The Same, But Different: 2022 Subaru BRZ

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We recently drove the all-new Toyota GR 86 and while the 86 and this 2022 Subaru BRZ share many similarities, they do indeed have some fundamental differences. What are those about? Let’s go for a drive!
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  • @VitoC.
    @VitoC.2 жыл бұрын

    Loved the review... Been waiting for this. Glad you referenced the GR and gave an opinion on both!

  • @BrianMakse

    @BrianMakse

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks, Vito! That’s exactly what I wanted to accomplish here.

  • @FSX239
    @FSX2392 жыл бұрын

    We all have high hopes for this one. Autocross or a weekend track toy. It looks well prepared!

  • @BrianMakse

    @BrianMakse

    2 жыл бұрын

    It works for a lot of modern circuits. Throw on another set of brake pads and start running laps.

  • @aroundomaha
    @aroundomaha2 жыл бұрын

    I’ve been autocrossing my 2022 BRZ and at the limit with 200 UTQG tires the rear was looser than I experienced at 80% level driving. Added a 19mm adjustable front sway bar to keep the front flatter. With OEM camber bolts I think the initial understeer pretty much disappears.

  • @BrianMakse

    @BrianMakse

    2 жыл бұрын

    Good stuff!

  • @sunnyvalentino
    @sunnyvalentino2 жыл бұрын

    Little known observation - the Twins have a great backseat for toddlers and kids. It's better than Mustang and BMW 2 and 4 series (way better than Camaro) and most coupes. The reason is weird unless you try it as a dad - the rear seat is near the door opening (not buried deep behind), so it's super easy to bend and let your kid in and out (vs bend and then lean deeply into the back of the car). The front seat also moves far forward compared to those cars and uses a simple lever (vs painfully slow motors). 😆 The 2 series has more glass/window for your kid though, more airy.

  • @BrianMakse

    @BrianMakse

    2 жыл бұрын

    Kids fit back there?!?!? That's the perfect use case. The 2 has WAY more room. I can actually sit behind myself in that car. Unpossible with the BRZ!

  • @sunnyvalentino

    @sunnyvalentino

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@BrianMakse you are absolutely right. The 2 series has more room, including seat depth. Headroom in the 2 series, Mustang and Camaro don't work for me at 5 10. I hit the glass. For my bad back I found it waaay easier to get my 4 yr old son in and out of the GR I rented vs my Mustang.

  • @pkennethv
    @pkennethv2 жыл бұрын

    Hi Brian! I've been loving your videos because you point out a lot nuances that most other more "casual" / non performance driver reviewers don't (or perhaps can't perceive). I do want to point out a small but potentially important detail though: these cars (both 2022 BRZ & GR86) are offered with the "Pilot Sport 4" tires, which are a different product to the "Pilot Sport 4S" tire :)

  • @BrianMakse

    @BrianMakse

    2 жыл бұрын

    Slightly different. Mistakes happen.

  • @wardellward
    @wardellward2 жыл бұрын

    They did a good job on the brz

  • @BrianMakse

    @BrianMakse

    2 жыл бұрын

    Sure did. I miss it already!

  • @ak2112
    @ak21122 жыл бұрын

    Really appreciate hearing the comparisons to the 86. I bought the BRZ back in March because I read it was a little more compliant and because Subaru could order me one and sell it to me without markup. Got the 17 inch Primacys and it rides really well. Couldn't be happier.

  • @BrianMakse

    @BrianMakse

    2 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant! Love it. Different strokes for different folks. Enjoy!

  • @1anre

    @1anre

    Жыл бұрын

    What trim did you get, how much was it, & did you get it in manual?

  • @rdiamond655
    @rdiamond6552 жыл бұрын

    I liked how you talked about the subtle differences.

  • @BrianMakse

    @BrianMakse

    2 жыл бұрын

    Glad you enjoyed. That was the point of the episode.

  • @psewgobind
    @psewgobind2 жыл бұрын

    I suspect the softer setup at rear maybe better for winter driving. If you can't get up snow filled driveway, static would matter once you drop-in some bags of salt in the trunk. 😛

  • @BrianMakse

    @BrianMakse

    2 жыл бұрын

    Junk in the trunk!

  • @1anre
    @1anre Жыл бұрын

    This was cool. Didn't know they were just $34K CAD in Canada. Just for the unique Subaru badge and that tweaked suspension, i would pick this over the GR 86. My next conundrum would be picking either rhe A91-GR Supra or the Nissan Z, as they appear to be in the same power class and probably price bracket. Can you do a comparion betweem the two?

  • @BrianMakse

    @BrianMakse

    Жыл бұрын

    The 86 is better balanced, this one likes to push. If you'll never drive it near its limits, this is just fine. I don't do comparisons as a matter of course and the Z isn't on my radar.

  • @alexandram9477
    @alexandram94772 жыл бұрын

    thx for going over the differences, I didn't know the BRZ had stiffer bushings in rear. There's not much information online about specific design/tuning intentions between the 2. The more 'tail happy' 86 has been well covered but what are the intentions of engineers behind Subaru's choices in terms of how it drives on the track? If the BRZ is more neutral/stable would that allow faster lap times?

  • @BrianMakse

    @BrianMakse

    2 жыл бұрын

    I couldn't glean any engineering detail from Subaru, so I can't comment on their direction. With lap times, the real answer is: it depends. I think the difference would be negligible at most circuits with the GR 86 showing a slight edge.

  • @SebastianThierjung
    @SebastianThierjung2 жыл бұрын

    looks great. really just wish it had another 30-70hp especially with the 0.4L increase in displacement

  • @BrianMakse

    @BrianMakse

    2 жыл бұрын

    It sounds like it has a good chunk more power than stated. The folks who've dyno'd them are showing much more power.

  • @SebastianThierjung

    @SebastianThierjung

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@BrianMakse 250-300 would be amazing for it. the platform can definitely handle it

  • @ak2112

    @ak2112

    2 жыл бұрын

    They're making 210-215 to the wheels which would come out to around 240 crank. 100 hp/liter is legit, especially in a car this cheap.

  • @oldpanucho6401
    @oldpanucho64012 жыл бұрын

    Good color choice, I ordered mine in black !

  • @BrianMakse

    @BrianMakse

    2 жыл бұрын

    Excellent choice!

  • @1anre

    @1anre

    Жыл бұрын

    What's the experience been like since you got it, what trim did you get, what are the things you've loved and things you can't just shake off that don't do it for you with your BRZ?

  • @Aurablade77
    @Aurablade772 жыл бұрын

    Hey Brian! GR86/BRZ or ND2 Miata for daily driving fun (yes the Miata is less practical)? I was torn between all these cars and the car market mess made everything hard. I landed on getting the Veloster N. BUT I still want a Miata lol

  • @BrianMakse

    @BrianMakse

    2 жыл бұрын

    Well done! Great car! Get a Miata too!

  • @Andrew-zs5tc
    @Andrew-zs5tc Жыл бұрын

    Great review. I have owned my BRZ for 600 miles so far and agree with most of what you say, especially where you have a different opinion from other reviewers. Most other reviewers say how easy it is to get the rear end loose. You say you have excellent traction. I have never found anything but excellent traction. Most other reviewers complain about visibility. I find the visibility excellent compared to other modern vehicles especially modern sports cars like the Supra, Camaro, Z and so on. The visibility is better in the BRZ than in my Mazda3. Your comment about excellent fuel consumption is where I do not agree. Twenty five miles per gallon requiring premium is not excellent in my opinion. 25 MPG with premium is expensive compared to other small cars with similar size and power. Add the premium for premium and fuel is expensive.

  • @BrianMakse

    @BrianMakse

    Жыл бұрын

    I’m an atypical reviewer given my non-trivial racing background. Subaru sets up the rear suspension to be softer than 86, so it naturally has more traction, but it has a tendency to understeer at the limit. For me 20mpg is epic!

  • @Andrew-zs5tc

    @Andrew-zs5tc

    Жыл бұрын

    @@BrianMakse It is all about perspective. I am an accountant and therefore, it is all about miles per dollar.

  • @EchoSigma6
    @EchoSigma62 жыл бұрын

    I’m having the combination of kids in college and a perceived mid life crisis. This BRZ or the 86 maybe the economical solution. It reminds me of the JDM type cars I grew up with but these modern production vehicles are so much better. I hope toyoburu sells as much of these cars as they can. I just need a fun slow car I can drive fast with miles of smiles as I drop off my kids at college, one at a time.

  • @BrianMakse

    @BrianMakse

    2 жыл бұрын

    This is an excellent idea.

  • @1anre

    @1anre

    Жыл бұрын

    I really love that last line; "I just need a fun slow car I can drive fast with miles of smiles.." I really hope you pulled the trigger on it and copped that fun machine you wanted to bring some joy into your life?

  • @danbusey
    @danbusey2 жыл бұрын

    With a fairly level playing field parts and service pricing could also be deciding factors. I wouldn't be surprised if the Subaru variant would be a bit cheaper to own.

  • @BrianMakse

    @BrianMakse

    2 жыл бұрын

    Measured in pennies over five years, perhaps.

  • @daniellocke9534
    @daniellocke95342 жыл бұрын

    little late aren't you!

  • @BrianMakse

    @BrianMakse

    2 жыл бұрын

    Always. So?

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