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@SomeUsernameSomeoneElseTookIt

Жыл бұрын

you're welcome

@chipchamp8580

Жыл бұрын

no problem og

@MajoraWaffle

Жыл бұрын

no problem fam! you deserve the silver play button!

@johnnymartinez478

Жыл бұрын

bro you need to release more vidyas

@VeryTastySoup87

Жыл бұрын

Congratulations

Another lovely fact is that Matt Groening hated Hans Molemans design when he first appeared and demanded that he never appear again. But the crew loved him too much and only found it funny that Matt hated him. So they just kept putting him in

@wolfetteplays8894

Жыл бұрын

LOL

@ItsYourBoiUhh

Жыл бұрын

"no one likes Molemans" lmao that line makes a lot more sense now

@jesusramirezromo2037

Жыл бұрын

Is that why they made him the butt of the joke?

@chaoticneutral7976

Жыл бұрын

Well that explains why he's always getting killed

@WJINTL

Жыл бұрын

I can imagine his anxiety every time he just lets an episode go to airing without looking at it... only for it to feature a moleman scene

As the designer of the opening sequence I may have more accurate answers. But to the point: the reason why this was cut -- not the right tone of humor for the show and the way it was evolving. Pretty simple, eh?

@KidLeavesStoop

Жыл бұрын

Wow, didn’t expect to see you here! Thanks for all you’ve done

@davidsilverman1741

Жыл бұрын

@@KidLeavesStoop haha - ya never know who may turn up! And thanks for bringing this up, it amazes me how much these things mean to so many. Very appreciated and thanks for the compliment. We all try to do a pretty decent job - !

@Jvnet10

Жыл бұрын

Very cool to read straight from the source. Cheers!

@ghhn4505

Жыл бұрын

Bring the bus stop bunch back with Mr. Gross with some style no nos thrown in, kino episode right there

@shannon6365

Жыл бұрын

silverman, ofc haha

They should do a treehouse of horror episode where they pretend all of the no's in the no-no book are yes's but is otherwise completely normal

@Jamesharveycomics

8 ай бұрын

Also, one where we see what the show would be like if all Matt Groening’s ideas become canon. Homer was secretly Krusty this whole time. Marge is a rabbit. Etc etc

@SonicMaster519

7 ай бұрын

@@JamesharveycomicsI would kill for that.

@Jamesharveycomics

5 ай бұрын

America’s favorite blue collar TV dad: a clown who got married to a rabbit

@HarvoSpoon

4 ай бұрын

and the plot twist is that the simpsons have been replaced with evil versions of themselves, explaining why they're so off-model and making sinister faces

@1thousandarrows944

3 ай бұрын

You could totally make a segment a la Looney Tunes's "Invasion of the Bunny Snatchers", where everything is weird and fucked up but only Bart notices, it would be very fun to see them bend the style rules to create a very uncanny valley effect, where everything looks JUST OFF ENOUGH to be unsettling.

I just realised, my bedsheets as a kid where some of these drawings. I thought it was weird how janky these pics of the Simpsons where, and why they had "NO" written all around them. What a weird, and much cooler than I thought, concept for bedsheets.

@callumhearne6936

Жыл бұрын

Literally no no sheets

@drezbrodudea7763

Жыл бұрын

​@@callumhearne6936 HAHA

@justyumi4410

Жыл бұрын

You have lost Simpsons merch? That or you must've gotten a bootleg.

@mrbarrington2709

Жыл бұрын

Wow,imagine sleeping over a huge list of ways you should NOT draw the characters in it

@guyrocketram9698

11 ай бұрын

would LOVE a screenshot of these if you still have them. it sounds really intresting to me.

My favorite "No-No Style Guide" for animated shows has to be Plank's expression for Ed, Edd n Eddy. Danny Antonicci created a sheet that listed all of the "expressions" Plank should emote depending on how he was feeling. The joke was that all of his expressions were the exact same, but this was a serious guide for animators/storyboard artists to follow because Danny didn't want anyone to change Plank's iconic face if they wanted to.

@THICCTHICCTHICC

Жыл бұрын

Sounds reasonable to me. There's always that off chance someone doesn't listen if you only tell things verbally

@Eddy-xc4ni

Жыл бұрын

You gotta be blind if you can't see the subtle changes to planks expression And now I got the "best friend plank" song stuck in my head thanks for bringing it up 🤣 😭

@gearguts7259

Жыл бұрын

Danny is a hilarious guy for what I've seen of him

@DogsRNice

Жыл бұрын

Wasn't there an episode where his expression was vandalized or am I misremembering

@christopherwall2121

Жыл бұрын

Its all in how he's framed or lit, or how Johnny reacts to him.

I'm glad that Lenny was spared from the "no one else has Homer's beard" rule.

@BenCol

Жыл бұрын

Too bad he wasn’t spared from being punched in the back of the head. Well, for him at least.

@blibdo3216

Жыл бұрын

@JuneAdventure2 homah

@MrGoneNucelar

Жыл бұрын

@JuneAdventure2 Lenny = White , Carl = Black

@RyneMcKinney

Жыл бұрын

NOT LENNY!

@ImGodTheMaryBanger

Жыл бұрын

I'm also glad that Lenny is the only one who isn't supposed to get (random object) in his eye

I think a funny thing about these No-No sheets is that when the rare occasion the rules are broken it drastically increases the joke as well. Also it’s wholesome hearing the Simpsons are just silly fellas who are mischievous and not scoundrels

@pravkdey

9 ай бұрын

Homers expression during the Shinning episode will make me laugh til the grave

@josephlinden1630

9 ай бұрын

Too bad groening is a lil sus.

@notNajimi

8 ай бұрын

@@josephlinden1630Yeah 😭

@sandygrungerson1177

7 ай бұрын

no, theyre scoundrels.

@merucrypoison296

7 ай бұрын

Imagine how stressful this is to the animators, having to keep all of these rules in their heads while drawing stuff that the average viewer won’t even care about lmao

I think the reason we don't see them again is obvious: they no longer use the bus stop. Because Bart stole the bus stop sign

@SuperbbConnor64

4 ай бұрын

After the 13th time they decided “Aaaaah, screw this. Every penny of that gas money is worth it.”

@ramencatbattlecats

18 күн бұрын

@@SuperbbConnor64 accurate

*The Babysitter Bandit* episode is an entire "No-No Sheet" come to life, not so much that the characters are poorly drawn or off model but the animation is so stylistically weird and (at times) beautiful to look at it became the gold standard of what not to do with early 90's era Simpsons.

@floyd2386

Жыл бұрын

That's the best episode to watch as to why that style of animation worked so well. A modern animated version of that episode would make Lucille and the whole situation a lot less unhinged. That episode was very uncomfortable for me to watch as a kid which is exactly what it should have been.

@Attmay

Жыл бұрын

The version that finally aired on Fox in May 1990 was nowhere near as sloppy as the original version.

@Studeb

Жыл бұрын

Although I understand why they moved away from this style, I love it and nothing they have done since going digital has been near to the same quality.

@PointsofData

Жыл бұрын

@@Studeb uh...are you guys talking about Some Enchanted Evening from the first season??? The one that was supposed to be the first episode but became the last?? That's the only one that came up for Babysitter Bandit, and wikipedia says they delayed the release of the episode because the overseas animation studio gave them a style they didn't like (too much like Warner Bros) and they had to redo 70% of it...I'm not sure why you're all talking like it was the pinnacle of Simpsons animation when it was an outside studio, and the internal team had to cobble a fix together to better match the style they wanted.

@oopsallchromosomes8994

Жыл бұрын

@@PointsofData no

Looking at the guide also helps you realize how much work goes into every little decision, most viewers aren't even aware

@reddeadspartan

Жыл бұрын

When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.

@joeikekidschannel8718

Жыл бұрын

Ye

@mr.n7237

Жыл бұрын

That's some bullshit and you know it. Details are meaningless if you're lacking in the creativity.

@justinallen500

Жыл бұрын

You commented on the last one too. I think it’s cool to see KZreadrs actually watching and enjoying content.

@orlando-mal4589

Жыл бұрын

Irl Easter egg

as an animator I appreciate having these types of style guides highlighted, it's a major part of our jobs. This is hardly a hot take, but I do feel they've become TOO rigid with the rules of the show over time, at the cost of life, character and flexibility in the animation

@nobody2021

Жыл бұрын

this is why i can't stand modern simpsons. aside from the writing, the animation and overall art style is way too rigid. twister head used to be a thing and there are a bunch of between frames you can find online that are hilarious to look at. all of that stuff is just gone now it's like it has no soul anymore.

@kaneda7368

Жыл бұрын

When there's rules for literally everything it goes from being art to design. It loses a bit of that magic, and I understand having some guidelines but this seemed like micro-managing creativity.

@andresamaya6187

11 ай бұрын

I feel the same but also think there is stuff they should have added to the No No list a long ago, like overly complicated, "simpsonified" celebrities cameo designs that breaks the flow of the style and the horrible Family Guy half closed eyes idle pose, it just makes the characters look uninterested in whatever they are doing, and if the characters don't give a toss about whatever they're doing why would the viewers?

@DonnaChamberson

10 ай бұрын

You’re not an animator

@MarcHendry

10 ай бұрын

@@DonnaChamberson not on the Simpsons at least, but I don't think I implied that

The 'no cunning' rule is a great rule for any sympathetic protagonist really. They're never scheming, they're always taking whatever life throws at them and respond to that.

@Rutherford_Inchworm_III

8 ай бұрын

Probably why everybody hates Peggy Hill.

@Journey_Awaits

8 ай бұрын

Violated regularly for Bart and Burns and the Treehouse though

@oz_jones

6 ай бұрын

​@@Journey_AwaitsThe Treehouse episodes are non-canon so they get a pass

@annasolovyeva1013

5 ай бұрын

Why can't a sympathetic character plan ahead? Is strategy evil?

@chaptap8376

5 ай бұрын

@@annasolovyeva1013 They're talking about revenge, or at least knowingly malicious acts. It would take a lot more nuance in the writing for sure, to keep em sympathetic. Maybe making it clear that they're setting limits for themselves, like "Ha! I could completely ruin them by planting this evidence on them! ...Okay, yeah, that's too far. Lemme do this other thing that's less harmful." Maybe throw in a "I don't wanna stoop to their level" for good measure.

This is legit the kind of video that reminds me of why I love this platform. A fascinating 20+ minute deep dive on how one example of an iconic cartoon’s early installment weirdness might or might not align with its style guide/“do’s & don’ts”. Ain’t no way you’re gonna get something like this on TV or Netflix lol

@WILD__THINGS

Жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing. Took a subject I'm only mildly interested in and created a video that I didn't want to end.

@MishKoz

Жыл бұрын

Budget be damned, KZread videos will almost always be more interesting when it comes to things like this than TV or Netflix ever could be.

@moosesues8887

Жыл бұрын

@@MishKoz it’s you!!

@MishKoz

Жыл бұрын

@@moosesues8887 Zehahaha

@moosesues8887

Жыл бұрын

@@MishKoz Juan peace moment

I love the derpy 'wall-eyed' expressions of the early seasons. That blank stare has been used to perfect comedic effect so many times, it really adds to the joke/scene. It's especially prevalent in Seasons 4-5, which had some of the most fun/wacky animation of the series. Boy-Scoutz 'n the Hood and Homer Goes to College are two of my favorite episodes in terms of the animation.

@TheDanteEX

Жыл бұрын

I feel like the wall-eyed expression is what completed the "Homer talking to his brain" jokes from those early seasons. It wouldn't be nearly as funny if he didn't look dazed.

@DemoniteBL

Жыл бұрын

​@@TheDanteEX sumpdon

@pravkdey

9 ай бұрын

Some of the things I laughed at the most w early family guy was when a character was watching another do something stupid n silly but with their back turned to the audience n neutral body pose. The juxtaposition was so dang funny

@OlYables

8 ай бұрын

Homer yelling "TRAMAMPOLINE!" Is another great wall-eye.

@lowhp_comic

7 ай бұрын

They do this ALL THE TIME in Futurama whenever a character isn't speaking, even if they were angry in a previous scene or are getting yelled at, they all default into a derpy neutral 😐 expression and I love it every single time 😂

Style guides are some of the most interesting behind-the-scenes materials, and we rarely see many of them. Personal favorite is one from Invader Zim called "God Save the Dib" which gave lots of tips on how to draw that character and how not to, and lots of the potential mistakes were just labeled as "don't do this, it makes him look like a whiny bitch."

@kimifw58

10 ай бұрын

The studio really thought people hated Dib, so they had to make him another Gir. It's sad. Good thing that didn't stick. As for his visual design, I quite liked it, though I think the "big head" comments are funnier when his head isn't big (and I'm not hearing them every single episode).

@official-obama

8 ай бұрын

i looked it up, and the one i found that was remotely visible only said the eyebrows and mouth made him look whiny.

@kimifw58

8 ай бұрын

@@official-obama static wikia nocookie net/zimwiki/images/7/74/Godsavethedib2 gif/revision/latest?cb=20100518231300 (Put periods in the spaces.)

@safrith494

Ай бұрын

@@official-obama The first page is mostly text, and it's all about how "Dib has become a whiny bitch" so "you artists have to save him by making him funny."

As a storyboard artist working on an animated series, your best stuff gets cut ALL THE TIME. Just like the squirrel house masterpiece, I've spent days crafting a perfect scene, getting it all approved, great feedback from everyone, and then had it completely cut because that scene just didn't work for the episode. We even lost an entire FINISHED character design from that cut (...which I was also the secondary character designer for...) Annoying, and a bit disheartening at the time, but literally nothing personal. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work, and there's nothing you can do but sigh and move on. That's the way of television animation.

@vegemiteguzzler9783

Жыл бұрын

In my admittedly much more limited experience of animation, stuff that you worked SUPER hard on getting cut and never seeing the light of day is a core part of the artform as a whole, not just in TV. It‘s definitely something I had to learn to accept pretty much as soon as I tried out animating!

@impagain

Жыл бұрын

@@vegemiteguzzler9783 Exactly! I think the term is something like "learn to kill your children" or something. You can't get so precious about anything that you can't let it go if it's going to hurt the project in general. Another way of putting it is 'polishing a turd'. Cuz at the end of the day, it's still a turd. It can be the most well rendered animation, with incredible drawings and everything. But if the animation itself is bad, you've wasted all that time on a turd xD

@maxseigner5366

Жыл бұрын

A saying my theater teacher used to say all the time was “Sometimes you have to kill your darlings.” along with “Nothing is precious in theater.” And this comment reminded me of that

@Beanfalo

11 ай бұрын

can I ask what series or company you work for? your job sounds so cool!!

@impagain

11 ай бұрын

@@Beanfalo I work for an indie show, The Tuttle Twins. An educational kids show with a much different political leaning than myself. But it's a great job with excellent people! It's super creative and I get to board out all sorts of wacky scenarios and create characters I've never dreamed of! Proving even shows you would never watch are fun and fulfilling to work on 💛

"These characters exist not as individuals, but rather as a group. They stand still together... They act shocked together... They lean back together." I want what they have 😩

@professionalballsinspector2006

Жыл бұрын

friendship goals right there

@Mothlord03

Жыл бұрын

Fr

@ciscornBIG

Жыл бұрын

When you find it come back and let us know :)

@wonkybiscuit2760

Жыл бұрын

Join the army or a cult 🤷

@tavrosnitram1529

Жыл бұрын

Code name kids next store type beat

What’s really nuts is how those style guide tips have been subsumed into adult comedy animation as a whole.

@belot217

11 ай бұрын

Really gives most current adult animated comedies the feeling of procedural background noise sludge.

@Slop_Dogg

7 ай бұрын

It’s crazy to think Simpsons was only 11 years in when Family Guy premiered, yet this was already very true.

@originaluseername

7 ай бұрын

OMG SO NUTES SO CREZIE what’s wild is that you still won’t stfu

@artsyscrub3226

5 ай бұрын

i think because adult animation is so new, I mean think about it, adult animation really didn't get its start until the mid 1900s in the 50s Animation for children has been around for almost as long as film has been around! Disney has been a company for over 100 years And adult shows only started getting popular when tv started being mainstream in homes

@GippyHappy

25 күн бұрын

Except for the not being evil part. Adult animation loves to make their characters evil and unlikeable for some reason.

15:27 "even some of the ridiculous season one background characters follow these body principles" the guy in the middle of the crowd: *w i d e*

@quar_0

7 ай бұрын

Chowder lookin ass

I feel like the idea for Mrs Gross might have morphed into lunch lady Dorris. “dont tell me how to do my job” is something i can picture her saying very clearly in my head.

@matthewlawton9241

Жыл бұрын

As she ladles something sinister into a bowl from a metal drum.

As an animator, I guarantee we sometimes put hidden dialogue in background conversations

@JAlonge017

Жыл бұрын

Give me an example so I can start looking for them!!

@HinX808

Жыл бұрын

⁰

@matthewsenn

Жыл бұрын

@@JAlonge017 Well, I'm not sure which episodes, or if they've aired yet, but myself and others put some in Summer Memories.

@elrayporchas9643

Жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/gqKWqdmfpKazaLw.html

@matthewsenn

Жыл бұрын

@@elrayporchas9643 Yeah that's the show

I would 100% watch several more videos just going over “Do’s and Don’ts/No-No Sheets” for animated media and examples within them, it’s just so interesting.

I really and truly miss the hand drawn animation for both this show and Family Guy. For me, a lot of the richness and charm and character comes from the "mistakes" of the animation process, where things go kinda wrong but it ends up making it even more enjoyable and expressive in the end.

@pablocasas5906

9 ай бұрын

Animated cartoons are still being hand-drawn, I mean animators still draw characters frame by frame with pencils on paper and then color and composed them digitally. I know these days cartoons are also drawn on tablets, but a human still has to draw each individual picture. Don't think IA can replace animators, yet

@c.d.rstudios4691

7 ай бұрын

​@@pablocasas5906 it's not drawn on computers, it's models that have points of articulation where they can move. The simpsons have (in the most recent season) started to use more smear frames. But family guy is just cardboard cutouts at this point

@meyague

Ай бұрын

​@@pablocasas5906 what??? that's not true at all, one bit. it's done digitally and the animation outsourced. lmao.

I really wish the Simpsons wasn’t afraid off going off-model. I get that Matt Groening’s style is very specific, but I personally prefer the more rough-around-the-edges look of the earlier seasons. It just has a lot more charm.

@gearguts7259

Жыл бұрын

The "sweet spot" was Season 3 to 12 iirc, where the roughness adds to the charm but it isnt too distracting or off model.

@katlyndobransky2419

Жыл бұрын

All early animation was beautiful Imo. I hate the stiffy HD look

@gearguts7259

Жыл бұрын

@@katlyndobransky2419 a lot of it is due to the colors and linework tbh, if the colors were less saturated and the lines were more natural a lot of the HD stuff would look great

@GoodMomo

Жыл бұрын

You can see it immediately in the "How would they look today" example at 1:05, where it seems that whoever did that, followed the rules to a T, and removed all soul from them at the same time.

@Hell_With_Perks

Жыл бұрын

@@GoodMomo fr they look so lifeless in the new character design style...

Middle one always looked like adult Bart to me lol

@notsure1969

Жыл бұрын

Me too.

@i.m.evilhomer5084

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's one of the reasons why they got rid of that hairstyle after season 1 for non-simpson family members.

given the infinite length of the series i hope the bus stop gang gets their own 'waiting for godot' style episode

@Galactipod

9 ай бұрын

And I hope there's an episode where all these rules get broken. At first, people would just know there's something wrong but they're unable to place it. Then the demons come out.

@HarvoSpoon

11 күн бұрын

and then it ends with bart stealing the bus stop so they never even get to the bus, but then in a plot twist the middle guy is revealed to be future bart (well, one of the future barts) feels like a treehouse-o-horror type thing, a very experimental one becoz all the characters are either "new", or ones that haven't appeared in ages

I had to watch this twice before I caught the "eye crimes" gag

@MrSlay8000

4 сағат бұрын

i caught this immediately and knew it was a tribute to you

I've always preferred traditional, hand drawn cel animation to digital flash animation, but this made me realize that the more rigid, standardized poses and character models that could just be reused with digital animation, were probably a godsend for shows that like to strongly adhere to style guides and model sheets like The Simpsons and sometimes Family Guy, while still allowing for that variability and sort of fantasy feel with something like SpongeBob SquarePants or especially Steven Universe

@CaptainJZH

Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah Steven Universe deviated from their style guide constantly

@aortaplatinum

Жыл бұрын

@@CaptainJZH Yeah, I'm glad the animators and storyboarders were allowed more freedom, but it was really distracting at times when characters' relative heights would fluctuate and even the entire art style wasn't consistent between episodes, ESPECIALLY in season 1.

@samp.8099

Жыл бұрын

@aortaplatinum8506 It might not seem like it, but The Simpsons doesn't use flash animation, it's still traditionally animated (albeit digitally)

@aortaplatinum

Жыл бұрын

@@samp.8099 Oh that's right, it's still hand animated, just digitally. Though I'm sure there are tools and add-ons they use to ensure consistency more easily than just freehanding every keyframe and trying to manually follow the guidelines

@BlinksAwakening

Жыл бұрын

@@CaptainJZH did Steven Universe initially even have a style guide? That show was so sloppy through most of its run. I mean I'm sure they must have, but it really feels like they rarely were even attempting to adhere to it.

The original bus-step characters are so expressive in their design, you can almost tell their personality from the shape of their bodies. I feel like attempting to be so mathematical with drawing characters can have advantages, but sticking too much to a format means that something special is lost

@DeathnoteBB

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it makes it technically very clean and consistent, but it loses a charm to it as well. It explains why the new seasons feel so “clean” in art-style.

@da4127

Жыл бұрын

exactly, the characters look very generic now, before, some good characters were made, sure some uncanny ones too, but now everyone looks the same, so no good new designs either

@lookmeat

Жыл бұрын

You have to understand the evolution of these rules. There was a lot of problems that they'd send something to be tweened in Korea, and it'd come completely ruined, due to cultural misunderstandings. The rules are a reflection of how to keep a solid and good style, but also make it work when hundreds of people may be drawing them. Similarly it tells artists to avoid things that may look good on paper, but just don't work on TV (and consider this was during the day of blurry cathode-tube SD TV). When you have the style and rules change every few minutes within a single episode, you gain some expresivity in the season, but lose any expression or style that would exist within the episode, let alone the whole season. Nowadays some of these rules may not be imposed, but the Simpsons already had evolved a style and look and stuck to it. As you say there's a balance, and there's moments to break the rules, but you have to do it with care. These rules, most of them, were in the first years, and cover more of the 2-8 seasons of the Simpsons, and honestly the style is pretty expressive and covers. The biggest change was the movie, which resulted in heavier vectorization and less human expressiveness in individual moments. I think that there something was lost.

@The_Boctor

Жыл бұрын

@@lookmeat Nailed it. Coordination at a high scale can be a big enough problem that tradeoffs might have to happen for a project to even survive. And I say this as someone with an unfair bias in favor of the loose feeling of S1 and S2.

@andieallison6792

Жыл бұрын

The transition to digital animation can be blamed, not having guidelines and rules for animation.

The twist head has to be my favourite Simpson quirk. It shouldve been exclusive to Bart, giving him more character

I love the bus stop guys. They break the rules in a very charming way. They're out of place but perfectly in place

I miss "Twister Head" Bart, but I can understand why they felt the need to stop doing it. It was always so jarring and noticeable when it happened in the early seasons.

@nonyabidness8676

Жыл бұрын

Seeing it happen again, I realized how much I missed it too. If Bart is supposed to be kind of a twitchy kid, that's a great way to sell part of it through mannerisms.

@alexneill8338

Жыл бұрын

The shot of Vampire Bart in ToH IV boasting about drinking BLOOD always freaked me out a lot!

@floyd2386

Жыл бұрын

@@alexneill8338 The old animation style definitely worked so well with the Treehouse episodes as well as other more tense episodes like Babysitter Bandit. I can't imagine that episode being anywhere near as uncomfortable with modern animation.

@tiablue9106

Жыл бұрын

I agree, it's kinda weird and off-putting but I still like it for some reason :0

@hugoclarke3284

Жыл бұрын

It's jarring in a satisfying way

I have always wished they would publish the Simpsons style guides. It’s long overdue. Fans of the show would love it and I’m sure animators could learn from it too

@Attmay

Жыл бұрын

Now that Disney owns them, I’m surprised they haven’t already. They created a cottage industry of books about their own animated works.

@SlapstickGenius23

Жыл бұрын

@@Attmay hey, before he created the two first ever Super Sentai shows, Goranger and JAKQ, Shotaro Ishinomori made his own ‘how to draw manga’ book. It’s a classic which has been released from the mid 1960s onward.

@ExaltedUriel

Жыл бұрын

Especially the older ones like we see here, considering that basically none of what made the animation appealing or likeable is present in modern day Simpsons, lmao.

Having these sheets is lovely, and I imagine it helps the animators out a lot to know what they should/shouldn't do from the get-go. But that said... I feel like those earlier seasons, where they did more no-nos and broke some of these very rules are some of my favourites artistically - it feels like there's more life, less rigid. Modern day Simpsons is sadly an eyesore to me.

I know it's not cool to mention John K., but what I loved so much about Ren & Stimpy's animation was the fact that the rules seemed to be more about no rules. I thought I remember hearing he never wanted to see the same expression twice. I understand needing these style guides as they help define the characters so well, but it's nice to see almost an "anti-style guide", as it were.

@Kedai610

11 ай бұрын

John K is a great example of a talented artist held back by being a truly terrible person. The man did so much to develop animation in the 90s, had a massive impact, a super distinctive and interesting style - and pissed it all away by being a nasty narcissistic pedophile.

@skeeter197140

11 ай бұрын

@@Kedai610 Well said.

@stevendobbins2826

11 ай бұрын

I imagine that the Spumco office had a big sign saying "DO THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT FILMATION SAYS."

@kimifw58

10 ай бұрын

@@stevendobbins2826 I think he was one of those animators who told his teams to forget everything Disney taught them.

@Persun_McPersonson

10 ай бұрын

@@kimifw58 Definitely. John hated Disney.

I loved it when bart did the twister head, it gave him that 90s attitude. I think it should have been reserved for him and at very specific moments.

@CaveDDECanem

Жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more!

@Fummy007

Жыл бұрын

He spoke like a New Yorker usually when he did it.

@voldemortsshampoo4551

Жыл бұрын

yeah all these rules just make the animation look flat, stiff and just overall not as lively as animation used to be (simpsons is a prime example but the whole 2d animation industry became this way)

I like the original ones a LOT more than their modern reimaginings.

@toast8221

Жыл бұрын

Me too

@gearguts7259

Жыл бұрын

the problem is the linework and the posing. The linework is way too clean, which makes the shapes look flat, the poses are also very "static", leading to them looking lifeless.

@alchemistofsteel8099

Жыл бұрын

The Simpsons and AVGN are two shows that don't transition well into HD

@Cool_Kid95

Жыл бұрын

@@alchemistofsteel8099 I like Modern AVGN. He just got calmer as he grew up.

@Cool_Kid95

Жыл бұрын

@@gearguts7259 I think that’s it!

For the Simpson's 35th anniversary, they should do a HD opening that has the bus stop bunch (who run right to follow the bus to make the scene flow better), the random guy at the nuclear plant eating a sandwhich and the shots of Lisa on her bike.

@matthewlawton9241

Жыл бұрын

For the Simpsons' 35th anniversary they should not have a season 35. It's the only decent thing to do at this point.

@Xhepyxopila

6 ай бұрын

​@@matthewlawton9241naaaah

@LuluTheCorgi

6 ай бұрын

​@@matthewlawton9241nah then they stop making money The horse will be beaten until it stops moving

Out of frame, but forever in our hearts. We miss the Bus Stop Five

16:19 the "wittle gwin" part caught me off guard 😂😂

Wow, it's crazy how a cut scene from the opening led to such a wild rabbit hole of rules and regulations animators are given. Great video! It's always so fascinating to see some more obscure "behind-the-scenes" stuff like this

something about early the production methodology of the simpsons is fascinating, especially stuff like the "no evil expressions" bit.

@tiablue9106

Жыл бұрын

I agree, the fact that the simpsons are described as these impulsive creatures who don't plan their misdeeds is a little weird considering pranks are a big part of bart's personality. but ig they didn't wanna paint him as overly malicious?

@ChangedMyNameFinally69

Жыл бұрын

@Tia Blue Yeah because then the emotional moments can actually hit. It's what separates it from live action comedies like Seinfeld and IASIP and animated ones like South Park or Family Guy, the show isn't trying to make its characters do the most despicable things ever in increasing awfulness. It's a much older style of comedy, helps Simpsons actually had things to say unlike most of those.

@AluminumFusion22

Жыл бұрын

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Shows like Always Sunny and Seinfeld aren't bad shows, though. They're primarily there to tell jokes and in Always Sunny's case there IS character consistency. The viewer can catch on to little character quirks that each member of The Gang has, like Charlie's illiteracy and the famous Pepe Silvia gag. It's not painstakingly spelled out to the audience that Charlie is illiterate in the scene itself, but it's a consistent trait that he shows in some episodes, so the viewer can infer what's going on.

@ChangedMyNameFinally69

Жыл бұрын

@Scott Grant I never said they were, but they had different priorities. The Simpsons were almost innocent in the problems they caused unlike how malicious Jerry and his friends, the Gang, the Griffiths, or even Cartman are

@AluminumFusion22

Жыл бұрын

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 So they're more akin to the Belchers, then.

for some reason i keep watching this. its just so rewatchable for me

That's why I love watching the 1940-1950 Warner cartoons - many characters didn't yet have their designs and personalities completely set and a lot of cartoons contain various quirks that slowly disappeared into the 50s.

14:57 am I the only person that finds this whole part extremely unsettling?? Why is his face like that?? Is homer just a demon in a costume!?!?

@bonbonbonbons

4 ай бұрын

Life in Hell

A few words on Mrs. Gross; I think she does appear in that finished animation; it's just that the animator drew her a bit off-model. Her clothing and hairstyle did remain consistent. she has appeared in one episode fully; "The Telltale Head" from season 1. Look at the crowd of townsfolk when they see the headless statue for the first time; she'll be seen near the left in the front of the crowd, with orange hair. Not Mrs. Gross related, But the Candy most Dandy shopkeeper also from "The Telltale Head" is in "Streetcar Named Marge". He can be seen more clearly when the auditions for the play take hold, he is is also near Mrs. Gross, Just drawn weirdly in the final cut as well. These are just tiny nitpicks, but if the Bus stop group gets to have their time to shine; then so should this random background lady. It seems she caught the bus after all.

@Teemu_V

Жыл бұрын

As a huge Simpsons fan I was delighted to learn about Mrs. Gross. I didn't know she was supposed to be a minor character. Can't even find more info about her by googling!

@KairuHakubi

Жыл бұрын

@@Teemu_V yeah that was insane

I am patiently awaiting your next masterpiece.

I always heard people say animation takes a lot of time, but this kind of breaking down of things makes you realize it really takes A LOT of time.

The early days of Simpson animation are an absolute treat imo. I loveeee that early style! Sidenote; this has quickly become one of my favorite channels on KZread. Really interesting topics Ive never even thought about before

@JanetStarChild

Жыл бұрын

You _loveEEEEE?_ ...Of all the letters in the word 'love', why would you stretch out the one silent letter?

@imagery5425

Жыл бұрын

@@JanetStarChild grammar man.

@SirYodaJedi

Жыл бұрын

Loooove is a bit awkward as well, because it can be misread as that art museum in Paris.

@SonicMaster519

Жыл бұрын

Jesus Christ, everybody is getting in a fight over the word "love" and how to stretch it out. No need to whine about grammar, the point comes across, right?

animators are really some of the most talented and underappreciated professionals out there, Mad respect to all of you

makes me wonder if there's been anybody who followed all of these guides and created a fanmade but VERY convincing simpsons episode

@GaiaX5

3 ай бұрын

Oh, there are fans.

Guidelines for drawing like at 2:20 are such a godsend if you're working as an animator. It's simple to understand and VERY to the point with specific examples and short, concise explanations.

If this isn't the greatest video I've ever seen in my entire life, it is definitely in the top ten.

@Doomguythedoomslayer

Жыл бұрын

Verified youtuber with no replies how is this possible?

@Arri7979

Жыл бұрын

​@@Doomguythedoomslayer - People are sadly sleeping on Toonrific Tariq. His channel is amazing 🤩

In 2006, I tried out for layout on The Simpsons and was given a style guide packet exactly like the examples shown here. I didn't find it helpful, since at that point The Simpsons had changed to a more modern style, which does not allow for the sort of deviations seen in the early seasons. You really have to be perfectly on model, and they hadn't sent more modern model sheets. Having not drawn the characters before, I found it hard to work in the "perfected" modern style and did not get the job. I probably still have that material ...

@nemou4985

Жыл бұрын

u p l o a d

the fact that the character's run cycles are all the same makes it look like an episode from the original scooby doo. 21:12. I love it

Great video! Seeing "character bibles" is always super interesting! I remember talking to my friends about Dragon Ball Z, and how they didn't have a strict character bible for the show, but did for merchandise, and that's why characters would look weird as hell in certain scenes. It was because artists would do entire scenes on their own. Some artists had their own style, which was completely off compared to the characters' canon appearances. Sometimes, you'd get giant forehead Vegeta, Vegeta with dark red hair, Vegeta with super big eyes, Vegeta with boney collar bones, etc. all in the same episode! Sometimes they'd be crunching for time, and so scenes would look like absolute doo-doo on live TV, but would be reanimated and fixed on their DVD release. When Super came out, they had a rush of new artists working their butts off to cough out episodes as quick as possible, and you'd get rough animations that never had a chance to be brushed up before airing on TV. That's why we have that horrid SSJ3 Goku vs Berus fight scene where Goku's face and arms look like a badly painted action figure; in the DVD release that no one bought, it was polished and fixed up, but the damage was already done when it aired on TV and that same footage was distributed in anime pirating sites.

It blows my mind that twister head is a conscious stylistic choice and not an early season animation mistake.

@tiablue9106

Жыл бұрын

I always thought it looked p intentional. I'm no animation expert but I think it occurred too many times and for too many frames for that to be a mistake (but it does look weird lol)

The "Walleye" Marge from You Only Move Twice is probably mine and my brother's favourite bit of animation in the entire series. Julie Kavner nailed the reading of "I think owning the Denver Broncos is pretty good!" and the derp-eyed expression that goes along with it sells the joke perfectly.

It's a real testament to how talented the creators of The Simpsons were, in that the expressions and facial details they tried to avoid for stylistic cohesion are still really entertaining to look at. They only look "wrong" because were all visually literate in the particular look the shows animators/designers deliberately crafted, but they're really genuinely funny. The two rightmost accent drawings in this still (11:50) are amazing... xD I'm quite surprised they haven't yet been drafted into meme fodder.

This bro dropped fire and left

All of them running in the same run cycle could just be a reference to how old cartoons (like Scooby Doo) ran that way.

@shinyagumon7015

Жыл бұрын

Idk if it's deliberate but some of them even look like old school cartoon characters. Like the second to last one looks a lot like Barney Rubble to me.

@samp.8099

Жыл бұрын

They probably did that because 1. It's easier to animate and 2. It's more visually striking and funny to look at

13:39 that’s one hell of a transition

Non-standard Simpsons.

@Anths_art

4 ай бұрын

Real

@elliot_rat

4 ай бұрын

hi chat

great video!

@JimMilton-ej6zi

9 ай бұрын

Pp

@dreamybullcontent

8 ай бұрын

Pp

@quar_0

7 ай бұрын

@@dreamybullcontentambatubuuuuus

This video is incredible. You can tell the practical b-roll shots were put together meticulously, and they’re only on screen for a handful of seconds. The narration is perfect, the script is extremely well written, and music & sound design are super fitting. This level of production would feel right at home on Netflix or Discovery. The video is also incredibly well structured. Focusing on the bus stop gang provides a compelling consistent through-line, and enhances the understanding of what these rules actually look like in action. More than anything, the level of research that’s clearly gone into this makes it evident that these aren’t just your opinions or interpretations, but rather the facts & truth behind how these boards were really used. Incredible video. One of the best I’ve seen all year. So excited to watch your channel explode.

I love how aggressive Matt is in his Simpson handbook

Fun fact: the Bart seen at 2:39 holding the game controller with regular Bart pointing at him going "I'm Bart Simpson who the hell is that?" Was drawn by Mr.Warburton, AKA the guy who made Codename: Kids Next Door, when he did a test to apply for the show 🥲 He says it's a funny story now!

@meyague

Ай бұрын

the shoes and the mouth are a dead give away, that's so cool

@HarvoSpoon

11 күн бұрын

I can see a lil' bit of his trademark giant shoes and hands in there...

I really hate the "new" bus bunch. The old ones may break the rules, but the new ones look like a cheap imitation

There's a great irony in the bus stop crew being cut for time when the early seasons occasionally ran so short that they had those really long intros where you not only had the full opening sequence but the circus couch gag. And these days couch "gags" can take up over 2 minutes.

@dunebasher1971

9 ай бұрын

You may not have seen the comment from David Silverman above - the bus stop crew *weren't* cut for time, they were cut because they didn't fit with the tone of the show as it evolved. Character design issues aside, that group run cycle does look much more Hanna-Barbera than Simpsons.

If you didn’t know, the Simpsons changed their opening scene in season 2 because in season 1 there was an error in the opening scene where Lisa’s bike disappears when she goes into the house.

@tiablue9106

Жыл бұрын

there were several things they wanted to change like some of the colors and this bus stop part. also at homer's part at the power plant a dude behind him bites into a sandwich but the sandwich clearly stays whole; in the season 2 intro he's scrapped and replaced w/ burns & smithers

@KairuHakubi

Жыл бұрын

surely they could just fix that instead of doing a new intro No I think they wanted to do a new intro that showed the new characters

The segment about faces is pretty interesting. The design of the Simpsons really tries to keep things as simple as possible and as efficient as possible, so they want to do as much as they can with as little lines as possible. And then you have the segment about poses and how they should be "readable" even as a mere silhouette. Kinda reminds me of a sheet by Disney, that also said poses should never be symmetrical, so they are visually more interesting to look at. There is (or rather was) a certain webcomic artist, that was especially successful on Deviant Art, that didn't take these rules seriously and his art suffered as a result. The guy was particularly known for using way too many lines, especially in the faces of his characters, that usually made them look wrinkly and old. He also had issues drawing poses, oftentimes either making them have a poor silhouette or using very symmetric poses... well, it's no surprise despite having a sizeable fanbase for some time, his career ultimately went nowhere. Sad thing really, he wasn't terrible at drawing, he just had a few unfortunate habits and actively refused to acknowledge and improve his weaknesses as an artist.

@meyague

Ай бұрын

who is it

@h.a.9880

Ай бұрын

@@meyague I'm a bit uncomfortable saying it, cause the guy (to my knowledge) hasn't made a comic in many years and it feels kinda like kicking someone who's down on their luck already. The guy had a lot of potential (graduated from an art college, even), managed to be amongst the first couple really successful DeviantArt webcomic artists, but for a couple reasons, he just never quite took full advantage of it all: He didn't treat his fans well, was obsessed with criticism (and very childish about it, too) and worst of all, he at some point refused to work on improving his art, despite clear shortcomings. He took his fans for granted and had barely any positive interactions with them. No matter how respectfully, polite and well-intentioned, this artist viewed all criticism or recommendations as a personal insult and lashed out quite viciously - even against very dedicated fans. When commissioned to make an artwork, he'd not just take a _very_ long time to finish it, but he'd also outright use other people's artwork and trace it for parts of his "own" artwork. Tracing in general was something this guy was very fond of. His art got worse and worse over time, making beginner mistakes and cutting corners in ways to make his art look really bad (like boring poses, terrible composition, lackluster linework and so on). It certainly didn't help that he was a massive hypocrite about a lot of things and was incredibly toxic in general. And of course, he made a *lot* of excuses to blame his dwindling success on anyone but himself and his work ethics. I really _really_ don't want to be a douche about it, but the guy is a good example of what not to do when you want to become a cartoonist.

A RECENT KZread VIDEO WITH ACTUAL CAPTIONS 😭😭😭😭😭🥰 THANK YOU SO MUCH

@HogartHughes

Жыл бұрын

youtube removed the feature that allowed other people to submit captions for videos

@lonniecynth2240

Жыл бұрын

@@HogartHughes I know, that’s why I’m celebrating this video for having made captions by the creator

18:18 YOU GOT THE DUD!!

@l_guy

4 ай бұрын

He looks like you poindexter 😀

Man, the process of drawing a Simpsons character is more complicated than I ever thought

@meyague

Ай бұрын

it's actually not

I love how the no-no sheets is literally the first seasons style, meaning that the producers actively disallowed a style that gave the show way more personalty than it has today

@gtf234

Жыл бұрын

The first three seasons were animated by Klasky-Csupo, they also created the original shorts for Groening that were on The Tracey Ullman Show. These design guides first started coming into effect in the early 90's, when Klasky-Csupo was no longer animating the show beginning in 1992 when Gracie Films (the production company) pulled them and transferred the project to Film Roman. You might recognize their name because Klasky-Csupo was behind the bulk of Nickelodeon's Nicktoon roster like Rugrats, Ah Real Monsters, As Told by Ginger, Wild Thornberries, Rocket Power, etc as well as other adult cartoons like Duckman. The style guide is in a few ways purging Klasky-Csupo's stylistic calling cards from the designs; though they are responsible for many of the Simpsons' iconic staples like Marge's blue hair and them all being mustard yellow toned in the first place (it was a coloring decision by Gyorgyi Kovacs Peluce because Bart and Lisa's lack of distinct hairlines looked unsettling when they had normal human flesh tones; Marge's blue hair is because he thought it looked hilarious). Even the rules sampled in the video that are signed by Klasky-Csupo are calls for restraint on things that were their staples- and that's normal btw, they're the animation studio and part of their job is to bring to life the work as its creator wants and as the directors envision; and Groening prioritized simplicity and minimalism.

@gogokowai

Жыл бұрын

​@@gtf234 There's a fine line between "stylistic" and "ugly" that they frequently crossed. I'm not saying they were all bad and had no talent, but it definitely came off as rushed and sloppy rather than expressive and unique at times. Even with how nostalgic I feel about a lot of those shows, as a kid I just thought they were bad at drawing. It wasn't until later that I realized how hard it is to keep their weird character designs and wobbly lines consistent. Now it seems like a lot of effort went into making them look like child drew them.

@petrolak

Жыл бұрын

yeah, I feel like they went WAY too far later on with the rules and now everyone looks incredibly stiff.

@meyague

Ай бұрын

​@@gogokowaiyou don't know much about animation do you

I told my husband over a decade ago how these characters disappeared. He kept telling me I made them up and no such characters existed - especially since they were so hard to find on the internet back then. I knew I didn't make them up because my cousins and I would always wait for them to show up so we can point out the 'bart man' (i.e. the guy with the bart hair lol). Thankfully they started making an appearance online a few years ago and husband had to admit his defeat lol

They "optimized" the fun out of the animation decades ago. I'll always love that inconsistent, occasionally creepy early artwork.

@anotheryoutubeaccount5259

Жыл бұрын

...which the Simpsons isn't really. It's not a creepshow

@sarcasticguy4311

Жыл бұрын

@@anotheryoutubeaccount5259 Agreed. They have a "creepshow" once a season.

The fact that you’re able to make a 20 minute video analyzing a 2 second shot just goes to show how good the animation is in this show

12:40 *SIMPSONS DID IT!*

11:35 Marge's death glare on the lower left is so intense, it's even scarier than the weird accent drawings.

I know rules are there to keep it all consistent among the different artists, but... I love the early seasons and especially the shorts before the series started _because_ it's all so off-model and weird perspective. It has a lot more heart and character imo. The newer style with its rigid rules is so much more soulless.

@lethauntic

Жыл бұрын

I think that I agree with you to a degree, but I never liked the discussion about things like "soul" or "charm" and all that. Again, I see what you mean and I do share that same feeling to a point, but I don't agree with the idea that something needs to be off-model or really exaggerated to have charm or soul to it. I think there's an area where something like this could be off-model sometimes for exaggeration, though I guess at that point it would become on-model.

@seronymus

Жыл бұрын

I see you a lot. You know ZUN said no one in Gensokyo is gay and he's disgusted by degenerate western fans obsessed with ruining touhou right? Seek Christ

@TheLugiaSong

Жыл бұрын

@@lethauntic fair and I get your point, I suppose I mean it's drawn from feeling > rules. With more freedom to express something how you feel it should be expressed is more heartfelt than following set-in-place rules whose very purpose is to not allow that freedom of expression. I dunno how to word it, so I dunno if that makes sense.

@TheLugiaSong

Жыл бұрын

@@seronymus source: my ass, right? Yeah no he never said that, unless you can provide a reputable source? He has however expressed gratitude and appreciation for the fandom he has created. Japan historically is actually not homophobic at all, it was the west that introduced that idea through Christian religion and unfortunately some of that does remain in Japan to this day, however it is still nowhere near as homophobic as countries where Christianity is the majority. So politely, fuck off.

@seronymus

Жыл бұрын

@@TheLugiaSong that's a lot of words defending catching monkeypox dude. You know children use this site and you display this flag for millions of people around the world to think about poopy buttsex? Do your grandparents know what you look online? Touhou is a series of beauty and high culture. Even the atheist Soviets who slaughtered Christians en masse saw LGBT as capitalist decadent insanity. Think about it.

7:13 My name is Walter Hartwell White.

What a wonderful video! I was just rewatching the show and was struck by those bus-stop characters, intending to go look it up at some point, but then I stumbled upon your channel and boy-howdy did it illuminate all those gosh-dang-diddly little secrets that I was in the dark about.

This video was intensely informative. I'm learning a lot about animation lately and learning the rules behind one of my all-time favorites has been enlightening. Thank you.

As a 2D animator & lifelong Simpsons fan, it's like this video essay was tailor-made for my exact interests. Thank you so much, this was incredibly fascinating.

Oh hey a New video by a kid who left Stoop

@JoJoseTv7

Жыл бұрын

He left the Simpsons stop

@reda84.

Жыл бұрын

Oh hey a new song by american rap duo Kids See Ghosts

@InnerCityX

Жыл бұрын

The name gets me every time

@neoxus30

Жыл бұрын

Kid named Kid Leaves Stoop)

@JoJoseTv7

Жыл бұрын

@@neoxus30 stop! A kid leaves stop

this is my comfort video

I've never been a huge fan of the Simpsons, but I really appreciate the work that went into the rules of making the show so iconic. This is an awesome video! I love kinda niche stuff like this.

I didn't search for this, but am I glad this was recommended. It is a really interesting look at how precise the Simpson's character drawing needs to be. Makes you have even more respect for the skill of those artists!

11:14 I always called Twister Head the "Bart Twitch" and it was my favorite part of early Simpsons.

we miss you kid leaves stoop

@user-xw1wk8wx9i

2 ай бұрын

What happened

@timo4463

15 күн бұрын

@@user-xw1wk8wx9i hes fishing

Man, this was such a good watch. I don’t normally tune into animation videos since I gave up on that dream as a teenager, but this made me feel something. Great video, hope to see more from you.

I like how one of the passengers looks like Bart as an adult!

@i.m.evilhomer5084

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's apparently one of the reasons why they decided after scrap Bart & Lisa hair styles for background characters after season 1. The Simpsons crew didn't want people to mistake background characters for Simpsons family members.

15:06 just noticed that there’s a nod to Homer actually being Krusty the Clown on this page.

God I wish he made more videos

It’s amazing how consistent you are at knocking it out of the park

The production value of this video alone is outstanding. Gonna share it where I can - Deserves way more views.

Superb video. Very well produced, and it really shows how much care goes into the show.

This video is so well made. I’ve been noticing all the details you’ve put in throughout the video and it looks great!