well, it's the Swan Princess, so it should probably be Smirnoff Vodka instead. Still, as bad as this movie is, the Crest Entertainment sequels are Motorcycling Rockbiter levels of jumping the shark.

I'll be honest, I actually enjoy the original movie and even a bit the second. I know people like a rag on The Swan Princess, but I honestly didn't think it was that terrible of a movie.

@blondbraid7986

6 жыл бұрын

I liked it as a kid. Maybe it doesn't have much to offer adults, but as a kid I thought it was a fun and exciting movie.

@siennaavery5962

5 жыл бұрын

TravellingStoryteller I can see it maybe be a guilty pleasure

@beethovensfidelio

4 жыл бұрын

Sienna Avery Same for me. It’s a movie I definitely watched A LOT when I was little, and while it does have its moments (like the songs, the animal sidekicks, and Rogers’ deadpan snark), it’s pretty flawed, like the leads having no chemistry, the villain’s incredibly dumb plans, and the film’s broken aesop (Odette condemns Derek for being shallow, yet she takes him back even though we never learn from Odette what she likes about Derek outside of his looks).

@Emisop

4 жыл бұрын

Because you have your rose-colored nostalgia glasses on.

@beethovensfidelio

4 жыл бұрын

Brianna Chiavetta Well duh. It’s a nostalgic guilty pleasure for me.

Woah. Their voices are way different then from what I remembered when I was little

@TsukasaFanTc

6 жыл бұрын

Marcus Zyker I think he pitched them up a little bit to avoid KZread's BS

@quinnzykir

6 жыл бұрын

TsukasaFanTc you’re probably right :D

@ARCtheCartoonMaster

6 жыл бұрын

Actually, the reason it sounds like this is because it’s the PAL version, which for some reason is usually a semitone higher than the original. This is the version I grew up with, since I watched it on a videotape purchased in the UK (and since I grew up in Australia, I would’ve seen it in the PAL format anyway).

@quinnzykir

6 жыл бұрын

ARC the Clarinet Master wha?

I find the movie to be good for what it is. Sure there are some issues like not having any Swan Ballerina Dances, a few animation errors in the background, and some stupid character personalities that the characters have that they shouldn't like the queen forgetting Odette and Derek not sure what to say about Odette as a person than beauty. But I do like it with it's fun music, likable characters, nice animation, and a story that's well told (despite it should've been based on the ballerina dance)

@blondbraid7986

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, I quite liked this movie when I saw it as a kid. The animation is nice and the songs are fun.

@Caldella

6 жыл бұрын

This movie is massively flawed, but I did enjoy it when I was young.

This wasn't so bad. The Sequels suck though

@goufr3540

6 жыл бұрын

Still not as bad as Alpha and Omega.

@wiibrockster

6 жыл бұрын

CWDTrixie Yeah

@Tirnel_S

Жыл бұрын

The second isn't bad, imo. After that, what little I've seen, I agree.

7:08 The audience watching this movie in an nutshell XD

The sheer amount of plot holes this movie has is ridiculous... like, did they write it in one draft? Great review btw!! Looking forward to seeing more of Swan Princess Month!!

@losnfjslefn8857

6 жыл бұрын

Evan L Yeah, they obviously didn't put much thought into the plot for this movie.

@aaronlandry3934

6 жыл бұрын

Evan L Yeah, I’m guessing this movie was rushed. That’d explain why it looks like a direct to DVD movie and the writing is so poor.

@Longshanks1690

6 жыл бұрын

Brandon Roberts Or The Last Jedi.

@diggerfan9319

6 жыл бұрын

And The Swan Princess franchise is the new Alpha and Omega with god-awful sequels! God help us!

17:38 Now I want to see a movie with the cyborg knight princess! Why did we have to get the sucky swan princess series!

@TommyDeonauthsArchives

6 жыл бұрын

Jesse Mackinnon *Prince* *Derek:* Uh... This knight princess looks kinda weird... especially in her face... I don't think we'll get along- *Professor* *Oro* *from* *Dingo's* *Dinosaur* *Adventure:* Nope! Too late! You must be of taking her! I spent all of the last months building her! Now I must fly off to the woods research these scullian squirrels for their human holding capabilities! (Flies off to the Puma Man theme) *Oro:* PRINCEEEESSSSEEEESSS SCIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEENNNCCCEEEEE!

@gracekim25

6 жыл бұрын

Hmm... I could try to do a story on her some day

@angelsartandgaming

6 жыл бұрын

"My name is Princess Andromeda of the Kingdom of Aries. For generations, civil war has plagued my kingdom. Everyday, I fight to protect my mother and father, my men who are loyal despite never knowing if they'll live to see tomorrow, and my horse Odysseus who has been my companion since childhood. I was struck by warring soldier, leaving my face dismembered and mangled... I could have died that day... but by miracle, some soldiers were able to save me as well as the royal medics. They managed to fix my face, granted not all my bones could be saved. I was given prosthetics. I can say, I love it! I still appear glamorous while keeping the appearance of a princess and a commander. When I heard of Derrick's request for a bride, I traveled far along with Odysseus to hopefully meet him. If we were to be wed, our kingdoms will unite, our armies merge, and hopefully stop the raging war. I've heard tales of him being rather handsome. But before we left, I made myself a dress of armor so that way, if ambushed, I shall be protected. We finally made it to the kingdom. Derrick is prettier than I imagined. Odysseus seemed to like him too. However, he seemed off put by my appearance. There were other princesses that came in to woo this prince... if I can't marry him, maybe I can speak politics to him. I have to save my kingdom from this civil war, I have to. He declared his love to someone else by the name of Princess Odette. This means that the kingdoms will not unite but I am not discouraged. It means I have to fight a little bit longer. I will. And hopefully, one day, the war will end."

@98953812

6 жыл бұрын

Angel Gonterman ...................... *slow clap*

@angelsartandgaming

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

How far apart in age are they? Derek is already a toddler while Odette is a baby, but when they are both kids, they look to be the same age.

That turtle sounds depressed like a Meh Emoji.

@RavenFoxAudio

6 жыл бұрын

That's because it's the same voice actor, Steven Wright. LMAO

@wstine79

6 жыл бұрын

Raven Fox Audio I figured

@pennysanchez7656

4 жыл бұрын

@@RavenFoxAudio It makes sense for him. Speed is a turtle, turtles are slow. His voice matches his types. He. talks. slow.

I will confess that this movie is a guilty pleasure. I love Odette and she still holds up as my favorite Non-Disney princess , Lord Rogers is hilarious himself as well, I actually enjoyed Odette's animal friends. But I really hate the romance in this movie and Odette's suitors: one is a manipulative creep and the other is a shallow moron.

We're Diet Disney!

I do like the animation for when the change from Swan to Human happens. One of the reasons I wanted to watch this so bad as a kid. The bat monster and the pretty swan in the trailer made little me go ape shit.

Barbie version is so much better. Great review 😘

@turboking9238

6 жыл бұрын

Kropka308 You think he's gonna review that?

@santarosa393

6 жыл бұрын

I agree 💕💕💕

@TommyDeonauthsArchives

6 жыл бұрын

Kropka308 Then again... Both Swan Princess 1 through 3 and Barbie in Swan Lake are much better than the direct to DVD junk we get now a days. I've see Bob's let's watch of Monkey Up and it is an absolute insanity trip of a movie.

@gracekim25

6 жыл бұрын

Kropka308 agreed

@brandyloutherback9288

6 жыл бұрын

Not least because it, I don't know...ACTUALLY uses music from TCHAIKOVSKY!

7:51 - 7:56 King William: "We're not Disney. No matter how much we try to make it look, we'll never be Disney!"

@FoxieRoxie365

5 жыл бұрын

- Nostalgia Critic

6:33 - 6:45 Derek: "Look, she makes my hose jump, okay? It's the middle ages! Love is like an appetizer: good to start out with, but not essential."

If Possible, could you review Don Bluth's Thumbelina?

@dtoons1100

6 жыл бұрын

Yes! That’d be a fun one to review.

@FRALICESAW15

6 жыл бұрын

But I love Thumbelina

@madieshion3422

6 жыл бұрын

That was a good movie but yeah pls review it.

@FRALICESAW15

6 жыл бұрын

Madie Shion idk why people say it's bad. Sure you can argue she could of got on the bird, but come on.

@lukeperkins1024

6 жыл бұрын

I think Jacquimo had memory loss because he must've forgotten to force Thumbelina to get on him and the movie would finish quickly, so they decided to give Thumbelina an "adventure" to pad out.

0:42 Wow! Bobsheaux is pulling a Phelous by showing the thumbnail image within the video!

@alexemery5747

6 жыл бұрын

Tommy Deonauth's Archives I would have gone with Cinema Snob

@sherlocksmuuug6692

6 жыл бұрын

The swan got wet when she landed in the lake, she is completely useless now

@TommyDeonauthsArchives

6 жыл бұрын

Alex Emery Brad mostly does that during the middle of his Snob episodes. Phelous tends to put his title card after his cold opening in his videos.

@TommyDeonauthsArchives

6 жыл бұрын

Sherlock Smuuug Oddette didn't need the water to be wet, because given her weak character development, she never had a use.

@DarknessIsTheTruth

6 жыл бұрын

Now I want a Bobsheaux and Phelous crossover. Call it Bobshelous.

And after this movie, poor Richard Rich would also go on to do that God-awful animated adaptation of the 'King and I', which killed any future hope of a good animated musical adaptation of the works of Rogers and Hammerstein.

This movie is a classic example of "studios who aren't Disney trying *WAY* too hard to be Disney".

Is it just me. Or is Dereck very emotionally neglectful and possessive in this relationship?? Especially in the later sequels. ' _Even when you arent here, it is like you are here with me_ !' Yep.

Derek and Odette loved eachother without realizing it. They probably did not love eachother as children, but when they became pre-teens it became a plutonic love. From the beginning, Odette was always the one trying to gain Derek's approval. She was alway the first to bow, chased after Derek when they were children and convinced him to play dress up. Odette was the first of the two to develop feelings, as girls mature more quickly. You also see Odette's maturity when understanding her royal duties as she waves at the public. Derek's feelings came later in their teens when Odette came into some of her looks. Derek begins to include Odette in their games. Derek's best friend says , "I think you sorta like her fess-up"....when Odette is flirting with the castle guard while Derek looks on with jealousy because he likes her. When Odette is finially her most beautiful, Derek admits to wanting to be with her. Young men are usually driven by looks. When Derek finally wants to marry Odette, she already knows he loves her, but wants him to have the maturity to admit why he does. During their last meeting she folds her arms saying, "He's so immature..." Odette always had her doubts about Derek's character. On their first meeting Odette says, "He looks conceited..." or when Derek and his best friend sling-shot a tomato at her. Odette probably still has insecurities from those childhood memories and simply does not want to be with him now that she's "pretty". Odette says, "I need to know he loves me for me."

I hate to nit-pick you, Bobsheaux, but in the beginning, nothing was said about a son. The narrator just said he had no heir, which could mean a son or daughter. (or perhaps you have a reworked copy of some sort?) and not all Pate is goose liver, some is duck liver or pork liver. Sometimes chicken liver. I see where you were going with it though. Other than that, yeah, this movie is a complete plot hole riddled mess.

@TheAngryXenite

6 жыл бұрын

TsukasaFanTc It's a European kingdom in the middle ages. A king lacking a son is largely the same as him lacking an heir because it took a lot for female rulers to be accepted. If they didn't have any other suitable male members of the family with claims to the throne, then yeah, they'd do it, but it's traditionally a good way to trigger a succession crisis.

Odette has serious Ariel bangs!

5:45, Speaking of Sleeping Beauty, the beginning reminds me a lot of the Disney classic Baby princess and toddler prince; parents hope they'll join their kingdoms; prince and princess eventually fall in love. Heck, Odette looks a little bit like Aurora!

2:30 True, way too much hair. I had a lot of hair as a baby, but I've never seen a baby with that much hair.

Now we know what Joker was referring his boss,s fine singing voice.

@lukeperkins1024

6 жыл бұрын

I never knew Jack Palance could sing!

@MrAlman8

6 жыл бұрын

Ya do now! Yeah hes got the stuff, and that is a pretty good song too.

@98953812

6 жыл бұрын

He was our NUMBER ONE GUY!!

Odette is very well drawn :p such beauty for a non-disney Princess.

But don't forget, ANYONE could be the Great Animal, I COULD BE THE GREAT ANIMAL!! *Derek shoots an arrow at me and misses* HEY CHILL YOU PSYCHO!!! *he shoots another one* Hey, put the safety on that thing!! *He fires another one as i flee for my life*

R:" Sure Barbie is nice and girly and all but... We need to focus on true love this time around." Andy Serkis " WHAT IS LOVE?! BABY DON'T HURT ME, DON'T HURT ME, NO MORE!!"

Tbh I kind of see the relationship between Derek and Odette as a parallel of Gilbert and Anne in Anne Of Green Gables. Initially starting out as a petty rivalry, but forming a sense of respect for one another through that and romantic feelings soon following. Idk I’m just a fan of the classics.

The relationship between them was likely from the start to escalate into romance because of propinquity. Being forced to spend time with someone of the gender you're attracted to from birth until adulthood will likely breed some form of romance even if the people aren't very compatible otherwise.

Since you where supposed to review a Barbie movie, can you pleeeeeeeeeease review Barbie The swan Lake???

Hey Bob could you review the Disney version of Robin Hood? That movie has true love!

@goufr3540

6 жыл бұрын

THERE FURRIES IN TIGHTS...TIGHTS TIGHTS. Oh wait, wrong version.

@turboking9238

6 жыл бұрын

CWDTrixie It's ok, comon misconception

@gracekim25

6 жыл бұрын

True

@unamed2516

5 жыл бұрын

CWDTrixie I don’t know any other adaptation of Robin Hood by Disney but the one with animals, or were you just being sarcastic?

@annasvideoz

5 жыл бұрын

I was so in love with Robin Hood

Y'know, knowing swans as well as I do, I've always wondered why this story didn't get resolved the moment Rothbart turned Odette. Swans full FUCK YOU UP. Just whack the bastard, girl!, you're more than well equipped to do so! ...Also, I'm still thoroughly disturbed and confused as to why a bird has tits. It ain't right.

@ARCtheCartoonMaster

Жыл бұрын

Maybe those are her flight muscles? They somewhat resemble mammaries in real life too.

Looks like this is the sequel to the Alpha And Omega curse. And I've seen these movies through other reviews. Good luck, Bobsheaux.

ok, THAT'S IT. The politics of Game of Thrones is WAY easier to follow than this!!!!

@claytonharbaugh308

3 жыл бұрын

I actually got that reference.

@MrWill9002

3 жыл бұрын

@@claytonharbaugh308 cool

I never realized how badly Derek fucked up in the beginning in the movie lmao

Funny that you mentioned Barbie in the beginning and then how this movie didn't use tchaikovsky's score, when the Barbie version of this story is so much better and does have tchaikovsky score

15:57 🎵"Up 'till now I've pulled my punches...I intend to eat their lunches!"🎵 😂

@brendanforester4601

6 жыл бұрын

Lady_Yuna How diabolical of him. Planning for 20 years to rob people of their mid day meals. Lol

They should've stopped at the first one imo . .The fact that they grew up together and he couldn't name that She was very good at card games which show her to be pretty clever and cunning really bugged me.

5:12 "Suddenly became a swan" To quote Wabuu from "Dingo Pictures'" "Beauty and the Beast:" "your foreshadowing is soooooooo stuuuuupid."

Boy, whoever is voicing Rothbart, he just... cannot sing. That was terrible. Also, stupid plan indeed. If you are a shapeshifting wizard, you could just take over the country by force, no?

@osmanyousif7849

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, I mean this line in the movie: Rothbart: What I really want, is your father's kingdom. Odette: Take it, then! You have enough power! And I'm like, she is right. Why doesn't Rothbart just do that?

It's Disney scraps the film. Somethings are good like the prince and princess knowing each other for a long time. (It seems like what Aurora and Philip's lives would have been like if they invited Maleficent so she wouldn't get petty. Doesn't help that they rip off Sleeping Beauty alot in this film). But then they mess it up by making them not learn anything about each other. At least Disney shows the romantic interest talking in the older films. All of them have a meet-cute. But Rotbarth is a half baked Jafar with all the legal talk (Jafar made the sultan do it but to the common people they wouldn't know.) The frog is terrible. I think the turtle has potential. if Odette had a character so she could understandably be upset about her father dying and worried about her kingdom and also freaked out about being a swan a easygoing and calm turtle would contrast and help Odette be grounded.

I love watching this movie but yes many things about it bothers me: -Why do Odette and Derek need to fall in love? If you're royalty you marry who you are told, whether you like it or not. -Why didn't William and Ubertha marry if they wanted to join kingdoms and had absent spouses? -Derek initially doesn't like Odette because he assumes she won't like to do the manly activities he enjoys, but then we see her sword fighting with him and wrestling, and yet he still dislikes her? -Theyve spent their lives hating each other, yet when they meet again as adults were supposed to believe they just kinda "realize' they're actually in love? How does she look inside him just by him smiling instead of frowning for once? So yeah talk about forced and poorly argued -how dare Derek call her an ugly duckling she was literally adorable in every age stage, also they see each other every year right, so why is he just now seeing her face, that's been that way for a while, and going "woah"? -odette refuses to marry him and yet still wants him, is still hoping he can convince her to change her mind? And then she gets kidnapped and is all "I will marry Derek and you can't stop me"? Like girl if you wanted to do that so bad why did you say no when he asked?? - for some reason rothbard thinks the swan spell and no other threats will make his plan work, also WHY a swan?? - yeah I don't get the point of the animal companions or rothbards assistant - if Odette realized there would be no moon tomorrow, why didn't she run after Derek to his castle to explain before she turned back into a swan? - does Derek's friend live in the castle with him or something? - why does rothbard decide all of a sudden he'd rather kill Odette as punishment for trying to fool him than just keep her from going and force her to marry him? - I also don't get why Derek made the wrong vow, I mean he didn't say a different name nor did he intentional think of someone other than the right person, but since he gestured at Bridgette that's all the magic needed? - also how did Odette learn the cure to her spell anyway, did rothbard also tell her how to break it? - Ubertha decides to still have the ball even though derrek says he intends to marry someone he's already met, I get it's to break the spell and all but she doesn't know that, why does she care about holding a ball to convince her son to get married if he already told her he is going to? Really she should have just canceled it and he should have told her he found Odette I was gonna keep going but this is probably long enough :p

Raven, you’re brilliant.😁 thank you for giving him the love suit

@RavenFoxAudio

6 жыл бұрын

I've been trying to get him into that suit for over a YEAR! LOL

@gracekim25

6 жыл бұрын

Raven Fox Audio thanks for replying 😎(I’m a huge fan of both of you😍)

There are actually a lot of people who like this movie. And if you see it in context, you can see why. It was released in the period in which everyone (including Don Bluth) was ripping off Disney, and in a way, it is the best of the bunch.

Today I saw this movie for the first time and I'm surprised there's a point that no reviewer ever brings up: We go from Odette learning the curse's rules to Derek practicing how to hunt, and then back to the lake where Odette already talks to the comic-relief animals and knows Jean-Bob and Speed enough to call them her "best friends". Again, I had never watched it before, so at first I thought Netflix had deleted the scene where she first meets them and learns that the spell allows her to talk to animals, but checking other sources (wikipedia, TV tropes, IMDB, other reviews and even searching "Swan Princess deleted scenes" on youtube) it turns out that there never was such deleted scene. She met them and discovered she could talk to animals OFF-SCREEN. Why is no one talking about this? Why doesn't it even appear in TV Tropes' headscratchers page? Even Brother Bear, wich I did not like, had a scene establishing the rules about animal talk and kept them consistent. It didn't go from Kenai learning he's a bear to Kenai already talking to previously-not-talking animals and knowing Koda enough to call him his brother after meeting him off-screen. It's like jumping from the first act to the second act without a scene bridging them.

They could’ve sold the romance a bit more if they just changed a few lines

Bobsheaux: “Your plan to find the Great Animal is to kill everything in the forest?! Thats a STUPID idea!!!!” *KateHumph’s pack and their friends (minus Lily & Garth) wander into the forest* Bobsheaux: “Never mind! Proceed!!!”

Nostalgia Critic also says What else is there to Odette?

Warning; long as hell comment. Ok, I finally saw the whole movie again after 20 years and I can't believe how much of the movie is actually rage inducing. First of all, they needed to explain in better detail about Odette's birth, as in what happened to her mother. Shouldn't William have been present if it was her final moment?? Next, Rothbarts motivation for the taking of the kingdom should've been much more fleshed out rather than "I just want it". Third, how can they teach children that you only love a person for their looks?! The two did not want anything to do with each other for the past several years, but they see how hot they turned out as adults and now they're all goo goo eyes at each other? No, that's not how love works, not at all! Now, here's how I think the story would've been better: 1. William mourns the loss of his wife (the queen obviously), who died giving birth to their daughter. Seeing her little face for the first time eases his pain and he vows to always be there whenever she needs him. 2. The whole idea to have Derek and Odette spend ever summer together stays the same, but they only dislike each other for the first half of the first summer. Here's an idea for a scene I had to make the animosity disappear: Derek and Odette are walking through the woods near the palace by order of their parents to make them stop fighting and simply talk to each other. A few minutes in, Odette isnt watching where she steps and falls into a small pit of mud, needless to say this would cause her much distress. Derek is about to laugh, but seeing her to the point of tears causes him to rethink this and instead grabs a branch with his left hand and offers his right hand to get her out. Odette, surprised by his small act of kindness, reaches out to grab Derek's hand, only for the branch to snap and now have the both of them in the mud. Odette wipes the mud off of her face, Derek does the same but the way he does it makes it look like he has a beard and bushy eyebrows, along with his hair being spiky. Odette sees this and after a few seconds of staring (Derek: what??), she starts laughing at his ridiculous appearance. Pulling out a small mirror from her pocket, she faces it at Derek, who stares in shock before, surprisingly, joins Odette in the laughter. Rogers, having lost sight of them, hears their laughter, pulls them out of the mud and escorts them back to the palace, with Derek and Odette smiling at each other. The summer ends and the two kids eagerly await the next one. 3. Have the montage now be about Derek and Odette's growing relationship (have them both do a little nonsense with the slingshot and tomatoes to obnoxious people, have Odette teach Derek to have a better poker face, have him teach her archery, small scenes of them going on little dates [hand holding->leaning on each other->first kiss. Etc]). 4. Because of #3, Derek and Odette NOW have reasons as to why they love each other, so the "arrange the marriage" announcement now holds more water (btw, they both announce it, not just one of them). 5. Odette and William return to their kingdom set some final affairs in order before the ceremony and on the way there, they are intercepted by Rothbart. Derek finds out about the assault and rushes to save them both, only to meet a mortally wounded William. He manages to tell Derek about Rothbart, how he took Odette away and he entrusts Derek to find Odette before dying. Derek kneels down in sadness next to William, remembering the good days he spent with him as a child. 6. Rothbart reveals his motives to Odette (now a swan); he had nothing growing up and he saw how everyone else was happy and never even bothered to give him so much as a glance. He found out that he had an aptitude for retaining information from anything he read, especially magic text. He made a living as an enchanter, but it was never enough because there were other wizards who kept one uping him in skill and magic; even among his fellow wizards, he felt like an outcast. Bitter and resentful, he looked for stronger spells to show his worth, until he found the forbidden arts, spells that no other wizard dared to learn. Seeing as he would be the only one who would be brave enough to attempt it, Rothbart read the ancient texts and mastered the deadly magic. He became a powerful warlock, unrivaled and with no one who would dare challenge him, he used his powers to claim whatever he pleased. Unfortunately, the power of the forbidden arts corrupted his mind to the point where he decided that if he can claim mere trinkets and small fortunes, then a kingdom would be no hassle (Rothbart: No longer will anyone else look down upon me, princess. I will take your father's kingdom, I will rule over the land and everyone will worship me!). Rothbart leaves Odette on the lake, who cranes her neck back in sadness and wonders where Derek is now. 7. After a lengthy investigation, Derek finds Bridgette, who informs him about Rothbart's whereabouts. She explains that while everyone else fears him, only she understands his motivations. She tried caring for him when he was a child, but due to the resentment in his heart, he kept shutting her out and when he left on his own, she always made sure to know where he was at all times. She tells him the location of Swan Lake and they both ride off. 8. Odette tries to reason with Rothbart over his looming attack by saying that there are still good people in the world, Rothbart argues "then where were they when I was scavenging for whatever I could find? Bah, it doesn't matter anymore; soon I'll take what is mine. Odette: All this power will not bring you happiness, Rothbart. Rothbart: You're right; happiness must be taken. You should learn that now.) 9. Derek and bridgette arrive just as Rothbart is about to leave and he confronts him with William's sword (bestowed to him before his death). After a lengthy battle as the Great Animal (with actual powers instead of just animal abilities, Odette flying to distract him while Derek shoots his arrows at his wings to ground Rothbart, etc.), Derek pierces Rothbart through the heart, making him turn back and breaking the spell on Odette. Realizing that his end is near, Bridgette offers Rothbart some comfort by reminding him that she never left him, she always stood a few steps behind him to make sure he was always in her sight. Realizing that there are in fact good people just like Odette said, Rothbart was filled with regret, especially with the knowledge that he killed her father. Odette, not knowing hate in her heart, forgives him for everything. Bridgette hugs Rothbart in a mix of sadness and calm, he smiles softly before turning to stardust. Derek and Odette embrace before returning to the castle (offering Bridgette a place there). 10. The usual happy endings (sorry, got tired. Heheh.) There. The point I'm trying to get across is that people have to try to make these types of movies, not just go formulaic and contrived. I've seen people write fanfiction about several types of genre's and they put their all into making something they're passionate about (I'm one of them). So yeah, you have to put EFFORT into your story.

@marshallhuffer4713

4 жыл бұрын

That is a way better story. Especially how Derek and Odette developed their love for each other.

@gisselmontoya

3 жыл бұрын

I like this story way better than the original! It explains everything and their love for each other.

14:23 Derek: and by the whole world, i mean the amount of people i can fit into one room. Uh...I hope the spell's not a number cruncher

I don’t care what you say about The Swan Princess it was one of 3 movies that kept me entertained and happy after my heart surgery had me in an unbearably itchy concrete corset for months. It will always be precious to me.

Bob, why didn't you mention Steven Wright as the voice of Lorenzo Trudgealong (aka Speed) and Steve Vinovitch as the voice of Puffin?

Love you man ♥️always a joy to see these pop up in my subscription box. Never stop doing what you do :)

"what else is there?" noooo the correct response is "theres more to love?"

How I would fix this movie. 1. The music- There’s way too many fucking pointless musical numbers. Only use them when there’s a point. 2. The characters relationship with Ralph Bart- Make it where they never banished Ralph Bart, but rather he’s the advisor for one of the kingdoms. Where the king/queen trust Ralph more than they do their own son/daughter. 3. Slowly develop the character’s relationship- Sure you can start it out where they dislike or even hate each other. But maybe show them slowly growing as a couple, such as sharing common interests, having good times, them helping each other become better people, and then eventually start dating. No one hates someone one day and than randomly goes “Oh wait she’s hot so let’s screw each other”.

Roger was a fun character in the first film and some in the second butbthen the third film came and while not so bad it caused the fun sarcastic witty Roger that we know to down spiral to a love struck dunce to an inventor in the next few films.

Jesus Christ! That opening shirt nearly blinded me. Salmon pink. Always a good choice, King Candy . . . . .

and of course the kids are the same age. guess it helps the girl aged to 3 by the time the king threw her a party. edit: omg you killed me with the deadpool song lol!

2:29 Some babies are born with a full head of hair. It's rare, but it happens. But I agree with the Nostalgia Critic that she looks like a newborn 3-year-old. Also I almost expected Maleficent to show up at any second.

Nice use of Batman 1989 clip

Raven, you had GREAT choice. Loving that suit, yo. Also, definitely looking forward to these sequel reviews!

Fun Fact: Richard Rich ripped himself off, with the song 'Fare Lounger Than Forever' melody is from his Living Scriptures episode 'The Miracles of Jesus', the song 'The Miracle of Love' is the same melody.

18:45: I greet you with cheeto lightning!

@brendanforester4601

6 жыл бұрын

Wild Kiva I think of that line every time I watch a review of this movie during that part.

Can your review "The Secret Of Kells"?

@chaoticneutral7976

6 жыл бұрын

levi peabody Or Song of the Sea!

@levipeabody2344

6 жыл бұрын

Well, Bobsheaux hasn't reviewed something from Cartoon Saloon.

@CKprimeval07

6 жыл бұрын

Well with their third film, The Breadwinner, now out, maybe he could look at them.

@levipeabody2344

6 жыл бұрын

He could try, who knows, he'll might review all 3.

Just a little FYI, Prince Derek's name in the Swan Lake Play is Siegfried. And before any of you would think, no, he's not Siegfried from the Soul Calibur Games, but it would be could if Prince Derek would carry a 7 foot two handed Zweihander to fight the Great Animal. And have flowing long blonde hair with a scar on his right eye.

While still hypocritical, I have to give small praise to Odette for having some improvements over princesses in a couple of much better Disney films by questioning why they should wed.

To be fair, if his declaration of love worked, and lifted the curse, Odette would turn into a human while flying... which means she would die anyway

Man, sorry about the the reveiw of 1 and 2. I hope you get get them back up. Sony are such hacks it's depressing

Yea How did That Princess Loose her Nose, Was it in Battle, a Birth Defect, What? Reviewers Need Answers. GIVE US OUR ANSWERS!

If Odette's dad and Derek's mom want to unite their kingdoms, why don't they just marry each other?

@beethovensfidelio

5 жыл бұрын

Kelly Seastar Because that would make Derek and Odette step-siblings, and we can’t have incest in a kids movie. 😂

YESSS!!! Please do the rest of them!

the way odette didn't care a bit abt her father dying 💀

Thank U UR MY FAVORITE KZread CRITIC... Next to Nostalgia Critic U NEED MORE SUBSCRIBERS!!!!

I farted

22:20 OMG. That's literally my favourite video on KZread! Thank you Bobsheaux for giving me another excuse for watching the whole thing again! Love and greetings from Germany to you and Raven.

@RavenFoxAudio

6 жыл бұрын

Liebe und gute Wünsche für Sie! (used Google Translate so if this doesn't make sense, I apologize. LOL)

@GermanLeftist

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you (danke sehr). But in Germany we normaly only say "viele liebe Grüße" as a formula of greeting at the end of a message. And it's not necessary for you guys to use the formal "Sie" instead of the informal "Du" in this case either.