I'm from Turin! I love my city and its history and I saw the Shroud once when I was little. The chapel in which it's normally conserved is a masterpiece of Piedmontese baroque by architect Guarino Guarini, commissioned by the duke Carlo Emanuele of Savoy in 1611-1667. One thing that makes this very underestimated city of Italy famous is indeed the Shroud.

@Botafogoplayground

2 жыл бұрын

Wrongly underestimated, because Turin is a wonderful city with fine architecture and a "stile" of its own.

@ven1805

2 жыл бұрын

And you have FIAT, correct?

@biancaverdeschi880

2 жыл бұрын

@@ven1805 correct. The FIAT industries were here. At some point they failed and they messed them up, but they were still an important part of the history of this city and Italy. Now FIAT doesn't exist anymore, it's been bought by a series of other bigger, more successful foreign car brands

@jomitmmm

2 жыл бұрын

Wow

@42much1

2 жыл бұрын

When will the Shroud be available to visitation again? I would like to visit it some day, if I may in this decade.

I'm 76 and long since accepting of the dispelling medieval theory and haven't given this a second thought since. I am amazed and taken aback by this information.

Barry's a great guy. He actually responds to emails.

@weareonebutmany4181

2 жыл бұрын

Yes he responded to mine... hes a wonderful man...

And you do a great job managing the pacing and the questioning of your guests as well as balancing that with their time to answer and expound

Having stood directly in front of this beautiful image, twice, just 10 feet away, you have absolutely no IDEA what it’s like, until you have done the same. I don’t use the word awsome often, very few awsome things for me. Terrific, beautiful, wonderful , but NEVER awsome. THIS IS AWSOME. Human words cannot describe this. My Lord is so creative.

@annari3747

2 жыл бұрын

Let's not forget that the Disciples of Jesus saw him as He Transfigured as a blinding brilliance on The Mount. It is written in The Gospel. Amen

@tomrhodes1629

2 жыл бұрын

"A picture is worth (more than) 1000 words." The Shroud is indeed the real deal. So is this: "The Book of God" at A Course in Truth. I'm the prophesied return of Elijah. But you shouldn't believe that, since you don't have good reason to. But it will take less than 10 minutes for you to read "The Book of God" online...and see if that doesn't "blow your mind." You are blessed.

I was suspicious of the authenticity of the shroud until I saw the radiographic evidence. Having a background in radiology, I realized this was proof positive this man was the resurrected Christ!!!

@Zed-Head

2 жыл бұрын

What about chromosome samples apparently only being of a mother? Is that an authentic fact?

@Zed-Head

2 жыл бұрын

@@Brother_Jack hematology from the blood on the shroud

@DaveCM

2 жыл бұрын

The thing is fake. It is proven. The dating proved it to be a fake. The weave was not from the first century. Only one team was ever allowed to examine it. There were multiple shrouds claimed to be those from Jesus. One was even claimed to have performed miracles but was later discovered to be Muslim.

@WitnessForJesus

2 жыл бұрын

@@DaveCM I thought they showed that the carbon dating was flawed.

@therealfronzilla

2 жыл бұрын

@@DaveCM he talked about this in this video. When it was carbon dated, the sample they took was from the part where the shroud was repaired after being damaged in a fire around the 11th century,. Watch the video dude, then comment.

The first time I read about this research was in a magazine called unexplained, in the early 80s (I was 13 or 14 years of age) in Belfast, Ireland. The magazine consisted of various stories about ESP, UFOs and the Shroud of Turin. It was around 11pm when I started reading about the Shroud, the house was empty apart from an elderly aunt and myself. The house was part of a terrace block and anyone who would visit , would do this from the front door. A strange thing occurred as I read the story about the shroud, a feeling of euphoric elation came over me, a feeling that I was reading about something that was profoundly sacred. But at the very same moment the outside door handle at the back of the house started to rattle as if someone or something wanted into the house. This movement of the door handle persisted for about a minute, then stopped. When I walked to the door no one was there. Considering no one used that back door particularly if they were visiting and because of the late hour, the event was more than unsettling, it was quite frightening. There seemed like a supernatural element to the whole event, something I can't shake off all these years after.

@jacobitewiseman3696

2 жыл бұрын

Stay away from the aliens for they are demonic entities. Watch in the morning the video UFOs, nephilim Giants, and the early church fathers by defeat modernism.

@garobinson33

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacobitewiseman3696 true!

@zengfukushang532

2 жыл бұрын

bollocks

@djg585

2 жыл бұрын

"Behold, I stand at the door and knock."

@reneeharagsim4720

2 жыл бұрын

@Darren good for you! Praise be to our Lord Jesus Christ!

I am very pleased to have stumbled across this, I followed the work back in the seventies, as a teen in high school, and throughout, and always considered the "evidence" of fake must have been taken from "the repaired section", despite denials throughout the years. I'd studied the pictures in the museum, copies probably, and in magazines, Pop. Mechanics, Science, Discover, and considered it absolute, from my own perspective. It was clear to me, from simply the magazine pictures of the seventies, the vast difference between the original, and the repaired material, it was well dated by history, fire repairs and such, so this is vindicating the Shroud finally, in public, open. I'm a Christian, wasn't at the time, although a believer, just stubborn, and am pleased it's still being fought, it always demonstrates the resistant to the "old truths", which I saw at three, six, in Spain and Italy, a "navy brat", walking through history with elder sister, and Librarian Mom, I'm very pleased to see this brought out like this. Thank you very much. Semper Fidelis, John McClain, GySgt, USMC, ret.

@stultusvenator3233

2 жыл бұрын

Now we know it is complete Hoax along with many others. Raises a lot of questions.

Love the way you thoughtfully guided the conversation while mostly respectfully listening.

@vonhalberstadt3590

2 жыл бұрын

Skilled

@dannybaseball2444

2 жыл бұрын

Had exactly the opposite reaction. Brian seemed preoccupied with his notes and talking points. Frankly he seemed impatient at times with the enthusiastic guest. It's an age thing. When you get to the last of your competent years--and dwindling time is at the forefront of your thoughts--you are rushed to get it all out, what you've learned, what's important to know. A joyful brain dump while the mechanism still works. Brian is at the center of his intellectual/soul pursuits. Measured and focused, keeping a complex life in hand. All appropriate, if in this case a tad rude to my eyes. As I said, it's an age thing.

@kenvee9446

2 жыл бұрын

As usual

@garobinson33

2 жыл бұрын

@@dannybaseball2444 going on almost 90 years, brain still sharp as a tack, I fully understand what you are saying, Mr. Dan. I have stood very close to the Shroud, twice in my long life. Awesome, beautiful, inspiring, holy. And I do love Brian, he is so ....NOW.

@allingtonmarakan1436

2 жыл бұрын

@@garobinson33 Truly an awesome, beautiful and inspiring piece of medieval art. The guy who made it was a genius.

It's amazing, the photographer validated the shroud in every aspect that he talks about but yet is so stubborn that he doesn't want to believe his own findings.

@steveacfield6131

2 жыл бұрын

He does believe. He openly says it's Jesus. What is your point? Does he have to call him God or something? That is NOT going to happen. His JOB was to prove or disprove the Shroud. He, and many many others, PROVED it is authentic.

It’s sad that there are so many articles out there that claim the Shroud is a fake, and they use sources that they misrepresent to suggest it’s fake. This interview has been an eye opener! Thank you

@therealatheistexperience7654

2 жыл бұрын

What’s even more sad, is how gullible religious folks are and buy into these scams so easily….

@gch8810

2 жыл бұрын

@@therealatheistexperience7654 What’s even more sad is that anti-theists believe that everything can from nothing.

@therealatheistexperience7654

2 жыл бұрын

@@gch8810 so who created the " creator"? And what evidence do you have for those claims?🤔

@soulcutterx13

2 жыл бұрын

@@therealatheistexperience7654 Logically nothing could have because he was not created. I say this as if it were a proven fact, but it's not, of course, materially provable. It's logically demonstrable, however. There are only two options open to us; either we accept SOME uncreated creator, OR we accept the notion of infinite energy. That is to say, as Aristotle said, all created things must, by definition, have a creator. As you yourself note, this continues ad infinitum. You have parents, have parents, have parents, back through evolution until we have the first life on earth, which was created by free carbon, which was created by atmosphere around the earth, etc, back to the big bang. This is fairly standard secular thought, right? So we can either suppose that the big bang was caused by something that existed in advance of it; or it was there before anything. But if it regresses infinitely, how can it not progress infinitely? And if we accept an infinite big bang, how is that meaningfully different from a creator, from the limited perspective of natural logic? So then we proceed further, and we suppose some other infinite creative force, which in a series of creations, was not itself created. Now I hear many people say that they could imagine a universe which goes on infinitely; the big bang theory fails to support this, given that the universe continues to accelerate outward and shows no signs of potential retraction. But this operates by the same theory as the infinite energy machine, which powers itself indefinitely. Science has derided and will continue to deride such things as a physical impossibility, and I'm inclined to agree with that assessment. But then, whence motive creation in the universe?

@allingtonmarakan1436

2 жыл бұрын

@@soulcutterx13 Special pleading for your non-existent sky wizard. Everything that exists had to have a beginning, (according to WIlliam Lame Cwaig), so when did your god begin and what caused him to begin existing? Rational thinkers do NOT believe everything came from nothing. For a start, define 'nothing'. "NO-THING" does not exist. Even in the supposedly empty vacuum of space, fundamental particles are popping in and out of existence all the time.

Big Thanks to Barry...a smart humble honest person chosen to expound the shroud. May God bless him...

When we lived in Germany we went to a cathedral where the shroud was displayed, along with artifacts..the omnipresent was humbling at best...there are zero words for it....

I love Barrie Schwortz! He *will* come home eventually...prayer will do the rest. :D In the meantime, I think the fact that he's *not* yet a Christian lends his research and his website more credibility. God knows what He's doing.

@mapinoita279

2 жыл бұрын

❤️👍❤️👍

@marieloucaccam500

2 жыл бұрын

I AGREE THE JEWS NEED TO EMBRACE CHRIST NOW AS THEIR MESSIAH COZ HE TRULY IS

@sledzeppelin

2 жыл бұрын

Hundreds of generations of humans have lived and died saying "he's coming back soon, no, really he is this time!" Christians are the most gullible humans on the planet.

Loved this presentation. I'm thankful for this man's work and testimony. Sadly the "Jesus-as-a-brave guy-who-died-for-what-he-belived-in" as the highest praise he can muster is a flat note to any Christian. As C.S. Lewis said about the notion that Christ was a great teacher and that's enough, "It's not an option. He didn't make it available to us. He was either precisely who He said He was or a madman on a par with a man who claims he's a poached egg." At least he admitted he hasn't completely dismissed the idea he might be wrong. A shoe dropped in his deliberations back in the 90s. Let's pray for the other shoe to drop. He's got one foot in the dugout. Would love to have him on the team full time. God bless you, Mr Holdsworth, for your exceptional online presence and Catholic witness.

Barry Schwartz is a fantastic man... hes testimony is worth his weight on gold, I belive this man... and he's a good man.

@allingtonmarakan1436

2 жыл бұрын

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

@marvalice3455

2 жыл бұрын

@@allingtonmarakan1436 you disagree?

@weareonebutmany4181

2 жыл бұрын

@YAJUN YUAN ohh okay and your source?

I saw a documentary on the various speculations how an image like this could have been made/ emerged. One of them said this was made in the moment of the resurrection as an unimaginably strong light emanated from the body itself. I am very much drawn to this idea and the explanations seemed to hold together very neatly. I cannot understand why there is such silence, almost embarrassment, around the Shroud. Everybody drops it like a hot potato when it has been proven time and time again that this is not a forgery.

@allenanderson4911

2 жыл бұрын

I heard the light emitted theory. I've always wondered why the hair and beard would emit light. It's dead protein cells. The body I get why it might emit radiation, but hair?

@cafecomescrita

2 жыл бұрын

@@allenanderson4911 There is dna there - Our Lord DNA. We are talking about a divine person, I'd say this is not simply "dead protein cells", it's divine protein cells.

@AnitaBarneycastle

2 жыл бұрын

Your last sentence explains everything. There are opposing forces that benefit from the confusion.

@anneveronica6231

2 жыл бұрын

I have heard DNA has light - and the moment of the RESURRECTION every cell came alive

@deadmetal8692

2 жыл бұрын

I've come across that one too. That the amount of light was way beyond our capacity to recreate even with our most advanced technology. There is also a video out there that used the shroud to generate a 3D composite of Christ's body. Where they estimated over 600~800 wounds to his body. May have been the same documentary actually.

Great format! I love your monologues. Still, interviews here and there, focusing on topics like this help build one's imagination in their beliefs. These things are genuinely interesting and compelling in and of themselves. In a religion which some can feel so bored with or feel that the regiment and routine is maybe suffocating sometimes, these are the things that help bring me back into a passion and genuine interest in my beliefs

You look bored and anxious to get onto your next question. Forgetting that you are on camera. He is fabulous! So energetic and enthusiastic ! AND knowledgeable !!

@worldtraveler5639

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Barrie Schwortz is interesting. It goes to show you no matter how much evidence people can still deny the resurrection.

Very well done by Brian, and excellent responses from Barrie. Altogether one of the best ( and most recent ) Shroud videos on youtube

The evidence for the shroud being genuine is staggering. God bless

@larzhillbot1443

2 жыл бұрын

False the evidence is staggering its mid evil lol

@larzhillbot1443

2 жыл бұрын

@Cathy Greene No evidence for any thing Mystical lol

@ramigilneas9274

2 жыл бұрын

@Cathy Greene Or… it’s a forgery that wasn’t mentioned by anyone ever until the 13th century. And there were many other fake shrouds that came earlier.😂

@larzhillbot1443

Жыл бұрын

@@ShroudofTurinISAuthentic NOT

The Fatima center has wonderful info on the shroud. I believe the shroud is the burial cloth of Christ. I look at the face of Jesus everyday.

OMG! Thank youuu! 🙏 for this interview, it was a pleasure to listen to.

@jonathannixon8652

2 жыл бұрын

Hi, this is a friendly rebuke when you say the omg thing its actually blasphemy. Because your taking the name of God invain. Without due honor.Godly Jews don't write or even say his name because its so Holy.

@ticamonica

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonathannixon8652 silly question….but what abut when we meant to say “gush” not god.

@tomrhodes1629

2 жыл бұрын

Those who appreciate (are grateful) will appreciate (increase; get more). That's the meaning of the parable of the talents. And here is more: The Shroud is indeed the real deal. So is this: "The Book of God" at A Course in Truth. I'm the prophesied return of Elijah. You shouldn't believe that, since you don't have good reason to. But it will take less than 10 minutes for you to read "The Book of God" online...and see if that doesn't "blow your mind." You are blessed.

I have been reading about the Holy Shroud since I was a child, (I am 80 years old). I was fascinated by the story of the first photo by the Italian photographer. The camera was a fairly new contraption at that time and the first photo that was made of the Shroud did reveal the first miracle.

@Lion_Hamza

2 жыл бұрын

Your 80? Any proof?

@sotem3608

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lion_Hamza You're proof? Any 80?!

@stultusvenator3233

2 жыл бұрын

Now we know it is complete Hoax along with many others. Raises a lot of questions.

@daytonagreg8765

2 жыл бұрын

Very cool. You could write an article on your perspective over time. 👍🙏

@daytonagreg8765

2 жыл бұрын

@@sotem3608 Proof 80? You’re any?

There is a small church not far from NYC on Rt. 3 in New Jersey. It's called the "Holy Face Monastery". It's a beautiful little church sitting high on a hill where it can be seen for miles because there is a large cross on the steeple. Near the altar of the church, there is a side room with many artifacts and photographs of the Holy Shroud. Two very large photographs of the Shroud are displayed just behind the Altar I've stopped there many times to visit. I highly recommend anybody living near the NYC area to visit the Holy Face Monastery.

Let us pray for the continual working of the Holy Spirit in the heart of Barrie Schwortz that he may truly see that Man in the shroud for who He is, and that he will come to everlasting faith.

@joewillwin3097

2 жыл бұрын

Amen

@davidgutierrez294

2 жыл бұрын

Barrie Schwortz was of Jewish heritage origin and faith but is now Catholic in case people don't know He found the true Church founded by Jesus Christ himself by studying the Holy Shroud

@rockn997

2 жыл бұрын

The shroud was created from the energy, remember the one story where he ran into Mary and he told her not to touch him. It was an energy force of his spirit

@dadsonworldwide3238

2 жыл бұрын

Can't fulfill God's promises if we save all jews today now can we. Lol

@dadsonworldwide3238

2 жыл бұрын

@Islayman.you Failed to work me with respect, whats with the hateful tone and name calling, is this your work you belive in? Its nothing to get upset over. Apoerantly your uneducated to all theology and fear knowing all things as scripture encourages us to do . But If ya want understand , With good faith your clearly going to perform good works. Its not a by faith argument ,its one made a big deal by higher archy church structures that must push works. Ita at yiur foundation of theology it influences doctrine from very start down. You lose free will it become demernistic God creating humans for hell. By grace of God alone. It covers no one that way . All churches agree we live in the church age . Pre temple is under mosaic law in this age its a time of sacrifice "works' and "faith" clearly noah had to have faith to then work on a boat.lol. Here in church age it is no calling for such encantations ,works of sacrifice or anything of this ritualistic nature. Remembrance is it. Tribulation is all works. Gonna require work to refuse the mark of the beast. By faith is removing that one foot from this human world corrupted by the sin of man and Satan. Its choosing a pure path to be chosen to go and pave the way along with those few martyrs in waiting. First he takes the dead them living. They will sit on his right shoulder and prepare the way. Then the first seal of Tribulation is broken. . You can make that concoius decision to stay behind and help. By doing so you can have the wealth of this world you like along the way. Enrich yourself in canes world by doing so you enrich the church power and influence. This is your calling not mine .

A little FYI family and friends full of archaeologists who deal with carbon 14 dating: you will have to use other methods because the shroud has been in an intense fire and is made of linen, one of the materials whic "re-sets" its carbon 14 clock back to the beginning in the presence of intense fire conditions. Whether you take a sample from the original cloth or from the 14th century repair patches, they both will show the same date result: the time of the fire. Clay does the same thing, which is how the "re-set" was discovered some years ago in London: a row of medieval foundations was subjected to archaeological survey prior to putting new buildings in site. It was a provable fact that these were medieval buildings, spanning a number of centuries among them. Yet the C14 testing showed them to be exactly the same age and the date given for their creation was WW2. That's because all these buildings were destroyed be Hitler's fire-bombing of parts of London. And the buildings were clay brick. This launched a series of studies to find out what ELSE "re-sets" in fire. Linen is one such material. So all the debate about C14 testing is moot.

dude, this was FASCINATING! awesome job, brian.

When I'm on the first glorious mystery, the shroud is the first thing that pops in my head.

I am from Berks County Pennsylvania. I visit the Padre Pio shrine ...it's not far from where I live. God is with us.

This interview is exceptional! I have never heard a more informed individual on this topic! This is deep powerful content!

@stultusvenator3233

2 жыл бұрын

Now we know it is complete Hoax along with many others. Raises a lot of questions.

Thank you so much for sharing this interview!...

Hello, I have followed this good man Barrie, for many years and also the Shroud. This is from Jesus Christ, definately. It proves that something special happened 2000 years ago and should point us to the Bible and to the message of salvation Jesus preached and after that Paul and the other apostles. Forgiveness is preached to those who believe and also a gift of becoming children of God by the new birth, if we repent and turn our lives around to do good and live righteously. The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus was the Jewish Messaih who was rejected by the authorities and was killed and His death God used to save mankind.

@marieloucaccam500

2 жыл бұрын

CHECK 1 CORINTHIANS CHAPTER 15 VERSE 51 ....SAINT PAUL SAID BEHOLD I SHOW YOU A MYSTERY ..I BELIEBE 100% SAINT PAUL SHOWED THE SHROUD OF HEAVENLY LIGHT TO THE CORINTHIANS

@fcastellanos57

2 жыл бұрын

@@marieloucaccam500 The mystery Paul was showing is not the shroud, it is what is going to happen at the resurrection.

@remedy9648

2 жыл бұрын

🙏💜🙏

Brian Holdsorth, thank you so much for hosting this interview. Barrie, always wonderful seeing you speak so passionately about your experiences with the science of the Shroud of Turin.

What a gem to find during Lent! I am grateful to Barrie Schwortz for giving this interview, and thank you, Brian, for an interview that goes beyond this sacred relic itself and also explores the impact this has had on Mr. Schwortz, too.

@beverlygraham4724

Жыл бұрын

❤

What difference does it make what belief system? 'Who do you say that I Am?' It may take a long time, but the Truth will out .. if we dare to let it. And that, my dears, is the stark reality required in the Catholic Faith, whether we/ our pastors currently like it or not ... ;o) St Joseph : Stand by us. Keep the Faith; tell the truth, shame the devil, and let the demons shriek. God bless. ;o) P.S. A very big thank you to Barrie Schwortz for all his sterling effort in getting the 'message' out there. A longish chat with Gospel Simplicity would be another real treat .. if possible.

@tomrhodes1629

2 жыл бұрын

TRUTH is at the core of all religions. But you have to MINE in order to FIND. (Blind faith is blind.) The Shroud is indeed the real deal. So is this: "The Book of God" at A Course in Truth. I'm the prophesied return of Elijah. You shouldn't believe that, since you don't have good reason to. But it will take less than 10 minutes for you to read "The Book of God" online...and see if that doesn't "blow your mind." You are blessed.

Back in the fall of 2019 I attended an exhibit of the Shroud here in Langley, BC at St Joseph's parish. It was presented by Dr Cheryl White, a board member of STERA and an associate of Mr Schwortz. This event was the first time I had heard in any kind of depth an examination of the evidence revealed by the studies conducted by the team Mr Schwortz was a part of. Previous to that my only knowledge was that commonly perpetuated in the popular culture (medieval forgery, debunked by scientists in the 80s, etc). Dr White was exceptionally impressive in her discourse on the topic, going into great detail about the history of the Shroud as well as the findings from both the initial studies and the later controversies. While I agree wholeheartedly with the statement that "For those with faith no evidence is necessary, and for those without no evidence will suffice", the existence of the Shroud and the passionate dedication of the people who pass on their intimate knowledge of it only deepens and enriches my faith in our Lord and saviour, Jesus Christ.

@ironymatt

2 жыл бұрын

To clarify: the exhibit was *on* the Shroud, complete with full-size replica, but not *of* the actual Shroud itself.

@sledzeppelin

2 жыл бұрын

"examination of the evidence" Doesn't evidence destroy faith?

@ironymatt

2 жыл бұрын

@@sledzeppelin why would evidence destroy faith?

@sledzeppelin

2 жыл бұрын

@@ironymatt Isn't believing just to believe it kind of the point? God doesn't seek to prove his existence, you just have to believe it, is what I've always been told when I ask Christians about it. If you have evidence, then you're no longer believing on faith.

@ironymatt

2 жыл бұрын

@@sledzeppelin it's "both/and", rather than "either or". At any rate, if you ask 100 different people what they mean by something, you'll get 100 differing opinions (not necessarily by a lot, but as a means of arriving at truth it has it's limits - especially if conducted via KZread). If you truly want to understand as fully as possible, look at how the Catechism of the Catholic Church characterizes faith - it isn't the blind mindless act that you're describing.

So interesting! And, am I the only one that noticed Brian’s change in body language and attitude during the course of the interview? For the first part, where the details of the science was being presented he seemed distant, distracted, perhaps even uninterested. Then, when they started talking about how Barrie felt about the spiritual aspects of his involvement with the shroud, and how it changed his life, Brian comes alive, starts smiling, starts leaning forward, starts looking and sounding engaged with the topic.

Really excellent Video. Barry comes over as so authentic,and you conducted the interview very effectively.

I wonder: are you planning to do videos other miraculous things (St Juan Diego's tilma, for example) or events (like the miracles at Fatima)? Because that would be a cool series. I suppose it depends if you're wanting to do an interview show for each. Either way, I'd enjoy them!

@Thomasfboyle

2 жыл бұрын

Brian the people demand it you must deliver! +1 vote for Our Lady of Guadalupe

@rosiegirl2485

2 жыл бұрын

@@Thomasfboyle I would love that...I would like to add the image left in the rock at Our Lady of Las Lajas! We have a good and loving God! I believe that He knows, as humans, that these tangible things really helps us with our faith! Eucharistic Miracles are amazing too! Thank you Jesus! 🌷

@Jess-md5uc

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! A video on my favorite..Our Lady of Guadalupe plz! Last night I was looking in both of my calendars and they didn’t have the feast day for Our Lady of Guadalupe. Wasn’t sure why that was…

@cindyrobertson3798

2 жыл бұрын

Ooh yes ! And travel is a tax write off!

@wellexcuuseme4012

2 жыл бұрын

The paint on the seam is chipping. The moon was repainted to be larger. The original crown was removed by painting over it. The gold stars were a later addition. When did Juan Diego ever exist? I believe in lots of things but I don't have to believe everything.

I didn't know that Robert Deniro was working with the shroud of Turin for 27 years, amazing.

Hi Brian thank you for doing this. Actually I wanted to listen about the Shroud because I am tired of the recent news. For a change I want to listen a talk over one very old subject.

The documented history is The Shroud itself. The Shroud is it’s best witness. We know where The Shroud has been through the 54+ pollen samples that The Shroud contains. That cloth has traveled a lot during it’s existence, and The Shroud has a story to tell. We know The Shroud was weaved around the southern most point of the Dead Sea. The Shroud moved to the northern most point of the Dead Sea. The Shroud was in Jerusalem, and then Turkey. We know The Shroud was on an island mentioned in The Holy Bible in the care of Paul. The Shroud visited south Eastern Europe before finding it’s way to France where it was in a fire. Some scholars say The Shroud was in to fires. The Shroud found it’s way to Turin, and then was moved to Rome for awhile, and then found it’s way back to Turin. The Holy Shroud has a story that can be supported by written documentation. GOD Bless!

This man is fantastic! Filled with joy! An awesome Jewish guy! Filled now with the Holy Spirit. Thank you for having him on! Love this. Brian you have a great smile and you are also so serious! 😄 smile more…ok? I can see you thinking while listening! 🤔 I am almost the age of your guest. A gramma. So I can say you are cute! Haha I love watching you both on this. I guarantee that Jesus loves you both. You are both unique. God made you both for such a time as this! I loved this! He and you should watch THE CHOSEN! He is probably more deeply into his faith than many Catholics-Christian!!! Love this! Thank you!

When all of us other humans die, that’s one thing. But when the Creator of the universe, the Alpha and the Omega, the “I Am” dies, no wonder a special phenomenon accompanies the event. It’s kind of a big deal!

@mjramirez6008

2 жыл бұрын

Shelly that's when He returned to life

@mapinoita279

2 жыл бұрын

@@mjramirez6008 , yes, of course! And I always kind of assumed that the image on the shroud was made at the moment of resurrection. I imagine that was a moment accompanied by tremendous power and energy. But when I realized from watching this video that the image is of a dead man, it made me think more deeply about what it meant for God (God!) to die.

@driller7714

2 жыл бұрын

God didn’t die.

@timward3142

2 жыл бұрын

Shelly Imagawa So you Creationist believer? FYI the idea of a Creator went out the window around sixty or so years or so with the emergence of Evolution which, as a matter of record, is taught in every major University in the world including Oxford and Cambridge.

@driller7714

2 жыл бұрын

@@timward3142 Major universities teach many things, critical race theory for instance. (as if there was more than one race of human being). Tell me sir, what tree did Adam and Eve eat from? It was the tree of knowledge. The wisdom of men is foolishness to God. Science is theory. A deduction of men. It is not fact nor is it set in stone. It is partial truth or some truth mixed with much assumption. Theory is not fact. An example would be with our current situation. The “science”has changed much hasn’t it? The men of science can’t figure out things happening right now, much less things that happened thousands of years ago. Science tells us that the entire universe expanded from something smaller than a single atom. If that is truly the case, That sounds like creation to me friend. Isaiah “44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone. KJV Look at the wording. He STRETCHED FORTH the Heavens. Sounds like science agrees with scripture friend. What does science say the first organisms come from? I believe their description is primordial ooze. From earth. From water and soil. What does God say Adam is created from? Genesis “2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”KJV Also, God created the beasts of the earth and the foul of the air before he created man. All of this fits perfectly with science doesn’t it? Man was Gods final creation. The scientific timeline of events fits with this doesn’t it? Man has not been on this earth long. Before you go on saying that God created the heavens and the earth in only six days, realize that you are determining your time by a planet that didn’t exist spinning around a star that didn’t exist. Kind of foolish when you think about it. The Bible tells us that a man’s life is but the blink of an eye to God. If that is so, how long is a day to God? Think about it. You can put your faith in science. I will put my faith in God. God Bless

I like the fact that there is a confident measure of uncertainty in Barrie’s mind and that he is able to hold that tension in one hand while simultaneously believing in God fully in the other, is impressive! If we demand certitude in this situation, then in essence, the Shroud becomes and idol. Whereas the image itself, asks us to have faith that he did in fact rise from his death.

The Worlds first Selfie 8). Made for us by God as a witness at the end of time! Viva Christo Rey!!

@BindingTheYoke

2 жыл бұрын

worlds first photocopy tho /:)

@warrenoleary7172

2 жыл бұрын

Amen !

@ashwith

2 жыл бұрын

World's first 3D scan! :-)

@MrJuggernautishere

2 жыл бұрын

that's a fantastic way of putting it

@kbeetles

2 жыл бұрын

A selfie? You mean those photos that people take of themselves with fake smiles to prove to others what a great time they are having? Is THAT what you mean??

I have studied the shroud for years…no question in my mind that’s it’s real and authentic.

@commendatore2516

2 жыл бұрын

scientists in 21st century cannot duplicate the shroud or come even close to the shroud, let alone some medieval guy could do it back then, right...

@Gwaithmir

2 жыл бұрын

@@commendatore2516 It isn't the purview of scientists to reproduce the Shroud. Several artists have produced copies of the Shroud or portions of it, however, using materials available during medieval times. Joe Nickell has demonstrated a number of times how the Shroud was made using powdered aloes and cotton daubers.

@scottlouissmith2382

2 жыл бұрын

Well John, what's your definition of "studying"?

@1974jrod

2 жыл бұрын

100 percent its old, 100 percent it never covered Jesus or any other human for that matter.

@1960taylor

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gwaithmir bullshit

There are some really good documentaries on this, that the best explinations that we have is that shroud is a a photograph of the moment of the resurrection, that the image was burned into the shroud at the moment of great release of energy. So...God even made a photo of his resurrection. So sad to see that the guy who is part of the publication on this still can't believe in Jesus as his Lord and Saviour. I'd say, this man should be strongly prayed for by all of us who do believe in Jesus. Lord, here is a real real Nicodemus, give him faith in you, that he may believe.

@luispenedo

2 жыл бұрын

How would you explain his lack of belief? What rationale must he follow in order to justify his conclusions?

@sara505sings

Жыл бұрын

God's covenant with the Jews is eternal, whether he adopts a prescribed (by you) form of religion, or not.

A miracle is a miracle ... “Blessed are those who have not seen but believed,”

@hymns-hymns

Жыл бұрын

Amen

lmfao at brian getting this guy to validate his long hair 🤣🤣🤣

@joolz5747

2 жыл бұрын

The guest had long hair also! He had a ponytail! Watch The Chosen too. The seem to try to be accurate about the culture then, hair etc! 😄😃👏

@francophone.

2 жыл бұрын

@Chase Moore That is a very good point

@weareonebutmany4181

2 жыл бұрын

Hes just trying to draw our attention to his hair which he's obviously modelled to look like Jesus!!! A childish and pathetic attempt to liken himself to jesus... of jesus had l9ng hair he certainly wasn't white! Its pathetic how anglo Saxon people think of jesus as one of their race... he was everything mist of them play superior over... he was a middle Eastern man... not white with red hair...

@weareonebutmany4181

2 жыл бұрын

@Chase Moore and your animosity isn't exactly "in the spirit of what Jesus was teaching " you hypocrite... trying to remove a splinter in my eye whilst you got a tree in yours?

@weareonebutmany4181

2 жыл бұрын

@Chase Moore go and chastise your wife... if you got one you heathen

Over an hour of discussion and there's still so much more to say!

I performed a basic forensic evaluation of the shroud of Turin and the results left me crying. I'm not sure if it's belonging to The Lord, but the injuries I personally examines from that article were very brutal.

@douglasrasmussen480

2 жыл бұрын

When did you do this forensic evaluation? Did you publish your findings? If so, in what forum - be specific with dates, volumes, etc. The Vatican only lets a very select few examine the shroud so from where did you gain permission?

Great program. Thank you for the presentation. Blessings and prayers for you and your ministry.

This was a fascinating and insightful interview. Thanks to you Brian, and Barrie, for this dialogue. God bless you both. P.S. Nice chalice.

@antoinettetidey2430

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing about that “nice chalice”. 🤩🙏🏼

Thank you so much Brian Holdsworth. It was very interesting to listen to Barry Schwartz

Awesome job man, great interview

Wow. That was an amazing interview!

This is excellent. Great job on the video, and very interesting guest👍

I don’t understand why they didn’t go into detail about the scientific evidence. While this was an enjoyable and respectful conversation, there is almost zero in here that I can share with skeptical friends, except a man, claiming to be an expert because he was present, expressing his conviction that it is real. But there’s almost not evidence presented for other skeptics to consider. It’s almost as if they assume the viewer is already familiar with all the details. I confess myself very disappointed with the interview, after all. I was hoping for a good-quality interview of Barry giving his entire presentation with clear images of his photographic evidence, since all of Barry’s other presentations that I can find are filmed at churches with poor audio and blown-out video, rendering his photos detail less.

@tomrhodes1629

2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps this will assuage your disappointment somewhat. Because, if you didn't watch this video and make this comment, you wouldn't have received this: The Shroud is indeed the real deal. So is this: "The Book of God" at A Course in Truth. I'm the prophesied return of Elijah. You shouldn't believe that, since you don't have good reason to. But it will take less than 10 minutes for you to read "The Book of God" online...and see if that doesn't "blow your mind." You are blessed.

@ritapacheco8084

2 жыл бұрын

They speak about the scientific evidence throughout the interview (ie: Barry explains that they used light to determine whether or not the fabric had been scorched to achieve the look that it had, and the result was that it was not scorched) that’s in my own words but that for sure is SPEAKING of scientific tests etc. Maybe give it another listen? I think I’m sold but I’m a believer anyway so it was an easy sell for me ;) plus he refers to his website throughout where you can find “data” that may help you

3 Aves for you 🌹🌹🌹🙏🏻 that this channel may be for the Lord's work, and for Barry 🌹🌹🌹🙏🏻 Our Blessed Mother, Daughter of King David, pray for Barry to draw ever nearer to God that he might fulfill the purpose for which God created him 🙏🏻

Just was an amazing interview...so honest, so insightful...just amazing. God's Grace has Blessed this.

it is always a joy to hear barrie. The new thing I take away from this viewing is that the experiment with blood and bilirubin could not be repeated by another scientist. I am intrigued.

One would think that if a technology that was used to create the shroud existed it would have been passed down thru the generations and there would have been other examples of images of other individuals. I haven’t heard that there are others.

@TheLeftRbabieskillers

2 жыл бұрын

Good point.

@ronaldmachado757

2 жыл бұрын

It took us 1800 years to realize the so called oxidised yellow was a photographic negative. About a couple of hundred years more to get the three dimensional part and now it seems that we can use laser scanning to get more precise info and possibly create a stroboscopic recreation of the Resurrection... God always has the last laugh and THE WORD has probably packed more data in the Simple Shroud than in all the Books of the Bible... God bless the Scientists who are unravelling the Secrets of the Shroud...

@DayLateGamerWill

2 жыл бұрын

it is, its this weird thing called "Photography" You should check it out, might be big in the future

@abbajim

2 жыл бұрын

@@DayLateGamerWill oh thanks I hadn’t heard of that

@jotunman627

2 жыл бұрын

The Gospels also tell us there was a second cloth, folded and separate from the other. Jewish law requires that anything containing the victim’s blood or bodily fluids be buried with the body. Once Jesus was taken down from the cross, his face and head were wrapped in a smaller cloth or napkin, which absorbed the blood and fluids from his nose and mouth. This second cloth, known as the Sudarium, has also survived to the present day and is now kept in the cathedral in Oviedo, Spain, where it has resided since the 7th century. If the sudarium is placed on the facial image of the Shroud of Turin, it is apparent that they depict the image of the same man.

I had literally *just* been thinking of this earlier today.

Outstanding

Thanks Brian, very well done!

Great interview but I’m so disappointed in his lack of conversion! I just can’t wrap my mind around it, especially with his devotion to sharing/speaking about the shroud. I used to be agnostic and the shroud was one of the big things that put me on the road to eventual conversion.

@tommore3263

2 жыл бұрын

God may very well be letting his scientific gifts and respect for evidence be a source of confidence for many. God is running the show not us divine psychology majors.

@OrthoLou

2 жыл бұрын

Cultural and tribal pride... They don't wanna sacrifice what they perceive as their Jewishness.

@johnmichaelson9173

2 жыл бұрын

Jesus was a Jew his family & his disciples were Jewish & he preached to Jews. It's a burial cloth & if someone wanted to fake it all the details are all in the Bible. Why would a person convert it's not like it's 100% proven to be Jesus or he rose from the dead. Just saying.

Always assumed it was a hoax but the more I've read the more it holds up. Haven't watched this yet but the botanical analysis of the pollen in it and the face cloth (Sudarium Christi) along with the physicists' attempt to explain the photographic negative image on a non-photosensitive material is remarkably convincing.

@sebastianofmilan

2 жыл бұрын

Colm, do you happen to have any articles about the Shroud that you'd recommend?

@colmwhateveryoulike3240

2 жыл бұрын

@@sebastianofmilan I do somewhere. I'll try find them now.

@sebastianofmilan

2 жыл бұрын

@@colmwhateveryoulike3240 👍🏻

@Peter-kl8jg

2 жыл бұрын

I never assumed it was a hoax, because if it was, then it would've been a bigger mystery.

@colmwhateveryoulike3240

2 жыл бұрын

@@Peter-kl8jg I held that assumption as an atheist before I encountered God so it was formed without really examining the evidence so I can see what you mean now I have seen the evidence. Or do you have a different angle?

Wonderful testimony... thank you so much.

Splendid presentation,, many thanks to you and Mr. Schwortz. Please convey my thanks to him next time you are in touch.

My faith tells me it's real

@tomrhodes1629

2 жыл бұрын

It doesn't take faith to see that "a picture is worth a thousand words." (But it takes willful ignorance NOT to see it.) The Shroud is the real deal. So is this: "The Book of God" at A Course in Truth. I'm the prophesied return of Elijah. But you shouldn't believe that, since you don't have good reason to. But it will take less than 10 minutes for you to read "The Book of God" online...and see if that doesn't "blow your mind." You are blessed.

This is a very well done video, on one of my favorite topics, from one of my favorite channels. What’s NOT to like? Thanks Brian, and keep up the good work!

@tomrhodes1629

2 жыл бұрын

One of my favorite topics, as well. And I have some "inside information." The Shroud is indeed the real deal. So is this: "The Book of God" at A Course in Truth. I'm the prophesied return of Elijah, but you shouldn't believe that since you don't have good reason to. But it will take less than 10 minutes for you to read "The Book of God" online...and see if that doesn't "blow your mind." You are blessed.

Excellent! Barrie Schwortz is the best voice in the discussion of the shroud.

Oh Boy! This conversation really moved me. True and wonderful 👍

I truly enjoyed this interview. While my believe in Jesus isn’t dependent on the authenticity of the shroud, I’m awed by what God gave us. Viva Christo Rey!

Thank you for this video 😍😍😍

Thank you for this video, you answered so many questions for me on this issue

I'm not sure what I believe about the shroud. The only belief that I have about it if you want to call it a belief is that we really do not have a good explanation for how the image was created. That's sad, for years I have listened to this man talk about the crowd and I am always amazed at how warm and generous and laid-back he is about the whole issue. He is such a pleasure to listen to and when he is gone shroud Skeptics and Believers life will have a great absence

Thank you for this. "I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world"

@tomrhodes1629

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed. People are waiting for the return, when He never left! And the Shroud is indeed the real deal. So is this: "The Book of God" at A Course in Truth. I'm the prophesied return of Elijah. But you shouldn't believe that, since you don't have good reason to. But it will take less than 10 minutes for you to read "The Book of God" online...and see if that doesn't "blow your mind." You are blessed.

In the New Testament there is an eye-witness account of what the linens that wrapped Jesus' body looked like. John 20:6-7 tells us what Simon Peter saw when he entered the tomb. It wasn't the Shroud of Turin. John Calvin in his book debunking most Catholic relics (and the lucrative trade in them) Treatise on Relics articulates the issue succinctly. As an object of veneration and adoration , however, the Shroud of Turin is a wonderful relic to millions of believers. But the Catholic Church today makes no claim the impression on the Shroud is that of Jesus. Interesting interview!

A phenomenal Interview with great questions.

The Greek word used in the New Testament to describe the linen clothes left behind after Jesus' resurrection is OTHONE which is translated into English as a sheet or sail. The Shroud is a one piece linen sheet.

When you go to the Wikipedia page for the shroud they _really_ want you to think it is a medieval artwork/forgery. I wish Barrie's information was more widely known. I think his assessment of why so many people seemingly want it to be fake is on point.

@jotunman627

2 жыл бұрын

Atheist ask for evidence, but they can't handle the truth when they are faced with facts. They deny and ignore and go into a sensory lockdown and all logic seem to fade away

@tobyfiver4117

2 жыл бұрын

Wikipedia ALWAYS pushes the now slant/disinformation

@gregorheinrich

2 жыл бұрын

You could try to edit the wikipedia entry - it is possible (unless censored)

Fascinating!

Thank you dear Brian for this, i was looking for a good video on the Shroud of Turin. Just wonderful. I’ll be sharing this video link in the description of my next Catechism Video. +God bless you+

Thank you Barrie for your work . You are so awesome.

The crazy thing is that Barry Schwartz hasn’t converted.

@voyello

2 жыл бұрын

Has he not ?

I am not an historian. But regarding the argument that it is "convenient" that the shroud would appear in a medieval Europe, where relics were appreciated has a ton of logic. Where else would it be safer to keep? It is just logical.

@richpetre2561

2 жыл бұрын

What do you think of the research teams emphasis that they analyzed attempts of 'refabrication' that were done by artists and other replicators?

@RafaelOtake

2 жыл бұрын

@@richpetre2561 There are several aspects to any attempt of recreating the image. 1. The physics and chemistry of the shades of the image. 2. The overall characteristics of the image. Mainly the depth map 3D information. 3. The limitations of the technology of the time. It is pretty obvious that number 3 makes it (almost) impossible to make a forge, even if sometimes ancient technology could be underrated, or the assumption that some lost technology was present at the time. I put a word in parenthesis just to leave a small door open for a tiny possibility yet to be discovered. I have not read all the papers published on the website, but I think I recall some reading I did some decades ago that the image is a darkening on one side of the fibers. It is not a thermal burn, like a fire, and this opened the possibility that it was light (or some electromagnetic wave) burn, fast so it only affected one side of the fiber and do not burn the other side, and intense enough to actually make a mark. If you leave a pile of white paper sheets at the sun, the first layers will darken, actually slow-burning, (not by combustion). I am not a chemist either, so I do not know how the long chains of long carbon molecules on a natural fiber decay into smaller carbon molecules, darker ones. I do not know if this difference of the molecular composition of one side of one fiber vs the other side can be performed. Tests to recreate this on natural fibers using different wavelengths could be interesting, probably with UV light or more energetic wavelengths. Point 2 is a matter for the setup, for the characteristics of the interrelation of the shroud and the image generating body. At first glance could be "easy" to measure distances of a face or a body to a flat surface, for example, making a cast of a body and slicing it. But two more factors make things worst. a. The idea that the shroud by gravity takes a different shape on top of the body than a flat surface. I am totally ignorant if the depth information on the two sides of the shroud is different in this regard, making the backside have a less complex deformation than the upper one. b. If the depth information is radiated or it could be potentially made from parallel rays, let's say vertical ones only. Of course, the complexity of these characteristics is even for computer calculated analysis quite a challenge. ----- I do believe that this image is not man-made, especially for the constraints on point 3. But as the shroud is still a physical object, I think there is a chance to replicate (with some modern technology) a similar image. I am Catholic, so I know that (c) we are not "obligated" to think that the shroud is the real shroud because it makes no difference in our beliefs, but (d) it is a very, very nice gift we were given, it is like a selfie of Jesus; and even if we could someday replicate the image, in both, micro and macro characteristics, it does not remove the value of the original selfie, It only make us appreciate it more.

@richpetre2561

2 жыл бұрын

@@RafaelOtake I like your idea on point 2, that an emission of radiated particles leaving a source in waves, that are shown to be 'moving' as they are transmitted is a rather unique problem to imagine. A molded form, holding a radioactive burst, then 'disappearing' in the 'falling' effect of the cloth itself is not only challenging and currently unable to replicate- It's Wonderful!

Great video! Very informative! Thank you! You should have more videos like this. God Bless both of you! 🙏

I don’t know why anybody still even refers to the radio carbon dating back in the 80s. Raymond Rodgers of Los Alamos, an original member of the STURP team, has already done the research back in 2005 to show why the carbon dating was so off. Rogers had the original retention samples from the 80s carbon dating testing. He clearly showed in published research in 2005 that the samples taken from the shroud all contained a mixed batch of original linen and patched cotton from a much later patching. This was published in the legitimate scientific journal Thermochimica Acta back in 2005. So, of course, if you do dating on a sample that has original material mixed with material from a much later time period; you were going to get results that are somewhere in between the two time periods. Which is what happened in the carbon dating in the 80s. This has been well known since 2005 - so I don’t understand why anyone still refers to the 80s carbon dating process when they refer to the shroud.

What about the "Light " factor. Early photography used that big explosion of light to capture a picture. The amount of energy that must have been present to "raise the dead" renew a body , must have been extremely similar to that of a photo light exposure. I say it's a "photo" made by "light" or energy used to raise the dead, change a mortal body to a heavily body. That's the easiest way I can explain it. Could science prove this???

@patriciawatts9751

2 жыл бұрын

A "heavenly" body

of course this is a miracle!! it's the only cloth on the entire planet of its kind!! Jesus Christ arose from the dead for our sins to save us!!! This was an amazing and extraordinary interview of Barry Schwartz, he was so knowledgeable and a firm believer of the shroud, which in the beginning he was a skeptic, and in the end believed that God wanted him to do this research and job. Fascinating!! Listening to this was such a moving experience.

I would simply like to extend and Thank you to Mr. Schwartz!! Nice job with your interview!!!

Dear Brian, Very enlightening interview; on a few occasions I have interacted with Barry. I read a while back in a scientific journal that there can be a large margin of error in Carbon-14 dating. The way scientist explain; the calculations are done linearly and therefore unable to take into account that the Carbon-14 in the atmosphere is NOT/ was NOT at a "constant level" over the span of thousands of years! I feel that if they ever need someone to portray Jesus in a movie or documentary, you would be the easy choice! You beard, hair style and wholesome good looks is a natural!! Stay Safe and STAY BLESSED Robert from daytradingwiththelight

Brian looks a little like the image of the man on the shroud. Brian, have you ever auditioned for the part in a play or movie?

Don't remember correctly but Maria Valtorta or Luisa Picarreta, mentions this in her writings, Jesus explains how the image was created, and I think it was similar to the theory of the doctor he mentioned, something about a quimical reaction. Loved this video thank you for this. God bless 🙏

@ronaldmachado757

2 жыл бұрын

It's not a quaint quimical question but something like a light projection which contains so much info that it boggles the mind... A Cartographer who deals with Mercator and other light projections will understand SOMEWHAT.

@LAoMARAo

2 жыл бұрын

@@ronaldmachado757 It is in the writtings of Maria Valtorta :The poem of the Man God", Jesus mentions His kidneys and uremia. I remembered about it while looking at the video. I couldn't understand it even when I listened to it (I have the audio book in Spanish of her writings) but I knew what it was talking about. I don't really need this as proof I believe in Jesus, but I find it interesting all the things He does for us to find Him and turn back to him.

@ronaldmachado757

2 жыл бұрын

@@LAoMARAo the stress chemicals and bilirubin leaking out from the kidney into the blood account for the blood retaining it's redness and not turning blackish over the centuries...acc medical experts ...so Maria Valtorta is on track

@tomrhodes1629

2 жыл бұрын

Those who appreciate (are grateful) will appreciate (increase; get more). That's the meaning of the parable of the talents. And here is more: The Shroud is indeed the real deal. So is this: "The Book of God" at A Course in Truth. I'm the prophesied return of Elijah. You shouldn't believe that, since you don't have good reason to. But it will take less than 10 minutes for you to read "The Book of God" online...and see if that doesn't "blow your mind." You are blessed.

I so respect Mr. Schworz and i am so grateful that’s he was on this important team. It shows how God can use everybody, even a sceptic jewish man. I am glad he got closer😊

Oh sick an hour plus interview Pleasant surprise thanks man