Lothraxion could still be a spy for Denathrius, but I also like the theory that he's the snitch. That he truly converted to the Light and told the Naaru about Denathrius' infiltration plan. This led to the Light's incursion on Revendreth.

@mikecoble2001

3 жыл бұрын

Or maybe that too was planned

I guess the Dreadlord loyalty to the Burning Legion is irrelevant in the grand scheme if their purpose is to weaken all the other cosmic powers for Denathrius.

@mattedmands2085

3 жыл бұрын

they never were actually loyal to the burning legion they have always served death

@DrGreatScott

3 жыл бұрын

@@mattedmands2085 Right, that's the point I'm making. Their allegiances to any other faction are moot in the grand scheme. Any Nathreziem saying "I serve the Legion" is really part of the bigger ploy. Their entire purpose is to weaken the other realms. My wording is a bit weird, but it's meant reflectively.

Just as I was looking for a bed time video. Nice

@matthewmassa1371

3 жыл бұрын

I legit do the same thing

@Looge

3 жыл бұрын

@@matthewmassa1371 actually same

@robertfugate2232

3 жыл бұрын

Same swear lol

@lifeisoverated81

3 жыл бұрын

Same

@lifeisoverated81

3 жыл бұрын

@The Mad Hatter I'll simp for undisputed king of World of Warcraft lore any day.

Man , I so vividly remember HOW FRIKKIN COOL the army of the light revelation was during the defense of the netherlight temple.... THE ONLY reason I did the campaign again on my Paladin - just to see this awesome moment for a second time.

@EricDrinksWater

3 жыл бұрын

And the audio drama on iTunes was so good too

Ahh yes, Legion. The last expansion I have played, good times.

@Aliexei

3 жыл бұрын

Good thing you stoped there

My headcanon was that Lothraxion willingly told the Light about Denathrius's plans, and that's how they knew to retaliate against Revendreth and create the Ember Ward. How else would he still be in the Army of the Light if Denathrius's plans to infiltrate the Light were discovered?

My policy always has been: "Never trust a Demon".

@Kylora2112

3 жыл бұрын

They're not demons, though >.>

@bastianeis9939

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kylora2112 Dont Trust anything with Wings :D

@RoxLOL

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kylora2112 Well, the fel infused ones are, like Varimathras

@deathknight3252

2 ай бұрын

@@RoxLOL kinda sad we never seen varimathras as ally after he was sent back argues but a broken dreadlord

15:37 it’s hilarious how Turalyon is standing at first, and then when Nobbel says “Turalyon sits” he suddenly acknowledges the command and, like a good boy that he is, takes a seat.

@mihaid4954

3 жыл бұрын

Ayyyyy, @Nobbel thanks for the heart and for the great content you put up! Much love

You ever see lothraxion and calia menethil in the same room? 🤔🤔

@Dremag_Gaming

3 жыл бұрын

Of course... and I bet he's plotting with Jania as well..

@ContemporaryCompendium

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dremag_Gaming who's a dreadlord.

@madtitan4892

3 жыл бұрын

We saw both of them in Netherlight temple lol

15:35 Nobbel: Turalyon sits Turalyon: *sits*

Was farming rep with the Light army and I was like Wonder if nobbel have a video of lothraxion and The very same day

I think Lothraxion is the very reason why Light's attacked Revendreth. He's been found to be a bit shifty, out of control, so an abomination in that sense. Nathrezim's known to stage events to build trust towards the sides they're trying to infiltrate (Lothraxion killing Balnazzar in Netherlight, Varimathras killing dreadlords for Sylvanas, etc..) so it's obvious when you watch these events in that light. Shit'll hit the fan either when he finds the chance to deal a devastating blow or when Light finds out he's still alive.

What about that one dreadlord in the demon hunter order hall that is possessed by a demon hunter?

@Kylora2112

3 жыл бұрын

Rakh'likh is just a mid-tier lackey Nathrezim.

@zimattack9994

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kylora2112 but he'd still have some knowledge of his origin and the demon hunter was in control and had access to his memory and knowledge?

@Kylora2112

3 жыл бұрын

@@zimattack9994 It all depends on what information Rakh'likh was privy to. If a demon hunter possessed say, Balnazaar or Mal'ganis, things might be different. But Loramus probably has the equivalent of the truck driver when it comes to finding out the formula for Coca-Cola.

Oh man... nobbel noble light being voice is... chills... CHILLS!! Lol

Wasn't it that the light can see the final destination, but cannot see the path that will be taken to get there. While the void can see every path, but cannot see the final destination. So if the light saw an endpoint that Illidan would become a being of light to defeat the burning legion. That would mean we haven't seen the last of the burning legion, or maybe the burning legion was misinterpreted. We haven't seen the high fel entities yet. Given that Eredar is on the mortal plane of things and Sargeras is on the order side of things meaning there was something on the far side before he formed the burning legion.

@mokarokas-1727

3 жыл бұрын

No, the way it's phrased is that the Void can see all possibilities and hold them all to be equally true, while the Light can only see one possible truth. More or less. Being a creature of Light doesn't make you infallible. Door's open on Fel, of course. Door's open on anything really, since they don't care how many retcons they have to wade through to write a story they feel is cool.

@clogs4956

3 жыл бұрын

Moorcock influences: Chaos contains all possibilities, but Law allows only one. The former is entropy, the latter is stagnation, and both lead to the end of all things. It is only when they are in balance (there is a literal Balance in Moorcock’s mythos) that the cycle of life and death continues. There’s mythology and philosophy behind this, but I’m not going to lecture... Pay attention to the other Moorcock, specifically Elric, tropes. We now have two soul-sucking mournblades (as per Mournblade and Stormbringer), souls split into separate chaotic and lawful entities, and our toons are The Eternal Champion(s). This all begs extra questions about Lothraxian, such as is he the deliberately created lawful half of a split Nathrazim and, if he is, who is his counterpart? PS. Locus Walker tricks Alleria into becoming Void. Given she’s the other half, as we say, of Turallion hm?

1:15 excuse me, where can I watch this video here in full? Seems really nice and epic and full of lore :D

I hope we at least will have 1 good dreadlord, it would be such a lame 'twist' if he was the agent of death

@DaDunge

3 жыл бұрын

Only way I will buy that is if the armies of light knew all along and have been manipulating the manipulator. I mean who completely trusts a dreadlord?

Love your videos!!

Lothraxian was the coolest character in legion and I really wanted to see more of him

The Light being arrogant and punished for it several times while the edgelords of death being as much arrogant but instead having things perfectly their way seems kind of biased as storytelling goes, yet Blizz has rarely been able to drive away from their personal bias at the cost of characterization. Imo the best way to give somethign to both sides is to have Lothraxion be a double agent but more than The Light it is his boundaries with Alleria and Turalyon who will make him question his original scope, "In The Light we are one" was a truly nice phrase by Maraad poor soul and having Lothraxion better understand what Turalyon and Alleria fight for and to change his heart because of it is enough "Dysneian" to be brought in WoW imo if written in a better whay than I did now xD

So do ya think someday theyll make an expansion where my heart of azeroth can be used as a flashlight or something?

The one thing I am constantly confused by.... is that "if" this infiltration scheme was their intention all along.... then all these times when a nathrezim was defeated by somebody...did they know they were going to lose? Are they always pretending to be angry at losing? Whether that be Balnazzar, or Tichondrius, or Mal'Ganis, or Detheroc, or Varimathras...? Some of these times they lost, they were losing to somebody who was already serving Death supposedly... like Arthas and Sylvanas; so how does that work? And why would Varimathras warn us about Sylvanas if Varimathras serves the jailer?

@stephendlabick

3 жыл бұрын

I think Varimathras simply didn’t trust her intentions. He might’ve known she was working for the jailer, but he probably assumed she would betray him (they’re hinting at her having doubts) so he warned us about her to take her out of the picture for him. Just a guess

@ravenssorrow

3 жыл бұрын

I see their loss as more of a setback. Yea it sucks but they don't really die being from the shadowlands. Also I doubt Arthas/lich king is on the side of death. Look at bolvar he brought us in to help. Arthas attacked us to bring us to northrend to turn us into an army. I'm assuming they'll twist this to say he wanted us to stop things like Yogg from invading the shadowlands. Why would Varamathras say anything? To start a war. he tries to being legion on, fails. Legion fails and his dying words are "sylvanas sucks". Her contact with the jailer didn't happen until after V died in wrath. Maybe he don't know and just stirred the pot. Maybe he did know and was gloating. Either way sounds about right.

@stephendlabick

3 жыл бұрын

@@ravenssorrow not a bad explanation 👏🏼 regardless of the answer this is some of the best writing Blizz has done in a while, I’m actually really excited to see what comes of all this nathrezim shenanigans

@ravenssorrow

3 жыл бұрын

Also note that of course this is Blizzard expanding lore that didn't exist when these characters were made. So of course there are wierd bits. I mean they were fine characters as just legion spies. However making them more gives us another villain without the need for a retcon and still preserves their actions.

@laertesindeed

3 жыл бұрын

@@ravenssorrow I just worry that this story trope of theirs is turning into an irrefutable unreliable narrator thing. And by irrefutable, here...I don't mean irrefutable in that it's true...but irrefutable in that we are not allowed to refute it with any true intentions or reactions in any step of the story anywhere along the way that we read or processed beforehand.

One of the problems I have with the Light being "routed" is that the Light is still in Revendreth. It still burns the Ember Ward. Creatures of the Light still form there. It seems more likely that the forces of the Light simply left.

Watching this video, I just noticed that the friendly army of the light npcs that show up around 5:36 are called Imperial Juggernauts...I wonder how many other little lore clues Blizz has quietly dropped about the structure of the light realm...

The only thing I want is for Blizzard to include some special lines of dialogue for the Highlord meeting up with Lothraxion.

I really don’t like how weak blizzard portrays the light to be especially now in recent years. The void gods were supposedly “jealous” of it’s unfathomable absolute all pervasive power. At least at one point that was the story. Or have they retconned that too now smh

It's amazing how some are still willing to trust these creatures.

Has anyone noticed there's a divide already within the Light? When we first met Xe'ra and the Light Mother who are supposed to be the leaders it makes them seem like zealots who want to force the Lights influence across the universe. But in Revendreth that didn't seem to be the case, the Naaru there tells us they invaded just to teach a lesson and dipped. No subjugating, no spreading influence, just doing their job.

@stormstrider1990

3 жыл бұрын

Clearly, the Naaru are not as united as we thought. Remember who sent us to kill Illidan in the first place? A'dal, the Naaru in charge of Shattrath. He saw Illidan as a threat, where as X'era saw him as the chosen one. It could be another retcon, but I believe it's a sign of disagreement within the domain of Light. That would mean there are also beings of the Light that don't agree with Xe'ra and the Light Mother's zealotry.

@mokarokas-1727

3 жыл бұрын

Xe'ra and the "Light Mother" are the same entity, right?

@justinb7494

3 жыл бұрын

@@mokarokas-1727 Possibly. The one on Alternate Draenor leading Yrel and her Lightbound could just be Alternate Xe'ra since they both use the same title.

@slaaneshshewhothirst9136

Жыл бұрын

I think all forces have shown a divide between two or more forces. The Void doesn’t seem that united, As we saw in Shadowlands Death has been in a power struggle between the forces of Zoval and the forces of the united covenants, Order had a massive fallout with them having the imprison Sargeras, chaos/fell was never truly united under the burning legion ( Some Shivarra joining Illidan and the demon hunter) and are probably fighting each other since the death of all/most of the burning legion leadership, nature doesn’t seem that united either… Like in real life, I don’t think it will be possible to unite any forces for good. The shadowlands are the closest for now but with the new arbiter not sending anyone to the maw, some of the Covenants might feel like they have too much responsibility or not Enough. Most of the souls that would be sent to the maw will probably be sent to Revendreth, where they’ll have to rebuild their number more than Ardenweald and Bastion (maybe more than Maldraxus too since Sindane joined the forces loyal to Maldraxus in the covenant campaign) since they’ve been in a long civil war which had a large part of the population join Denatrius.

Oh shit if Xalatath is the dreadlord within the Void would be very interesting I would love it

what about tichondrius anetheron mephistroth dalvengyr balnazzar varimathras and all other burning legion dreadlords are they spies secretly for denathrius.

@Nobbel87

6 ай бұрын

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WoW lore used to be great in that it was simple. Heavily influenced from Tolkien and fantasy archetypes. Now its a cosmic horror spaghetti flop.

@lightfaster

3 жыл бұрын

They still drawing from Tolkien a fair bit. Unfortunately it's the evil vs good when it comes to morality... pretty boring imo. The problem with the lore for the longest time is rather than expand on what they have they chop and change, Shoehorn bits in everywhere and retcon, retcon, retcon! This has changed the lore to becoming confusing and generic. Rule of cool does not equal engaging timeless sagas.

@r0mul0of

3 жыл бұрын

I don't see cosmic horror as the problem, since the old gods were there from the beginning. The part of the wow lore that dread me the most is the Supernatural show like progression. "We beat this bad guy with major consequences. Look! Now there's a guy even worse to fight! Quickly, let's use the power of friendship!"

Since Legion, every time I walk by Lothraxion in my class hall I tell him to get out!

Dreadlords of the Light. Interesting.

amazing

I hope when shadowlands ends i hope you make an explanition to the expo tho

Elune's a Dreadlord just like Jaina

Is there any hope for a Varimathras return?

@navyflyboy07

3 жыл бұрын

He returned in Legion

@mokarokas-1727

3 жыл бұрын

No - since he was a demon and was killed on Argus, he's gone for food. Unless they retcon again. :D

More lore 🤤🤤🤤

He sounds like head captain Yamamoto

I can't stop seeing a sudden betrayal within the Jailer's forces. I can't pinpoint from which end, how it will start, but I can foresee a huge invasion from the Burning Legion into the Maw, bolstering the Legion's forces with the Jailer's, him getting betrayed, and leaving the rest of the Shadowlands very vulnerable to the Legion's corruption. Without Sargeras, the Legion is free of his leadership and ties to the Fel and the Titan worlds limitation. It's obvious to me. Not sure why and how, but it just feels like it'd be predictable.

@mokarokas-1727

3 жыл бұрын

But the Burning Legion is kinda down for the count, and leaderless... Aside from Sargeras, Kil'jaeden and Archimonde, most of the established leadership were dreadlords to begin with.

The void could see a thousand truth

Glory to the light

I love too see it

Illidan will come back in a future exp and in light mode. she wasn't wrong, she predicted a future expansion.

@daboy8107

Жыл бұрын

Naw

@slaaneshshewhothirst9136

Жыл бұрын

Please no, they made him into a good guy on legion but he really wasn’t. His acts in Outland just showed us how cruel and ruthless he is… he also has no real reason to leave his watch on Sargeras, he said it himself “a hunter is nothing without the hunt” so I doubt he would have a good enough reason to leave his watch on Sargera. There is also the fact that the Titans are not being of light, but order. Meaning that unless there’s a light entity powerful enough who passes by the seat of the pantheon, nothing will be able to infuse Illidan with light.

But the light could only see one

What I noticed a while ago with Lothraxion, it might be nothing is the following quote when you poke him: "The Army will come." Which is peculiar considering he call the army in a different quote, specifically the "Light's Army". Again might be nothing, but maybe the army of Natherzim will come, or the army of death or w/e. I went in on the PTR after doing some of the questlines to see if he maybe got different quotes added, but that didn't seem the case at least :).

truth be told it's going to be really boring if he's another dreadlord infiltrator. Seriously the army of light got to have considered that. Good should not equal stupid.

@maggimaster

3 жыл бұрын

The light is not good

@DaDunge

3 жыл бұрын

@@maggimaster It's fundamentally opposed to the shadow which is far more evil.

@GradyGibson

3 жыл бұрын

@@DaDunge is the shadow/void evil when it’s just behaving as it’s naturally suppose to? Is the light good when it is blindly following its own protocols? As humans we can appreciate titan order, but if we were more chaotic by nature they would be the bad guys in our own view

@lenkagamine4145

2 жыл бұрын

@@GradyGibson Not at all, humans perception of good and bad is often at odds with our natures, and its absurd to suppose that anything acting 'according to its nature' is automatically morally ok. Take your moral relativism elsewhere.

I really hate how the story is going. It's all this Xanatos Gambit within a Xanatos Gambit and it's just awful, because it makes no sense because somehow EVERY loss was planned from the start. Everything is "going to plan" no matter what happens. This is not good writing...like, we get a Dreadlord but he's a good guy, but syke! Actually evil this whole time....maybe, but it's all going to plan anyway so, whatever.

@mokarokas-1727

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, not much in the way of stakes in the story anymore. I mean, look at BFA: the all-out "forth war" between the Alliance and Horde, with queen Azshara finally unleashed and an Old God rising on top of that, yet not much really happened. Teldrassil and Undercity were destroyed in the pre-patch, but apart from that? We're all fine. :D The Horde-Alliance conflict spanning the Cataclysm and Mists of Pandaria was way more intense. Also, apparently all Old Gods are gone now, even though we didn't even kill the others in the first place? And the one we DID kill wasn't physically present on Azeroth as he should've been? What? And we're not going to get answers either, because leaving everything open and unanswered means they can do whatever they want with it later, no need to follow established lore, characters beings good/evil included! :D

@Rpground

3 жыл бұрын

@@mokarokas-1727 Gotta have backdoors so they can retcon everything into oblivion.

@EricDrinksWater

3 жыл бұрын

@@mokarokas-1727 the old god stuff should have been the theme and the horde vs alliance bullshit should have just been 1 patch

@AndreOfficial217

3 жыл бұрын

@@EricDrinksWater I reckon that at end of shadowlands end void lords come ripping realities to fight the jailer over azeroth

Turalyon to me doesn't really seem to be the kind of guy who would just do what the light tells him. Heck he became lothar's lieutenant because he was more practical than he was a paragon of the light.

@kaneslives

3 жыл бұрын

What makes you think the Light would give him a choice?

@apacalypsagon3758

3 жыл бұрын

@@kaneslives man the light can do anything besides talk up a big game. If they were as bad then they'd be as active as the old gods or void lords.

@kaneslives

3 жыл бұрын

@@apacalypsagon3758 uh...(points to alt dreanor) Don’t get me wrong I hate the fact that the alternate Mag’har joined the horde instead of the rest of the Mag’har left in Outland.

@stephendlabick

3 жыл бұрын

@@apacalypsagon3758 but the light is active in its own ways. Ever play through the scenario to unlock the mag’har orc? The light wants absolute control, and will do what it can to attain it

@apacalypsagon3758

3 жыл бұрын

@@kaneslives i find that to be mostly out of the draenai's own volition if anything. Its not like the void where where they whisper to you and drive you mad into commiting acts of violence.

If it is a demon do not trust it. Ever.

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I still think Illidan will eventually turn to light and become the biggest hope of the story, “the chosen one”, and the light path will turn out to be the one truth, to the point of turning this dreadlord from Death to Light. The light has not forgotten us!

@ProfPuffOfficial

3 жыл бұрын

*cough* Argent Dawn *cough*

@iriswaldenburger2315

3 жыл бұрын

How boring would Kerrigan 2.0 be?!??!

@EricDrinksWater

3 жыл бұрын

True Xera saw the end of the story, not how it played out. In the audio drama, she couldn’t see the path ever, only the destination.

This is the 41 comments.

Really, is like a Demon found Jesus.

I think he's a dirty double agent

@anisarahmat8529

2 жыл бұрын

Lol Lothraxion that's not an agent of Denathrius. Not all dreadlords are evil. Just like humans.

hihih

I dont think he can betray light even if he initially maybe wanted to. Light doesnt just give people power, which corrupts them, power must be earned and can leave at any time. Also mind wiping.... Illidan might in the future fight the shadow.

Hey nobbel! Do you think that Denathrius planned this all along to escape the Jailer's influence? I mean, he could have killed us freely at any moment during leveling or in the Castle before we killed all of his lieutenants. Maybe he was scared of what may happen to him and revendreth looking at how close they are to the Maw.

@laertesindeed

3 жыл бұрын

Why would Denathrius tell his specially created son Renathal that he needs to serve Death if he doesn't serve Death?

He is a traitor!!!!

Spoiler incoming: We know that the Primus designed the Helm of the Dammed and Frostmourne, what if he decided to find a way to control domination magic as the Maw existed at the same time as the other realms, but then when he showed it to the First-Ones they decided that wielding Domination Magic was far too dangerous for anyone, so they ordered him to hide the plans in a memory