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@oxey_

Жыл бұрын

let's gooooo

@HanyuuHOLO

Жыл бұрын

From my point of view, we just got 2 episodes in 1 Monday. Big W

Thanks for having me on boys, it was a pleasure. Just wanted to show off my invisibility cloak on podcast!

@garagavia

5 ай бұрын

Catcake you're a legend my fiend ❤

Manifesting the 2 hour umbrella cut 🙏🙏🙏

Crazy this episode had both Cupcake and John Cena. Amazing how big BBC is now!

Just finished my finals for the semester, and what better way to celebrate than see a special episode of BBC starring my Coach Mr. Cupcake! Surely nothing goes wrong here!

charlie gifted us two episodes on the same day, what a legend 😁

Was hoping for a long episode but the immediate explanation had me rolling 😭

49:35 an old teacher of mine always said, when you are competing against humans, you don't have to be perfect to be the best, because humans can't be perfect. I've actually never heard anyone else say that but I think it's beautiful

I always love you guys having Coach Cupcake on! These are the best podcasts :) And tbh the audio from the "lost" episode isn't that bad; I stopped noticing there was something off after a few minutes of listening anyways.

“We’re junglers, we never get any action.” Sorry to hear it Nathan! Can’t wait to listen to the scuffed secret iPhone episode. Thanks again for the awesome podcast.

It's really nice that you're bringing a top laner to the podcast, now you've covered all league roles and is nice to have a perspective from a pro player about the current state of top lane

I appreciate you both covering the topic of not giving up after a tough early start (example of jungle getting double kill level 3). I've had trouble with this myself and is why I think the "End of Review" approach can end up being a double-edged sword. For me, its important to keep in mind the importance of how impactful your early mistakes can be in review, but in game all of your mental capacity needs to be used towards how you can win the game in front of you.

Very excited about the top lane episode. I watch the podcast every week even though I play almost exclusively top. For the POV VODs that you mentioned, you want to see a full pov vod upload or a specific moment?

@BrokenByConcept

Жыл бұрын

Either are fine :)

I relate so much to this anxiety cycle regarding my social anxiety.

Don't care if the audio is shit, so hyped to hear from cupcake! 🎉

Morning Nathan/Curtis, Long time listener and absolutely love the work that you guys do. Do you have any recommendations for an ADC coach or educational content creator? Thanks!

@Surfkatt3216

Жыл бұрын

Let me know if you ever found this out. I tried to find someone forever and eventually gave up

In my experience a lot of people start spamming forfeit votes/spamming chat with “ff15” or “ff gg” or whatever early is because they subconsciously have that toxic mindset that they are the only person who can “carry” the team and if they’ve lost lane then the game is over because it’s always 1v9 mentality. As a top laner it’s very common when the Adc is 0/2/0 at 5 minutes it doesn’t matter if top is 20 CS and a plate up on the opposing top laner, that ADC or mid or jungle feels like they can’t 1 v 9 therefore nobody else can carry the team

@brunolanglais662

Жыл бұрын

At the end of the day, it often comes down to who plays mid/late game better. Leads are so easy to throw nowadays. You could die thrice in lane, then your jungler comes and you get a shutdown and catch up XP, poof you're back in the game. So yes it has to do with the 1v9 mentality, I agree, but also low self confidence in being able to make a come back or actually carry. On one hand, people have that anime protagonist mentality, but they also refuse to solo carry a game if their team isn't doing well.

My friend, a Diamond Zed player, taught me the game of League. We would practice 1v1s all the time, various situations, etc. Never won a single time, but learned a LOT each and every time. Knowledge and understanding of how the game works does a lot to combat the unknown. He , a Diamond Zed, Akali, Katarina, LeBlanc player, taught me how to lane against Assassins, Mages, Bruisers, etc. One of the best concepts he taught me that can be related to multiple aspects of life is "There is no "Playstyle." There is only correct decisions vs wrong decision. For some actions, you already know what is correct or incorrect. For other situations, you can ONLY know hindsight with vod review. Then you know. You only know what you know and don't know what you don't know." This helped my laning immensely. If I see a Zed miss W, I know i have a window of opportunity to do things. Etc. I never ban any champions now other than perhaps Yuumi and Yorick / Nasus.

I've been trying to get a VOD of a close game to send in but now that I'm conscious someone might watch it I'm playing 20x better than normal. Shows how much I autopilot games.

Curtis could bicep curl my entire family

This is actually the most interesting episode in my opinion, the debate between fundementalism vs champion identity seems to polarise people into one category or the other, I think these kinds of questions will be solved when we start to see league AI in action

Years ago a research team set an AI onto DotA 2. This AI (I believe it was OpenAI), having 5 separate instances, each controlling a character, having no communication with each other, learned the game so well that they were doing all sorts of rotations and team moves because each individual AI saw the move as the best move. This set of 5 AIs beat professional DotA 2 teams. There really is no excuse for League of Legends to still not have a reasonable set of AIs that can actually teach people how to play the game, and I'm glad Riot is finally making an attempt at this. PS: Fuck Zed. I've watched your "How to counter Zed" video twice. I still can't reliably avoid the combo. Good Zed players place the shadow next to you, use E to slow and then Q while you're slowed, all while staying far enough away to not be in any real danger of return fire. Really difficult to deal with a good Zed player, imo. If I wasn't broke AF, I'd queue up for MLA just to have you train me to deal with this champion.

ill wait for the lost bbc episode

The whole warding indicator where it lands was also a discussion I had within my friend group. Some saying it was bad of riot to take away the skill from people who had actually went through and learned ward placements. Personally as a support main I've spent a lot of time in practice tool trying out which walls and how to place walls through out the years. Idk if I ever felt ''skillful'' because I knew how to ward. The ones that was saying that it was bad was the ones that are not warding as much as I do. So I felt it was kinda pitty complaining. All in all my mentality on the matter is that if it makes the avarage league player do more propper warding, that makes more high quality games in all skill leveles. Also agree that the game is on such a high difficulty scale that if people would have to think less about where and how to place a ward that's an overall improvement to the game. I think it's good that they make the it so that you can track more things and overall i guess default things you do during a game simpler. If placing a ward is better and takes less time people might focus on things that actually is important within the game, adding warding as a mental stack on placements just seems odd to me. Good addition riot.

one thing to note is that i noticed the iphone quality is significantly higher quality than the current one being used in this video. the audio obv is better in this one. like you both look like ghosts in this video, either the lighting is scuffed or its the camera being used, maybe a mix of both. in the secret episode you 2 are way more tanned

Babe, wake up new Broken by Concept episode just dropped

@oxey_

Жыл бұрын

quite literally Aware

56:45 bro can someone get curtis a coaster?

this video is dedicated to ARAM mains.

So if you're not supposed to use your ban to ban a counter to your champion so you don't play into your worst matchup, what ARE you supposed to use the ban for? (this in reference to the orianna banning zed) Just don't ban anything?

2 BBC episodes on the same day letsfuckinggooooo

Anyone got the link

Its interesting you speak about the ff votes always going through so easily, on euw it is notorious for hostage holding the ff vote. Im thinking it varies widely by region for example open mid go next mentality in korea etc. I find games very rarely get the ff for upwards of 40 mins. Id be in favour of riot adding an incentive similar to gold shutdowns but for playing from behind maybe bigger lp gains for a comeback or reduced lp losses for toughing it out etc. "Being hard to beat" isnt rewarding enough to say oh i made them take 25 mins longer even though i knew the outcome already. The first thought comes to mind is i could have won the next game in that 25 mins if you get my line of thinking and recouped that lp. Personally i am a believer of game volume, the more games you get through in a shorter amount of time will net you a better % average as you would in theory sift through the free wins, auto losses and encounter more games that are on you allowing more opportunities to climb quicker. The downside is as you have both implied you dont learn how to win hard games but isnt the goal to achieve a 51% win rate with the path of least resistance? Keep up the good vids guys.

39:44 Ninety-seven percent 97% of games were lost if there was a 4/5 vote in ranked games. Tha'ts a huge majority.

New Upload :D

did nathan play the 3 block after the first video 👀

There are so many different ways to have 'skill expression'. Starcraft 2 for example, they deliberately made the UI bad because they wanted skill expression to be about high APM because they thought that would make it more interesting as a pro sport. Riot could decide that memorizing spawn timers and every ward placement is part of skill expression, but they probably think that is really boring and pointless. If you spent hours learning every place you can put a ward over a wall, I guess maybe that feels bad. But I feel like knowing those spots probably have very little impact on your win rate...

I call those frustrated ff votes "business FF votes"

I used to ban zed, not because i don't know how to play vs him but because my junglers don't. Like for real... The amount of times they go to my lane on low hp and feed him a kill because of his passive is insane. Plus, if a zed spams w with electrocute, that is insanely strong poke to deal with, but the good part is, he loses his escape... So he is vulnerable to ganks. Too bad that rarely gets punished. Now i ban malphite because i play a lot of akshan

So what you're saying is we get 2 podcasts in one? SIGN ME UP

Anyone down to create a top lane BBC server like what Nathan have CC have for their programs? Won’t have coaching but could have discussions, support, and champion specific pages. Thoughts?

Ah yes, Curtis the psychoanalyst.

What if you ff at 15 you lose extra LP

As an ADC main in bronze, I generally ban Master Yi. I'd rather learn to play against Pyke, Draven, and other strong picks in my lane, and I figure that by banning Yi, I'm protecting my whole team from a pick that, at my level, is a nightmare to deal with.

In my opinion skill is how difficult a champion is to play. Do they have skill shots, if they get shit on in lane do they still come back and kill you once they get items. Can they miss every ability or not use any due to mana and still kill you without being an adc. I am only a shit master player but I think a lot of bruisers are busted. Including yone and yasuo. Another way I look at it is yes with a lot of skill expression they are insane but even at a low skill expression all you have to do is auto and press r to win. I have played every champ in the game simply because it’s the fastest way for me to learn to fight them and figure out what they want to do. This is just my opinion and I refuse to play any camps I find too easy or skill-less, but what matters is if you are having fun at the end of the day.

HAHA! YES

Have you ever wondered if the focus also of people like you on just the first 8 minutes of the game is what contributes to the giving up mentality?

1:02:38 YESSSS OMFG YES. It's so infuriating having teammates, friends, redditors, twitch chatters, everyone say how little skill Yone takes to win a game, despite never playing a single Yone game themselves.

I ban zed every game hehe o.o

maybe lose the sd card more often, i dont mind having double episodes being uploaded ;)

I ban Teemo in 100% of my games. He's not even good, but just having him in my games fills me with rage, and I play worse even when he's on my team. I'd rather play into my hardest counter matchup than allow a player to play Teemo in my game.

why not just ban zed every game? Is ban such an important resource? Does learning how to beat zed make you holistically better at the game?

@Charms256

Жыл бұрын

if its the optimal choice then there is nothing wrong with it. But if you have to rely on banning him when there are theoretically worse champs to face --then youre only setting yourself behind I do perma ban zed right now though, because he does very well into all 3 of my champs (cassio, syndra, ahri)

@bjornblomgren2977

Жыл бұрын

@@limitfizzting5857 Zed is a lot more unique than you are conceding

@bjornblomgren2977

Жыл бұрын

@@Charms256 What if zed is the least optimal champ for you to face simply because of lack of experience? Is it really worth the effort to learn a brand new matchup just so you have a more flexible ban?

@Charms256

Жыл бұрын

@@bjornblomgren2977 absolutely worth it. This logic fails because you only get one ban. I guarantee there are a ton of matchups you don’t know perfectly, so you have to get into details of each matchup specifics anyway

@jeanpaulblanchette2079

Жыл бұрын

Because maybe one day there will be a matchup worse than zed, a counter gets over buffed, zed gets nerfed, etc. And you might need to ban something else, what do you do then?

I feel like you can be rusty AND still review your games. The fact that you're rusty just need to be a protection against mental booms but not an excuse to not review or let your mistakes go not adressed. Plus, I feel like the kind of mistakes you make when you're rusty or tired tells a lot about you as a player and make you improve a lot. Personal opinion and experience.

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