So you're telling me Current Roshi stomps Buu Saga SSJ3??

@chromephone

7 ай бұрын

No his stoping at high namek or android saga and that's even weird

@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD

7 ай бұрын

Master Roshi stomps ssb at ROF

@JoyconsRUnDriftable-dx9vv

7 ай бұрын

It’s so hard to believe Roshi in Super surpassed Cell Saga Goku and Gohan. The Dragon Ball power scaling needs a hard reset.

@chromephone

7 ай бұрын

@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD your pushing it

@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD

7 ай бұрын

@@chromephone You're*, no it's true he was able to push Frost, and Block Jiren

Yamcha in the Moro Arc states that he is one of the strongest of three earthlings including presumably himself, Krillin, and Tien

@samueloak1600

7 ай бұрын

Why is no one else mentioning that? It's absolutely correct, he's below Tien and Krillin I assume, or Krillin has gotten really weak

@TheLegend-oe5yc

4 ай бұрын

@@samueloak1600krillin had his potential unlock. He also had his awesome power up during roshi weed mission with goku. No way he got weaker than yamcha and tien who 1 basically stop training and the other who only do weak basic screaming stuff in dojo.

@samueloak1600

4 ай бұрын

@@TheLegend-oe5yc Insane troll logic. He's probably stronger than Yamcha, but TenShinHan has always outclassed him.

Qaaman, could future trunks have used his tongue to kill mecha freiza, same way Tao did to blue

You know what I just realized? That girl that put the talisman on roshi can actually be used someday to put these talismans on everyone to boost their powers, they should have done that in the moro arc, technically they could still do that in the anime if they change stuff

@QaamansLand

7 ай бұрын

Explain why Roshi could fly under her.

Great breakdown!!! 👌🏿

Dang, I need to catch a livestream of you guys at some point. You two are some of the most informed minds when it comes to dissecting Dragonball lore

Given how significant a boost Uub's godly ki donated to Vegeta's 'Spirit Bomb' in the Moro arc, I'd say Uub has got the Number 1 spot in the bag once he learns how to properly harness his power.

Nerds that have a stick up they’re asses over names be like “Uhm technically his name is Muten- Roshi 🤓”

@Sugar_SpiceDB7ZS

7 ай бұрын

😂😂 I think they're called "weebs" brother, but regardless yeah, it's funny how people like that get so bent out of shape over a name pronunciation.

@jobdylan5782

7 ай бұрын

that's me

In the original Dragonball, Roshi only used his Max Power state to fire Kamehameha waves. Starting with Resurrection F, he started actual fighting using that form. This makes Roshi the only human with a transformation.

@QaamansLand

7 ай бұрын

Is it really a "form"?

@ojpickle5923

7 ай бұрын

​​@@QaamansLandfrieza and frost talk about their version as a "form" so Roshi should count as well

@jailcatjones3250

7 ай бұрын

He used it in the og Broly movie too but he was too drunk to help and he can switch sizes in the blink of an eye.

@PorGaymer

7 ай бұрын

@@ojpickle5923 as specialy freezers og form 1 and 2

@jobdylan5782

7 ай бұрын

@@QaamansLand cell sure thinks it is, i think

Simple explanation to Master Roshi being the strongest human in Super; plot. In universe answer; he's a martial arts master who just decided one day to pick up his training again and because he knows what he's doing, he maximized his training to be as strong and knowledgeable as he can be. Why Roshi didn't do this in Z? Simple, as I said before; plot.

Interesting and good to know 👍

@QaamansLand

7 ай бұрын

Reason?

@SenseiBase

7 ай бұрын

@@QaamansLand haven’t read much of the manga so I just figured Krillin was still the strongest. 🤷‍♂️

Krilin would done way better vs Frost but he got overconfident and got sneak by him, even 18 did not see him coming

I wonder how long it'll be before uub takes this title from master roshi. Appreciate the video especially after all the work you put into editing!

@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD

7 ай бұрын

Pretty dam long

@djw_tekken8490

7 ай бұрын

Wait some years lol😂😂

@djw_tekken8490

7 ай бұрын

And uub gets a cheat anyway so not a normal human anyway

@djw_tekken8490

7 ай бұрын

They need to draw the whole ultra gohan arc and broly arc tgey just loosing time drawing known movies at that point🤣🤣🤣

I could see Grandpa Gohan still training in afterlife

@ajplays3679

7 ай бұрын

Let me guess, Toyataro is now making it so Grandpa Gohan is stronger than Gohan 😂

@jasonenglish3713

7 ай бұрын

@@ajplays3679 or close to it

@jessecortez9449

7 ай бұрын

It's likely that Grandpa Gohan has been reincarnated. Can't remember at which point of the franchise it's said but most souls, regardless of if they go to Heaven or Hell, get reincarnated after a bit of time in the Afterlife. Just like Buu gets reincarnated into Uub. Only the very rare few get to maintain themselves such as when Goku got to keep his body for saving Earth so many times. Of course, this could have been changed since every incarnation of this property makes some sort of change.

Wasn't it also in the manga, where Master Roshi criticized Goku for focusing in raw strength from transformations and such, due to fighting overpowered people like Vegeta, Frieza, Cell, Majin Buu and every other strong being that came after, and that was what basically reminded Goku of his past as a martial artist, and after that is where he started fighting more skillfully and eventually unlocked Ultra Instinct, and I see as that something really mattering in Goku's development as a fighter, because on Namek was where he mostly learned that his techniques could not beat pure raw strength at the time, since even with his techniques he could not put down Freiza and required Super Saiyan to do it, so I can kind of see where it makes sense for Master Roshi to be the strongest, when it comes to skill itself since he has the most experience.

It’s kind of hard to guess regarding Uub’s power if we apply Super into this. Roshi’s feats are insane but I think it was underestimated how much energy Uub gave out given that it was enough to give Goku to become MUI again and being able to get through Moro’s defenses. If you take their fight in Z with Super’s context, obviously Goku is holding back significantly to make the fight interesting but Uub is still managing to trade blows. Like I said though, Super’s powerscaling makes this so confusing and frustrating

Krillin is the most popular and iconic human character

This goes to show the problem with super. They had to scale every character to ssj blue level even if it doesn't make sense. Frieza, Android 17, Krillin and Roshi all got massive amps out of nowhere. Next we're gonna see Turtle fighting on par with Jiren

@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD

7 ай бұрын

Not unless you're Yamcha or Tienshinhan or piccolo before super heros

@Bingo_the_Pug

7 ай бұрын

Roshi dodging Jiren’s attacks is simultaneously both stupid & awesome at the same time

@ojpickle5923

7 ай бұрын

​@@XZAVIER-DAA-GODpiccolo got a decent jump. His special beam canon was comparable in strength to ultimate gohan. A character who was vaguely similar in strength to golden frieza

@joshnacua8998

4 ай бұрын

Hey man Elders always have tricks up their sleeves

@TheLegend-oe5yc

4 ай бұрын

Bro, krillin got his potential unlock….

Roshi might be more human than triclops Tien or noseless Krillin, but he has two broken power ups which Yamcha doesn't have: eternal life and the power of NoFap.

I think we should start looking at things in a few new ways to some, different ways for others, and a concept well-known to many for millennia. A.) your ki "energy/power" is completely relative to 3 factors regarding oneself (not elaborating) most importantly one's potential, potential has a relative meaning in it's several uses, and that is why super saiyan goku can be hurt with a rock while sleeping/unaware, possibly even assassinated with a gun, that is why mai was trying to quite possibly snipe goku black; however, even DBS wrongly portrayed the core principles of energy and techniques such as the spirit bomb. B.) we might as well look at all grades of SSJ, such as 1, 2, 3, and all in-betweeners as simply Super Saiyan and the "forms" are just tapping into the Super Saiyan power, the super saiyan potential, and not "power-scale" them based on a number, and finally C.) we should take all of that into account at that when comparing comparing certain characters like Roshi, Buu, Jiren, Uub; Buu (junsui) was a frickin uncontrollable menace, you can't power scale that, he could have probably raised his ki and bubblegummed enough to overwhelm jiren or fallen into a coma so deep you could push his ass right into an electric rice cooker, he's a great example.

This is crazy when u think about it.

It should be , Ubb, Killian, Tien, Yamaha, Chouzu, Yajorobi, Master Roshi

Good video

I find it ridiculous that he defeated the mighty Tenshinhan. Like okay maybe if you wanna say Tenshinhan and Chaozu are not by definition human (and both should be way stronger than Roshi). However Yamucha and Kuririn are full humans and should be way more powerful than him as well even if they trained less/not at all over the years. Now obviously not by BP but by skill it's crazy that he surpassed them. If he is that strong- Why didn't he came to fight against Nappa and Bejita? Also you said that after Mutaito died Roshi became the strongest man alive. Are we sure he was always stronger than Shen? And what about Tao? I think a battle between Tao and Roshi during DB days would have been too close. By skill I mean, by numbers I think Tao was stronger.

Old man Daredevil

Honestly I would scale DBS manga humans like this: Tien- Cell saga SSJ2 Gohan level Krillin- SSJ1 Buu saga Goku level Roshi- SSJ3 BoG Goku level Yamcha- SSJ1 BoG Goku level ( post SSJGod absorption)

@QaamansLand

7 ай бұрын

Android 18?

@chocolatebar6785

7 ай бұрын

⁠@@QaamansLand android 18 ssjb android 17 ssjb

@QaamansLand

7 ай бұрын

How would you scale Videl?

@Flipitmixit

7 ай бұрын

Wtf😂

Simple it became either roshi or krillin, because yamcha was changed to fodder eventhough he technically should be stronger than roshi and the same with tien, the shear disrespect that folks who barely train surpass them. I would rather make tien and yamcha become completely background character like launch than to disrespect them. The anime gives yamcha some praise!

logically tien should have been the strongest human out of the 4 in the poll but for some reason roshi the least logical canditate is the strongest human on earth not just this 4 based on dbs

@robroy373

7 ай бұрын

Especially when Tien does nothing but train his whole life, yet Roshi and Krillin train far less than him but get super strong in Super just because, while Tien gets nothing.

@pt5728

7 ай бұрын

@@robroy373and if anyone is gonna be a mutant of the human race, it’s the one guy with 3 eyes. He’s the one human that makes the most sense to get a random power jump

@keondramcintyre3444

7 ай бұрын

You'd figured Tien at least have some new techniques if he trained constantly. Hell, Krillin actually improved the Solar Flair.

@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD

7 ай бұрын

That's because Tienshinhan is Chinese & Japan hates his raw talent

@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD

7 ай бұрын

Super Doesn't have logic

Roshgoat: "Don't worry, I'm the strongest"

Isnt tien part of an alien race called the 3 eye tribe or some similar bs? Its been awhile since i reviewed his backstory but i was sure he isnt human

@sSthesquadSs

7 ай бұрын

Also the argument for strongest “man” doesn’t work unless goku piccolo gohan and vegeta suddenly identify as female

So tien being the only human character that never stopped training. That should logically be the strongest Is stripped of his title and made into a joke. And the fans just sleep on him. Training and hard work don't matter anymore in dragon ball. If you wanna get stronger just bs your way to the top. If you train the right way the writers will crap on you.

why is the u not capitalised in Human in the title?

@QaamansLand

7 ай бұрын

To grab your attention.

@NeroPiroman

7 ай бұрын

@@QaamansLand it certenly worked, allso my man yajarobi who damaged vegeta the most after goku, and was the only z fighter aside from gohan to survive in the future didnt get a shoutout XD

He is also the bravest

@Flipitmixit

7 ай бұрын

Thats also Krillin

Its definitely krillin. He was shown keeping up with foghters that gave 18 some trouble. This same 18 fought a universe amped Ribrianne and tanked punches from Aniliza. Then later he stuns cell max who should scale far above jiren.

@QaamansLand

7 ай бұрын

Did you comment before watching? There is no way you can say that after watching this video

@ojpickle5923

7 ай бұрын

​@@QaamansLandWhy not? Serious question because nothing in the video contradicts my statement. Roshi doing better against frost doesn't mean anything since krillin only lost so fast because he was caught off guard. That's like the Lazer beam incident all over again. Besides frost, what other fights does Roshi have to put him above krillin? Him dodging Jiren is impressive but not as impressive as what krillin did against a far stronger cell Max.

@QaamansLand

7 ай бұрын

@@ojpickle5923 That's why I asked if you saw the video. We listed other feats besides Frost and Jiren. So I'll ask again. Did you honestly watch the entire video?

@ssjecm

7 ай бұрын

@Qaamansland did YOU watch the whole video?? If Roshi can hang with 18 why didn't he save the future timeline?? I've seen your vids on future Roshi and stuff but it doesn't make sense other than plot.

@QaamansLand

7 ай бұрын

@@ssjecm Super changed the scaling. What does that have to do about this video?

Super’s power scaling has been crazy

@Apotheosis1113

3 ай бұрын

By crazy you mean badly written

@alieucamara8525

3 ай бұрын

@@Apotheosis1113 yeah that’s exactly what I mean

I think people powerscale Super from a very wrong criteria of perceived strength, while in fact it is about stance, form and technique. Roshi is weaker compared to the other 3 humans actually, but has infinite better ki control and advanced abilities to counter that. In the series humans were always about potential output vs stamina, the same way Krillin's destructo disk was OP against everyone until the Cell saga

I consider Uub as the strongest human. For some reason nobody considers him as a human.

@QaamansLand

7 ай бұрын

Did you watch the video?

@ginnungagapabyss5639

7 ай бұрын

@@QaamansLand just started it. Okay, I see the Uub part was towards the end of the video.

Ahem! MAFUBA!!! 😂

Surprised to see your using color 😂 sad part is that even in resurrection F he was struggling against random frieza soldiers who are raditz level.Meaning that even by super he wasn’t even stronger than saiyan saga goku.yet in the TOP the writing was just on his side.

@QaamansLand

7 ай бұрын

Which did you prefer?

@extremelegendsupreme4596

7 ай бұрын

@@QaamansLandprobably color tbh

I can't believe people think puny Krillin is stronger than Tien, a guy who stopped training is stronger than a guy who NEVER stopped training, Krillin fans are delusional LMAO

Haha a Qaaman vid with a closing 😅

Chi chi is the strongest woman. She knows key control and she knows how to raise her power level. Unlike Verdell

Why not even mention that Yuri's talisman might have amped Roshi beyond his normal capabilities? Manga Roshi is a beast tho

The strongest human ever in dragon ball universe has to be killa because whenever he talks in jive, nearby character in his range will suffer slow damaging brain infection that farts out toxic gas that can penetrate the strongest form of ki

I figured that since Roshi fought in Res F, he realized that he couldn't just leave things to the New Generation like he was fine with back in the OG days of dragonball. This was further reinforced when Goku came to him to learn the Mafuba, when Roshi even wondered how bad things have gotten if *Goku* has to resort to it. So he had plenty of time to do bit of image training (the same training Freeza did back in Hell), which at his age was the most optimal route for him while he played catch up.

@jobdylan5782

7 ай бұрын

there's like 50 times roshi laments being powerless in db and the z portion of the manga

@dreamcream3738

7 ай бұрын

@@jobdylan5782 and now he finally worked to do something about it.

@jobdylan5782

7 ай бұрын

@@dreamcream3738 no he didn't he's not capable of doing that lol

@King_Boo_5

7 ай бұрын

@@jobdylan5782DB character have trained and scaled off each other for the longest, it doesn’t make sense but there’s a whole lot of moments in dragon ball Z where it doesn’t make sense

Its just fan service, Master Roshi said a long time ago his days were gone besides why would he train again when we have characters like Beerus and Whis visiting Earth , sure they wont solve everything but they are a cop out. He didnt train when everyone almost died why would he now, he can rest and enjoy his mags.

Master roshi and tien

Where’s uub? Bro is completely human

@QaamansLand

5 ай бұрын

Did you watch the video?

can everyone over 20 just finally agree to ignore super and anything toriyama says about anything and move on

Super makes no sense and I will never count it as cannon

akira hates tien its that simple.

This why I don't like Super power scaling is stupid.

Honestly, while I like Roshi and his relevance and even his proto-UI in the manga, I still think he should be weaker than the other humans and Tien should be the strongest.

Tien shinhan supposed to be the strongest human he literally never stoped training through dbz and on

Unfortunately yes he is untill they tell us how Uub is stronger

Nahh Mr. Satan no diffs

No.. The Stongest Human in Dragon Ball is Olibu. Olibu Stood 1 on 1 with Pikkon who was stronger than Super Perfect Cell.. Olibu also was down to go one on one with Golden Meta Cooler in Super Dragon Ball Heroes

@NAMEKDENDE

3 ай бұрын

KRILLIN is canonically the strongest

Outside of his lechery, I really like Roshi. He’s one of the earliest examples of the mentor/Sage character not becoming completely sidelined after passing on their knowledge and wisdom. As someone who greatly admires their grandparents, I also subscribe to the idea that no matter old you get you can still strive to be better-which I think Roshi incapsulates in Super.

This is why I don't put much stock in Super's power scaling.

It's funny because it doesn't make any sense, it already started with the shitty movie Fukkatsu no F, so we didn't call Yamcha because he's not training yet but Master Roshi is here because fuck it (apart from Frieza with 4 months of training pure juice of idiocy). Then it goes to the tournament of power, they could have brought Yamcha, Mirai Trunks, Gotenks, Yajirobe or even Chaos but no, they had to bring the master to do those ridiculous baits in the anime (an old man that aliens and weird beings would result in he almost dies 🤯) then in the manga, the master "fighting" against Jiren is less worse (ignoring him eliminating the captain of the troop there) there isn't the joke of infinite mafuba and final explosion that isn't the final either Anyone who has a thinking brain knows that these are lame excuses to artificially increase the level of power to make incredible Super fights. If I were to put Human power levels it would be: Current Krillin: between Goku MSSJ (Cell Games) and Perfect Cell. Current Tenshinhan: Super Perfect Cell. Current Yamcha: between Super Vegeta and Goku MSSJ (Cell Games). Current Master Roshi: Freeza first form (namek saga). If someone agrees, that's cool, if not that's fine, but for me it's the most logical.

@samueloak1600

7 ай бұрын

I agree!

KRILLIN is the strongest human ever

This is absolutely bullshit. Roshi shouldn't even be able to beat Yamcha, let alone Tenshinhan. However, it's true that he beat him in that episode in Super. The thing is, Dragon Ball Super's anime has a lot of bullshit.

@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD

7 ай бұрын

All of super does, even though unfortunately Battle of Gods was great

@matheusrocha1184

7 ай бұрын

@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD Yeah, I agree with you

@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD

7 ай бұрын

@@matheusrocha1184 Master Roshi shouldn't even bet stronger than Yajirobe or Chiaotzu

@matheusrocha1184

7 ай бұрын

@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD You're absolutely right. As much as I like the guy, he is already a retired fighter since OG

sincerely, Roshi was weaker than any of the Z fighters (even weaker than yamcha) by the time vegeta and nappa arrived at earth. but, retcons, plot holes and how much people like roshi has forced the hand of fate to make him relevant despite that being an absurd. the strongest human would be either krilin or tenshin. if you take into account that A17 and A18 are humans (even if enhanced) one of them would be the strongest. probably A17 is stronger but that's anybody's guess. Videl could become stronger than Roshi if properly trained (or if she had trained for real since she was little) but she will never get the proper training. and we all know that Uub only lacks experience. he's far more powerful than roshi but he would, probably, lose to him. unless Uub hit roshi with all he has before roshi could begin with his tricks.

Qaaman once again milking talking about Master Roshi

Dragonball super isn't Canon it's fan service. Raditz beats Roshi. Why would roshi be this strong yet not help with any fights in Z series but comes in for TOP. Let's stop the BS

@QaamansLand

7 ай бұрын

Did you see the video were were proved Roshi is beyond Super Saiyan Blue Level?

@jobdylan5782

7 ай бұрын

@@QaamansLand no bc it's pointless. make a cool video like "does yajirobe dogwalk whis"

If you consider dragon ball super for power scaling, your brain will explode. Dragon ball super is absolute garbage, it's fan service. Master roshi was 139, probably 250 at max power, while Yamcha surpassed 20000 for sure. Yamcha continued to train and fought against androids, cell and Majin bu. At the end, I can give him something like 500000 or 1 million, which is nothing if compared to other Z warriors with billions of power. Then you put master roshi at jiren level, which is thousand of billions, for no fucking reason. Dragon ball super manga is even worse than the anime. In the anime, master roshi was chosen not for his power, but for the experience in tournaments and strategy. In the anime, he fought against garbage fighters from unknown universes, so you can't tell if they were powerful or not. In the manga, he fought against Frost (which is Freezer's counter part in his final form!) and he fought against Jiren to show to Goku in super sayan fucking blue form how to fight with ultra instinct, which makes absolutely no sense. In dragon ball super, the authors are so ignorant that they confused what in dragon ball z is considered basic martial art skills, like anticipating moves and dodging kicks, with ultra instict at god level. Just to make an example: Beerus can destroy 10 planets with a sneeze. Goku was able to oppose Beerus in his super sayan god form. Jiren defeated easily Goku in his super sayan blue form. Master roshi fought against Jiren. So, master roshi is more powerful than the entire sayan race, a super sayan, Freezer, Cell, Majin bu, a super sayan god and a super sayan blue? OR dragon ball super is just fan service for little kids, which makes absolutely no sense?

This is just bad writing

@QaamansLand

7 ай бұрын

How?

@letsdothisshiat1162

7 ай бұрын

@@QaamansLandmaster Roshi was already getting outclassed by everyone in dragon ball and suddenly he’s more powerful than ssj3 during the buu saga, with zero explanation on how he got that strong. Like if they are going to make him that stupidly op atleast make it make sense, they could’ve just given him ultra instinct if they wanted him to be that strong

@QaamansLand

7 ай бұрын

@@letsdothisshiat1162 Goku said Master Roshi went through secret training after Roshi wrecked Tien.

Having a coward like Krillin be the strongest human is lame to me anyway. I’d rather Roshi be the strongest human over Krillin. At least Roshi has hundreds of years of observing what works and what doesn’t and there’s no reason to assume Roshi hasn’t done gravity training.

@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD

7 ай бұрын

Krillin was never the strongest human besides being alive in the Frieza saga it was Always Tienshinhan untill Uub

@jobdylan5782

7 ай бұрын

Krillin was never a coward, he fought like every villain lol

@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD

7 ай бұрын

@@jobdylan5782 not every, and not but will either

Na man tien should be the strongest I can debunk ur entire argument of Roshi being the strongest

@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD

7 ай бұрын

No you can't, in Z and original cannon Tienshinhan was in the Buu saga untill Uub, but in Super Master Roshi is the strongest not counting 17, then Krillin not counting 18, then Uub then unfortunately Tienshinhan

Even in the anime, Master Roshi almost died using his Kamehameha to eliminate Ganos. After that a severely worn down Roshi was still able to hold his own and trade blows with Frost, his power boost was insane.