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@colorpg152

2 күн бұрын

is there any actual evidence he knew about her age and that he actually said anything illegal because otherwise this video is just slander, you really are falling off

@deltadestroyer1

2 күн бұрын

im not on doc Ds side or agaisnt doc D what i find is that everyone has an opion,specualtions hearsay etc and the court of public opion is the worst and needs destroying , a few tweets or messages that can easly be modified in this day and age all i say is if there is evidence then let it be for the poilice and the REAL court system and everyone else should shut up plain and simple it has nothing to do with us, as for his midnight sociity company they also shouldnt take the word of anyone untill the court or police issue a statment and shouldnt have let him go from his own company

@stereocodes

2 күн бұрын

Did you really just say that the internet is a proper court, and the people in it are a jury? surely you are not that dumb. This person went to a real court and "no wrongdoing" was established. But you didnt seem to mention that at all. How could someone who took twitch to court come out with a verdict like that? Well using some basic logic there are 3(at least) plausible scenarios. 1. The age of the user was never established in the conversations(most likely was the case) 2. The messages by the defendant (Guy) were benign in nature. As in the messages sent by them are non sexual or neutral. 3. not enough evidence to substantiate the claims of criminal activity or wrongdoing had occurred. The reason twitch could still ban him is that the messages could still break their TOS regardless of wrong doing or intent. But of course mentioning any of this ^ wouldnt be sensational enough for the likes and subscribes to keep this channel afloat, right? Lets also point out a few other facts, this cody guy also was promoting information about this in order to get people to show up at his live event. So he was dangling this information for self promotion. Definitely something a credible person would do right? source: reddit . com/r/Asmongold/comments/1dmqcmm/cody_conners_who_leaked_docs_ban_reason_is/ Another interesting bit is you showed some messages with a content creator(a s*x worker) leena love. you can find her youtube handle at the end of the clip you shared. This person is not claiming THEY were a minor. No what they are claiming is that he was dangling a promotional deal for sexual content. But in the messages she shared there is no such "deal" being proposed. But it doesnt seem like you did any kind of research around this or maybe you omitted on purpose for those likes I mentioned above... I think you could've done ground . com proud by making the video neutral instead of sensationalizing the content. but that doesn't get people viewing the video does it?

@infinitykiyen6270

2 күн бұрын

It still sucks that Twitch still didn't do anything despite all this. Texting a minors had always been common ever since they allow Bathtub streams. Even if they DIDN'T let it happen in their Whisper? They can still do in third-party platform. Dr Disrespect is the bad apple but just one out of millions of rotten apple still laying out... However what sucks is DrDisrespect popularity makes people blind to the one fact... "This happens in Twitch Whisper" It can got way worse with many grown women that are hot and texting minors... Even more that's their job...

@infinitykiyen6270

2 күн бұрын

Don't get me wrong this happens for dudes too like Andrew Tate. But I don't think Twitch allow "hot naked man" more than "hot naked women" So the ratio is obviously more on woman...

He's probably not even a real doctor

@nojabhere

3 күн бұрын

Don't say that he did my heart Surgery last year 😂

@perfidious333

3 күн бұрын

Fake news!

@m0ejo324

3 күн бұрын

​@@nojabhere Did he go "Yeah, yeah. Yeah yeah yeah"

@anselmoffrisia2930

3 күн бұрын

Beat me to it. 😅

@AgentHeroic

3 күн бұрын

He's a pediatrician, obviously

theres no such thing as a private message on a platform you dont own

@TheCanineContrarian

3 күн бұрын

There's no such thing as private messaged period. Literal cops can pull up even textessages on a phone you own regardless of if you own the company or not.

@Javano_

3 күн бұрын

End-to-end encryption!

@Cryostal

3 күн бұрын

Use Session

@boabs-bees

3 күн бұрын

@@Javano_ Tell that to everyone that got busted on Encro. End-to-End isn't what you think it is. There are still two devices, one being yours and the other the server it gets sent to. Gain access to the server and your "End-To-End" is rendered meaningless. Your message doesn't go from your phone to the other persons directly and most of the encryption used in modern VPN's is easily broken! The central server is vulnerable, your data isn't and was never secure.

@IT10T

3 күн бұрын

@@Javano_ Edward Snowden showed that Skype had a backdoor which allowed Microsoft to hand over their users' messages to the NSA despite the fact that those messages were officially end-to-end encrypted.

just a minor mistake...

@Johnyjohn-mc-jonjon

3 күн бұрын

Bruv...

@kevinwaddle447

3 күн бұрын

Or....a mistake with a minor...

@dsfs17987

3 күн бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@FallicIdol

3 күн бұрын

I see what you did there

@Davipo

3 күн бұрын

A miner mistake caused it to collapse.

Social Media: The high school nobody ever graduates from.

@user-mo4gc6zx9w

2 күн бұрын

I'd say social media is worse. In high school at least, you can and will get punched to the face if you act like an asshole. In social media, this is not the case for most people, allowing people to run their mouths without restraint.

@wheeeeeha

2 күн бұрын

You *CAN* quit though.

@ryucartel351

2 күн бұрын

​@@user-mo4gc6zx9w just ignore it. Don't be sensitive. Getting violent is for feminine men.

@wrongthinker843

2 күн бұрын

With the mentality of elementary and education of kindergarten.

@beardedlonewolf7695

2 күн бұрын

Glad I graduated and got the F out of there years ago.

"The Internet is the first thing that humanity has built, that humanity doesn't understand, the largest experiment in anarchy that we have ever had.” ~ Eric Schmidt

@DavionAngeles

2 күн бұрын

A mind set in its ways is wasted.

@buckrodgers1162

2 күн бұрын

@@DavionAngeles "An open mind is is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded." ~ Space Marine Librarian

@larrydickman6016

Күн бұрын

It's all Al Gore's fault "Remember America, I gave you the Internet and I can take it away.”

@nzeusman8215

Күн бұрын

Literally an experiment.

@brianjames9946

9 сағат бұрын

@@buckrodgers1162 it’s your online diary for the government to read.

The Whisper product was supposed to be 18+. So Twitch has some legal issues as well according to some lawyers, especially if a crime was committed.

@TheSpicyLeg

2 күн бұрын

As I recall, it required the user to accept those terms. Lying about your age voids it.

The suspicious thing to me is, why didn’t this get brought up to legal authorities if it happened in 2017?

@Devilinabag

2 күн бұрын

Someone went back to find them. Its just bytes of information so it wouldn't be difficult to hold that data for years. I believe I read once some ISPs will hold onto your search history for 1-2 years.

@colorpg152

2 күн бұрын

because its nonsense that is why

@dealspeed6756

2 күн бұрын

Because he didn't actually do anything wrong,a court of law saw the transcripts of the conversations with this minor and found no wrongdoing. Nothing he did warranted a ban from Twitch. That's why Twitch had to pay out his contract.

@leviticusprime4904

2 күн бұрын

@@dealspeed6756”he didn't actually do anything wrong” The man sent inappropriate messages to someone knowing they were minor.

@chukkie0001

2 күн бұрын

Company's don't want to deal with the government.

This is the first video I have seen that just lays out the timeline, allegations, and background. Short, simple, and to the point. No "reaction", no "how I feel" or "what I think". Thank you.

@pocketaces6756

3 күн бұрын

And a huge ad read in it too! High quality stuff!

@dbrownick

3 күн бұрын

@@pocketaces6756 mans gotta make money, I just fast forward past it. No biggie.

@pocketaces6756

3 күн бұрын

@@dbrownick I hear ya. He really didn't add anything that isn't already in 100 videos, but he did do a quality cash grab. I enjoy UE content, and I really don't care if he made one just for the money, which is what he did. I just think we should all be honest about it.

@overlordshiina

3 күн бұрын

@@pocketaces6756 Just going to point out that If you didn't care you wouldn't be making comment like that. Let's be honest about it.

@pocketaces6756

2 күн бұрын

@@overlordshiina I don't care, just thought that it needed to be pointed out. I am a UE fan. Obviously not as big a fan as you are. It should be in the open, what's wrong with that? I don't see why you are coming at me for saying it out loud? Obviously you "care" a bit too much. Kind of like how the Doc Stans care way too much and will never believe he did anything wrong. It's just sad.

This has been one of the most wild downfalls. Cheating. Underage texting. And trans OF models. Wild.

@vexthem

3 күн бұрын

He’s the champ!

@vexthem

3 күн бұрын

Of downfalls

@Butter_Warrior99

3 күн бұрын

The OF model is new to me.

@nojabhere

3 күн бұрын

The Doc doesn't discriminate 😂

@itsrjallday

3 күн бұрын

Haha tans OF models? What have I missed 🤣

He sank his own ship through lack of clarity. He needed to say that he wasn't able to discuss the topic as a preface to whatever tidbits he let out. The larger statement also lacks important context. Such as; Did he know it was a minor? Did he have reason to believe the person was over 18? 'There were no real intentions behind it' is utterly immaterial - whether or not he 'would have followed through' on his flirting isn't the issue, and only serves to inflame things. If the larger statement said; 'In 2017 I had discussions with a person using twitch 'whispers.' These were casual, but could be construed as inappropriate at times, and when I later on found out that this person was a minor, I (cut contact//or whatever else he did as a response)' I think he'd be in a much better spot. Presuming, of course, that he did cut contact, or privately apologise, or something in that vein. Fact is that we still don't know anything. People are bandying accusations about, but they're all just a little bit off, like trying to sell tickets off of it. I don't trust it. I haven't watched his streams. I don't think I intend to. My main take-away of this whole drama is which channels remain trustworthy after covering it. The ones who require proof, retain my trust. Because people are innocent until proven otherwise.

@sultanofswing7198

3 күн бұрын

Dude didn’t say that stuff when he could have. That speaks volumes. I assume now he knew her age. And when he mentions intent I assume the inappropriate stuff discussed was about meeting up. Either way he exposed himself for being dumb. The trans stuff is just funny. It is always the fake macho guys that love the trans

@yutro213

3 күн бұрын

@@sultanofswing7198 That's your problem, you _assume_ too much and that that as a sentence.

@kamikaze00007

3 күн бұрын

This is just second-hand info from some streamers talking about this, but apparently Twitch requires you to be 18+ to even have an account. Whispers requires 17+ when it was added. I guess that would make it something he would assume? I wouldn't even be surprised if he thought it was somebody trying to pull a fast one on him by pretending to be a menor, and so he tried to just ride the conversation and goad the other person just so he can toy with them as they make a fool out of themselves. At least, it kinda goes with what I hear is his personality with the whole "f with me? I'll f with you." machismo shtick. Either way, I haven't seen anybody actually show concrete evidence despite trying to sell people tickets and drama-content-farming. Would be much easier to know who to crucify if they just show it entirely already.

@tarektechmarine8209

3 күн бұрын

​@@sultanofswing7198 they did have a whole legal thing, him saying anything would be bad.

@ritzon2670

3 күн бұрын

If he didn't know the age of the person, that would be something he would have led with in his tweet, in the best case scenario based of his tweet, he is still a heinous individual.

I sponsor blocked the sponsor. Someone actually beat me to it, good on them!

@ishid_anfarded_king

3 күн бұрын

i swear sponsorblock contributors are in the same level as wikipedia editors.

@abdou.the.heretic

3 күн бұрын

@@ishid_anfarded_king it's more of a sticking it up to the big man with whatever power open source coders graced us with. Either do your part or forzver shut it in shame.

@spartanboosts

3 күн бұрын

Thank you! -from sponsorblock iPhone user

@Tb0n3

3 күн бұрын

At least it's not better help.

@DeviIInADress

3 күн бұрын

What’s sponsor block?

Bro heard 40 minors instead of 49ers

@thecooler69

Күн бұрын

hymenbusterdoc

This is one of the few times where no statement would have been better than what he did. Posting that twitter thread pretty much sealed his fate.

@GengoSenmon

3 күн бұрын

What you said is only half right. He felt compelled to 'clear the air' in order to continue profiting from streaming. Otherwise he thought his streams would be filled with people spamming nonstop about this. Shows you how arrogant and prideful he was that he got away with it in the settlement years ago. His decisions made out of greed and arrogance were his downfall.

@user-zj6tl2jt9h

2 күн бұрын

There's nothing he could have done or said to make it better. There is no winning in a situation. We expect people to disprove falsehoods these days.

@MetalGamer666

2 күн бұрын

He should have told Chat GPT to act like his personal lawyer and write up a statement for him. Would have been much better than that mess.

@ownage11445

2 күн бұрын

@@GengoSenmonhe of all people should know that chat is a toxic place and it should never be appeased

@matsimurf_5900

2 күн бұрын

It would have made no difference what he said, all this would have happened by default.

Who would have thought that a Clout Goblin would have ended Doc's career.

@danteshollowedgrounds

3 күн бұрын

That's so funny but cute in the way you put it. Goddam goblins they be everywhere.

@GesusEast

3 күн бұрын

Haha crack up

@KROGANLovesKittensAndPuppies

3 күн бұрын

"A good act does not wash out the bad, nor a bad act the good."

@SirRichard94

3 күн бұрын

Sexting a minor ended his career. The clout goblin just was the final spark.

@pocketaces6756

3 күн бұрын

Seems like Doc ended his own career. Maybe don't be a 35 year old man that sends inappropriate texts to a minor, it's not rocket science. But yeah, it's always someone else's fault.

People who want to believe the worst will think he's a .PDF who was trying to get it with a 13yr old. People who want to believe him will think he was just using language that'd be considered too naughty for the puritan social media, to a kid that was probably 17. There's a gap most people couldn't jump with their car between those two perspectives. Considering the level of ambiguity brought on from Twitch settling, grifters, Doc's own wording in his posts, and simple lack of any real data.. we won't be able to form properly informed opinions on this. Regardless, companies are going to drop him like the plague for bad press regardless of "how bad it was". That just makes sense at this point.

@FreePigeon

3 күн бұрын

It's not even wanting to believe him, it's going from this track record of Americans pearl clutching over adults messaging each other. Most of the time the girls end up being 17, which is an adult who can make her own decisions, and Twitter trying to ruin the guys life by accusing him of PDFilia. In no world is that fair or just. If there is evidence of him committing a crime go to the authorities, otherwise nothing of note has happened.

@arklaw8306

3 күн бұрын

At this point it's just sadism from one side and reluctant silence from the other. A target for people to mention like a burning strawman during protests and mock to join the celebrating bandwagon. A complete equal to Epstein in deeds and morales as you can see from some comments. Nothing remotely close to justice or resolution is achieved.

@Eleriol84

3 күн бұрын

I doubt his career will survive this and even his marriage might be over at this point aswell because its one thing to have something like this happen and being kept quiet and something entierly different when everyone knows. Imagine having all that success and the beautiful wife with kids to just piss it all away because your couldnt keep it in your pants when you saw other pretty women.

@MrDamnLag

3 күн бұрын

I don't give AF about this dude, this should be about his kids and wife, I hope she cleans him out for disrespecting them in such a spectacular fashion.

@williamspirralafton3143

3 күн бұрын

​@@MrDamnLag His name is dr.disrespect

I dont watch him, but it was a wild ride; ngl Lesson to the kiddos, dont idolize celebs or get too friendly with them; in the end, theyre strangers

@ColdEmperor

3 күн бұрын

And apparently as most KZreadrs and streamers who leave the internet they're either degen losers or fans of the playgrounds. Disgusting.

@multilad816

2 күн бұрын

Also, don't be famous because you'll be entangled with scandals that public would noticed. No matter how long it would be revealed.

@Dommifax

2 күн бұрын

@@multilad816 *don't become famous if you're into kids and act accordingly FTFY

@Uohhhh777

2 күн бұрын

​@@ColdEmperordon't hate the player hate the game😢

@vKross

2 күн бұрын

as he said, never meet your idols

Midnight society managed to solve a 7 year mystery overnight, by themselves. That’s pretty remarkable don’t you think??

@therealharshlycritical

Күн бұрын

Asking people involved a question and getting an answer lol you people are ridiculous.

@Manic.miner2077

Күн бұрын

@@therealharshlycriticalare you serious?? So nobody has thought to do that before??? You absolute muppet.

There's a message reply on Twitter that explains in further detail what happened as seen directly by his lawyer. So I'm not trying to defend Doc, because it is weird, BUT he changed it to "individual" because the girl was 17 about to be 18 at the time, which is very legal in most states, and majority of the world.. and the "inappropriate" nature he referred too is she would commit if he had a big Johnson because he's tall. On the reply, his lawyer specifically outlines WHY they begin talking to begin with. Doc offered a coaching thing on the low, and she had heard about it and wanted more information AT THE TIME of her initially messaging Doc he had no idea of her age. After Doc found out she was 17 he didn't reply anymore and someone whom helped with the coaching took over with the conversations. The guy who leaked this is known to hate Doc for a number of reasons most notably and recently because Doc supported Nickmercs. The same guy went on Twitter bashing Doc. Also the people who looked at the Whispers were fired and sued because that's illegal. This is according to his lawyer. Twitch employees hated Doc for his right wing stances. Of course Twitch couldn't cut their biggest creator so they waited for ANYTHING to happen and once this happened they immediately jumped. Again I'm not defending Doc, but once the truth is out there, people are still gonna hate Doc. Regardless of if he's innocent or not. This is all in a reply from someone on his Twitter post idk the name, but he said "hmm interesting" with a picture and it's a letter from his lawyer if anyone is interested in looking at that.

@arklaw8306

3 күн бұрын

Not sure if that's a reliable source. But people would only interpret this coaching as a ruse to violate people (even though it's pretty hard to molest people at public events) instead of a completely honest interaction. It can only be one or the other extreme.

@iKrazyyi

3 күн бұрын

​@arklaw8306 yeah definitely take it with a grain of salt. Hell for all we know it could not even be his lawyer and just some thing bis fanbase made up to help cover him. Idk. I just thought that was interesting

@JosephQPublic

3 күн бұрын

The truth doesn’t matter because those who pushed the .PDF narrative WILL NOT come out and correct themselves, so any defenses will get brushed under the rug. Same with news corrections. The damage is done and his reputation is most likely trashed.

@mindgamewords

2 күн бұрын

Source?

@mindgamewords

2 күн бұрын

So he was grooming a minor because she was about to be 18?

Doc: Admits to crime. Fans: But this could all be fake, there's no proof. Normal people: uhhhhhhh????

@Caydiem

Күн бұрын

He admitted to chatting inappropriately to a minor, that's what we know so far. What we still don't know is if he actually knew that she was a minor at the time and what exactly was being said, since the severity of the charge depends on these details. To clear up this mess once and for all we need the actual logs from Twitch, which they will hopefully release soon. Lynching someone based on inconclusive evidence that leaves too many questions open ain't it.

@Moonerang

Күн бұрын

@@Caydiem he would've expressed that in his Twitter post, quit trying to find reasons to cope.

@Caydiem

Күн бұрын

@@Moonerang It's less about me coping and more about people like you jumping to conclusions based on your own bias.

I don't understand why more people aren't questioning why twitch sat on something this bad for 3 years BEFORE banning him, then remaining quiet until an ex-employee tweeted to promote his band pretty much.

@wuldntuliktonoptb6861

3 күн бұрын

We are and I suspect from what the one former twitch employee said about seeing this every single day is because 80% of big streamers were doing this and if that got out the company would be gone. I’m sure doc knows he wasn’t the only one, and where are the journalists digging into this?

@evilisfun9935

3 күн бұрын

Just trust them bro. 🙄

@aaronjohnston2751

3 күн бұрын

​@@wuldntuliktonoptb6861 Here's to hoping that fallout hits Twitch soon.

@putinmahcochin1636

3 күн бұрын

Not sure on twitchs end, but as for any journalist that MIGHT have known, it's almost a guarantee that anonymous sources would be involved. In that case, there's a rule ( it has a name, I'm drawing a blank) where if the sources are anonymous, there must be at least two. They must not know each other, know the same knowledge pertaining to the topic being investigated, and both come forward willingly.

@djslip_irie

3 күн бұрын

I saw a wild theory.. that it could have been a twitch employee or some dude with a grudge against doc that said they were a minor and Doc took the bait. And that’s what explains the no harm done both sides agree stance .. conspiracy!!

People talking about DD but we need to shift to the source of the problem twitch.

@terrenceholmes813

3 күн бұрын

Nobody cares this is sheeep following sheep 🐑 for click and views

@RareJay

3 күн бұрын

While I was ready to disagree with you and explain why both Twitch and the Doc were at same levels at fault it came to me that if Twitch had enforced its age verification properly, the Doc would never be able to message a minor, let alone have inappropriate conversations with them, none of this would ever have happened. Twitch then proceeded to not admitting any blame and trying to amicably end the situation by paying the guy in full instead of sticking to any kind of principle, that's strike number two. I've never been a fan of the Doc and I'm biased towards believing he did something, otherwise his language would be far different from what it is (lawyers speaking through him so that he doesn't publicize false information which would screw him in court), but I also believe he's been wronged and the source of this particular problem (with the minor) is rooted at twitch and their absolute lack of morals. Just sharing my thoughts, writing it helped me see the line of thought, thanks for the space.

@dsfs17987

3 күн бұрын

@@RareJay how can you put this on twitch when any normal human being just wouldn't do that even if the platform allows for it, for twitch it is bad because they knew and didn't do anything, but the root of the problem is that person who did it else you gotta start banning sharp objects from hardware stores, because they can be used in bad ways

@aquapendulum

3 күн бұрын

​@@RareJay Doc probably assumed Twitch did its job and the person he was whispering was 18+ too. It aligned with his aggressive pursuit of the lawsuit. Twitch told him nothing after the ban. The revelation that the individual he was whispering was a minor probably came during discovery and even then, Twitch couldn't hold it over his head to get out of paying the contract. We have to keep in mind that Twitch is the party paying the hush money. The content of the messages were that damaging... for Twitch.

@TheRebelkid15

3 күн бұрын

It is all three, Dr Disrespect. Twitch. And parents. Parents not being lazy and putting up child safety control and whatnot would go a long way.

The cringiest thing to come out of this drama has to be all of the copy pasted joke comments on every single video about Dr Disrespect.

WE do not KNOW the truth. There are many answers left unkown. The best case scenario CAN STILL BE "A 17 yr old initiated the conversation, and began flirting. I initially reciprocated the mild flirtation and immediately cut it off once I found out." That IS a possible situation. "But why not SAY that is how it happened?" WE can do nothing but speculate. Do we KNOW there isn't a legal team telling him to withhold more for a future case? Do we KNOW he wrote his last post in a 100 percent clear mind? An article isn't evidence. Ex-Employees with vendettas making more claims is NOT evidence. Something MISSING is not EVIDENCE for the worst case scenario. Additionally, him cheating is old news. Cheating is a personal matter between him, his wife, and women that may or may not have initiated the conversations. There isn't evidence that he has cheated since nor is there evidence to warrant labeling him a "pedo, groomer, predator" which all imply he has a recurring habit of doing what he did 7 years ago. If this is a ONE OFF incident that hasn't recurred, does his family deserve to be going through this? Does lying once mean you deserve to be socially labeled a liar? Does hurting someone once make you an abuser? His daughter was born right after the incident. You don't think that can change a man for the better? Do cringe, flirty messages being sent to someone that isn't telling him off make him a "creep"? Where is the hope that a man can improve? Where is the hope for a better future? In a time where it's so easy to spread hate and want to ruin a man for something wrong, can we also entertain the possibility that a man that has changed and DIDN'T commit a crime might deserve to make a living to keep on providing for his family? Is it wrong to hope? Is it wrong to wish him the best of luck in aspiring to be a better man than he was 7 years ago and to continue seeking to be better?

@neondystopian

2 күн бұрын

Yes because we would do the same to anyone else. Just is what it is

@my1stytchannel

2 күн бұрын

He knew. It's out now. No need to speculate. It's ok to be mad at someone you like for something they did wrong

@leetlc441

2 күн бұрын

@@neondystopian That's an issue with society if society doesn't allow for people to improve and better themselves. Is what it is.

@leetlc441

2 күн бұрын

@@my1stytchannel Prove he knew. Prove he was the initiator. Prove he didn't end the convo as soon as discovering the age. Since you CLAIM to know which implies you have seen undeniable evidence that ISN'T word of mouth from biased sources.

@neondystopian

2 күн бұрын

@@leetlc441 you act like we don't have enough proof. Bro, we've reached the point where if he doesn't sue, then it's true. That's where we are at, right now, and it's not looking good.

Twitch is just as liable as he is. They didnt do age verification which is how he talked to her.

@HellDuke-

3 күн бұрын

That's a much more complicated matter than most people would like to consider or admit. On the one hand, Twitch requires your date of birth. Some people will argue that it's not enough because you can just lie, but I bet the same people would not like their privacy being impacted, which would be mandatory in order to satisfy what they ask for. I believe more robust age verification was mandated in certain states in the US and maybe some countries, and it got loads of flak for being a breach of privacy. In this scenario, it all really comes down to one simple fact: did Doctor Disrespect know or had a reason to suspect that the other party was a minor prior to any of the infringing messages. If no, then he should be entirely off the hook and Twitch is to blame. If yes, then the fallout, while extreme, is not unwarranted.

@nomanejane5766

3 күн бұрын

But dr disrespect did verify her age and knew she was a minor, stop trying to pass the blame

@JeremyFacer

3 күн бұрын

Crazy take dude. He chose to send inappropriate messages to someone he knew was a minor. Pretty weird to say the messaging service is just as liable as him for doing that….

@FreePigeon

3 күн бұрын

@@nomanejane5766 How did he? He never met her.

@paulrasmussen8953

3 күн бұрын

​@nomanejane5766 where did he say that? He only admitted that he text to someone that was a minor. Not that we knowly did so

I appreciate it every time when you choose to express an opinion that you’re usually pretty clear and if you’re ignorant of something you say it and it sounds like an actual adult opinion. Now I wonder if I just like this channel because of that. But no, it is interesting topics too and presented well. And you’re professional about things. Thanks again for sharing.

I wonder why twitch would sign him to an exclusive contract in 2020 if they knew he was talking to a minor in his private messages. Seems off. The whole thing seems weird.

@jordang8730

2 күн бұрын

I'm not sure of the timelines but I'm pretty sure the only reason they HAD to sign him was because they were under the threat of mixer. Once mixer was no longer a threat and they had something in their back pocket to use against doc, they pulled it. Obviously it became a game of chicken(you don't want your audience to find out, no, you don't want YOUR audience to find out), I think doc called the bluff, knowing what he'd done was wrong but not grounds to terminate the contract. I'm honestly not a fan of doc but I was back when PUBG was relevant. I think he still feels a lot of guilt for that 2017 era and he didn't want to deflect blame, but at the same time he doesn't feel that he should be crucified for this so his "apology" came off as very standoffish. It's an interesting dilemma if we assume all the worst, what is an appropriate response here? I don't think any sacrifices have to be made. As long as he does his mea culpas and clears up the ambiguity, I'd rather not see him be deplatformed.

the fact that there were articles on IGN and forbes about a rando streamer that came out as if coordinated over very little actual evidence, makes believe this is just a targeted campaign

@colorpg152

2 күн бұрын

its their method to get rid of people who don't agree with their political views

@SirRichard94

2 күн бұрын

Conspiratorial thinking is not good for you. Anyways doc admitted it himself. There's no world where inappropriately texting a minor as a 38yo is ok. People will call you a creep.

@Klyttorius

2 күн бұрын

@@SirRichard94 There is a world where that might happen accidentally, the person finds out the age, then stops talking to the minor. In that same world, news and journalists don't ever leave in that part of the story. Ever. There's always a bigger picture, and two sides to every story. It might not just be 'doc is a creep who likes kids'.

@SirRichard94

2 күн бұрын

@Klyttorius doc already posted his side of the story. And it sucks too

@colorpg152

2 күн бұрын

@@SirRichard94 literally anything can be called inappropriate when it comes to minors although 17 is not really minor in many states and nothing suggests he knew about it, you people love to twist thing to fit your narrative but if you had anything of real substance you would be taking him to court, you just trying to use slander to silence political opposition

The fact that we are just judging on allegations is ridiculous

@toomanyaccounts

3 күн бұрын

he confirmed it and his use of minor instead of teenager or that he was tricked about the age speaks volumes.

@justinlast2lastharder749

3 күн бұрын

​@@toomanyaccountsWe need to see the messages. All we know is "inappropriate talk". Because it was investigated and found to be noncriminal...it was likely inappropriate jokes. You know what Twitch finds inappropriate? Saying only the first syllable of simple. Anything that goes against leftism. We need to see the messages, because everything is incredibly vague and open to any interpretation you want.

@justinlast2lastharder749

3 күн бұрын

​@@toomanyaccountsAlso gotta remember Twitch was trying to terminate Doc because they overpaid to keep him off Mixer and then Mixer died off so they were trying to get out of the massive overpays they made to everyone big for exclusive streaming. Twitch only found them because they were looking for a way out, so why would you trust them to not blow it out of proportions? I can't stand Doc for the record. I'm not a fan, in fact I'd love it if he took his cringe persona and disappeared.

@freedomunrestricted

3 күн бұрын

@@toomanyaccounts does it, or is it people taking any crumb they they find and trying to blow it up into something bigger?

@toastman8382

3 күн бұрын

But still, this is not the average streamers, it's pretty much a top tier in terms of viewership. While we don't know what was said in the conversation, Twitch does, and they would certainly not permaban one of the most profitable streamer over a bad joke.

1 - If he had these inappropriate conversations with a minor, and I don't think it's fake, he's wrong. I don't know if I agree that his career should be over as a result, but the risk and consequences lie with him as a grown-a$$ adult. 2 - The bigger root cause here is minor vs. adults on the internet. If we're so concerned over this, these platforms need to do a better job of age verification and segregating their population of users. I'm not condoning what he did, but how old was this person? 12? 17? I think that absolutely makes a difference, especially if the conversation was mutual and not just some old pervert harassing teenagers. 3 - Where are the parents? Are they properly monitoring their kids' use of social media and the internet? If they don't care or are simply uninvolved, shame on them. They allowed their children to be exposed to a global internet with no safeguards. 4 - Minors are being exposed to sexually explicit materials all the time under the guise of LBGT inclusivity. How many town halls do we need to see where a concerned parent is reading hard-core pornography and asking why it's in an elementary school library, never mind a middle or high school one? This material doesn't belong in schools period, yet it's almost impossible to get it out. However, kids have access to the most heinous and vulgar material ever conceived on the internet and people are like "meh." It's hypocritical to ruin this man's career for talking dirty when that same child can easily go look at beheadings or child pron somewhere on the net. 5 - Lastly, the idea of the internet being some sort of public court is ridiculous. The things most platforms ignore (I'm thinking of something Paymoneywubby brought to light concerning the "no pants dance") are far worse than sexting. Just like that content needs to be age-restricted, so do accusations of wrongdoing. Any predation by an adult to a child needs to be investigated and properly handled by the courts instead of on the internet. Nobody should be allowed to lob accusations like this and ruin a person's life without it first being addressed by authorities. For the protection of both accused and victim. I'm a free speech purist, but that doesn't mean I think everyone, regardless of age (one caveat), should have access to material they're not ready for. The internet and these platforms need to segregate and police that so these things don't happen. Simply burning DrDisrespect in effigy is not addressing the problem.

@Thor-Orion

Күн бұрын

Exactly, kids hit “yes I’m over 18” on pornography sites all day every single day. No one ever talks about it. Adults of all ages watch “barely legal” pornography all day everyday, 17 is absolutely much different from 13/14/15, the reason why it’s inappropriate is because their brains haven’t fully matured at 17-20, which is why as a 33 year old I just won’t interact with anyone under 21, what are we going to talk about? Their calculus final? No thanks. But these people acting like they can visually tell the difference between a 17 year old and a 20 year old are being totally disingenuous.

I've been trying to follow this one. Thanks for doing this. I always enjoy the in depth investigation and succinct delivery.

Such vague language like "inappropriate" at a time where you can get a 30 day ban for using a word regardless of intent means It has zero credibility to me. For example he could have used the word sex in the context of determining if a dog was make or female and because the conversation was with a minor its instantly flagged as inappropriate...Whats inappropriate is there are no details.

He will take a break and wait until this blows over and then make a return just like he did before and it will be like none of this happened. Make no mistake, he has a dedicated and passionate fan base who, in their eyes he can do no wrong.

@yutro213

3 күн бұрын

I hope so!!!!!!!!

@sultanofswing7198

3 күн бұрын

Wrong. Many of us will never be back. This is a bridge too far.

@timmurray2945

2 күн бұрын

He needs to fuck off and never come back.

@silvermushroom-gamifyevery6430

Күн бұрын

*chuckles in Joe the sniffer, Poe the producer, mr signfield, and top G*

If the situation turns up in a court room there will be heads rolling.

@Galvvy

2 күн бұрын

Unlikely to ever happen, large corporate interests that prey on minors usually support and cover for each other, look at the Drake Bell case against the Nickelodeon executive. The man confessed to sexual assault, yet only served 16 months and the majority of people associated with the ordeal showed up in support of him, even knowing he ADMITTED to sexually assaulting a minor.

@NuggetsNBAChamps

2 күн бұрын

Didn't he already sue Twitch over this very thing and get a settlement out of it?

@Wbfuhn

2 күн бұрын

@@NuggetsNBAChamps Maybe. But this would cause more people to get in trouble.

"You Either Die a Hero or Live Long Enough to See Yourself Become the Villain"

@thecooler69

Күн бұрын

"You have done that yourself"

This is what I've been waiting for. Clear , to the point short and factual summary. Some channels dropping a new vid on it 5 times a day repeating the same thing over and over again is really just annoying. Thanks mate, much appreciated.

KZread really needs to do something about all these bots posting in every video.

@shadowkhan422

3 күн бұрын

They are too busy deleting random comments I quess .

@mesicek7

2 күн бұрын

@@shadowkhan422 Nah they're too busy implementing new ways to feck up with adblock.

@multilad816

2 күн бұрын

It is possible a few bot comment were deleted by KZread. It is just so miniscule that any of us don't noticed it.

@shadowkhan422

2 күн бұрын

@@multilad816 Thats the thing though. Bots they do not touch .Just delete random comments with no clear reasoning. If you comment a lot , some of yours where probably removed

@chilomine839

2 күн бұрын

@@shadowkhan422 Some comments are held for some reason and then posted. Some times they get posted immediately.

doesn't this just erode at any kind of trust for twitch's messaging apps/features? knowing they don't have any kind of leash on their employees after the fact and you can just have your privacy blown up by the people they chose to be their moderators? do any other apps have problems like this?

@Nonsense116

3 күн бұрын

I think it's an important reminder that any communications you have with anyone is never private unless done over an end-to-end encrypted method.

@user-og6hl6lv7p

2 күн бұрын

@@Nonsense116 You're not guaranteed safety with end-to-end, at least for not much longer. In Australia a law was passed last year that grants police back door access to social media apps.

@liquidhydration

2 күн бұрын

​@@user-og6hl6lv7p Depending on what you use, that law is useless if the app is purposefully designed to not keep user private data on hand accessible. The police can have a back door to it, but if it leads to nothing, then it is useless. This isn't the first time government has passed a law like this, certain communication services was designed for things like this.

@harambe4267

2 күн бұрын

Anyone who still trusted Twitch even before this will trust them regardless of what happens. You have to be deliberately indifferent to Twitch's enforcement of their own rules to trust them in any fashion.

@ArcticGrumpy

Күн бұрын

Your social media private messages were never private in the first place. In fact, the government wanted Elon Musk to hand over Trumps Twitter DMs. It’s an illusion. The only people that have access to your private messages are you, the receiver, and the company.

This is why you always treat women like a gentleman and never talk to a minor in a private space.

@BPFACTS88

Күн бұрын

lol what an absolute joke you are

@mylittledota4653

Күн бұрын

That's why men are genuinely afraid of women. Not an incel take btw, just a fact. Western culture is fucked up beyond repair.

He's not even a real doctor like Dr Dre..

@danteshollowedgrounds

3 күн бұрын

Or Dr Pepper...

@OvercookedOctopusFeet

3 күн бұрын

and that Doolittle guy is probably a fraud too..

@unlimitedpancakes

3 күн бұрын

That’s how you know Mr Pibb is bad, he didn’t even get his degree

It's not allegation, the dude confirm himself that he had "inappropriate" talks with minors.

@lonewolf9390

3 күн бұрын

This. Right. here.

@UrsineArms

3 күн бұрын

You're intentionally overnighting and exaggerating what he said to reinforce your previous held notions, maybe do due diligence and reserve judgement until any pertaining evidence is released

Crazy how people and everything can turn on someone so fast without a second thought on public opinion alone. He definitely didnt do himself any favors by talking about any of it ever.

@itlog3722

2 күн бұрын

I'm always in the camp of let's hear both sides no matter how bad it sounds. I heard his side, he literally admitted to it. This would have been a nothing burger if he just stayed silent.

@user-zj6tl2jt9h

2 күн бұрын

It doesn't matter what he said. People want his head for other reasons so they will believe whatever they have to in order to rationalize their emotions.

@itlog3722

2 күн бұрын

@@user-zj6tl2jt9h wtf do you mean it doesn't matter lol. He admitted having inappropriate messages with a minor. That doesn't matter? Wtf are you on? He's a pedophile and a cheater, it's just the consequences of his own actions. Clearly it doesn't matter what he says to you. He could confess to a murder and you'd still be glazing. This whole situation is so weird to me. If any personality I'm a fan of admits to shit like this, I wouldn't be defending them. I don't know much about the dude but his fans sound like cult followers.

My, a level headed video about it, that's refreshing.

@yelsahblah3270

2 күн бұрын

Upper Echelon is almost always pretty level headed with his news. It's why I've been subscribed for ages. His takes are always honest and fair.

Even though he admitted to texting a minor and occasionally being inappropriate, I still find it really weird that twitch didn't get the police involved. It feels about as legitimate of a callout as Chris Henson. Sure, someone was being gross, but both were simply using those gross actions as clout rather than being genuinely helpful.

@toomanyaccounts

3 күн бұрын

because twitch knowingly hired him despite them uncovering this before that. twitch likely told him to knock it off and not to direct message people he didn't know IRL and that for sure was their handle.

@GodofGoblins

3 күн бұрын

Another issue is if he all he did was flirt with the minor in a way like "hey, I think you look cute in a skirt" Etc, well....yeah that is creepy. But technically, not against the law. I assume that is why doc was so adamant on saying no pics or videos were asked to be taken, as well as no physical contact happened. So unless the messages were him manipulating her to be very sexual towards him, then technically, the cops can't do anything. He needs to cross certain lines for legal action to occur, and even though he likely is a sleeze ball, the law is the law. It's like if an older guy says a little girl is cute with a creepy face. OK, gigantic red flag, stay away from him, but cops can't arrest him for that either. Sucks, but it is what it is. Just my suspicion.

@sultanofswing7198

3 күн бұрын

Their brand would have taken a hit for them to admit one of the biggest stars is a creep. They had every incentive to help him cover it up.

@GodofGoblins

2 күн бұрын

@@sultanofswing7198 i doubt its that simple. they got a lot of heat for not giving an answer at all, and they have no issues letting offensive creators go (ice poseidon, destiny, etc). if anything, telling the public hes a predator so they cut him loose wouldve benefit there brand

@RickueEvans-oi1iz

2 күн бұрын

It's because it's about the money of course they covered up so they continue to get the money

If there is no proof of allegations, then there is no crime and there is no reason to disturb the man. Show me the proof that he did something wrong, and I will be the first to condemn him. Believe all men

@MudHut67

2 күн бұрын

He literally fucking admitted fault

@vgdrent2852

2 күн бұрын

​@@MudHut67The amount of people making excuses for him are insane.

@MavethTheReaper

Күн бұрын

You guys are sad he admitted you are a deviant

I think a lot of context is missing. The way people are acting is as if he was sexting a 13 year old. Which is illegal. And considering he was absolved of any legal wrongdoing, it probably wasn't as bad as people are making him sound. Maybe she was a 17 year old e girl trying to seduce him, and he was stupid enough to play along. Maybe the texts were so mild that they could be taken sexually or non sexually. Everyone has painted this picture in their mind of him being a predator, sending explicit texts to an innocent child. Any attractive man, celebrity, wealthy etc can attest to how some of those egirls can be. Doc still should of had the strength and common sense to resist it though. He definitely fucked up. But I really disagree with the predatory picture that is being painted.

@timrainwater481

2 күн бұрын

Twitch needs to stop fucking around and release the messages already. Guy B. should be demanding it so that it's all laid out for everyone to see instead of just playing this he said, she said bullshit game.

@oobermackn

2 күн бұрын

People hear a label and immediately set it as fact. That being said, it's definitely not a good position to be in, and there are 2 reasons what he was doing was wrong. I'm not saying illegal.

@OverlyCriticalAnime

2 күн бұрын

@@timrainwater481 He may not what that out there making it way worse. He needs to weight what is best.

I’ve been subbed since the Fallout 76 uploads and holy cow your channel has grown. Not been a devoted sub but I do remember and watch vids here and there. Keep at it bruther

So does every populair youtube do the same mistake or what? I want to be populair but i dont want to do that.

@wilbo_baggins

3 күн бұрын

It does seem like a prerequisite doesn't it haha. It's like an ego thing.

@Dubnot

3 күн бұрын

You just made a new spelling of the word Popular. Maybe it will catch on.

@mr.personalspace7831

3 күн бұрын

Easy. Just DON'T. It's not that hard to avoid these pitfalls if you have a moral compass that doesn't point directly south. Don't diddle, don't rip off your audience, just don't.

@youtubestudiosucks978

3 күн бұрын

@@mr.personalspace7831 ripping off has 2 meanings. I can do the not scamming part but i have no filter so i might definally insult somebody. I can do everything else but i already know that my lack of a filter is my weakness so i cant promise that at all.

@mikemoore5270

3 күн бұрын

you are populair dog, you just have to believe 🌝

Never watched more than five minutes of that guy, figured there was something off about him from the very beginning. I’m glad I didn’t waste any of my time or money on him.

Question: why does no one mention the email that further talks about what happened with doc and twitch that came out right before his tweet

@t.o.p6849

3 күн бұрын

Probably because it's not confirmed to be true yet

@sherlocksvp5537

3 күн бұрын

@t.o.p6849 My problem with that reasoning is that it matches 1:1 with what doc said himself even prior to his post. I get that someone being anonymous doesn't help credibility, but I can't help but notice the double standard in this whole thing. Also, I have no clue how the whispers worked, but how does one know the age of the person they are talking to using that to begin with unless told at some point?

@Pablud3S

3 күн бұрын

​@t.o.p6849 and the Twitter bullshit is confirmed how?

@t.o.p6849

3 күн бұрын

@@sherlocksvp5537 That doesn't matter anymore. Even if he wasn't aware of the person's age during the exchanges his career has pretty muched come to an end or at least he won't be able to reach the same heights as he used to.

@t.o.p6849

3 күн бұрын

@@Pablud3S Because he admitted to texting a minor.

I'm always interested in the aftermath of cases like this. So often you hear the phrase "his life is over", as if he's a character in a play who's supposed to just go offstage and not exit anymore. But obviously he's going to continue living and provide for himself and his family (if they'll still have him). How would he do that? How does someone so famous/infamous integrate back into society? Assuming he's genuine in wanting to put it behind him and do things right, who would employ him? Maybe the fact that he's an e-celeb that wears a kind of costume helps, but in general, what path do people like that have to any kind of redemption? And if there is none, he'd have to work and network with the sort of antisocial people for whom such a background isn't an obstacle, or maybe even a boon.

The situation makes me so sad. Even tho its obvious this all was found out because of a directed hate campaign against him from Twitch itself, its just sad there is some substance to it. Of course we cant actually see how far it went, but as you said, the internet had already came forward with their verdict. Man I miss him already

This is one of the few good takes on the situation out there. To many are just painting him as guilty and have no consideration of the complexities and the glaring questions. Dont get me wrong, Im no fan of the doc or what he did but imagine not being able to come out and admit anything because of lawyers, it would drive me mad, just put yourself in his shoes for 2 seconds.

@LeaderOfTheLostSouls

3 күн бұрын

Yeah so far I’ve been one of the few who have stayed neutral on this topic I still am not 100% sure cuz we lack solid evidence that isn’t hearsay, inappropriate is too vague to say he is a pedo yet it is sus and weird but I’ve heard leaks say she lied about her age cuz it was a 18+ app and he didn’t know yet idk if this has been verified yet either so it’s such a mess, I know for sure I would never want to be in this situation especially if I was innocent unable to say anything solid or prove anything for my side just screwed by a NDA.

@Eleriol84

3 күн бұрын

When you couple this current situation with his previous missteps its not hard to jump to conclusions. I hope we do get answers once he gets back or from Twitch but if both parties refuses to elaborate further we can probably safely asume he crossed a line he should not have. Even if it turns out this whole thing is a nothingburger hes not going to recover from this and im kinda expecting him to retire once hes back from his vacation.

@arklaw8306

3 күн бұрын

While what he allegedly did was more consequent than a thought crime, we don't even know what words were written or thoughts thought.

@justinstewart9145

2 күн бұрын

Except he is guilty.

@OverlyCriticalAnime

2 күн бұрын

Hes not doing the greatest job of making himself look innocent. Just saying

I still don't buy it. Firstly if twitch actually has an issue with this, they'd take action against porn streams. You know damn well half of amouranths viewers are under 18. It's wrong to chat a 17 year old? Yeah probably, but is it any worse than literally showing your breasts, ass, tight gripping toe to teens who literally cannot go on adult sites legally, as you stream for them every other day? Nah. Both are bad, but two consenting people having a conversation seems better than public porn. I've said it before and Ill say it again, where's the proof? He said he chatted with a minor, agreed - but how long did he know? Was it a slip that they were chatting and then he found the age and bounces but the damage was done? Or did she introduce herself as a 4 year old and he still continued? Was it actually nsfw or was it fan related? All I can keep shouting is show is proof of allegations. The person who brought it up said they went to the cops. Cops don't just shrug at Pdfa. They went to court. Courts don't settle crimes. You can't rob a bank and settle, you can't steal a car and settle. Crime is crime. The evidence I see is that the police and the court system determined nothing illegal to have happened. At this point were basically in a mirror universe amber heard Johnny depp trial where the courts said Johnny was fine and the internet was still defending amber heard.

@Drew-mu1ly

3 күн бұрын

imagine being a doc defender lmaooo. "He said he chatted with a minor, agreed" (you forgot to say the conversations steered sexual). But keep defending this groomer. Hope someone checks your hard drive.

@nomanejane5766

3 күн бұрын

Man , u fans will defend anything. Gross

@Eleriol84

3 күн бұрын

Been saying the same thing but its a lost cause at this point. People arent going to be objective when it concerns a minor and we dont actully even know the age of this person yet. Couple this current situation with his previous missteps and it dosent really paint a great picture he seems to have a real problem restraining himself around pretty women so even if it comes out that he thought she was over 18 hes still going to be seen as a creep that tried to get with a girl half his age despite having a pretty wife and children. I honestly think hes done for this time and whenever he comes back from his vacation he will likely announce his retirment. Heck with all thats happened i wouldnt doubt his wife divorces him aswell at this point. Imagine having all that success as a streamer a beautiful wife, children and multiple sponsorships just to piss it all away because he cant keep his dick in his pants. Fucking tragic

@ihaveadigbick.3785

3 күн бұрын

Yeah, all I and many others want want is definitive proof but people just shout cope at us for nothing. Like it's weird that some people want to see definitive proof before we start shouting someone is a p3do. The only thing that is confirmed so far is that Doc in 2017 was texting an individual who turned out to be a minor and that the conversation went slightly towards inappropriate, but him and a leaked E-mail even confirms that there was no s3xting and that the conversation was largely normal. The question: Did Doc knew the individual was a minor? And if he did, did he end the conversation when he found out or kept on texting? If the answer to both of these is a yes than he gets everything that he deserves, even in not legally, morally he would be a p3do.

@arklaw8306

3 күн бұрын

Still no confirmations on the three sources that say it was a girl and that they were "sexting" and that they talked about Twitchcon. But there's so little context and people only interpret things in the worst possible way anyway. The simple phrase "talked with a minor" can only be imagined as a traumatic and manipulative experience. Even though people talk with kids on many topics (even inappropriate ones) daily, even on Twitter. Not saying it's a good thing. I'm saying it's exagerrated beyond any logic. At this point even if the conversation was public and turned out to be completely tame it would change nothing about his new status as a "pedophile groomer". And even if peopel's worst accusations turned out to be true he still did nothing illegal in actuality so what punishment does he deserve for crying out loud? With this reputation he's already under more punishment than actual pederasts in some ways: won't find jobs or new contracts, constant death threats to him and his family, money can't solve everything... Nonsense.

Really good coverage of all this drama...not easy...subbed

This one is pressed right up against the wall of sleazy behavior. It's possible he's just badly worded his post, but a critical thing he's missing, especially after seemingly to be made to repost the word minor back into it, was if he knew or not it was a minor. If he did, then you absolutely DO NOT do anything even REMOTELY borderline inappropriate, or you are only asking for trouble, even if it isn't actually illegal. If he didn't know, and especially if he didn't and there was proof he didn't, then he should post that. Otherwise, it's just an issue of "how many criminals complaining of their innocence actually are?" This is one of the few times I think he needs soft canceled until a complete and public case is held.

The Doc didn't follow rule number 8. Rule number 8 is CYA, and don't put yourself in a bad situation where the haters can use against you.

@justinlast2lastharder749

3 күн бұрын

No. Rule number one is cover your ass. Always look out for Number One...

@kickingitwithtimmyb

3 күн бұрын

He gave all the ops so much ammo with this whole mess. Making terrible moves.

@SixEighthOfficial

3 күн бұрын

Yeah all those haters for calling him out for talking sexually to a minor, so terrible that they caught a pedophile in the act who's already cheated on his wife once. Stfg you people are insane

@user-zj6tl2jt9h

2 күн бұрын

We live in a world where you could drink a glass of milk and haters would use it against you.

@Skowl3883

Күн бұрын

I think his real crime is possibly trying to get it on with that plastic-ass transgender cam-girl. Nothing against trans but boy, you could have better taste there, bud.

Oh no, it's Johnny Depp vs Amber Heard all over again

I love how well you're able to be as objective as one can be on topics like this. The Internet needs more people like you.

I had next to no knowledge of this guy prior to this video. I only learned of him when I was watching a video about swatting. What happened to him was wild.

I'm thinking this was Alex. Not Doc 😅

Last time I was so early dr disrespect was still streaming on twitch

I think a bigger question that needs to be addressed is how did doc get in contact with the minor to begin with and what was the context behind the inappropriate messages. Assuming doc knew the age beforehand the only way he could have known was if he contacted another streamer using twitch whispers. Twitch profiles are essentially anonymous and anyone can claim anything. A minor can claim he/she is in their 20s or vice versa because twitch profiles can be faceless. Another way is he combed through an endless amount of profiles and picked out a minor. How contact was established to begin has to be addressed and it will provide a lot of context that is still missing from this whole thing.

That was the exact point I have made to friend arguing the subject.

Twitch deserves to be sued into ashes for slander/libel. No. Actually, twitch should be sued for SO MUCH that they are forced to transfer ownership of the company to Doc so that he can release all the DMs and other disgusting shit that everyone on that platform does.

@user-hb3fi3vn2w

3 күн бұрын

Twitch deserves to be sued for having non existent age confirmation and allowing sudo OF content. Slander and libel against Dr doesn't sound like one of their many offenses.

@jazzyjswift

3 күн бұрын

This is the part people aren't considering. Twitch swept under the rug the fact that someone who was under TOS age was on their app, and then paid hush money to doc with a legal gag order to prevent it being talked about. Another often forgotten part of this is how Doctor Disrespect pursued a lawsuit against twitch, which resulted in the settlement. That means that he had something on Twitch to begin with. At no point did he state he was aware that this individual was a minor while he was texting them on an app for adults. It's possible he discovered it after the fact. It's the classic case of hitting on a minor who snuck into the bar with a fake id and being labeled the bad guy. Did he know? If he knew when the inappropriate messages occurred, that means he willfully and intentionally did the wrong thing. If it was discovered between the lawsuit and the settlement in discovery, then it's a bad look on everyone, but he at least has benefit of the doubt. The reality is that we still don't have sufficient evidence to come to a final conclusion, but that's irrelevant in the court of public opinion - where cases and livelihoods are based on opinions, not a legal process.

@Necrotic99

2 күн бұрын

Twitch hasn't said anything you dufus, so they can't be sued for slander/libel. It was a former employee that made the first statement and considering DD's company dropped him, it seems there is indeed something there. If you want the DM's released, ask DD to release them, he has all of them and from his own admission shouldn't be bound by the agreement. DD doesn't need to sue twitch to get the DM's, they were part of this original dispute so he has everything...

@Necrotic99

2 күн бұрын

There are plenty of reasons for twitch to not want this to get out, most of it for realistic business reasons but doesn't need to be nefarious including: 1) The fact that twitch can read people's whispers anytime which they may believe are private 2) At the time this was going down was the whole COPA business, and handling minor's communication would have been a big issue legally with a lot of uncertainty 3) The fact that not only this was a major streamer they had a contract with was sending innapropriate messages to a minor, but organizing a face to face meeting of all places at freaking twitchcon. 4) Twitch is trying to promote itself to be friendly to all ages, instead its a clear indication that predators are on their platform, including people with influence. Not the best message to get out. 5) By stopping DD from meeting this person, they actually helped DD avoid legal issues but in turn made Twitch's case harder as DD switched his stance to "I never meant it, was never going to really meet this person". For the most part, talking to an underage person is not illegal, its when you take the further actions that would have exposed him. (btw if DD thought she was an adult, he could have claimed already that but he hasn't which leads me to believe that he knew she was a minor during at least some part of his conversation). Those are easy to figure out, and I am sure they have many more reasons why it was better to keep this quiet. I think Twitch was wrong to keep this hidden, but there are plenty of reasons why its a bad business decision to reveal this that don't involve some nefarious intent.

So did he know or suspect she was a minor and then try to meet up with her? Did he think she was an adult and got played? What was the intent here? its the internet after all, and unless you meet someone how are you suppose to know anything about them? I dont like the dude or at least his persona but I would have to know what was going on with the minor other than flirting with her on the interent. Such as she texted him shes 16 and he was like oh yea baby that turns me on, lets meet up. Otherwise for all he knew, he could have been talking to a 40 yrs old man from Turkey.

@paulrasmussen8953

3 күн бұрын

Note this was done on Whisper and adult area of Twitch. So minor got onto and adult area

Was twitch doing something illegal by reading user whispers and that's the reason they didn't want to disclose information about the docs ban Also discontinuing the twitch whispers feature? Edit: was the settlement hush money?

I thought Jirard Khalil, aka The Completionist's self implosion was bad.. but the Dr's implosion was even faster.

Creators showing social media stuff without using dark mode has gotta go. All that white is like a flashbang with HDR everywhere nowadays.

I’ve never even watched him but I will now just because everyone is assuming he is cancelled. Where can I find him.?

@toomanyaccounts

3 күн бұрын

he is on vacation

@kickingitwithtimmyb

3 күн бұрын

Costa rica

"If all 3 dates at my bands concert sell out, I'll reward you with this" from Cody is actually wild. 1) This implies he doesn't care about the messaging of a minor, 2) This also shows Twitch knew about it but never did anything and 3) he's just being a clout goblin. It sounds like he said "sexting" to exaggerate what was actually said. If not, chat logs would have come up. Doc admitted the conversations got "inappropriate" but when its an adult talking to a minor, MANYYY things are inappropriate. Sex isn't the only one, there's also drugs, alcohol, strippers, that type of thing. While Doc is in the wrong, undeniably and even he admitted that, the fact that Cody dude tried to profit off of this makes me think he's just as bad of a person as Doc, and that's before mentioning how Twitch knew and kept him on for a while anyways. The entirety of Twitch looks pretty sus to me rn

I seen enough half assed cancelations to wait till all the details are out. We won't know till the actual original transcripts are out.

If she was 17 that’s obviously not as bad as actual pdfilia but people have to pretend there’s no significant difference because they want to be morally pure and not come off as defensive

@EmoDKTsuchiya

3 күн бұрын

There isn't. If you're 35, you shouldn't be talking to teenagers.

@williamspirralafton3143

3 күн бұрын

​​@@EmoDKTsuchiyaYou shouldn't be sexually talking to anyone under 18 if your in your 30s(including anybody over 18) should not be talking sexually to a minor.

@EmoDKTsuchiya

3 күн бұрын

@@williamspirralafton3143 that's what I said brother

@williamspirralafton3143

3 күн бұрын

@@EmoDKTsuchiya I was writing in a more understandable way.

@user-zj6tl2jt9h

2 күн бұрын

It's a lot of projecting. Check out the people doing the moral grandstanding's profiles you won't be too surprised knowing this.

Tried to whisper to a girl, turns out she was A MINOOOOORRRR

@xtrafunk

3 күн бұрын

freaky ass streamer he a twitch whisper god

Social media, tearing down society one user at a time.

very concise overall and well summarized regarding all the consequences he's endured thus far. 🤘

Note the twitch ex employees broke NDA

@toomanyaccounts

3 күн бұрын

which is null and void if twitch was covering up something

@paulrasmussen8953

3 күн бұрын

@@toomanyaccounts this a legal process to go through to do it

@drewwar9344

3 күн бұрын

That doesn't matter.he will be protected under whistle blower laws ​@paulrasmussen8953

@ifyourmarriedyourasimpanda7440

2 күн бұрын

​@@paulrasmussen8953no, ndas do not allow you to do illegal activity. And using an NDA to do such things is punishable by federal court

@paulrasmussen8953

2 күн бұрын

@ifyourmarriedyourasimpanda7440 thus the doc did nothing legally wrong. Otherwose no pay put and no NDA.

This one hurt man, I love the Doc. Openly admitting he was having inappropriate conversations with a minor is wild. Then he said he had no real intentions which is exactly what the Catch a Predator guys, "I just wanted to talk". He ain't dead but to me he is.

@sultanofswing7198

3 күн бұрын

As a father of young children….. I stopped at that line. Clearly he doesn’t deserve to make money off of me. No adult should be in that situation. He is an idiot and creep now.

@MyWORDisntGospel

3 күн бұрын

Yeah man. I wasn’t believing any of it until he did the Twitter rant (the one he edited). I caught it late, so I didn’t even know about the edit until I read the comments. It was at that point I felt let down.

@user-zj6tl2jt9h

2 күн бұрын

Bro really has a pentagram as his pfp and is moral grandstanding.

Here’s a lesson for anyone that cares to apply it. If you ever find yourself in the midst of wild allegations against you, do not engage with them, nothing you say will help you, let the process run its course and after everything is said and done, carry on with your life. There is nothing you can say or do to placate a mob of internet habitants, especially if they live in Twatter😂 whether you’re guilty or not is besides the point.

I'm curious if Dr. Disrespect will now sue all of his business partners who are breaking ties like he did Twitch, or if the contract Twitch wrote up for Dr. Disrespect was riddled with mistakes in his favor?

Bro went from .DOC to .PDF so fast

@justlloyd7881

3 күн бұрын

💀

@abdou.the.heretic

3 күн бұрын

Bro couldn't keep it behind his .zip

@mikemoore5270

3 күн бұрын

that’s fuckin cold son 😅

@RareJay

3 күн бұрын

Thank god he didn't get a chance to .exe any of it

@N8RoTH

3 күн бұрын

Irreparable .dmg

I dont like Doc. I hate his persona. I don't even like Streamers...but this is getting overblown. We need to see the Messages. Twitch signed him to a Contract they regretted once Mixer was no longer a competitor. They then went looking for a reason to get out of the contract. Thats when they found the messages. Nothing in them was illegal, but the "inappropriate jokes" could definitely harm the image and they seized on that to get out of the contract. He wasn't "sexting", no pictures were exchanged and explicit chats that could be sexting would have gotten criminal charges, but it didn't...so it tells me this is being overblown. And I flat out hate this guy'a character that he portraits. Never watched his streams but every appearance I have seen from him is so cringe and offputting that I legitimately hate him.

@brandoncyoung

3 күн бұрын

For hating him he lives rent free in you head apparently

@williamspirralafton3143

3 күн бұрын

Sasuke influence possibly

@sultanofswing7198

3 күн бұрын

Who says it was inappropriate jokes? You just make that up? It could be sexting and twitch wanted to avoid a scandal so didn’t report it. It would hurt twitch too if that came out. Doc could have said it was inappropriate jokes. He did not. He said no pictures were exchanged. He was probably sexting. Why would anyone mention intent about jokes? Your theory makes no sense

Thank you for giving all the facts. Almost no one talks about the infidelity in 2017. Also, thank you for stating only facts, and not speculations: she was a few days away from being 18, she lied about her age, etc...

Finally someone who doesn't make decisions based on incomplete information but just give us facts what is known and how bad it looks. I have never been drdisrespects stream watcher (mostly seen some clips of him on youtube) but for me it has been always interesting how he got blamed/banned and then he got paid the contract. So my main question is, if DrDisrespect is guilty (probably is, but I still want to know more facts about and to see exactly texts he exchanged with minor to start to blame him) what is Twitch hiding? Are they guilty as well for not enforcing their age restrictions? Are they knowing that this case is not just about DrDisrespect but about a lot more big streamers they have? There is no way they paid the contrect after banning him if they are not guilty of something or doing something wrong by themselves. I really hope we will get more info in upcoming days because I really want to know how bad exactly it is. I want facts.

Is it that hard not to talk to minors???

Not only is everyone cashing in on this, but no single video adds anything to the story.

You think we'll ever see the man stream games again?

20 years ago, some guys and myself were in a club in Miami(21+ to get in, everybody had to ID, no exceptions). One of our group got chatted up by a college girl, looked early 20s and left with her. He got arrested 3 weeks later and has to register for the rest of his life along with the bartender and two bouncers that she went down on to let her slide on the ID. Turns out she was 17 and her parents just couldn’t admit their princess was a 3 oh 4. Doc is absolutely a POS for cheating on his wife but based on the fact he panicked and blocked this chick tells me he wasn’t a pdf file. I could be wrong but until we see proof that he knew her age and continued to chat her up, I say he’s just a POS cheater.

end career? maybe, peak it, definitely. he's probably still gonna have a solid fanbase to stream to and extract money from. but definitely will need to sell off assets and just put some money in treasury bills to ensure he and his family can cruise out the rest of the way.

@polrish9570

2 күн бұрын

Yea he didn’t pull a full on EDP so it seems he’ll have a decent amount of viewers when and if he returns

@Proxycon

2 күн бұрын

There's anecdotal evidence that you can be a pretty slimy piece of shit online and still make enough money to live comfortably. See DSPGaming for reference. Pretty narcissistic a-hole who feels entitled to money and admiration on a daily basis, guilt-trips and gaslights his audience very frequently and he's still making more than 100k a year on income post-tax. This will only "end" the Doc if he decides it to be.

@Jupa

2 күн бұрын

That’s small money won’t even be enough for fuel lol It’s the sponsorships and business networks that keep the lights on He’s screwed. Lol.

@harambe4267

2 күн бұрын

​@@JupaNah. He'll probably need a couple of years of quiet like Louis C.K. but he's likely going to be ok. Just look at Kevin Spacey, that dude even has support from his Hollywood pals.

moral police around immediately... sigh, murrica

@theadmiral4625

3 күн бұрын

Meanwhile Ashley Biden……..

@user-zj6tl2jt9h

2 күн бұрын

Lets not talk about the Onlyfools revenue streams.

@Ghoulishblade

2 күн бұрын

So you’re saying you’re pro pedophile?

Thanks UE, there are alot of opinions out there and not a lot of proof. Keep up the good work.

The better reporting on this case !

10:25 these look like bait messages. I think twitch pulled something extremely sinister here because they really wanted out of that deal. Since that failed someone who faced the consequences for that now just tried (and maybe succeeded) getting revenge.

@ohnosmoarlulcatz

3 күн бұрын

The key detail is missing as well, which is the message directly stating he knowingly the age. It's similar to the cases where a bar may serve drinks to someone who in using false documents or were taken home from the bar for other activities. If the proof that is given isn't good enough, this can end up really bad for twitch.

@user-zj6tl2jt9h

2 күн бұрын

Clout goblins are never satisfied.

@mesicek7

2 күн бұрын

Why would they want one of their top golden goose out ? He was among top 20 most popular streamers. You don't get rid of the golden goose unless something is seriously wrong.

@Schniebel89

2 күн бұрын

@@mesicek7 The deal was probably too expensive once they realized that mixer would not be able to hold. And with Ninja, Shroud and therelike coming back for free, there is no reason to pay millions to someone who isn't even top 10.

@Thor-Orion

Күн бұрын

@@mesicek7no content creator is a golden goose, they’re all replaceable in the eyes of the platforms. Because viewers WILL find someone else to watch.

I'll say this: -This happened years ago. I only make this point as a way of saying that, seeing as his family is (so far) still intact, I am hopeful that he has redeemed himself since 2017. -As for the DM'ing with a "minor," I think there are two aspects to this; legal and moral. In terms of legality, was the person he DM'd above the age of consent? If so, then I couldn't in good conscience call him a pedo. I just don't like that heavy of an accusation being tossed around like it means nothing. As for the moral part of it, see the above point. He obviously made terrible, horrible choices in 2017 that definitely put his family unit at risk and I hope that he is honest when he says he is not that man any longer. -As for the past alleged DM'ing with a trans person, look, THAT IS NONE OF OUR BUSINESS AND TOTALLY NOT RELEVANT TO THE TWITCH DRAMA. Again, see the first point above. Until we get the actual, factual DM's from twitch along with more details that are not public, I am standing with Doc. I don't trust Twitch commies or ex-Twitch commies, and I sure as shit don't trust keyboard warriors who are willing to throw out the worst of accusations when we, the public, have very little knowledge of the details.

This video was a well balanced take on what is happening right now with DrDisrespect.

Why is KZread enabling this admitted PDF File by allowing his channel to remain online ???

The question I always ask myself in these situations is: Is the minor 12 years old? Or, is the minor 17 years old? Under the law, it makes no difference. Both situations would be considered a sex crime against a child. As I am not a prosecutor bound by oath to uphold the law as written, it does make a difference. Creeping on a pre-teen is a very different thing than trying to seduce a 17 year old. One is stupid, lame and pathetic, and the other straight up pedophilia.

@Necrotic99

2 күн бұрын

What if the minor was 16?

@Zayphar

2 күн бұрын

@@Necrotic99 What if the minor was 15? What if the minor is 14 years and 11 months? What if...what if...life is a never ending what if. That is what it means to be an adult. That is what it means to take moral responsibility for one's actions. In this case, the facts don't tell us whether DD is a monster or a creep...or both. So...I'm going to withhold judgement in this case to know...well, you know...what are the actual facts. Making judgements without facts are for blue-haired holy-rollers and moralistic busy-bodies.

@user-zj6tl2jt9h

2 күн бұрын

@@Zayphar Wish more people like you were around when this shit happened to me. My accuser came out and admitted to lying, even going as far as saying they regretted making up rumors about me because I was the best friend they had. But that didn't matter anyway because even after they went around admitting to lying I was still banned, hated, and exiled from everywhere and everybody I knew.

@zawarudo1041

2 күн бұрын

@@user-zj6tl2jt9h how many accusers were accusing you that you had this urge to write "they"? It was either he or she, otherwise you make your language intentionally harder to understand with newspeak

This whole thing is just crazy and makes no sense, why would he make that tweet? Does he have no lawyer to tell him that was a colloidal stupid idea!? Also, I'm still waiting for twitch to give their official statement on this matter

@arklaw8306

3 күн бұрын

Imagine having millions of people suddenly glaring at you and asking for answers you're not allowed to give. He probably panicked with the stress resurfacing.

@kickingitwithtimmyb

3 күн бұрын

I honestly think someone else behind the scenes threatened to OUT him even further. At some point he had to make a decision to somwhat come clean or let SOMEONE else like his opposition seize the opportunity. My Thoughts on your comment.

@arklaw8306

3 күн бұрын

@@kickingitwithtimmyb It's a theory in line with another theory that he publicly announced his cheating in 2017 (who in their right does that unless feeling extremely drunk/guilty or under duress?) as a result of blackmail. But I take that with sea-worth of salt. Maybe he did something really really bad, or maybe someone has enough leeway to make people believe he did something really really bad when he actually did nothing. I'd rather focus on what's known for sure.

@LucasCunhaRocha

3 күн бұрын

@@arklaw8306 the first thing I would do is look for a lawyer and a maybe a PR specialist as well before I say anything. Anyway, all there is to do now is wait for all the facts.

@MetalGamer666

2 күн бұрын

@@arklaw8306 Yeah, while I don't like to speculate too much, it appears someone has his balls in a vice.

Twitch needs to be investigated. This brings into question if they have tried to cover up other predatory behavior by other creators on their platform.

I actually thought this was one of the better news channels, but after watching the video on a topic I do know about I end up disappointed. Lets ignore the fact that there was a hate campaign inside twitch against Dr.Disrespect where employees broke actualy law and got fired for reading his messages and instigating the ban.