I've got to say, Gravity as a Willful act of Love is incredibly enticing on many levels. An elegant solution.

@amanitamuscaria7500

4 ай бұрын

I liked it too

@rogerphelps9939

Ай бұрын

No. igt is total bollocks.

The confusion is with static fields. In special relativity, uniform motion is indistinguishable from zero motion. Therefore a static (unchanging) field appears to move through space with its source. There is no propagation delay unless the source accelerates relative to the observer. To a first approximation, Earth, Moon, and Sun accelerate around the Milky Way together. The gravitational influence of other planets in our Solar System is negligible to first order, but there are minor higher order effects. The Sun actually wobbles about the barycenter of the solar system, which is still inside the Sun. Similarly, Earth and Moon orbit their common center of mass, which is inside the Earth. To a first approximation, from the Earth-Moon system's perspective, the Sun does not appear to accelerate about the Milky Way. The Earth-Moon system appears to accelerate about a static gravitational source-the Sun. The same situation applies to electric fields. An accelerating charge produces EM radiation, but a uniformly moving charge does not. If an observer accelerates together with a charge, that observer will not detect the emission of EM radiation. However, other observers will detect different amounts of EM radiation depending on their acceleration relative to the charge. In quantum field theory, observers with higher accelerations actually perceive the quantum vacuum to be more energetic. It is called the Unruh effect. A variation, called the circular Unruh effect, may actually be what causes a newly formed proton-antiproton pair to gain their masses. The strong force may actually originate as gravitation. For details, see "Ground state quantum vortex proton model" published in Foundations of Physics on January 23, 2023.

@Thermiable

4 ай бұрын

are there experiments that prove this?

@amanitamuscaria7500

4 ай бұрын

that does help, thank you.

@rogerphelps9939

Ай бұрын

Unruh has not been seen.

@JeffMTX

23 күн бұрын

That’s good stuff

@mezsmith

15 сағат бұрын

So what are you saying 😂

With the LIGO and Virgo detectors we have measured the speed of Gravity Waves. These are ripples in Space Time that propagate at the Speed of Light. The speakers need to specifically define what they mean by the Speed of Gravity if they are not talking about the distortion of Space Time. If a mass is in one spot, its distortion has always been there for us to fall into. Move that mass and the new distortion position will propagate at Light Speed.

@rogerphelps9939

Ай бұрын

Thank goodness for posting facts rather than sensationalist nonsense.

@JohnHoranzy

Ай бұрын

@@rogerphelps9939 The first part was very informative about how early scientists framed their valid observations in terms of religion and spirits. Today we frame those observations in terms of Mathematics,

@jarsen321

2 күн бұрын

You’re still stuck in Einstein’s relativistic world. A wave of what in what? Einstein must do away with the ether but has to invoke properties of ether (waves). We should’ve went back to the drawing board after realizing the missing mass and energy.

@rogerphelps9939

2 күн бұрын

@@jarsen321 EM and other waves are just excitations of fields that can propagate in the vacuum. That is all. It is irreducable.

@jemussi7842

Күн бұрын

@@jarsen321 Agreed. I have found it totally impossible to have a sensible conversation with believers in relativity, big bang etc. All you get is hysterical ad hominem attacks more than with almost any other subject strangely so I no longer bother to try to get them to take another look. It's a scientism cult. I like the way he trys to claim the higher ground by claiming they have facts on their side rather than the theory it actually is. The observations by the outlandishly expensive LIGO experiment according to some could have been produced by non-relativistic phenomena.

I love Rupert's dulcet tones and the gravity of his thoughts on science and men.

What i like about Rupert is he can explain science in a way even i can understand as well as being open minded to new understandings of reality Kudos

@amanitamuscaria7500

4 ай бұрын

indeed. Me too.

A conversation on consciousness and electromagnetism? Yes please. Yes, yes, yes please.

@mkaz3997

4 ай бұрын

Electric universe?

How Sheldrake put gravity, electricity and magnetism to the holy trinity was some sort of mindblow moment for me. Very fascinating discussion. Thanks for that.

@JeffMTX

23 күн бұрын

How about mass, energy, and information?

@user-ku7bt4ge9b

13 күн бұрын

👍 Isn't that stating the same using different words..? ​@@JeffMTX

@JeffMTX

13 күн бұрын

@@user-ku7bt4ge9b no. Consider the fundamental quantitative units of each. When you study the mechanics of all three independently, you discover lots of shared math.

i read the old paper, pretty interesting, but google is telling me that theyve measured the speed of gravity very precisely and it's 99.999% the same speed as light. I really really really want to see you debate all the mainstream scientists on these issues Rupert!

@amanitamuscaria7500

4 ай бұрын

I bet they won't do it.

@rogerphelps9939

Ай бұрын

Sheldrake has been thoroughly discredited. Why should a serious scientist waste time debating with tis man. Would you debate with a flat Earther?

@TylerClibbon

Ай бұрын

@@rogerphelps9939 Of course I would, the "backfire effect" failed to replicate, therefore there is no scientific basis to claim that arguing with conspiracy theorists makes them more convinced of their theory.

@johnbuurman

Ай бұрын

exactly , if the speed of gravity is almost exactly the speed of light, one could think gravitational force particles(gravitons), can not travel faster as light, probably they have mass, if gravity is faster than light, one might think it's not a force based on force bearing particles but an effect of mass bending spacetime, einstein's never been proven wrong, so I would very much like to see a detailed research on the speed of gravitational waves!

Amazing conversation thanks, it makes a lot of sense to me

Wow, van Flandern's observation about how gravity when instantaneous results in the correct solar system motions is very interesting. My guess is that all forces in physics are Casimir effects, which as I understand it is a result of cancelling out certain wavelengths in the vacuum energy, and in its basic form is an instantaneous action. Even morphic fields and dark matter are vacuum energy structured by the Casimir effect I believe, maybe on tiny subatomic scales that we can't measure yet.

@jonathanhockey9943

4 ай бұрын

Sounds like Ray Flemmings suggestion also. I think a full relational account of space-time as a network may help or be another possibility and may even be connected to this approach, as the Casimir effect may be all that is left in a pure relational account

@rogerphelps9939

Ай бұрын

You are spouting rubbish.

@Anders01

Ай бұрын

@@rogerphelps9939 So you believe more in superstrings in umpteenth dimensions and Einstein's relativity? Take a look at Occam's razor.

Hello Rupert and Mark. I read Flanders' paper when it came out and he was quite an interesting scientist. Since you referenced Aristotle, the speed of gravity, and space-time, I can't resist challenging both of you (and those enjoying this dialogue) with what Aristotle said about time. Aristotle's analysis was that time does not exist as part of the physical universe. Only motion and resulting change are real. He argues that it is in fact no more than a kind of counting or measurement we make by comparing the change or motion of one thing to the change or motion of another. On this analysis, time is no more fundamentally part of the universe than any of our other enumerations or measurements are. For example, if I count two sheep there is no number "2" in them. If I measure you and you are 70 inches tall, there are no inches in you. If I say it took me 10 minutes to write this post, there are no minutes in the post. In all these cases we would be guilty of reifying an abstraction and thereby thinking it had some ontological reality independent of our conceiving of it, or of our using it. There is quite a bit more to this framework and I have spent a considerable "time" exploring it. But the important thing here is that either one sticks to evidence and reasoning or one does not. It was the history of confusion and fuzziness about the definition and nature of time that indicated there may be a fundamental error about it. If only motion and change (which is the result of motion) are real, then concepts like space-time are flawed from the start. I have found that few people are able to follow Aristotle on this or to understand the ramifications. Not many seem even curious, willing or perhaps able to discuss it.

@ShiverHinge

4 ай бұрын

We have this bad habit of understanding ours names for everything better than everything itself.

@morphixnm

4 ай бұрын

@@ShiverHinge I like how you said that!

@GlenLake

4 ай бұрын

What I feel Aristotle is saying is that man cannot know the TRUTH because he perceives with limited senses. Plato's cave analogy comes to mind. Time may be an artifact or illusion of our consciousness. And there may be other artifacts or illusions that we are not privy to. What are we to do with these incredibly limited faculties we posses? The answer is simple. Do what you love. Sorry if this reply is a bit tangential to your original post but I love to do that.

@adriandillon7761

4 ай бұрын

Aristotle's interpretation of time always seemed to me to be the case, but I thought I must be missing something by thinking that way. I'll have to read up on it.

@adriandillon7761

4 ай бұрын

​@@GlenLakeYes, the human animal, like any other animal, perceives with limited senses. We all have our Umwelt, our perception of reality based on the abilities and limitations of our senses. Ed Yong offers a fascinating explanation of this in his book An Immense World.

🎶"Levity......is working with me...... Levity........wants to scrape me off the floor......🎶 John Mayer (I may have gotten the lyrics twisted)

The speed of Gravity? But What is gravity in the first place, since is not a force. Are we talking about gravity and not about gravity waves?

@ciprianman

3 ай бұрын

That's what I started wondering about as soon as the conversation started. We have the speed of gravity waves, isn't that the same thing as the speed of gravity?

@user-ku7bt4ge9b

13 күн бұрын

​@@ciprianmanThey're talking about the speed of gravity itself as I understand it. Gravity waves are disturbances, a bit like for example lenses can cause disturbances in light as it travels, so there can be disturbances in gravity as it travels (caused by colliding black holes for example).

Radiation is entropy, gravity is love.-Buckminster Fuller.

@amanitamuscaria7500

4 ай бұрын

oh that's wonderful

Interesting analogy! Comparing gravitational waves to the "Peng Jin" (or "Peng Energy") of the cosmos is a creative way to bridge the scientific and the spiritual perspectives. In the context of traditional Chinese martial arts and philosophy, Peng Jin refers to a subtle, expansive, and yielding energy that is considered the foundation of many techniques. It is often described as the "mother" energy from which other energies arise. Drawing this parallel, we could view gravitational waves as the fundamental, all-pervasive energetic underpinning of the cosmos - the "mother" vibrations from which all other cosmic phenomena emerge and are shaped. Just as practitioners of Tai Chi seek to align themselves with and harness the Peng Jin energy, we could say that the study of gravitational waves allows us to attune to the most primal rhythms and flows of the universe itself. They represent the basic fabric and pulse of spacetime, much like how Peng Jin is seen as the wellspring of vital energy in Eastern philosophy. This analogy suggests a holistic, interconnected view of the physical world and the metaphysical - where the scientifically-observed gravitational waves are manifestations of a deeper, subtler universal current or "life-force." It's an intriguing way to bridge the apparent divide between the empirical and the experiential perspectives on the nature of reality. Overall, the comparison of gravitational waves to the Peng Jin of the cosmos is a thoughtful and poetic way to highlight the foundational, all-permeating qualities of this remarkable physical phenomenon. It speaks to the potential for integration between scientific knowledge and ancient spiritual wisdom.

Great video, great ideas.... thank you. Reminds me of the Bible verse about Jesus: "In Him, all things hold together.."

@user-xz5qi7wq1u

4 ай бұрын

❤

As usual a fascinating conversation that opens your audience to your informed ideas in the meaning and making of our existence

Gravity puts things together. Gravity as love or gravity as the big crash. If levity, dark energy, was greater we'd evaporated into light. Gravity is opposite of levity. Is it light to dark or dark to light? Good vs. Evil or Evil vs. Good? Fascinating and beautiful.

Thank you for this enlightening discussion 😊

that was fascinating. Thank you both. I had never before considered that gravity had a speed! I'm intrigued by the connection between gravity and love. Wonderful chat.

@flyfin108

4 ай бұрын

you know Amanita Dreamer´s channel?

@amanitamuscaria7500

4 ай бұрын

@@flyfin108 yes

@flyfin108

4 ай бұрын

@@amanitamuscaria7500 Sir Roger Penrose also talks about light expiriencing no time, his CCC model is based on it, i cant remember who it was that pointed it out

Up is not a direction in space, it is a pressure in time.

@stevenverrall4527

4 ай бұрын

Yes, gravitation is the spacetime pressure required to confine energy. Most mass energy may actually originate from the circular Unruh effect. For details, see "Ground state quantum vortex proton model" published in Foundations of Physics on January 23, 2023.

@stevenverrall4527

4 ай бұрын

Rick, I took a look at your KZread channel. I admire your philosophy.

If mass warps space time, then why do we observe at every solar eclipse that only the starlight that travels through the solar atmosphere bends around the sun, BUT the light that travels outside / past the solar atmosphere does NOT bend around the sun. OOPS! We just falsified relativity theory. See you next solar eclipse.

If gravity is a warping of time/space then the warping would just be there no? Like the ball on a blanket, once the ball is in place, you don't see the warping travel anymore. If the ball moves, the warping would move in conjuction with it?

@stevenverrall4527

4 ай бұрын

Yes, that is how static fields work. Both gravitational and electric fields possess this property.

Sheldrake ever the quintessential English diplomat didn't mention it here explicitly but he has appeared several times on the Thunderbolts project videos as a guest speaker and clearly doubts big bang theory and relativity. The late Wal Thornhill was working on a model of gravity that sees it as an electromagnetic phenomenon and a dipolar force. This model enabled him to explain away an array of unexplained effects and observation that the standard model cannot. Hopefully someone will collate and continue his important work.

Thought is faster than the speed of light.

@erebology

4 ай бұрын

This is only true when thought is wrong. This is the very definition of a jump to a conclusion by a warped mind.

@Intelligentsia101

4 ай бұрын

​@erebology The observer is the observed. Thought and time are inseparable.

@graysontowler136

4 ай бұрын

@@erebology "Nothing travels faster than the speed of light, with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws." --Douglas Adams

@rogerphelps9939

Ай бұрын

No. The speed of thought is governed by the speed of impulse along nerves which is pretty slow. Never let facts get in the way of nonsense.

I'm eagerly looking forward to the follow-up to this conversation!

The speed of gravity is faster because the cause is already there and doesn’t require ‘processing’. Am invisible closed loop thread runs through all things and is the material that all things are made of. It gives rise to the ‘laws’ of physics. This thread is the morphic field. Gravity is the aggregate effect of connections of this thread.

The trinity analogy is quite compelling

The conversation about consciousness and electromagnetism would be a great follow up to this talk. I look forward to it.

This is what I believe: That we are not pushed from behind by the casual unfolding of historical necessity, but that we are in the grip of an attractor of some sort, which lies ahead of us in time. The view of science is that all processes ultimately run down, but entropy is maximized only in some far, far away future. The idea of entropy makes an assumption that the laws of the space-time continuum are infinitely and linearly extendable into the future. In the spiral time scheme of the timewave this assumption is not made. Rather, final time means passing out of one set of laws that are conditioning existence and into another radically different set of laws. The universe is seen as a series of compartmentalized eras or epochs whose laws are quite different from one another, with transitions from one epoch to another occurring with unexpected suddenness. Time is a topological manifold. It is a surface. Events flow across it like water over land and like water flowing over land, when the land is flat, the water becomes reflective and moves slowly. When the landscape becomes disrupted, the water moves faster and chaotic attractors appear and new kinds of activity emerge and out of that new activity, there comes the new states that define the future. History is the shockwave of eschatology. In other words, we are living in a very unique moment, ten or twenty thousand years long, where an immense transition is happening. The object at the end of and beyond history is the human species fused into eternal tantric union with the superconducting Overmind/UFO. It is that mystery that casts its shadow back through time. All religion, all philosophy, all wars, pogroms, and persecutions happen because people do not get the message right. There is both the forward-flowing casuistry of being, casual determinism, and the interference pattern that is formed against that by the backward-flowing fact of this eschatological hyperobject throwing its shadow across the temporal landscape. First of all, why a descent into novelty rather than an ascent? It was my thing to do as I wanted to do it, and it seemed to me-the way I thought of time was I thought of it like a river. And so I thought of it as flowing toward its lowest level. And I thought of history as a river and Eternity as the ocean. So naturally history flows downhill to reach Eternity. I also like the fact that when the descent in elevation is rapid, the river runs faster, and when the landscape is almost flat, the river broadens out and meanders. So it was to preserve this idea of time as a fluid. The other reason is a mathematical reason. It has to do with the fact that if we have novelty moving downward, then the maximum of novelty is zero. My interpretation of the (end date) is that it is the point at which the ingression into novelty and the degree of interconnectedness of the separate elements that comprise the concrescence will be such that the ontological nature of time itself will be transformed. History will end, and the transcendental object that has been drawing being into ever deeper reflections of itself since the first moments of the existence of the universe will finally be completely concrescent in the three-dimensional space-time continuum. Then the moving image of time will have discovered itself to be eternity. Situations evolve as matter responds to the conditioning of time and space...If you know what is contained in time from its beginning to its end you are somehow no longer in time. Even though you still have a body and still eat and do what you do, you have discovered something that liberated you into a satisfying all-at-oneness. Terence McKenna In the consciousness of eternity, time is not, neither is space. In man’s consciousness there appears so much mercy, so much love, that these have been called time and space. Edgar Cayce

@Axiomatic75

4 ай бұрын

As I read this I started thinking "does this guy think he's Terence Mckenna?". Turns out you don't. Thanks for the quotes.

@amanitamuscaria7500

4 ай бұрын

I was reading that and thinking, this sounds like Terence.....and Lo! Thank you. Cayce also nice.

@chuckheppner4384

4 ай бұрын

You're welcome@@Axiomatic75 Thank you for your kind response.🙏🏻

@chuckheppner4384

4 ай бұрын

You're certainly welcome@@amanitamuscaria7500 Thank you for your kind words. 🙏🏻

This is an incredible discussion.

This is amazing and very important to our understanding of the mechanics of the universe.Thank You !🌞

And what is this "gravity" that you speak of? Can anyone even remotely describe its origin? I guess I'm a bit confused, as i thought we were working our way out of the old paradigms instead of more into them.

According to my favourite dudes, Thunderbolts Project, speed of gravity is near instantaneous.

@Axiomatic75

4 ай бұрын

You mean near infinite? How near? The speed of light? Faster? How much faster? Why not instantaneous?

@NotOrdinaryInGames

4 ай бұрын

@@Axiomatic75 Ask them yourself, mr red pill avatar person.

@flyfin108

4 ай бұрын

and i was living in an assumption that its close to speed of light (as according to LIGO). but ive since moved away from those results i never knew that having it at speed of light would brake all the modeling in our solar system, wonder what guys at ligo think of that

@seditt5146

Ай бұрын

But, as he is with almost everything, that is entirely incorrect. We know how fast it is and its indeed the speed of light.

@seditt5146

Ай бұрын

@@flyfin108 They probably think its BS as it almost surely is. Why would anyone believe otherwise since we have directly measured it with Gravitational waves? RS has a very flamboyant way of being wrong that a lot of pseudoscientist seem to cling to for whatever reason at which point you get fans of other pseudoscientist like Thunderbolt projects latching on to his clearly wrong work in order to try to justify their own wrong work. I would love for all their lunacy to one day all fall into place and force me to eat my words but as time goes on its clearly not going to happen any time soon.

It is so nice to listen to people much smarter than me have a conversation. Thanks for sharing this guys.

@rogerphelps9939

Ай бұрын

Sheldrake is not vert smart but has the knack of convincing people to take him seriously.,

Electromagnetism and its relationship to consciousness would be wonderful. I will stay alert to that dialogue

I wanted to learn some interesting formulas that take speed of gravity into account and all I could find here is gravity as love

This is so terribly eye-opening/mind-opening discussion! Very impressive wide-ranging thought explorations. Thank you thank you very much. Always look forward to your dialogues. This, i found, among the most fascinating.

What about the measurements that prove light and gravity waves appear at the same time from a GRB?

Cosmic Trinity: Gravity Music Levity

During proton pair production, the origin of the strong force may be gravitation. Further, the origin of proton gravitation may be the circular Unruh effect. For details, see "Ground state quantum vortex proton model" published in Foundations of Physics on January 23, 2023.

@valentinmalinov8424

4 ай бұрын

Your guess about the origin of Gravity is correct! Gravity is negligible part of the SNF which stays as a confined energy between atoms and Space. World class Physicist - Evgeni Podkletnov by real experiment found that the speed of Gravity is 64 times faster than Light. (Then he disappear) Details about Gravity can be found in my book - "Theory of Everything in Physics and the Universe"

@rogerphelps9939

Ай бұрын

@@valentinmalinov8424 You have spouted a load of nonsense.

@valentinmalinov8424

Ай бұрын

@@rogerphelps9939 Thank you very much for your information, but I am curios to learn what will be a "Sensible" concept? - The current "Standard Model" which do not know what Space is? Or what Time is? Or what Electromagnetism is? or What Energy is? or what is the Attractive Mechanism in Physics? Or What Energy field is? Or may be is sensible the "Invisible and Undetectable Matter and Force in their sick mind? Please, be kind enough to tell me what is making scene to you?

Anyone commenting before watching, please tell me what happened. The first 19 seconds were enough to blow my mind. Such boredom of genius is almost comic book villian!

@TheWorldTeacher

4 ай бұрын

The so-called "Dalai Lama" is such an acute ignoramus (if not outright DEMONIC). 👿 The fact that so many millions of (even more deluded) persons seem to hang on his every word is evidence of that fact, because a TRUE teacher never has more than a couple of followers, since the truth is very difficult to bear.🤫 The fact that Lhamo Thondup was awarded the Nobel "Peace" Prize - in league with demons such as Barack Obama and other presidents of the United States of America - is further evidence of his WICKED nature (not to mention that he’s an animal-abusing carnist).👺 A GENUINE teacher of Truth (such as Lord Jesus Christ) would be put to death for speaking Truth rather than being lauded by ignorant miscreants.😇 Also, the fact that he once tried to entice a young boy to SUCKLE on his filthy, dog-eating tongue (captured on camera, for all to witness) and then kiss the child directly on the lips, was unsurprising, considering the extent of homosexual behaviour present within Buddhist monasteries, especially in his homeland of Tibet. To hear an ACTUAL spiritual master speak Truth, search for: Avatar Adi Da Samraj Alan Watts Swami Sarvapriyananda Jagadguru Svāmī Vegānanda 🌱

@rogerphelps9939

Ай бұрын

Don't bother. Sheldrake is a vacuous charlatan.

This was also pointed out by Laplace. History of the issue, including a link to the article by T. van Flandern in the commentary to the video kzread.info/dash/bejne/aah-u66tpdLOk7w.html

That gravity waves propagate at light speed was confirmed by LIGO observations such as the GW170817 neutron star merger, where the detection of gravitational waves and the subsequent observation of gamma-ray bursts from the same event occurred nearly simultaneously. Any reaction to this observational evidence?

If the star trick warp question was directed at scientific actors like Neil Tyson, they would likely take an hour to entertain that answer. However, Rubers is a real scientist who sticks with reality.

Thanks for this video. As mentioned in this video, Neither Newton nor Einstein could explain the forces in their assumed gravitational matters. In order to understand the motion of objects in cosmos, we have to understand how atomic and molecular gases and particles in cosmic (galactic) clouds are activated by external electromagnetic forces where the Strong Em-force assembles and sorts out gases and particles to form stars and planets. By the very rotational and orbital properties in atomic gases and particles in cosmic clouds , these are furthermore activated by external electromagnetic forces and assembled to rotational stars and orbital objects. When fully made, the stars and planets are dispersed centrifugally away from the formative center, thus giving the orbital and positional motions in our Solar System which STILL contains its centrifugally increasing distance motions between all objects. The orbital motions of planets in the not empty space, asserts an orbital velocity resistance PRESSURE on planets, a pressure which Newton wrongly deduced as an attraction from the Earth. Combining the electromagnetic force, which is everywhere in cosmos, with the concept of “gravity”, in this sense logically determining “gravity=electromagnetism” to be everywhere, confirms the Eric van Flanders “speed of gravity” to be infinitely “quick” as its present all over in the universe. Einsteins idea of “curved space-time” is better explained by the very qualities of electromagnetic motions and its spiraling formation. Best Wishes

If the universe is expanding faster outwards, could a theory be that it is getting closer to a gravitational "edge / rim/ endpoint/milestone", which is predetermined (effecting backwards through time) by the conscious universe? as we know the closer one gets to a source of gravity the stronger the effect therefore increased speeds. Perhaps dark energy is just the affect of surface tension in the Petri dish that the universe is in 😂. Perhaps the spin of the galaxies is just the coriolis affect and dark energy is just a Bunsen burner causing expansion.

As Tina Turner said, "What's love got to do with it... got to do with it?" I thought you were discussing gravity! 😂

Finally!

Gravity might simply be what Time feels like.

Did Pam Smart ever send you the email about the Torus of the Eschaton?

There's no problem here. All that really matters is that to the extent the sun has a velocity through the galaxy, Earth does too. We move TOGETHER through the galaxy (in an orbit around the center of the galaxy) - it's perfectly valid for us to neglect that motion completely when calculating Earth's orbit, so everything BEHAVES as though the sun is sitting still and Earth's only motion is its orbital motion. Under those conditions, treating gravity as instantaneous in Newtonian gravity calculations makes no difference at all. Now, if you were to remove that component of Earth's motion, so that the sun WAS moving through the galaxy relative to the Earth, yes, that would result in all kinds of problems. But that's not the situation we've got. This ability to neglect shared motion is the very essence of special relativity. I'm a little surprised that Dr. Sheldrake failed to consider this.

Electrical engineer/physicist Dan Winter (available on KZread) explains what 'gravity' is (i.e. why 'objects' fall to 'the ground') being an effect of 'Non-destructive implosive charge-compression' - which is the bioelectrical definition of; Negentropy, Life, Self-awareness, perception (inc colour) metabolism (why a seed germinates; 'charge-implosion') subjective fractality AND gravity. And, if 'Infinite Non-destructive implosive charge-compression' is properly understood then you'll know why the instructions of sages the likes of Ramana Maharshi or Nisargadatta Maharaj were intuitively correct (essentially to abstract a sense-felt point of focus in your Awareness, as a feeling (verb') as distinct from the lifeless word or non-existent 'noun'/'pronoun') - a perfected demonstration of fractal negentropy and metabolism ('embodiment' thereof) of intelligence and love in action. - essentially, a bioelectrical interpretation and reason as to why we should dare to ask; ''what am I?'' - to assume fractality, get centripetal, and teach our children how to 'independently' access bliss and know that we are implicitly imbedded in the larger array..

It might be of interest to you that Buckminster Fuller also viewed love as an aspect of gravity.

Faster than Light.

@TheWorldTeacher

4 ай бұрын

Sings: “It ain’t necessarily so...” 🎤

I always thought that something is faster than the speed of light.

❤🌍🙏

It seems that gravitational waves move at the speed of light. When there is no change in mass, there is no change in the space time around it, so the "system" is in an "established mode, so it does not seem right to me to say that gravity goes faster than the speed of light, the property of space time is established everywhere, and only changes (gravitational waves) take time to travel...

One more thing... Does this then equate intention with gravity?

So, if you assume that just prior to the Big Bang literally everything was condensed into a single singularity, then everything (except dark matter and energy which perhaps existed in what we call space prior to the BB) then gravity may be the universe's way of evincing that all IS connected.

Excellent talk! I appreciate the opportunity you both used to marry Spirit to Science ❤

@rogerphelps9939

Ай бұрын

Toptal nonsense.

Enlighteningly Objective views on a Heavy Subject... 🤔

It's not my field of expertise, but the feeling is that this way of thought is somewhat flawed and off the mark. If gravity is not a cause but the effect of the space/time wrap/indentation by the mass and as is sometimes simplified and visualised in action in flat plane by having a very tightly sprang net (the all conected universe) with a ball droped in it, it will make an indentation in a way that if there is another let say small ball nearby it will start rolling towards the biger ball because of the tilt in the net. So the tilt in the net is the gravity and that's a manifestation of the mass. That manifestation is instantanius or, shall we say, continiusly manifested as long as the mass deforming the space is there. Now, let's say the mass is suddenly removed . And if, for example, the removed mass is the Sun, and suddenly, the effect of that mass disaper. Yes, the gravitational effect will disappear almost instantaniusly on earth and the other planets as the space will only need to travel the depth of warp caused by the removed obgect (in that case, the Sun and the indentation of lets say the radius of the Sun) before becoming flat again. Even if the speed of that straightening movement in direction perpendicular to the space plane (so space becomes flat again) is the same or even less than the speed of light, the distance is so neglegable in cosmic terms that the flatening of the space plane is almost instantenius and therefore the gravitational effect is lost almost instantaniusly. At the same time the last light emited by the just removed Sun is traveling along the space net plane much grater distance and therefore has the neded 8 minutes or so to reach earth and only after that we can see the stoping of it. One should not mix events from different planes and measure the effects in the same way. And of course, this is very crude and barbaric simplification but should do the trick for illustrating where the mistake in the debate lies Light is particle travelling along the plane. Gravity is effect experienced on the plane exerted on the plane by force in perpendicular direction (in the very simplified visualisation scenario presented)

Gravity is a force that causes matter to accelerate. There is no speed.

Maybe I'm getting this wrong, but it seems that we are valuing one of these "forces "positively by calling it "love" and comparing it to "god" and the other negatively by calling it "dark matter" (or repulsion) We talk about this attractive force with a kind of longing to be united with it. But what strikes me is that without its opposite-the expanisve tendency- that "love" would, in fact, crush us (and everything) into nothingness. Thus, I think the Chinese have it right. Yin (the attractive, consolidating tendency) must have the yang (or expansive outward moving) energy or tendency and vice versa. Neither is meaningful and is downright destructive without the other.

Where is your connection to Terence McKenna ( in channels options which has disappeared on my phone).What's going on, Rupert?Have I got it so terribly wrong?🕊️

Gravity makes more sense to me if it pushes ( from the ether) into the Bubble of isn't which are Atoms

First comment!! 🤙❤️

so.... am I in gravity with all things?

But the gravitational field is constant so the initial state of gravity that established the order of the solar system has been established for billions of years not 8 min

Gravitational wave detector corelate width astronomic telescope for neutron star collision and gravity is travel at speed of light.

Interesting subject matter, which is both stimulating and thought-provoking. I still think that there is no such thing as gravity. What we call gravity is just a shadow of mass being accelerated, a kind of a wake. Everything is in motion, and everything seems to be affected by something at a distance, this is gravity. When looking at gravity from this angle, as a product of velocity, space and time, you can clearly see that it can behave like as if it was an attractive or repulsive force. We see analogous behaviors in rivers where the current generally is in a particular direction, but there are also the back eddies. If all motion ceased in the universe, there would be no apparent gravity, and as such, gravity is not a force.

@amanitamuscaria7500

4 ай бұрын

that's a very interesting perspective. I can see that. Thank you.

@rogerphelps9939

Ай бұрын

Evidence or just your wild speculation.

Isn't the more typical claim that technically gravity doesn't exist? A bit like with time in the space-time Minkowski interpretation. The whole notion of dynamics to gravity has the rug taken from under it by throwing in some curvature to space. This is recognised by some physicists as a problem awaiting a more complete relational account of space, such as Barbour and Smolin for example. For the way in which this curvature and geodesic path is determined are quite arbitrary.

Dear Rupert, ..I had a niggling cough for ages..and I oddly discovered my computer motherboard, fan or battery, were running hot needing to be replaced. ...overheating and offgassing in my office here..a touch of Teflon flu !..ptfe ; or, metal fume fever; which started to resolve within 24hrs after switching it off, and testing again weeks later it seemed conclusive, as symptoms returned within hours. ..when I had attributed it to post covid symptom for over a year. Just curiously wondering !. We would all love you to be around for a decent while yet. Wishing you good health. Xx

SPEED OF GRAVITY AS THE SPEED OF LIGHT ; AS ABOVE SO BELOW1 all here is structured in this oppositional ratio that is binded golden measure. If is is a universe there is an anti universe . Love you two together .

The speed of light is not a constant as once thought, and this has now been proved by Electrodynamic theory and by Experiments done by many independent researchers. The results clearly show that light propagates instantaneously when it is created by a source, and reduces to approximately the speed of light in the farfield, about one wavelength from the source, and never becomes equal to exactly c. This corresponds the phase speed, group speed, and information speed. Any theory assuming the speed of light is a constant, such as Special Relativity and General Relativity are wrong, and it has implications to Quantum theories as well. So this fact about the speed of light affects all of Modern Physics. Often it is stated that Relativity has been verified by so many experiments, how can it be wrong. Well no experiment can prove a theory, and can only provide evidence that a theory is correct. But one experiment can absolutely disprove a theory, and the new speed of light experiments proving the speed of light is not a constant is such a proof. So what does it mean? Well a derivation of Relativity using instantaneous nearfield light yields Galilean Relativity. This can easily seen by inserting c=infinity into the Lorentz Transform, yielding the GalileanTransform, where time is the same in all inertial frames. So a moving object observed with instantaneous nearfield light will yield no Relativistic effects, whereas by changing the frequency of the light such that farfield light is used will observe Relativistic effects. But since time and space are real and independent of the frequency of light used to measure its effects, then one must conclude the effects of Relativity are just an optical illusion. Since General Relativity is based on Special Relativity, then it has the same problem. A better theory of Gravity is Gravitoelectromagnetism which assumes gravity can be mathematically described by 4 Maxwell equations, similar to to those of electromagnetic theory. It is well known that General Relativity reduces to Gravitoelectromagnetism for weak fields, which is all that we observe. Using this theory, analysis of an oscillating mass yields a wave equation set equal to a source term. Analysis of this equation shows that the phase speed, group speed, and information speed are instantaneous in the nearfield and reduce to the speed of light in the farfield. This theory then accounts for all the observed gravitational effects including instantaneous nearfield and the speed of light farfield. The main difference is that this theory is a field theory, and not a geometrical theory like General Relativity. Because it is a field theory, Gravity can be then be quantized as the Graviton. Lastly it should be mentioned that this research shows that the Pilot Wave interpretation of Quantum Mechanics can no longer be criticized for requiring instantaneous interaction of the pilot wave, thereby violating Relativity. It should also be noted that nearfield electromagnetic fields can be explained by quantum mechanics using the Pilot Wave interpretation of quantum mechanics and the Heisenberg uncertainty principle (HUP), where Δx and Δp are interpreted as averages, and not the uncertainty in the values as in other interpretations of quantum mechanics. So in HUP: Δx Δp = h, where Δp=mΔv, and m is an effective mass due to momentum, thus HUP becomes: Δx Δv = h/m. In the nearfield where the field is created, Δx=0, therefore Δv=infinity. In the farfield, HUP: Δx Δp = h, where p = h/λ. HUP then becomes: Δx h/λ = h, or Δx=λ. Also in the farfield HUP becomes: λmΔv=h, thus Δv=h/(mλ). Since p=h/λ, then Δv=p/m. Also since p=mc, then Δv=c. So in summary, in the nearfield Δv=infinity, and in the farfield Δv=c, where Δv is the average velocity of the photon according to Pilot Wave theory. Consequently the Pilot wave interpretation should become the preferred interpretation of Quantum Mechanics. It should also be noted that this argument can be applied to all fields, including the graviton. Hence all fields should exhibit instantaneous nearfield and speed c farfield behavior, and this can explain the non-local effects observed in quantum entangled particles. *KZread presentation of above arguments: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pZmExqxwpra3prQ.html *More extensive paper for the above arguments: William D. Walker and Dag Stranneby, A New Interpretation of Relativity, 2023: vixra.org/abs/2309.0145 *Electromagnetic pulse experiment paper: www.techrxiv.org/doi/full/10.36227/techrxiv.170862178.82175798/v1 Dr. William Walker - PhD in physics from ETH Zurich, 1997

Gravity is not a force now a day's, i think it is taken to be a space time curvature

If gravity has a speed is the speed of dark energy equivalent?

Gravitational waves travel at the speed of light. This was proven using LIGO. Sheldrake does not seem to have kept up to date on this topic.

as luminosity is linked to size (weight) of an galaxy, what if we gotten the speed of light wrong: what if the actual speed of light is mutual to speed of gravity, but its the "sideways" movement that we measure as C nothing is still in an universe and as light does not expirience time, it could be that cone of light is actually formed when other side is shining light to past and other side into future this could be measurable in some time in future

@amanitamuscaria7500

4 ай бұрын

Elsewhere (and I can't remember where now, of course) Rupert talks about his idea that the speed of light is not constant. I think in his TED talk about the science delusion. Very interesting. Light does not experience time.

@rogerphelps9939

Ай бұрын

@@amanitamuscaria7500 Very interesting but very wrong.

@amanitamuscaria7500

Ай бұрын

@@rogerphelps9939 lol that's very confident of you .....or maybe you're calling me wrong, not Rupert. That makes more sense lol. I personally haven't done the research he's done, or have the credentials he has, or have the arrogance to call him wrong when I actually do not know. Without the personal study and research, we only know what we're told. So, I will remain open and attentive.

Interesting conversation. The notion that everything is love, is God, was a concept posited by Thomas Troward in the Edinburgh Lectures. The idea that the physical universe is the body of God is a main principle of New Thought. It doesn’t negate science. Science is just the way we try to understand how the Universe works. It’s just another way of God wanting to know, and therefore, “love” itself.

@amanitamuscaria7500

4 ай бұрын

Interesting, thank you for that.....I will try to find that.

@valentinmalinov8424

4 ай бұрын

For your surprise, I consider myself a physicist and I agree with you. God is a incredible engineer and probably will be interesting for you to find out how He create the Universe - The Universe is not a "mess" modern science portray it. It is simple and full with logic and balance. The details can be found in my book - "Theory of Everything in Physics and The Universe"

@rogerphelps9939

Ай бұрын

Love is just a concept invented by humans and that is the most likely explanation of a God who does nothing.

@rogerphelps9939

Ай бұрын

@@valentinmalinov8424 The usual crank rubbish.

?❤? Эйнштейна мечтал измерить скорость поезда, самолёта - через опыт Майкельсона Морли 1881/2024 г., и только тогда, опыт будет выполнен на 74%. Это возможно выполнить с помощью оптоволоконного ГИБРИД гироскопа. Вот исходя из выполненного на 74% опыта Майкельсона, возможно доказать постулаты: Свет - это упорядоченная вибрация гравитационных квантов и доминантные гравитационные поля корректируют скорость света в вакууме. (Мы, не ищем эфир, мы увидим работу квантов гравитации) В итоге увидите *теорию всего* в простом учебном устройстве и новую рулетку, что измерить Вселенную.

When talking about Holy Trinity, Jesus wasn't mentioned (?). Gravity and matter was suggested to be associated with Father, EM-forces with Holy Spirit or Logos, but it is not clear whether the nuclear forces (which was indirectly mentioned at some point) would then be associated with The Son (Jesus).... According to Gnostics, the creator/designer of this world (Earth and the rest of this physical universe) is NOT the Holy Father, but Demiurge (who is not part of the Trinity). Father is the creator (or 'Lord') of ('non-physical') Heaven, which is 'outside' of this cruel (demonically imperfect, extremely disharmonious) Demiurge's simulation... And this simulation is coded with (at least 3) different kinds of coding. I guess gravity and its properties would be the same coding as matter and energy ('quantum-foam') that builds up all the forms. But coding for morphic fields (database related to all physical and mental forms/vehicles of this universe/simulation... having e.g. its subset-Akashic database, with a Record (informational content) related to all thoughts (mental forms, with certain energy structure), during one human soul's lifetime), is different coding, not the same as for quantum-energy. And orgones (qi, life-force) which 'fuel' the forms ('driven' by fragments of consciousness/mind(s)/soul(s) trapped in this simulation) are again coded with different kind of coding, than the information from MFs, and the quantum energy... Thank You.

Everything everything universally is quantum light that creates all matter creates all gravity creates all Consciousness creates all stages and ages of all light color sounding mind 369 that we see universally

gravity moves does it ? then it must be moving a whole lot every seconf of every day. hmm

all the matter in the univers has electric charge, thats a lot if ekectricity. The univers us not expanding, no majic dark energy needed. its all electronagnetic, gravity is a week force by comparison.

sounds very Newtonian

gravity is a localized phenomena ur wrong on that point rupert

@NGC-catseye

4 ай бұрын

How can it be localised if it is happening everywhere at the same time?

@shockwave326

4 ай бұрын

@@NGC-catseye gravity happenes everywhere where there is matter,,,, it is local to that matter its not to everywhere

Thank you. To hear such a free wheeling and open minded sharing of philosophy, or philosophic science, is tremendously healing. May all sincere minds take solace here.

The speed of gravity was measured by both LIGO and optics watching the same kilonova, the merger of two neutrob stars at long distance. The light arrived 1.3 seconds after the Gravitational waves. This constrained the speed of gravity to equal c, constrained to better than 10^-12 different. This conversation is not convincing.

Gravity is the latest gap that god is being crammed into.

If God the Father is the ground of being, the ground of everything, it explains why God the Father walked on Water, because Water is the ground of everything. Water is the foundation which we walk on.

Such an amazing discussion! Unfolding powerful ideas at every turn.

You cant handle the truth !

Sorry, but discussion in the context of the standard model is meaningless. A patadigm shift is necessary. Read Halton Arp's book Seeing Red, to understand that he found plenty of evidence that destroyed the big bang/expanding universe and was simply kicked out of the mainstream, instead of being refereed. He found connected galaxies with vastly different red shifts, which means that there's something INTRINSIC in the galaxies, and it's not from moving away from us. 8n fact, he also found that the different red shifts were quantized, suggesting a parent/child relationship, with the younger objects being more red. 💡

@dr.davidgerstenaminoacidth2421

4 ай бұрын

We often think of God the way we think of a sculptor and his/her creation. I think of God permeating every atom of creation. The infinite consciousness that we call God may permeate every atom, making the material world a fractal (to use Rupert’s term) of God. This is a Vedic idea. More than 5000 years ago the Vedas talked shout the Big Bang. Each expansion and contraction of the universe was called “one day of Brahman (God). Many such days have existed. I don’t know if we can give gravity a unique place in creation, but I love this discussion and physics is not my strong suit.

@amanitamuscaria7500

4 ай бұрын

sounds an interesting read.

@valentinmalinov8424

4 ай бұрын

I believe that you start seeing the truth between the lines. There is a real physics, which will be of interest to you - just find the book - "Theory of Everything in Physics and The Universe"

@amanitamuscaria7500

4 ай бұрын

@@valentinmalinov8424 thank you

@frankie8958

4 ай бұрын

The Thunderbolt Project has made some pretty spot on predictions....I say look into everything and leave no stone unturned...

Look this discussion would have been nice in the 1990s but this is way behind the times - the electric universe crowd Wallace Thornhill etc have got this sorted a decade ago - Gravity is NOT a fundamental force, gravity is an epiphenomenon of electro-magnestism, at least until the whole thing gets properly reframed. The gravitational effect is caused by the dipolar structure of atoms. Go see Wal Thornhills video 'The Long Path to Understanding Gravity' and there's no absolute space you nut jobs - real science understands the reality of the ether, Einstein and Eddington proposed to conclusively disprove the existence of the ether and thereby set science back 100 years. While you perpetuate the authority of Newton and Einstein and the whole 'standard model' whatever positive philosophy you spin from it, it's just past, gone, done, irrelevant. Please check out the electric universe people and stay relevant 🙏

@valentinmalinov8424

4 ай бұрын

The continuation of "Electric Universe" is in my book - "Theory of Everything in Physics and The Universe" Probably will be of interest of you.

There are four paths to God. Love is the path from God to God. Gravity is no force, and it only is manifested when matter is prevented from its natural free fall relative trajectory.

Quantum in all points in SpaceTime time space all at once. Anti-gravity is QuantumIAM=0= +01⚖️-01 in TRINITY light color sound 369 reverse charge of frequency vibration 2/3 - negative 1/3 positive creates the anti-spin Within all MIND cRAft. Gravity is 1/3 - 2/3 positive electromagnetic geometric lights all mined gravity spin

@brendabeamerford4555

4 ай бұрын

Everything everything universally is quantum light that creates all matter creates all gravity creates all Consciousness creates all stages and ages of all light color sounding mind 369 that we see universally

@brendabeamerford4555

4 ай бұрын

Everything everything universally is quantum light that creates all matter creates all gravity creates all Consciousness creates all stages and ages of all light color sounding mind 369 that we see universally

@brendabeamerford4555

4 ай бұрын

One GodHead in IAM=0= Trinity Quantum time space

At 16:40, Mark introduces an 'Aristotilian' idea of God being the 'unmoved mover,' and everything in the universe having an in built propensity to 'desire and want'. I came to a similar conclusion myself several years ago whilst trying to answer the question, 'What Colour is Love ?' The universe and everything in it seems to want to get back together again as if the separate state is not natural. As if the quest to rejoin with creation is the omnipresence which defines all our motivations and those of the cosmos. At 23:00, Rupert mentions Roger Penrose's proposition that the universe will eventually evaporate into light. Therefore gravity and light being opposites and answering my question in the same way I did. Love is gravity and so light cannot travel fast enough to escape, and so love is black or colourless.😊

@rogerphelps9939

Ай бұрын

Heavy radioactive nuclei have absolutely no desire or want. Sheldrake is an embarrassment.

If the sun suddenly disappeared the first thing we would notice is the earth and planets would go into straight lines off into space. Eight minutes twenty seconds later our sky would go dark.

@TheDalaiLamaCon

4 ай бұрын

Man, being out by a second aint comin first. Join the club.

@jacobbarela6153

4 ай бұрын

Maybe later because the earth might propel to a speed that takes light an extra amount of time to reach it even though it's getting farther away, the effect on the light from the perspective of the earth might be something like 10 minutes. Idk. Maybe.

@amanitamuscaria7500

4 ай бұрын

either way, we'd be toast. Cold toast, at that. @@jacobbarela6153

@james6401

3 ай бұрын

The earth and planets might not instantaneously get hurled out into the cosmos if the sun suddenly disappeared - they might continue on for a while on an elliptical path... Have a look at a video called "the most mind-blowing aspect of circular motion" by All Things Physics, I'll try to link below

@james6401

3 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/c4BmpcqcZtPFe84.htmlsi=dGtNdlWF_6bmIfOj All Things Physics