Thank you for the concerns about rattlesnakes. Before we film, we did check the area first to make sure it was safe. And, NO, we are not experts on planes. For anyone who is interested, a viewer sent us this link about the crash. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

@problu9586

Жыл бұрын

Extremely interesting find. Amazing the 2 occupants with broken legs were able to crawl 7 miles to a roadway and hitch a ride to a hospital. Wonder if both or either of them are still around, today?

@PinInTheAtlas

Жыл бұрын

@@problu9586 makes you wonder!

This wreck matches my father's twin engine Aztec Piper. Tail number N5530Y. He sold it in the 70's. Within a week or 2 of the sale he got a call from the feds. He told them that he sold it and to whom. That was the end of the story. Thanks for the update?

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Wow, that is incredible Peter. Thanks for sharing that info. Not sure if you have the link about this crash. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

@NakedProphet

3 жыл бұрын

@@PinInTheAtlas Different tail number. And thus the on-going story of Dad's Aztec 5530Y concludes again. Peace

@BikerFail16

3 жыл бұрын

Get some pictures of the plane when he owned it

Hi Guys, Your content keeps getting better and better with each upload!! Awesome!! Keep um coming!!

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much, Dennis. We are learning all the time. If you would like more info on this crash, one of our viewers sent us this link. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

Any survivors of a crash like that, would be awfully lucky! Great outing, you two!

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Kerry. They were drug runners, and they did survive apparently. Here is a link one of our viewers sent us. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/ Glad you enjoyed the video.

That looks to be a mid 60's Piper twin engine Aztec. Considered by most to be apply described as a flying pickup truck. Can haul a bunch of weight

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

So it seems to be the perfect aircraft for what they were supposedly using it for. Here is a link one of our viewers sent us about the plane. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

@n.derosa2279

3 жыл бұрын

Looking at the throttle quadrant, you may be right.

@williammenchen7562

3 жыл бұрын

Yes!

@bottomlinebassin2001

3 жыл бұрын

How the pilot and passenger survived that one I'll never know!

@ohanailo7743

3 жыл бұрын

Good catch, it was a, Piper Aztec family of aircraft.

You guys are so good at this!!!!!So interesting 😊

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

So pleased that you enjoyed this pin. We have many more explores to come. If you are interested in finding out more about this particular site, one of our viewers sent us this link. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

Nice video! Thanks for sharing...

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Gerry. Glad you enjoyed it. If you are interested in this crash site, one of our viewers sent us this link. It makes an interesting read. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

Interesting visit to this crash site. The plane received its air worthiness certificate on 8/24/1976, so it was a relatively new plane. The tail number was stricken from the records in January, 1978. A very short life to a very rugged and reliable Aztec, one of Piper's best. At the time of the accident it was registered to an individual in Clear Lake, Ca. The NTSB report showed one gallon of fuel remaining in an unauthorized auxiliary tank. Adding fuel tanks to allow for a longer non-stop trip is common when moving contraband. Fatalities: None Occupants: Two. Further details at: aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=124962

@PinInTheAtlas

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info. Very interesting.

@joeglennaz

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Nice video! Keep it up guys.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Martin. Here is a link about the site someone sent us. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

This is sad but fascinating. Another excellent video... 👏🧡

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

So pleased you enjoyed our explore, Rhonda. Here is a link about the crash site someone sent us. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

@rhondaz356

3 жыл бұрын

@@PinInTheAtlas thank you, so much👏 That was so very helpful and also answers some questions. To think they lived through that crash, amazes me!

This is my first time watching your videos. Thought it was very well done

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. It is a massive learning curve and we learn more with each video. So glad you enjoyed it. If you would like more info on the crash, one of our viewers sent us this link. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/. We hope you continue to get pleasure out of our "pins".

You might want to be VERY careful moving and looking under those aircraft parts. You never know what critter might be hiding from the sun under them! I dare say that no one walked away from that plane crash.

@dennishough3709

3 жыл бұрын

I was cringing every time they lifted up a part of the wreckage.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Andrea has No FEAR, we have since found that they did survive the crash, here is a link one of our viewers sent us about the crash joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

@glennbullock1212

3 жыл бұрын

Wow. I'm amazed that anyone survived that crash. They should have headed directly to Vegas and played anything and everything with their kind of luck!!!

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

@@glennbullock1212 They might have done if they weren't picked up by the police!

@lorditsprobingtime6668

3 жыл бұрын

@@PinInTheAtlas That is amazing that they even survived at all when things are as mangled as everything from that poor plane. I've seen far less mutilation of the aircraft itself with no survivors and that is very badly mangled. Those 2 had done amazingly traveling 9 miles with broken legs too so obviously they had a strong will to survive (even if not enough sense to work out how much fuel they needed) and that 9 mile journey in their condition which I'm sure would have involved a lot of other lesser maybe but, still difficulties created by them. I do believe that report but till I saw that I was thinking there was no way they survived that. I'm not sure it would be easy to make people feel any sympathy for them but it does sound like one of those survival stories that could make a good movie.

New subscriber here. Getting caught up with all your very interesting videos. Hard to imagine anyone walked, or in this case, apparently crawled away from this crash.

@PinInTheAtlas

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome, Jerry. We hope you enjoy our pins. Yes it is hard to believe, but apparently they did. And found several miles away. Although over time we believe the wreckage has been scavenged somewhat, so it probably looks a lot worse now than when it happened.

Great find and well documented. More please.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

A different kind of explore for us, Don. Glad you enjoyed it. We will have to do more research and discover more unusual events to document. Someone sent us this link about the crash. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

That was a great video and very entertaining. Well done. Greetings from Arizona.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it, Mike. If you'd like to read some info about the crash, one of our viewers sent us this link. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

This was really exciting and interesting! 🔥so much mystery - love it! love rugged scenery. Nice to see Tonto watching faithfully from below👏😃. Look forward to next vid ✌🏽🤙🏽🙋🏽

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Tonto is a star, Bernardo. So glad you enjoyed our "outing". We had so much fun recording this adventure. One of our viewers sent us this link about the crash site if you are interested. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

@bernardofitzpatrick5403

3 жыл бұрын

@@PinInTheAtlas wow! Thanks so much. I will have a look. 🤙🏽✌🏽

What a really cool Trip This Was! My Absolute favorite part of all was you BOTH laughing TOGETHER! This "Story" reminded me of a story I heard years ago from a person in a small town as well. What was appealing to me was going around asking "locals" if they knew of this particular story and what was their take...the end result was So many Versions of the so called Story events.....even the "core of the story" changed a bit too. So I can believe how a story through the years can get embellished. But after reading some of the great comments from your Fan Base and then seeing you both left a Link to the Real Deal Story...I got as excited as only an Adult Kid can get in late June while feeling like it's Christmas Morning! Only been Riding along in Tonto a short time....but feels as though we ALL have been traveling from place to place and just having fun! Cheers From Ohio

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so very much. We are learning as we go and we are so humbled by all the support and help we receive in these comments. It truly does get us both a bit tearful from time to time, we are overwhelmed by the kindness we are receiving and it is pushing us to continue growing and finding even better sites to document.

4K, 65" 2.5feet from my face, these vids are AWESOME! Love the 4K camera!

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

We film on an iPhone and edit in Imovies. No special software. Thank you so much for the compliment. We are learning all the time. If you are interested in more info about this crash site, one of our viewers sent us this link. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

The wing looked like it had been picked up and moved with heavy machinery as that small area of damage does not correspond with the crash damage.Great video guys

@PinInTheAtlas

2 жыл бұрын

This site was weird because of how little remained and people picking up and moving bits from their original locals, but we had a lot of fun exploring it!

Awesome video!

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Lance. glad you enjoyed it. If you would like to know more about this crash site, one of our viewers sent us this link. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

Nicely done.. I'm so glad I came back and watched this again for the new comments. A few observations for your next plane: - a good source for documentation on plane accidents is NTSB (national transportation safety board) - you noted that he aircraft regisrstion number is on the tail. It is also on the dashboard in front of the pilot left seat above the cluster of instrument

@davidm.9510

3 жыл бұрын

Most Pipers are low wing planes, including the Astec

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidm.9510 Thank you very much for that information, we really appreciate that it helps us out in our future explorations. We will keep an eye out for those if we get wind of another crash site to explore.

@davidm.9510

3 жыл бұрын

Btw, I found you thru Wonderhussy.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidm.9510 Welcome aboard, hope you enjoy the rest of our content.

I believe that no one walked away from this crash. The wind could have spread the pieces around from the original wreckage positions.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Hi James, we have since found out through the comments, the two occupants did survive the crash. They were found crawling away and transported to the nearest town for treatment. Here is the link to that story if you are interested. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

@jamesparker6876

3 жыл бұрын

To:@@PinInTheAtlas That is very hard to believe. The condition of the Plane Wreckage would suggest that the plane was torn to pieces, leaving little to no structure to protect the occupants of the plane. How many people were on the plane?

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesparker6876 There were only two according to that website.

Everything in that desert has bullet holes in it . Usually road signs .

@LuvBorderCollies

3 жыл бұрын

Especially NO HUNTING signs....those things are bullet magnets.

Awesome video Guys

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Marilyn. A different type of explore for us. Glad you enjoyed it.

Greeting again, and thanks for an interesting but rather macabre adventure. I have seen several explorations of small plane crash sites on you tube and they all rather look alike. That is, many scattered and varied remnants. Very fine presentation. CHEERS!

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Bubby. This was our first crash site explore, and we know nothing about planes lol. One of our viewers sent us this link if you are interested. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

@bubby650

3 жыл бұрын

@@PinInTheAtlas Many thanks for the link about the crash site information. That rather closes the circle about the intent of the flight and subsequent crash. It appears that quite a lot of remnants were either salvaged or taken for souvenirs prior to your arrival. It's hard to believe that anyone survived that crash only to be charged for criminal activity. CHEERS!

Great adventure guys, very interesting! Hard to think that wreckage is survivable, but we know that you are passing information that was passed to you. Regardless if the occupants survived or not you guys rocked on this video, by just finding it. The back story just adds to the mystery. Thanks guys for sharing! Danny in Alabama

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Danny. Thanks. This was our first explore of a crash site. We were put onto it by a local, and of course, over the years the story has been somewhat exaggerated. however, it was a drug plane, and the occupants did survive by all accounts. One of our viewers sent us this link. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

@daveyjones9930

3 жыл бұрын

@@PinInTheAtlas Being the conspiracy theorist I am, I'd say because of an apparent cover-up and no numbers on it, the plane was probably owned by the CIA as part of their drug running operations. However. The counterpoint would be, that IF it was a CIA operation, one would think the CIA would have come in, rescued their people (pilot and passengers) and cleared up the entire area of wreckage. WDIK?? 😂

What ever the reality of the crash it is very interesting to see the detail of the wreckage. And you do have a high video quality which makes it so easy to watch.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Tommy. We only use an iPhone and edit on iMovies. No special software. We are learning all the time. If you are interested on finding out more about the crash site, one of our viewers sent us this link. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

with two throttle, prop and mixture levers, it's NOT a single engine plane.

Definitely an Aztec (twin engined Piper) Looks like the crash site has been picked clean of most of the big components such as engines, props and landing gear. All that other stuff has undoubtedly been blown around and scattered over the years it can get pretty windy out there at times.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

It certainly has Paul. We were sent this link with a few more details about this crash if you are interested. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

@pi.actual

3 жыл бұрын

And to think that now you can just go down to CoCo Farms and buy as much marijuana as you want and it's perfectly legal. Nobody thought that would ever happen in 1977.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

@@pi.actual So true.

If they walked away from this they need to go to church now.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

That is so funny. Not sure if you have seen this link about the crash joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/ And they DID walk away amazingly

Another great adventure

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Raymond. We thoroughly enjoyed this adventure. Totally new for us. Here is a link about the site one of our viewers sent. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

Wow, you guys sure have some big, open sky out in that part of the world. 🙂

Nice to see ya still having fun out there. Do you know the module?

@PinInTheAtlas

Жыл бұрын

I put a link in the description

Thats right Andrea aluminium.LOL.....Y ou are living my dream... wonderful videos Thank you

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed our explore. If you are interested, here is a link one of our viewers sent us about the crash. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

The two tubes she had picked thinking they had to do with thrust where actually the exhaust for the engine nacelles. And the white fiberglass section was the right wing tip . No fuel in this location of the wing. The larger piece of wreckage was the right wing and cockpit section. That contain the engine throttle quadrant. The tail and engines where recovered during the investigation.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info, John

I see two augmentor tubes (exhaust) looks like a B model piper Aztec

I know it's a rumor but there's no way men crashed landed and survived in that terrain then walked 70 miles with no injuries. No survivors.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

We thought the same thing, Annalee. The story has been somewhat exaggerated over the years, but apparently, the occupants did survive and they were drug runners. But they only walked 9 miles before they were discovered, and they were injured. A viewer sent us this link. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

Love your Randomland hat Andrea...

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Sally. Just love Justin. Always want to support fellow KZreadrs.

From the window configuration, shape and sizes, this looks like a Piper Aztec, to me.

@photobuzz

3 жыл бұрын

After getting to see more parts and pieces, I'm fairly sure this was a twin engine Piper Aztec.

@desertdawg3409

3 жыл бұрын

@@photobuzz Yes, windows were give away. Could be an Apache but need more pictures.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Apparently so. We know nothing about aircraft. One of our viewers did send us this link about the site. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

@photobuzz

3 жыл бұрын

@@desertdawg3409 Yes. After looking at pictures of the Apache, I believe you're correct. There is a small, but obvious, difference in the front, side windows, of the two planes and I would agree this is an Apache.

@photobuzz

3 жыл бұрын

The way I'm flip flopping, you'll probably call me Dr. Fauci. But after looking closer at the wreckage, I'm going to say it's an Aztec. Again, it's that forward window configuration that says it's an Aztec.

Good Sound and picture.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Al.

How come there were two wing parts with an engine mount on each one? Looks like a twin engine aircraft!

Please be careful when lifting things in the desert.......rattlesnakes love to hide there.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

We did check the pieces off-camera to make sure it was all clear. Thank you!

@totallyjonesin

3 жыл бұрын

@@PinInTheAtlas Seen you on Wonderhussy!

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

@@totallyjonesin Thank you for coming over to check out our channel as well, we really appreciate that!

Very interesting story! I'm surprised there is no information about this crash!

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

I searched and searched online, even looking at the aviation crash site website, and found nothing. However, one of our viewers sent us this link. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

@lindawatson3356

3 жыл бұрын

@@PinInTheAtlas well that clears up some misconceptions! Thanks for sharing the link! That was a lot of pot and very surprising that they walked/crawled out of the wreckage!

Thank you for being "snake" safe. That was my first thought. Just think, 70 miles from the nearest town. That's a couple of 3 days of walking.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

We always check, Ken. Thanks. Oh, and we found out that they only walked 9 miles before getting picked up by law enforcement. Not sure if you saw the link another viewer sent us.

Those bullet holes are a bit small for military air to air. Looks like someone out plinking these as targets.

Thumbs up!

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Thomas. Glad you enjoyed our "pin".

I don't see how anyone survived that crash given how scattered it was. Very interesting.

@PinInTheAtlas

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, we agree, crazy that did, right? With minor injuries to boot!!!

This one had the optional fiberglass tip tanks ( 22 gal each )

Hey folks. Looks like a toasty day indeed. I love Summer time. It can get hot at times back here in OZ. But how interesting is this sad plane crash? The desert still holds many secrets and still tells many tales I guess.l just love American & British history. Love it.Great vlog again folks. Thanks for sharing.Next time.👍🇦🇺😁❤️

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Greg. Yes, it sure gets hot "Down Under". I travelled around Oz for a couple of years working the Fruit Picking seasons. Just love Australia. We hope to do some explores there one day. Glad you enjoyed our "Pin". A viewer sent us this link explaining what really happened. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

@gregraymond428

3 жыл бұрын

@@PinInTheAtlas Wow mate. That’s great to hear. Glad you had a great time in OZ. Stay safe.👍🇦🇺😁

I am a consultant on aviation accidents...nobody walked away from that... There has to be some history on that accident, no engines and no props....Great video...thanks!

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed the vid. One of our viewers sent us this link about the site. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

@juststeve7665

2 жыл бұрын

lol wrong

As for the bullet holes, first is to look for shell casings on the ground around the bits with holes in them. Not guaranteed you'll find any, just move the top soil around some. Also, who ever was shooting at it could have been far away at the time, the wreckage would make good long distance target.

@PinInTheAtlas

2 жыл бұрын

You could be right about the distance, Evan. We didn't see any casings. It is a shame that people feel the need to shoot up everything - in our opinion.

Very cool Vid. I am a pilot, and I used to be the safety officer in my local Civil Air Patrol squadron. I had the job of reporting on general aviation accidents each month, and it was depressing learning how people end up in shredded balls of flaming AL-U-Minium as you Royal Subjects say, otherwise referred to by us Yanks as Aluminum. I was thinking this thing looked like a Piper Aztec, and that is a twin engine plane. The framing on one of the wing pieces aligns with that theory - I think it supported one of the engines. Single engine planes have the engine out in front of the pilot, but twins have them on the wings. When an NTSB investigator starts their look at a crash sight, they try to find all four corners of the plane. That means the nose, tail and wing tips. If they are close together, then it came straight down-ish. If they can't find one or more corners at the site, it came off the plane in the air, and could be miles away from the eventual crash site. Since there isn't a lot of airplane parts here, it lends credence that the plane was shot down and came apart in the air, but unless the pilot and/or passenger were able to walk on water, I highly doubt they would have walked away - even in the unlikely event they had parachutes and were unscathed by the plane being torn apart in the air. However, people could have taken parts over the years. So, we will really never know for sure. I read one of the posts that indicated the poster found the NTSB report, it would be cool to have that link if they read this. One slight correction though; the wing would be on the underside of the fuselage, known as a "low wing" v. something like a Cessna Skyhawk or "high wing". If the occupants DID walk away, I have to believe that souvenir hunters raided this wreck - there is NOT a lot left. In fact, I'm surprised there are no engines or parts of them, lending credence to the "target Practice" theory - bullet holes are from after the event. I'm also amazed that this thing is in so many pieces and yet no burn marks. Still, with that terrain and it being a retractable gear plane, if they landed gear up those rocks would have had their way with that structure and it wouldn't have been pretty. I love stuff like this; thank you for this video!

@SkyKing58318

2 жыл бұрын

Now that I read information at the link provided above (yeah, ol' Eagle Eye here missed it), it all fits. But, that site was picked apart ALOT. This is not the way the plane came to rest. By the way, the fiberglass pieces are engine cowling and perhaps the aux. fuel tank. Running out of gas explains the lack of burn marks. So, it all fits. Also, Aztecs had HUGE useful load - meaning they could carry a lot of weight - ideal for drug runners. Problem is, it's a slow twin (relatively speaking). Cessna 310's and Cessna Centurions (being a single engine aircraft v. the 310 which is what Sky King flew in the later episodes) were highly prized for drug running because of their range and carrying capacity. Uh...so I heard...

@PinInTheAtlas

2 жыл бұрын

It makes for an interesting read, doesn't it? So the shot down bit we think is made up just to spice up the story. But, they did walk away, which seems impossible.

The tubular bit is an exhaust shroud

That’s a throttle quadrant it controls the engine ,propeller and flaps

@14facts

3 жыл бұрын

Throttle quadrant holds throttle, Mixture, and Propeller RPM, used to manage manifold pressure, propeller Pitch/RPM, and air/fuel mixture.

I believe the first serial number you found at 7:14 is a data plate that can identify this wreck. Send a picture to Piper and I bet they'll help you. Look at the control column at 12:19 and you can count 6 levers, 7 if you count the flap handle, and 2 were the throttle, 2 were the mixture controls, and 2 were the prop controls; so this is a twin engine aircraft and it was a low wing aircraft. Also at 13:15 you can see the cabin air control knobs and the Master Switch which connects the battery to the aircraft electrical system. All these should help to figure out what Piper airplane this is.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Hello Al, thank you for that info. Another viewer sent us this link that has more information bout this crash. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

Found a brief report of a crash on July, 1, 1970 involving a yellow Piper 28 near the National Forest.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Another viewer found this link too. Makes for an interesting read. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

I don't believe anyone could have walked away from that crash. I'm a licensed commercial pilot and I've seen several crash results and for an aircraft to break up that badly indicate a high speed impact with very little chance of survival, let alone the ability to walk away.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Harry. Here is a link one of our viewers sent us about this site. Makes for an interesting read. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

@garydoyle7155

2 жыл бұрын

fuel starvation - - engines shut down folks in the plane bail with chutes - - depending on altitude of chute deployment and slowing of descent one would expect injuries to lower extremities such as broken legs. Even the best training wouldn't help at night because you wouldn't be able to see the ground til you were almost on it so flaring your chute to give lift before impact would be close to impossible and given the rocky terrain hit an roll would also cause extensive injury. One thing for sure they didn't ride it out and walk /limp or crawl away to survive they would had to be out before impact. You don't see sky dive schools using twin low wing planes for the very reason fighter planes have ejector seats to get you clear of trailing parts of the aircraft at high speed - - high wing configuration allows you to drop down away from parts at the rear of the plane. Planes for troops in the military are way longer with the tail section elevated in level flight giving more clearance even on a static line jump

ideal place to find A/C type n model is the tail section look for a data plate approx 1.5 x 2.0-2.5

No fire no fuel in the wreck. She ran out of gas.!

Sorry some of that did not come out very good so the pulleys are for control lines for a rudder and other controls

That was a twin engine Piper, the cowling on the wing at 15:26 was for the right engine.

Amazing these two occupants survived. Runn'in dope was always quite iffy.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

We were really shocked to hear the real story and that they did walk away. Well kinda.

@leesherman100

3 жыл бұрын

@@PinInTheAtlas Not sure how ya walk away with two broken legs. Even crawling would be extreme considering the landscape.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

@@leesherman100 They had to be desperate to get away is all we can think.

I’m gonna say it’s an Aerostar, multi engine, mid wing.

Looks like a twin, like an ATP Piper Seminole. You can see that there was an engine in that wing piece you were analyzing. Cables would run throughout the aircraft in those pulleys. they would controle the ailerons' elevator, and it's "pilot controlled" tab, and rudder, but not the flaps.

@_DJGravity

3 жыл бұрын

I too see the engine in the wing section which I will go out on a limb here and say that the aircraft was also a lower wing aircraft with twin engines

@franklinl.3116

3 жыл бұрын

@@_DJGravity Hi Daniel. You are right. Even though they thought that the wing was over the top ( semi cantilever design ), They really did not know. They made no pretense about not knowing much about aircraft. Nice people that they are, they need us to help them out here.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

That we do Franklin, that we do. Thank you for your help. Another kind viewer sent us this link about this particular crash. It makes an interesting read if you are interested. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

Piper planes have been made where I live in Vero Beach, Florida. Since 1961 they have been here. Interesting if maybe those serial numbers can be traced. I know a couple people and wi see what can be found out about this. Good video guys.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed our adventure, Fredd. One of our viewers sent us this link about the crash site. They were drug runners and they did survive. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

@freddking4389

3 жыл бұрын

Hard to imagine someone would survive that wreckage but crazier things have happened. Thanks for posting this story.

Mr. Erbele just took my thunder. I was going to say that one part of the cockpit you presented showed part of a center console with two sets of levers side by side. They looked like throttle and manifold pressure controls. Part of one wing also showed the rear part of the left engine nacelle. I suspect the crash site has been partly salvaged because you didn't find engines. Also, in that desert, no one walked 70 miles after a crash with little or no water.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Probably over the years there have been lots of scavengers. We couldn't find any seats either. The story has obviously been exaggerated over the years, but, apparently they did survive and walked away - around 9 miles - before they were apprehended by the law. Here is a link one of our viewers sent us. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

That looks like a twin engine.... Somebody may have taken the one good engine.....

Who knows why the plane crashed, but I highly doubt anyone walked away from it. I've been to plane wrecks like that and the people are usually in just as many pieces as the plane.

@PinInTheAtlas

2 жыл бұрын

You would think so, wouldn't you, but not according to reports! check out the link in the description.

In the 60s and 70s I was in Arizona (raised there actually) there were a number of small aircraft stolen from small airports, to be found later crashed in another part of the state. What would happen, a smuggler would steal and fly very low into Mexico where they would load the plane with drugs and sneak back across the border to a predetermined location, dry lake wide dirt road and land/crash land unload and beat feet. Often the aircraft the aircraft would be set on fire. Cowboys down there always went armed because you never what you were going to run into. P.S. Long way to go for target practice

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Wow that is incredible Roger, thanks for sharing. We think someone went to a lot a trouble to keep this tall tale alive. However another viewer sent us this link with more info about the crash. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

@billg7205

3 жыл бұрын

If Colton Harris Moore had been a bit smarter, he could have made some money and stayed on the run doing this.

By looking at the engine controls, the engine nacelle on one of the wings and the design of what was left of the cabin, I say you possibly have a Piper PA-30 Twin Comanche.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Here is a link that another viewer sent to us with some more detailed information on the crash. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

6 seat twin piston engines low wing known for being a good load carriering abiliry

@PinInTheAtlas

Жыл бұрын

Probably why they used this type to carry their illegal cargo! Thanks for the info David.

Cool

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Dave. Glad you enjoyed it.

8:13 is a leading edge of a wing. 9:36.. Empty weight of whole aircraft is about 2,800#. Light for the size. 10:27 is control cable pulley guides. 13:30 another cable pulley/guide// Plane was wire controlled for surfaces (wing&tail) !2:10 It was a low wing twin engine. 13:03.. are there any prefixes before the stamped numbers.. 3693? PA23.. PA27... Piper always had a P prefix to start that I know of 14:20 the switches is the cockpit area... PA27 was a larger 6 seat plane. Early ones were called 'Apache', later to Aztec in late 60's/70's.. First produced in early 1950's. 17:17... Aileron... and flaps on the wing 19:23 most likely part of cabin or nose area... hard to tell with such small pieces. The site from what I saw is pretty picked over... Most crashes like that only engines can be identified. If busted up bad wouldn't have been salvaged and pieces of engines would have been still around debris field. We have a lot of military crash sites within 25 mile radius here... I'll send a link for military crash sites. I'll get back to you... Pop is an FAA crash investigator I'll run video past him.

@desertdawg3409

3 жыл бұрын

My Bad... I was incorrect on model I believe it was a Piper PA32 'Cherokee 6' in Wellington NV... Not shot down or any survivors. Only crash in that area and time period of a Piper was December 28, 1968 - 38 28N 119 07W - Piper PA 32 - N4115R Blue/White - 3 Fatalities - Recovered 6/69.. You can research more from there.. aviation-safety.net/wikibase/13740 True, was a single engine.. The windows is what threw me off... Easier looking at whole plane than pieces..

Agree with James Parker

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Hi John, here is a link about the site someone sent us. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

This was a Twin not a Single...

my bad pre 80s piper!!

It was an Apache and it had MetcoAire Tip tanks for extra range @ 2:46 minute mark. Someone carefully unscrewed the nav light and fuel filler caps from that part. At 10:02 they were looking at an exhaust augmentor tube that was under the wings behind the engines. Aztecs did not have those. The storm window @6:01 is hinged at front unlike the Aztec which had the hinge at the bottom, and the emergency exit window was common to both models. Bullet holes were probably installed after the crash and I seriously doubt anybody survived that crash unless they were using a parachute. At 11:37, you are looking at the right wing and the engine firewall, not the cockpit section. You can see the dark area was the non skid paint for the wing walk area, leading up to the cockpit door. At 12:36 you are looking at the hydraulic power pack that ran the landing gear and flaps. A serial number on that won't matter much. 27-2001 is the aircraft serial number. 13:30, no that is not part of the engine. It is a control cable pulley which would be part of the aileron, rudder or elevator or stabilator control system. 18:00, you got the left flap correct. 18:30 is a Fram engine air inlet filter. The fiberglass was from the nose section.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for all of that information. We were sent this link by another viewer with more information about this crash if you are interested. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

@i.r.wayright1457

3 жыл бұрын

@@PinInTheAtlas I would still like to know how anybody survived a crash that violent and torn up. But, the Aztec has a steel tube frame under the fuselage skin, so in that regard it is somewhat like a race car roll cage. BTW, there is a story about a couple of guys who were flying in Alaska in a Piper Super Cub. They crashed and survived, but were pinned inside the wreckage when their feet were trapped by the collapsing steel tube structure. Then, the grizzlys came by and had them for lunch. Guns were stored where they could not reach them.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

@@i.r.wayright1457 It's always so amazing when people "walk away" from horrific accidents. And those people in Alaska - it just wasn't their day!

Definitely a lot more of a desert forest, maybe I should also say a dry forest. Seeing as there are no tree's not even Joshua Tree's.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

It always seems strange to us too, Kirk, calling something a forest when there are no trees. Not sure if you've seen this link about the crash. One of our viewers sent it to us. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

this airframe apears to be from a Piper Aztec that was built in 2001 and the tube piece is called a Augmenter tube that is part of the Engine exaust. this is a six seat .twin engine aircraft.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Rick, this is a link with more information about this crash that was sent to us. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

If you guys only found one engine there... The plane could have been either above or below the fuselage but from what I saw that fuselage it looked like it was a low wing..... Probably a six-seater long range single engine Piper......

Piper Aircraft we’re low wing aircraft. Based on the pieces presented it was a twin engine. Serial numbers are presented on the passenger side fuselage.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for that info Neil! Another viewer sent us this link with more info about this particular crash it seems. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

@NelloCambelli

3 жыл бұрын

Piper Aztec is well known to me as my dad owned and I “flew” several hours in right seat. Drug runners loved the plane’s cargo capacity.

At first I thought this was a Twin Comanche, but I have to admit the cockpit air control panel appears to be from a Piper Aztec.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Al. Another viewer sent us this link if you are interested. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

SN 27-2001, Piper PA-23-250 Twin engine aircraft, FAA Registration Number: N5001Y. Certification Issued: 1976-08-24. Registration Cancel Date: 1978-01-18. Owner prior to deregistration from Clear Lakes Oaks, CA

Yes does poly wheels are there control line police for Rutters elevators airlines etc.

@PinInTheAtlas

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info Dennis.

im thinking its a 2001 piper saratoga ll tc w/oxygen,regardless of reported date of story,the cabin part tag had a 2001 stamp on it!!!????????

@PinInTheAtlas

2 жыл бұрын

Believe it ended up being a piper aztec Leroy. That was a strange coincidence on that tag!

Oh boy!!

The throttle quadrant with the flap lever is from a Piper twin most likely an Aztec. The wing section has the wing walk and back end of the right engine nacelle. It was a good airplane, if it was used for drugs because it can carry a good load. They should know that Piper made low wing airplanes beginning in the 1960s with the exception of the two place Super Cub. They can go back and look at the Aztec and it’ll make more sense to them.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Arthur. Here is a link we were sent by another viewer with more details on this crash. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

That fuselage pretty sure is a Piper Azetc (older PA27)... Twin engine loved by runners.. could carry a ton at 200+ mph... 200+ gallons AvGas. Flight from south of border would have only been couple hour flight. I agree with some others, doubtful if anyone 'walked away'... Ironically, I actually crashed today 6/25/84, 37 years ago today in the water off Jersey coast and mine was torn up less... Kinda eerie looking at another crash site today. Hard crash and debris field that long seems unlikely to be survivable.

@Ogma3bandcamp

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you made it, man.

@desertdawg3409

3 жыл бұрын

My Bad... I believe I was incorrect on model I believe it was a Piper PA32 'Cherokee 6' in Wellington NV... Not shot down or any survivors. Only crash in that area and time period of a Piper was December 28, 1968 - 38 28N 119 07W - Piper PA 32 - N4115R Blue/White - 3 Fatalities - Recovered 6/69.. You can research more from there.. aviation-safety.net/wikibase/13740 True, was a single engine.. The windows is what threw me off... Easier looking at whole plane than pieces..

@desertdawg3409

3 жыл бұрын

I was correct to start... N5001Y crash 12/6/77 the twin engine Piper PA-23-250 Aztec. 2 occupants survived and recovered 10 miles from crash site saying they had a car accident... Were hauling marijuana recovered from crash site.. NTSB says 'fuel starvation' cause of crash.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

@@desertdawg3409 Yes, they did survive, surprisingly. We were sent the link with the same information.

@desertdawg3409

3 жыл бұрын

@@PinInTheAtlas Yea, I had to dig deeper into NTSB archives... looking in wrong decade, 70's. FAA data not always up to date with info over 30-40 years back is lacking.

Maybe the story got intermingled with the guy that crashed a small plane in the Sierras and walked into a coffee shop in Olancha

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Stories always get embellished over time. However, one of our viewers did send us this link joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

I have a hard time believing that anyone could have walked away from that. Wonder why there's no engine? Where are the rest of the pieces? Tires? Rims? Tail section? Lots of unanswered questions. How come nobody scrapped it out? A few lbs. of ali-luminia:)Great video! Looking forward to another...Pin in the atlas:) Hope your having fun and staying COOL.

@desertdawg3409

3 жыл бұрын

"How come nobody scrapped it out?".... My guess.. 140 mile round trip to nearest town to possibly sell scrap... in the desert... ... too much work for the profit.

@richardbeee

3 жыл бұрын

@@desertdawg3409 It almost looks like it was put there for a story. Over half the fuselage is missing. To many questions for a good answer.

@desertdawg3409

3 жыл бұрын

@@richardbeee I did find it... the 'shoot down' part was a 'legend'... it was fuel starvation by NTSB report. Actually both walked away with injuries and found on a road 10 miles away and taken to Nye hospital... Yes! Very lucky guys!

@richardbeee

3 жыл бұрын

@@desertdawg3409 That makes a little more sense. Thanks.

@desertdawg3409

3 жыл бұрын

@@richardbeee Still remarkable for the length of the debris field. I've seen smaller fields and much, much more loss. Flying into a mountain, even slowly with dead engines is gonna be a Pucker Factor 10! Just my guess without directions N/S... he was flying 'uphill' ripping tail off at base first and heavier fuselage was highest up hill.

Im like everyone else in this post that believes no one survived this crash! Interesting look at whats left though, thanks!

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

We thought the same, however, apparently the two did survive and they were drug runners by all accounts. Although the story has been embellished over the years. Here is a link someone sent us. Makes an interesting read. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

@soonerjhtravels

3 жыл бұрын

@@PinInTheAtlas wow! thanks so much for the link! that is really an incredible story and they were very fortunate to have survived that!

I wouldn't be grabbing sharp metal pieces bare handed, out in the middle of nowhere, without LEATHER GLOVES. But then I'm a bit cautious. Also would be wary of rattle snakes seeking shade.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your concern, we are cautious and before turning the camera on we did kick and check the pieces for any unwanted cameos! Here is a link we were sent about this crash if you are interested. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

It's an interesting video but fraught with inaccuracies. You should have brought someone along who understands aircraft and their various components. The aircraft you found, and based upon the serial number you found, was a Piper Aztec 250....Also, as one comment noted, you need to be more careful in remote areas with regard to rattle snakes under such things as wrecked aircraft components. Here are the details of the aircraft found as noted in FAA records of the serial number: PIPER PA-23-250 MCCULLOUGH DAVID J PO BOX 205 CLEAR LAKE OAKS, CA 95423

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

With time, stories get exaggerated as you know, Jeffrey. Here is a link about this particular site that one of our viewers sent us. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/ Prior to our explores, we do check for rattlesnakes and other things which may bite or sting. We just don't show all that on camera. But thank you for your concern.

Serial numbers usually date the parts manufacturer date. Looks like its a part from 2001

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Apparently, it was a 1977 plane. the story has obviously been enhanced over the years, but here is a link which one of our viewers sent. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

Looks to be very clean and lacking rust I would expect for plane parts being out in the desert elements for 50+ years...

@PinInTheAtlas

2 жыл бұрын

You would think so Chris. But the desert climate seems to preserve things better. One of our viewers sent us this link. Interesting read. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

What people will do for drugs and money. They must have got greedy that was the end for them. Lol great video guys very interesting.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Paula it is crazy isn't it. Here is the link we were sent about this particular plane crash. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

exhaust augmenter tubes

Doubt there were any survivors, or that it was shot down.

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Apparently, it was not shot down, just part of the story that has been exaggerated through the years, but they did survive. Here is the link joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/

Looks like someone already solved the problem but thanks for the video. You would be amazed how many plane crash sites there are around the country. Glad a Bigfoot or an M cave didn't get you lol have a great week.............

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

We have been hearing about several crashes from other viewers around in the western mountains. We have been to another one but only a handful of pieces remained. That M cave seems to be getting pretty popular again, seeing it everywhere! Glad you enjoyed the video!

Those long round pipes are for night time eliminations military use to look at crash sites

@PinInTheAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

Oh wow, thanks for the info, Stephen. He's a link about the site. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/