The Shadow Rising - WoT Read Along, Book 4 (first time reader)
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Analysis and discussion of The Shadow Rising, book four of The Wheel of Time, by Robert Jordan.
Chapters
0:00 Introduction
1:08 Summary
5:14 The Point: Teamwork and Leadership
24:31 I f**king called it with Mat being Odin
25:41 Lord Luc and Isam
39:51 Rhuidean
42:26 Past Ages
46:36 Portrayal of Women
1:04:11 The Ending
1:06:09 Tel'aran'rhiod
1:06:58 Rand and Tam
1:07:47 Andor and the Two Rivers
1:09:17 Egeanin
1:09:58 Bela!
1:10:12 Mythical Sources
1:13:10 The Forsaken
1:15:37 Outro
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The best part of RJs portrayal of Elayne being the entitled heiress she is, is with the veils in Tanchico . She keeps getting it in her mouth and wonders how others don’t , the implication being that her nose is so in the air that the veil will always fall in. 🤣
@thelukepillar
Жыл бұрын
Haha, I didn't think of that! That's perfect.
The trip through the Terangrial in Ruidean is the impetus for Moraine changing
This guy just summarized Gawyns entire character for the entire series haha
Major kudos to you for catching all of the interconnections between Rand, Lan, and their families. Not many catch this on the first read. There are a *lot* of names and it's really easy to miss these little details.
@thelukepillar
11 ай бұрын
Digging into those details was a lot of fun. That's really what I love most about WoT, there's so much depth that it's hard to hit the bottom. As much time as I spent thinking about the books, I'm sure I stilled missed a bunch of stuff - I'll have to do a reread sometime.
Your quotes gave me goosebumps. Well done and thank you for reminding me how amazing these books are. As another aspiring writer, I always go back to listen to other readers speculate. You’re quite astute on picking up clues throughout the books.
Thank you for the Chopin.
"Lord Luke." 🤣🤣🤣
Brilliant videos brother Luke! I shouted you out in TwitterOfTime (though I’m not really on Twitter per-say) in hopes you’ll get more views. You are very deserving. Well done mate!
@thelukepillar
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@calebtatro6512
Жыл бұрын
@@thelukepillar You’re welcome. BTW, you’d love Origins of The Wheel of Time by Michael Livingston. Give it a read, or a listen👍🏻
@thelukepillar
Жыл бұрын
@@calebtatro6512 i read origins right after finishing the series - it's awesome!
Thank you for the video. It's awesome and lights a few small details, which I missed while reading. Especially thanks for the pointing out that the fact that women are annoying here is an intended topic and reflect sex inequality from another perspective. I'm always upset when people say that Jordan just wrote women not well because I think that he did it quite good and managed to show privilege problems. So it was nice to see a similar point of view. And I would like to add to said by you that as part of women privileges in this world is also a very common thought that men are less smart/wise and trusted in their decisions than women. Thus, the big part of women arrogance come from that. Women in that world often straggles to accept the thought that a man can provide a good decision if his quality wasn't very strong proven, and it's about all shown societies.
Come Notorious Lightning!
Gawyn- the man you wish you could send to the corner to think about what he’s done!🙄
Despite what many people try to claim, Robert Jordan's portrayal of female characters in Wheel of Time is actually brilliant and incredibly insightful into female nature. He very accurately depicts what it would look like if women achieved a level of social status/power and physical power on par with or even above that of men. If you want to see a literal example of this in the real world just look up examples of female only enterprises. There are not many (for good reason) but the few that have existed provide a glimpse of how accurately Robert Jordan envisioned a world where women had that kind of power and organized control. One example is a woman who started a company and only hired women. Usually cant post links so just search for this article: "Catfights over handbags and tears in the toilets. When this producer launched a women-only TV company she thought she'd kissed goodbye to conflict" Its actually SHOCKING how perfectly this article could actually be describing the White Tower and the Aes Sedai in place of this all female run company.
I still cant understand all this talk about Nynaeve/Elayne/Egwene being unlikable. These are characters with deep frustrations. One of them always got their way before (being the Healer) and is now considered a nobody with a block, a wilder. One of them was a sheltered princess who is now having to deal with stuff way above her paygrade and experience. One of them is being constantly humbled over and over again and does things to learn whatever she can in the process, and still be pragmatic - thats Egwene. Sorry, but I'm on the eight or ninth reread, and I still enjoy their bickering, their frustrations, and these chapters are so much more complex than any of the "oh no, I want to run away from responsibility" of Mat's, for example.
Main character ages as of book 4 Rand 21 Mat 21 Perrin 21 Nynaeve 25 Egwene 18 Elayne 18 Aviendha 19 Min 24 Faile 18 Moiraine 43 Lan 45 Loial 91 Thom 61 Galad 29 Gawyn 20 Siuan 42 Morgase 42
@fusionev0
11 ай бұрын
Man I though thom was in early 50s at the start... based on everything he can physically do...
Try Kai-Ree-inn 😂
@thelukepillar
11 ай бұрын
I get there eventually. 😅
A man can only use the male figure Saangreal, the other one is for a woman
@thelukepillar
2 жыл бұрын
Rand still has access to two sa'angreal in the form of the male figure and Callandor though, right? Though, I'm not actually sure whether Callandor is a "normal" sa'angreal or something a little bit different.
I feel like you're pushing the mythological connections a bit to far, yes Jordan took all these inspirations but he's not actually locked down on them, most of these characters are a bit of a blend between various mythological/ historical figures.
@thelukepillar
2 жыл бұрын
Oh, yeah, even for a very direct inspiration - like King Arthur - Jordan has changed the myth so much that it's not even realized in the same individual anymore. Similarly, in the first video, I called out how, although the Myrddraal *seem* like they're just Nazgul, Jordan actually changed them so much that they're really only superficially similar while being fundamentally different. I have a lot of fun looking for these connections, but part of what makes it so much fun is that Jordan doesn't just copy/paste things into his world: he really blends them in and changes them to fit his needs.
13:42 hard disagree. this is a white-first-world perspective with cultures where hierarchy is flatter and education levels are similar for most. try being too relatable in certain countries and it leads to your position being undermined. there are places where when you are "above" someone else, you need to come off as superior. this advise Elayne gave rand resonated with me much more one a re-read i had done after spending years in lower-middle management.
@thelukepillar
2 жыл бұрын
You could be right - I've been going back and forth on this in my head as I continue to read the books. I'm definitely coming at this as a person with a lot of experience with leadership in software engineering in the US, which might not really apply to most of the characters in WoT. I still think that, for example, Moiraine should have been more transparent with the boys in the first book, but Elayne's advice to Rand might have been perfect.
@anonymouslyopinionated656
2 жыл бұрын
@@thelukepillar Moiraine definitely should have been, but precisely because she should Not have been a "Leader" beyond a point, more a mentor/guide.. which she figures out way later.